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Speaker 1: Ben Higgins and Ashley I bring you infamous.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes roses are red flags.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, everybody. It's Tristas Sutter and of course I

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Speaker 1: am just half half to a whole of the Almost

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Speaker 1: Famous OG podcast. So I'll be talking to Casey Call today.

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Speaker 1: You guys, if you watched Ali Fedotowski season or Ali

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Speaker 1: Manto now, she dated Casey and he is known for

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Speaker 1: a couple things that we will definitely get into on

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Speaker 1: the show. He's sang a very unique song, he got

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Speaker 1: a tattoo. He was dropped off on a glacier, or

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Speaker 1: he not dropped off, he was basically said goodbye to

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Speaker 1: you on a glacier while Ali and this other guy

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Speaker 1: flew away in a helicopter. So I'm sure if you

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Speaker 1: guys watched it, these things are bringing back memories as

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Speaker 1: I speak. Anyway, I am really excited to talk to

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Speaker 1: Casey and hear all about how life is for him

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Speaker 1: now and want to welcome him to the show.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you so much. It's so good to

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Speaker 2: see you. Last time I saw you as in Vegas Homegirl,

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Speaker 2: long long, long time ago.

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Speaker 1: I was literally going to say bachelor pad when I

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Speaker 1: when I read that you it reminded me because I

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Speaker 1: don't have a brain these days. I mean, we don't

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Speaker 1: look at this, Scott. Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 1: So yes, it brought back memories of when we were

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Speaker 1: in Vegas and I was watching you guys crawl on

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Speaker 1: a big, huge wall.

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Speaker 2: That was crazy, and I felt like, man, I could

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Speaker 2: have done so much better. But I think, you know,

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Speaker 2: under that pressure is like, Okay, we're in the final

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Speaker 2: three or whatever of the Bachelor Pad and you know,

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Speaker 2: we got all the tensions going, and You're like, okay,

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Speaker 2: I got to perform. And then Staglano goes and busts

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Speaker 2: out the best coolest move and I'm like, why did

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Speaker 2: not think of that? Man? I'm like, dang it, God

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Speaker 2: he had me. You got my number on that one.

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Speaker 1: That's amazing. Oh my god, brings back memories.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 1: So it's good to see you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you. It's good to see you too.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on the podcast. I

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Speaker 1: want to kind of go back to the beginning, very

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Speaker 1: beginning for how we met Casey and how it all started.

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Speaker 1: So how did you hear about the show and how

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Speaker 1: did you end up auditioning or getting nominated?

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Speaker 2: So ironically it kind of goes back actually to you

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Speaker 2: and Ryan. Honest I watched You guys on the initial

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Speaker 2: show and it inspired me thinking like, oh, you know,

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Speaker 2: that's so cool to find love in such a you know,

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Speaker 2: grandiose away. Because I'm a cheese ball. I'm a hopeless romantic.

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Speaker 2: You know, I can't help that's never changed, by the way.

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Speaker 2: You know, my wife gets annoyed by it sometimes, but

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Speaker 2: I can't help myself, you know. But I remember watching

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Speaker 2: You Guys show and it worked for you guys, and

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking to myself, you know what that's that's really cute.

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Speaker 2: And then fast forward, you know, twenty five, I think

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Speaker 2: years old, twenty six. You know, I was single. My

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Speaker 2: sister obviously didn't think I can get a date in

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Speaker 2: real life, so she applied for me online. And so

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Speaker 2: she applied for me to become the Bachelor, and you know,

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Speaker 2: I got cross or phone call, and you know, I

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Speaker 2: did all the casting, all the testings, all the whatever,

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Speaker 2: and walk the whole you know, that whole dance, you

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Speaker 2: know what I mean. And sure enough, you know they

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Speaker 1: Yeah, crazy, right, how that all works? Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 1: I love I love that we inspired you. That makes

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Speaker 2: Yeah, little that I know. I mean it was. It's

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Speaker 2: a really interesting dynamic, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, yeah, oh yeah, I mean please. It's the most

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Speaker 1: untraditional way to meet someone. But it can work out.

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Speaker 2: Hey, it can. It can. It did for y'all, and

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Speaker 2: that's what I love to see. And you guys are

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Speaker 2: happy and that's all that matters.

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Speaker 1: And you know what, it can work out. Even though

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Speaker 1: it worked out directly for Ryan and I, I think

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Speaker 1: that it is part of everyone whoever's part of Bachelor Nation.

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Speaker 1: It's part of all of our paths, and those paths

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Speaker 1: lead to your future relationships whatever. Maybe right, so maybe

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Speaker 1: you wouldn't have met your wife had you not gone

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Speaker 1: on the Bachelorette. You know, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I can assure you this that had I not gone

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Speaker 2: on the Bachelor, I would not have learned the things

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Speaker 2: that I've learned today in a real marriage and a

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Speaker 1: Oh I am. I am so excited that you said that,

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Speaker 2: How deep you want to get to a little bit later?

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Speaker 2: Deep you want to get today? Honey?

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Speaker 1: I like gause you want.

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Speaker 2: It's all about if you can ask the right questions today.

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Speaker 1: Oh the pressure, pressure.

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Speaker 2: Just to entice the audience a little bit, little little,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I love it. Okay, we'll definitely get into that.

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Speaker 1: So when you walked into the mansion, and was it

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, we were in the original. You know, we're

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Speaker 2: for love. And I think that the season was so heightened,

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Speaker 2: part is that you know, that actually is how Bachelor

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Speaker 2: pad was created because we were so cool and so

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Speaker 2: so the production was like, oh dude, you are you

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Speaker 2: guys are creating drama in all you guys own little world.

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Speaker 2: We need we need to emphasize on that. And so

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Speaker 2: cue Bachelor Pad. You know, that's why all the reunions started.

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Speaker 2: We just started doing these things. You know, it's kind

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Speaker 2: of crazy how it all worked out, but you know.

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Speaker 1: It is crazy.

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Speaker 2: It's definitely a union.

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Speaker 1: It is crazy, yeah, very much. So okay, so when

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Speaker 1: Was there anything that surprised.

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Speaker 2: You at this point? You know, as I'm going through

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Speaker 2: then the production side comes. Okay, So like Trista, what

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking to myself, you know, I want to make

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Speaker 2: that I'm authentic, and then yeah, I'm a little cheeseball too.

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Speaker 2: But how do I do all that?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 2: And so my grandma always told me to, you know,

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Speaker 2: make godly choices, and she always said that at the

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Speaker 2: that you got and protect the heart of your future life, right,

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Speaker 2: and it was biblical. That's what I wanted to say

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Speaker 2: to kind of see, like, Okay, I have to I

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Speaker 2: You know, I got to figure out something. So that's

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Speaker 2: I guess that's what I came up with.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you were good at it. You caught

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Speaker 1: fans definitely remember getting our attention caught when you sang

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Speaker 1: and after the helicopter ride. And I would love to

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Speaker 1: know did you write that song after your helicopter date,

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Speaker 1: like in the spur of the moment or ahead of time?

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Speaker 1: Were you thinking about it ahead of time? And had

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Speaker 2: And the thing I'm like, y oh, this is so cool,

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Speaker 2: I could realize that I'm not her choice, right, I'm

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Speaker 2: convince her to be a pick, you know. I'm like, Okay, well,

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Speaker 2: Bachelor producers, as some you may know, you know, they are,

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Speaker 2: to kind of really drum up things to build drama

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Speaker 2: and build the facts. So, you know, we talked about

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Speaker 2: was singing a song. And I said, you want me

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Speaker 2: and so we literally I said screw it, you know,

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Speaker 2: I said, whatever. You know, she don't like me anyway,

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Speaker 2: so whatever. You know, I'm like, I might as well

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Speaker 2: make a fool of myself and at least get some exposure. So,

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Speaker 2: you know, I literally jumped up there. I made up

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Speaker 2: finally get to share all this stuff, right, this is

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Speaker 2: so much fun because this is real. This is the

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Speaker 2: I don't even remember what it was. And if had

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm laughing because you're you're shining so much

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Speaker 2: In those moments. You know, those were my authentic self.

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Speaker 1: I love your perspective for real. It is so it's

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Speaker 1: Okay. So you had mentioned that sometimes the like to

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Speaker 2: This wing, yes, facts I could drop. There's so much

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I got a loving da I've been waiting

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Speaker 2: Little not the shirt, not the song, not the song.

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Speaker 1: This song is not very much. The song was okay,

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Speaker 2: Song was cool. It was. I made that up. I'll

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Speaker 2: make up another one right now for you, right now, trusted,

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Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, done and done. We'll do it at the end.

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Speaker 1: That'll be the little icing on the top of the cake. Okay.

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Speaker 2: Let's let's pause out because the back to the first

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Speaker 2: this was more than just that. Every producer on that

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Speaker 2: Go tell that. I go. Go that guy's here for

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Speaker 2: the wrong reasons. Justin Rigo rate it are, he's here

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Speaker 2: I'm not crazy and I'm not stupid, you know what

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Speaker 2: that's fun too.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we will for sure go back to the tattoo.

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Speaker 1: But you just mentioned your girlfriend's ex. So you were

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Speaker 2: On there and so yeah, and they and they were

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Speaker 2: Sorry, this is a production room where they actually have

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Speaker 2: Oh girl, I know. That's why I love you, dude.

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Speaker 2: I was like, it's me interested, dude, this is this

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Speaker 2: No, I walked into the wrong room at the wrong

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm not supposed to be here. Okay, that's because

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Speaker 2: they had, like they had like their finals all planned

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Speaker 2: with all that for sure. Well, and the producer's job

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Speaker 1: Course, yeah, of course, yes. I mean I have always.

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Speaker 1: No, because I understand that this is their job. I

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Speaker 2: never get a tattoo for a girl. Everyone comes up

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00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:12,320
Speaker 2: to me, you know what. They asked me, Hey, I

434
00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,320
Speaker 2: want to see Ali's name. I never got Ali's name

435
00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:17,240
Speaker 2: on my arm. It's a garden and protect hard badge,

436
00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,199
Speaker 2: that's all. That's what this is. It's biblical for my grandma.

437
00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:22,120
Speaker 2: I even said that on the show. I said, I didn't.

438
00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:25,359
Speaker 2: I'm like, I got this tattoo to represent my belief

439
00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:28,000
Speaker 2: and guarding protect the future wife in my life. Do

440
00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:30,760
Speaker 2: I think that's you? No, they didn't play that part,

441
00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:33,320
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. They just wanted to play

442
00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:35,399
Speaker 2: what they wanted to play to make me look foolish,

443
00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:38,880
Speaker 2: and they did that, you know. And I think it's

444
00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:40,760
Speaker 2: been a long ten years to be able to be

445
00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:43,960
Speaker 2: open and honest about those moments that were taking advantage

446
00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:47,240
Speaker 2: of my cheesiness. And my hope is romanticness, right. I

447
00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:48,960
Speaker 2: love big. I have a huge heart. I do a

448
00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:50,959
Speaker 2: lot of things for my community, like I you know,

449
00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:53,520
Speaker 2: I'm a big in the wellness and health and that's

450
00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:55,960
Speaker 2: that's my whole goals is to help with autism with

451
00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,119
Speaker 2: my son, Like I have goals and bigger dreams, and

452
00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:01,560
Speaker 2: it took a long time to get to where I

453
00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:03,240
Speaker 2: am met today, to let go of a lot of

454
00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,080
Speaker 2: things that happened to me over the course of being

455
00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:08,240
Speaker 2: on TV, being on the Bachelorette, being on the Bachelor,

456
00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:11,280
Speaker 2: pat you know, having a relationship, being under scrutiny with Vienna,

457
00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:15,880
Speaker 2: my entire relationship being imploded online, you know, on TV.

458
00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:18,600
Speaker 2: You know, I've been through some things that people will

459
00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,679
Speaker 2: never understand, and I'll never forget the first episode that

460
00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,200
Speaker 2: I was embarrassed in front of my family when they

461
00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:27,640
Speaker 2: made it look like I was cutting myself. How terrible

462
00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:31,120
Speaker 2: is that? Who does that? And then when I called

463
00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:34,040
Speaker 2: the producer and I want to say his name so bad.

464
00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:36,359
Speaker 2: I called him and said, why would you do that

465
00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,879
Speaker 2: to me? Why would you make it look like I'm crazy?

466
00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,280
Speaker 2: And then I'm gonna kill myself. Do you know what kind

467
00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:44,840
Speaker 2: of message that sends to other people? You're literally affirming suicide.

468
00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,200
Speaker 2: Shame on you. He said, Oh, no, that's not what

469
00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:49,040
Speaker 2: it is, Casey, No, we would never do that. Do

470
00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,280
Speaker 2: you just trust me. It's all gonna be okay. You're

471
00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,560
Speaker 2: gonna really look good in this situation. You're gonna come

472
00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,800
Speaker 2: off looking like a crystal clear great person. That's what

473
00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:00,320
Speaker 2: they did to me. The tattoo was my negotiation because

474
00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:02,400
Speaker 2: I wanted to stay longer so I can get more exposure,

475
00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,640
Speaker 2: so I could eventually someday use this as a platform

476
00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,280
Speaker 2: for stuff like autism, so I can use it for

477
00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,679
Speaker 2: a good for a better, better, better being, you know,

478
00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,240
Speaker 2: for for a better world, you know, not for gas

479
00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,600
Speaker 2: line and manipulation and things like that, you know. And

480
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:17,880
Speaker 2: that's what I did. I literally told them, you want

481
00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,320
Speaker 2: me to get this tattoo. Cool, they took me to it.

482
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,000
Speaker 2: I'm not going to tell you all the other of

483
00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:23,919
Speaker 2: the other things that came into it, but yes, a

484
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,160
Speaker 2: part of that diego was me staying longer and being

485
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:27,840
Speaker 2: able to go to Iceland and be able to make

486
00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:29,919
Speaker 2: it that long. There's no way that Ali wanted me

487
00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:31,560
Speaker 2: to stay and I stayed. You know what I mean,

488
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,640
Speaker 2: She'll tell you there's no way. I mean. I came

489
00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,200
Speaker 2: off so cheesy, and because that was I was being

490
00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:39,239
Speaker 2: encouraged to say I want to guard and protect your

491
00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,520
Speaker 2: heart so much, I came off as unauthentic and that's

492
00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:44,320
Speaker 2: not who I am. And so Ali didn't get to

493
00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,200
Speaker 2: even see the real real version of me, which sucks too.

494
00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:53,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, But I feel like my global worldview

495
00:21:54,200 --> 00:22:00,880
Speaker 1: is that everything happens for a reason. And I assume,

496
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 1: and we'll get into this, that you're you have a

497
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 1: very happy life with your wife and your kids, and

498
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,200
Speaker 1: and you wouldn't want to change anything and do anything

499
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:11,440
Speaker 1: different because you know what I mean.

500
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:13,040
Speaker 2: It all goes back to what I said that being

501
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,439
Speaker 2: on this show taught me an education of how to

502
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,159
Speaker 2: be a good man, to be a good dad, to

503
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,399
Speaker 2: be a good husband, you know, and to and to

504
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:21,680
Speaker 2: and to lead my family, to lead like Jesus and

505
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:25,400
Speaker 2: guide my family to a good, happy marriage, a good

506
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 2: happy life, and to raise my son and to raise

507
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 2: my new beautiful daughter. You know. That's that's all that

508
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:32,080
Speaker 2: I care about in this world. And that's all that

509
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,760
Speaker 2: I've ever wanted, you know. And going through that experience,

510
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,720
Speaker 2: it taught me like there there is a lot of

511
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,879
Speaker 2: other craziness in this world. And and and no matter

512
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,640
Speaker 2: what happens, no matter what I go through, no matter

513
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 2: what I do, you have to be authentic. You don't

514
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 2: need to exaggerate, you don't need to play kate things,

515
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:51,280
Speaker 2: you don't need to be something you're not. You don't

516
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,600
Speaker 2: need to be somebody you're not. And I really tried

517
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 2: to be someone that I wasn't going through that show,

518
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 2: and it transpired throughout Bachelor Pad, I even through dating Vienna.

519
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 2: You know, we had a great relationship when it was

520
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,359
Speaker 2: just us, but outside of that, it was just it

521
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 2: was just dirty. It was just exposed. Everything was you know,

522
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,200
Speaker 2: on highlights, you know, and that's not something that I'm

523
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 2: good with, you know. And the best thing that I

524
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 2: did was finally part ways and we separated and she

525
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:17,439
Speaker 2: got to go home and heal, and I got to

526
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,879
Speaker 2: go home and heal, you know, from the show, you know,

527
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,920
Speaker 2: from traumas of the being on TV and the production

528
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,439
Speaker 2: and the mind manipulation that happens on there. I mean,

529
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,200
Speaker 2: there's just so much, you know, you don't know what's

530
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:27,879
Speaker 2: real and what's not.

531
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 1: Sometimes, going back to the tattoo, I am so enjoying

532
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 1: talking to you because I feel like it's just seriously,

533
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:52,920
Speaker 1: I feel like so much of the show is, you know,

534
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 1: just what we're seeing and we're told certain things. And

535
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 1: I've always thought you can't put words in someone's mouth,

536
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 1: but obviously you can show, you know, you take things

537
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 1: out of context whatever, or not into the entire story. Yeah,

538
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 1: and it seems like the entire story wasn't shown for

539
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 1: you because the garden protect your Heart was something that

540
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 1: your grandma taught you from a very it seems like

541
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 1: from a very young age. It's not something that you

542
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:21,439
Speaker 1: just thought, I'm gonna say this for Ali just to

543
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 1: you know. It's not out of the blue, and you've

544
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 1: got a tattoo because it was special to you. Do

545
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,120
Speaker 1: you just chose to do it in that moment? Can

546
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,399
Speaker 1: you take me to the moment of like when the

547
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 1: tattooed conversation came up? And how because because in my

548
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 1: experience on the show, it's not like you can leave

549
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 1: and go like have little mini adventures, you know.

550
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah right.

551
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 1: I know, right, So tell me about that.

552
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 2: All right. So yeah, so you know, at this point

553
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 2: of the show, I blow my date right with with Ali.

554
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 2: You know, I sing tour right. So the story goes

555
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 2: and so now, yeah, producer, who is pretty pretty much

556
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 2: as signed to me at this point, you know, starts

557
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,199
Speaker 2: telling me you need to make a big splash, man,

558
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 2: we got to do something special. I'm looking at him like,

559
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 2: I know what you're doing. Just tell me what you

560
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 2: think I should do like that. That's how the conversation

561
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,120
Speaker 2: went after a couple of shots of you know, whiskey

562
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:20,360
Speaker 2: as usual. You know what I mean. There's no im

563
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,719
Speaker 2: without a drink, right, I mean, there's no such thing

564
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 2: as an im without a drink. So I mean we

565
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 2: made that it was for me.

566
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 1: There was for me, but that you were.

567
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 2: Smarter than I was. Yeah, I was. I was the nerd,

568
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 2: you know, that was trying to be the cool guy,

569
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 2: you know to the producers, you know, and they placated that,

570
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, they knew what to do

571
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 2: with that. So, you know, he tells me, what if

572
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 2: you got a tattoo. Mind, you have no tattoos at

573
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,440
Speaker 2: this point, zero tattoos. Frowned upon by my grandma, frowned

574
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 2: upon by my mom, no tattoos. I'm never getting a

575
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 2: tattooed type of guy. So I'm sending them thinking to myself,

576
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 2: like I'm going to get a tattoo. I would never

577
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 2: get a tattoo. Okay, well, listen, here's the deal. I

578
00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,880
Speaker 2: believe that I'm going to guard and protect the heart

579
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:05,640
Speaker 2: of my future wife, and it's not Ali, but someone

580
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 2: else out there. Might be watching this and they might

581
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,120
Speaker 2: think my cheesiness is cute, and that woman will appreciate

582
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 2: my tattoo. And that's why I got that tattoo. So

583
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 2: I said, Okay, I'm going to get the tattoo, but

584
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 2: under a couple of conditions. Number one, you're gonna go out.

585
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 2: You're gonna I don't, I can't. I don't want to

586
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 2: say most other things. But they took me to a

587
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 2: really nice steak dinner. They treated me to all kinds

588
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 2: of nice and great things. They took me to multiple

589
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 2: places in Manhattan, New York. You know what I mean. Like,

590
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 2: I'm out there, I'm doing the dang things.

591
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 1: This is just you, not any of the others.

592
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 2: Me and my producer. Okay, this is me and my producer.

593
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: Did was anyone else doing? Having little dates? Not dates obviously,

594
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 1: but okay, just get all stuck in the room.

595
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 2: I was stuck in the hotel and I'm out doing this,

596
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 2: you know. And I say, I and I and I

597
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 2: do not get voted off. And I said, I specifically

598
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 2: use that as a bargaining chip. I said, you can.

599
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 2: You can tell her however she wants to do it.

600
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 2: You can make it dramatic, but I do not get

601
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 2: voted off tonight. Yeah deal, whoa I mean because it

602
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 2: means everything to me and my wife. Now my wife's

603
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,120
Speaker 2: in my anniversary date is on my tattoo.

604
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: Oh I love that you added that.

605
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 2: Ah.

606
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 1: I was just going to ask you, how do you feel?

607
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: Because it's not like it's on your back, it's on

608
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: your wrist, so you see it all the time. How

609
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: do you You've mentioned PTSD, but when you look at

610
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 1: it now you've been able to change it into something

611
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:33,360
Speaker 1: you know, super positive.

612
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 2: Again, this memory will always be of me and mine

613
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 2: and my grandma and my mom and my wife and

614
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 2: all the things that mean special and close and dear

615
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 2: to my heart. That's all that this is. This will

616
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 2: always be a remembrance of that. There's no name, there's

617
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 2: no anything. It's always been this. It's never changed. Okay again,

618
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 2: it's always been a learning experience of saying, if I'm

619
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 2: going to do this, I'm going to enjoy it and

620
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 2: I'm going to try and take the best positive experience

621
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 2: from this that I can. And so that's what was

622
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,360
Speaker 2: presented to me, and I said, Okay, it's rock and roll.

623
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 2: I think I can put a tattoo on for my

624
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 2: future wife someday, and you know, and then we had

625
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 2: and then I had. Then we had to negotiate how

626
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 2: I was going to present it to Ali right and

627
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 2: how I was going to show her that the tattoo,

628
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And I said, I didn't

629
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 2: want to do it. I actually didn't even want to

630
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 2: talk about it. I never brought it up. I tried

631
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:19,919
Speaker 2: to hide it until we got to the glacier. And

632
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 2: once we got to that glacier, yeah, she goes, so

633
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 2: I heard you got a tattoo. I was like, oh,

634
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 2: of course, of course, and they I wasn't even going

635
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 2: to show her. So then I finally said okay. So

636
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,679
Speaker 2: then I rolled my sleeve and I say, yeah, I go,

637
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 2: I did. I got a tattoo. And you know, I

638
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:35,919
Speaker 2: did it because I want to guard and protect the

639
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 2: heart of my future wife, whoever that may be, someday.

640
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 2: And that was our conversation. And I knew at that

641
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 2: point that I was going to get left on that

642
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 2: glacier so dramatically, and so I just I just I

643
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 2: just went with it. And I stood there in the

644
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 2: middle of that iceberg, knowing that I was going to

645
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 2: look so silly. I was looking at the helicopter and

646
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 2: all I could think about was I gotta seriously ride

647
00:28:59,000 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 2: the snowmobile back.

648
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: Oh my god, That's what I was gonna ask you too.

649
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: How do you get out of there? And how long

650
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: were you standing there, like just just by yourself.

651
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 2: You know as well as I do? No less than

652
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,239
Speaker 2: five seconds? You know what I mean? It was It

653
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 2: was for dramatic effect. I'm musting. They're watching the helicopter

654
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 2: go off, and I'm just pissed because I'm not taking

655
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 2: the helicopter back. That's that's all I could think about,

656
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 2: because I get car sickness. Right I'm thinking, I gotta

657
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 2: go through all these mountains and glaciers on a freaking

658
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 2: snowmobile right now, I'm gonna get sick and then they're

659
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 2: gonna put that on camera and they're gonna do something

660
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 2: with that too, you know.

661
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: What. The Actually I would feel the opposite. I would

662
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: feel like the helicopter would give me motion sickness, not

663
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:41,239
Speaker 1: the snowmobile.

664
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 2: Convenience and time, Get me the heck out of get

665
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 2: me back to the hotel. And by the way, by

666
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 2: the way, one other one in my handlers that night,

667
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 2: so we were in Iceland, and I mean, I'm no,

668
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 2: I'm going home. The next day we go out, we

669
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 2: go out to the club. I mean, Iceland is full

670
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 2: of beautiful people. By word, I got all these girls

671
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 2: coming up to me. I mean it is hilarious because

672
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 2: I'm not even supposed to be in public and I'm

673
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 2: literally in Iceland partying with Iceland just people. Like it

674
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 2: was probably the most by myself with my handler and

675
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 2: we're just drinking out there. This is the night I get,

676
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 2: I get left in Iceland. I'm just out partying, like

677
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 2: this was my last night. Like, no sadness, you know,

678
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 2: it wasn't like a heartbreak and didn't get me becazos.

679
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 2: I already knew what was going to happen, you know

680
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 2: what I mean. So it wasn't like YA was sad

681
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 2: or anything. Yeah I was. I was sad that the

682
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 2: opportunity passed me by to actually really have a good,

683
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 2: valid conversation with Ali, because if she got to meet

684
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 2: the real me, I think that she would have been

685
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 2: things could have been different on that show. But again,

686
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 2: like you said, everything happens for a reason, and I like,

687
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 2: I love that all the things I learned from that

688
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 2: because I know how to be a good husband.

689
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 1: Now.

690
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 2: You know, it might have taken me a long time,

691
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, But at this point of

692
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 2: my life, I know how to be a good dad,

693
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 2: I know how to be a good husband. I know'd

694
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 2: be a good business owner. I know how to be

695
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 2: a good person. And I think going through all those

696
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 2: things helped me understand through trauma of my own that

697
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 2: I don't have to be somebody that I'm not. I

698
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 2: don't have to be this big TV persona. You know

699
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 2: what the greatest part of my day is today that

700
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 2: when I walk outside, I don't get recognized as the

701
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 2: bachelor Kay anymore. In my own hometown. I get recognized

702
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 2: as the dad that's advocating for autism for his son.

703
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 2: That's what I get recognized for. And that means more

704
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 2: to me than I can even explain to you.

705
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: I can't even imagine. I yes, that that is amazing.

706
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: Have you talked to Allie or run into her since

707
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: the show?

708
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 2: So it's you know, I really wanted to have a

709
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 2: conversation with her after the whole thing is Me and

710
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 2: Roberto were tight. I talked to Roberto rout Lampton's my

711
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 2: boy Chris.

712
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: We just had Chris Lampton on, actually we did, we did.

713
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 2: I still reach out talked to him sometimes. He's a

714
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 2: great dad, great man. That's another really good guy. Again.

715
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 2: Our season had so many good dudes on that show,

716
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 2: like you know, like Frank from Craig Roberto, I mean,

717
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 2: just great people. You know. I still follow all these guys,

718
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 2: you know, love it. But that's but that was the

719
00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 2: cool part of being a part of the show is

720
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 2: the relations ships that I did build and people that

721
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 2: knew knew who I was deep to my core, you know,

722
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 2: and and accepted me for that because I wasn't always

723
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 2: you know, authentic, you know what I mean. I was

724
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 2: always trying to be something that I wasn't for some

725
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 2: unknown reason, you know. And I think, I think, I think,

726
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 2: if I'm being honest, it was a lot of the production.

727
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 2: You know, it really gave me the ego. They made me,

728
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 2: they pumped up my my ego, and they made me

729
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 2: feel like I was going to be bigger than what

730
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 2: I was, you know, and I really wasn't. I was

731
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 2: just a normal dude that was looking for love on

732
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 2: a TV show and didn't.

733
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: Last you know, yeah, right right, But you you didn't

734
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: answer the question did did you have you run into

735
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: Eli or.

736
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 2: With the guy. So when I was with Vienna, we

737
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 2: we actually did an appearance in San Diego and Kipton

738
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 2: and Tenley were there, and uh, you know, Kipton was

739
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 2: always my boy, and I always loved Tenley. Actually I

740
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 2: actually went on the show for Tenley I love. Ironically,

741
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 2: I went on the show thinking it was Tenley the

742
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 2: whole time. Really, I got Ali and ended up with Vienna.

743
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 2: That is that is literally the truth. That is crazy. Yeah,

744
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 2: so crazy.

745
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: So you saw her in San Diego.

746
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 2: We saw her in San Diego with Kipton and Tinley.

747
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 2: I said, what up? I wanted up? I wanted to

748
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 2: try and spark a conversation, but she wasn't having it. Again,

749
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 2: I don't know. I also feel like production can manipulate

750
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 2: certain things and making you even think that someone is

751
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 2: what they aren't either, you know what I mean. And

752
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 2: placating my emotions and my cheesiness to make me sing

753
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 2: a song and to make me do these things to

754
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 2: Ali obviously seems very unauthentic to her, So she probably

755
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 2: thought that I was just an unauthentic dude. So I

756
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 2: don't blame her for not talking to me, I really

757
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 2: just want to have a conversation to get some truth.

758
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 2: I wanted to understand, like, hey, so, like, what was

759
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 2: the reality of that for you? I was more curious

760
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 2: about her side of things, you know, because when we

761
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 2: were trying to have conversations, we didn't get to have

762
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 2: even five minutes alone. We were in a bar, when

763
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 2: we were waiting in the middle of freaking New York

764
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 2: dive bar where no one else is. She's got her producer,

765
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 2: She's sitting on the other side of the bar. I'm

766
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:08,919
Speaker 2: on the other side of the bar, and we can't

767
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 2: talk to each other because we're not supposed to save

768
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 2: it for the cameras. I'm like, this is like, oh,

769
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 2: I can't come on. Yeah, you know, and that's hard.

770
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 2: That's hard to build a relationship or even a friendship,

771
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 2: you know with that. So again I don't blame Ali.

772
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 2: She she wasn't really nice to me, But again, she

773
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 2: probably thinks a certain way about me, and I can't

774
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 2: blame her for that.

775
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Okay, So you went on Bachelor Pad. Did

776
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,839
Speaker 1: the producers ever talk to you about I'm assuming no,

777
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: considering what you've what you've told me today, But did

778
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: they ever talk to you about being a bachelor.

779
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 2: Of course, Oh of course that was that was a

780
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 2: dangling care Oh my god, what do you How do

781
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 2: you think they got me to I do some of

782
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 2: the things that I wanted to do.

783
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: I see, I see, And.

784
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 2: I'm sure that that's enticed to a lot of other

785
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 2: other people too. Oh you know this, we'll offer the

786
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 2: bachelor as a carrot and then we'll see what he's

787
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 2: going to do for it, or we're gonna see how

788
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 2: we're gonna react, or we're gonna see the ratings, you

789
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 2: know what I mean, which I would have blew the

790
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 2: ratings off the roof if I was a bachelor. Let's

791
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 2: just be honest, Just be honest. I'd be cheesy. I'd

792
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 2: have been super dramatic, you know what. I've been in

793
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 2: a super fun at that point in my life. But

794
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 2: you know, ironically, I I they did. But I was

795
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 2: already with Vienna at that point, because like I said,

796
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 2: we started like me and a couple of the boys,

797
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 2: like I had gea come out. Gee, I had friends.

798
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 2: I had people from the show. I had so many

799
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 2: friends that were so close to me, and we did

800
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 2: appearances and we did fun shows. We just traveled and

801
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 2: we started doing like reunions, and then the Bachelor Nation

802
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,280
Speaker 2: they saw that and they wanted more of that because

803
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 2: they saw a group of people that weren't selected but

804
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 2: are still trying to find love. You know, well, it's

805
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 2: just a bunch of hookups anyways at that point of

806
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 2: everyone's life, you know, me, it was just a bunch

807
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 2: of reunion hookups and it was fun. But that is

808
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 2: where I eventually met Vienna. And you know, I met

809
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 2: Vienna in New York, and you know, it was an

810
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 2: instant for me. You know, I really was drawn to

811
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 2: her because of her persona. Yeah, you know, she just

812
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 2: had this this strong confidence about her. But that night

813
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 2: she was broken and I definitely am a healer, fix

814
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:24,879
Speaker 2: your type person, and I saw that she was hurting

815
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 2: and I just wanted to help her. And so we

816
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 2: had like a conversation for like five hours at night,

817
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 2: you know, and then she invited me to come out

818
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 2: to LA the next weekend and we didn't spend another

819
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 2: day apart for a little bit until the show. Yeah,

820
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 2: and then the show is when everything just kind of

821
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 2: went crazy. You know that that that in itself was

822
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 2: a whole unique experience because I knew what to expect

823
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,760
Speaker 2: this time, so I prepared myself.

824
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 1: You had experience. How did it go crazy?

825
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 2: Number one, my producer told me verbatim, Jake will not

826
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 2: be on the show, and I said, I know that, Yeah,

827
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 2: I'm bachelor pad and because that's that was Vienna's ex right,

828
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 2: And I was still like very very you know, close

829
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 2: to the date of time and everything. So I didn't

830
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 2: really think too much of it at first. I didn't care.

831
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 2: I just didn't want the drama of it, you know,

832
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 2: And I don't I didn't like that. I knew what

833
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 2: they were going to do if they did bring him

834
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 2: on the show. Well, of course, day one, there comes

835
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:26,720
Speaker 2: Jake Pavelka, you know what I mean. And I've already

836
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,919
Speaker 2: heard things, right, They've already put things in my head

837
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 2: like he's angry to her, he's Maddie. They've shown me video,

838
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 2: They've made me hate Jake at this point, you know

839
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 2: what I mean. And and and I think Vienna actually

840
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 2: had experienced some certain things. I don't know. I don't

841
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 2: to talk for her, but it was insinuated to me

842
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 2: that there that he was just a bad guy. But

843
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 2: he wasn't. He wasn't. Again, This was all produced in

844
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 2: my head to create that drama the second I see him,

845
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 2: you know, to build up that animosity for me. And so,

846
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 2: you know, he comes on the show and I'm upset,

847
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 2: I'm angry. I'm like, okay, of course, and and our

848
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 2: confrontation are are hostile, which they didn't even need to

849
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 2: be because I'm not a hostile guy, you know, And

850
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 2: so they placated that. But then I but then I

851
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 2: instantly came back to reality and I realized what was

852
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 2: going on. And so then I said, Okay, I need

853
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 2: to be friends with all these people, because these people

854
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 2: are good people and they're not gonna they're not gonna

855
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 2: gaslight me, manipulate me. They're here to They're here to

856
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 2: play a game and win some money and win some

857
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 2: challenges and have some fun and maybe find love doing

858
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 2: that too. And I ended up becoming really really close

859
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 2: friends with all of those people, especially Chia. And that's

860
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 2: a whole different conversation. But you know, everyone on that show,

861
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 2: from Michelle money Uh to all the guys I mean,

862
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 2: Peter Stan, I mean, it's just crazy because I still

863
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 2: follow everyone from the Bachelor Pad and that was such

864
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 2: a close group regardless of the drama that happened on

865
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 2: that show. We were a close group. Bachelor Pad two

866
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 2: was a season to never forget. And I say that

867
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 2: because of the emotions of raw, real friendships that were

868
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 2: built on that show. And I say that because a

869
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 2: lot of the friendships were also manipulated and misconstrued and

870
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,879
Speaker 2: trying to create drama within the actual show to make

871
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,760
Speaker 2: it a dramatic show, you know what I mean. Like everyone,

872
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 2: it's funny because everyone came to me and told me, Hey,

873
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 2: production is really trying to get us to vote for you, Casey,

874
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 2: and I laughed. I'm like, I knew that this was

875
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:13,760
Speaker 2: going to happen. They want to get Jake and viennap

876
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 2: by themselves. They want they want to get Jake back,

877
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,399
Speaker 2: and that's going to create more of a storyline than

878
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 2: me being on the show for the entirety of the show.

879
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 2: And I saw the war they wanted me off see

880
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,240
Speaker 2: episode one, and I didn't let that happen. And thankfully,

881
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 2: because of the amazing people on that show that voted

882
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 2: for Jake and did not vote for me, you know,

883
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 2: kept me on that show. And I think that's the

884
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 2: real reason why I was able to stay on that show.

885
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 2: So the Bachelor Pad was an incredible experience with the

886
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 2: relationships that I built and the people that were on

887
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 2: there are very special people to me and they will.

888
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 2: I'll never forget that show. And yeah, that was real

889
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 2: because I was able to kind of be myself with

890
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 2: them and I didn't care about production because I felt

891
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,879
Speaker 2: like the Bachelor Pad cast, the people there, they had

892
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 2: my best interests, unlike the production.

893
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: Okay, I'd love to hear about life now. Uh, you

894
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: are happily married with two cutie pie kiddos. Yes, tell

895
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:18,879
Speaker 1: me about your family, life, your business, your nonprofit, all

896
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: all of the above.

897
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 2: Well, thank you, absolutely so. I'm married to my wife, Amanda.

898
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 2: She is incredible. She tolerates all the things, you know

899
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 2: what I mean. She puts up with my craziness and

900
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 2: and my passion, you know, because I'm a passionate guy,

901
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 2: and she she you know, she loves my cheesiness to

902
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 2: an extent I can only I can only pour it

903
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 2: on so much. But you know, she's been amazing to

904
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 2: me and an amazing partner in my business, and the

905
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 2: things that I see from her every day as a

906
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 2: mom just make me fall in love with her more

907
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 2: and more every single day. The way that she is

908
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 2: with my son, the way that she's with my daughter,

909
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 2: you know, it's very special, especially because my my son,

910
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 2: he's five year old and he has non verbal autism.

911
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,280
Speaker 2: So my wife and I, we actually own a wellness

912
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 2: facility UH in Clovis, California, where we do you know

913
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 2: one this treatments anything from you know them sell peptide therapy,

914
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 2: you know, IV therapy, vitamin therapy, very holistic approach. You know,

915
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,320
Speaker 2: we diagnostically test people with with DEXA scans and blood

916
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 2: work so we can understand the body. We want to

917
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 2: value your body as an entirety, right. We want to

918
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 2: see what is defficient and if you're lacking vitamins or

919
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 2: minerals or nutrients, and we want to replace that naturally, okay,

920
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 2: And we can do that with all kinds of different things,

921
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 2: variations of vitamins and nutrients, injections, ivs and different things

922
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 2: like that, regenerative therapy, stem cell things like that that

923
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 2: we want to optimize our health and body. And so

924
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 2: we took that same approach and we are taking that

925
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 2: same approach for my nonprofit for autism. It's called Echos

926
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 2: for Autism ECHOS for Autism is a facility that actually

927
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 2: tests and neurologically, bio biologically feedback, gets biofeedback on these

928
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 2: babies to understand what is going on with their body

929
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 2: and how we can help heal them and how we

930
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 2: can eliminate inflammation from the brain and body that has

931
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 2: been incurred by environmental factors and much other things that

932
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 2: I can get into on a whole different day, but

933
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 2: right now we are actually seeing in credible results with

934
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 2: our autistic babies, and it's unbelievable because you know, no

935
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 2: one is really treating it the way that we are

936
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,720
Speaker 2: are approaching it with testing and finding the biological approach

937
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 2: to understanding how we can how we can alleviate these

938
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 2: symptoms in the brain, and we are seeing incredible results.

939
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 2: One of my specialist everyone that's actually volunteering for my

940
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 2: nonprofit that actually all have kids with autism, one of

941
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 2: my specialists actually had a nonverbal child and that's now

942
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 2: speaking at seven years old. So we are onto some

943
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 2: groundbreaking and revolutionary things and I'm just very excited for

944
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 2: that because ACOS for Autism, I think is going to

945
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 2: revolutionize healthcare.

946
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,720
Speaker 1: That's amazing. Could you share the websites. Please.

947
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, So ACOS for Autism AKOS the lever the number

948
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 2: four Autism dot org. You can definitely donate on there

949
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 2: because it's all the all the proceeds go to the

950
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 2: treatments of our kids. I do not charge the families.

951
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 2: Everything that I do, I do complimentary because I know

952
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 2: how hard it is on these families. So all of

953
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 2: this is covered by us. And all the families that

954
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 2: I'm here get tested and treated for free. So pretty amazing.

955
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 2: There you can go to ACOS for Autism dot org.

956
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 2: We are looking for sponsors, donors, investors. We have so

957
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 2: much look forward to and to scale out. We are

958
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 2: so far ahead of the game. I will real quick say,

959
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 2: Akos it means cure.

960
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: I was wondering, thank you for saying that. I didn't

961
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: know where that came from.

962
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 2: So so you're my age, you're what thirty nine to

963
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 2: forty ish right, Trista Smarlo.

964
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: I love you.

965
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 2: I love you too. So since we looks and that's

966
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 2: that's that's we're always forever claiming. Do you remember the

967
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 2: movie The Cure? It was with Jared Jared Renfro and

968
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 2: another boy, and it's about a boy that's dying from cancer. Okay,

969
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 2: and he's he's being made fun of, he's being bullied,

970
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 2: he's being picked on at school. And so the neighbor

971
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 2: sees him, I buy the fence in the backyard one day,

972
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 2: and he goes over to talk to him and he says, hey,

973
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 2: so what's going on? And he finds out that this

974
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 2: young boy is dying from cancer. So this his new

975
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 2: friend is now goes off and he starts finding all

976
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 2: these plants, these potions, these powders. He's searching in magazines.

977
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,399
Speaker 2: He's trying to find mixed mustard and oils and things

978
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 2: to try and find a cure for this for his

979
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 2: new friend, so that he can he can live a

980
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 2: good life with his new friend. Well, they go through

981
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 2: a bunch of obstacles and trials and tribulations throughout throughout

982
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 2: the years. Well the boy only had three months, but

983
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 2: he ends up living three years. He still dies, But

984
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 2: the moral of the story is that that boy gave

985
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 2: him that cure, and he gave him an unconditional love

986
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 2: and an unconditional friendship that gave him a better quality

987
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 2: of life. Now, I know that people mock at the

988
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 2: name cure, but a cure doesn't have to come from

989
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 2: a needle, it doesn't have to come from a poison,

990
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:40,439
Speaker 2: it doesn't have to come from anything else. It could

991
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 2: come from unconditional love from a strong dad that wants

992
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 2: to help heal his son. And that is all that

993
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 2: I am trying to do for our community of autistic babies.

994
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 2: And it can and it will be done. And so

995
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 2: that's why I named it Echoes for Autism.

996
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: Okay, we're going to bring it up to back to

997
00:44:55,640 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 1: some laughter and joy. There's joy that's not joy and

998
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: what you're doing. Okay, you said you would sing me

999
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: a song.

1000
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 2: Oh my god, oh man, I really put myself on

1001
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 2: the spot there.

1002
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 1: Okay, you said, you said, you said, so you can

1003
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,959
Speaker 1: choose any topic. Maybe Bachelor Pad because you had such

1004
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: great time there and we are a bachelor related podcast.

1005
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: Why do we go there? Can you sing me a

1006
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: song about Bachelor Pad?

1007
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:30,760
Speaker 2: Okay? Wow, okay, yeah, this is going to be awkward,

1008
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 2: I love it.

1009
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: Or or even better, could you sing a song about

1010
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: being an og like a theme song for the almost

1011
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: famous Ogs?

1012
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, let me let me think about that. Let's see.

1013
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay, you're not on the spot at all.

1014
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 2: I know. I'm like, how do I need a melody?

1015
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 2: I need like a beat or something, you know what

1016
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 2: I mean? I need like, oh god, I am not

1017
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:56,399
Speaker 2: bad person. Yeah I know. I see I'm not beat box.

1018
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 2: Yeah you know. See now we're put on the spot here.

1019
00:45:58,680 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 2: This is what happens when you just got to go

1020
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 2: win something, you know. Let's see here, all right, so

1021
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 2: we'll just wing something, all right. So I don't even know.

1022
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,720
Speaker 2: So I'm sitting here saying on the show was trist

1023
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 2: to Sutter wishing I had a piece of toast and

1024
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 2: garlic butter, because when I'm on the show, like a

1025
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 2: oh gee, I don't know what to sing because my

1026
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 2: name is Casey. I guess I didn't know it. I

1027
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 2: don't even know I'm singing a song like I'm singing

1028
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 2: to my daughter. I don't even know.

1029
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:32,959
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I love it.

1030
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 2: You got me all red like, because I got people

1031
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:36,800
Speaker 2: in here staring at me too, right now. So you

1032
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 2: got me really on the spot, right, I got you. Yeah.

1033
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 2: I got executive director of my nonprofits. She's helping me

1034
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 2: run all at my studio, and she's over here dying

1035
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 2: laughing at me right now, dude, like this is Yeah,

1036
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 2: she's not even making an eye contact because I'm sweating,

1037
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,280
Speaker 2: though I'm profusely sweating.

1038
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,879
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry that we've made you sweat, but you

1039
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 1: are the best.

1040
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 2: You know. I don't care. It's it is what it is.

1041
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 2: And if I actually thought of the song, I probably

1042
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 2: could have came up with a better melody. But it's, hey, don't.

1043
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: You know what, I don't care exactly. I feel like

1044
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 1: as I get older, you just get to the point

1045
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,879
Speaker 1: where you're like, I just don't care, like you know what,

1046
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: you can believe what you want to believe about me.

1047
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: I'm going to live my life for me, and I

1048
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 1: love that you're doing that. Well.

1049
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 2: It took this show to learn that right, and it

1050
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 2: took a lot, you know, because when and when that

1051
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 2: stuff did come out, you know, about my show and

1052
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,879
Speaker 2: about the stuff that I had bandages and certain things

1053
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 2: that were alluded to things that weren't actual truth. You know,

1054
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 2: I got a lot of speculation. I got a lot

1055
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,919
Speaker 2: of nasty messages, I got a lot of online hate,

1056
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,280
Speaker 2: you know, I got a lot of speculation. I always

1057
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 2: questioned myself, looking over my shoulder, is that person laughing

1058
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 2: at me? Is that person laughing at me is that

1059
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 2: person making fun of my song? You know, that was

1060
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,439
Speaker 2: a hard part of my life to compartmentalize ultimately until

1061
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 2: I realized, I don't care. I don't care what they say,

1062
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 2: I don't care what they think, because at the end

1063
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 2: of the day, I'm going to help people get healthy.

1064
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 2: I'm gonna help people get well. I'm gonna help people

1065
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 2: with autism. I'm gonna help my child, I'm gonna help

1066
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:08,359
Speaker 2: my my daughter, I'm gonna help my wife, I'm gonna

1067
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 2: help myself, I'm gonna help my family. And if anyone

1068
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 2: has anything to say about that authenticity, then I really

1069
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 2: don't care.

1070
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 1: Love it. Thank you, Casey, Thank you. This has been

1071
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: so enlightening. I loved reconnecting with you. I'm so happy

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Speaker 1: for you and your happiness. Thank you, Thank you for sharing.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being on the Almost Famous Og podcast.

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Speaker 2: No thanks for having me. I enjoyed it. And thank

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Speaker 2: you for always being authentic as you. You are one

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Speaker 2: of the few ogs that truly are always who you are,

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Speaker 2: and I appreciate you for that. Trista, thank you, Thank you,