1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL podcast has traded Greg for a 2 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:11,040 Speaker 1: conditional third from the Chris west Link podcast studio. It's 3 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:15,319 Speaker 1: Around the NFL. I'm Dan Jansas, just one hero with me. 4 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:20,799 Speaker 1: It's Mark Sessler. Listen, in our league, you need to 5 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: make moves in a non sentimental manner, and we thought 6 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 1: at this time moving away from Gregg was the right 7 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: I think the listeners will ask, did we get value 8 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 1: because a conditional third for it? Really? Uh? You know 9 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: died in the World Journal who has done a lot 10 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:37,559 Speaker 1: of great work on our show. I mean, what what 11 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:41,239 Speaker 1: does a conditional third franchise star? Uh? And we're just 12 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 1: giving them up for a conditional third. Maybe will be fired. Yes, 13 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: we're in the dead of June quiet period of the NFL, 14 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:52,279 Speaker 1: so we're gonna just Mark and I were gonna take 15 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: you through everything that's going on. Uh in the league, 16 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: the scant amount of news. Will open up the mailbag 17 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: and just have fun. That's all. That's what we do, 18 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:05,960 Speaker 1: and it's it comes naturally to us. What's this? What 19 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 1: do is? That? Is? That? Is that cave Thibodeau's music 20 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: there is get to see it again? Whoa here he 21 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: comes cave On tivod Oh the hat Trick on Around 22 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: the NFL podcast joined US Draft Night the next week, 23 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 1: and now here we are with Warren g featuring the 24 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: late great Nate Doug Regulate. This is your walk up 25 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: music on the show. How are you? I'm doing well, man, 26 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: it's gonna while. I'm happy to be back, happy to 27 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: be in the NFL. I have to ask you a question. 28 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: Do you remember us? I have to ask your name 29 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:56,919 Speaker 1: before I walked up, But I do remember. I do remember. Um, 30 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: isn't it? It's Mark? All right? The next level won 31 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: me over. Like in baseball, the players get the walk 32 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: up music and that's cool. I feel like a pass rusher, 33 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: especially after a sack there should be a stop down 34 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:15,119 Speaker 1: and extended play clock. I know you get, you get 35 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: a celebration, but you were Warren Gy like pumps out 36 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: of the speakers that met Life Stadium. You know, you know, 37 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: we do get like walk up music. Like third downs 38 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: you never hear. You probably don't pay attention, but like 39 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: when third downs come to music, play that's the music 40 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: is really loud. That's the whole you know, especially if 41 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:30,239 Speaker 1: it's a home game. Come on, how much? And I 42 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: don't know if and we're gonna get into some of 43 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: this as you begin your rookie journey in the NFL. 44 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: Like how different the college game coming from Oregon is 45 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: now they're in our league as it's called like in college? 46 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 1: Was that like a big conversation point amongst the defensive players, 47 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: like what's the song we choose? Was there a vote 48 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: that they come from upstairs? And guys, it's not really 49 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 1: a song. I think it's more of like what the 50 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: tradition is at the team, right, you know, because Oregon 51 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: we had like it was the same song every week, 52 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: but you knew it was it was the third down 53 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: song and when it came on, you were high. Is 54 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: it hard to pay attention when like music's blasting and 55 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,399 Speaker 1: you're attempting to like, you know, formulate a play call 56 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: as a group or something. Well, you gotta ask offensive 57 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: players because on defense most of the time when its 58 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:14,399 Speaker 1: third down, you know the mission? Yeah that so where 59 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: are we at? Came on? So we just got through 60 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: the spring O t A s I do? I should 61 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: ask you as a dog and journal and I should 62 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 1: check in on your physical status. You were limited or 63 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,399 Speaker 1: pract you were in a red shirt, red jersey working 64 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: with a trainer on the side. I saw a report 65 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: out there that it was a hip issue of where 66 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: we had health wise, anything to be concerned. Fine, now, 67 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: I think you know I did tweak my hip at 68 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: a point at my hip flex or you know, during 69 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: um O t AS. But after a couple of weeks rest, 70 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: you know, I'm back, I'm training full and I'm ready 71 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: to get back for training camp. I like it. That's good. 72 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: So you gotta here first. And if you write your 73 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: little blurbs wherever you write your blurbs site around the NFL, 74 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: there will be sharp to court. Well, that's um. So 75 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: I was thinking, came on, we were thinking about like, 76 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: as you begin this journey, we're much older than you grossly, 77 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: so you were born in the two thousands, I imagine. 78 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. I mean I'm twice your age plus a 79 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: few years. That's concerning. Right, You guys are on the 80 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: way out. It's no longer our world. But we have 81 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: seen a thing or two, so I thought it'd be 82 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 1: good to have a conversation. We call this segment with 83 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: Cavon Thibodeau the third time on the Around the NFL podcast. 84 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: No your league, Okay, we know the NFL. We've covered it. 85 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: This podcast has been going on since two thousand thirteen. 86 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 1: Cavan hadn't he even had his bar mits. But yet 87 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:46,359 Speaker 1: at that point he was a young thirteen year old boy. Um, 88 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: but now I still haven't had one, still waiting. So 89 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: let's go over a couple of things. Just curious if 90 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: you know about it, if this is something you've already 91 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:59,679 Speaker 1: come across. Let's start with the idea of now, hazing 92 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:01,919 Speaker 1: is a bit of a dirty word, now, Uh. In 93 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 1: the NFL, we had, of course, that Richie Incognito scandal 94 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: with Jonathan Martin years ago, but it still goes on. 95 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: And one thing that really stands out, Kabin, I wanted 96 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: to ask you about this, there was there's a podcast. 97 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 1: Fellow New York first round pick Garrett Wilson, wide receiver 98 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: of the Jets, was on another podcast, probably inferior to 99 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: this one, but I'm sure good if they got Garrett 100 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 1: um and they talked about rookies having to pay for dinners. 101 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: Fred Taylor, former great running back of the Jaguars and 102 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 1: other teams, Uh, said to Garrett Wilson, you know they're 103 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,679 Speaker 1: gonna run that bill up to like seventy five dollars 104 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: that rookies had to pay for meals rookie year, and 105 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 1: Wilson said he didn't buy it. Ryan Clark, another great 106 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 1: former player, said, you're the tenth pick of the draft. 107 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: They know you've got they got the money. Channing Crowder 108 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: then said he thinks it's his decision. Are you concerned 109 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: that you're gonna be hit with that? No, I'm not concerned. 110 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: You know, I'm a guy who I'll definitely take care 111 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: of my guys and de line room. But as far 112 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: as doing things that I don't want to do, I've 113 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: never done it. I've all he's been a leader, not 114 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: a follower. So we set new standards, all right. So 115 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 1: let me let me give you a hypothetical from that 116 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 1: same interview. Fred Taylor, later his career, played with the 117 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 1: Patriots briefly, and he said Tom tom Brady would come 118 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: in there and buy three or four or five thousand 119 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 1: dollar bottle of line whine, take a sip and say 120 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,359 Speaker 1: good night. What if it's now? We know there's no 121 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: Tom Brady figure involved with the Giants right now, at 122 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: least not yet. I mean, even if there was, I 123 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 1: don't think i'd stand up Tom Brady wouldn't take a 124 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 1: ship and walk out on me. He'd be there. He'd 125 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 1: be there a whole night. Uh. If he did walk out, 126 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: I'll finish that bottle the wine. What do you think 127 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: about this? Uh? Years ago, Ryan Leaf, Chargers quarterback, he 128 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: was the second round pick the year Peyton Man and 129 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: came into the league. He had to pick up a tab. 130 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: He told management about it, and then Junior say how 131 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 1: wiped him out following an interception in practice? Like, is 132 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: there this code behind the scenes that you would then 133 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: have to worry about if you were to turn down 134 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:00,919 Speaker 1: such a demand from your teammates? Um? I mean, I 135 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,359 Speaker 1: guess it just depends on who you are. UM. I 136 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: feel like I've gained a lot of respect from the 137 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: guys around me, and I showed respect to a lot 138 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: of guys around me. So I don't think I'd ever 139 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: have to worry about my physical health. But then again, 140 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: I also wouldn't do anything now I wouldn't want to 141 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: do so pure pressure is not a thing for me. 142 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: I've got one for you. Uh. You know you remember 143 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: Tim Tebow obviously back when he was a rookie with 144 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: the Broncos. And for our audio listeners, We're going to 145 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: show a picture here. We can get that up on 146 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: this video. Yeah, so this was this is if you 147 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: this was the haircut they gave Tim Tebow, and I 148 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: guess I would describe it as, um, they shaved around, 149 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: uh you know, the shade the top of his head, 150 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: so he looks sort of like a friar from the 151 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: Middle Ages. Would you accept that haircut? If? If I 152 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: think I know the answer based on the first question, well, 153 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: how would you if a veteran said this is this 154 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: is part of your rite of passage? How would you 155 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: deal with that demand? I would come through a different door. 156 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: I wouldn't need to go to that. Yeah, you know, 157 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: there's there's things for me. I show a lot of 158 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: respect to doing extra work. So if they say you're 159 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 1: a rookie, you gotta run five more, your ricky, gotta 160 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:04,559 Speaker 1: show up earlier, you're a rookie, gotta you know, carry 161 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: some paths or something like that, that's respect. But as 162 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: far as like, yeah, I think he might look good 163 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: with that haircut, though, I'm just saying you get it 164 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: first and I'll just follow. You'll go together, all right, 165 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: Let's go over some fan bases again. This is no 166 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: your league. We've been around the block. It's forties, so 167 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: we you know there are negatives, but there are some positives. 168 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: We know about these fan bases on a deep level. 169 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: So we'll start with these and tell me if you 170 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:34,719 Speaker 1: were aware of this or how plugged in you are 171 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 1: as a new as a new face of the New 172 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: York Giants. Some heads up, the Patriots fans, they're very 173 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: sensitive about the New York Giants because forty two and 174 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 1: forty seven, the two Super Bowls or um. Just something 175 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: if you didn't know to be aware of, if you 176 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: wanted to ever drop that in Pepper that in next 177 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 1: time you guys have a match them for sure. He's 178 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: factored it in. How Eagles fans. You know about the 179 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: Eagles fans. They're fans of the Eagles, red eyes, small hands, 180 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: known to bite, very moody, very moody fan base. You 181 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: guys listen to the fans, do we? We are? I 182 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 1: mean we are in some level. You guys are the fans? 183 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: Get now you got to the liaison. Now it's making sense. 184 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, you know I could care less? Right like, 185 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 1: they hate the Eagles fans hate when you bring up 186 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,599 Speaker 1: the fact that they once pelt at Santa Claus with snowballs. 187 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: You know, you know how much you could really set 188 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 1: a fan base off. You just whoop them, you just 189 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: beat them. I see it, you win the game. There's none. 190 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: There's really none. I like to go into stadiums and 191 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: I like them to be quiet. I like graveyards. You know, 192 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: we got to graveyards. You get a piece of mind. 193 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: So we're leaving midway through the fourth quarter. That's the 194 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: good stuff me. I tell him to come back. It's 195 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 1: not over. Come back, come back, leave it, take more punishment. 196 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: The show is just go. Do you know that Bills 197 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: fans when you play the I don't know the Bills 198 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 1: on the schedule, the Giants this year, I don't know, 199 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: But eventually there will be Bills fans will want you 200 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: to know that they're the only team technically that plays 201 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 1: in New York. They're going to try to give that 202 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: to you. Is like a singer. Does that bother you 203 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: at all? I hope you didn't come up with that one. No, No, listen, 204 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: it's their Jets fans like they try to bring that 205 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: at me. I gotta get some old school fans that 206 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: say more hurtful stuff. Or something that's that's like, oh man, 207 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: you said, you said something came on the first time 208 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: we ever spoke. You said one of your goals when 209 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:35,959 Speaker 1: you have conversations with people, you know, something like this. 210 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: You want that you want to leave having made an 211 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: impression and make people feel like they know you know 212 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: what you're about. I'd like you to if you could 213 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: try to know what Marks about by the end of 214 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: this brief conversation we're having and if you're okay, Mark 215 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:53,679 Speaker 1: had just a couple of questions for you that I 216 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: haven't seen yet. I don't know anything about. Sure. I 217 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: would ask you this because you know the New York giants. 218 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: UM from an earth angle, historical angle going way back, 219 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 1: do you believe that actual giants roam the earth? Um, 220 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 1: that's a good question, that's a great question. Um. I 221 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: mean factor fiction. I mean that's you know, it's possible. 222 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:22,079 Speaker 1: Nothing's nothing's impossible. Physical job help's all we're talking. I 223 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: think probably a story. There's actually a story in the 224 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: Bible that talks about that. So I couldn't. I couldn't 225 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 1: say that it's not they're mentioned, they're mentioned. I'm talking 226 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: like sixteen seventeen feet tall, but very just a different 227 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: you know, species. So there's this there's this crazy thing 228 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: I watched just like the mountains. They're like mountain ranges 229 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: and different like crazy things that are like these, like 230 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 1: you say, these giants were too big to be buried, 231 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 1: so they've basically what encrusted into the mountain ranges. So 232 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:50,439 Speaker 1: like you could if there's a video, you could look 233 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: up where it's like mountains are shaped like humans or 234 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: shaped like some type of figure. So it's possible. I 235 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: think it is. The earth is very weird. How about 236 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 1: this um? You know, you us gotten to know Brian Table, 237 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: your your new coach. Would you just instinctly do you 238 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: think he's more of a front spoon or a backspoon 239 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 1: when he is spooning someone. I don't answer those type 240 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: of questions. That's a tough one. I think that was 241 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: all right. Forget that want to bail next? All right, 242 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 1: let's see how about this um, Dan and Mark before 243 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 1: you before you go, let's not ask any more personal 244 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:26,439 Speaker 1: questions about any other man. Ask a question about the 245 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:30,719 Speaker 1: two of us. No, No, It's like let's say Dan 246 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: and I were to appear in front of you in 247 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:37,319 Speaker 1: wrestling tights and attempt to wrestle you could you So, 248 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: what's the newest thing's kind of going on in NFL? Anything? 249 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: All right? Good? You know what The answer is nothing. 250 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: It's June seven right now. Um, but you know that's 251 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: all good. So we're gonna hear. Let's wrap it up. 252 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: This is where we're at. You ready, any other questions 253 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: you have? I think I'm going to ask some of 254 00:12:55,760 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: my other questions at this point. It's yeah, this is 255 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: so we're gonna be I've heard you guys up for extensions. 256 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: How's that going? Has been negotiating? Look at that, we're negotiations. 257 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: We got the deal done. You signed your rookie deal 258 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: as well, right, yeah, I mean, but I'm worried about yours. 259 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: I heard you guys. Are you guys getting some big 260 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: money coming up? You guys have been doing doing numbers 261 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: in around the NFL. I'm beginning to be worried too. 262 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: We're doing Yeah, we did, we did. I think we 263 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: got a deal. I don't think it's in the territory 264 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: of a top ten pick in the NFL. But but 265 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 1: there's gossips that they can only keep one of you. 266 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: So my question is, where's like, you know, are you 267 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: guys both going to leave or somebody's just gonna We 268 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: typically have a third and we've kicked him off. He's 269 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: processes of elimination. By the end of today's episode, we're 270 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: gonna have some shadowy league figure from upstairs come and 271 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: make a decision. Yeah. I don't think you will actually 272 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: see him. I think he's just you know, it will 273 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: be phantom. It's like that Joe Pesci and good Fellas. 274 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: When you get back to your office, I think you'll 275 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: just have You won't see your name tag anymore. They'll 276 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:55,199 Speaker 1: just it'll be blanking. You'll know more than we do. 277 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: Thank you, buddy for coming on. We appreciate it. What 278 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: you got going on the rest of this summer during 279 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: your breakcre just training, you know, I meaning a lot 280 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: of different people, you know, making sure that I'm ready 281 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 1: to go back being in you know, full health and 282 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 1: full shape. Um. But yeah, enjoying the Calli's son until 283 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: I get back and got to enjoy that that real 284 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: New York key, you know. Yeah, I've it's the humidity 285 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:17,959 Speaker 1: that gets you. As a native New Yorker, I could 286 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 1: say that Cavan. Thank you buddy, and uh, good luck. 287 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: Can't wait to watch the ball. Yeah, but you know 288 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: those are you You're very insightful. I just think, you know, 289 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: personal information shouldn't be here, you know, Yeah, the the 290 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: spoons stuff with his head coach, that's I point taking. 291 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: It's just a question hardboard box out for you after 292 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: that time. I was just simply curious about that on 293 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: my own. But I but I understand why you would 294 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: not want to answer that, you know. Yeah, I think 295 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: that's fair. You know, I think you only got like 296 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: two more shaky's and you might be on a different podcast. 297 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: Two more shaky's for Mark sel all right, came on, 298 00:14:55,280 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: Thank you buddy, appreciate you guys. Alright, Mark, we were 299 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: making the quest towards friendship with Cavon Thibodeaux. Where do 300 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: you think we stand after that conversation. I think we 301 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: got friend zoned to some degree and not in the 302 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: way that we were angling for. Um, you know we 303 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: are our show has a certain flavor to it, and uh, 304 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: I thought we pursued that flavor to some degree. Um. 305 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: I don't think I would not call at a home 306 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: run out of the park. In terms of his enjoyment 307 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: of the of the event, it was. It was fine. 308 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: I thought overall I did. I knew we were in 309 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: for an interesting fifteen minutes when before we started, Cavan, 310 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: you know, he's curious what we were gonna be talking about. 311 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: And then he looked at your computer screen and I 312 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: was like, oh, my goodness, if he sees the madness 313 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: of a Mark Sessler question before we start, And sure enough, 314 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: you know he wasn't into all the questions. I would 315 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: say that came out of the mind of Mark Sesler. 316 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: Is it so wrong that I actually, when I think 317 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: of certain individuals like a Brian day Ball, there are 318 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: moments I'm sure with his significant other or whoever, it's 319 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: it's fine with anyone that he has spooned, And I'm 320 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: curious as to which position, uh he would prefer. Not 321 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: every man is a is a back. I would just 322 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: I would just I would say, maybe there is a 323 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: teachable moment in there. I imagine there is in an 324 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: going quest to be a great interviewer at allah a 325 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: Barbara Walters with the soft focused and eight that type 326 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: of situation that maybe a lot of these guys don't 327 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: want to talk about, like spooning and the head coach, 328 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: especially rookies coming into the league, that you know it 329 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: makes perfect sense here. I was out of place potentially, 330 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: and I think the follow up asking about you and 331 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: I and Tights taking him on in a grappling match 332 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: probably was not the direction to go. And I how 333 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: do you how do you think that went? One out 334 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: of ten? Three? Excuse me, grape digger. Three. Well we 335 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: got some good stuff about about paying for dinner or whatever. Sure, yeah, 336 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: real nugget, all right, but we survived. I think so far, 337 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: so far, it put us ill at ease. I think 338 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: you and I had a couple of shared a couple 339 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: of looks during the whole process. You know, it's like, 340 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: can someone come out of the wilderness and shoot me? Now? Yeah, 341 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: we're not. We're gonna be all right. And we still 342 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: I'm not giving up on the quest to be friends 343 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: with Cabon. I think we took a step back. I 344 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 1: would say, you know, friendship has those ebb and flow moments, 345 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 1: and so you know we have to be resilient um 346 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:37,239 Speaker 1: and seek his friendship and potentially a different way. All right, 347 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 1: let's hit uh, let's hit a break and then do 348 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 1: the news. But you do want a beer from don't? 349 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: All right, let's get into it. Let's hey, Mark Seler, 350 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: let's spin Okay, I don't like that approach. That's that's 351 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 1: but yes we shall that's not a bad podcast idea 352 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 1: spin forward with Kotler. I don't like that. I don't 353 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: like the get like sixty eight tweets about that. Over 354 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: the next seventy two hours. Let's start, as we must 355 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: in this year, Deshaun Watson. Let's check in on his situation. 356 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: We'll start with the reporting that came out over the 357 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: weekend the Wall Street Journals Andrew Beaton reports that the 358 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: NFL will push for a indefinite suspension that would last 359 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 1: no shorter than one year for Watson, um who has 360 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: been taking part in the Browns offseason program. I think 361 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: Cleveland brass which in general is laying low with this 362 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:51,640 Speaker 1: mark and hoping you can imagine and assume that they're 363 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 1: gonna have Watson in some form on the field this season. 364 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: But according to this reporting, the NFL is making a 365 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 1: hard push to keep him off the field for at 366 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: least one year, and indefinite suspension would uh potentially take 367 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: him off the field for more than the season. And 368 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: of course, he missed all one when everything was unfurling 369 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: around him the legal situation, and then we also got 370 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:21,400 Speaker 1: an update UM about the lawsuit and the ongoing litigation 371 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: involving the Watson. Involving Watson, the Houston Texans were formally 372 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: named as defendants on Monday and the ongoing civil litigation 373 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 1: involving their former quarterback. UH. This from UH Tony Busby, 374 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 1: the Houston attorney who at one time represented twenty five 375 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 1: different women with lawsuits against Watson. Many of them have 376 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: been settled now, but there are still ongoing lawsuits. Today 377 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: we filed the first case of what will likely be 378 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:52,120 Speaker 1: many against the Houston Texans related to Deshaun Watson's behavior. 379 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: Buzby said, right, and that you know there are details 380 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: inside the lawsuit against the Texans, UM that I that 381 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: particularly someone I find disturbing. UH. The Cleveland Browns kept 382 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 1: saying over and over, we were competent with the homework 383 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 1: that we did before we engaged with the Shawn Watson 384 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 1: and made him the richest player in the entire league. 385 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: But there's a quote inside this lawsuit that says, despite 386 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: claims that it did extensive due diligence, not one question 387 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 1: was asked by Watson's new employer. The Browns of the 388 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 1: victims about Watson's alleged behavior. No effort was made to 389 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: obtain the police file or speak to the investigating offers. 390 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: It's a terrible look for the Cleveland Browns because everything 391 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,360 Speaker 1: they've told us not a surprise, sounds like an utter 392 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 1: lie at this point, and they're in a disastrous situation. 393 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: If Watson is suspended for a year plus, he's gonna 394 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: his hearing will take place in front of Sue L. Robinson. 395 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: It's gonna be a little bit different than some of 396 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 1: these UH hearings in the past, where would be a 397 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: Goodell's decision alone. And I mean, it's notable that the 398 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: NFL p A is going to defend Watson to some 399 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: degree from a any suspension deems inappropriate or excessive, so 400 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 1: he's there is another side to this, But I it 401 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: just feels to me like the NFL and all the 402 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: reportings suggests are pushing to get him out of the 403 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 1: mix for this entire season and completely reset the board 404 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: for next year. And it could be longer than that too, 405 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,400 Speaker 1: And I think that's all we know about this case. 406 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: It should be a year long suspension in my opinion, 407 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 1: and the process has obviously kind of drawn dragged out 408 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: over the course of You remember there was report last 409 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: month that the NFL wanted to have UH this situation 410 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: figured out in terms of potential suspension in June, and 411 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: here we are now in very late June. So we'll 412 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 1: see what comes out of this UM meeting, UH, with 413 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:41,120 Speaker 1: this hearing with Sue L. Robinson, So the Watson situation ongoing, 414 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 1: We'll see what happens next. In other news, God, the 415 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:52,120 Speaker 1: Browns got themselves in a whole what a mess. I mean, 416 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: it's like, you know, if if you think where they 417 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 1: were last offseason, where they had come off a playoff 418 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: victory over the Pittsburgh's Dealers, you thought that you were 419 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 1: getting the better version of Baker Mayfield. You're the coach 420 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: of the year, and I think that coach of the 421 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: Year Kevin Stefanski quietly has to be beyond beyond, absolutely 422 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,400 Speaker 1: incensed with what's gone down here because he's been put 423 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 1: up in a terrible position. Jacoby Brissette potentially could be 424 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 1: starting seventeen games for a team that looks like they'll 425 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: be the worst team in the a f C North 426 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: that that's the case. UH. In other news, Pro Football Talks, 427 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: Mike Florio reports that Saints running back Alan Kamara is 428 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 1: bracing for a suspension of at least six games. You 429 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: will remember that Kamara um is facing felony battery charges 430 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:41,360 Speaker 1: for allegedly throwing punches Um at an incident in Las Vegas. Uh. 431 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 1: We'll see what this means for the Saints. But I 432 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: think this is something that UM caught me a little 433 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 1: bit by surprise. I remember when the news came out 434 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 1: and there was some video, uh tape evidence of what 435 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 1: had happened Um. And now here we are in a 436 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,159 Speaker 1: situation where you can miss a substantial part of the 437 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: season for a Saints team that depending how you look 438 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: at the you could see them as a real NFC player, 439 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: losing your best player for that amount of time potential, 440 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: even if it got appealed down to four games, that's substantial. Yeah. 441 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 1: And I think what's part of it is the timing 442 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: of it, because Florio noted that, you know, the the 443 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: NFL may wait until the legal process on this one 444 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: plays out, but maybe it could be later in the season. 445 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 1: But I think you know, in that offense, which has 446 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:26,439 Speaker 1: obviously improved its wide receiver group, but Jamis Winston, you 447 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: know it depends what version of Jamis Winston you get. 448 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,959 Speaker 1: But losing Kamara is not unlike losing a Christian McCaffrey 449 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: in Caroline. I mean, it's that important to me. And And 450 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,680 Speaker 1: I think it's probably also taking fantasy heads and having 451 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: their heads explode because I don't know what's gonna happen 452 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: with them. Yeah, no, that's a good call. Hey, look 453 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 1: at you with the fantasy analysis there, Mark, that's a 454 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: great pim zoned in on when they're agitated about things. Yeah, 455 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:52,160 Speaker 1: he it makes him either somebody that you you're gonna drop, 456 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 1: take off your board entirely. Yeah, it's all over the map. 457 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: But we need to see where that you stash him. Well, 458 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 1: it depends what kind of draft people were scared off him. 459 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 1: You grab him at a at a value zone and 460 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: then he's only out for four games or to six games. 461 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: Well that's a great, Mark, Thank you. Alright, time for 462 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: news and Notes presented by up work, where you can 463 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: build the team that will build your business. Learn more 464 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: at upwork dot com. This is just kind of moving 465 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: the timeline of the story along, so I'll just pass 466 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: it along here, Mark, and interested in your thoughts. Quarterback 467 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo. His timetable for throwing remains on schedule after 468 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: offseason's shoulder surgery. That from ESPN's Jeremy Fowler, the expectation 469 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 1: has been that Garoppolo had the right shoulder surgery in March, 470 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: will throw over the next few weeks after he's been cleared, 471 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: and that plan remains in place. So it's kind of 472 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 1: a story, non story, update, non update. But I imagine 473 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: there are certain people Jimmy Garoppolo and his agent for starters, 474 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: the Niners are probably cool at this getting this information 475 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: out here. Hey, he's okay, everything on schedule, he's he's 476 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: ready to start throwing. He'll be your quarterback if you 477 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 1: want him in September. And yet there's zero whisper at 478 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: all about their being a market for Jimmy Garoppolo. I 479 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 1: think it's a problematic scenario. I mean, you'd have to 480 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 1: look at like, in theory, the Panthers could be interested, 481 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: but there's a Baker Mayfield situation, and you're not trading 482 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 1: them to the Seattle Seahawks. And so what team out 483 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 1: there wants to sign Jimmy Garoppolo for twenty six or 484 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: twenty four plus million? But then you have them come 485 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 1: in maybe five or six weeks before you're before you're 486 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: playing actual regular season games and acclimating him as a 487 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: starting quarterback. It feels like a tough set, would you 488 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,360 Speaker 1: so you rule out any chance that they would deal 489 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: within the division. I don't rule it out depending on 490 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 1: what they could get in return, because I feel like 491 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,360 Speaker 1: that would take precedence if they could get the best 492 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,919 Speaker 1: deal from Seattle. Not to say that this is something 493 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: it probably isn't really reality. They don't want to put 494 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 1: trade him within the division. But also I don't get 495 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: the feeling that Kyle Shanahan and is necessarily thinking that 496 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: Garoppolo is a difference maker, hence why they're looking to 497 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: trade him in the in the first place. So maybe 498 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 1: that would almost be the best place to trade him 499 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: when you want to look at depending on your perspective 500 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 1: on this. I mean, Shanahan seems so loyal to Jimmy 501 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: G two and like he's hung around much longer than 502 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: people thought, and you know, started the entire season last year, 503 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: and in reverse, I don't sense immense confidence in Trey Lance. 504 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 1: It just seems like a little bit of a strange situation. 505 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: But this is the thing like the whole market changes 506 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,679 Speaker 1: for Baker Mayfield, for Jimmy g When we get to 507 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 1: camp and in two starting quarterbacks have their knees wrecked 508 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 1: or something, that that's when the trade market goes crazy 509 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,880 Speaker 1: and you'd have a situation like when Sam Bradford got 510 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: moved for like a first rounder, because the need suddenly 511 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 1: changes that there's no need for Jimmy Garoppolo right now. 512 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 1: Trey Lance has worked with the forty niners um first 513 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,640 Speaker 1: team offense during the off season, while Garoppolo has spent 514 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,959 Speaker 1: his offseason rehabbing here in Southern California. So Niners look 515 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: like a team ready to move on, but they first 516 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: need to be able to move there from your current 517 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: quarterback or starting quarterback. So we'll see where that goes. 518 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: All right, finally in the news, all right, Mark, here 519 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 1: we are a little uh the boxing, the the NFL 520 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: players boxing. Where did you come down on the NFL 521 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 1: players boxing, I mean boxing, whatever it is. I've never 522 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,639 Speaker 1: made the effort to go watch one of these fights. 523 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: I think that's indicative of my interests. Fair enough, I'm 524 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 1: gonna just gonna pass this one along as well. Then, 525 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: But that there's a matchup in the works between two 526 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 1: of the great running backs of the past, you know, 527 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: twenty years or at least it's at certain points in 528 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:47,360 Speaker 1: their career, Adrian Peterson and Levan Bell squaring off. Who 529 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 1: do you got? I'll tell you I got Adrian Peterson. 530 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: You ever shake hands with that man? His his hands 531 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 1: NFL Honors. It was the year you stepped on Ryan 532 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:01,919 Speaker 1: Tannehill's wife's purse, Lauren Tannehill's white like white leather. Purson 533 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 1: heard something crack and specially heard something crack, and we 534 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 1: just kind of shuffled away quietly. Sorry, grave digger. Uh, 535 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 1: he was on the Donalds at the time. If it 536 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 1: makes you feel better. Um, I shook his hand and 537 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:18,640 Speaker 1: he nearly broke every bone I have in my right hand. 538 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 1: So I imagine he's a freight train when he put 539 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,639 Speaker 1: the gloves on and Levy on Bell. You know, I 540 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: don't have much feelings positive um on his athletic ability, 541 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,120 Speaker 1: whether whatever the sport at this point. Yeah, I put 542 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,919 Speaker 1: my my least car in our rental home. Um up 543 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 1: forbid on the fact that Adrian Peterson takes this. I mean, 544 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: who do you trust that Levian Bell is even training adequately? 545 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: Based on just the experience in the last couple of years. 546 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: I don't know what he's you know, Adrian Peterson's ready. 547 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 1: That guy would love to get back in the league. 548 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 1: But he did not. Did he play last season? I'm sorry, 549 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: I apologize. Had a few he had a couple of weeks. 550 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 1: He he scored a touchdown against the Rams at Sofi Stadium, 551 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: a moment and there was a whole news story about 552 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: Adrian's handshake when the Titans signed him. So I think 553 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: that it was like a thing that he had you 554 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 1: with us, that he would take this this bat. And 555 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 1: that was News and Notes presented by up work, the 556 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: world's work marketplace. Learn more at up work dot com. Um, 557 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: that's what's happening in the news. We'll be right back, 558 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 1: all right, buddy, UH mail back when in doubt, just 559 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 1: go break glass and get the listeners Uh involved with 560 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 1: the program, and I'll just be completely honest. Mark, Sometimes 561 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 1: I send out the bat signal for the mail bag. 562 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: I don't get what I'm looking for. This time, the 563 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: listeners stepped up some good questions and I'm going to 564 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 1: share them right now here on around the other. Good 565 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,239 Speaker 1: job by them, I do agree. There's been times when 566 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: the mailbag had very little offer. I hope this is different. 567 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 1: All right, let's hit it. You've got mail. Wasn't it 568 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: so great when you would for you know, people came 569 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 1: of age in the nineties, when you heard that you 570 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 1: got mail. I was like, oh, yes, someone wants to 571 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: connect with me. It would it would um speed up 572 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: your pulse. It's not unlike when you're you know, writing 573 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,719 Speaker 1: people online today and you can see that they're like 574 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: typing and you know that something's coming, and it's just 575 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 1: like this is this is exciting for me. Grave Digger too, 576 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 1: I can see the look in the I don't know 577 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 1: if he was around for the A O L. I'm 578 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 1: talking about today's technically the internet dot dot dot yeah, 579 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 1: oh yeah, especially if it's you know, a certain individual. 580 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 1: Well who what who would that be? For you? Well, 581 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 1: I'm talking about Graver? Oh? I see, yes, absolutely. Do 582 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 1: you guys communicate online often? Grave Digger? Oh? Are we 583 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 1: text like normal people? Okay? Did she ever leave you 584 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 1: hanging on red? Never? Now we both have read receipts 585 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: turned off, so I actually wouldn't even know if she did. 586 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 1: I like that strategy. Do you have your tart off? Yes? 587 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: You have your red receipt turned off? Does everybody do that? 588 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 1: I'd like to keep it transparent. Yeah, it's it's interesting. 589 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 1: I know Erica talked about this on Split Ends, but 590 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: she does it to like psychologically manipulate the people she's texting. Shocker, oh, 591 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: ricky Hollywood. I wonder how she's doing. I actually did 592 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 1: text with her little bit yesterday. She seemed to be 593 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 1: in good spirits already her and then she asked me 594 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 1: a question that I never responded to. So I'm turning 595 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: the tables there to speak psychological how you do it? All? Right? 596 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 1: Here we go, let's get into it. Mail bag time. 597 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 1: Let's start right here. Let's see. Oh, this is kind 598 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 1: of to both of us from Kevin Rodgers. Would it 599 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 1: be depressing or intriguing for YouTube to watch Sam Donald 600 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: and Baker Mayfield battle for the Panthers QB job, given 601 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: that your Browns and Jets wants picked them to lead 602 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 1: those teams. Sam Donald, I would say, it's ironic if 603 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 1: that's what ends up happening. Yeah, I kind of find it, 604 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: and it would be intriguing actually, And it's the journey 605 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: of those two has already been so depressing that um, 606 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 1: it just comes full circle to where they're battling each other. 607 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 1: I think that would be one of the more intriguing 608 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: August plotlines. Sure, and I you know a couple of things. 609 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: And I posted it a few months back before the draft. 610 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 1: The shot of us at the Cozy Inn in Culver 611 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 1: City toasting to a new era of Jets and Brown's 612 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 1: football on Draft night in two thousand and eighteen. Um 613 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 1: kind of sad in retrospect, we were so overconfident to 614 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 1: such fool and clowns, such fools. And then there is 615 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 1: the other take, which is a deeply unpopular take, both 616 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 1: on this podcast and elsewhere. I still believe on some 617 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 1: level that Sam Donald could thrive or at least be 618 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 1: Baker let Mayfield good. Baker Mayfield with the Browns proficient 619 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: in the right set up. And I think Baker could 620 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 1: look as bad as Donald did if he was with 621 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 1: the Jets and Panthers. I still think Donald could win 622 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: that debate, as sad as that debate has now become. 623 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 1: I appreciate your faith, but I until proven otherwise, I 624 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 1: think that of Donald Morris at bottom five quarterback, well, 625 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 1: I apologize it's not my quarterback anymore. Uh, this is 626 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 1: a tough one from Mike Atkins mark, what's one NFL 627 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 1: storyline this summer no one is talking about but should 628 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 1: be headline news. My feeling on this is that that's 629 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 1: really not how the NFL works anymore. Uh, that everything 630 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: gets I sected, And if there was a story that 631 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 1: was a big enough story, it probably has been discussed. 632 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 1: But I don't know if anybody has anything. Is there 633 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 1: a starting quarterback coming off shoulder surgery outside of Garoppolo 634 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 1: or some type of serious rehab that's kind of going 635 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 1: under the radar. I don't I'm with you. I feel 636 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 1: like the news cycle is so exhaustive and and we 637 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 1: even on this show. I think occasionally hitting news topics 638 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,799 Speaker 1: if we're light that really maybe wouldn't make it in 639 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: a in a busier time. Today could be an example 640 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,280 Speaker 1: of that. So I I don't think that there's mystery 641 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 1: storylines out there that that that fascinate me. Anything Gray 642 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 1: jumps to mind for you. I think we got it 643 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 1: covered basically. Maybe it's just a kind of a humble 644 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 1: bragg in a way got it. Like everything that I'm 645 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,239 Speaker 1: trying to think of, we've at least covered on this 646 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,280 Speaker 1: show specifically, So I can't even you know, like maybe 647 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 1: the Bill's offensive coordinator situation is a bigger deal than 648 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 1: we thought. Like I just know for personal experience, the 649 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 1: Titans change offensive. Cordy art Smith went and got the 650 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 1: Falcons head coaching job, and everyone in Tennessee was like, Oh, 651 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 1: we're going to run the same offense. We're promoting from within, 652 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 1: so it's gonna be fine. And then the offense was 653 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,760 Speaker 1: a disaster for most of the year. I worry about 654 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 1: that for the Bills, but we talked about that, like 655 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,400 Speaker 1: with Kyle Brant, we talked about that, so well, you know, 656 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,360 Speaker 1: that's a That's a good point though, because that it 657 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,439 Speaker 1: has been covered because The Athletic just did a huge 658 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 1: feature on that. It was it was last week. But 659 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 1: in it Kevin Gilbride who talked about the first year 660 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 1: that he called plays for the the Oilers back then 661 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,400 Speaker 1: that you know, behind the scenes, he was panicking on 662 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 1: a week two week basis because he had never called 663 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,840 Speaker 1: plays at that moment. And he talked about, like years later, 664 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 1: like your toolbox or your acumen and your ability in 665 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 1: a panic situation, and it's this type two minute drill 666 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,719 Speaker 1: to use more of your playbook came naturally, but in 667 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,839 Speaker 1: that first season it was a huge mess. And Ken 668 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 1: Dorsey has never done this, and Brian Table had years 669 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,879 Speaker 1: and years of experience. So I think that's a fair one. 670 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 1: All right, let's move on. Steve Olvera asks if you 671 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,920 Speaker 1: could change one play in NFL history and create a 672 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 1: butterfly effect that would alter the current NFL landscape for 673 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:01,400 Speaker 1: all eternity. What play would you change? You know what? 674 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,280 Speaker 1: This one? It kind of popped into my head pretty quickly. UM, 675 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:10,400 Speaker 1: I would go back to I believe it was January nine, three, 676 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:15,960 Speaker 1: maybe January two, and the Bo Jackson hip injury he 677 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,640 Speaker 1: suffered in the playoffs UH that year with the Oakland Raiders. 678 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:26,800 Speaker 1: Um Bo Jackson to this January thirteenth against the Bengals, 679 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 1: UH in the divisional playoffs suffered a he was tackled, 680 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 1: He kind of was the tackler grabbed his leg. Uh. 681 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 1: Bo Jackson lunged and it led to a terrible hip 682 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 1: injury that eventually fractured and dislocated hip. He had to 683 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 1: have the hip replace. It instantly ended his NFL career. 684 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 1: He came back eventually. UH. In baseball, the first you know, 685 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 1: a huge two sports star bow was but was never 686 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,640 Speaker 1: close to the same guy. Uh And I to this, 687 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,279 Speaker 1: to this point in my life, I still don't think 688 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,959 Speaker 1: there was a more exciting you're paying athlete then Peak 689 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 1: Bo Jackson and what he was able to do in 690 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,880 Speaker 1: two sports as an All Star. Uh So that injury 691 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 1: as cruel as it was, I think he was seven 692 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:12,879 Speaker 1: years old. That would be my pick. Remember watching that game. 693 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,960 Speaker 1: That's a great call. I mean, that's that completely changed 694 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,040 Speaker 1: the NFL because he was one of the most electrifying, 695 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 1: jaw dropping athletes of our time. I'd have to go. 696 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,480 Speaker 1: I'd be disingenuous if I didn't, and I won't spend 697 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,719 Speaker 1: a ton of time on this. Ernest Biner's fumble on 698 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:33,600 Speaker 1: January sev in the second a f C Championship against 699 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,000 Speaker 1: the Denver Broncos, where they lost that game thirty eight 700 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:37,960 Speaker 1: to thirty three. They were down twenty one three at 701 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,160 Speaker 1: half um in Mile High. They had played their worst 702 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,200 Speaker 1: half of football the entire season, and then came storming 703 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:45,719 Speaker 1: back to make it one of the best games of 704 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,560 Speaker 1: all time. And they wouldn't have gotten there to begin 705 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:52,040 Speaker 1: with without Ernest Biner, who was the kind of running 706 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,320 Speaker 1: back who was such a weapon out of the backfield 707 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,080 Speaker 1: as a past receiver as well, that he fits so 708 00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,520 Speaker 1: well into that office and did everything for them. Kevin 709 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,120 Speaker 1: Mack was sick in that game, so it was all 710 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,400 Speaker 1: on Ernest Biner to basically handle the comeback from the 711 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,040 Speaker 1: backfield position, and he was glorious and he had a 712 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,040 Speaker 1: couple of plays that I think would have changed the 713 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 1: way that we think about him entirely, because I'm not 714 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:15,480 Speaker 1: saying he's a Hall of Famer, but Ernest Biner's fumble 715 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 1: is the only thing most people know about him and 716 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:19,959 Speaker 1: he and he went on to win a Super Bowl 717 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:21,920 Speaker 1: title with Washington where he was an incredible He had 718 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,560 Speaker 1: an incredible serion had that moment. I'm so glad he did, 719 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 1: and like you know, I met him in person. He 720 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,640 Speaker 1: is a genuinely wonderful guy who I think learned and 721 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:33,480 Speaker 1: taught other people about failure through that fumble and everything 722 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,360 Speaker 1: that happened. But I do think had they won that game, um, 723 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 1: you know, they went on to the Denver went on 724 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,719 Speaker 1: to lose to Washington in a wipe out a couple 725 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:42,480 Speaker 1: of weeks later. I think Cleveland could have given them 726 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 1: a much better fight. And I was in seventh grade 727 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,439 Speaker 1: and it destroyed my world. I was walking around middle 728 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:51,719 Speaker 1: school like a ghost for like the next two months. Sports. 729 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,080 Speaker 1: I've had moments like that myself. And you know exactly 730 00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,319 Speaker 1: where you were when the heartbreak get you. Uh the 731 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,000 Speaker 1: old Barcels quote that he had to walk away when 732 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,279 Speaker 1: the losing hurt more than the winning felt good. It's 733 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,000 Speaker 1: kind of like the sports fan experience, like even when 734 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:10,160 Speaker 1: the great things have happened, um, those crushing losses, they 735 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,280 Speaker 1: just kind of hang with you a little bit more, Alright. 736 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:16,200 Speaker 1: This one from Alex Everson, when is Mark's next solo 737 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:21,279 Speaker 1: holiday or vacation into a Ceed motel. It feels like 738 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,040 Speaker 1: it has been sometime since he has had a non 739 00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 1: stay cation trip, yet he's still been on the pod. 740 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:33,640 Speaker 1: Uh So this offseason, I've taken a different tack. Um, 741 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,120 Speaker 1: this is the idea that I'm staying in Ceed motels. 742 00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,239 Speaker 1: We already clarified that there are three and four star 743 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,520 Speaker 1: even hotels. They are and they're typically you know, dotted 744 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 1: around town. I've learned that Los Angeles is about as 745 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,400 Speaker 1: good of a place on a staycation as I'll go 746 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,320 Speaker 1: anywhere else. And I you know, when you have kids 747 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,279 Speaker 1: and the whole thing going on I'm not gonna be 748 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,040 Speaker 1: going to India for two weeks, although Gregg is in Japan, 749 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:56,560 Speaker 1: but he's you know, I'm not. I'm not going to 750 00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,799 Speaker 1: mean there's none of those type of adventures. So I 751 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,759 Speaker 1: like to do the little tours three day staycations that 752 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:07,399 Speaker 1: are dotted in between our shows. And I can't talk 753 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,359 Speaker 1: about much that occurs on the on these staycations. Just yeah, 754 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,120 Speaker 1: he can't say everything. But just understand what you're hearing 755 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:17,239 Speaker 1: right now is the soundtrack of a Mark stay or 756 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 1: action like blasting this one out of the hotel window. 757 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,200 Speaker 1: What else you got one? You got one that you 758 00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,040 Speaker 1: grabbed from the old mail bag. Yes, if you could 759 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:32,880 Speaker 1: pick any guest to join for a podcast and after party, 760 00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:34,879 Speaker 1: who would you pick? And why? And I'm gonna say, 761 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,400 Speaker 1: I'm gonna add um and I don't Actually I should 762 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,839 Speaker 1: research shoo. I just copy the question, So I'm sorry 763 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:41,399 Speaker 1: if you were the one that that sent this out, 764 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,600 Speaker 1: I didn't do that research. But it could be a 765 00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:47,720 Speaker 1: person of history of the past two I'm including anyone. 766 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:52,200 Speaker 1: They don't have to currently be alive. Okay, that's an 767 00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:57,320 Speaker 1: easy one. Napoleon does he speak English? Uh? No, not 768 00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,920 Speaker 1: so that's that would go about as well as to 769 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:06,920 Speaker 1: days uh guest appearance went um. I was thinking about 770 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:12,400 Speaker 1: this um, this song which was performed by the Weather Girls. 771 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:19,919 Speaker 1: Do we have this graver? I think we do. What's 772 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,400 Speaker 1: happening here the Weather Girls who performed this song. I 773 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,919 Speaker 1: think it's an underrated song. I think we could happen 774 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:27,880 Speaker 1: to come on. I'd like to have musicians on the 775 00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,600 Speaker 1: show at times, time to time, still with us. The 776 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,920 Speaker 1: song came out many many days, right, but I already 777 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,839 Speaker 1: said it doesn't like that they would come back. They 778 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,759 Speaker 1: come You've said Napoleon on the show. I mean you 779 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:40,560 Speaker 1: remember the night when I was not able to join 780 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,960 Speaker 1: you at the Cozy for New Year's where from my 781 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,200 Speaker 1: house I had the app where you could play because 782 00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,560 Speaker 1: he's jukebox, and I played this song nineteen times in 783 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,799 Speaker 1: a row. I don't know if it actually went through. 784 00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:53,600 Speaker 1: I think that technology wise, they got you and they 785 00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,520 Speaker 1: kept the money too. But a great idea. Yeah, it 786 00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,600 Speaker 1: seems unfair. I would you know, I would like maybe 787 00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,480 Speaker 1: a little Debby, you know, I would get I'd like 788 00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:05,200 Speaker 1: to maybe get little Debbie back on the show. I 789 00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:06,600 Speaker 1: don't know if that's in the spirit of the question 790 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,640 Speaker 1: went too because I was telling someone the other week 791 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,520 Speaker 1: that that was a time that you know, I did 792 00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:13,840 Speaker 1: a lot of the leg work to get her on 793 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:15,759 Speaker 1: the show, and then she came in and I was 794 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,680 Speaker 1: essentially sort of star struck and not in my personality 795 00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:24,320 Speaker 1: for like the first who is a accomplished Bay Area 796 00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,600 Speaker 1: I believe um rapper, and she came on the show 797 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:31,120 Speaker 1: a couple of times, uh about five years ago or 798 00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:36,040 Speaker 1: so now, Big Raiders fan Mark went alone and I 799 00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:37,759 Speaker 1: think you were like in the front row for a 800 00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,680 Speaker 1: little Debbie concert. Well there were no seats, but I 801 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,000 Speaker 1: covered around the m Yes, and then she came in. 802 00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:45,440 Speaker 1: And when she came in, she had her and her 803 00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:50,120 Speaker 1: associates had before the show had hot boxed in their 804 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,279 Speaker 1: box their car and then came in and shared some 805 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,440 Speaker 1: goods with us, and then we we had that conversation. 806 00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,200 Speaker 1: I think it'd be cool to check check in with her, 807 00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,960 Speaker 1: especially in light of the Davante Ad acquisition by the Raiders, 808 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,080 Speaker 1: and you know she's tracking that very very closely. Uh. 809 00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,520 Speaker 1: This from Corbin du Bois. See some people might say 810 00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,000 Speaker 1: the boys and maybe it is, but I'm gonna go 811 00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,880 Speaker 1: with Corbin du Bois, Well, you got the Quebec thing right, 812 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:19,480 Speaker 1: so I'm gonna try back. Yeah. Do you know that 813 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:23,160 Speaker 1: the Athletic NFL podcast declared there is now a car 814 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,560 Speaker 1: continuum which feels a lot like it infringes on the 815 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:30,320 Speaker 1: Dalton scale. I p you may have to declare vengeance 816 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,440 Speaker 1: until you can have Nate Tye and Robert May's on 817 00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:37,200 Speaker 1: for some peacemaking listen where not the Police of NFL podcasts? 818 00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,839 Speaker 1: And I I like both these gentlemen a lot. We've 819 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,520 Speaker 1: had Nate on the show several times. In fact, um, 820 00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,799 Speaker 1: I don't know the details of the car continuum if 821 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,920 Speaker 1: it's the same of what the Dalton scale uh is about? 822 00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,480 Speaker 1: If it is, so be it. It wasn't our idea anyway, 823 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,479 Speaker 1: it was Chris Westling's idea. So for us to uh 824 00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,680 Speaker 1: police it that, I don't even think that passes the 825 00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,400 Speaker 1: sniff test. So how fun with your football talk, especially 826 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,840 Speaker 1: in the offseason. Yeah, I don't have a huge amount 827 00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,200 Speaker 1: of energy right now to add like new grudges to 828 00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,719 Speaker 1: the lineup. Some of them that I'm involved in don't 829 00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:13,040 Speaker 1: even aren't even aware. Well I'm not even like enjoying them, 830 00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,560 Speaker 1: they're not That's not necessarily fun. So yeah, keep on 831 00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:21,840 Speaker 1: keeping on athletic. Alright. A couple of more from Susannah 832 00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:27,600 Speaker 1: h This question a better fit here versus uh, what 833 00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,839 Speaker 1: does a quarterback I have to accomplish to pass Tom 834 00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,120 Speaker 1: Brady is the goat? You can't just be super Bowl rings, right, 835 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:36,719 Speaker 1: say you get three or four rings, but are better 836 00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,560 Speaker 1: in other metrics? What is a hypothetical resume that can 837 00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:44,319 Speaker 1: compete with Brady? Good question, Let's start here. I think 838 00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,440 Speaker 1: you need that team success. You have to have at 839 00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:50,799 Speaker 1: least I know Brady has seven. So we're talking. The 840 00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:54,080 Speaker 1: conversation to me starts at five or so, right, and 841 00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:55,799 Speaker 1: then on top of it, now, Brady has been a 842 00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,879 Speaker 1: monster statistical producer. Um, that's gonna own every record. So 843 00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,839 Speaker 1: I don't not to be so obvious about it, but yeah, 844 00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,480 Speaker 1: somebody's had to come along, come along, play for twenty 845 00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:12,279 Speaker 1: plus years and combine what the greatest statistical build up 846 00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,319 Speaker 1: ever with you know, a handful of rings and then 847 00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:16,879 Speaker 1: some I don't know if it's going to happen though, 848 00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,680 Speaker 1: I don't see it. I think it's longevity with no 849 00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:24,040 Speaker 1: drop off. Um, and how about this winning super Bowls 850 00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,000 Speaker 1: with multiple teams? Because part of what Brady did. Had 851 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:28,359 Speaker 1: he gone to Tampa Bay and they were a ten 852 00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:29,960 Speaker 1: win team in the last couple of years. Fine, But 853 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,200 Speaker 1: like the idea that he transformed what was a loser 854 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:37,120 Speaker 1: franchise into what they are now in one season kind 855 00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,400 Speaker 1: of in a lot of people's mind ended the chicken 856 00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,479 Speaker 1: or egg like Belichick Brady debate to some degree. And 857 00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:46,840 Speaker 1: I don't understand. Number one quarterbacks cannot control their longevity 858 00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,319 Speaker 1: most of the most in the way that Brady has, 859 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:51,920 Speaker 1: whether they want to or not. Their bodies start to 860 00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:53,640 Speaker 1: give up at some point, and Brady is such an 861 00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:55,759 Speaker 1: outlier on that front that you'd have to play for 862 00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,640 Speaker 1: twenty years. Who's going to do that? Yeah? I would 863 00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,359 Speaker 1: The only thing I'd pushed back a little bit there, 864 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,239 Speaker 1: and what you said was that the Bucks were kind 865 00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:07,360 Speaker 1: of a team losers before he got there. He was 866 00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,640 Speaker 1: very smart and he went to a team that was 867 00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:14,080 Speaker 1: really well set up except for they were like hanging 868 00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,360 Speaker 1: onto this Jamis Winston dream, this dying dream that Winston 869 00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:21,080 Speaker 1: was a true franchise leader and a quarterback. And now 870 00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,160 Speaker 1: now it gets me mad because I wish I would 871 00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,920 Speaker 1: have said it when we did the Dalton Scale conversation 872 00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,040 Speaker 1: and Greg was pushing Winston up the list, as he 873 00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:33,200 Speaker 1: always seems to do. And isn't it interesting that the 874 00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:38,000 Speaker 1: Bucks went from Jamis Winston Mr. Thirty thirty season with 875 00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,440 Speaker 1: that really strong roster around him and they didn't go 876 00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,279 Speaker 1: anywhere to the next year Brady comes in and they 877 00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,800 Speaker 1: win the whole thing. Um, it speaks to both Winston 878 00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,759 Speaker 1: and Brady and their careers and what they've been able 879 00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:53,160 Speaker 1: to accomplish or not accomplished. So yeah, I think that 880 00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:56,760 Speaker 1: that team was a very good team that he made great. Um, 881 00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,560 Speaker 1: the defense was really good already, I mean, and they 882 00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,680 Speaker 1: were really good that year, and they were really good 883 00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,360 Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl getting all the pressure on the 884 00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:07,040 Speaker 1: home So Brady obviously is a huge factor, and like 885 00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:08,840 Speaker 1: is the kind of guy that motivates the rest of 886 00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:10,640 Speaker 1: the team to play to their best level because they 887 00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,960 Speaker 1: know they're super confident in the quarterback. But it was 888 00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,440 Speaker 1: a really good teach well at that time, it was. 889 00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,040 Speaker 1: It was a good It was a good set up 890 00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:21,400 Speaker 1: from I sort of more mean the Bucks franchise historically, 891 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,279 Speaker 1: outside of the John Gruden Super Bowl year, It's not 892 00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,520 Speaker 1: if I had to picture a post Patriots jersey that 893 00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:29,520 Speaker 1: Tom Brady was wearing the Bucks were not the first 894 00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,160 Speaker 1: team that I thought of it. It was a strange 895 00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,160 Speaker 1: I thought match, but it was the right time and 896 00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,520 Speaker 1: he maximized it. Speaking of jerseys, I got one more here, Mark, 897 00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:41,040 Speaker 1: This from M Bouche. Some people will say butcher, but 898 00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,000 Speaker 1: now I'm just you know, this is your new thing. 899 00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:46,000 Speaker 1: Like I like that. You're you're getting playful with the pronunciation. 900 00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,279 Speaker 1: This is a heat check. Bo U C h e R. 901 00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,120 Speaker 1: Hit me up, M Bouche and tell me if I'm right. 902 00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:59,040 Speaker 1: What teams need jersey updates the most. Um, Speaking of 903 00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,719 Speaker 1: Tom Brady, I think the Patriots. The two teams that 904 00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,600 Speaker 1: kind of spring to mind for me are the Patriots 905 00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:11,200 Speaker 1: and the Broncos, who both had nineteen nineties reboots, radical 906 00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:16,440 Speaker 1: reboots of their classic logos. And if you were a 907 00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,000 Speaker 1: sports fan or came in the age, came of age 908 00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,400 Speaker 1: in the nineties like I did. Mark, you came of 909 00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:26,440 Speaker 1: age in the eighties, but uh just eighteen eighties. Um. 910 00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:30,839 Speaker 1: A lot of the nineties sports jerseys aged terribly immediately 911 00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,920 Speaker 1: and eventually we're replaced. I think the flying Elvis for 912 00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,480 Speaker 1: the Patriots is obviously tricky because of Tom Brady. They 913 00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:42,760 Speaker 1: won six Super Bowls with Pat with the flying Elvis jersey, 914 00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,239 Speaker 1: So it would be really weird to abandon that at 915 00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:48,839 Speaker 1: this point and go back to Pat Patriot and the Red, 916 00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,560 Speaker 1: although they're gonna have a throwback jersey uh in a 917 00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,200 Speaker 1: game this season. So but I just think that's a 918 00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:57,240 Speaker 1: superior look for them. The Broncos have never been all 919 00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,960 Speaker 1: totally on board with their reboot, but now that I 920 00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:06,160 Speaker 1: think about it, they've won three Super Bowls uh since 921 00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,000 Speaker 1: and that came immediately after they rebooted out of their 922 00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:13,520 Speaker 1: original classic Orange Crush, So they have a similar issue 923 00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:17,200 Speaker 1: with that. So one man's opinion. I'm not a big 924 00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:20,240 Speaker 1: fan of those jerseys, but it's complicated by their success. 925 00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,640 Speaker 1: I would I would add the Carolina Panthers. I am 926 00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,080 Speaker 1: tired of the way they look and I think they 927 00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:30,680 Speaker 1: need a reboot. You're saying more pounding in terms of 928 00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:35,879 Speaker 1: the think tank. I would pound that issue. You would 929 00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:41,799 Speaker 1: keep pounding until someone listens. Additional pounding, additional pounding. All right, 930 00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,160 Speaker 1: do you have anything else? But how about this a 931 00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:48,080 Speaker 1: player that performed underperformed last year that you are like 932 00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,399 Speaker 1: money in the bank. You have them rounding back into 933 00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:54,120 Speaker 1: shape and becoming what we think they can become. Here's 934 00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,680 Speaker 1: where I'm going with this. Lamar Jackson, coming off an 935 00:49:56,719 --> 00:50:01,400 Speaker 1: injury plagued messy again, did not track the name. I 936 00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,480 Speaker 1: mean this is you know, I think how cool it 937 00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,840 Speaker 1: would be if you're your favorite show? How about what 938 00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,480 Speaker 1: you answer? I will look for this and kind of 939 00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,560 Speaker 1: presumptuous of me to say that whoever said that this 940 00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,040 Speaker 1: is their favorite show? But obviously it's a podcast they 941 00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,400 Speaker 1: like enough that they sent in the question, And what 942 00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,200 Speaker 1: a thrill it would be for you to say their name. 943 00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,320 Speaker 1: I think you've made the point. I am looking. I'm 944 00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,560 Speaker 1: looking right now for I've been bloviating for so long 945 00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:26,680 Speaker 1: that I don't even remember what the question was, Mark, 946 00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,520 Speaker 1: What was it? A player that had underperformed a lot 947 00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:33,799 Speaker 1: year ago, a rebound season, a big bounce back. Yes, 948 00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:38,480 Speaker 1: I like that one. Let's see looking at the old 949 00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:40,719 Speaker 1: and you've got Lamar Jackson. Yeah, you got a really 950 00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,839 Speaker 1: wax poetic Because I'm cycling through these tweets here, all right, 951 00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:49,280 Speaker 1: I'll throw it out there. Allen Robinson that completely disappeared 952 00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,879 Speaker 1: in his final season in Chicago. Now that you could, 953 00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:54,840 Speaker 1: depending how you look at it, you can see that 954 00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,080 Speaker 1: as that might have quit on that team a little bit, 955 00:50:58,120 --> 00:50:59,799 Speaker 1: but hey, that was a rough team to be in 956 00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,000 Speaker 1: with the final year with Matt Nage and all the 957 00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:06,120 Speaker 1: struggles they had, and a rookie Justin Fields who was 958 00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,040 Speaker 1: feeling his way through things. You know, you had late 959 00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:12,440 Speaker 1: period Andy Dalton involved. It was just a tough time 960 00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,840 Speaker 1: to be on that offense. But I think fresh start 961 00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:20,680 Speaker 1: with the Rams, the defending champions. You have in Cooper Cup, 962 00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,960 Speaker 1: a big time number one receiver who's going to attract 963 00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:28,640 Speaker 1: a lot of attention. It's possible that O'Dell Beckham returns 964 00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,360 Speaker 1: to the fold. They're still you have a great quarterback 965 00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,799 Speaker 1: in Matt Stafford obviously, and a great play caller in 966 00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:38,759 Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh. So Allen Robinson with the season that you know, 967 00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,080 Speaker 1: puts him back in Pro Bowl consideration. How about that? 968 00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,920 Speaker 1: And I have an update. Okay that tweet he or 969 00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:50,440 Speaker 1: anything I just said, be honest, Okay, that's fine, go ahead, competent. 970 00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:54,360 Speaker 1: I mean from a distance, the tweet came from Alex Smith. 971 00:51:55,280 --> 00:52:01,120 Speaker 1: One seven, so either now seven the number could have 972 00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:04,359 Speaker 1: an incredible amount of meeting to Alex Smith. I think 973 00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:10,719 Speaker 1: it me perhaps born in December, potentially a Russian bot 974 00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,719 Speaker 1: because I don't know too many people to do that 975 00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,640 Speaker 1: with at the end of their tagline numbers. All right, what, 976 00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,200 Speaker 1: thank you Alex for the question. What a thrill it 977 00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:21,200 Speaker 1: must have been to hear your name and so you say, 978 00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,880 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, I got Allen Robinson. Oh you did. I 979 00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:25,879 Speaker 1: didn't even notice that. I didn't. I wasn't even listening 980 00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:30,480 Speaker 1: to that part. That's a good answer, thanks buddy. All right, good, 981 00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:34,319 Speaker 1: let's let's close it up. Let's sign off, perhaps for 982 00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,080 Speaker 1: the last time. I'm just picked up the phone and 983 00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,359 Speaker 1: you heard you know, when somebody picks up the phone 984 00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:44,160 Speaker 1: when you're online and the old dial up days. Oh 985 00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,040 Speaker 1: I can I tell you one little quick thing that 986 00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:51,520 Speaker 1: happened to me that caused massive anxiety. So remember like 987 00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,760 Speaker 1: total phone, which was like three way calling essentially. Uh. 988 00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,480 Speaker 1: This was like seventh grade and my parents had a 989 00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,160 Speaker 1: bunch of people over and I was in my room. 990 00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:05,359 Speaker 1: Um that was like a dinner party with a bunch 991 00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:10,080 Speaker 1: of drinking from well I I had not that I saw, 992 00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,760 Speaker 1: but I wouldn't put it past them. But like, um, 993 00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:16,000 Speaker 1: I had a friend call up this girl that I 994 00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:19,200 Speaker 1: liked named Robin Herman, and so my friend like without 995 00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:22,000 Speaker 1: her knowing that I was on the line was doing 996 00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:25,320 Speaker 1: some some you know, groundwork on like this this Mark Sessler. 997 00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:27,319 Speaker 1: Do you think that maybe he's someone you would like 998 00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:33,480 Speaker 1: to like? In the middle of the this call in 999 00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:36,160 Speaker 1: the kitchen, one of the ladies that had come over 1000 00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,080 Speaker 1: picked up to you know, to call home to find 1001 00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:39,799 Speaker 1: on what's going on with the citner something like that, 1002 00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,279 Speaker 1: and all I could hear is, Hey, Barb Sessler, Barb Sessler, 1003 00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,320 Speaker 1: what's going on here? Is it seems like someone's on 1004 00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:49,880 Speaker 1: the phone. I'm like, WHOA? So I basically like did I? 1005 00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:52,360 Speaker 1: Everyone hung up, as I think, as quick as possible, 1006 00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,520 Speaker 1: But it was a totally unmasked and but I did 1007 00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:56,200 Speaker 1: end up going on a few I went to a 1008 00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:57,680 Speaker 1: dance with her, so it worked out on the end. 1009 00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:00,480 Speaker 1: And you have two kids together, So that's where my 1010 00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,120 Speaker 1: daughter came from. No, it's not so much people were curious. 1011 00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:05,600 Speaker 1: This is actually for my submission from the mailbag. A 1012 00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:08,279 Speaker 1: lot of people reaching out and saying, um, it was 1013 00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,439 Speaker 1: mentioned that Mark had a twenty four year old daughter 1014 00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,480 Speaker 1: on our last episode. Uh, and that was kind of 1015 00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,759 Speaker 1: glossed over. Do you want to get into any specifics there? 1016 00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:19,319 Speaker 1: I don't think that's wise. I think we've said, we've 1017 00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:22,959 Speaker 1: said enough. Like Cavon Thibodeau, sometimes you just gotta say, 1018 00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:30,480 Speaker 1: next question, smart. Thank you to Cavon Thibodeaux, who we'll 1019 00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:32,839 Speaker 1: be back on the field and ready for training camp. 1020 00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,640 Speaker 1: You heard it here first, Please site us properly in 1021 00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,759 Speaker 1: the news. We'll be back on Thursday, maybe um with 1022 00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,120 Speaker 1: another episode UM and maybe a guest. I don't know. 1023 00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:46,319 Speaker 1: We'll see Greg Is in Japan safe journey while he's there, 1024 00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,680 Speaker 1: so you uh, next week, buddy, But we got one 1025 00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:53,200 Speaker 1: more show to do, but one at least need that call. 1026 00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:05,920 Speaker 1: Welcome to this guy gets it with Mark Sessler. Today's 1027 00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:12,080 Speaker 1: episode the National Football League's Great Debate Artificial Turf or 1028 00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:22,440 Speaker 1: Natural Grass, featuring special guest Cavan Thibodeaux and now your host, 1029 00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:29,960 Speaker 1: My Cessler. Thank you for joining us this week. You know, 1030 00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:33,320 Speaker 1: for decades pro football has been dogged by one burning 1031 00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,920 Speaker 1: question that refuses to go away. To nobody's surprise, it 1032 00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,920 Speaker 1: is a question of plane surface. Sixteen NFL teams operate 1033 00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:45,520 Speaker 1: on real grass, the other sixteen wage battle on artificial turf. This, 1034 00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:47,960 Speaker 1: of course, raises an ethical question. Is it proper to 1035 00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:51,359 Speaker 1: ask players to perform on artificial surfaces when they could 1036 00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:55,000 Speaker 1: perform their duties on Bermuda grass, Kentucky blue grass, or 1037 00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:58,399 Speaker 1: even swaths of Desso Grassmaster Cavon, where do you come 1038 00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,600 Speaker 1: down on this pivotal issue we must confront. I'm a 1039 00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:03,560 Speaker 1: grass guy. I think I'll always be a grass guy. 1040 00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:05,920 Speaker 1: We are from nature, we come you know, we are 1041 00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:09,200 Speaker 1: natural beings, So I think performing everything on grass was 1042 00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:12,640 Speaker 1: just the smartest, safest way to go. Join us next 1043 00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:15,799 Speaker 1: week when we dive deep into the topic of referee outerwear. 1044 00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,480 Speaker 1: Is it time for us to rethink how these hard 1045 00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,040 Speaker 1: working officials are dressed in two