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Speaker 1: for you know, Judges shouldn't make it up. Judges should

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Speaker 1: That is a mean that he likes as party better

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Speaker 1: I think it's interesting to see every time a Supreme

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Speaker 1: Court justice comes a justice comes out with a book,

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Speaker 1: whether it's Sonya Soto, mayor or or a justice. Neil

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Speaker 1: Gore said to me, you gotta read it. It's a

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Speaker 1: fascinating window into these individuals lives and they're everything. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they're they're critiquing and judging every which way, and they've

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Speaker 1: David Federer, great interview, Thanks for coming on. Co author

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Speaker 1: of a Republic. If you can keep it with Justice

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Speaker 1: Neil Gorsch, He's at Jones Day and associate at Jones

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Speaker 1: Day coming up. What's on the panel's radar. I'm Kevin Sirelli.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg's sound on with

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Speaker 1: I'm thrilled. Sorry for the loss, but I'm not really.

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio, a Philly fan til I die and I

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Speaker 1: got a gloat. I just I gotta gloat. Brian Darlings here,

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Speaker 1: former senior communications director for Kentucky Senator Ram Paul, founder

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Speaker 1: communications director, Brian, who did you? How did you do yesterday?

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Speaker 1: Patriots did great? God, I like knew you were Saturday

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Speaker 1: to Antonio, b Yeah, classy, classy operation. Bill Belichick's running

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Speaker 1: up there. Um, alright, this is time switching gears. We're

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Speaker 1: not a sports show, Kevin, stay focused, We're not an

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Speaker 1: eagle show. Actually, um, what's on your radar? So this

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Speaker 1: go through what are what is on everybody's radar? Brian Darling,

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Speaker 1: what's on your radar? One of the things that's on

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Speaker 1: my right radars. Earlier this year, UM, the House passed

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Speaker 1: a measure that restricts a Justice Department from prosecuting states

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Speaker 1: question is will Congress do anything more? Will they pass

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Speaker 1: a safe fact which allows safe banking? Uh in states

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Speaker 1: it allows banking and states that have allowed and made

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Speaker 1: it okay to grow and sell cannabis. And that's something

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Speaker 1: to take any action in that space. It passed the House.

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Speaker 1: Safe banking hasn't passed the House yet. It's it was

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Speaker 1: now very yeah, I mean I'm surprised. I mean, they

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Speaker 1: We're watching that, UM and we know that there is

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Speaker 1: bi partisan support. We've talked about it on this show

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Speaker 1: multiple times. Lewis, I'll tell you what's on my weather radar,

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Speaker 1: which is that Commerce Secretary. Well, we're as apparently threatened

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Speaker 1: up to Donald Trump to say no, no no, no, wait

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Speaker 1: a second, there's no threat to Alabama. And it looks

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Speaker 1: Sharpie gate scandal, which I've stayed away from. We were

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Speaker 1: so close to not talking about Sharpe. I told Christine

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Speaker 1: only show that has not talked about Sharpi Gate. Lewis

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Speaker 1: Miranda Cars sketches it all over all. Listen. I think

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Speaker 1: information from Noah. If you can't trust Noah anymore, that's

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Speaker 1: a problem. I trust no I can't care about sharp.

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Speaker 1: All right, what's on my radar? President Trump? Did you

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Speaker 1: hear about this? That Camp David? He tweets out on

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Speaker 1: Saturday night that he's he was going to have a

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Speaker 1: He was gonna meet with Taliban leaders and the president

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Speaker 1: I think that's something down the road that you know,

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Speaker 1: Peal is entirely wrong when he says that, but uh,

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Speaker 1: it's just another example of Trump doing things wrong and badly.

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Speaker 1: It is. It is going to be interesting to see.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is a president unfortunately we have to

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Speaker 1: leave it there, a president who has met with Kim

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Speaker 1: Jong un, for example. Uh, but this this was an

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Speaker 1: interesting one. We're gonna talk more about it, I'm sure

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Speaker 1: later throughout the week. My many thanks to Lewis, Miranda

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Speaker 1: and Brian Darling for coming on. You can download the

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Speaker 1: half of the week for the third Democratic presidential debate.

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