1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 2 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: I and Mike Spofford, sitting next to the one and 3 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 1: only Wes Hodkowits, were coming to you here from our 4 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: studios at lambeau Field and West. Will begin the show 5 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: today with a little bit of news regarding the Pro Bowl. 6 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: Because the Packers initially had two Pro Bowl selections, quarterback 7 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers and left tackled David box tr most surprised 8 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 1: that Rogers has decided not to participate. He's sort of 9 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: done that for the last several selections. He's bypassed and 10 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: let someone else go in his place. But along those 11 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: same lines, the Packers have now had three alternates who 12 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: have been chosen for the Pro Bowl to replace some 13 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: other players, and that would be wide receiver Davante Adams, 14 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: defensive lineman Nny Clark, and outside linebacker za Darius Smith. 15 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: And uh, certainly a neat moment for Clark and Smith 16 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: because this is the first Pro Bowl for either player. Yeah, 17 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 1: and incredibly well deserving for both of them. One Zadarius 18 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:17,680 Speaker 1: Smith had one of the finest seasons of any player 19 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: in the National Football League this year. The way he 20 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: was utilized, the number of positions that he played in 21 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: just his overall effectiveness at all these different spots. Kenny 22 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: Clark kind of reminds me of a player that a 23 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: lot of times with these defensive line and offensive line positions, 24 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: unless you're Aaron don you know, Donald, it takes you 25 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: a little bit of time to build up your name 26 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 1: to get a Pro Bowl nomination, to get it, to 27 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 1: get an addition and alternate, and then finally actually making 28 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: the team. This is a big step for him. I 29 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: thought the way that he came on the second half 30 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: of the season, particularly in the month of December, he 31 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: deserves that recognition in that nod. But let's talk about 32 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: Davante Adams for a section, because the first thing that 33 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: jumped out to me when I saw that he got 34 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: it one it's very rare that any player is able 35 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: to make three consecutive Pro Bowl appearances, but for Davante, 36 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: it's the first time in twenty six years that it's 37 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: happened as a Packers receiver, with Sterling Sharpe in the 38 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 1: last to accomplish that feat. For Sharp, it was his 39 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: last three seasons nine before he ended up prematurely retiring. 40 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 1: So yeah, so I mean, just a tremendous honor for 41 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 1: Davante And and the thing that stood out to me, 42 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: you know, I pulled up his stats, and he had 43 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: a remarkable postseason mike a hundred catches, one thousand two yards, 44 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: seven touchdowns if you count his four teen games with 45 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: the postseason. I think what we're seeing here. You know, 46 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers has had some phenomenal receivers. I'm not going 47 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 1: to get in a thing here where we start ranking them, sure, 48 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: but Davante Adams has a real opportunity here to become 49 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: something special in this franchise history and in this league. 50 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: I think he's in the shorthand right now five six 51 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: guys that I think are the pre eminent receivers in 52 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 1: the National Football League. And he does it with everything. 53 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: His athleticism, his skill, his footwork, his tenacity. He is 54 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 1: a complete football player. So to see him despite the 55 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,519 Speaker 1: turf toe that wiped him out for October, to see 56 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: him get this accolade very well deserved. Well. When you 57 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: look at Adam's stats, you subtract the four games he 58 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 1: missed in the regular season, he played two postseason games. 59 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 1: If you look at that as his season fourteen games, 60 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,399 Speaker 1: which is still not quite a full season, but fourteen 61 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 1: games that he played he had was that a hundred 62 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: catches catches, I mean, that's that's pretty impressive on the 63 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: face of it. And when you talk about the postseason 64 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: two this is interesting because Adams went over a hundred 65 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: yards and both of the Packers playoff games this year. 66 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: He now has four one yard receiving games in the 67 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: playoffs in just eight career postseason games. The four one 68 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: yard games, that's already the most of any Packers player 69 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: in postseason history to top a hundred yards four times. 70 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: And when you think about all of these receivers through 71 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: the far Van Rogers era and Oneal Freeman, Robert Brooks, 72 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: Javon Walker, Sterling Sharp, Jordy Nelson, Randall Cop, Greg Jennings, 73 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: James Jones, I mean, all of these guys in just 74 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: eight postseason games, Davante Adams already has more yard games 75 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 1: in the playoffs than any of those guys. That's that's 76 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: really something. And and um, as you said, the three 77 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: straight Pro Bowls certainly deserving of it. And uh, you 78 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: just you wonder if not for those missed four games 79 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 1: in the middle of the season, maybe what his regular 80 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: season stats would have been. He ended up just the 81 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: three yard shy of a thousand yards season again for 82 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 1: the second time in in his career. But he's getting 83 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 1: the recognition he deserves, and certainly the way teams are 84 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: defending him, the way teams are game planning for him. Um, 85 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: he's uh, he's not going unnoticed out there in the NFL. No. 86 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: And and just that he's doing this against the top cornerbacks, 87 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: and he's doing it against double coverage and everything else 88 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: that coordinators are throwing at him. The thing I wanted 89 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: see this offseason. Uh. And I hope people don't take 90 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: this the wrong way. I'm sure some will. Is. Man, 91 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: it'd be great if the Packers draft a young receiver here. 92 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: I don't care what round it is, but man, you're 93 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: able to get as many young guys as you can 94 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: into that room right now with Davante Adams to see 95 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: how that guy works. I was talking with Alan Lazard 96 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: about this during clean out. I mean just the the 97 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: improvements that he feels he's made just by being in 98 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: Adam's presence, being able to ask him questions, Uh, seeing 99 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 1: the way that he approaches the game mentally. Uh, this 100 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: I think Davanta Adams is a sum of all the parts. One, 101 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: he's a phenomenally talented player and he has a great 102 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: head on his shoulders. But being able to share that 103 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: that room with Jordy Nelson and Randall Cobb, and having 104 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: the relationship that he did with James Jones, all of 105 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: that has manifested into what I feel is like the 106 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 1: ultimate Packers receiver at this point. And the man, the 107 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 1: more young guys that you can get in there with them, 108 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: that'd be really that'd be really special. That I was 109 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 1: going to say, you have to start, you have to 110 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: continue the pipeline here, right. That goes back to say 111 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: Donald Driver, who is Donald Driver and Greg Jennings were 112 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,919 Speaker 1: really the two receivers who sort of made the transition 113 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 1: from far Over to Rogers. You know, they played and 114 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 1: James Jones as well, although Jones was only here for 115 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 1: um for far as last season before Rogers took over 116 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: as a starter. But you had those guys, and you know, 117 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: they were the ones who brought along, you know, the 118 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: Jordy Nelson's and the Randall Cobbs and then and then 119 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: Nelson and Cobb at different times rose into those leadership 120 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: roles now it's Davante Adams. You have to keep that 121 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: pipeline going, right, I mean it's about it's about that 122 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: leader setting the example for the other guys. And um, yeah, 123 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: you'd certainly you'd certainly like to see the who who's 124 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: the next Davante Adams. You know, who's the next Randall Cobb? 125 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: Who's the next Jordy Nelson? That that Aaron Rodgers is 126 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: going to be throwing too here at the at the 127 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: tail end of his career, and we'll just have to 128 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 1: wait and see. Yeah, it's it's just you go back 129 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: to two thousand fourteen, right when they drafted Davantae, they 130 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 1: didn't really need a receiver quote unno, well they need 131 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 1: Jordy Nelson when they drafted him in two thousand and 132 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 1: eight either with all the with all the u the 133 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: weapons that they had. But look how that draft book 134 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: turned out. When you have a house like that and 135 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: you're able to bring that kind of talent in there, 136 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: it's just neat to see that all messed together. Honestly, 137 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: when the press release got announced on Tuesday morning and 138 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: they sent it out that it was DeVante Clark in Zadarius, 139 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: I know there are certain things within contracts and how 140 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: it's different from making the Pro Bowl as an alternate 141 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: as as far as first back, right, yeah, all those 142 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: incentives and things like that, but just being able to 143 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: get that on their resumes. To say that Kenny Clark 144 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: is a Pro Bowl defensive tackles, Zadarius Smith is a 145 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: Pro Bowl linebacker. I think it would have been an 146 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: ultimate travesty if we would have gotten through this whole 147 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: gamut here Mike and Zadarius Smith. He just had a 148 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: normal season, no huge accolades. I mean that it's good 149 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: to at least being able to the silver line and 150 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: the consolation whatever description you want to throw on it, 151 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: that that guy gets to be able to have that 152 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: type of recognition and now he doesn't get to wear 153 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: the snubbed shirt anymore. Sort of just a little edit 154 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: editing job on the on the Okay, all right, well 155 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: we'll go We'll go with that. Well, the other thing 156 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: we definitely need to talk about today is Monday. Yesterday 157 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: was locker clean out day, which is always It happens 158 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: every year, right, I mean, the season ends, at some point, 159 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: the players are cleaning out their lockers, saying their goodbyes. 160 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: It's our last chance to interview some players for some 161 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: stories and whatnot before they all disperse and head into 162 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: their offseason vacations. And it was there was an interesting 163 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 1: I don't know if interesting is the right word. There was. 164 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 1: There was a whole mixture in terms of the vibe 165 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: in the room because a lot of guys were talking 166 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: about just the camaraderie of that locker room and how 167 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: close it was and everything like that. But at the 168 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: same time, they're processing the fact that you know, the 169 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: season's over and they came so close to a Super 170 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: Bowl and don't always know who's going to be back there. 171 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:06,199 Speaker 1: There is inevitable change year to year in the NFL 172 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: in terms of the roster, in terms of the makeup 173 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: of the locker room, So all of those things were 174 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: kind of swirling around, uh during these interviews, and it's 175 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: it's kind of a difficult day in a way for 176 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:21,319 Speaker 1: the players to to process, but it's interesting to to 177 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: get their insights in it when you know they themselves 178 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: are are are kind of going through it when everything 179 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: ends so abruptly as it always does in the postseason. Yeah, 180 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: it was it was, you know, when I was walked 181 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: in there, I wasn't really sure what to expect. Yeah, 182 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: you know, these locker rooms, they can go a lot 183 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 1: of different ways. The the overall theme that I took 184 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 1: from it, I don't know if you'd agree with me 185 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: or not, was uplifted. It just seemed like guys were 186 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 1: pretty upbeat for the most part, compared to what I 187 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: felt to be a pretty emotional and not downtrodden but 188 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: just exhausted locker room the night before. Yeah, you know, 189 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: just talking to Mercedes Lewis a little bit and first 190 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 1: and foremost, he said he fully intends to play next 191 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 1: year would be his fifteenth NFL season if he does. 192 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: But this is a guy that a year ago, and 193 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,319 Speaker 1: I wrote about the some Packers dot Com is that 194 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: he stepped back and he took two months basically to 195 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: decide whether or not he still wanted to do this. 196 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: He needed that after what was a really turbulent year 197 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 1: in which he only played seventeen percent of the offensive snaps. 198 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: He didn't know if this is what he wanted to 199 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:29,439 Speaker 1: do anymore, and with everything that happened this season for 200 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: him individually and most specifically as a team. Within twenty 201 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: four hours of that game ending against San Francisco. He's like, yeah, 202 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 1: I'm back. I want to be back. And regardless, he 203 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: says he sees a lot of bright, you know, bright 204 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 1: future here for this team in this locker room, in 205 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: the direction they're headed. But there was a statement that 206 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: I thought stood out to me more than any other 207 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: in this locker room, and it actually came from Jared 208 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 1: vel Deer, and it was over to our friend Bill 209 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: Huber with s I and he said, this is one 210 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: of the most fun years he's ever had. Jared veld 211 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: years been here for about a month and he's played 212 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: ten NFL seasons. Yeah, for him to come into this 213 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:11,319 Speaker 1: locker room and feel that energy and to have that 214 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 1: as his lasting impression. Guy who didn't know if he 215 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: wanted to play this game anymore when he retired in 216 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: may to say something like that, and he probably and 217 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 1: I'd have to double check on his background, but he 218 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 1: might not have known a soul in that locker room 219 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 1: before he arrived. Billy Turner was Turner, and Turner was 220 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: the only I mean, he didn't know anybody else. There 221 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: was almost there was no familiarity there at all, but 222 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: go ahead. He caught Turner for one I think one season, 223 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: two seasons and no. One season in Denver, and then 224 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: he played half a season with Tremont in Arizona. That 225 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:44,439 Speaker 1: was But you're right, this guy didn't know these offensive lineman. 226 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: I think he had a little bit of a background 227 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: with Brian Bulaga because they came out in the draft 228 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: the same year, and you you kind of, you know, 229 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: notice other players at your positions. But here he is 230 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 1: getting welcome in that locker room and then being able 231 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 1: to have the success that he did. I mean jumping 232 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: in twenty minutes for the Seattle game, starting at right 233 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: tackle in a pivotal playoff game, finishing that game against Detroit, 234 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: when when Balaga left with the knee injury or with 235 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: the concussion, excuse me, It's just this was a special team. 236 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: It was a special year, and no matter what piece 237 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: they brought into it, it just fit perfectly. So on 238 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: one side, that's the thing that hurts, because you had 239 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: a locker room that probably was as tight as it's 240 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: gonna be. Yeah, I that seem almost utopian the way 241 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 1: it ended up working out. But on the other side 242 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 1: of it, it's a young core, there's motivated players, and 243 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 1: you're going into the second year now is with the 244 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:38,199 Speaker 1: head coach in place, there's optimism and appreciation I think 245 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: for what happened in Yeah, there definitely is and uh 246 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: and as tough as it is to to see the 247 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: season end, and you know, these guys that they're realist 248 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 1: to West, they know they are absolutely no guarantees that 249 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: they'll ever get that close again. You don't know if 250 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: you're going to get that shot again. Obviously, as you said, 251 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: there's there's optimism that the Packers can get back there. 252 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: But just because you think so, just because you have 253 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 1: the talent to do it, um, even if you put 254 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 1: together the regular season to do it, the playoffs are 255 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: the playoffs, and you just don't know if you'll ever 256 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 1: get back to that point. But you mentioned Marcedes Lewis. 257 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 1: He's one of thirteen, I believe is the number of 258 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 1: pending unrestricted free agents that the Packers will be making 259 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,199 Speaker 1: contract decisions on over the next couple of months, with 260 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: free agency officially starting in I believe it's the second 261 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 1: week of March um. But just to rattle off a 262 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 1: few of the bigger names on that pending pending free 263 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: agency list as far as the unrestricted guys, Marcedes Lewis 264 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 1: Brian Balaga, Blake Martinez, Tremont Williams, Kyler Fackrel, who else 265 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 1: Mason Crosby, Yes, absolutely, and then you got your Ibraheim Campbell's, 266 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: your Tyler Urban's. Yeah, some of those guys who haven't 267 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 1: been here as long, but they are also a vested 268 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 1: veterans and and at the to their contracts and they 269 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: will be unrestricted as well. So thirteen of them all together, 270 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: and you know how this works West, There's absolutely no 271 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 1: way there is enough money under the salary cap. As 272 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 1: much as the packers would love to keep this whole 273 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: group together and say, hey, let's make another run at it, 274 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: that's not realistic. That's not how this is going to work. 275 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: We don't know who's going to be back and who 276 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: won't be out of those thirteen players. If we did, 277 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: we wouldn't be doing this show, right, Yeah, If if 278 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: we did, we'd be spending our time doing some other things. 279 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: But um, the locker room cohesion, the chemistry, the camaraderie. 280 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 1: I think that's an interesting thing because that it'll be 281 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: it'll be a challenge next year, um for you know, 282 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: to repeat that, and I I I just hope for 283 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: the player's sake that as much as everything this year 284 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: with that, locker rooms seem to just seem to just 285 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: happen organically and naturally based on the personalities of the 286 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: guys who were leaders at certain position groups, whether you're 287 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: talking the Smiths or whether you're talking the Bolaghas and 288 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 1: bok Trs, you know, on the offensive line and Davante 289 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: Adams at wide receiver. All of that you can't you 290 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: can't force it, you know. So whatever the personnel changes 291 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: are and whatever new faces come into the locker room, 292 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: and certain guys who maybe leave and and play, you know, 293 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: played big roles, but maybe they won't be back, you 294 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: just have to kind of let it happen again and 295 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: and and see where it goes. And I don't think 296 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: they're going to be able to repeat what they had 297 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: in terms of the locker room cohesion moving forward in 298 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: But that's not to say that you can't still have 299 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: a locker room that works and and get what you need, 300 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: get what you need out of that in terms of 301 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: of the closeness of the team. And that's always the 302 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: special thing about professional football, and honestly, to be fair 303 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: to other sports, many other professional sports and college sports 304 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: as well, is that you can you can you can draft, 305 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: you can sign, you can recruit, you can do all 306 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 1: these things. You can go on these intangibles, you can 307 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: ask all the questions, but until those players are in 308 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 1: the locker room, you don't always know what you're gonna get. 309 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: And it goes both ways. It can be positive and 310 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: it can be negative. But I think the thing and 311 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: one of the reasons why Aaron Rodgers, when he was 312 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: at the podium on Sunday said, you know he's encouraged 313 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: by this group because of the leadership, is every piece. 314 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: Is every single piece going to be back? No, is 315 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: this fifty three man roster that eggs of the field 316 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: at Levi Stadium could be the same one that comes 317 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: out on the field beginning of two thousand. But if 318 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: you have that core in place, you know there's a 319 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: reason to believe that it can be similar. And you know, 320 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: let's be honest too, And I'm really excited to talk 321 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: to Brian Goodakuts. At some point, I guess it will 322 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: probably end up in the NFL scouting combine what this 323 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: group of scouts saw in these free agents. They added 324 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: not just the four big ones that we always talked about, 325 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: but you know, Jared Valder and reading the stories about 326 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 1: how you know, teams were all reluctant to to potentially, 327 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: you know, claim him. You know, they wanted to work 328 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: them out, they wanted to talk to him. Packers just 329 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: claimed him and they accepted the contract that came with that. 330 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: And then you look at, you know, a guy like 331 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: Tyler Irvin that gets brought in and you know, some 332 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: of the conversations I was hearing about how the scouts 333 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: they knew and Rogers said it too, that the scouts 334 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 1: knew that they liked him and they were following him. 335 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: And then he just comes free in December and they 336 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: bring him in and you know that could potentially be 337 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: the kickoff and punt returner next year for Green Bay. 338 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:22,400 Speaker 1: We have to wait and see. Yeah, timing is everything right, 339 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 1: I mean it's it's because I'm sure there were you know, 340 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:28,360 Speaker 1: it wasn't the first time Tyler Irvin had been released, 341 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:30,719 Speaker 1: but at other times earlier in his career. When he 342 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: is released and if the packers have their eye on him, 343 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: it's all what is your roster situation at the time, 344 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 1: what are your needs? Do you have an opening or 345 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: you know, are you are you thinking that you know, 346 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 1: so and so is headed to injured reserves, so then 347 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: you have a roster spot available. All of those things 348 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,120 Speaker 1: factor into it, and sometimes sometimes it's just the timing 349 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: is right, you know. For the Packers, the roster spot 350 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: was there, or at least they were planning on creating one, 351 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:56,880 Speaker 1: and they clearly had a need to try to upgrade 352 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: the special teams with the return and he comes, he 353 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 1: comes in and you know, takes the bull by the horns, 354 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 1: so to speak, and makes an impression right away when 355 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: he steps in there. And then all of a sudden, so, yeah, 356 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 1: now here we are talking about it like, well, if 357 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,919 Speaker 1: they bring back Tyler Irvin, you know, then do we 358 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 1: go into training camp next summer already knowing who the 359 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,679 Speaker 1: punt returner kick returner is going to be. Maybe that 360 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: maybe that ends up being the case, but we'll see. Yeah. 361 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: And the thing I love about it too, is that 362 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: it's not like Tyler Irvan was just doing all the 363 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:27,679 Speaker 1: same stuff in Jacksonville. Tyler Urban was averaging like a 364 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: buck and a half on punt returns during those six 365 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: weeks in Jacksonville. Just the job that the scouts due 366 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:36,919 Speaker 1: to find guys character athleticism, all those different measurables is 367 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 1: just remarkable. But you know this is this is why 368 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 1: they have to make big decisions though this offseason. Getting 369 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 1: back to your original question, because well, don't you resign 370 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 1: because beyond that you have Kenny Clark coming up on 371 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: the end of his rookie deal. Aaron Jones is eligible 372 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:52,439 Speaker 1: for an extension this offseason. If you want to go 373 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: that route, David baktr is going to be coming down 374 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: the pipeline here in that. That's the that's the difficult 375 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 1: job that a general manager has away who stays, who goes? 376 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,719 Speaker 1: How do you allocate those funds. It's just like if 377 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: you're in your house and you're trying to figure out 378 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,119 Speaker 1: what you're gonna do with your monthly paychecks. You know, 379 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 1: you obviously have to pay your mortgage, in your car payment, 380 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 1: in Netflix and all that fun stuff, But how many 381 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: bells and whistles do you get to add into this? 382 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 1: That's what makes the lead great. And that's why I said, 383 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: and I mentioned on yesterday show, I wrote it an inbox, 384 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: very pragmatic offseason is needed for Green Bay to decide 385 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 1: we have an excellent opportunity, how do we maximize it. Yeah, exactly, 386 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: it's how how do you how do you go about 387 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: building another roster that's going to give you the best shot. 388 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: And what's interesting here with the Packers when you're talking 389 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:42,159 Speaker 1: about some of these pending free agents Mason Crosby, Marcedes Lewis, 390 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 1: Brian Bulaga, these aren't These aren't the guys who you know, 391 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 1: like a Kenny Clark who's just getting to his second contract. 392 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: These are guys who they've already gotten their second and 393 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 1: a lot of times even third contracts, and and uh, 394 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: you know, they're obviously at the tail end of their careers, 395 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: but they aid really really big roles on a really 396 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 1: really good team. So those those can be tough decisions. 397 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 1: And from their perspective, you know, they're like, well, this 398 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: might be the last contract I ever signed. So they're 399 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: trying to maximize on it for themselves, and the Packers 400 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:17,400 Speaker 1: are trying to decide, Okay, what is the value of 401 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 1: these players going forward. The business part of it is tough, 402 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's difficult there, it's not easy to 403 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 1: find the right answers to all this. But as I 404 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 1: like to say, that's why Brian Goudakuts gets paid the 405 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 1: big bucks. Right, That's that's that's that's a job. That's 406 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: that's the gig. So we're on Packers on scripted. We'll 407 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: be writing Insider in box later. I'll go home at 408 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: five o'clock and not have to watch any film. That's 409 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 1: why we're in the positions that we're in. Yeah, exactly, Yeah, sure. 410 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:52,160 Speaker 1: Well we've got a long off season obviously to talk 411 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,400 Speaker 1: about a lot of these issues, and we will find 412 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: out later this week. At some point we're going to 413 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:00,400 Speaker 1: hear from Matt Lafleur Hill host a season ending com 414 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 1: and I will close off this this edition of Unscripted. 415 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 1: I just want to go back to one thing because 416 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: I had a chance to talk with Blake Martinez a 417 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 1: little bit, getting back to these free instants and everybody 418 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: else it is and one of the things that really 419 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 1: it's incredible for me to watch now and I'm sure 420 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: you feel like this to seeing a young West hot 421 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: quits now in year four here with you at Packers 422 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: dot Com. This league goes by so quickly, and and 423 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 1: when I was talking with Martinez, he kind of scanned 424 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 1: the locker room a little bit and he was talking 425 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: about how when he got in the door. Well, first 426 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: and foremost, you know, he was the kid laying out 427 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,679 Speaker 1: in front of his locker. He always has had his film, 428 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,640 Speaker 1: you know, as iPad out. He was, you know, pelting 429 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: rogers with questions, doing everything could be to learn. And 430 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 1: he said he remembers, you know, there's a conversation he 431 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: had with with Clay Matthews. And you know, Matthews is 432 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: making big money, he's a big contract and he said 433 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:48,880 Speaker 1: it to him, you know, somebody that's gonna be you, 434 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: that's gonna be you, that's gonna be you know, going 435 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: into unrestricted free agency and being able to do that. 436 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: It's just insane how quickly those four years ago on 437 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,880 Speaker 1: rookie contracts. Well, I had just a brief moment to 438 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 1: to say something to Mason Crosby yesterday as he was 439 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: packing up. And I'll tell you, he was packing up 440 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: his shoes. I mean, I know he's a kicker, but 441 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: my goodness is that man, I have a lot of 442 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: shoes in his locker. Holy cow. But anyway, I just 443 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 1: had I had a brief moment to talk to him, 444 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 1: and and uh, when you just when you I stopped 445 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: and reflect on it, and I remember when Mason Crosby 446 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 1: walked into the locker room as a sixth round draft 447 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 1: pick out of Colorado and he was fighting for the 448 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,640 Speaker 1: kicking job with Dave Rayner, who had been the Packers 449 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 1: kicker in two thousand and six, and it was, you know, 450 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: this training camp battle and the whole thing it to think, 451 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 1: I mean, that was so long ago, and yet it 452 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: just doesn't seem like it was that long ago. I mean, 453 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: Mason Crosby is still here, and I mean we can 454 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: we could spend show after show talking about a lot 455 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: of these guys and and uh and all of our 456 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: interactions with them, but Mason Crosby is still the same 457 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 1: guy he was in two thousand seven. And I say 458 00:22:56,200 --> 00:23:00,160 Speaker 1: that in absolutely the most complimentary fashion. He's he he's 459 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: a pros pro and and you know, he's another one 460 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 1: of those guys that whether it's sharing his own personal stories, 461 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,440 Speaker 1: are facing the tough questions after a tough game. He's 462 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,640 Speaker 1: a guy that's always he's a guy that's always there, 463 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 1: and he's he's been he's been great to work with 464 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: and I certainly hope he's back. Just my personal my 465 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: personal home. That's why I covered the NFL and any 466 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: any major Sports League. It's so unique because I would 467 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: argue with colleges, you don't always give a chance to 468 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: really know guys because they're there for a little bit, 469 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 1: then they're gone. And but with with pro teams, you 470 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 1: get to know guys for eight, ten, twelve years sometimes 471 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 1: and that's only a fraction of their lives. It's only 472 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,360 Speaker 1: a fraction of our lives, but it's enough to get 473 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 1: to know the person. And sometimes you end up seeing 474 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: these people more than you do your own families, you know, 475 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: around the office and things like that. But then they're 476 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 1: onto the next chapter and it's NFL I think is 477 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: a really good, you know, microcosm of life. I just 478 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 1: I think it's it's a perfect representation of what happens, 479 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 1: how you build, how you learn, but so understanding how 480 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 1: brief everything is. It was, it was cool. It's always 481 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 1: those there's always a lot of self reflection in those 482 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: final locker rooms because there is that idea, as you 483 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: were pointing out earlier, that not everybody's going to be 484 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 1: back and things will be different, and uh, I think 485 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 1: that also makes you kind of appreciate those moments a 486 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: little more. Yeah. Absolutely, Well with that, we'll call it 487 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 1: a wrap on this edition of Packers Unscripted. Be sure 488 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: to follow all of our coverage of the team on 489 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: packers dot com. You can subscribe to us, like us 490 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,919 Speaker 1: on iTunes and other podcast services, and check out the 491 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 1: Packers YouTube channel for all kinds of great video content 492 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 1: for West I'm Mike. Thanks for tuning in, everybody, See 493 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: you next time.