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Speaker 2: I'm great, Tye, and I have a proposal.
Speaker 1: Yes please.
Speaker 2: I would argue that podcasting is one of the more
Speaker 2: intimate personal forms of media.
Speaker 1: We are literally in people's ears right now.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's true. What if we just for today, because
Speaker 2: we're jumping all over the country, we're hitting a lot
Speaker 2: of things that are going to hit a lot of
Speaker 2: people's interests, whether we're talking about you know, we're doing
Speaker 2: this back half of the nineteen most pivotal names of
Speaker 2: the twenty eighteen college football I guess preseason correct. What
Speaker 2: if we went real personal and intimate with it and
Speaker 2: did like a whole ASMR episode? H do you know
Speaker 2: what ASMR is? Now? I don't ASMR. Have you ever
Speaker 2: seen the YouTube videos where it's like people just like
Speaker 2: whispering into the mic, like it's a very uncomfortable audio experience,
Speaker 2: where like it's it's supposed to make like the hairs
Speaker 2: on your arm stand.
Speaker 1: Up autonomous sensory meridian response.
Speaker 2: So it's like people like pursing their lips together, like
Speaker 2: it's a lot of.
Speaker 1: Like like real like and this is the thing now
Speaker 1: you're telling me, this is a real thing.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, if you're wearing good headphones and I
Speaker 2: promise you were going to get into the rest of
Speaker 2: the top nineteen pivotal names, go on YouTube and look
Speaker 2: up ASMR. It's something response I want to say. It's
Speaker 2: sensory that would make sense to me.
Speaker 1: It's an experience characterized by a static like or tingling
Speaker 1: sensation on the skin now typically begins on the scalp
Speaker 1: and moves down the back of the neck and upper spine.
Speaker 2: It's it's a it's a trep man. It is weird.
Speaker 2: But like if you go on and you put on
Speaker 2: good headphones, you look ASMR on YouTube. It's like the
Speaker 2: sound of scissors, it's the sound of paper, it's the
Speaker 2: sound of just like people making weird sounds themselves, and
Speaker 2: it's real. Like it's supposed to bridge the line, not
Speaker 2: unlike what we're trying to do on this show, right
Speaker 2: right right, I see it between sort of creepy and erotic.
Speaker 1: Okay, there has to be a college football tie in
Speaker 1: here that we can leverage, because this really could be
Speaker 1: a thing.
Speaker 2: Now, I would say, if there's anything on a college
Speaker 2: football field that makes the hairs on your arms stand
Speaker 2: up and sends tingles from your scalp down your spine.
Speaker 1: Are we talking about Adam Amin? Here? Is that where
Speaker 1: we're going?
Speaker 2: We're talking about our friend Adam Imean WHOA, Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: true and just his general presence. So I guess we
Speaker 2: can't do that. I guess because you are not familiar,
Speaker 2: we're not going to do an ASMR show. But we
Speaker 2: do have a lot of names to discuss and a
Speaker 2: lot of updates about merchandising and live shows. Yeah, man,
Speaker 2: all sorts of fun. We have a bunch of shows
Speaker 2: that we're going to be doing the rest of the summer.
Speaker 2: We've got preseason shows, We've got plans TI, we got.
Speaker 1: Big Old, we got a lot going down. So I'm
Speaker 1: going to have this ASMR definition up on the screen
Speaker 1: for the full duration of the episode today. I promise
Speaker 1: my contribution and I'll see what I can work in. Dan,
Speaker 1: I'm going to see what I can do.
Speaker 2: Did that do anything?
Speaker 1: A noble first attempt by you? Thank you.
Speaker 2: The first and last college Football ASMR show.
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Speaker 1: So here's what we started doing a week ago. Dan,
Speaker 1: What we started doing a week ago is really taking
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Speaker 1: happen in the twenty eighteen college football season. What are
Speaker 1: some of the storylines going to be that captivate audiences?
Speaker 1: And then kind of as a byproduct of that, who
Speaker 1: are going to be the key names, the key faces
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Speaker 1: mortem of the season and examine all of those storylines
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Speaker 1: Derek Dooley new Missouri offensive coordinator, Ricky Ronnie new Penn
Speaker 1: State offensive coordinator. These are guys with a very important
Speaker 1: role to play and a lot hinges on the job
Speaker 1: that they do here in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2: This is all correct.
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Speaker 1: We're going to jump back in here to again the
Speaker 1: topic we kicked off a week ago, the nineteen most
Speaker 1: pivotal people in the twenty eighteen college football season. As
Speaker 1: we alluded at the end of the last episode, the
Speaker 1: subtitle for this episode is Protecting Patterson. Yes, protecting Patterson.
Speaker 1: So now as you know, Shae Patterson has garnered I
Speaker 1: think a disproportionate amount of the news here in the
Speaker 1: college football offseason. Shape Patterson transferring from ole Miss to
Speaker 1: Michigan one an NCAA ruleing that makes him eligible, immediately
Speaker 1: claims he was misled by Old Miss about how severe
Speaker 1: those sanctions were going to be down there at Oxford.
Speaker 1: By virtue of that, he gets to play right away
Speaker 1: now for Jim Harbaugh. Correct, pretty big deal for Michigan
Speaker 1: they've been wanting, needing that quarterback, hopefully to take their
Speaker 1: offense to the next level. So it goes without saying
Speaker 1: that Shape Patterson is clearly an influential member of the
Speaker 1: Michigan Wolverines, an influential member of this whole wild college
Speaker 1: football experience that we're going to have in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2: I think that's right.
Speaker 1: I would posit a new theory though, that while Shape
Speaker 1: Patterson is clearly very pivotal in his own right, the
Speaker 1: Michigan offensive line maybe the most pivotal position group of
Speaker 1: that Michigan Wolverine squad in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2: Dip me into that knowledge bucket.
Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about Michigan's offensive line, Dan. Okay,
Speaker 1: they gave up the second most sacks in the Big
Speaker 1: Ten all last season. Hm, They've got to replace Mason Cole,
Speaker 1: who was their best pass blocker from a year ago.
Speaker 1: They also need to protect Shape Patterson. So I think
Speaker 1: you can make a really good case that Shape Patterson
Speaker 1: isn't much without an improved offensive line at Michigan, And
Speaker 1: clearly it does start in the trenches up there in
Speaker 1: Anne Arbord. Despite all the attention that Shape Patterson is
Speaker 1: getting I think protecting Patterson is really going to be
Speaker 1: what it really comes down to for that Michigan offense
Speaker 1: this season. So I am putting my pivotal chip on
Speaker 1: the Michigan offensive line and not as much on shape Patterson.
Speaker 1: What do you think of that?
Speaker 2: I think that's reasonable. They've recruited fairly well along the
Speaker 2: offensive line, as you would expect to give. And you
Speaker 2: know Jim Harbaugh's history at Stanford in the NFL with
Speaker 2: his teams developing a lot of top offensive line talent,
Speaker 2: but perhaps the execution and the performance isn't where it
Speaker 2: should be given the talent level. The good news is
Speaker 2: that between Notre Dame and Wisconsin, so that would be
Speaker 2: September one and October thirteenth, there's not a terrible amount
Speaker 2: of really top flight defensive line play. Western Michigan, SMU, Nebraska,
Speaker 2: Northwestern Maryland. Wisconsin's gonna be tough, but they replace a lot.
Speaker 2: Michigan State's going to be tough with what they returned
Speaker 2: Penn State, with how they've recruited, I anticipate, especially by
Speaker 2: early November, their defensive front should be very good and
Speaker 2: then they have a Rutgers Indiana break before Ohio State,
Speaker 2: So Michigan pretty much has to have at least an
Speaker 2: above average offensive line this year. I am curious about
Speaker 2: how that works in concert with Pep Hamilton and how
Speaker 2: he has even more control it seems. I know, Michigan
Speaker 2: brings in a new offensive line coach who's pretty well
Speaker 2: regarded at Warner. He's been around the Big ten, and
Speaker 2: I think everybody thinks he's a good offensive line coach,
Speaker 2: not a great coordinator. But I think that new blood
Speaker 2: should help to improve things. But when I say, in concert,
Speaker 2: what is the actual offense going to look like? Because schematically,
Speaker 2: Michigan since Jake Rudock, which is so strange to say ty,
Speaker 2: has not been super fun or consistent. A couple of
Speaker 2: years ago, they ran on some bad teams and put
Speaker 2: up some big numbers, but against decent teams, this Michigan
Speaker 2: offense tends to take a couple of big steps back.
Speaker 2: So I think you're right if this offensive line at
Speaker 2: least looks above average, that is a stride and a
Speaker 2: half forward in the right direction. And given what they
Speaker 2: have on the road, which is Michigan State, Ohio State,
Speaker 2: Notre Dame, not to mention Northwestern, who should be pretty decent.
Speaker 2: This Michigan team, especially upfront on offense, needs to come
Speaker 2: together rather quickly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the other point here that is absolutely related
Speaker 1: is one that we brought up a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1: Do we know if Shape Patterson is all that great?
Speaker 1: Everyone talks about him as potentially the missing link for
Speaker 1: Jim Harbaught. You know, he clearly has a ton of talent.
Speaker 1: He was a five star recruit, you know, got hurt, and.
Speaker 2: He's coming off a pretty bad injury. But should, if
Speaker 2: he's fully healed, be able to buy himself time even
Speaker 2: if the offensive line isn't up to par. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I think Shape Patterson has a ceiling of good, just
Speaker 2: not perhaps excellent like we thought when he was coming
Speaker 2: into Oxford. So Michigan can win a bunch of games
Speaker 2: with an average offense, but for that offense to be averaged,
Speaker 2: the offensive line needs to be above average, just because
Speaker 2: upfront on defense they are so scary and dangerous. So
Speaker 2: Michigan can win a bunch of seventeen to ten games,
Speaker 2: but you know, against good teams, they still need to
Speaker 2: get to seventeen, which has not always been the case.
Speaker 1: All right, where are we going next? We got a
Speaker 1: bunch of these to get through.
Speaker 2: Let's go too. I'm gonna go out west. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go to J. T. Daniels. Okay, that's my pick. There
Speaker 2: it is, that's number ten.
Speaker 1: Is he going to be the quarterback for USC? So?
Speaker 2: I think that's part of why he is so pivotal.
Speaker 2: I think he will be. He is at he is
Speaker 2: on campus now, summer workouts have begun. He's working out
Speaker 2: with the team. Obviously, if you don't know who, JT.
Speaker 2: Daniels is a well regarded twenty nineteen quarterback who reclassified
Speaker 2: to twenty eighteen, but is the like the clear class
Speaker 2: of what would have been this year's class with him.
Speaker 2: So he shows up to LA, shows up to USC early.
Speaker 2: Is from Orange County. You know USC. Now without Sam Donald,
Speaker 2: they're starting from scratch at quarterback. The coaching staff is
Speaker 2: largely intact. They add Tim Drevno from Michigan so potentially
Speaker 2: help with the offensive line where his background is. But
Speaker 2: if JT. Daniels doesn't start it, maybe it's a situation
Speaker 2: like it was when Sam Donald came in. Like they
Speaker 2: start Max Brown, but with a very short leach and
Speaker 2: leech leech and JT. Daniels comes in USC has I
Speaker 2: think at this point some pretty lofty national expectations coming
Speaker 2: off of winning the conference and not fully showing up
Speaker 2: against their two high profile national opponents these past couple
Speaker 2: of years in Ohio State and Alabama. So there's a
Speaker 2: lot of weight on who's ever on, whoever shoulders whoever
Speaker 2: shoulders the load. Yes, for USC, and it seems almost
Speaker 2: implausible that J. T. Daniels would not be starting given
Speaker 2: his talent level by mid season. But I just don't know,
Speaker 2: as a true freshman, and as a young true freshman,
Speaker 2: what that means for USC's ceiling. Where do you stand
Speaker 2: on I mean, this is not even close to the
Speaker 2: first time somebody is reclassified. It's not the first time
Speaker 2: somebody is reclassified to us C. John David Boody did
Speaker 2: the same thing, sure, so I believe he sat quite
Speaker 2: a bit of time, more than JT. Daniels might if
Speaker 2: he starts the season. So Te Martin is now in
Speaker 2: coaching head coaching conversations. Running the offense. I know Tyson Helton,
Speaker 2: Clay Helton's brother, was running the passing game. He moves
Speaker 2: along to Tennessee, so a little bit of new faith
Speaker 2: factor for USC and the schedule, especially against the defenses
Speaker 2: early on. If JT. Daniels is thrown to the fire,
Speaker 2: We're going to learn a lot quickly.
Speaker 1: It's tough in the early going when you have quality
Speaker 1: competition and an uncertain quarterback situation. And I don't care
Speaker 1: if it's JT. Daniels or Joe freaking Neemuth, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: I think this is going to be a move whoever
Speaker 1: ends up getting that job that materializes late in the year,
Speaker 1: right around the time USC host Notre Dame last week
Speaker 1: of the season.
Speaker 2: I'm going to make a call right now. If JT.
Speaker 2: Daniels does not start the season, it's to me, like
Speaker 2: I said before, almost implausible. They have a bye week
Speaker 2: after they go to Tucson on September twenty ninth, before
Speaker 2: they host Colorado on October thirteenth. If they lose that
Speaker 2: Arizona game some sort of crazy Khalil Tait shootout, which
Speaker 2: is not unheard of, that's, you know, going to Tucson
Speaker 2: has always been tough. I think that he will start
Speaker 2: against Colorado.
Speaker 1: Let's move on, Dan, Who's next. I want to go
Speaker 1: back to the coaching front here.
Speaker 2: Dan Number eleven.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you mentioned that one of USC's early opponents is
Speaker 1: Texas the Longhorns.
Speaker 2: Right, mm hmm.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about an old friend of the podcast.
Speaker 1: Dan Let's an old friend of the podcast. He's actually
Speaker 1: been sin Shipley. No, he's actually been on this podcast before.
Speaker 1: He is the internet's favorite offensive line coach. He's a
Speaker 1: gentleman by the name of herb hand Yep, you know
Speaker 1: Coach Hand.
Speaker 2: Of course, love coach hand.
Speaker 1: Texas gained about one hundred and forty yards per game
Speaker 1: on the ground last season. That is not particularly an
Speaker 1: eye popping number, is it.
Speaker 2: No, not, especially given where Texas is in the recent
Speaker 2: history of Texas running back success as of like two
Speaker 2: years ago. They should never be short of running.
Speaker 1: They should never be short of much of anything. In
Speaker 1: the great State of Texas, it's a recruiting hotbed. But
Speaker 1: alas the offensive line for the Longhorns recently has underperformed,
Speaker 1: Texas finds itself in the twenty eighteen season in a
Speaker 1: rather unique spot. And I'm parroting this somewhat from our
Speaker 1: friend Bill Connolly, who wrote a great Texas preview. Nine
Speaker 1: alignemen for the Longhorns started at least one game last season,
Speaker 1: but surprisingly none of them started all thirteen, which means
Speaker 1: to go pretty damn deep in terms of offensive line talent.
Speaker 1: Five of those nine are back. They also bring over
Speaker 1: Calvin Anderson, who's a transfer from Rice. He was an
Speaker 1: honorable mention All Conference USA.
Speaker 2: Mister Rubik's cube.
Speaker 1: That's right. They've got six guys along that line with
Speaker 1: a combined one hundred and two career starts. If ever
Speaker 1: there were a time for an offensive line coach to
Speaker 1: mold that experience into and better effort this season, I
Speaker 1: think it would be right here and right now for
Speaker 1: coach Herbhan. Her coach herb Hand has done wonders elsewhere
Speaker 1: at previous stops.
Speaker 2: Did a great job at Auburn last year, did a.
Speaker 1: Great job at Auburn last year. Didn't have a ton
Speaker 1: to work with at Penn State.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think if Texas is going to improve demonstrably, it
Speaker 1: starts again along that offensive line. A common theme for
Speaker 1: me here Michigan was my first item. Now we're going
Speaker 1: back to the offensive line as we go farther south
Speaker 1: and into Big twelve territory with herb Hand, Texas offensive
Speaker 1: line coach. If there is a gain a notable gain.
Speaker 1: I think it's there. And oh, by the way, not
Speaker 1: to turn this into a larger discussion, but I think
Speaker 1: the Big twelve as a whole is up for grabs.
Speaker 2: You hear that's Skyler Thompson.
Speaker 1: That's right. As we look at Texas now, as we
Speaker 1: look at what they have returning, not just along the line,
Speaker 1: but elsewhere, if they can get a solid performance up front.
Speaker 1: They got Sam Ellinger coming back, They've got plenty of
Speaker 1: talent elsewhere. Maybe need to define themselves a little bit
Speaker 1: more at the skill positions, but I feel pretty confident
Speaker 1: that they can get the job done if coach hand
Speaker 1: can get the act together there in the trenches.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of questions about this offense this year.
Speaker 2: I mean, we don't know who's starting at quarterback. There's
Speaker 2: talent at receiver, but pretty inconsistently consistent. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: it seemed like after that USC game Colin Johnson was
Speaker 2: you know, slated to break out and didn't.
Speaker 1: Really.
Speaker 2: I think little Jordan Humphrey is one of the more exciting,
Speaker 2: versatile receivers and we'll see what they do with him.
Speaker 2: The offensive line should be okay if they stay healthy inside.
Speaker 2: You know, there might be some question about depth, and
Speaker 2: I'm more than anything, I think the offensive line will
Speaker 2: eventually be fine. More than anything, like who is still
Speaker 2: who's the dude in the backfield? Who is you know?
Speaker 2: I don't see a workhorse. I don't see a game changer.
Speaker 2: I know they got the transfer from cal Trey Watson,
Speaker 2: I believe, But there isn't that clear guy. And there
Speaker 2: seems to be at most major programs, even with questions
Speaker 2: that offensive skill, especially running back, largely is established and
Speaker 2: what we're going to get into another school where it's
Speaker 2: also surprisingly not established. But I'm more curious about who's
Speaker 2: actually running behind that line by the end of the
Speaker 2: year consistently, who's toting the rock eighteen nineteen times? Because
Speaker 2: really don't hope it's Sam Ellinger. Really don't hope that's
Speaker 2: the guy running twenty times. That worries me about that.
Speaker 2: What do we call it beck Meyer syndrome? Yeah, yes, right,
Speaker 2: so I am. I am most excited to see if
Speaker 2: anybody can step up in the backfield toting the rock.
Speaker 1: All right, where are we going next? Stan, I'll follow
Speaker 1: your lead and go with a coach.
Speaker 2: Let's go to the other side of the ball and
Speaker 2: We talked about him a few weeks ago as one
Speaker 2: of I think one of the more secretly fun moves.
Speaker 2: That's Nate Woodie to Georgia Tech. Nate Woody long time,
Speaker 2: he's been there for a few years, app state defensive
Speaker 2: coordinator has sort of well traveled, but Georgia Tech, most
Speaker 2: recently under I want to say it was Ted Roof
Speaker 2: struggled on defense, and.
Speaker 1: You can say that to be to put it lightly, Yes,
Speaker 1: that would be correct.
Speaker 2: They've struggled, and I understand that there are certain challenges
Speaker 2: both in terms of who George Tech and recruit because
Speaker 2: of academics. Though other schools that have similar challenges Stanford
Speaker 2: Northwestern have put together see Notre Dame has put together
Speaker 2: good defensive line classes, good fronts. I think Notre Dame
Speaker 2: is probably a little bit different. But there is no
Speaker 2: reason Georgia Tech at its very least can't be creative.
Speaker 2: They're not going to have this, They're not going to
Speaker 2: have the same five star, huge ridiculous talents along the
Speaker 2: defensive line. But Nate Woody is somebody over these last
Speaker 2: few years and especially last year, created havoc upfront. So
Speaker 2: that's tackles for a loss force fumbles, tipball stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Where they are they are causing troubles. Tye the troubles,
Speaker 2: and I think if Georgia Tech, as they switch, I
Speaker 2: think from a four to five to a three four,
Speaker 2: if they're able to populate that front with the at
Speaker 2: least approaching good size, I think if they can stir
Speaker 2: up confusion, if they can be creative under Nate Woody,
Speaker 2: this isn't a defense that's facing a lot of established quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: They have USF you know, Juwan Pass and Louisville early
Speaker 2: on Clemson. We don't know what's going to happen with
Speaker 2: quarterback there. If they're going to be starting somebody young.
Speaker 2: Virginia Tech I know Josh Jackson I believe is now
Speaker 2: going to be able to play. Miami quarterback is up
Speaker 2: in the air after how that finished last year. Georgia, well,
Speaker 2: Georgia will be good. Georgia will be good. But if
Speaker 2: Georgia Tech is able to create that havoc sort of
Speaker 2: winning with Guile, I think they can cause a lot
Speaker 2: of problems in a not sure thing division in the ACC.
Speaker 2: So Nate Woody, I think if he is able to
Speaker 2: install and teach quickly, and I don't think the talent
Speaker 2: is there yet, but by the end of the season
Speaker 2: perhaps I think Georgia Tech could be like a Necro brother,
Speaker 2: a Phil Neicro, Joe Nicro. This is what I want.
Speaker 2: I want. I want Nate Woody to be Alex Grinch Nekro.
Speaker 2: That's what I want. I want. I want an ephis
Speaker 2: every once in a while. Are there any more Necros?
Speaker 2: Is it just Joe and Phil?
Speaker 1: I believe it would just be Joe and Phil Necro. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm back in the day.
Speaker 2: Wow, I'm seeing some dope baseball cards right now in
Speaker 2: Google Images.
Speaker 1: There's a Lance Necro who's a Lance. Yeah, he's a son.
Speaker 2: Apparently does he play baseball.
Speaker 1: He's wearing a baseball hat in this photo, so maybe.
Speaker 2: Okay. I mean, we saw what Duke did last year
Speaker 2: with just blitzing the hell out of everybody. I want
Speaker 2: that for Georgia Tech. That's what I want. The Necro Yeah,
Speaker 2: who was it was? Jim Knowles was the defensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just Georgia Tech and defense do not exactly
Speaker 1: go together. It's usually like oil and water, and that's
Speaker 1: been the primary complaint that Georgia Tech fans have given
Speaker 1: to us over the years. We've had plenty of Georgia
Speaker 1: Tech fans right in, a lot of very passionate fans
Speaker 1: of the program, many of whom are quite simply at
Speaker 1: a point where they're wondering if Paul Johnson is going
Speaker 1: to work out. That's the way that Georgia Tech should
Speaker 1: continue going over the next couple of seasons. I think
Speaker 1: a lot of their problems start on defense. The offense
Speaker 1: in and of itself is unique enough. They've gotten enough talent.
Speaker 1: I think that they can be rather effective on that
Speaker 1: side of the football, but they've got to keep points
Speaker 1: off the board fair.
Speaker 2: I think Tech fans they want to watch some flexbone,
Speaker 2: They want to figure out if they like Paul Johnson still.
Speaker 2: They want to eat some heirloom barbecue. That's the place
Speaker 2: we went to. Yeah, airloom barbecue. I've been to. And
Speaker 2: there's a new place, Bee's Crackling. Okay, that's the new place, Ty,
Speaker 2: That's the new place in Atlanta, Bez Kracklin. Bee's Cracklin.
Speaker 2: So we want the d cracklin for Georgia Tech. That's
Speaker 2: that's what our point is here today.
Speaker 1: Dan, Let's go back to the Big twelve here, let's done.
Speaker 1: This one's a little bit like shooting fish in the barrel.
Speaker 1: So the way we describe this whole segment is that
Speaker 1: we were notably trying to veer away from some of
Speaker 1: the common names. It very easily could have been Shape
Speaker 1: Patterson and not the Michigan offensive line. You can make
Speaker 1: a case for Shape Pattins. Of course you can't write
Speaker 1: there are some though that, to be honest, you can't
Speaker 1: avoid them.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about a coach here. I'm going
Speaker 1: to talk about a coach momentarily I think fits that mold.
Speaker 1: But there is a player. We've talked a lot about
Speaker 1: him this offseason. Quite frankly, we would have talked a
Speaker 1: lot about him even if it weren't the slow offseason
Speaker 1: because Kyler Murray has been a huge part of the
Speaker 1: narrative all throughout the offseason. He's going to be part
Speaker 1: of the narrative moving forward. He's probably going to be
Speaker 1: a Fantasy Things selection when we do our live show
Speaker 1: in Chicago. Oh, it has to be not to tip
Speaker 1: the hand too much, but Kyler Murray is in a
Speaker 1: very unique situation. He comes over as a transfer from
Speaker 1: Texas A and m He was highly recruited, got a
Speaker 1: little bit of playing time before deciding to pick up
Speaker 1: his ball and move up north to Norman m HM.
Speaker 1: Sat out a year, got a little bit of playing
Speaker 1: time a year ago behind Baker Mayfield, and was the
Speaker 1: heir apparent to the throne there after Mayfield left, went
Speaker 1: off to the NFL, got drafted first overall. In the interim,
Speaker 1: what has happened is that Kyler Murray, the baseball player,
Speaker 1: was drafted ninth overall by the Oakland Athletics. Was signed
Speaker 1: for five million dollars with the Oakland Athletics on the
Speaker 1: condition that he gets to play one season of football.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: One and only season of football. I can't believe in
Speaker 1: their right mind that the Oakland Athletics are okay with
Speaker 1: this plan. But Kyler Murray must have a damn good
Speaker 1: agent that negotiated he gets to play one season of football,
Speaker 1: So it really is boom or bust for him. It
Speaker 1: seems to me that Kyler Murray has gotten every benefit
Speaker 1: of the doubt that he's just going to step into
Speaker 1: the Lincoln Riley offense. He's going to fit right in.
Speaker 1: He's going to play at a very high level. All
Speaker 1: that despite the fact that he's only had one hundred
Speaker 1: and forty two pass attempts in his entire college football career,
Speaker 1: there's no denying Dan that he is an incredibly talented
Speaker 1: attat If he got drafted in the top ten of
Speaker 1: the baseball draft, he's obviously a talented kid. It really
Speaker 1: does rise or fall with the plight of Kyler Murray
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen for the Oklahoma Sooners, does it not?
Speaker 2: Oh? It absolutely does, especially an offensive line overhaul. Defensively,
Speaker 2: they were sort of a mess last year, so I
Speaker 2: mean later on against teams that it mattered against, but
Speaker 2: they had nice moments on defense. But it's not like
Speaker 2: everything is in place around him so that even if
Speaker 2: he struggles, Oklahoma will still be pretty good. Everything's not
Speaker 2: super in place, except for they have right now the
Speaker 2: most innovative offensive head coach probably in college football, and
Speaker 2: Kyler Murray, certainly, as you mentioned, has that innate talents.
Speaker 2: I think we are rooting for Kyler Murray to be
Speaker 2: and I'm only going to speak for both of us,
Speaker 2: well speaker for both of us were rooting for him
Speaker 2: to be good because it's a year that's shaping up
Speaker 2: and it could be a special year, not necessarily for
Speaker 2: high level quarterback ten talent, but high level quarterback excitement.
Speaker 2: Even without Baker Mayfield. You have the situation in Tuscaloosa,
Speaker 2: you have a situation in Georgie. Of the situation, you know,
Speaker 2: Trace McSorley should be very good. We're hoping Dwayne Haskins
Speaker 2: is very good for similar reasons. At Ohio State, he
Speaker 2: has been announced as at least will go into the
Speaker 2: fall camp as starter. Jared Sidham should be very exciting.
Speaker 2: Khalil Tate is obviously mister excitement, so adding that to
Speaker 2: each conference. Whereas I don't know outside of Will gree
Speaker 2: or there's anybody in the Big twelve that defines excitement
Speaker 2: and fun at quarterback, at least in an established way.
Speaker 2: Whereas at least we have that inkling because of Kyler
Speaker 2: Murray as a recruit, because of what he has shown
Speaker 2: in his very brief time playing for Oklahoma. I believe
Speaker 2: he played half after Baker Mayfield, he started a half
Speaker 2: after Baker Mayfield was suspended. But there is that tantalizing love,
Speaker 2: that word possibility that Kyler Murray fulfills his potential in
Speaker 2: an exciting offense and that would be terrible news for
Speaker 2: the rest of the big time.
Speaker 1: That would be college football ASMR.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's exactly right type.
Speaker 1: I think that's where we're headed with this. I am
Speaker 1: rooting for him to succeed. I'm rooting for him more
Speaker 1: now than I think I was previously, if only because
Speaker 1: this really is a unique situation. I can't remember a
Speaker 1: situation like this where it was already a foregone conclusion
Speaker 1: that he was only going to play one season because
Speaker 1: of baseball.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there have been players who have played basketball and
Speaker 2: it was clear that that was their sport or you know,
Speaker 2: run track. I remember Devin Allen at Oregon. That was
Speaker 2: sort of clear at a certain point. But the whole
Speaker 2: being drafted and established and that road already being paved,
Speaker 2: that seems new.
Speaker 1: It seems like we're in unique territory for me. That
Speaker 1: I think makes me want to root for him a
Speaker 1: little bit more so.
Speaker 2: What about Samarja, Was he drafted before his last year,
Speaker 2: was that after and he just decided?
Speaker 1: Samarja just decided after the fact. He decided after the fact.
Speaker 1: There was very much an open question throughout his senior
Speaker 1: season if he was going to go and play baseball
Speaker 1: or football? Is he still a pitcher? Is still pitcher playing?
Speaker 1: Still making money? That's why you play baseball. That's why
Speaker 1: you play baseball. Make more money, especially as a pitcher.
Speaker 2: Yeah, great, cool, love it.
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. I think so much of the Big twelve
Speaker 1: season in front of us is going to hinge on
Speaker 1: how well he does or doesn't do. So need to
Speaker 1: throw him in the ring here? Where are we going next?
Speaker 2: Alexander Madison? Tie?
Speaker 1: Whoa mad dog?
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm not I go Madison Avenue? But whatever, Ty listen,
Speaker 2: we can do whatever we want. It's our show. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Alexander Madison. Aside from sounding like a bootleg, Hamilton is
Speaker 2: a really good running back for Poise State, a team
Speaker 2: set up given that they have a four year starting
Speaker 2: quarterback in Brett Rippon and return a ton on defense,
Speaker 2: at least outside of the clear best player in the
Speaker 2: conference in Leyton Vander esh who first round, second round?
Speaker 2: He was drafted pretty early on. Was he a first
Speaker 2: round pick?
Speaker 1: Tie? I believe so? Yes?
Speaker 2: Whatever, Yeah, it doesn't matter in the context of Alexander Madison,
Speaker 2: who has the potential, has the ceiling of running crazy
Speaker 2: for Boise State, a team a program that year after year,
Speaker 2: whether it's Jeremy McNichols, Doug Martin, j Jaye, whoever, they've
Speaker 2: just they've been a consistent place to develop running backs.
Speaker 2: And he was beat up at the end of last year.
Speaker 2: It was sort of an up and down November for him.
Speaker 2: But if Alexander Madison is healthy with a pretty experienced
Speaker 2: offensive line in front of him, they have a tricky
Speaker 2: ish early schedule they go to Troy into Oklahoma State,
Speaker 2: but with that time to prepare and he being the
Speaker 2: man I am, I'm anticipating big things for a key
Speaker 2: player for what is probably the most stable group of
Speaker 2: five New Year's six contender.
Speaker 1: I think, boys, he's going to be the best group
Speaker 1: of five team this year. I really do.
Speaker 2: It's a tough that Troy in Oklahoma State thing is tough,
Speaker 2: but yeah, they are built to weather a lot even
Speaker 2: against those two teams, even going to Oklahoma State because
Speaker 2: of the experience, especially on the back end of that
Speaker 2: defense receivers. Kind of a question for Boise, which I
Speaker 2: think even is a bigger reason to look at Alexander Madison,
Speaker 2: Madison Avenue.
Speaker 1: I'm going with that go a mad Dog this year.
Speaker 1: But whatever, I like.
Speaker 2: Him a lot, and I think that is going to
Speaker 2: be an underrated part of what should be a top
Speaker 2: fifteen ish team.
Speaker 1: You mentioned Brett Rippon.
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 1: Brett Rippon at this point feels like he's as old
Speaker 1: as Mark Rippin, Dan, He's been there. He's gonna be
Speaker 1: a four year starter.
Speaker 2: Do you remember Brett Rippin's first bowl game? You're probably
Speaker 2: gonna say no, but that's okay.
Speaker 1: No, definitely not.
Speaker 2: Brett Rippon was the quarterback the year Boise State beat
Speaker 2: Northern Illinois fifty five to seven in the Poinsettia Bowl. Okay,
Speaker 2: and I want to say Northern Illinois put up a
Speaker 2: total of like nineteen yards.
Speaker 1: Oh that game, that's right, I remember that.
Speaker 2: Oh that was so that was mathematically so fun. And
Speaker 2: I've granted a low point four for an IU. But
Speaker 2: that just the fact that we're going to be able to, hopefully,
Speaker 2: if you're a Boise State fan or whatever, bookend the
Speaker 2: Brett Rippon experience and it begins sort of with that
Speaker 2: just impossible dribbing makes me happy on the inside.
Speaker 1: Tye n IU had thirty eight passing yards and negative
Speaker 1: five rushing yards in that football game.
Speaker 2: Is that? Is that a thirty three yard game.
Speaker 1: Tye fifty one plays thirty three total yards. That doesn't
Speaker 1: feel for those doing the math at home, that is
Speaker 1: less than one yard per play.
Speaker 2: Oh that's so so so.
Speaker 1: That's an S and P plus ratings killer right there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say, so.
Speaker 1: Moving on, we have next. Should I just get my
Speaker 1: other give me out of the way, please, let's get
Speaker 1: it out of the way here. I already mentioned Kyler Murray. Again,
Speaker 1: We're not going for the obvious, but sometimes the obvious
Speaker 1: are just too obvious. You have to throw them in there.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go Scott Frost, another favorite here of the podcast.
Speaker 1: In the off season, Scott Frost comes over from UCF.
Speaker 1: He is coming home, so to speak, to Lincoln, Nebraska.
Speaker 1: He is taking over as the new head football coach
Speaker 1: for Big Red. He can potentially, potentially, now potentially create
Speaker 1: a huge, huge counterbalance in the Big Ten West, not
Speaker 1: only to Wisconsin, not just this year, but okay, moving forward,
Speaker 1: a huge counterbalance to Wisconsin. Not just to Wisconsin, but
Speaker 1: to the entire Big Ten East, which I think until
Speaker 1: now has largely been viewed as the dominant side of
Speaker 1: the Big Ten conference.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: If you can start to bring the whole conference into equilibrium,
Speaker 1: Dan or a greater state of equilibrium that makes the
Speaker 1: Big Ten as a whole, I think a much much
Speaker 1: more interesting conference.
Speaker 2: Agree.
Speaker 1: The reason that I throw Scott Frost in the ring
Speaker 1: is because I want to talk about the schedule before
Speaker 1: the Cornhuskers in this twenty eighteen season.
Speaker 2: But who sang the coming Home song? I've had it
Speaker 2: in my head since you said it about Scott Frost,
Speaker 2: I believe is there It is?
Speaker 1: Skyler Gray? Yeah, wow, good job, thank you. That's what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about here.
Speaker 2: Right when you least expect me playing that song when
Speaker 2: we bring up Scott Frost during the season all season long, Wham,
Speaker 2: there it is.
Speaker 1: I bring this up kind of in the same vein
Speaker 1: as some of our Chad Morris discussion earlier this year,
Speaker 1: where we don't necessarily think Arkansas is going to go
Speaker 1: on in a kind of title run in the SEC
Speaker 1: or nationally.
Speaker 2: But hold on writing this down, we're sort of expecting
Speaker 2: saw not on title bet on Arkansas.
Speaker 1: That's what that means. Yeah, But I think there is
Speaker 1: enough potential here for Nebraska to put the pieces together
Speaker 1: to knock off one of these presumed Titans in the
Speaker 1: Big Ten and affect the way we view the Big
Speaker 1: Ten come late November.
Speaker 2: Rank the upset ability yeah, of Nebraska versus Big Ten powers.
Speaker 1: So let me go through this Nebraska versus Michigan games
Speaker 1: at Michigan end of September.
Speaker 2: Your thoughts, well, I just Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio State, Michigan State.
Speaker 2: I'm just asking you to rank the most to least
Speaker 2: likely that situation where Nebraska upsets them. I think Michigan
Speaker 2: wins that game.
Speaker 1: I think Michigan wins that game. I think, as I
Speaker 1: look at this here very quickly at first blush, I
Speaker 1: think Nebraska over Michigan State the week before Thanksgiving games
Speaker 1: in Lincoln. I think that's probably the best chance of it.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: I'm very curious, though, very curious to see what happens
Speaker 1: in early November. A very tough spot going to the
Speaker 1: Horseshoe against Ohio State. However, that's like Nebraska's national show.
Speaker 2: Was after a bye week. That's true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, after bye week. That's like Nebraska's national championship. So
Speaker 1: I'm not saying so, I'm just saying I feel like
Speaker 1: there is gonna be a game in here when Nebraska
Speaker 1: pulls an upset because Scott Frost gets creative, he gets
Speaker 1: his troops assembled. And maybe it doesn't happen for him
Speaker 1: this year going ten to two, but eight and four,
Speaker 1: seven and five, even with like a just a big
Speaker 1: upset in there could be enough I think to make
Speaker 1: him pivotal not only in this season but in every
Speaker 1: season moving forward where he remains as the braske head
Speaker 1: football coach.
Speaker 2: So I would say most to least likely. I'd say
Speaker 2: most likely he upsets Michigan because again, Michigan won't be
Speaker 2: able to score thirty points. If Nebraska offense is at
Speaker 2: least rolling in it's a shootout. Least likely, I would
Speaker 2: say at Ohio State. Second, least likely Wisconsin, both of
Speaker 2: those on the road. Second, most likely Michigan State. So
Speaker 2: i'd the Michigan schools first, Michigan. Michigan State's on the road.
Speaker 2: It's going to be cold and gross, and East Lansing
Speaker 2: and oh no excuse me, and even in Lincoln it's
Speaker 2: going to be cold and gross in late November. So
Speaker 2: I'm going to say at Michigan, Michigan State, at Wisconsin,
Speaker 2: at Ohio State in that order.
Speaker 1: Do you agree with the selection as a whole, with
Speaker 1: Scott Frost's for twenty eighteen for twenty eighteen, not twenty
Speaker 1: nineteen twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2: No, not necessarily, Not because Scott Frost is too famous
Speaker 2: and too mainstream for my hipster college football tastes, but
Speaker 2: just because it's going to take a year, just because
Speaker 2: I like his coaching staff, I like some of the
Speaker 2: talent on hand. I'm a believer that he is going
Speaker 2: to get talent to Lincoln within the context of talent
Speaker 2: that would want to come to Lincoln. Okay, that isn't
Speaker 2: necessarily nearby, but that's going to Michigan in two Wisconsin
Speaker 2: and to Ohio State in his first year installing everything
Speaker 2: on both sides of the field. I think that's too
Speaker 2: much task for all.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, let me let me do one more here
Speaker 1: and then you can close it out with two of
Speaker 1: your own.
Speaker 2: Okay, go for it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna stay on the coaching side of
Speaker 1: the fence here, not gonna go head coach because I
Speaker 1: guess that's not hipster enough for you, Daniel.
Speaker 2: It's not. It never is.
Speaker 1: But let's go back to the big twelve. Let's go
Speaker 1: to the defensive side of the football. And let's talk
Speaker 1: a little bit about West Virginia. Okay, I meant it
Speaker 1: when I said it that the Big twelves a little
Speaker 1: bit up for grabs this year. It feels like there's
Speaker 1: a lot of turnover. Not quite sure where things could go, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean because of the new quarterback situation across
Speaker 2: the conference.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about Tony Gibson.
Speaker 2: Okay, West Virginia quarterback on that team.
Speaker 1: But yes, defensive coordinator, you're right, Will Greer comes back.
Speaker 1: If he stays healthy, he and David Sills can continue
Speaker 1: forging that bond doing amazing things in the passing game.
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about West Virginia's offense. I never really am.
Speaker 1: They've got seven starters back on offense, They're going to
Speaker 1: be fine. Where I'm particularly interested is on defense, where
Speaker 1: they also have seven more starters back. I think West
Speaker 1: Virginia could be a top ten team if again, the
Speaker 1: offense performs at the level I think we expect and
Speaker 1: we get something from that West Virginia defense. If we
Speaker 1: get something from that West Virginia defense, we saw it
Speaker 1: a couple years ago. But they're very disruptive on the
Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball created a lot of plays
Speaker 1: with their defensive backfield. I want to see what Tony
Speaker 1: Gibson can put together in twenty eighteen. I think if
Speaker 1: they can be disruptive on that side of the football,
Speaker 1: given all the turnover that we're going to see around
Speaker 1: the Big Twelve, particularly on offense, this defense at West
Speaker 1: Virginia could really be an X factor, could propel the
Speaker 1: Mountaineers to something I don't know, something we haven't seen
Speaker 1: from them in quite some time during the Dana Holgerson era.
Speaker 2: Man, I think West Virginia's defense is gonna be torched.
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm saying if if they can get anything
Speaker 1: together seven returning starters, if he can pull it together,
Speaker 1: would that or would that not be a truly pivotal
Speaker 1: story in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know where that number specifically comes from,
Speaker 2: and obviously there are starters who start a couple games
Speaker 2: where you can include that. But they lost a couple
Speaker 2: dudes that they were counting on for serious playing time
Speaker 2: along the defensive line to transfer. A couple of linebackers
Speaker 2: got hurt. They're replacing both corners and we expect big
Speaker 2: twelve offenses to at least be competent. And I am
Speaker 2: just I believe with my whole heart and soul and
Speaker 2: brain that West Virginia will beat a team that they
Speaker 2: probably shouldn't and they'll beat them forty five to forty
Speaker 2: one or something like that. They'll be really fun and
Speaker 2: we get a bunch of crazy gifts of will greor
Speaker 2: running around making faces and having a good time. I
Speaker 2: believe that. I just think they're going to lose two
Speaker 2: to five of those as well, because I don't think
Speaker 2: to compete in the Big twelve. To even just be
Speaker 2: competent in the Big twelve on defense, you just you
Speaker 2: have to have things going for you. And I don't
Speaker 2: see West Virginia's defense as a team. And this I
Speaker 2: think speaks to why this is a correct answer of
Speaker 2: choosing Tony Gibson as a pivotal name here. I just
Speaker 2: talent wise, attrition wise. I don't think West virginia Is
Speaker 2: defense has a ton going for it. So if they're
Speaker 2: able to muster something, sure, but I think it'd be
Speaker 2: a miracle. And this is not a take, This is
Speaker 2: not me trying to rile people up. I think it's
Speaker 2: a miracle. If West Virginia wins eight games, I think
Speaker 2: everything has to go perfectly. They just feel like a
Speaker 2: seven and five, six and six team to me, And
Speaker 2: that's not being kind but being at least having a
Speaker 2: little bit of optimism. All Right, I think they got burnt.
Speaker 1: Well, it wouldn't be anything new if they got burnt.
Speaker 1: That's true, quite frankly, that's what we're used to Dan.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, if he can spin any kind
Speaker 1: of gold, now.
Speaker 2: It's true, he's done it before.
Speaker 1: Out of whatever returning experience they have, I think it
Speaker 1: makes West Virginia potentially a top ten team given that
Speaker 1: offense and who knows. As we look in the Big twelve.
Speaker 2: They bring in Kenny Bigelow. Do you remember that name?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Sure, he was like a recruiting with two thousand and four,
Speaker 2: got hurt a bunch of times at USC.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think he grew up on the same team or
Speaker 2: same seven on seven team as David Sills, so it's
Speaker 2: been a journey for both of them. I don't know
Speaker 2: how you can be as old as Kenny Bigelow and
Speaker 2: still go by Kenny like he just has to be
Speaker 2: a Ken big.
Speaker 1: Well, you made the Danny to Dan switch at some
Speaker 1: point around college for any day of college. Kenny bigel
Speaker 1: apparently never.
Speaker 2: Did Kenneth Bigelow. Yeah all right, yeah, but you know what,
Speaker 2: if he's really good, that speaks to your hypothesis.
Speaker 1: Where are we going next? Now? I see you've got
Speaker 1: two players here, Yes, that you've listed. One, by the way,
Speaker 1: is not very hipster.
Speaker 2: I agree. I don't know which one you're talking about,
Speaker 2: because these.
Speaker 1: Are the second one here on this not very hipster.
Speaker 1: I thought IM like this one as well.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about Joe Burrow, who is not hipster, even
Speaker 2: though he is getting hype without actually doing anything, which
Speaker 2: feels like a very hipster thing.
Speaker 1: So now I have a question for you.
Speaker 2: All right, I have an answer, potentially.
Speaker 1: I think it goes without saying that that my nicknames
Speaker 1: that I have put forth here over the last couple
Speaker 1: of seasons have really been solid gold.
Speaker 2: I'm still not on board with Duke of Hazzard Alan Wizard,
Speaker 2: but okay.
Speaker 1: Duke of Hazzard Alan Wizard had major staying power.
Speaker 2: It's so many words.
Speaker 1: EQ causing treble. That was instant gold, Dan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people are all just lining the streets with that one.
Speaker 1: When you think of the word burrow, what do you
Speaker 1: think of.
Speaker 2: I don't like a groundhog or something right burrowing into
Speaker 2: the ground.
Speaker 1: So what if instead of Joe Burrow we just went
Speaker 1: Joe dirt in twenty eighteen, would that be a thing
Speaker 1: we could do?
Speaker 2: That's pretty good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Joe dirt.
Speaker 2: It's it's clean, it's quick, it's and that might be
Speaker 2: like LSU's national championship aspirations over cleanly, quickly. Joe Burrow
Speaker 2: aka Joe Dirt, I think is good. Thank But generally
Speaker 2: we give nicknames to people who have proven worthy of
Speaker 2: being nicknamed.
Speaker 1: Right, generally speaking, that is correct.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So Joe Burrow to catch everybody up if
Speaker 2: you have not, if you've been burying your head under
Speaker 2: the burrowing your head. Thank you, ty, thank you very much,
Speaker 2: Thank you. ASMR crackle crackle. Joe Burrow is a grad
Speaker 2: transfer from Ohio State who showed potential during the spring
Speaker 2: game for Ohio State. Everybody seems to like him. He
Speaker 2: graduated in three years, so he has a couple of
Speaker 2: years of eligibility for LSU. Was a grad transfer is
Speaker 2: on campus now, I believe, and immediately eligible because he's
Speaker 2: a grad transfer. Steps into a situation without a clear
Speaker 2: cut starting quarterback. They have a couple of decent recruits,
Speaker 2: and you know, Miles Brennan played in some games last
Speaker 2: year but didn't show enough to warrant not going after
Speaker 2: a grad transfer quarterback, and so Joe Burrow, talent, likable
Speaker 2: whatever from Ohio will be immediately thrown into the fire.
Speaker 2: They have Miami Week one. I want to say in Arlington.
Speaker 2: I'm about ninety three percent sure that's true. They go
Speaker 2: to Auburn, they go to Florida, and I believe the
Speaker 2: week after Florida they are playing Georgia, so they will
Speaker 2: he will see fast, aggressive, angry NFL Leiden defenses sooner
Speaker 2: rather than later. And this is all with a new
Speaker 2: coordinator and Steve Enzinger, I hope I pronounced that correctly,
Speaker 2: who took over a couple of years ago on an
Speaker 2: interim basis. And everybody's saying, Oh, they're gonna They're They're
Speaker 2: opening up the offense, They're gonna throw downfield a lot more.
Speaker 2: They add Jonathan Giles, the promising albeit not huge receiver
Speaker 2: from Texas Tech. The big surprise to me about Lsu
Speaker 2: is that he is not going to have a year
Speaker 2: over year, there's a new guy who's a new star
Speaker 2: running back like Texas should have, like LSU should have,
Speaker 2: But after Darius Guice, after Leonard Fournette, there just isn't
Speaker 2: that obvious dude to take over and take some of
Speaker 2: the weight off of Joe Burrow's shoulders. So to me,
Speaker 2: if Joe Burrow is good, and I know they've recruited
Speaker 2: a couple of decent receivers recently, Teris Marshall's the newest one.
Speaker 2: If he is good, that means his line, which does
Speaker 2: have some experience, That means the receivers and past catchers
Speaker 2: that he's throwing to, that means somebody's emerging at running back.
Speaker 2: Then LSU can win nine game. But there are so
Speaker 2: many variables and Joe Burrow not throwing a meaningful college
Speaker 2: pass and stepping into a pretty crazy situation schedule wise,
Speaker 2: is feels like a pivotal name for me. Ty Yeah, just.
Speaker 1: Does Joe Burrow Joe Dirt? Thank you? Yeah? I look,
Speaker 1: the quarterback position at LSU is up there with Florida,
Speaker 1: It's up there with other schools where the natural impulse
Speaker 1: is to say, well, they're just they're just a quarterback away.
Speaker 1: Whether or not they all right, whether or not that's
Speaker 1: true in reality, remains to be seen. But Joe Burrow
Speaker 1: is an interesting case just because he comes in with
Speaker 1: a lot of promise. He comes from Ohio State. You
Speaker 1: said it a couple of weeks ago. He's gotta be good,
Speaker 1: gotta be Joe Dirt. Come on, well, we'll wait and see.
Speaker 1: We'll wait and see. Can't any worse than what they've
Speaker 1: been trotten out there the last couple of years. LSU
Speaker 1: hasn't had a serviceable quarterback since.
Speaker 2: Like Zach Mettenberger, man, you your slander of Danny Etling
Speaker 2: is not going to go unanswered to. Danny Etling was
Speaker 2: pretty good last year.
Speaker 1: He's okay, pretty okay.
Speaker 2: He was pretty good anyway.
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, Joe Dirt, Joe Dirt. Who's our last pivotal
Speaker 1: name here?
Speaker 2: Final player? One of my favorite names, just because it's
Speaker 2: a fun name to say, but also because he is
Speaker 2: probably one of the three best pass rushers in the country.
Speaker 2: Cleveland Ferrell, Cleveland Ferrell, Cleveland, Cleveland, The Cleveland Show. Cleveland
Speaker 2: Ferrell defensive end for Clemson. Just a maniac, a monster
Speaker 2: in the backfields, A should be one of the first
Speaker 2: two or three pass rushers off the board in next
Speaker 2: year's draft. Has not been at Clemson terribly long, but
Speaker 2: he has a very specific luxury tie of having the
Speaker 2: best probably defensive tackle duo next to him in Christian
Speaker 2: Wilkins and Dexter Lawrence. So it feels right that he
Speaker 2: is going to be I mean, and alongside Austin Bryan
Speaker 2: on the other side of the defensive line is just
Speaker 2: going to be trouble ty. He is just going to
Speaker 2: be trouble And the reason I went with him over Lawrence,
Speaker 2: over Brian, over Wilkins, who are all excellent and could
Speaker 2: all go in the first round next year of the
Speaker 2: NFL Draft, is because of his ability, specifically to get
Speaker 2: to the quarterback with the quarterback questions that Clemson has
Speaker 2: of their own that he will keep, and he will
Speaker 2: probably do more to finish off plays even if the
Speaker 2: interior part of that line is collapsing the pocket and
Speaker 2: forcing sacks to him. I think he is going to
Speaker 2: do more to worry quarterbacks. I think he is going
Speaker 2: to do more to get offenses behind schedule, behind the chains,
Speaker 2: and that in turn should give Clemson's offense even if
Speaker 2: they're inconsistent with a true freshman. Even if Kelly Bryant
Speaker 2: is not what he probably probably should look like given
Speaker 2: what he looked like at times last year. It gives
Speaker 2: them more shots, it gives them more opportunities to get
Speaker 2: into a rhythm. And there's just something that scary about
Speaker 2: a pass rusher with Cleveland Ferrell's ability. So that's why
Speaker 2: I am and this is a defense chock fowl. Let
Speaker 2: me Kendall. Joseph is great. We mentioned the defensive line.
Speaker 2: There's guys everywhere, but his sacking ability, and we talked
Speaker 2: about gravity a little bit last year. Defensively, I think
Speaker 2: he may have the most gravity on that team. Just
Speaker 2: because you have plans. He doesn't care. And that's Cleveland Ferrell.
Speaker 1: Cleveland Ferrell, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Cleveland Ferrell.
Speaker 1: There you go, Cleveland Ferrell and Joe Dirt closing us
Speaker 1: out here on the nineteen most pivotal people for the
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen college football season. One notable name is Missy here. Dan,
Speaker 1: we're only up to eighteen.
Speaker 2: Oh, can I guess let's go with we already mentioned
Speaker 2: Adam A Memes. We're not gonna go with that. I'm
Speaker 2: stump ty. I don't know Steve Sarkisian. He's always good
Speaker 2: for a laugh.
Speaker 1: Listen, it's got to be the solid verbal.
Speaker 2: It's the solid verbal.
Speaker 1: It's got to be the solid verbal. We're the ones
Speaker 1: putting this show out.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 1: A prime number nineteen. Your name's for the twenty eighteen
Speaker 1: college football season. So if you exclude us from this list,
Speaker 1: which you never should, I'm going to read through the
Speaker 1: list very quickly. Today we did Michigan's offensive line, Kyler Murray,
Speaker 1: JT Daniels, Cleveland Ferrell, Alexander mad Dog Madison, Joe Burrow
Speaker 1: aka Joe Dirt, Scott Frost, Tony Gibson, herb hand and
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator for Georgia Tech, Nate Woodie. Those names, in
Speaker 1: addition to Clark Lee, Charles Chip, Kelly, Chico mcclatcher, DeAndre Swift,
Speaker 1: Malcolm Perry, Marcus Arroyo, which somebody made fun of me
Speaker 1: for the way I say.
Speaker 2: That, Arroyo. It's arroyo, ah royo. No, No, not a
Speaker 2: row roy Arroyo, Royo, arroyo. Thank you, Derek Dooley and
Speaker 2: Ricky Ronnie. To close out your nineteen most pivotal people
Speaker 2: for the twenty eighteen college football season. Yeah, so now
Speaker 2: you're just gonna waste away your night listening to and
Speaker 2: watching some ASMR.
Speaker 1: That's correct. Yeah, I need to I need well, I
Speaker 1: was gonna say I need to get on this, but
Speaker 1: I need to expect further to see what I'm missing here.
Speaker 1: See if this is a real thing.
Speaker 2: It's going to change your life and not necessarily for
Speaker 2: the good.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, on that note, don't forget to email
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Speaker 1: with Brian Farrence, which is a pivotal name for Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's pretty good Iowa football. Maybe not for a college
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Speaker 1: for a lot of people, certainly that weren't on our list.
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