WEBVTT - Full interview with Robin Lundberg on Lakers, Knicks, Raptors, and more

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<v Speaker 1>Robin Lumberg.

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<v Speaker 2>Rob enjoined my show Night There's seven to eleven Standard

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<v Speaker 2>time Monday Friday. I was joined by my co host

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<v Speaker 2>Big Ash and my friendj Glass or I'm listening. Very

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<v Speaker 2>few people in the league see it like Robin.

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<v Speaker 3>When you see this, when you hear these stories, do

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<v Speaker 3>you look at this and say, Okay, it's a team

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<v Speaker 3>that's struggling a little bit and this is what's coming out,

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<v Speaker 3>or does it feel like it's maybe something bigger like

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<v Speaker 3>the Darvin ham eras crazy enough already unraveling in LA.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I mean, look, they won the nd season tournament.

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<v Speaker 4>They're a banner and everything.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>I said it at the time, and I was only

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<v Speaker 4>half joking that Lebron and the Lakers need to go

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<v Speaker 4>as hard as they possibly can for the n season

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<v Speaker 4>tournament because you know they are Their roster is not

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<v Speaker 4>that talented from top to bottom.

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<v Speaker 1>When you look at it, they really don't have shooting.

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<v Speaker 4>They've got Tory in print playing minutes, Guys like that

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<v Speaker 4>out there playing minutes. Lebron is the oldest player in

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<v Speaker 4>the league. Anthony Davis, you know, as the street closed

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<v Speaker 4>meme going on for him, So counting on those guys

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<v Speaker 4>to not only be healthy in the playoffs is enough,

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<v Speaker 4>but also counting on the rest of that talent around

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<v Speaker 4>them being enough is too much. So I really did

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<v Speaker 4>think going for the nd season tournament was a really

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<v Speaker 4>good idea for them. But yeah, I mean I think

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<v Speaker 4>once you start seeing stuff like this from Shams and

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<v Speaker 4>the like, there is smoke to that fire that they've

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<v Speaker 4>been in a bit of a tailspin. And we all

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<v Speaker 4>know the coach is always the easy scapegoat, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>Rob Low I mean, Rob Plinka ain't gonna get canned,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, in the middle of the season right now,

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<v Speaker 4>So it's it clearly there's some disconnect, some discontent going

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<v Speaker 4>on with that team. I mean goes back to Austin

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<v Speaker 4>Reeves and even reports of him having friction with Darvin

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<v Speaker 4>Hamm and he's probably the third best player on that team.

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, I think the Lakers do have legitimate issues,

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<v Speaker 4>and roster can production, aside from rotation, is one of them.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I think Genie is a big part of that too,

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<v Speaker 5>unfortunately hiring a lot of her friends. I know, Linda

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<v Speaker 5>Rambis is like making calls and I think she was

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<v Speaker 5>a Laker girl back in like the Showtime Era and

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<v Speaker 5>then her and Kurt just kind of hung around. Emanuel

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<v Speaker 5>Quickly though near and dear to my heart six Man

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<v Speaker 5>of the Year candidate, he probably should have won it

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<v Speaker 5>last year. He goes to Toronto, probably going to get

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<v Speaker 5>the absolute bag. He goes crazy in his starting role

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<v Speaker 5>twenty six points. How do you think he and RJ

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<v Speaker 5>affect Toronto moving forward?

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<v Speaker 1>Who quickly needed that sort of changing scenery?

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<v Speaker 4>I think because of the conflict with Brunson, I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>through no fault of his own. Those two guys just

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<v Speaker 4>played the same position, and Brunson is really good, you know, Brenson,

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<v Speaker 4>aside from his height, it doesn't really get enough credit

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<v Speaker 4>for what he's actually done with the Knicks in the

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<v Speaker 4>league at this point, so quickly was never going to

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<v Speaker 4>get all the way off the leash with the Knicks

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<v Speaker 4>just because of that position. Fit in the fact that

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<v Speaker 4>you couldn't play those two guys together. So I like

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<v Speaker 4>that look for Toronto there.

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<v Speaker 1>RJ.

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<v Speaker 4>Barrett was never that much of an impact player for

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<v Speaker 4>the Knicks, but maybe back home and Kennedy played well

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<v Speaker 4>for the national team as well. You know, it's just

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<v Speaker 4>the kind of thing, perhaps a change of scenery less

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<v Speaker 4>expectations will help him out. So Toronto was going really nowhere.

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<v Speaker 4>There was no reason for them not to take a

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<v Speaker 4>swing at something that could stick. And it looks so

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<v Speaker 4>far like the move has been a good fit.

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<v Speaker 6>And then on the other side, Robin, I mean from

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<v Speaker 6>the Knicks perspective, did you like them trading for Og

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<v Speaker 6>And then do you think like the Knicks finally have

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<v Speaker 6>enough now for them to go out in the offseason

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<v Speaker 6>and attract one of these big free agents.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I think I like the move quite a

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<v Speaker 4>bit actually, because, like I just said, that they needed

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<v Speaker 4>that wing position they had quickly giving them a glut

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<v Speaker 4>at that guard spot. Now maybe they need a backup there.

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<v Speaker 4>I think they could use an upgrade at shooting guard.

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<v Speaker 4>But they had Brunson, they had Randall oj Og goes

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<v Speaker 4>in tween and that's a good fit for them.

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<v Speaker 1>As far as a big star, I mean, we're so caught.

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<v Speaker 4>We're almost like trained with muscle memory to do the

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<v Speaker 4>same exercises in the NBA.

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<v Speaker 1>So they need to get the guy. They're got to

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<v Speaker 1>go get the gotta make the move. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if that's the way that the league is constructed anymore.

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<v Speaker 4>Every super team that's put together fails now, Yes, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>everyone falls apart at the seams. We're already like talking

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<v Speaker 4>about the devise of the Phoenix Suns. They were just

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<v Speaker 4>put together. So I don't think we're in that era anymore.

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<v Speaker 4>In fact, I think one thing. Look at the odds

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<v Speaker 4>right right there on my screen. Look how close and

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<v Speaker 4>bunched up a lot of those teams are. None of

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<v Speaker 4>those are super teams per se. I mean, obviously Milwaukee

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<v Speaker 4>now has Giannis and Dame. The Celtics have a bunch

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<v Speaker 4>of guys, but the Heat were in the finals a

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<v Speaker 4>year ago. No one's calling them a super team. Plus

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<v Speaker 4>fifteen hundred looks pretty good to me given their recent history.

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<v Speaker 4>So I think the NBA has done a good job

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<v Speaker 4>at developing parody in a certain sense, where we're now

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<v Speaker 4>in a world where the Oklahoma City Thunder or all

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<v Speaker 4>the sudden contenders, the Minnesota Timberwolves are all the sudden contenders.

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<v Speaker 1>You're probably could list off six eight.

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<v Speaker 4>Teams who realistically could at least be in the mix.

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<v Speaker 4>So I don't think the Knicks have to go out

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<v Speaker 4>there and land the biggest fish possible.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they have to continue to.

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<v Speaker 4>Build on their roster and improve their personnel because they

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<v Speaker 4>aren't that far away. I mean the heat I just mentioned,

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<v Speaker 4>we're in the finals last year. The Knicks won six

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<v Speaker 4>games with them last season without these moves, So I

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<v Speaker 4>think they keep making those moves around the margins, they

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<v Speaker 4>could be right in the mix.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, where do the Knicks stack up to you?

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<v Speaker 1>Then?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean we haven't seen much obviously with this new

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<v Speaker 3>roster in the way that it's constructed yet. But the East,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I'm looking here. We got the magic, the

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<v Speaker 3>Cavs and the Knicks all sitting there at nineteen and fifteen,

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<v Speaker 3>and again, look, we got a long season ahead of us.

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<v Speaker 3>The magic could fall off, although we've all sat here

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<v Speaker 3>and talked about how much we like the magic coming

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<v Speaker 3>into the season. Anyway, so fingers crossed it doesn't have

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we've got a few bets on that division winner.

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<v Speaker 3>But like, just it feels like right now we haven't

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<v Speaker 3>gotten to the point where a lot of teams have

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<v Speaker 3>truly separated themselves besides maybe a Boston, but we found

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<v Speaker 3>moments where Boston's incredibly frustrating too. Like I kind of

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<v Speaker 3>feel like the Knicks are in a spot where they

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<v Speaker 3>could easily climb back up to like maybe around like

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<v Speaker 3>the four spot, maybe surpassed the Pacers because they're kind

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<v Speaker 3>of up and down. It just everything feels very very

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<v Speaker 3>wide open right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, man, that was what I was just saying.

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<v Speaker 4>I think the Knicks are probably the fifth best team

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<v Speaker 4>in the conference, you know, looking at it on paper,

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<v Speaker 4>given the heat, the pedigree points, given Boston and Milwaukee

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<v Speaker 4>the edge, and then Phillies look really good. That's another team,

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<v Speaker 4>sneaky team around the deadline. You know, Darryl Morey's always

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<v Speaker 4>been very aggressive. One move could really put the Sixers

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<v Speaker 4>over the top.

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<v Speaker 1>Though.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm you know, I'm not a big believer in Embiid

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<v Speaker 4>when it comes to the postseason, just because he's usually

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<v Speaker 4>broken down around that point in time and he doesn't

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<v Speaker 4>get the same calls generational flopper for a big man.

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<v Speaker 4>But you know, when the when the refing gets a

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<v Speaker 4>little tighter. But yeah, I'd say the Knicks are right

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<v Speaker 4>in that group of teams.

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<v Speaker 1>Again. They were, they were there last year.

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<v Speaker 4>Stop line used to be that the Knicks have won

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<v Speaker 4>one playoff series since I graduated from high school. That

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<v Speaker 4>is no longer true because they won a playoff series

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<v Speaker 4>a year ago. So that's now two playoff series since

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<v Speaker 4>I graduated from high school. And if they could win

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<v Speaker 4>a playoff series, who's to say they can't win two

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<v Speaker 4>With a slight improvement like they just made. I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 4>be shocked if the Knicks are in the Eastern Conference.

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<v Speaker 5>Finals, especially now that they have some guys, or at

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<v Speaker 5>least a guy, and Og and Nobi, who's a really

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<v Speaker 5>good corner catch and shoot three point shooter. We saw

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<v Speaker 5>what happened against the Miami Heat when they stopped being

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<v Speaker 5>able to score from deep. They just packed the pain

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<v Speaker 5>on them. I do want to get your thoughts on

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<v Speaker 5>the Brooklyn Nets, and I know it's not a sexy

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<v Speaker 5>team to talk about, but they're fascinating because they're hanging around.

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<v Speaker 5>They have reasons to compete. I mean, you would imagine

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<v Speaker 5>they don't own their own draft picks due to the

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<v Speaker 5>trades that they've made, and yet they seem already to

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<v Speaker 5>be punting on the season, especially that game right around

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<v Speaker 5>the Christmas break against Milwaukee where Jacques Vaughn sat every

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<v Speaker 5>one for absolutely no reason against a packed house.

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<v Speaker 4>That was the move of contender makes, which was strange,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, The reason that game stood out was Mchael Bridges.

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<v Speaker 4>That game would not have been talked about the same

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<v Speaker 4>way if it wasn't for Bridges to streak, because we

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<v Speaker 4>see teams rest guys all the time now, usually it

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<v Speaker 4>is a team that plans to be playing late into

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<v Speaker 4>the spring and into the early summer, and that's not

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<v Speaker 4>going to be the Brooklyn Nets. But they sat everybody

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<v Speaker 4>but cam Thomas and Bridges. Bridges obviously played because of

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<v Speaker 4>his streak and then didn't go back into the game.

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<v Speaker 4>That was what was so curious about it and really

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<v Speaker 4>so infuriating if you're rooting for the team, because it

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<v Speaker 4>was a winnable game, and then it's hard for jacqu

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<v Speaker 4>Vaughn to get up there and go, you know, we

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<v Speaker 4>gotta dive on the floor, we gotta make all these

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<v Speaker 4>hustle plays when you totally give up on a game.

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<v Speaker 4>So I don't think they they're punting the season because

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<v Speaker 4>of that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they were expecting to then win the next.

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<v Speaker 4>Game against the Wizards, but their season has gone to

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<v Speaker 4>a tailspin since then. They haven't won a game since then.

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<v Speaker 4>They lost to the Wizards, who obviously they should beat.

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<v Speaker 4>They losto the rockets last. They look lifeless, they look

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<v Speaker 4>soulless right now, and they're stuck in a nebulous area because,

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<v Speaker 4>like you said, Trista, they don't have their own draft picks,

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<v Speaker 4>so there's no incentive to tank right now. At the

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<v Speaker 4>same time, they're clearly not contenders and their best assets

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<v Speaker 4>are down the line. Like I really, I'm a fan

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<v Speaker 4>of the Kevin Durant trade, all things considered. Once you know,

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<v Speaker 4>once that red button is pushed, you know you're forced

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<v Speaker 4>into making a move. I thought they did as well

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<v Speaker 4>as you possibly could, getting Bridges and Johnson back, not

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<v Speaker 4>to mention four first round picks, pick swaps, whatever the

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<v Speaker 4>rest of that package was. And if you look at

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<v Speaker 4>the way Phoenix is constructed, very good chance they are

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<v Speaker 4>bad when those picks come due. But they're still paying

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<v Speaker 4>the debt on the Harden trade to Houston. They owe

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<v Speaker 4>their pick to Houston this year, So you make the argument,

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<v Speaker 4>I suppose sell off everything and just try to get

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<v Speaker 4>as many assets back, but that's probably not helping you

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<v Speaker 4>in the short term. I think most likely they're keeping

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<v Speaker 4>what they consider their core pieces, the Twins. I don't

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<v Speaker 4>know what the organization thinks about Cam Thomas because he's

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<v Speaker 4>weirdly been jerked around.

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<v Speaker 1>Where's he's not.

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<v Speaker 4>Starting, then he's starting, then he's not starting, then he's

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<v Speaker 4>getting pulled after struggling a little bit, when really you

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<v Speaker 4>should be developing somebody like him over Spencer Dinwiddie. I guess,

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<v Speaker 4>even though you know Thomas has his flaws, but maybe

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<v Speaker 4>they view him as a trade chip. I'm curious to

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<v Speaker 4>see where they go if they make a desperate move

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<v Speaker 4>at the deadline, or if they make more like marginal

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<v Speaker 4>moves like trading Dinwittie who's in expiring, trading Claxton who's inexpiring,

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<v Speaker 4>trading guys like Royce O'Neill and Dorian Finney Smith who

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<v Speaker 4>might have value to contenders and not value to them

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<v Speaker 4>right now, and still trying to build around those guys

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<v Speaker 4>who are in their late twenties on good contracts.

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<v Speaker 6>Rob What about the Grizzlies. Obviously now with John Arampack,

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<v Speaker 6>they're playing a lot better. They're five and a half

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<v Speaker 6>games behind the Lakers for that ten seed, and they'll

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<v Speaker 6>playing game if that were to happen today. I think

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<v Speaker 6>the tough thing with the Grizzlies for me, it's like

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<v Speaker 6>if they end up making like a nine or ten seed,

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<v Speaker 6>Like who's the team that they would replace? But do

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<v Speaker 6>you think maybe they're worth a bet long term with

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<v Speaker 6>job back now in the fold.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, I gotta check my receipts and see what

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<v Speaker 1>they say. You know, I keep them.

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<v Speaker 4>I still don't know what John Morant was talking about.

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<v Speaker 4>Did anybody ever say he wasn't a good basketball?

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<v Speaker 1>What the case?

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<v Speaker 4>But it's tough in the West, and with all those

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<v Speaker 4>teams bunched up when you start in that kind of hole. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>the play in tournament changes the whole game in a sense,

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<v Speaker 4>because we were just talking about the nets, and the

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<v Speaker 4>nets are what five games under five hundred right now,

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<v Speaker 4>but still in the play in tournament, right so your

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<v Speaker 4>your your life raft is a lot longer nowadays. It's

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<v Speaker 4>it's not like Leonardo DiCaprio from The Titanic.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not getting kicked off that sink it to the

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<v Speaker 1>bottom of the ocean. You can hang on and cling

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<v Speaker 1>on for longer.

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<v Speaker 4>But I think that the Grizzlies started in a little

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<v Speaker 4>bit too much of a hole to really get up

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<v Speaker 4>there with.

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<v Speaker 3>I got about a minut is so left here. We

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<v Speaker 3>were talking about the Warriors earlier sixteen and seventeen. Draymond's

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<v Speaker 3>gonna be back with them soon. I mean, clearly, they've

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<v Speaker 3>they've gotten older. This is what happens with great teams.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just the way the NBA works. Are they still

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<v Speaker 3>a playoff team in your eyes? Are they just a

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<v Speaker 3>play in team in your eyes at this point? Because

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like it's still really hard to write them

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<v Speaker 3>off just given the history of this team.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think they're right on that bubble seven, eight, nine, ten.

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<v Speaker 4>But Steph Curry is you know, it's funny all the

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<v Speaker 4>Steph Lebron talk over the years because now Curry is

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<v Speaker 4>in the position Lebron was once in where he's actually,

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<v Speaker 4>of all the superstars in the league, probably asked to

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<v Speaker 4>do more than anybody else when it comes to singularly

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<v Speaker 4>carrying a team. Klay Thompson is not the same player

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<v Speaker 4>he once was. Draymond Green can't stop choking people or

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<v Speaker 4>you know, doing whatever he's doing to get himself suspended.

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<v Speaker 4>You got who else is Wiggins was benched. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>they got, you know, cominga guy, little.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice pieces, but they don't have another scorer.

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<v Speaker 4>Really, they don't have consistent secondary production point second third

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<v Speaker 4>production point wise, A lot of that's coming from staff,

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<v Speaker 4>so I really just don't think they have the horses

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<v Speaker 4>anymore to get it done.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's crazy, but all all good things come to

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<v Speaker 3>an end in the NBA, as we've seen Robin Lundberg s,

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<v Speaker 3>I now appreciate it time man, Thanks for coming on.

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<v Speaker 1>You got it.

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<v Speaker 4>You remember everybody who talks about Michael Jordan never losing

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<v Speaker 4>when his dynasty ended, he quit to go play baseball.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, he dodged. He dodged all the criticism. He knew,

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<v Speaker 3>he knew, but the damn legacy was gonna be to

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<v Speaker 3>smart move.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for roving he did.

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<v Speaker 3>He played baseball, came back, team was good again, and

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<v Speaker 3>then you know what, Like nobody ever talks about Jordan

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<v Speaker 3>and the Wizards by the way, let's let's just bring

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<v Speaker 3>that up. I remember those days.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, he's.

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<v Speaker 3>Having he's having himself A night I watched the Spurs

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm like, why aren't they better?

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<v Speaker 1>Like they have some talent?

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<v Speaker 6>I got you, trust done.

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<v Speaker 3>He's on a nationally televised game going after GM to

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<v Speaker 3>night