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Speaker 2: Warning, the following episode contains explicit language and sexual themes.

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Speaker 3: Listener discretion is advised.

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Speaker 4: About four years ago, I received an unexpected offer to

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Speaker 4: interview the President of Belarus, Alexander Lukashenko. He wanted to

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Speaker 4: create quote mutually beneficial ties with the US, and someone

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Speaker 4: evidently thought that one way to do that was for

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Speaker 4: me to profile Lukashenko for Rolling Stone magazine.

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Speaker 5: Belarus quotes between Russia and the European Union has been

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Speaker 5: ruled for decades by autocratic President Alexander Lukashenko FTKL victory

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Speaker 5: in August elections the US said were fraudulent. Huge protests followed,

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Speaker 5: and he moved swiftly to crush them.

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Speaker 4: They reached out to me, and I told them that

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Speaker 4: if my editors approved the story, I'd be honest in

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Speaker 4: the interview and wouldn't be throwing him softball questions, and

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Speaker 4: they seemed open to that.

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Speaker 5: He and Russian President Vladimir Putin are two peas in

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Speaker 5: a pod. When it comes to shutting down to scent.

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Speaker 5: So Putin swiftly helped his skiing partner with one point

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Speaker 5: five billion dollars. Months of systematic repression and torture followed,

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Speaker 5: documented by human rights groups.

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Speaker 4: Then came the emails, ask me what kind of women

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Speaker 4: I liked, asking me to send photos of my type

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Speaker 4: of women, offering to range dates for me when I'm

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Speaker 4: in Belarus. Perhaps they can even throw a party from me,

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Speaker 4: start with beautiful women. I will be set in Belarus

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Speaker 4: for the trip and possibly my life, they said. As

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Speaker 4: a journalist, I knew what accepting favors, whether cash or

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Speaker 4: of your career. And that was my first possible experience

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Speaker 4: with what the Russians call compromat.

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Speaker 6: Compromat comes from the Russian for compromising material. It means

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Speaker 6: that the Russian Secret State have managed to film somebody

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Speaker 6: having sex with somebody they shouldn't be having sex with. Politicians, diplomats, spies, whoever.

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Speaker 6: A former British spy called Christopher Steele reported that the

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Speaker 6: Russian Secret State had filmed Donald Trump in a hotel

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Speaker 6: if it did happen, then that was a classic case.

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Speaker 7: Of compromat.

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Speaker 8: Sorry, I had to do that.

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Speaker 7: I got on my duty.

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Speaker 9: The away that was how my.

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Speaker 3: God, I got to.

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Speaker 10: You.

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Speaker 8: I had to joy.

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Speaker 10: It, says Sost.

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Speaker 4: Episode five, chapter eleven, Seduce and Destroy.

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Speaker 11: I wanted to let you know I was transcribing the

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Speaker 11: interview with the sex buy and I actually have firsthand

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Speaker 11: knowledge of this because in my past life I worked

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Speaker 11: on these black programs in aerospace. Each program had its

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Speaker 11: own security office.

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Speaker 4: Shockingly, at least to me, the voice you're hearing is

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Speaker 4: that of my audio transcriber. For ten years, she's listened

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Speaker 4: to my interviews and written down the secrets of the

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Speaker 4: famous and powerful, from Tom Cruise to Elon Musk. And

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Speaker 4: this is the first time she's called like this after

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Speaker 4: listening to my first recordings with Alia Rosa. She wants

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Speaker 4: to let me know that she has actually had her

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Speaker 4: own experiences with compromont and sexpionage.

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Speaker 11: We would actually have meetings where the upper management would

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Speaker 11: inform us about it, and the men who were usually

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Speaker 11: the target had to sign paperwork indicating yes, they had

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Speaker 11: been informed about these women, especially for Brussia.

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Speaker 4: I had no idea that prior to this, she'd worked

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Speaker 3: Wow, it was like part of standard operating procedure.

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Speaker 11: Absolutely every program I worked we talked about it. I

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Speaker 11: just remember them warning, mostly men about women who might

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Speaker 3: And what were the telltale signs of these people.

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Speaker 11: Oh, if the woman was extremely attractive, you know, definitely,

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Speaker 4: In fact, the government was so worried about compromant that

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Speaker 4: anyone with a secret sex life was considered a security risk.

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Speaker 11: There were people who openly key it on their wives

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Speaker 4: I asked my transcriber for her thoughts in Aliah's story.

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Speaker 4: Since she's listened to the recordings so closely, I.

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Speaker 11: Think it sounds accurate. Because it was exactly what we

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Speaker 11: were being warned about. She's incredibly attractive, she's charming, she's smart,

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Speaker 11: she's manipulative, she's loyal to her country.

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Speaker 3: But it all sounds like it worked.

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Speaker 4: I call a Leah after speaking with my transcriber, and

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Speaker 4: Aaliyah has just returned from a session with a new therapist.

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Speaker 3: How was your therapy session?

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Speaker 9: Honestly, not really good.

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Speaker 12: I mean, I don't know, it's like really difficult to

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Speaker 12: go through that again. It's like it's so so many feelings,

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Speaker 9: I feel really.

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Speaker 3: Guilty, guilty in what way and can very differ like.

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Speaker 9: In many like I felt like I have done so

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Speaker 12: Things in my life, like really bad things, Like I've

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Speaker 12: done so many things.

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Speaker 9: Which I never wanted to do.

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Speaker 12: The therapist she said that I had to survive, That's

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Speaker 12: why I did it. But it doesn't matter to me,

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Speaker 12: you know, It's it's just like I feel really guilty.

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Speaker 4: I asked her more about it. Eliah says she was

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Speaker 4: at a friend's birthday and was given a small dose

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Speaker 4: of mushrooms, something she doesn't ordinarily do. These triggered memories

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Speaker 4: that she keeps compartmentalized in her mind. She calls that

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Speaker 4: compartment Pandora's box.

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Speaker 8: I felt like I saw so many ghosts of those

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Speaker 8: I saw them and it was so scary. I felt

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Speaker 9: Even they faces.

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Speaker 12: It's not really pleasant, you know, view and it's kind

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Speaker 4: her experience. She feels that unburdening herself of her secrets

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Speaker 4: I tell her about the conversation with my transcriber, So

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Speaker 4: my transcriber called she and we discussed how large this

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Speaker 13: You know, Neil, I feel very very very big sorrow

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Speaker 12: I remember my classmates, the old king, so.

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Speaker 13: Young and fresh and beautiful, and then just in a

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Speaker 9: I saw sorrow and helpless and nothing else.

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Speaker 13: I wonder how many women have done this throughout the history,

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Speaker 4: So while Aliah takes some time off, I decided to

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Speaker 4: take some time to find answers to her questions about

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Speaker 4: the program. Since speaking to my transcriber, I've been wondering

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Speaker 4: similar things. Are there other countries also using sex as

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Speaker 4: a weapon of war? And just how big are these operations.

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Speaker 4: I spent the next couple of weeks doing research and

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Speaker 4: interviewing agents and journalists from around the world, and what

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Speaker 4: I find shocks me. First of all, it's not just

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Speaker 4: Russia that does this, it's China.

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Speaker 2: Chinese intelligence operation on US soil, targeting American politicians with

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Speaker 2: a female operator who had ties to a Democratic congressman

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Speaker 14: North Korea, according to Young, North Korea's honeytrap plan, established

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Speaker 14: by former leader Kim Jong il, was to set up

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Speaker 14: foreign dignitaries with females buys posing as translators or aids.

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Speaker 10: Pakistan, You're dear, befriended on email and WhatsApp group, etc.

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Speaker 15: And they get entrapped, and then they emotionally get in.

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Speaker 4: Trapped, even America, the United Kingdom and so many others

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Speaker 15: We will then Nostellius in a pub and Lisbon a

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Speaker 7: This tamply planned opper began.

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Speaker 4: In fact, even ancient military writings advised weaponizing this weakness

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Speaker 16: If we go back to two and a half thousand years,

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Speaker 16: one of the ancient military writers said that you should

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Speaker 16: trade a martial art warrior to identify an employed four

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Speaker 16: humored weeks. So they were fear, lost, anger, and greed.

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Speaker 16: The certain of these are all used in sexpionage.

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Speaker 4: This is David Lewis, a psychologist and author of the

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Speaker 4: book Sexpionage, The Exploitation of Sex by the Soviet Union.

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Speaker 4: I called doctor Lewis to find out the kind of

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Speaker 4: impact that this type of spycraft has had on political

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Speaker 16: It's always struck me as a psychologist very straight. So

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Speaker 16: you have people who are immensely powerful, usually highly educated,

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Speaker 16: very wealthy, yet they throw it all away for the

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Speaker 4: Yet it happens over and over again. And if you

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Speaker 4: think that more people would be smarter, think again. Here's

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Speaker 4: just one chilling example of a target who's literally in

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Speaker 4: for an attractive woman. Mordecai Venunu was working as a

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Speaker 4: technician in an Israeli nuclear facility when he began to

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Speaker 4: have moral misgivings. He gathered evidence, left the country and

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Speaker 4: told journalists for the first time about the extent of

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Speaker 4: with the Times of London unleaking the story, he met

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Speaker 4: someone special. Here he is describing it in his own words,

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Speaker 4: speaking to an interviewer from sixty minutes Australia.

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Speaker 17: I bought a cigarette that I saw an American woman

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Speaker 3: I look at her, she look at me.

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Speaker 4: You'll notice in this next part some similarities with the

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Speaker 4: lea's training, which is that the agent never approaches the target.

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Speaker 3: She gets the target to approach her.

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Speaker 6: You took the initiative to forgive the collequialism to pick

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Speaker 3: Yes, you did it.

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Speaker 17: If she had tried to pick me up, then I

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Speaker 17: would suspected her. But if I was too with the initiative,

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Speaker 17: I mean, I'm not suspecting it.

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Speaker 9: She was dragging you into her trap.

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Speaker 17: No, I was already in her trap.

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Speaker 4: After a few dates, she convinced Venunu to join her

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Speaker 4: for a weekend in Rome. Despite being a whistleblower who

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Speaker 4: nothing and flew to room with her. In the car

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Speaker 17: When I entered the house, the door opened and immediately

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Speaker 7: Posing as a Trotskyist or Ramon Mercando seduced Trotsky's secretary.

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Speaker 16: I don't think people really understand the extent to which

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Speaker 4: I have a specific question that I'm hoping he could answer.

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Speaker 4: How did expionage go from a dirty trick that governments

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Speaker 16: We can trace the start of what we might call

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Speaker 16: She was actually known as Kitty Smith. She started life.

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Speaker 4: Kitty Smith began running Berlin's most in demand brothel. Then

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Speaker 16: This was organized by a guy called Walton Schillenberg, who

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Speaker 16: They took it over the leaders to Hitler. They attended

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Speaker 16: Don't know of any other intelligence agency which had done

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Speaker 15: On the outskirts of Moscow stands the Giant Training Academy

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Speaker 15: These days the organization is called the FSB the Wild

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Speaker 3: Young women, much like Aaliyah enter classmates.

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Speaker 16: And they had traders in their kind of total the

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Speaker 4: Natural Chapter twelve, Tools of the Trade. As our time

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Speaker 3: Working here, turn it off in the corner.

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Speaker 4: Most of the people I reach aren't willing to talk

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Speaker 3: You ever heard of a program like that? With this question,

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Speaker 12: I will not be able to reply to respond to

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Speaker 4: Many of these sources were willing to speak to me

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Speaker 4: We're surprisingly willing to talk openly. And here's what I learned.

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Speaker 4: There are four levels of sexual espionage that are important

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Speaker 4: Level one is the most mild, but it's also the

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Speaker 4: most It is everywhere, and unknowingly you may have come

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Speaker 4: surveillance in American intelligence terms. We call these people eyes

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Speaker 14: You know. One of their biggest exports of Russia is

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Speaker 4: This is Ina DeSilva, one of the first Russian model

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Speaker 14: All these girls were sent out into the world and

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Speaker 4: She mentions a well known Russian model who did this

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Speaker 14: If you're really going to do modeling, you do not

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Speaker 14: And that's like a typical thing. It's pretty unbelievable. I mean,

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Speaker 14: Germany right now is like a rat's nest with all

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Speaker 3: German intelligence agency has warned against the risk of an

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Speaker 9: This comes as West ramps up its support for Ukraine.

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Speaker 14: They've all been told to penetrate and influence anybody who

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Speaker 14: There's this Russian doll, a doll within a doll within

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Speaker 14: Nadal Kolomatosha. Well, a lot of these girls. That's really

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Speaker 4: Level two is pravo kasia in Russian or provocation, and

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Speaker 10: She definitely was going into these conservative circles right among

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Speaker 4: This is Alex Finley, a former CIA officer who was

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Speaker 10: The whole point, as an intelligence officers you have to

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Speaker 10: if I go in in short shorts and carrying my gun,

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Speaker 10: she did have relationships with a few different political functionaries

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Speaker 4: She goes on to mention a prominent figure that Maria

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Speaker 10: So she knew who to target, and she knew how

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Speaker 10: So you see, it's not always just to I'm going

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Speaker 4: I ask Alex what she thinks of the statements from

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Speaker 10: We went through this sort of kicking diplomats and everything

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Speaker 10: agents and then their assets. I'm sure, I'm sure you

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Speaker 4: So what happens when these Russian agents get expelled and

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Speaker 14: Bhutnai is on the Russian State TV. Chapman became a

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Speaker 4: This women, the other spy, Ina de Silva is referring

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Speaker 4: three is compromant. This is journalist Mark Collinsworth, the author

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Speaker 4: of Agents of Influence, How the KGB subverted Western democracies.

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Speaker 18: The term compromat is a Russian term which means compromising information,

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Speaker 4: Many believe that Putin, who was formerly director of the FSB,

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Speaker 19: Putin is in the intimidation business. When Vladimir Putin met

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Speaker 18: What's interesting about Putin is that there's a strong case

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Speaker 18: to be made that he only became President of Russia

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Speaker 18: in two thousand because of a honey trapping compromat operation.

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Speaker 18: And what happened was that in nineteen ninety nine there

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Speaker 18: was a corruption investigation into President Yeltsin's office. Young women

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Speaker 4: So rather than defend themselves in this corruption investigation, the

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Speaker 18: And then the FSB leaked the videos to Russian TV stations.

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Speaker 18: And so basically the consequence of this honey trapping operation

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Speaker 19: After Yeltsin, Yieltsen appointed Putin his successor by twos Yieltsen

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Speaker 4: The extremes that the Russian government has gone to get

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Speaker 18: They'll do anything. There were no limits, and they would

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Speaker 18: get you drunk, or they would poison you, or they

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Speaker 18: would hire women or men.

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Speaker 4: Of course, this type of compromont doesn't always work if

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Speaker 4: a target is single or doesn't have sexual secrets or shame.

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Speaker 4: But compromot can get much more sophisticated than this. Listen

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Speaker 4: carefully to author David Lewis's explanation of this honeytrap, and

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Speaker 4: notice how the target is slowly manipulated deeper and deeper

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Speaker 4: into a web he can't get out of.

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Speaker 16: An American businessman visiting Moscow or the business trip would

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Speaker 16: be hooked up with an attractive woman who he thought

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Speaker 16: he'd just met by charge. She would be very charming,

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Speaker 16: would go back to his hotel or her hotel, or else.

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Speaker 16: They would be walking back to the hotel when she

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Speaker 16: would start to kiss him. She would then rip her

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Speaker 16: clothes and screen rape, whereupon birdie police officers cover arrest him.

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Speaker 16: That was one of the ploys they used, and he

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Speaker 16: would then be offered freedom in return for some very

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Speaker 16: minor secrets which he knew perfectly well were completely unimportant,

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Speaker 16: but they were secret documents, but of course that was

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Speaker 16: kind of the bait. He would then be filmed handing

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Speaker 16: over the documents and they were then blackmailing, not on

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Speaker 16: the sex charge, but because he had committed an act

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Speaker 16: of espionage and which was not sull serious.

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Speaker 4: Not only is this incredibly harmful to these men, it's

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Speaker 4: harmful to people who have experienced sexual assault and are

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Speaker 4: not believed. Lastly, Level four is the love trap, or

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Speaker 4: is the FSB calls it quote ESTA an operative relationship,

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Speaker 4: the most effective, complex, and destructive of these tactics. It's

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Speaker 4: based on psychological understanding that not everyone responds to blackmail,

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Speaker 4: but human beings will do just about anything for love,

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Speaker 4: and there are men and women around the world in

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Speaker 4: long term relationships, even marriages, to these types of spies.

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Speaker 4: One example of how this worked is the story of

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Speaker 4: Gabrielle Klein. She was a translator at the US embassy

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Speaker 4: in East Germany when one day she met a man

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Speaker 4: on the river bank and began dating him, She also

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Speaker 4: began giving him hundreds of secret documents for what he

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Speaker 4: claimed was a world peace project. It wasn't until he

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Speaker 4: was arrested seven years into the relationship that she learned

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Speaker 4: he'd been a male sex buy known as a raven

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Speaker 4: or Romeo the whole time. Here's journalist Mark Collingsworth.

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Speaker 18: It was a very organized strategic operation. It was quite

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Speaker 18: sad because, certainly the end of the Cold War, lusis

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Speaker 18: Germans eyes would break off the relationships and the women

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Speaker 18: were devastated because they thought it was a serious relationship,

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Speaker 18: and then they would get into trouble because they had

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Speaker 18: leaked secret documents.

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Speaker 4: There's one last spy story I studied that shows just

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Speaker 4: how powerful a love trap can be.

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Speaker 20: It was called the espionage case of the Century. It

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Speaker 20: also became known as a sex for secrets Marine spy

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Speaker 20: scandal of nineteen eighty seven. It involved a marine guard

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Speaker 20: at the American Embassy in Moscow, Clayton loan Tree, who

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Speaker 20: traded secrets for love with sergeon.

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Speaker 4: Clayton Loan Tree was a marine stationed as a guard

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Speaker 4: at the US Embassy in Moscow, where he began dating

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Speaker 4: a Russian embassy employee who was of course a swallow.

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Speaker 4: He fell in love and was soon giving her plans

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Speaker 4: to US embassies, as well as the names and identities

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Speaker 4: of US agents in the Soviet Union. He was eventually

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Speaker 4: caught and arrested, becoming the first marine convicted of spying

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Speaker 4: against the United States. After serving some seven years in

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Speaker 4: prison and finding out about the extent of his betraying,

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Speaker 4: Here's what he told an interviewer when asked about his

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Speaker 4: affair with the Russian spy.

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Speaker 8: What we had back then was genuine.

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Speaker 17: I respect her, I forgive her.

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Speaker 4: And this is the danger of playing with the fourth

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Speaker 4: and darkest level of sexpionage, because love is a lot

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Speaker 4: more powerful, persuasive, and longer lasting than sex. You'll notice

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Speaker 4: that one thing is missing from all this research into

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Speaker 4: the methods and consequences of sexpionage, the perspective of the

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Speaker 4: agents themselves, the swallows and ravens. That's because there wasn't

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Speaker 4: a single seducer spy I could find prior to this

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Speaker 4: podcast who had ever publicly gone on the record and

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Speaker 4: reveal the inner workings of this training and these missions.

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Speaker 4: We only know the stories of their victims. But let's

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Speaker 4: not forget before we continue with the LEAs story that

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Speaker 4: the agents themselves, possibly without a single exception, are victims

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Speaker 4: as well. Here's David Lewis again with the case of

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Speaker 4: the Soviets by Gudrin Heidel, who wrote the Cardinal Rule

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Speaker 4: of the Love Trap. She developed genuine feelings for her target.

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Speaker 16: She was under orders to seduce an American officer who

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Speaker 16: had access to data secrets. Then she made a mistake,

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Speaker 16: the worst mistake a swallow could ever make. She actually

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Speaker 16: fell in love with her target. She wouldn't put pressure

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Speaker 16: on you because she feared it might end the relationship,

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Speaker 16: and her bosses suspected she's changed sides, so they had

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Speaker 16: terminated with extreme prejudice.

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Speaker 4: If your body is disposable to the state, so too

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Speaker 4: is your life if you decide you want your body back. This,

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Speaker 4: in the end, is what I learned from my research.

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Speaker 4: No person wins when sex and love are used as

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Speaker 4: weapons of war.

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Speaker 3: Everyone loses. And this is exactly what a Leah Rosa.

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Speaker 4: Discovered when she made the same critical mistake and fell

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Speaker 4: in love with one of her targets. The consequences for

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Speaker 4: her would be even worse than death.

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Speaker 21: So when the criminals find out that I was a

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Speaker 21: mon they put the back into my head. They drove

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Speaker 21: me to the forest, They beat me up, they did

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Speaker 21: terrible things. But that moment, when I was ready to

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Speaker 21: bedad he called them and he gave the order to

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Speaker 21: bring me back to him.

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Speaker 4: This would come much later in Aliah's career. After being

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Speaker 4: pulled deeper and deeper into a world from which there

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Speaker 4: were few escapes besides death, whether the hands of your enemy,

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Speaker 4: your own government, or yourself. Leah returns in episode six,

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Speaker 4: available now on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 4: Form full credits, check out our show notes