1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 2: From Indianapolis, home of the NFL Scouting Combine, we begin 3 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 2: a three episode series of Move the Sticks. 4 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 3: What's up, everybody. Great to be back here with you, Ret. 5 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 2: Lewis, Bucky Brooks, Lanzerline, like we have been for the 6 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 2: last couple of years, bringing you the biggest and best 7 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 2: info from. 8 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 3: The day's workouts. 9 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 2: As everything got started on Thursday with the defensive line, 10 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 2: defensive tackles, edge defenders, and linebackers. So that's what our 11 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 2: focus is today looking back at Thursday. I'll also have 12 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 2: a little brief preview of what's to come here on Friday. 13 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 2: But guys, I mean, we are in the Hoosier State, 14 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 2: so it just makes sense that we talk about the 15 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 2: heaviest guy that ran the fastest forty, you know, talking 16 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 2: about the heaviest guy that ran a sub five forty 17 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 2: from that defensive tackle class. 18 00:00:57,640 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 3: Since we're in the Hoosier state. 19 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 2: Talking about the college football Playoff participant in Indiana Hoosiers 20 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 2: and CJ. 21 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 4: West right, I mean, like that's where you guys lead. 22 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 4: That's what we wanted to talk about. So the algorithm 23 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 4: is going to say move. The Sick podcast talks about CJ. 24 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 4: West being a big CJ. 25 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: Wes stuff in my timeline and rightly so. 26 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 2: So I thought that was, by the way, a really 27 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 2: impressive time. Ran four nine to five at three hundred 28 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 2: and sixteen pounds. He can move, and so I think that's, 29 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 2: you know, it was a really important thing for him 30 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:32,839 Speaker 2: to showcase, to put all that into his draft profile. 31 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 2: But look, I mean we saw some incredible times, some 32 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 2: incredible jumps. 33 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 3: Out of this group. 34 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:40,479 Speaker 2: What we're going to get to all of those numbers here, 35 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 2: but let's start with the big guys who hit the 36 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 2: field and hit the turf first. Look, I think one 37 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 2: of the hot one of the headlines was, all right, 38 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 2: we didn't see Mason Graham, we didn't see Kenneth Grant 39 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 2: or Walter Nolan, you know, three guys that are that 40 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 2: are first round pick type of players at that position. 41 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,279 Speaker 2: But from the d tackles, Bucky, what kind of stood 42 00:01:58,280 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 2: out to you from that group? 43 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 5: Well, and you're just seeing big guys who can run fast, 44 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 5: are always gonna get paid, and seeing so many athletic 45 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 5: big bodies, to me, it just tells you where the 46 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 5: league is going. And we'll eventually get to the part 47 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 5: where we start talking about these players. But when I 48 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 5: look at a big guy like a Derek Harmon that 49 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 5: can move like that, and then the computer spits out 50 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 5: his comp is Chris Jones, that kind of tells you 51 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 5: what we're dealing. 52 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 6: With on the front line. 53 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 5: And as everybody is still trying to process what the 54 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 5: Philadelphia Eagles have done and what they become by investing 55 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 5: in the front lines, you just know that we're gonna 56 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 5: have a run early on big body defenders at the 57 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 5: point of attack. And a lot of those guys really 58 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 5: acquitted themselves well in terms of making a case to 59 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 5: come off the board early. 60 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:44,959 Speaker 1: You know, I went down there because I wanted to 61 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,119 Speaker 1: see I just watch guys on tape, like I want 62 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: to go see what they look like. And there's some 63 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: guys that don't look great. Honestly, I mean, hey, I'm 64 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: with you. But at the same time, what I'm saying is, 65 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: you know, if you want to be a first, second, 66 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: third round pick, a lot of times some teams want 67 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: you to look a certain kind of web they're going 68 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: to push it down. But then you see a joker 69 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: like t J. Sanders, and that guy looks good. And 70 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: I ain't even work out, but I just look at 71 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: it and I'm like, man, this looks like the real deal. 72 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 6: Josh Farmer. 73 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: Josh Farmer looked great, ran well, thirty five auche charge out. 74 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 1: I thought, really good workout, and I think Josh Farmer 75 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: to me, I went back to my hotel, looked at 76 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 1: my grades. I'm like, Okay, he's in the same category, 77 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: but I'm gonna stack him higher than I had him before. 78 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: And that's some of the things you do, like the 79 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: traits of thirty five inch arms. That's a big deal 80 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: to me. How he moved out here, that's a big 81 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: deal because I know he's got that in him. 82 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 6: I already thought he was a good player regardless. 83 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: You know those are and you know. But on the 84 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: flip side, I do want to mention because I mentioned 85 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: it on Twitter. You know, Alfred Collins, I kind of 86 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: had him locked into the second round, set it and 87 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: forget it. But he came into three hundred and thirty 88 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: four pounds, which was which was like fourteen pounds heavier 89 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: than what he was in the spring. He's got good length, 90 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: he's good height. He jumped really low. So Bucky as 91 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: a as a scout, you know, twenty six inch vertical 92 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: eight broad and I'm looking for an explosive player. 93 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 6: Those aren't explosive numbers. 94 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 5: No, those aren't explosive numbers, and normally correlates with how 95 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 5: fast they run and those things in it's not the 96 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 5: tail all. But it does worry a little bit when 97 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 5: you don't see those explosive jumps because we always talk 98 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:28,720 Speaker 5: about a checks and balance the system in the evaluation 99 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 5: and how certain exercises and drills that we do allow 100 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 5: us to cross reference see what the guy's athleticism meant. 101 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 5: When they don't jump high, it kind of tends to 102 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 5: let you know that they're not going to be as 103 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 5: explosive as it may think. 104 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 6: But it's just a battery things that we see. 105 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 3: On and we're going to get to the ed rushers 106 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 3: in the second. 107 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 2: But I feel like this conversation begs the discussion point 108 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 2: about James Pearce, who runs the fastest forty time of 109 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 2: anybody competed yesterday, right at four four seven. Yeah, but 110 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 2: only jump thirty one in the verb. 111 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 6: That doesn't just didn't. That's a little unusual, that doesn't 112 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 6: that normally doesn't go. 113 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: Was good like he had he had a good like 114 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: ten seven broad jump something like that. 115 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 5: That that that normally it matches. If you're running four fourds, 116 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 5: you should be high thirties. 117 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, Pierce goes four to four seven thirty one inch 118 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 2: vert but yeah ten foot three broad maybe, Okay, Yeah. 119 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: You think maybe he actually reaches high as he actually could. 120 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: Maybe there's a technique thing you gotta see. I've never 121 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 1: seen this before. Red down there, I watched them measure 122 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: the arms. You know, you have to do it drinking. 123 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 1: I mean, they've got two guys there and it's and 124 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 1: it is literally a tug of war trying to get 125 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: their arms. It is a battle over there to get 126 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: the real arm for folks at home. 127 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 2: Right, So they set the bar for the vertical at 128 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 2: the tip of your finger right where, and so like 129 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 2: they're trying to get you to reach as high as 130 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 2: possible to set the baseline for your vert And so 131 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 2: if you can kind of find a way to keep 132 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 2: that arm a little bit lower, you're gonna have. 133 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: A stout on a on like a stool or a ladder, 134 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: pulling upwards on the arm. The other guy's holding onto 135 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 1: the player trying to keep his arm, and I just thought, man, 136 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 1: maybe Pierce just actually reached as high as he could, right, 137 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 1: That's just what it was, Okay. 138 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 2: So I thought Josh Farmer had a real nice workout 139 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 2: from the interior group. 140 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 3: He was kind of a spelt three h. 141 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 2: Five, you know, ran a little over five on the 142 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 2: forty yard dash, But overall I thought his workout was 143 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 2: really good, looked really fluid. Biggest hands of the defensive 144 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 2: line group, Omar Norman Lot nearly eleven inches, ten and 145 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 2: three quarters big. There we had our buddy from Georgia 146 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 2: Tech Biggers eighty five inch wingspan, a little over eighty 147 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 2: five inches on the wingspan, you knew Dion Walker was 148 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 2: going to be the tallest at nearly six's eight six 149 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 2: seven and a half about on east Peeples was the 150 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,799 Speaker 2: shortest at just over six feet, but ran really well. 151 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 2: Jay Toya, who is a just an eater of double 152 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 2: teams at UCLA, was the heaviest of three hundred and 153 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 2: forty two pounds. The lightest was Steve Lynn and that 154 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 2: just two forty two. Mentioned Pierce running the fast forty 155 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 2: and then as we get to some of the other 156 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 2: let's get to some of the other d tackles close 157 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 2: the book on that group. I thought the duo from 158 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 2: Ohio State looked pretty good. Yes, talking about Tyleek and 159 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 2: Tie both kind of played next to each other. Tyleek 160 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 2: in particular moved really well around that the figure eight drill. 161 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 6: Yeah. No, you know, it's funny because we talk about 162 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 6: all these drills. 163 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 5: The one thing that I do love to see is 164 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 5: when they run the figure eight drill and being able 165 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 5: to pick up the towel place it back down. So 166 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 5: much of what we will talk about is always the numbers, 167 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 5: but a lot of it is what you see with 168 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 5: your eyes. Can I got bend and burst? Can he 169 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 5: turn the corner? Can he do those little things? We 170 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 5: saw Chuck Smift down there running that drill, trying to 171 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 5: get them going. 172 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 6: Try. Chuck was great, trying to get it feisty. 173 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 5: But those things matter because when you see guys come 174 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 5: around the corner, I just have these vivid images of 175 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 5: even though he's not a d tackle, but von Miller, 176 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 5: the way he's able to dip and get up under people. Yeah, 177 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 5: you see guys execute those maneuvers a lot of times. 178 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 6: Before they do it in games, they got to be 179 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 6: able to do it in practice. This allows us to 180 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 6: see if they're gonna be able to I want to 181 00:07:58,840 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 6: shout out Alfred Colin. 182 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: So I just had concerns about because when I watch 183 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: him run the hoop, I'm glad you're reminded me of 184 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: the hoop drill. 185 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 6: He looked great on. 186 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: That, like really had good beIN great body control. He's 187 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: one of the ones who actually put the towel back down, 188 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: picks the towel up like they want you to put 189 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: it down, pick it up, so you know they want 190 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: you get to set it down because they want to see, 191 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: you know, once again, the bend, the body control. There's 192 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: a lot of guys to just throw it down because 193 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: they're in a race. But you know there's there's a 194 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: method to that madness of running around those circles, and 195 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: some of it is they want the control. And al 196 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:30,119 Speaker 1: Ford Collins I think was one of the better ones 197 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 1: in terms of benning and he has that in them, 198 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, let me big up. 199 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 6: Them a little bit here. 200 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: I have concerns that I want to vet, but I 201 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: also know that this guy can play, he can bend, 202 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: he can move, He's played at lighter weights. I just 203 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 1: have some questions, but that's one of the drills that 204 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: I like a lot. And you know, Tyleek was bigger 205 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:51,839 Speaker 1: than I thought he was gonna be, but he moved 206 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: really well. That's important to see the smaller guys really 207 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: moved really well. 208 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 6: If you're gonna be smaller, you better move well. 209 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: And yeah, you know it's interesting to see the space 210 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: eaters that are in this draft. 211 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 7: Elijah Simmons. You mentioned the l A kid. 212 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: There's a few different guys who their job is just 213 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:11,959 Speaker 1: to make it to where it's not comfortable for you 214 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 1: to run between the guards. 215 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 2: Another guy will talk about when we need to the 216 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,439 Speaker 2: linebacker group, like you know, Jay Toya is a big 217 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 2: reason why Carson Swessinger was rolling through the line of scrimmage. 218 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 2: Absolutely a bunch in that for that UCLA defense. Okay, 219 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 2: those are some of the defensive tacks. Any of the 220 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 2: names that stood out that we need that we're missing 221 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 2: on on your front? 222 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 7: I thought Terry and Ingram Dawkins. 223 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: Uh, yeah, he's somebody that I really think has great tape. 224 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: You see him out here now, he doesn't look like 225 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 1: the rest of those guys. He looks more like an edge, 226 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: an edge. Yeah, he looks like a big bass edge 227 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: and he could be that because he's that kind of athlete, 228 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: or he could play in an odd front the three 229 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: four end because he's tough, he's got good needs get 230 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:53,199 Speaker 1: a little stronger, but he's got good techniques. So he's 231 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: just one of those guys bodytop wise, bucket. We're talking 232 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,319 Speaker 1: about the three forty guys, three thirty eight guys. We 233 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 1: sometimes you're gonna have a two eighty guy and and 234 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 1: you got to figure out how you're going to use it. 235 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 6: You'll figure can. 236 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 3: Move freakiest of the defensive tackles. 237 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 2: He went four eight six on the forty yard gash, 238 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 2: one six nine on the ten thirty six on the 239 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 2: vert and then over ten ten to four. 240 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,119 Speaker 3: On the bra. That's those pretty good numbers. 241 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 6: For really good numbers. 242 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: And that's why if you can play him inside, you'd 243 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: love to if you can get them a little bigger, 244 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 1: you love to have him inside, which that kind of 245 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 1: at four eighty, at a four eight six, it's not 246 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 1: as great when you put him out on the edge. 247 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 7: Right inside, it's like this guy can roll roll. 248 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:31,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, let's move to the edge rushers. So and 249 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 3: that's where we saw the freaks. 250 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 2: Shamar Stewart and James Pierce, I think kind of stole it, 251 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 2: And let's start Landon Jackson in there as well. 252 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 3: Stole the show. 253 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 2: Stuart and Landon Jackson both jumping forty plus inches in 254 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 2: the vert Yeah, so. 255 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 5: Let's start with Let's start with Stuart first, because I 256 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,559 Speaker 5: think Stuart is the one that we knew he was 257 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 5: going to be the most debated guy in meeting rooms 258 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 5: after he did the workout. We can talk about one thing, 259 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 5: like he didn't have production. He has all these tools. 260 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 5: When those tools are documented, When we have these times 261 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 5: four five, nine, sixty five and sixty seven pounds forty 262 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 5: inch vertical ten eleven broad jump eleven broad, it's real 263 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 5: when it comes to being a freak athlete. And a 264 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 5: lot of people were talking about, yeah, but the production 265 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 5: doesn't matter the physical tools. 266 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 6: But then you look up the pressure rate and how the. 267 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 5: Pressure pressures are there, and some guys will say, like, 268 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 5: the pressures matter more than the sacks. And I heard 269 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 5: this it was floating around. They were like, remember Trayvon 270 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 5: Walker was Trayvon overall pick Traitz had tools, didn't have 271 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 5: a lot of production that went with it. And we've 272 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 5: seen them have two seasons with double digits SATs for 273 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:42,559 Speaker 5: the Jacksonville Jaguars. I'm not saying that it can be taught, 274 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 5: but I am saying when you see Trayvon Walker have 275 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 5: that success is a scout, you can start building a 276 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 5: case that hey, maybe the next level he can develop 277 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 5: and get back. 278 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 7: I'll tell you what, you know. I have the same questions. 279 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: But luckily I was down there with Greg Kosal from 280 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: NFL Films. He had walked up. We were talking about 281 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: Stewart versus Nick Courton. Scrton is the more talent, is 282 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: a more skilled player. He's got better tape this year. 283 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: But the other guys were and Chuck Smith was walking off, 284 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 1: as you guys said, one of the great you know 285 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: he was. He's a guy who was teaching guys rush 286 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: before he was hired by an NFL team. He's with 287 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: the Raves, you guys mentioned, and Greg asked him the 288 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 1: very question, can you teach a guy how to rush? 289 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 1: And Chuck Smith's answer was so illuminating. He said, yes, 290 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:27,079 Speaker 1: I started at the beginning. And he said, if I've 291 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: got the Stuart, we're talking Stuart specifically, he said, I'm 292 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: going to start him in his stance. This is how 293 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: I want you to stand, and this is how I 294 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: want you to get off your first step. He said, 295 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 1: Then I'm going to add the second step and we're 296 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:39,079 Speaker 1: going to do that forty times. 297 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 6: If we need to. 298 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 7: Then I'm going to get to the third step. We're 299 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 7: going to go speed to power. 300 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: I'm going to teach him how to tee his foot 301 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: and how to turn, and I'm going to make him 302 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: do it until he does it. And it's like a 303 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: golf swing. It was just muscle memory stuff. And he said, 304 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: you do it over and over and over. Now, instincts, 305 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: of course, play a part. You may not have instincts 306 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: when the bullets are flying, and can you remember can 307 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: you see exactly you know? You don't know that it's 308 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:05,679 Speaker 1: going to hit. But he's a big believer in you 309 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: can teach guys how to rush. And this guy did 310 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: it in the NFL. He's taught others to do it. 311 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 6: He's doing it. 312 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 2: He's going it now half production in Baltimore at JABO. 313 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: And this was the argument with Ohway is the guy 314 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: that I gave a higher projection to just because of traits. 315 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: It's the ballad, you know, it's my mentor, and so 316 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 1: I just said, Okay, I believe in it. 317 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 6: I believe in that. 318 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 1: I posted I was down there for Shamar Stewart's broad jump. 319 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 1: I said, oh, let me get a let me get 320 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: a video of this. I videoed it. That sucker went 321 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: ten feet eleven inches. 322 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 6: It's long. I posted it. I posted it on my 323 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:38,079 Speaker 6: Twitter account. 324 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: Immediately the fights began in my comments section about no production. 325 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 7: This guy's a free no production four point. 326 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 3: Five Trayvon Walker. 327 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 6: He's going to have to deal with that the entire process. Now. 328 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 2: The interesting thing is like when you compare his numbers 329 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:55,439 Speaker 2: and his measurables to Miles Garrett, very favorable, Like he's 330 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 2: actually even got some better testing numbers than Miles did. 331 00:13:58,080 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 3: But when you go all the way down on. 332 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:05,719 Speaker 2: Ourfl research comparisons, the sack numbers in college are incredibly 333 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 2: uh uh you. 334 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 3: Know contrasted, right. 335 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 2: I think it was like thirty sacks for Miles in 336 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 2: college and what four and a half for Shamar. So yeah, 337 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 2: it's just something that you know, obviously the Jaguars got 338 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 2: real comfortable with it with Trayvon Walker and it paid off. 339 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 3: But you know, you got to have the development process 340 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 3: in there. 341 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 6: Too, do you got to have deveil the process. 342 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 5: The last thing I'll say about using Trayvon Walker as 343 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 5: kind of the muse, he's also playing the complimentary role, 344 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 5: not the lead role. So when we think about Shamar Stewart, 345 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 5: if you're going to do that, hopefully you haven't established 346 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 5: DPR in place, designated pass rush in place to. 347 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 6: Allow him to be the confident he is Robin not Batman. 348 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: But Trayvon also would rattle your pads like he was 349 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: a tough, physical, heavy handed run defender. 350 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 7: Chamar's not that right now. So there's some other goodie. 351 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: You know, there's some other aggression pieces that were in 352 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: place for Trayvon. 353 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 2: So a couple other things that kind of stick out 354 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 2: to me about saying, I think we thought Chamar Stewart 355 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 2: might be close to two hundred and eighty pounds, and 356 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 2: instead he ends up at two sixty seven. 357 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 6: He's listed it to ninety. He played up there. 358 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know you also wonder at this time 359 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 2: of year, are we shedding weight to run faster? That's 360 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 2: online and then we're putting like Ty Robinson from Nebraska 361 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 2: played at over three hundred pounds, he was too eighty 362 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 2: eight and ran a really good time, So you. 363 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 6: Have to be able to You got to be able 364 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 6: to figure out what that is. 365 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 5: But I'll say this is funny because Stephen Ridley was 366 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 5: on Julian Edelman's podcast talking about things and talking about 367 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 5: Bill Belichick making him get way below the weight that 368 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 5: he played it when it was at LSU. 369 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 6: So that weight matters. 370 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 5: And when you go to a team, they're gonna have 371 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 5: a prescribed weight for you. So they may look at 372 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 5: these numbers and say, oh, yeah, we like how fast 373 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 5: you ran it. To come on, this needs to be 374 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 5: the weight that you play it because we may get 375 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 5: better production and better juice an impact from you. 376 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: So that bod pod is they throw you into bod Pod, 377 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: the Dexa scan and then they get the lean mass 378 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: numbers and they determine where your where your weight should be. 379 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: Some players, they'll find a guy with two hundred forty 380 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: pounds a lean mass or two hundred thirty eight pounds 381 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: a lean mass who's three eighteen. They're like, that's bad weight. 382 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: That's a lot of bad way that could end up 383 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: being joint problems. But let's also remember Shamar Stewart. Yeah, 384 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: he did play in the two eighties, I believe, But 385 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: maybe he's better to seventy two. 386 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 7: Maybe you know, maybe he's better two seventy five, maybe 387 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 7: finishing two sixty five to ninety. 388 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 3: He could probably play anywhere in between. 389 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 6: He probably can't. 390 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 2: All right, Lance, give us the definitive word here on 391 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 2: what James Pierce's times do for you, because look, we're 392 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 2: gonna learn more about these prospects. Teams are learning more 393 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 2: about a player like Pierce, who you know, has some 394 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 2: stuff in his background that teams are gonna have to 395 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 2: get comfortable with off the field. But like you know, 396 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 2: out here, you see why he's so well thought of. 397 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: It's not even really his time, rat I mean, in fact, 398 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: he ran in a hoodie and ran that fast is 399 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: a show WHOA and when he's running and they got 400 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: it in slow motion and then the hoodies just bouncing 401 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: in the background. Now, honestly, what blew me away with 402 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: him was how smooth he was. I thought he was 403 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: very linear a little bit, you know, didn't look his 404 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: as as bendy and fluid on tape, right, Yeah, and 405 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,880 Speaker 1: then he's out here and he looks good like he's 406 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,880 Speaker 1: bending and moving and so bucky, I'm having to deal 407 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: with the fact that, Okay, I knew he would be explosed, 408 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: I knew he would run fast all that, but in 409 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: the drills he looks like he's got more of that 410 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:19,400 Speaker 1: bending move. 411 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 6: See. 412 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 5: I felt like he was bendy and moving like that 413 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 5: when I watched him on tape, because that his fanessability 414 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 5: to be. 415 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:27,919 Speaker 6: He was beating people one on one without getting. 416 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 5: Touched like he has to subtenly too, crossover move that 417 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 5: enables him to get there. Yeah, And when I watched 418 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 5: him run the four four seven and then I saw 419 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:39,919 Speaker 5: him running around the bags, I didn't tweet that, but 420 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 5: I wrote in my nose, Oh, it's a lot of conflict. 421 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 6: There's a lot of people dealing with conflict and consciousness. 422 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, because what you have to do is you got 423 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 5: to figure out like people talk about reports on the 424 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 5: character and those things, but when you see the talent, 425 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:56,160 Speaker 5: everyone can put a value on a pass run. And 426 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:59,160 Speaker 5: what that does is it changes because look, I've gone 427 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 5: through these mock draft and I've seen people exclude him 428 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 5: from the mod drafts even though we know he's one 429 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 5: of the more complete pass versus in the draft. It 430 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 5: changes the conversation and I could hear when I met 431 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 5: with some buddies after the event, I can hear guys trying. 432 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 6: To walk back. I heard the drip beep, beep peep 433 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 6: people walking back. 434 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 5: Some of those opinions or whether they could touch him, 435 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 5: so makes interesting fodder in those meetings. 436 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: It's the Jalen Carter stuff right where some teams don't 437 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: have the room to take on Jalen Carter. They just 438 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: say we can't. Jalen's got too much stuff in his background. 439 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: We're not sure. So the best player in the draft 440 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,880 Speaker 1: falls was a nine or ten? Right ten, it's ten. 441 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 1: Philadelphia moves up and says, oh, we got a room. 442 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: We've got Georgia Bulldogs in here. We got a room 443 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 1: full of full of leaders we have we've got We've 444 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: got his big man to play next to him, Davis, 445 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 1: Jordan Davis next. 446 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 6: So we're not good over here. 447 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 1: And look what they do because they know they have 448 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: the room that can handle them. And as far as 449 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: I know, he hadn't been a problem. You just want 450 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 1: a super Bowl. 451 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,360 Speaker 5: All I know is late my latest mind Draft thirty two, 452 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 5: James Fears was going to the Philadelphia was because I 453 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 5: can't imagine any scenario. 454 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: Just get you better keep them. And it's not just 455 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: that Ravens Chiefs. There's teams with strong locker rooms who 456 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,239 Speaker 1: need rush. I mean, he's not getting passing, all right. 457 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 2: Those are the D line guys. We're gonna step aside 458 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 2: here briefly. When we come back, we'll get to the 459 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:23,640 Speaker 2: lead block with the LB's the linebackers who had some 460 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 2: serious athleticism out on display Lucas Oil Stadium. 461 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:27,439 Speaker 3: That's next year. 462 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:28,400 Speaker 6: And move the sticks. 463 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 2: All right, back hered move the sticks. Time for the 464 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 2: lead block presented by T Mobile for Business. Football needs 465 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 2: a network willing to go the extra yard. So do 466 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 2: you go further with T Mobile for Business Lead Block 467 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 2: LB linebackers. Now, the interesting part of this is some 468 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 2: of these linebackers, like the guy who ended up winning 469 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 2: the Buckets Award this year, Jalen Walker, might project better 470 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 2: for many teams as an ed rusher. It might be 471 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 2: one of the top three edge rushers in this draft. 472 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 2: So we're going to talk about that here a little bit. 473 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,400 Speaker 2: Maybe the same thing with Jihadd Campbell who came into 474 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 2: Alabama as an edge rusher but had Will Anderson and 475 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 2: Dallas Turner sitting there. 476 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 3: They move him off the ball. He can still rush. 477 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 2: That does feel like one of the big conversation pieces 478 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 2: with these off ball linebackers today is what kind of 479 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 2: playmaker can you be rushing the pass or too? 480 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, so I had a conversation with a couple of 481 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 5: defensive coaches who talked about the league is morphing to 482 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 5: a league that is almost like college football, where you're 483 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 5: going to run variations of a three three five defense 484 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 5: where you have three D linemen, you have a mic 485 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 5: linebacker that's a true mic, and you have two guys 486 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 5: playing alongside of that mike that are hybrid pass. 487 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 6: Rushers off the ball linebackers. 488 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 5: So when you speak to Jehad Campbell, a Jalen Walker, 489 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 5: those guys who you do see consistently play up, play down, 490 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 5: attack from various points at the line of scrimmage. 491 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 6: That is going to be a part of the plan. 492 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 5: And that is how we're going to have to create 493 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 5: another category when we talk about these top fives and 494 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,439 Speaker 5: positions where those those second level hyperds have to come 495 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:01,880 Speaker 5: into play. 496 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,959 Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, there's more and more categories being created. 497 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: It used to be easy, and it's in every sport, right, 498 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: I mean, every sport is going through change. Baseball has 499 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: got massive change where your best hitters are hitting one 500 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 1: or two. You know, in basketball, we don't have positions anymore. 501 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: So you're a wing, you know, you're a wing, You're 502 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 1: a stretch for you're a lead guard, you're a you're 503 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: there's there's fewer static definitions. 504 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 6: It's much more fluid. 505 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 1: Now we have the nickel position, which used to be 506 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 1: a guy who was smaller and could run around with 507 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: other smaller slots. That's that's more and more because it 508 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: came from college. That's more and more your run stopper. 509 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 1: That guy is a big like, he's an athletic safety, 510 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: and you just think, well, he didn't have the speed 511 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:47,959 Speaker 1: to match up whether or not half, No, they're not. 512 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: It's almost more important for them in three wide receiver 513 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:52,919 Speaker 1: sets to make sure that they don't get bullied out there. 514 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,360 Speaker 1: They want to run supporter by the line of scrimmage 515 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,880 Speaker 1: so they can sit in their base is a five 516 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 1: dB base, but they're not giving up the run offense. 517 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 1: And so there's just so many changes coming into new 518 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 1: one that you're mentioned, but linebacker on first and second, 519 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: pass rusher on third, or blitzer on first and second. 520 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:13,360 Speaker 1: It's changing the game and changing how teams But then pastra, 521 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, but then read the pass catching tied 522 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 1: end is forcing an NFL teams to look at the 523 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:19,640 Speaker 1: safety position to Yeah. 524 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 2: By the way, another name that that kind of speaks 525 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 2: to this this this kind of you know position is 526 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 2: yet kind of you know variation here with the linebackers. 527 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 2: You know, was Femi Oladejo, who started as a linebacker, 528 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 2: moved down to edge, actually competed really well. It was 529 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 2: actually one of the one of the more fun, energetic, 530 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,199 Speaker 2: fun guys to watch throughout He was I don't know 531 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 2: if anybody's enjoyed the combine drills more than Femi. 532 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 3: Olda da show yesterday. 533 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:42,880 Speaker 2: You did a nice job at the edge spot now 534 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 2: where which is where he'll he'll call home in the league. 535 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:47,360 Speaker 2: But how about a couple of names from the linebacker 536 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 2: group that stood out to you? 537 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 5: Okay, so this has got surprised, but I love this tape. 538 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 5: I just didn't think you would run this fast. Danny 539 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 5: Stussman from Oklahoma, Yeah, four or five two, And when 540 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,640 Speaker 5: you watch him play, he is a tack the machine 541 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 5: all over the place at Oklahom. You see the nastiness, 542 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 5: you see the run defense. You see him play as 543 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 5: a downhill player, tackling machine with range. The coverage is 544 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 5: going to be limited, but the fact that he ran 545 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 5: that certainly helps him. 546 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 6: He's one of the guys that stood out to me 547 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 6: as a true. 548 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: Mic linebacker, and he did like he made himself money, 549 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 1: he helped himself. I thought he was like a third fourth. 550 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 1: I think he's in the top one hundred now. Is 551 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: a linebacker. Demetrius Knight from South Carolina stood out to me, 552 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: and it was really because I wanted to see that. 553 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 7: I wanted him to break four six as a forty 554 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 7: he did. 555 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:29,199 Speaker 6: Boom. He's locked in. 556 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: Might even be you know, could be linebacker one as 557 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 1: an inside linebacker. 558 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 6: He's big, he's tough, he's. 559 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: Physical, he's a good athlete as we saw, you know, 560 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 1: an above average athlete. And then he has just elite 561 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 1: football character and leadership in the locker room. So he's 562 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 1: a guy that really cemented who he was teams who 563 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 1: like him, which I think there's going to be a 564 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: lot of teams that like him. He really just cemented himself. 565 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 1: And here's an example. I mean, I'm gonna bring this 566 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 1: guy up. No one's going to be talking about it. 567 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: He played two games this year and got hurt. And 568 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 1: it's Colin Oliver from Oklahoma State. Two hundred and forty pounds. 569 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 1: He is six one and three quarters, right. 570 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 3: So he's more of an edge, right. 571 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: Well, they have him at linebacker. Yeah, so he may 572 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: be one of these. He's played both. Okay, he's played both. 573 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,120 Speaker 3: Nick Martin was here from Oklahoma State too, right. 574 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 1: Right right, Nick Martin's here, So Colin may be doing both. 575 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: They may want to give him a look at both. 576 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,120 Speaker 1: He ran a four five six, he jumped thirty nine 577 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 1: inches and a ten to six. Now, he only played 578 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: two games this year on tape. You only have two 579 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 1: games to look at, and in twenty three his tape 580 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: is a little it's raw, like he still needs development 581 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: and he only got two games, so he still needs development. 582 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: But you put numbers up like this and okay, we 583 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 1: can work with this. This is one hundred percent when 584 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 1: we can work with you go back and look at 585 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: the tape and you start looking from a more positive lens. 586 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 6: Possibly, sure. 587 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, So those are some good names there from the 588 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 2: linebacker group. Carson Schwestinger, as I mentioned, is one. He 589 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 2: didn't do a whole lot here but he had the 590 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 2: second best vertical. 591 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 7: Did he get hurt or anything? 592 00:24:57,960 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 3: You know, he was a show to this. 593 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 2: Really he's supposed to go to the Senior Bowl too, 594 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 2: but but you know, wasn't able to make that happen. 595 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't know the full story on that one, 596 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 2: but it's one of those things we'll watch obviously. Jaalen 597 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 2: Walker didn't do anything here. Michael Williams didn't do anything. 598 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 6: Mention one more guy Caine Medrano. 599 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,400 Speaker 1: There's a there's a hybrid dude. So he was two 600 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 1: oh six in the spring. He came into twenty two 601 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: yesterday and ran like a four to four six. Yeah, 602 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: jumped high, look good in the field by the time 603 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,400 Speaker 1: in the lineback. So I went from undrafted on him 604 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: to drafted like love that yesterday yesterday the combine right, 605 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:35,439 Speaker 1: he ran fast, he carne weight. I already liked him 606 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: as a player. I just thought he's too small. Yeah, 607 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: and if he gains weight, he's going to lose his speed. Well, no, 608 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: and no, he can gain weight and he didn't. 609 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 3: Lose his speed, and he's got great ball skills. He 610 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 3: came into the wide receiver. 611 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 6: You tea. 612 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 5: We forgot to mention that I forgot to mention him 613 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:49,160 Speaker 5: doing the defensive telerible guy. 614 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 6: Yeah, did the hybrid JJ Pgee, I forgot, I forget you. 615 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 6: Gota mentioned. 616 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 5: Everyone's going crazy like, oh we never seen a two 617 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 5: way player Jefferson. 618 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 6: I'm like, hold on, big, big, big. 619 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 5: Guy stud right, yeah, try and bull stud Big got 620 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,439 Speaker 5: seven offensive touchdowns. And when I think about what the 621 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 5: Baltimore Ravens have done, we're recorded. Some of those other 622 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 5: big guys I forgot to mention had him. 623 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 6: This year. 624 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 7: Yeah, he had twenty six carries. I watched them all. 625 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: They're just as soon as they got Instead of toush push, 626 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: they just said bring him in. We're direct snap. Yeah, 627 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 1: and we're just running forward with Piggy. There's only I 628 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: think there's only one team I saw stop him. Only 629 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 1: one time he got stopped. 630 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 2: Well, look, you know on Friday, and we'll talk about 631 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 2: this on Saturday. But the DB's and the tight ends 632 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 2: are out here. But we've already had the first catches 633 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:40,399 Speaker 2: from a tight end thanks to JJ Piggy Slash, full back, slash, whatever. 634 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:40,880 Speaker 3: You want to call them. 635 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 2: So yeah, a lot of fun here on day one 636 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,199 Speaker 2: of the combine. We're getting ready for Day two with 637 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 2: the dbs and the line packers will bring you that 638 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 2: recap coming up on Saturday's episode. So that's a wrap 639 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 2: for the lead block presented by T Mobile for Business. 640 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 2: Football needs a network willing to go the extra yard, 641 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 2: So do you go further? With T Mobile for Business? 642 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 2: From Lancer Line Buckey Broke, I'm Red Lewis. 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