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Speaker 1: Good morning, everybody, Happy Tuesday.

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Speaker 3: Have an amazing show for everybody today, Bro show Ryan

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Speaker 1: It's been a while here, my man, It's good to

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Speaker 4: How you doing.

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Speaker 1: I'm good. I'm good.

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Speaker 3: I was complaining to you how sleep deprived I am

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Speaker 3: these days? Four months ze progression, no joke, no joke.

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Speaker 3: We will delve into many tough topics today. Number one

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Speaker 3: is autism new claim from the Trump administration from President

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Speaker 3: Trump himself advising American pregnant women do not take Tayland

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Speaker 1: We'll get into it. We'll get into it.

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Speaker 3: I pulled all the data that we can all go through,

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Speaker 3: Ryan and I can go off. We're going to talk

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Speaker 3: about home and Tom Homan. That's not a story that

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Speaker 3: we were able to cover yesterday, allegedly accepting a fifty

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Speaker 3: which again, you know, we got to defend.

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Speaker 1: Cava at all costs, by far the best fast food.

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Speaker 3: We're going to give you all of the details he

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Speaker 3: can kind of issued a non denial denial yesterday on

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Speaker 3: Fox News. Says a lot of interesting stuff, not just

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Speaker 3: about Tom Homan, but actually about bribery laws, which is

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Speaker 3: something not enough people paid attention to when a Supreme

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Speaker 3: retiring GOP congressman worrying about tariffs and loss of jobs,

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Speaker 3: as well some other troubling data, including the Trump administration

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Speaker 3: delaying and inflation report. We're talking about h one B's

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Speaker 3: absolutely chaos and interesting new Order from the Trump administration

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Speaker 3: at first thinking that there would be a one hundred

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Speaker 3: retracting that people were literally on planes considering getting off

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Speaker 1: It's a total craziness. But there's you know, some there there, and.

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Speaker 3: We've talked about H one b's I think at a

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Speaker 3: he has caught Venezuelan and malicious training for domestic terrorism purposes, potentially,

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Speaker 3: you know, flashing red light there on a potential regime

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Speaker 3: change operation. And then finally Ryan, speaking of regime change,

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Speaker 3: there is a new leader in Syria. He is, of course,

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Speaker 3: And in probably one of the most insane and extraordinary

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Speaker 4: And usually when a CIA handler and his asset meet,

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Speaker 3: And the last thing before we get into all of that,

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Speaker 1: So let's go ahead and get to autism.

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Speaker 3: Some extraordinary remarks here from President Trump in a press

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Speaker 3: conference late yesterday at the White House about Thailandhil joining

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Speaker 3: with doctor J. Boticharia, doctor MARTT Macri, RFK Junior, the

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Speaker 3: Secretary of Health and Human Services, as well as some

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Speaker 3: other medical professionals, making a grand pronouncement that they believe

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Speaker 3: that tilanal while tailanil used while pregnant can lead to autism.

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Speaker 1: Here's what they had to say.

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Speaker 5: Be very careful with what he says, and he should.

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Speaker 5: But I'm not so careful with what I say. But

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Speaker 5: you have certain groups see Amish as an example. They

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Speaker 5: have essentially no autism first effective immediately, the FDA will

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Speaker 5: be notifying physicians at the use of I said.

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Speaker 6: Well, let's see how we say that. I said, menifin Aceta.

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Speaker 5: Menifin said okay, which is basically commonly known as Thailand

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Speaker 5: all during pregnancy can be associated with a very increased

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Speaker 6: Don't do it. Break up your visits to the doctors,

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Speaker 5: Do it in five if you can. Now it's inconvenient.

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Speaker 5: It's inconvenient. Now you've got to have to go back

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Speaker 5: another year later. You're going to go back each year

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Speaker 5: for four years, five years, three years. Just break it up,

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Speaker 5: break it up because it's too much liquid. Too many

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Speaker 5: different things are going into that baby at too big

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Speaker 5: at it, it's like eighty different vaccines and beyond vaccines and.

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Speaker 6: Eighty then you give that to a little kid.

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Speaker 5: Of this country is going through what parts of the

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Speaker 6: And I will say there are parts of the world

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Speaker 6: that don't take tailer.

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Speaker 5: because they don't have the money to fit tiland all

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Speaker 5: and they have virtually no autism.

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Speaker 6: Okay, tell me about that one. And there are other.

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Speaker 5: Parts of the world where they don't have tail and all,

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Speaker 6: That tells you a lot.

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Speaker 3: So that's a small flavor of the Trump press conference

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Speaker 3: more just yeah, there was a hell of a lot more,

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Speaker 3: though we just did our best to kind of disteal

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Speaker 3: seriousness of it, because while it is Trump being Trump,

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Speaker 3: it's also, you know, a major pronouncement from his administration.

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Speaker 3: The administration released a new fact sheet basically requiring a

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Speaker 3: new warning label on tailanol, which is currently the only

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Speaker 3: pain reliever which doctors recommend to pregnant women for pain relief.

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Speaker 3: This has been the center of not controversy per se,

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Speaker 3: but of study now for quite some time. Ryan, we

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Speaker 3: have pulled all the data that we can get into.

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Speaker 3: But do you have anything you want to say before

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Speaker 3: we play RFK Junior. Uh No, Let's go to RK Okay,

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Speaker 3: all right, let's play RFK junior again. I want to

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Speaker 3: the other side.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to RFK HHS once.

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Speaker 7: Therefore, to encourage clinicians to exercise their best judgment and

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Speaker 7: the use of a metaphine for fevers and pain and pregnancy,

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Speaker 7: I prescribing the lowest effective dose the short is necessary

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Speaker 7: also to the politicization of science, the safety of us

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Speaker 7: AT a metaphin against the risk of neurodevelopmental disorders and

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Speaker 7: young children has never been validated. Prudent medicine therefore suggests

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Speaker 7: caution a set of metaphine use young children, especially in

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Speaker 7: strong evidence also has associated it with liver toxicity. Steady

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Speaker 7: children can potentially prolong viral illnesses able to have new

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Speaker 7: research to safeguard mothers, children and families. In addition to

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Speaker 7: a possible set of connection to autism for pregnant women,

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Speaker 7: infants in toddlers, our research has revealed that foliate deficiency

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Speaker 7: and a child's brain can lead to autism. We have

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Speaker 7: also identified an exciting therapy that may benefit large numbers

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Speaker 7: of children who suffer from autism. Peer reviewed literature has

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Speaker 7: documented that up to sixty percent of full late deficient

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Speaker 3: For those who are just listening, ASD are not familiar

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Speaker 3: with the term as autism, spectrum and disorder, and so

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Speaker 3: what they cite is largely a couple of studies, including

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Speaker 3: they said that there may be a link.

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Speaker 1: I do think it's important.

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Speaker 3: I spent a lot of time actually on this very

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Speaker 3: question when my wife was pregnant, and we both went

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Speaker 3: through all of the data. The single best data set

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Speaker 3: from a study of some two and a half million children.

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Speaker 3: What they looked at was a seed of menaphin use

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Speaker 3: during pregnancy and a children's risk of autism, ADHD and

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Speaker 3: intellectual disability. Their end result that they ultimately found was

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Speaker 3: quote to address unobserved confounding. Matched full sibling pairs were

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Speaker 3: also analyzed. Siblic control analyzes found no evidence of seed

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Speaker 3: of menafin use during pregnancy was associated with autism. So

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Speaker 3: let me just reiterate what that said. It said that

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Speaker 3: in this population based study, models without sibling control identified

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Speaker 3: marginally increased you at risk of autism and ADHD associated

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Speaker 3: with cedamnaphin use during pregnancy. However, analyzes of matched full

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Speaker 3: sabling pairs then found no evidence of increased risk of

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Speaker 3: autism with a hazard ratio, ADHD or intellectual disability. So basically,

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Speaker 3: to break that down from doctor speak, and I've spoken

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Speaker 3: is that if you look at it without sibling control,

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Speaker 3: you could see it. If you do look at it

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Speaker 3: with sibling control, then it largely disappears, and so I.

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Speaker 1: Do think that's important.

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Speaker 3: There is also a chart here that we should put

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Speaker 3: relatively mixed evidence. But the new FDA approval and all

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Speaker 3: of that, especially with coverage under chips and Medicaid, seems like,

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Speaker 3: you know, listen, why try something if it has decent

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Speaker 3: enough evidence behind it. But second from Jay Boticharia was like,

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Speaker 3: we're going to throw a lot of money at these studies.

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Speaker 3: That was the solution the whole time, right, like to

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Speaker 3: at least again to me, because relying on observational Swedish

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Speaker 3: study or this Harvard it's like these are not run

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Speaker 3: currently massive data sets other than the Swedish one, which

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Speaker 3: didn't find the link, and it also was not controlled

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Speaker 3: properly or funded by the government. Like you just cut

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Speaker 3: all these mRNA, which fine, you should at least try

447
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Speaker 3: and channel it, you know, into these same things to

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Speaker 3: find some scientific evidence and then see where the data

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Speaker 3: takes you. But it seemed to me like they started

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Speaker 3: off with conclusion that they were under a kind of

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Speaker 3: intense pressure on the autism question. They didn't want to

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Speaker 3: go fully down the road of pulling the MMR vaccine,

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Speaker 3: or at least for now, you know, that's still kind

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Speaker 3: of up up in the air again, separate question, which

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Speaker 3: we could spend hours on here if we wanted to.

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Speaker 3: But broadly, it just seemed to me like they were

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Speaker 3: under the gun. They needed to come up with something.

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Speaker 3: They need a big press conference, you know, maybe to

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Speaker 3: distract from certain other things that are going on here,

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Speaker 3: and this was like their big banner to start a conversation.

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Speaker 1: So with that, let me play this a six. Let's

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Speaker 1: take a listen.

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Speaker 8: Today, the FDA is finally a federal register notice to

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Speaker 8: change the label on an exciting treatment called prescription luk

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Speaker 8: of orn so that it can be available to children

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Speaker 8: with autism. You know, autism may also be due to

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Speaker 8: a autoimmune action to a folate receptor on the brain,

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Speaker 8: not allowing that important vitamin to get into the brain cells.

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Speaker 8: It's an fairly established mature pathway. Again, we have a

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Speaker 8: duty to let doctors in the public know we're going

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Speaker 8: to change the label to make it available. Hundreds of

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Speaker 8: thousands of kids, in my opinion, will benefit. One study

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Speaker 8: found that with kids with autism and chronic folate deficiency,

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Speaker 8: two thirds of kids with autism symptoms had improvement and

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Speaker 8: some market improvement.

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Speaker 3: All right, so that's the new drug that they are

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Speaker 3: touting here A seven. We can go in and put

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Speaker 3: it up there on the screen. I apologize by butcher this.

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Speaker 3: I'm not good with drug names. But it's Luke of

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Speaker 3: vorin inside the drug giving new hope there to quote

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Speaker 3: autism parents. They're saying that it's quote an answer to autism,

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Speaker 3: and it's a form of vitamin B nine, also known

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Speaker 3: as folate that's been prescribed to protect healthy cells from

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Speaker 3: the toxic side effects of previously used in chemotherapy and

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Speaker 3: to enhance chemo and to treat cerebral folate deficiency. Folate,

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Speaker 3: as doctor Macra saying there is needed for brain development,

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Speaker 3: and they have found that some children with neurodevelopmental disorders

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Speaker 3: show signs of cerebral folate deficiency, a shortage of B

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Speaker 3: nine in the brain. Again, I am not a doctor.

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Speaker 3: Do not take medical advice from me. I wouldn't take

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Speaker 3: medical advice from them either, And that's part of the difficulty.

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Speaker 3: I think of this entire kind of conversation. That's what, right, Well, okay,

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Speaker 3: let's talk about that. And this is one of the

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Speaker 3: I hope maybe potential benefits of COVID. Now, a lot

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Speaker 3: of the doctors and all these people are upset. I

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Speaker 3: read everything for myself now at this point, and I'll

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Speaker 3: take their consideration.

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Speaker 1: I will not dismiss it out of hand.

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Speaker 3: I probably, you know, bought more biased earlier, let's say

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Speaker 3: two years ago. Really in the heights of the COVID mania,

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Speaker 3: I would have been like, I don't believe a word

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Speaker 3: that people say. But you know, presented with this, I'm like, well,

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Speaker 3: I don't know, that's thecounter argument.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, well do yeah.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: So it's like, maybe I'm going to do my own research.

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Speaker 3: And by doing my own research and all that, and

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Speaker 3: you read the data and the trials and stuff for themselves. Actually,

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Speaker 3: the Sweetish study is a good reminder to people. Something

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Speaker 3: I tried to do was I'd stop looking at America

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Speaker 3: because the question is always about corruption, either ideological or pharma.

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Speaker 3: So I would look to countries where they have universal

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Speaker 3: health care.

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Speaker 1: They largely are not woke.

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Speaker 3: So I'm mainly shouting out japan here, and then I

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Speaker 3: would look at their health outcomes, right, and I would

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Speaker 3: compare US advisories.

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Speaker 1: Sushi is a great one, right, you know, no sushi

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Speaker 1: or any of that.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, well, you know, the Japanese are pretty smart

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Speaker 3: and they lost sushi and raw fish, so what's going

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Speaker 3: on over there? And they're like, you're an idiot if

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Speaker 3: you know, everyone here eat sushi. Right again, don't take

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Speaker 3: medical advice from me. Read the book and read the

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Speaker 3: guidance and all that for yourself. But on their vaccine schedule,

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Speaker 3: you can compare the you it's easy actually, with chat

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Speaker 3: EPT or any of these, compare the US vaccine schedule

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Speaker 3: to the Japanese vaccine schedule.

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Speaker 1: You can make up your mind for yourself.

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Speaker 3: You can also go and take a look at various

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Speaker 3: other European countries. Keep in mind a lot of these

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Speaker 3: pharma companies are European based, so there's still some potential

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Speaker 3: for corruption, but by and large, some of their data

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Speaker 3: is better than ours, or they publish more population white stuff,

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Speaker 3: and they have less ideological you know, kind of influence

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Speaker 3: going on there.

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Speaker 1: So that's part of the difficulty for me personally.

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Speaker 3: Ryan like I saw the American College of Obstetricians come

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Speaker 3: out and be like this is dangerous and all of that.

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Speaker 3: But considering how we've seen them previously talk about the

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Speaker 3: COVID vaccine or I mean, krystally gotten a nice big

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Speaker 3: debate yesterday on trans but like, considering some of the

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Speaker 3: stuff that let's say the American Academy of Pediatrics is

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Speaker 3: said there too, I'm like, yeah, I don't trust you

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Speaker 3: at all.

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Speaker 1: Right, So, like, I.

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Speaker 3: Really think a lot of parents they need more information,

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Speaker 3: and the government it did not do that today or

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Speaker 3: yesterday in their announcement. They did not give people, in

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Speaker 3: my opinion, more information. They didn't say they were going

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Speaker 3: to study. They made a declarative statement. And as you said,

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Speaker 3: maybe the doctors wrote it a little bit differently, but

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Speaker 3: the presidents straight up set don't take til and all. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 3: the headline is clear. Yeah, like he said, don't take it. Which,

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Speaker 3: by the way, their stock is now plunged. Let's put

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Speaker 3: a five up here on this screen. Tailand All maker

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Speaker 3: ken Vu has plunged on reports that the White House's

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Speaker 3: plan to link the drug to autism. The news spurred

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Speaker 3: in eight percent sell off in shares yesterday for ken Vu.

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Speaker 3: Their shares I believe are not yet open while we

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Speaker 3: were recording this, so keep you guys updated.

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Speaker 1: The company is now a year to date loss of

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Speaker 1: twenty one percent, So I don't know.

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Speaker 3: By the way, it does remind me there was a

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Speaker 3: great documentary called The tail and al Killer, which was

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Speaker 3: super interesting on Netflix.

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Speaker 1: So that's the last thing. Anything you want to say

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Speaker 1: more on tailan autism any of.

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Speaker 4: That, No, I think I think they're pretty much covers it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I think it's a sad state because one

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Speaker 3: of the things that they cite that RFK sided in particular,

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Speaker 3: was like the grief of a lot of these parents,

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Speaker 3: and I think I think, first of all, I think

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Speaker 3: the medical establishment has done a lot of these people

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Speaker 3: of disservice by saying, like not lying to them, but

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Speaker 3: like kind of lecturing them, being like, it is what

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Speaker 3: it is, you know, get over it, right, And no parent,

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Speaker 3: especially as a new parents, is going to quote get

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Speaker 3: over it.

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Speaker 1: They're going to want answers.

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Speaker 3: That doesn't mean that you have to give them what

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Speaker 3: they want to hear or you know, an easy explanation.

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Speaker 3: That's kind of what I think the government did here.

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Speaker 3: And I also think that they should have considered that

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Speaker 3: for people, For women who are pregnant in America today,

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Speaker 3: it's really not easy, especially people who are working, and

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Speaker 3: so for them, I do really fear, like you said, Ryan,

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Speaker 3: this will kind of spur a level of hopelessness of

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Speaker 3: I can't take talent al you know, the last thing

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Speaker 3: you want when you're pregnant is stress, right, and now

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Speaker 3: it's about talent, all advil, diet premium. There's always there's

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Speaker 3: already so much pressure on these people.

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Speaker 1: And what I would say is make.

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Speaker 3: It easier, you know, at a system wide level, and

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Speaker 3: let's not put all the blame on the mothers or

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Speaker 3: all of the responsibility necessarily on them. I think it

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Speaker 3: should be on all of us as a society, medical system,

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Speaker 3: et cetera.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so yeah, go ahead.

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Speaker 4: Rachel Bdard has an interesting point on here, which is

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Speaker 4: curious for your take on this, that both Trump and

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Speaker 4: RFK Junior were kind of boxed in by their very

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Speaker 4: early declarations that they were going to basically get to

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Speaker 4: the bottom of this.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and I know exactly what you're talking about. I

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Speaker 1: read it this morning.

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Speaker 4: Had to come up with something, and it would have

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Speaker 4: been much more damaging if they just concocted some vaccine link,

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Speaker 4: which is far even more spurious than.

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Speaker 3: Well, what it would do is they would have to

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Speaker 3: prove it. Right, is that for this they didn't even

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Speaker 3: really prove it. They just said may and by the way,

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Speaker 3: I mean, look Tailen all used, I do think, you know,

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Speaker 3: could be important, especially if you're suffering, you know, from

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Speaker 3: a lot of pain. So this doctor, doctor, I think

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Speaker 3: of this as like harm reduction, right, That's kind of

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Speaker 3: what I was looking. That's that was from getting over

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Speaker 3: your skills. Is that if what they really wanted to

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Speaker 3: do and what they you know, the MAHA people desperately

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Speaker 3: want is they want the MMR vaccine to straight up

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Speaker 3: just be pulled. And Trump even basically said he's like,

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Speaker 3: I think the MMR should be split up. I think

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Speaker 3: it's probably whatever Exactually, I mean, let's put his comments

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Speaker 3: to the side. Like an act ctual guidance from the CDC,

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Speaker 3: the FDA and the US government, from AHHS telling doctors

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Speaker 3: and all that pull the MMR vaccine. That is actually

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Speaker 3: like just a whole other level because not only would

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Speaker 3: you have to prove it, but then you would have

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Speaker 3: any potential consequences on your hands, right, And look, I'm

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Speaker 3: not an expert on MMR. I have read all the

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Speaker 3: anti VAXX books. I also read all the pro VAXX books.

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Speaker 3: I recommend that you do that too, so you can actually, frankly,

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Speaker 3: I'll both have some horrible argumentation and really don't address

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Speaker 3: a lot of each other's points. One thing I think

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Speaker 3: is critical on this again is that more information and

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Speaker 3: more data.

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Speaker 1: One of the things RFK pledge was about more data.

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Speaker 3: But the thing is is that making macro decisions for

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Speaker 3: the entire nation without any new data, that seems a big.

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Speaker 1: Problem for me. So they threw tilt on the US FIRSUS.

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Speaker 3: Tiland all we'll see, I mean, listen, I mean they

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Speaker 3: laid the ground pretty stand pretty hard on MMR and

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Speaker 3: on the rest of them. And so my response would

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Speaker 3: be the same one that they give to the vaccine companies,

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Speaker 3: which is true, prove it, right, prove it.

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Speaker 1: So there you go.

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Speaker 3: That's what I think the standard of evidence should be

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Speaker 3: there in science.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get to Homan Shelby.

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Speaker 3: This is a This is pretty crazy, and it does

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Speaker 3: tell us a lot about the country where we are

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Speaker 3: today because it's not just Tom Homan here, who, by

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Speaker 3: the way, allegedly because he denies it, but one of

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Speaker 3: the thing kind of denies it. It strikes to the

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Speaker 3: heart of bribery laws in this country and how basically

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Speaker 3: bribery is legal. After the Supreme Court ruled in twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty four, let's go and put this up here on

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Speaker 3: the screen. You had a new report from NBC News.

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Speaker 3: They say Tom Homan was investigated for accepting fifty thousand

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Speaker 3: dollars from undercover FBI agents. Trump's DOJ shut it down.

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Speaker 3: The FBI Justice officials close the investigation if calling it

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Speaker 3: a deep state probe in early twenty twenty five. The

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Speaker 3: details are as such. Quote in an undergover op ration

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Speaker 3: last year, the FBI recorded tom Homan, now the White

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Speaker 3: House borders are accepting fifty thousand dollars in cash, after

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Speaker 3: indicating he could quote help the agents, who were posing

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Speaker 3: as business executives win government contracts. In a second Trump administration,

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Speaker 3: FBI and Justice Department planned to wait to see whether

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Speaker 3: Homan would deliver on his alleged promise once he became

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Speaker 3: the nation's top immigration official, but the case indefinitely stalled

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Speaker 3: after Trump became president In January. In recent weeks, Trump

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Speaker 3: appointees have officially closed the investigation. It's unclear what reasons

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Speaker 3: FBI and DOJ gay for shutting down, but a Trump

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Speaker 3: Justice Department appointee called the case a quote deep state probe.

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Speaker 3: The investigation was launched in West Texas in the summer

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Speaker 3: of twenty twenty four after a separate investigation claimed that

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Speaker 3: Homan was soliciting payments in exchange for awarding contracts for

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Speaker 3: Trump should he win the presidential election. The US Attorney's

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Speaker 3: Office in the Western District of Texas, working with the FBI,

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Speaker 3: asked the DOJ to join its ongoing probe into the

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Speaker 3: Borders are and the former boarders are in the former

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Speaker 3: Acting Director Immigration and ICE, Tom Homan, based on the

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Speaker 3: evidence of payment from the FBI undercover agents. What they

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Speaker 3: said is that Homan, who was act served as the

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Speaker 3: acting director of ICE early in Trump's first term, was

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Speaker 3: openly claimed during the twenty twenty four campaign he would

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Speaker 3: play a prominent role. Thus, during the investigation, they allegedly,

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Speaker 3: on September twentieth, with hidden cameras recording the scene at

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Speaker 3: a meeting spot in Texas, caught him accepting some fifty

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Speaker 3: thousand dollars in bills, according to this internal summary. They

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Speaker 3: then took the matter no further in the final months

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Speaker 3: of twenty twenty four. Now, one of the reasons why

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Speaker 3: I think that is important is that it was obviously

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Speaker 3: in September in the lead up to the presidential election,

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Speaker 3: but that the quid pro quo, if you will, had

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Speaker 3: to be proven because of the way that the bribery

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Speaker 3: laws are written. Simply accepting cash does not in and

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Speaker 3: of itself mean that it's bribery because you actually have

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Speaker 3: to deliver.

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Speaker 1: Okay, because we've changed the way that biber.

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Speaker 4: You can take a ripped them in his country.

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Speaker 1: Tom Homan did address this last night on Fox News.

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Speaker 1: Here's what he had to say.

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Speaker 9: I want to give you a chance to address this

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Speaker 9: article that came out over the weekend, and it was

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Speaker 9: on our always reliable MSNBC, and they said that you

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Speaker 9: took fifty thousand dollars in cash in a bag from

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Speaker 9: an undercover FBI agent to help them win government contracts

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Speaker 9: in Trump's second term. The DOJ said they concluded there

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Speaker 9: was no criminal wrongdoing, but nevertheless, that story is out there,

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Speaker 9: and I imagine you want to respond to that.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely.

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Speaker 10: Look, I did nothing criminal.

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Speaker 6: I did nothing illegal, and.

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Speaker 10: This hit piece after hit piece after hit peace, and

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Speaker 10: I'm glad the FBI and dj came out and said,

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Speaker 10: and you know, as said that nothing illegal happened and nothing,

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Speaker 10: you know, no criminal activity. You're talking about guys spent

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Speaker 10: thirty four years in forcing them law. I mean, I

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Speaker 10: left the very successful business that I ran to come

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Speaker 10: back and work for a government again. I'm back on

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Speaker 10: a government paycheck.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 10: Only did I sacrifice my homie, home, my family, sacker vices.

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Speaker 10: I make sacrifices every day. I got more death threats

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Speaker 10: than anybody I got to mean, But guess what, my

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Speaker 10: kids don't, my wife don't. I mean, I haven't lived

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Speaker 10: with my wife in months because I don't want her

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Speaker 10: to be here right now with all the threats. So,

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Speaker 10: after all the sacrifices, after serving my nation all this year,

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Speaker 10: they want to come out and dirting me up.

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Speaker 6: And it's not going in.

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Speaker 10: There's a hit piece on me every two weeks, but

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Speaker 10: keep coming because you know what, Tom Holman isn't going anywhere.

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Speaker 10: Tom Holman isn't shutting up. And Tom Holman's don't keep

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Speaker 10: doing anything he's doing because work with President Trump's the

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Speaker 10: greatest on in my life. We're making this country safer again.

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Speaker 10: Every day. We're gonna keep doing it.

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Speaker 3: Kind of a non denial denial there, because what he

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Speaker 3: didn't say is I never took the money. What he

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Speaker 3: said is I did nothing criminal. I did nothing illegal,

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Speaker 3: which I mean technically true.

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Speaker 1: Right so far, so far. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It does raise the question though about those tapes and

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Speaker 3: whether they exist honestly at or not. So you know,

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Speaker 3: if you're in the FBI and it's time to put

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Speaker 3: up or shut up, you should release it. If not,

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Speaker 3: I mean according to them, they've got it on camera

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Speaker 3: and they've got it on tape. Now maybe the FBI listened.

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Speaker 3: You know, you wouldn't put it as this FBI to

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Speaker 3: delete it. But the reason why it is important is

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Speaker 3: that Homan has always stressed his impartiality and his government

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Speaker 3: service and that he would never accept any quid pro

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Speaker 3: quo or anything in service of his potential service and government.

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Speaker 3: Here's what we previously said on Bill Maher show.

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Speaker 10: If you want to send the message to the whole

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Speaker 10: world across the board illegally, it's a crime, that's okay.

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Speaker 10: Had to process, get order removed by an immigration. Just

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Speaker 10: don't leave. It's okay. Just don't commit another crime. You're

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Speaker 10: good to go. If that's the message we send to

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Speaker 10: the whole world, people are going to keep coming. And

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Speaker 10: let me tell you something. There's a whole illegal migration,

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Speaker 10: not a victim's crime. But that's why you have to

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Speaker 10: show these consequences, because if you send a message there's

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Speaker 10: no consequences and you want to reward a legal behavior,

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Speaker 10: that dot corner is right out.

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Speaker 3: So that's the question there about rewarding behavior if you

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Speaker 3: don't show any consequences. And then finally, the White House

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Speaker 3: itself also issued a flat denial that it never took

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Speaker 3: place ever a little bit again than what Tom Holman said,

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Speaker 3: take a listen to Caroline Levitt.

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Speaker 11: Did the President ask the Justice Department to close the

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Speaker 11: case and does Holman have to return the fifty thousand dollars, Well,

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Speaker 11: mister Homan never took the fifty thousand dollars that you're

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Speaker 11: referring to, So you should get your fact straight. Number one,

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Speaker 11: number two. This was another example of the weaponization of

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Speaker 11: the Biden Department of Justice against one of President Trump's

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Speaker 11: strongest and most vocal supporters in the midst of a

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Speaker 11: presidential campaign, you had FBI agents going undercover to try

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Speaker 11: and and trap one of the president's top allies and supporter,

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Speaker 11: someone who they knew very well would be taking a

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Speaker 11: government position months later. Mister Homan did absolutely nothing wrong,

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Speaker 11: and even the President's Department of Justice, even cash Ptel's

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Speaker 11: FBI looked into this, just to make sure. They had

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Speaker 11: a number of different prosecutors and FBI agents who looked

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Speaker 11: into this. They found zero evidence of a legal activity

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Speaker 11: or criminal wrongdoing in the White House. And the President

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Speaker 11: stand by Tom Holman one hundred percent because he did

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Speaker 11: absolutely nothing wrong and he is a brave public servant

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Speaker 11: who has done a phenomenal job in helping the President

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Speaker 11: shut down the border.

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Speaker 3: They say, mister Homan never took the fifty thousand dollars,

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Speaker 3: so Ryan, that seems to be the crux of the question.

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Speaker 4: So I think there was a string on the cash,

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Speaker 4: and so when he wasn't looking, they kind of reeled

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Speaker 4: it back in. I do want to talk about the

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Speaker 4: bribery laws, but first, my spider senses up on this

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Speaker 4: story for a couple of reasons.

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Speaker 3: Here, did you notice who broke the story? Ken Denlan

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Speaker 3: No oh sorry, he's.

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Speaker 4: The second byline. Carol Lenning, who for twenty five years

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Speaker 4: the Washington Post was the Washington Post star investigative reporter

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Speaker 4: with three Polis Serprizes under her belt. Now, so she

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Speaker 4: leaves the Washington Post after this long, storied career and

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Speaker 4: then within a month has published this massive story about

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Speaker 4: Tom Homan. Obviously, she did not leave the Washington Post

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Speaker 4: and then have some source say I was just waiting

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Speaker 4: for you to go to MSNBC to give you this

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Speaker 4: incredible tip, and then she writes it with Ken Delanyan. No,

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Speaker 4: she clearly had the story for some reason, she did

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Speaker 4: not write it at the Washington Post. There is obviously

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Speaker 4: a story there. Why flag Why did she not write

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Speaker 4: it at the Washington Separately. In the original reporting, it

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Speaker 4: said that Holman was caught accidentally kind of he was

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Speaker 4: kind of swept up in a broader FBI investigation. And

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Speaker 4: so this happens in September twenty twenty four, even though

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Speaker 4: it's you know, they don't have let's say, they don't

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Speaker 4: have the crime or the indictment yet they could still

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Speaker 4: leak it. It's September of the election year. This will

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Speaker 4: just be a big problem for Trump. They decided not

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Speaker 4: do that, so they didn't leak it, and he was

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Speaker 4: swept up kind of accidentally by chance in this investigation.

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Speaker 4: That means whoever they were actually whatever, whoever or what

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Speaker 4: they were actually going after was much bigger than Tom Holman.

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Speaker 4: Oh interesting, and Tom Holman. You think Tom Holman's a

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Speaker 4: big fish?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he is big?

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Speaker 4: What kind of fish is bigger than Tom Holman? And

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Speaker 4: if Lenning had this for a significant amount of time,

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Speaker 4: chances are not just there's a story within the Washington Post,

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Speaker 4: but she too was probably hunting, like what's the bigger

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Speaker 4: story here? Bigger than Like that's a good story.

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Speaker 3: Right, See, Like for people who are listening or watching,

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Speaker 3: that is very important for the inside to kind of

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Speaker 3: TikTok of how this stuff happens. This happened a year ago,

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Speaker 3: right at this point, So almost a year ago September

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Speaker 3: twenty third that we're recording right now. So how long

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Speaker 3: has she sat on it?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 3: You would think if you get caught on camera and

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Speaker 3: I'm Biden, I'm leaking that tomorrow, you know before they So, yeah,

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Speaker 3: what's going on with that?

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Speaker 12: Right?

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Speaker 1: I Mean I'm not saying that's a just thing? It

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Speaker 1: shouldn't work that way. But let's be honest. In the

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Speaker 1: in the lead up to the election.

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Speaker 4: I mean Trump would leak it, right, of course he would.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you kind of would be an idiot

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Speaker 3: not to They are idiots, not so you Yeah wow,

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Speaker 3: So yeah.

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Speaker 1: What were they chasing? That was bigger?

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Speaker 3: Also, did you note the jurisdiction West Texas? Yes, that's weird, right,

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Speaker 3: And the reason why that's weird to me is like

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Speaker 3: that is deep red country.

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Speaker 1: That's like R plus fifty five country.

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Speaker 3: So even the US Attorney and I get it there

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Speaker 3: radical probably Democrats, et cetera. But you know, even there,

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Speaker 3: that's like some sensitivity and the FBI agents and the

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Speaker 3: jurisdiction and all that. So yeah, I would have to

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Speaker 3: try and put it together.

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Speaker 4: If I had to. Yeah, I get they must have

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Speaker 4: been running buck wild in West Texas, assume, which is

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Speaker 4: classic for West Texas, exactly culturally appropriate, just assuming like

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Speaker 4: that they're on the landman, and like there are no laws.

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Speaker 4: They're just going to bring the National Guard out.

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Speaker 3: There are no laws out there, Ryan, because there's no

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Speaker 3: law men, all right, that's Ian's landman.

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Speaker 4: And so somehow some lawmen got out there, We're like, whoa,

869
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Speaker 4: this is still the United States of America. And then

870
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 4: somebody was like, actually, no, it's not right. This is

871
00:42:58,880 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 4: West Texas.

872
00:42:59,719 --> 00:42:59,959
Speaker 1: Well.

873
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,879
Speaker 3: Listen, let's track it. From My response is release the tapes, man.

874
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:05,800
Speaker 3: You know now we've got some more tapes. If you

875
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 3: did nothing wrong, release it.

876
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: Let's see it.

877
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 3: Let's see what happened your interaction with the FBI agents

878
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 3: and all that. People have a right to know whether

879
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,399
Speaker 3: the people in charge are corrupt, but plot twists they are.

880
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 3: But you know, look, also, it's cartoonish. Anybody who is

881
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 3: dumb enough to accept fifty thousand dollars in cash and

882
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 3: a Kama bag like you have no reasonable You shouldn't

883
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 3: even be close to power, Okay, right.

884
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 4: Because one argument would be, well, it's a consulting contract.

885
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, in catch yeah, kava bag, yeah right. The only

886
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,280
Speaker 3: thing I want my Comma bag or my Harisa chips.

887
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 3: Real kava heads. Know. The shadow is so good, they're

888
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 3: so good, they're so good. All right, let's talk about

889
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 3: bribery laws. I want you specifically to explain some of

890
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 3: this out to me. Let's put this up here on

891
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 3: the screen from SCOTUSblog. This is June twenty twenty four.

892
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 3: We covered this heavy at the time. Actually, the Supreme

893
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 3: Court has now limited scope of antibribery laws. So what

894
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 3: they ruled is that the federal antibribery law does not

895
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 3: make it a crime for state and local officials to

896
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 3: quote accept a gratuity for acts that they have already taken.

897
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 3: They wrote for a six justice majority that the state

898
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 3: local governments officials already have to regulate gifts to officials,

899
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 3: so the federal law does not supplant supplement those state

900
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 3: and local laws by subjecting some nineteen million state local

901
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 3: officials up to ten years in federal prison for accepting

902
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 3: even commonplace gratuity. But this builds on other Supreme Court decisions,

903
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 3: including that Virginia governor case about what was a Bob

904
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,320
Speaker 3: McDonald right, where it eventually was overturned because the standards

905
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 3: now are it's kind of like defamation for media, like

906
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 3: you have to prove that not only were they accepting

907
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 3: the money, they were doing so for an explicit quid

908
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 3: pro quo, that that quid pro quo was real, it

909
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 3: was promised, and it was deliverable. And all of this

910
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 3: is being caught on audio on video where they're like, I.

911
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 1: Am accepting this so that you will get X, Y

912
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: and Z.

913
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 3: It's no longer even like the original Menendez case, where

914
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 3: it's obviously corrupt to be flying around on private jets.

915
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 4: And then help a guy and help a guy out.

916
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I mean, come on, like you would know

917
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:10,919
Speaker 3: that for anybody. But that didn't the lower Yeah, yeah,

918
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 3: well that that case, I think they found were found guilty.

919
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 4: Because it was in the McDonald case. They also redefined

920
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 4: what a quote official acts is. Remember what McDonald did.

921
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 4: He like made phone calls for the guy he had meet.

922
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 4: He had like a meet, like a meeting at the

923
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 4: governor's mansion for him. This is basically a supplement maker

924
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:33,879
Speaker 4: gave him like one hundred and seventy five grand worth

925
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 4: of gifts and in exchange, McDonald and also arranged meetings

926
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 4: with lawmakers that he that he wanted. So McDonald calls

927
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 4: up and says, hey, like, my guy's got a problem,

928
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 4: can you meet with him and fix this problem? And

929
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 4: what the Supreme Court and they did it and he

930
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 4: paid for that. What the Supreme Court says, none of

931
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:57,800
Speaker 4: those are official acts. It's like what the governor arranging

932
00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 4: a meeting with the lawmen.

933
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,439
Speaker 3: The scope, the definition in all of these cases makes

934
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 3: it so.

935
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: Impossible you have to have a contract.

936
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 3: I was talking with Crystal about this, and shit. Her

937
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 3: theory was that one of the reasons Biden and them

938
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 3: didn't bring the case was the same thing. He's like,

939
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 3: well he didn't deliver the quid pro Well, we're not

940
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 3: going to win, right and right exactly, it's not even officials.

941
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.

942
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 3: That's it's sick honestly, the way that we've basically legalized

943
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 3: corruption here. But whatever, So that's the story. You can

944
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 3: track it for what it is. Maybe it's a deep

945
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 3: state hit job or not. Easy way to prove it.

946
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 3: Just release the tape, you know, just tell us what's

947
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 3: in the tape. If you're caught on camera accepting the

948
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 3: fifty thousand dollars cash in kava bag, you're corrupt in

949
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 3: my eyes.

950
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: That's just maybe not in the eyes of the law.

951
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 3: And I think that, you know, public officials should of

952
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,720
Speaker 3: course be held to the highest standard. If a media

953
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 3: official did that and it ever leaked from Progress where

954
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 3: Veritas or whatever.

955
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 1: We'd be like, hey, come on, what's going on this? Yeah,

956
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: it was like, we can't do this, you're bringing people

957
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: the news.

958
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 3: It's like ten thousand times less important than actually running

959
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 3: the government.

960
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: All right, let's get over to the economy.

961
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 3: We're going to start here with the story that Ryan

962
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 3: flagged Representative Don Bacon from Nebraska sounding the alarm on tariffs,

963
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 3: potentially showing some other broader problems in the economy.

964
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.

965
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 12: Most people will tell you this is not your emergency powers.

966
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:22,919
Speaker 8: What he's doing, and is it hurting your constituents?

967
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 12: Yes, right, we heard just yesterday. We have a company

968
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 12: that makes combines. They're moving all of their manufacturing that

969
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 12: makes combines for Canada to Europe because of the tariffs

970
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 12: from going to US to Cana too high. They can't compete,

971
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 12: so they're going to move all the manufacturing for Canadian

972
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 12: combines to Europe. That's hundreds of jobs right there. Iowa

973
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 12: and Nebraska are really struggling right now with our farm economy.

974
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:50,439
Speaker 12: We're not growing markets for corner soybeans. The presence making

975
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 12: trade deals, but not a single country that I can

976
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 12: see has bought more corner soybeans, and that's what we

977
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 12: really need right now. Tariffs aren't working. At least the

978
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 12: coffee well, I went to black coffee, but I came

979
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 12: back and from my apartment and it was up four

980
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,879
Speaker 12: dollars to the bag that I buy. Right, people, that's

981
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,280
Speaker 12: not that's not success right there?

982
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 3: What'd you make of that, run Don Bacon. I mean,

983
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 3: let's contextualize him. He is, you know, to say Republican,

984
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 3: it's like moderate republican, not even come on, not moderate,

985
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:20,800
Speaker 3: like mass liberal republican.

986
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,280
Speaker 1: Yeah there you go. No, but it's because it's not social.

987
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 3: It's like pro Ukraine, Neocon, low taxes, all of that.

988
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 3: So I just want to contextualize that for the audience.

989
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 3: That said, any retiring Republican has a lot more ability

990
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 3: to speak freely, asked Tom Tillis. So I'm finding it

991
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,720
Speaker 3: interesting some of the things that they're saying potentially about

992
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 3: you know, blinking red lights, not just in the economy

993
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 3: in their district, and potentially for what.

994
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: That could mean for the midterms.

995
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 4: So he's and he also has his finger on the

996
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 4: pulse of the economy back in Nebraska.

997
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair.

998
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 4: And so I called a couple of combine there's not

999
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 4: many combine manufacturers out in Nebraska, and I found the

1000
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 4: one because there haven't actually been any news reports. Yeah,

1001
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 4: it's And from the guy that I talked to on

1002
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 4: the phone, it seemed.

1003
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 3: Like they were like, oh, they can kind of oh

1004
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 3: he kind of let the cat out.

1005
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, we were just kind of letting him know. And

1006
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 4: now all the workers are finding out about it, you know,

1007
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:15,800
Speaker 4: through him telling Montraju on CNN. But the company I

1008
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 4: can report here is called Klaus It's a German Uh,

1009
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 4: it's a German company that was founded in like nineteen

1010
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 4: thirteen that opened and Omaha opened its Omaha plant in

1011
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 4: nineteen ninety nine, does have hundreds and hundreds of employees.

1012
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:30,879
Speaker 4: They said they'd get me as they're going to try

1013
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 4: to get me a statement. We'll see if it comes

1014
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 4: in by the end of this segment on the details

1015
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 4: of what's going on. And he said, you know, the

1016
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 4: impression that he left was that they're closing the entire plant.

1017
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 4: But if you listen very closely to what he said,

1018
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 4: the manufacturing that they're doing of combines for Canada is

1019
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 4: being moved to Europe. So it's not the So if

1020
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,959
Speaker 4: you work in this plant and you and you work

1021
00:49:55,400 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 4: on combines for the domestic market, then your job might

1022
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 4: be safe. But the plant itself is going to shrink

1023
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:08,240
Speaker 4: significantly because if you are a manufacturer, you are trying

1024
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 4: to not just build for the American domestic economy, you're

1025
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 4: trying to export your products too. And think about it,

1026
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 4: if you're an European company and you're making for the

1027
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 4: Canadian market, you want to open a plant up in

1028
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 4: Nebraska so that after you make the combine, you throw

1029
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 4: it on a truck. Not cheap to move a combine.

1030
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:34,240
Speaker 4: You know, of course it's huge, but if you're in Nebraska,

1031
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 4: it's a little bit better. And so for the last

1032
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 4: twenty six years, it made sense for them to make

1033
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 4: combines for the Canadian market right there in Nebraska. And

1034
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 4: now they're saying, because of the tariffs, that doesn't make

1035
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 4: sense anymore. And they already have manufacturing capacity in Europe.

1036
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 4: They have a France production. Are German companies that have

1037
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 4: got German plants. So they're going to hire more European workers,

1038
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 4: and then they'll pay a little extra in the shipping

1039
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 4: just to put them on a boat, not that much

1040
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 4: and get them on the boat and get them over

1041
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 4: and then you sell them to Canada and we're out,

1042
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 4: and those those Nebraskans are then out of work at

1043
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 4: the same time, company John Deere, Caterpillar, all these others

1044
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 4: have said that they are suffering because farmers can't sell you.

1045
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 4: They keep farmers keep talking about how by this time

1046
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 4: of the year they're starting to do soybean harvesting like

1047
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 4: they have usually locked in contracts for.

1048
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: And that's a big Chinese market, just to explain to.

1049
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 4: Like, China eats something like two thirds of soybeans in

1050
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 4: the world, and they buy a huge amount of that

1051
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 4: from the US and from Brazil. And this year they

1052
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:50,240
Speaker 4: have booked and it shows how effectively China can control

1053
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 4: it its commercial sector. They have booked zero contracts in

1054
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 4: the United States. And now all these American farmers are

1055
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:02,240
Speaker 4: sitting there with so mean they are then not buying

1056
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 4: combines and tractors and other capital upgrades for their farms

1057
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 4: for the for the coming years. Just and actually we

1058
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 4: can get to I think the White House responded to that,

1059
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 4: we can go to C two here speaking of the

1060
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 4: kind of economy kind of and Trump's management of it

1061
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 4: coming apart of seems like you know, they recently he

1062
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 4: was frustrated by he was ironically frustrated that the BLS

1063
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 4: data was showing a weaker economy than he wanted, and

1064
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:39,280
Speaker 4: there were some revisions that were downward. I say ironically

1065
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 4: because it was those downer revisions and the lower numbers

1066
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 4: that finally gave him the thing that he wanted, which

1067
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 4: was the the Federal Reserve interest rate cut. But he

1068
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,280
Speaker 4: was so outraged that the low numbers that he brings

1069
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 4: in a new BLS guy absolutely just objectively unqualified for

1070
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 4: it and now is just out here postponing without explanation.

1071
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, the BLS said, here's what they said.

1072
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 3: The annual release of consumer data set for Tuesday will

1073
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:13,439
Speaker 3: be rescheduled to a later date.

1074
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: We will update users when more information is available.

1075
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 3: Then they said that the report was being delayed to

1076
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 3: a quote data quality issue and will now be out

1077
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 3: October thirtieth, so the day before Halloween. So I guess

1078
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 3: it'll be a fun day to actually cover what's going on.

1079
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 3: As you said, Ryan, great job, very interesting story there

1080
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 3: on the combine kind of a microcosm of some of

1081
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,439
Speaker 3: the ill conceived way that this is all going down

1082
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 3: On the spending level. We're also seeing some of this

1083
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Speaker 3: put C four please up on the screen. Low income

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Speaker 3: Americans are slashing spending worrying sign for the economy. We

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Speaker 3: talked about this a little bit earlier, but just want

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Speaker 3: to continue to hammer it home. Spending is softening in

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Speaker 3: a fragmented way, with wealthy Americans also scaling back in

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Speaker 3: some ways. A US consumer spending is not just softening overall,

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Speaker 3: it's doing so in a fragmented way. If the benefits

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Speaker 3: and the pressures are not shared broadly, then we're looking

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Speaker 3: not looking at a balanced or a healthy state of

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Speaker 3: the US consumer base. Working class Americans, already up against

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Speaker 3: waning wage growth, rising house and electricity costs, are burning

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Speaker 3: any are burned by any increase in grocery prices, tear

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Speaker 3: fueld increase on household staples, apparel, and furniture, increasingly dipping

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00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 3: into savings, racking up more debt, pulling back on discretionary spending. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 3: those in the middle and upper income tiers are being

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Speaker 3: more strategic about when to make big purchases, buying in

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Speaker 3: bulk and shopping at cheaper retailers. Of Moody's Retail analysts

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Speaker 3: ITS said that the Walmart Dollar generals of the world

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00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 3: have told investors they are picking up share among wealthier

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Speaker 3: consumers where themselves also looking for bargains, and that the

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Speaker 3: highest earners still are the only people holding up consumer

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Speaker 3: spending and accounts for some seventy percent of gross domestic product,

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Speaker 3: so it's a narrower base. The top ten percent of

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Speaker 3: earners making two and fifty thousand dollars or more annually

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Speaker 3: account for some forty nine point two percent of spending

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Speaker 3: in the second quarter. That is up from forty five

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Speaker 3: point eight percent during the same period two years ago.

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Speaker 1: So top ten percent spending fifty percent of the money.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a problem, and some of that's some of

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Speaker 4: that change is going to be sticky. Those rich people

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Speaker 4: get into Walmart, they're gonna be like, yeah, place pretty good,

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Speaker 4: stick around. They got a lot of stuff. I wouldn't though.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty good. But you know, it's not just the good.

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00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 4: Isn't the work? Yeah, yeah, I love Walmart? But what's

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00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 4: really punching people in the face. And we could put

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Speaker 4: up this next element. I think it's C five are

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Speaker 4: people's electric bills.

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Speaker 1: This is really a totally under discussed thing. Nobody, nobody

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Speaker 1: in mainstream media is talking about this. It's crazy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it is totally crazy if you look.

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Speaker 4: And so twenty twenty two. You guys have been watching

1124
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 4: this program, you can probably figure out what happened there.

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Speaker 4: Russia invaded Ukraine and that sent natural gas and broadly,

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Speaker 4: you know, sent electriricity prices absolutely skyrocketing. They then they

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Speaker 4: then level off. After that, you're looking at a confluence

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Speaker 4: of things, data centers and the gobbling up of electricity

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Speaker 4: by AI being a significant part of it. And as

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Speaker 4: we warned about on this program, while Trump was and

1131
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 4: Republicans were working on the Big Beautiful Bill, they actively

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Speaker 4: stripped away subsidies for clean energy. Over the last several years,

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Speaker 4: clean energy has represented something like seventy to eighty percent

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Speaker 4: of new energy brought onto the market. So if you're

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00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 4: not bringing on that new energy and you're not actually

1136
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 4: ramping up like it's not as if people think that

1137
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 4: Biden was stopping them from drilling or whatever. No, they

1138
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:50,760
Speaker 4: were drilling like crazy. There's not Actually you're not actually

1139
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 4: going to drill anymore. And ironically, and sager yel like

1140
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Speaker 4: this the way that so we've cut off, we're telling

1141
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Speaker 4: Europe and other places do not buy Russian natural gas

1142
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Speaker 4: by our natural gas. As a result, we are paying

1143
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Speaker 4: more for natural gas.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I highlighted this.

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Speaker 5: Ryan.

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Speaker 3: I talked about this until I was blue in the

1147
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Speaker 3: face at the time. I go, why are we exporting

1148
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 3: natural gas? We're the one we make all Russia. Why

1149
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 3: don't we just use it for ourselves? And they're like, oh, well,

1150
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 3: that's not how the global commodity markets work.

1151
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, okay, well.

1152
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 4: Tell this part that's not yeah global commodities.

1153
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 3: Well no, they were like, well, you can't do that

1154
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 3: because it would disrupt the global commodities market, et cetera.

1155
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 3: And I was like, okay, well, then put a tariff

1156
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 3: or something on it and make them pay more for it,

1157
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 3: at least right to make sure that we have to

1158
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Speaker 3: pay a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Like Nope, that's totally out of the question.

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Speaker 3: Let's all just eat it so that the Dunboss region

1161
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 3: can be five percent more Ukrainian for a month. That's

1162
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Speaker 3: basically what the US policy was. It still drives me nuts.

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Speaker 3: It's not all Ukraine. It was largely back in twenty

1164
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Speaker 3: twenty two, but nowadays it's data centers. We got to

1165
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 3: go and put C six up here on the screen

1166
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 3: because this, again is one of the most underdiscussed issues,

1167
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 3: which is these data centers are popping up everywhere, actually

1168
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Speaker 3: here where we live, right, This is data in the

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00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 3: capital of the world. Because of the government and Amazon

1170
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 3: and all these people have all these contracts. The government

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00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 3: has the largest data centers in the world, on top

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Speaker 3: of the big tech companies like Meta and Google. Everybody

1173
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Speaker 3: in the AI race en video. Yeah, we have the

1174
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Speaker 3: NSA and all of that. But I'm talking about it's

1175
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Speaker 3: not just a Northern Virginia problem or a Maryland problem. Now,

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Speaker 3: it's like American it's down in Texas, which has its

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Speaker 3: own grid that's separate from everybody else. But what we

1178
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 3: know is that increasing numbers of states are under major

1179
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Speaker 3: pressure from households and from normal businesses who are saying, hey,

1180
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 3: these people are buying all the power, and our rates

1181
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 3: are going up like crazy. And these data centers actually

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Speaker 3: strategically often pick low tax, more rural areas, which why

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00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 3: wouldn't you, Yeah, right, if you're for business purposes. But

1184
00:58:56,800 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 3: that puts a huge strain on the Texas specifically, right, Like, look, Texas,

1185
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 3: the grid situation down there, it's a disaster. We can

1186
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 3: fight about that all day long, whether we you go nuclear, renewable, whatever,

1187
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 3: the point is, we need more power, all right. And

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Speaker 3: what is interesting about it is that it's starting to

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00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 3: become a ground up campaign of just normal people looking

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Speaker 3: at their electric bills and like, hey, this is out

1191
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 3: of control, this is totally crazy. And it's California, Texas, Wyoming,

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Speaker 3: you know, I mean places out in the middle of

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Speaker 3: flyover country which often will have a data center park there,

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00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 3: and then two to three years later they're just watching

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Speaker 3: the spike go up. And actually they have all kinds

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Speaker 3: of other problems too, with data centers that aren't nearby.

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Speaker 3: And it's the trade off where of course it's great

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Speaker 3: for Silicon Valley, it's great for Nvidious stock price, but

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Speaker 3: maybe it's not so great for the rest of us.

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Speaker 3: And you know, maybe if you're going to be buying,

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Speaker 3: if you're going to be building these data centers and

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Speaker 3: supposedly pumping all this money into the local economy, it's like, well,

1203
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Speaker 3: maybe you should be required to invest a little bit

1204
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Speaker 3: into power and all this other stuff.

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Speaker 1: But we would never think of that, would we run No.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And also, like the way that a lot of

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Speaker 4: these counties work, it's legal for some of these county

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Speaker 4: commissioners to be consultants, right at the same time, and

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Speaker 4: state lawmakers like in Florida, for instance, are literally able

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Speaker 4: to draw a salary as a state lawmaker and also

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Speaker 4: be lobbyists for some data center company or whatever. And

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Speaker 4: so then you you know, you only have to if

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Speaker 4: you are building a data center somewhere in Wyoming, you'll

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Speaker 4: give three county commissioners one hundred grand each for a

1215
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Speaker 4: consulting fee. What do they do for the consulting fee?

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Speaker 4: They vote yes on your data center, and then the

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01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 4: company rights the rules so that they get access. They

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Speaker 4: get privileged access to cheap energy, but also reliable energy

1219
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Speaker 4: like if I just said if but you know what

1220
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 4: it's when it's when we don't have the power to

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Speaker 4: feed both the residential homes and the normal businesses in

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Speaker 4: that area and the data center, the data center will

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Speaker 4: keep running and y'all will get a rolling blackout.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: One of the highlighted stats here, which is just to

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Speaker 3: put this in perspective, some of these data centers require

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Speaker 3: more electricity than cities the size of Pittsburgh, Cleveland, or

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Speaker 3: New Orleans make huge factories look tiny by comparison, pushing

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Speaker 3: policy makers to rethink a system that has spread transmission

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Speaker 3: costs among classes of consumers proportional to electricity use.

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Speaker 4: And then they rethink and they're like, let me look

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Speaker 4: at that contract and they're like, oh, this contract is not.

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Speaker 3: And time for my daily China does it a better way.

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Speaker 3: I follow these AI researchers and others that go to

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Speaker 3: China and they kind of report back for the US

1236
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Speaker 3: financial industry just to check back, and they're like, Hey,

1237
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Speaker 3: what's China doing. And they ask because they presume that

1238
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 3: everybody else has our problems. They're like, what are you

1239
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 3: guys going to do about power?

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01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 1: They're like, what do you mean? We have plenty of power,

1241
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Speaker 1: Like we're not worried about power, Like this is they said,

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01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 1: quote electricity here is a solved problem.

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Speaker 3: Now it's dirty, all right. I mean not all of

1244
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 3: it's nice. Some of it's solar, which is filthy to

1245
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 3: create some of its hydro.

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Speaker 1: Some of it's coal. They don't give a shit whether

1247
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Speaker 1: it's coal, nuclear, or anything.

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Speaker 3: They don't have any of the Sunrise people campaigning against

1249
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 3: nuclear power plants or any of that stuff. But the

1250
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 3: point is is that that's possible in elsewhere in the world.

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01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:23,080
Speaker 3: They don't think about power. They think it's cheap, plentiful.

1252
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 3: And the reason why that's important is that if you

1253
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 3: want to build a future on top of something, that's

1254
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 3: what infrastructure matters for. That's what the original grid system

1255
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 3: of the United States of America was kind of laid

1256
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Speaker 3: out after the post New Deal era, is like the

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Speaker 3: backbone of which all of us can build better lives

1258
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 3: on top of. Not to be kind of you know,

1259
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Speaker 3: commoditized and bought entirely by some data center and then

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Speaker 3: spread the costs to the rest of us.

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Speaker 4: And the big beautiful bill actively aggressively targeted renewable energy

1262
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 4: projects for destruction. That's true, like it's said, and it

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Speaker 4: was loosened up a tiny bit at the very end,

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01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 4: but it's basically said, if your project is not operational,

1265
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Speaker 4: like producing energy within like sixty days of the chassage

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Speaker 4: of this bill, you're done forget it. Which is none

1267
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 4: of them like that, You don't just you know, people

1268
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 4: are trying to figure out ways to fake it, like Okay,

1269
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Speaker 4: well we'll plug in like a car battery to a

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Speaker 4: solar panel and say we're producing energy. But that's based

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01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 4: on so but most companies are like, all right, well,

1272
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Speaker 4: America is not a place that supports the development of

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Speaker 4: new energy projects.

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Speaker 3: So well go it's I mean, the big beautiful bill thing.

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Speaker 3: I don't disagree with you. I think there was a

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01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 3: very stupid way about them. I was say, yeah, it's

1277
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Speaker 3: not all like it. Also, it's my issue more with

1278
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 3: it is that they go all in on solar and wind.

1279
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 3: I've done endless number of segments here. Why solar and

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01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 3: wind I think alone or not the answer. I think

1281
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 3: nuclear is the obvious answer. By the way, the Trump administration, hey,

1282
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:53,479
Speaker 3: make big promises on nuclear, still haven't seen a damn

1283
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 3: thing happen on it, just so everybody knows. So it's

1284
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 3: like like they are delivering. By the net effect is

1285
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 3: basically a gift to the oil and gas industry, which look,

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01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:04,320
Speaker 3: I'm not ideologically opposed to the oil and gas industry.

1287
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Speaker 3: I just don't think it's nearly as efficient as a

1288
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 3: lot of other different types and the and yeah.

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Speaker 1: Right exactly.

1290
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 3: It's just like everyone I think should compete on its

1291
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:13,720
Speaker 3: own and we can make the most efficient type of power.

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Speaker 1: It seems to me the nuclear is obviously the answer.

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Speaker 3: And yet you know, we have all kinds of ideological

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Speaker 3: reasons for why that doesn't happen. But that's kind of

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Speaker 3: the issue is if you just take away and you

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Speaker 3: don't add them prices.

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Speaker 1: Right, that's the key thing that's problem.

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Speaker 4: The bill tilted the playing field against clean energy, Wasn't

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Speaker 4: that it said, Okay, we're all going to compete on

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Speaker 4: a level playing field. It's like, no, we're going to

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Speaker 4: make it easier for fossil fuels, subsidize them. We're going

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Speaker 4: to make it harder for this, Like, why are you

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Speaker 4: making harder for any energy when.

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Speaker 1: Right, yeah, we just needed more power.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so we're getting rolling blackouts and you're just gonna

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Speaker 4: have to deal with it.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if we're going to get rolling blackouts,

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Speaker 3: but we will get rolling What was the what happened

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Speaker 3: before the rolling blackouts in California? It was like sky

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Speaker 3: high bills, right, you know, people were paying like four

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Speaker 3: hundred dollars in like two thousand two money, which is

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Speaker 3: like two thousand dollars today for their electric bills.

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Speaker 1: Man, I don't I don't even know. H