Speaker 1: The guys from paying They've kind of showed me how
Speaker 1: much the equipment matters.
Speaker 2: I just love that I can hit any shot I
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Speaker 4: Welcome back to the Ping Proving Grounds Podcast. I'm Shane Bacon.
Speaker 4: That is Marty Jertsen. We're here in the tour truck
Speaker 4: with a guy coming off a real heater. Victor Hoblin
Speaker 4: is with us coming off a win, and I would
Speaker 4: say one of the best rounds of golf I've seen
Speaker 4: in quite some time. Where does it rank in your lifetime?
Speaker 4: Those last nine holes at the BMW, Yeah, that was.
Speaker 2: That was pretty special.
Speaker 1: I think is as far as playing a tournament round
Speaker 1: with the amount of pressure, what's on the line, that's
Speaker 1: got to be the best best round I've ever played,
Speaker 1: by far, the best nine holes I've ever played. It
Speaker 1: felt like every shot that I hit was was like
Speaker 1: I envisioned it. And when you start making putts on
Speaker 1: top of that as well, that's that's when you get
Speaker 1: some pretty special.
Speaker 2: So that was that was fun.
Speaker 3: Victor, how did things build up to like Sunday where
Speaker 3: it was it. Were you feeling good early in the week,
Speaker 3: did you were you working on any things in your
Speaker 3: swing that kind of culminated. Did you feel awesome on
Speaker 3: the range Sunday before you went out, like, tell us
Speaker 3: kind of how that week progressed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd say I'm a pretty tough critic on myself,
Speaker 1: so I'd never, rarely, never really feel like, Man.
Speaker 2: I am absolutely playing lights out.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go and shoot sixty four, especially over the weekend,
Speaker 1: Like my bad shots were just so good. I missed
Speaker 1: the center of face a lot actually over the course
Speaker 1: of the last thirty six holes. But when my missus
Speaker 1: are going very very straight, even when I'm you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not hitting the center of the face and the
Speaker 1: bad swings are going pretty straight, and I'm still giving
Speaker 1: myself fairway hits and short looks for birdie even when
Speaker 1: I'm not hitting in the center. That's that's when you
Speaker 1: know kind of things are. You're swinging it well and
Speaker 1: things are going right.
Speaker 2: So I don't have like one particular shot that stands out.
Speaker 4: But the draw on eighteen, I mean that has to
Speaker 4: be a t shot that can't be the most comfortable
Speaker 4: for somebody like you, obviously moving the ball left or right,
Speaker 4: it looked like you kind of win the bag and
Speaker 4: got a little bit more for that T shot as well.
Speaker 4: And it was just directly over that tree, I mean,
Speaker 4: middle of the fair way. It watching on TV watching
Speaker 4: the whole process of that round, and it went from
Speaker 4: Victor's in the hunt to Victor's taf for the lead
Speaker 4: to oh my god, he's gonna win this thing out right,
Speaker 4: I mean the way you played seventeen to eighteen. But
Speaker 4: that T shot to me, it was just it looked
Speaker 4: like a guy swinging with the utmost amount of confidence. Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, that that was pretty cool when you when you
Speaker 2: mentioned it again, I was like, yeah, that was pretty cool.
Speaker 4: Got that in the middle.
Speaker 2: That one was not a miss, No, it was not.
Speaker 2: It helped that the wind was a little bit off
Speaker 2: the left and down wind.
Speaker 1: So I could really just feel like, Okay, I can
Speaker 1: send this ball up in the air. I don't because
Speaker 1: a couple of the other days it was into the wind.
Speaker 1: And it's one of those T shots, especially for me,
Speaker 1: because I don't really draw it off the T I
Speaker 1: can sometimes. Uh So it's either on one of those
Speaker 1: you have to start right of the tree and just
Speaker 1: draw it, or you just hit it straight over it.
Speaker 1: But if it's into the wind and you decide to
Speaker 1: hit it straight over it, the wind's gonna hurt it more.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 1: It's one of those you kind of have to commit
Speaker 1: to one. If you try to do both, it's hard
Speaker 1: to put a good swing on it. But it just
Speaker 1: made it very easy. When it was down wind and
Speaker 1: off the left. I can almost aim at left, hit
Speaker 1: it high and feel like I'm almost hitting just as
Speaker 1: hard as I can up against that wall of wind
Speaker 1: left to right, and I just hit an absolutely ten
Speaker 1: out of ten.
Speaker 4: When you're playing with Rory, is it also that you
Speaker 4: like a rub off on Rory lines a little bit?
Speaker 4: And you go, you know what, I'll just take the
Speaker 4: Rory line on this and I'll just hit it directly
Speaker 4: over the tree with no movement. He was hopefully you
Speaker 4: were rubbing off on.
Speaker 1: Well, the more I play with him, I just I
Speaker 1: just realized there's no point even trying to look at
Speaker 1: where he's trying to hit his drives, because I mean
Speaker 1: just on the first hole, Like the first hole is
Speaker 1: long par five, and it's one of those you don't
Speaker 1: really feel comfortable because it's a pretty hard T shot.
Speaker 1: You're not just teeing it high and sending one and
Speaker 1: down there. I'm just like, I'm just gonna hit my
Speaker 1: low bullet out there in the fairway, hit a great
Speaker 1: T shot, and then he hits his high draw over there,
Speaker 1: and he's like forty five yards in front.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh boy, I gotta just I just got
Speaker 2: a black that I don't watch. It's not even gonna watch.
Speaker 3: It, yeah, Victor. When when there's a hot round like that,
Speaker 3: I mean, I think usually there's like one point where
Speaker 3: you get maybe a lucky break or a lucky bounce
Speaker 3: or some fortunate happens right to kind of keep the
Speaker 3: momentum going. What what was that on the back nine
Speaker 3: there yesterday?
Speaker 2: Well, I'd say I got unlucky on number seven.
Speaker 1: I made a bogie there after I just pulled my
Speaker 1: T shot a little bit in the uh to the
Speaker 1: left and land in the bunker and bounced up in
Speaker 1: the lip of the rough, like just caught a really
Speaker 1: bad lie. Yeah, Versus if it was in the bunker,
Speaker 1: it would have been a lot easier. So I got
Speaker 1: unlucky there.
Speaker 3: Unlucky on seven should have been sixty have been sixty.
Speaker 2: Exactly been fifty nine.
Speaker 4: That's the attitude that shoots twenty eight.
Speaker 1: But but it going back to your question, it was
Speaker 1: I definitely had things going my way. For example, on
Speaker 1: fourteen was just ye, I pulled my t shot left
Speaker 1: in the rough and didn't have the greatest lie, and
Speaker 1: I told Shay, hey, I you know, if this was
Speaker 1: a better lie, it's a perfect nine iron, but it
Speaker 1: was sitting down.
Speaker 2: So if the nine iron comes out a.
Speaker 1: Little bit dead, it's gonna be short of the green
Speaker 1: and rolls all the way down. I'm like, the only
Speaker 1: way I can get this closest if I hit this
Speaker 1: eight iron and it comes off hot and rolling and
Speaker 1: just lands on the upslope and rolls up, And that's
Speaker 1: that's exactly what It didn't end up to one foot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it's what you see in your head.
Speaker 1: But to actually pull that off, that's you know, that
Speaker 1: doesn't happen very often. So that definitely, you know, it
Speaker 1: was definitely my Sunday.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was amazing. Now, when you have your iron
Speaker 3: game like on point like it was yesterday, do you
Speaker 3: are you purposely And I think you talked about it
Speaker 3: on your interviews last night, playing like way more aggressive
Speaker 3: like seventeen, None of the other players in the field
Speaker 3: hit it back there behind that pin. It looked like
Speaker 3: it was kind of crowned. I mean, Rory hit his
Speaker 3: put back there. Give you a little read, right, but
Speaker 3: you were the only one to get it past that pin.
Speaker 2: Are you?
Speaker 3: Are you playing way more aggressive when.
Speaker 2: You're on It's a good question.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, when you hit a lot of good
Speaker 1: iron shots, you feel that. Man, I've last five iron
Speaker 1: shots I've hit, I've hit exactly where I've looked, So okay,
Speaker 1: why not hit the sixth one in there clothes?
Speaker 2: You know. So it's just it's kind of gets into
Speaker 2: that mindset.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, when especially when I'm playing well,
Speaker 1: I almost never hit the full iron shot.
Speaker 2: It's almost like that Tommy Fleet would kind of abbreviated finish.
Speaker 1: I just focus on a number and I feel exactly
Speaker 1: just okay, I gotta just stop right here, hit or
Speaker 1: a ninety shot as opposed to ninety five percent shot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the flight comes down a little bit. And especially
Speaker 1: for those back pins, is when I feel like I
Speaker 1: can hit those low driving iron shots and they'll bounce
Speaker 1: you know, they'll take a little hop and then check
Speaker 1: instead of for example, someone like Rory that I've noticed
Speaker 1: he likes to hit those higher iron shots and kind
Speaker 1: of give it a full finish, which is great for
Speaker 1: the short pence and that's how he can stop the
Speaker 1: ball so quickly. But I think that's maybe a little
Speaker 1: tougher for those backpins. Yeah, because then you got a
Speaker 1: flight all the way there. It just makes the target
Speaker 1: a little bit smaller.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, Victor. The last year, I mean, you haven't
Speaker 4: missed a cut since before the Open. Last year, you
Speaker 4: played in the final period at Saint Andrew's, played in
Speaker 4: the final period at the PGA. The consistency has been
Speaker 4: quite incredible and remarkable, and obviously the wins have come
Speaker 4: as well. What is shifted? Has it been mental? Has
Speaker 4: it been golf swing? Has it been short game? What
Speaker 4: shifted in the way you've gone about your business to
Speaker 4: where it feels like each and every week you're kind
Speaker 4: of in the hunt around the top of the lead
Speaker 4: and obviously not missing any weekends.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say my golf swing has changed a
Speaker 1: little bit, but I wouldn't say like my ball strianking
Speaker 1: is better than it used to be I'd say it's
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit more consistent, But I think for
Speaker 1: the most part it's been I've had the shots, but
Speaker 1: I've picked the wrong spots to go after certain pens.
Speaker 1: So a lot of it is strategy. I'd say, part
Speaker 1: of it is just attitude in general. And I'd say
Speaker 1: just the short game, So.
Speaker 2: Kind of combining all those three things together.
Speaker 1: If I'm a little bit off, I have more tools
Speaker 1: to help me instead of it, you know, a couple of.
Speaker 4: Time ballooning or getting Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'd say, like a couple of times when I've hit
Speaker 1: you know, been in a flunk or whatever, hit some
Speaker 1: bad shots, and I've allowed the bad shots to bother
Speaker 1: me more, and then I'm focusing more on those bad
Speaker 1: shots and where they can go instead of kind of
Speaker 1: relying on my skill set. And and Okay, I don't
Speaker 1: have to hit this drive perfect. I just have to
Speaker 1: not miss it over there. And I've actually got shock
Speaker 1: because my short game can get out of this trouble.
Speaker 1: And then if I catch fire on the back nine,
Speaker 1: we're right back into this, you know. So that's kind
Speaker 1: of been the mindset. And yeah, it's just I feel
Speaker 1: like it's prevented things from going off.
Speaker 2: The rails, if you will.
Speaker 4: When you say not being so hard on yourself mentally,
Speaker 4: I mean, if people watch you and you've got a
Speaker 4: lot of young fans, I think a lot of the
Speaker 4: reason you have a lot of young fans is your
Speaker 4: demeanor on the golf course. You come off as a
Speaker 4: very chill dude. You're you don't really get up and down.
Speaker 4: You don't hear much out of you in terms of
Speaker 4: frustration or even positivity. I mean, it seems like you're
Speaker 4: kind of a five out of ten out on the
Speaker 4: golf course. What's going on inside, Like what's going on
Speaker 4: inside of Victor Hovelin when it's not going well and
Speaker 4: when it is going.
Speaker 1: Well, Yeah, I would say I'm as I said earlier,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a very harsh critic of myself, and sometimes
Speaker 1: I put more emphasis on how.
Speaker 2: I play versus what the score is. Okay, And that's just.
Speaker 1: How I've been wired, because I've never really thought I've
Speaker 1: been good enough. You know, even in college when I
Speaker 1: was playing good golf and I had never really had
Speaker 1: any experience playing against the pros, I'm like, okay, well
Speaker 1: I won this college tournament or I played really well
Speaker 1: in this qualifier, but those guys on tour are just
Speaker 1: so much better, So I need to hit this shot better.
Speaker 1: Even though I made birdie on this hole, it was
Speaker 1: not struck in this in the center.
Speaker 2: It flew a little bit too low. I wanted it
Speaker 2: to be a little higher. You know.
Speaker 1: Just crazy shit, frankly, because now it's part of that
Speaker 1: is still in there. When I'm playing golf. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, I like perfect example number one last week
Speaker 1: on the par five, I hit in the middle of
Speaker 1: fairway and the pin is short ride in the last
Speaker 1: day and I'm just going to try to hit a
Speaker 1: low bullet three wood down the left side. And what's
Speaker 1: been bothering me a little bit. I hit it slightly
Speaker 1: off the toe with my three wood, so it's kind
Speaker 1: of drawing now, even though my swing is producing a
Speaker 1: fade shot, but I just tend to draw my three wood.
Speaker 1: Although it ended up in a perfect spot for me
Speaker 1: to chip it up there, I was just pissed off
Speaker 1: that it drew there instead of it going dead straight
Speaker 1: or cutting two yards, you know.
Speaker 4: So like it's the process over the result, and you're
Speaker 4: you're trying to get more about the result. Hey, I
Speaker 4: shot sixty seven today. Yeah, even without my best step.
Speaker 1: Because it gets to a point where I think it's
Speaker 1: I think I will say I think that attitude has
Speaker 1: helped me get to where.
Speaker 2: I am right now, because I've seen a lot of
Speaker 2: people that are really, really good.
Speaker 1: But if you if you just think that everything you
Speaker 1: do is so perfect and so good, and you just
Speaker 1: get screwed or you get bad balances all the time,
Speaker 1: how are you going to get better from that? But
Speaker 1: if but if you see, Okay, I got away with
Speaker 1: us here, but if the scenario was a little different,
Speaker 1: I don't think I would have gotten away with it.
Speaker 1: So I need to do better to make sure that
Speaker 1: if I'm in that scenario that doesn't happen.
Speaker 2: But it gets to a point.
Speaker 1: Where, Okay, if I'm putting myself in the right places
Speaker 1: all the time, if I hit it a little off
Speaker 1: the toe, a little bit off the heel, it's not
Speaker 1: that big.
Speaker 2: Of a deal, or.
Speaker 1: It shouldn't be as big of a deal as it is.
Speaker 1: Because if me thinking about, oh, it wasn't perfect, it's
Speaker 1: taking away my.
Speaker 2: If that is making it harder for me to perform
Speaker 2: and produce results. That's that's not good. So it's just
Speaker 2: kind of teeter tottering on that balance there.
Speaker 3: Victor. I think the listener is gonna be surprised here
Speaker 3: and you talk about missing your golf shots. I think
Speaker 3: we watch you on TV and we think you're hitting
Speaker 3: flushing every single one of them in the center of
Speaker 3: the face. So I want to talk a little bit
Speaker 3: about your driver. You led the field last week in
Speaker 3: driving accuracy. You play a driver that's forty five and
Speaker 3: three quarters inches, and I think the listener out there,
Speaker 3: I mean I did a poll on Twitter and they
Speaker 3: still think to her players play forty four and a
Speaker 3: half inch drivers, you know, so our driver's super forgiving.
Speaker 3: Tell us about kind of you making that decision that
Speaker 3: jump because you used to play on the forty four
Speaker 3: and three quarter Yeah, to forty five and three quarter,
Speaker 3: almost the legal limit, and you're leading the field in
Speaker 3: driving accuracy, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean I remember it was a couple of years
Speaker 1: ago and I was getting into a little bit more
Speaker 1: speed training, yep, Because I'd say when I got out
Speaker 1: of school, I probably had a one sixty eight, one
Speaker 1: sixty nine ball speed, but I was very, very accurate,
Speaker 1: and I thought there's definitely some equity there if I could,
Speaker 1: if I could hit a little bit further, And my
Speaker 1: driver length was something that I'd never really.
Speaker 2: Thought much about, hmm.
Speaker 1: But I was like, okay, well, you know, when I
Speaker 1: already have a forty four and a half or whatever
Speaker 1: the length was with the driver, it's it's hard to
Speaker 1: get that much physically stronger or faster in the gym
Speaker 1: or with the.
Speaker 2: Stack system for example. Nice, but you know that that's
Speaker 2: gonna take time.
Speaker 1: But if I just get a driver that's longer, I
Speaker 1: you know, which I did a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: and I was like, man, I gained four miles an
Speaker 1: hour ball speed just by doing that. Yeah, And then
Speaker 1: your brain realizes, man, I've got a longer club, and
Speaker 1: you can kind of take off the governor that you have.
Speaker 2: On yourself a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yep, when you've been swinging a shorter driver, so when
Speaker 1: your body's used to going faster, it kind of you
Speaker 1: open up that growth. And then suddenly, you know, instead
Speaker 1: of just gaining four miles an hour ball speed, it
Speaker 1: got to five six, seven eight, and now I'm kind
Speaker 1: of cruising at one seventy seven one seventy eight ball speed,
Speaker 1: which is ten miles an hour more than I had
Speaker 1: when I first came out for school.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's incredible. I think you and Matt Fitzpatrick or
Speaker 3: the two players have gained the most in ball speed
Speaker 3: from twenty one till now. Right, So it's kind of
Speaker 3: compounding some of the stuff you've been doing on the
Speaker 3: speed side with going to that longer lank driver.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think this is a really good lesson because we
Speaker 3: fit a lot of folks at the proving grounds and
Speaker 3: we give them a longer length driver. We have a
Speaker 3: really cool tool to evaluate their strokes gain driving. Like
Speaker 3: sometimes a player will come in, they'll hit it super
Speaker 3: straight like you, and to get more strokes gained, you
Speaker 3: want to help them, like hit it further and go
Speaker 3: into longer length. Yeah, is a really good lesson. Not
Speaker 3: for everybody, but I think especially with your mechanics, your
Speaker 3: technique helpre you already drive it anyway.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The problem is if.
Speaker 1: You have a golf swing that you know, let's say,
Speaker 1: the harder you hit it, the more it just spins,
Speaker 1: so your numbers.
Speaker 2: Just get all out of whack.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So when you start adding on length on top
Speaker 1: of that now longer driver, that's it's going to make
Speaker 1: it spin even more, it's going to be even more inefficient.
Speaker 1: So your swing has to be in a certain way
Speaker 1: where it makes sense to add.
Speaker 2: That extra length.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's definitely a fitting process that has to
Speaker 1: go into it as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we see that with like Joaquin plays a forty
Speaker 3: six inch driver, right, does it really as similar to you? Well,
Speaker 3: you got a lot of handling at impact, did a
Speaker 3: lot of side bends. So those kind of traits kind
Speaker 3: of stack up as a commonality.
Speaker 2: We see who.
Speaker 4: Is your pro athlete comp who when you look out
Speaker 4: at professional sport, do you feel like that guy is
Speaker 4: kind of how I am on the golf course. Is
Speaker 4: there somebody that comes to mind?
Speaker 1: Ah, I don't watch sports enough to really have a
Speaker 1: good comparison, to be honest.
Speaker 4: Okay, it's funny because I mean, this is a very
Speaker 4: big compliment, but I was watching this Steph Curry doc okay,
Speaker 4: and Steph is the way he goes about his business
Speaker 4: is hardcore okay. And then he's out on the court
Speaker 4: and he kind of has a very similar demeanor to you,
Speaker 4: where there are smiles and there is like a pick
Speaker 4: me up moment and he's intense, but it's not too intense,
Speaker 4: and it feels like, again, I don't know if it's
Speaker 4: something you've trained yourself to be, but going into it,
Speaker 4: trying to look positive on the golf course probably helps
Speaker 4: you stay positive on the golf course.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I definitely think it helps. That's that's a
Speaker 1: cool compliment. I don't watch in the NBA at all.
Speaker 2: But what do you watch?
Speaker 4: What sports do you want? It's nothing?
Speaker 2: Nothing, not no golf?
Speaker 4: Do you watch golf?
Speaker 2: Harley?
Speaker 4: So what do you watch at home? What do you
Speaker 4: get into when you're when you're on the road or
Speaker 4: you're at home, you're watching an iPad? What do you do?
Speaker 1: I just listened to podcasts like this one Big Deal?
Speaker 1: Yeah that one to the list. Uh No, I listened
Speaker 1: to a lot of podcasts.
Speaker 2: I faced on my buddies and read. I've started to
Speaker 2: read a little bit.
Speaker 1: It's embarrassing, but I've probably only read about five books
Speaker 1: from cover to cover in my whole life. But I
Speaker 1: do really want to start reading and and and just
Speaker 1: start learning more.
Speaker 4: Have you noticed the type of book that you get
Speaker 4: interested in beaus anything kind of like piqued your interest
Speaker 4: as of later, even like a genre of book that
Speaker 4: you're like, I could get into this, I could read
Speaker 4: a few of these.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been I mean just kind of I've always
Speaker 1: had a very I've always been.
Speaker 2: Interested in science and math and stuff.
Speaker 1: I've never been good in math in school or anything,
Speaker 1: but ever since I got out of school, I've just
Speaker 1: kind of found a way just a more appreciation of
Speaker 1: it and getting to talk to you and and and
Speaker 1: Joe Mayo, my coach, just explaining how, for example, I mean,
Speaker 1: in golf is a perfect example that the golf doesn't
Speaker 1: or the golf ball doesn't know how much you slept,
Speaker 1: or how you're feeling, or what your P two looks like.
Speaker 2: It just it just knows the physics.
Speaker 1: So if you want to have a better understanding of
Speaker 1: what actually goes on, you got to understand.
Speaker 2: Physics, physics and math exactly.
Speaker 1: So if you want to, you know, improve your life
Speaker 1: or make better decisions, it's it's physics and math. And
Speaker 1: I don't know, I've just kind of it's really interested
Speaker 1: in to listen to people that understands this and and
Speaker 1: know what they're talking about. So I'd like to educate
Speaker 1: myself in that way a little bit better myself.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's I've been impressed by you. Victor
Speaker 3: is one of the ones on our staff that calls us,
Speaker 3: you know, so we can talk about some of the
Speaker 3: physics and help the eye a little bit. I was
Speaker 3: going to ask you a similar question when you were
Speaker 3: when you were driving from tournament to tournament during COVID,
Speaker 3: what were you doing in the car? You know, was
Speaker 3: it podcast music alone with your thoughts.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: At that time I was more kind of into the
Speaker 1: music realm uh so, I was just banging out music
Speaker 1: for fifteen hours straight.
Speaker 2: I mean it was it was a.
Speaker 4: Grind a whole album or was it like shuffle It
Speaker 4: was it was shuffled, but like new music, or Okay,
Speaker 4: I'm I've listened to that album.
Speaker 2: Now this this band just released a new album.
Speaker 1: I'll listen to that and and then yeah, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: I wouldn't wish it upon my worst endmy in that car,
Speaker 1: I had a lot of fun. But now I've just
Speaker 1: kind of I still listen to music, but not as
Speaker 1: much anymore. Now I've basically just I mean I listened
Speaker 1: to some days. I mean I might listen to three
Speaker 1: or four podcasts a day, just spend like literally six
Speaker 1: hours just keeping in the background and and you know,
Speaker 1: do whatever. So I'm just constantly listening and trying to
Speaker 1: learn some stuff.
Speaker 4: So you grew up in Norway, you go to college
Speaker 4: and Stillwater, Oklahoma. What was that two week stretch like
Speaker 4: when you got there for your freshman year, You're like,
Speaker 4: this is where I live? Now? What was that?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 4: How is that kind of a smack in a real
Speaker 4: world phase?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it is very different.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I think what would really help me was
Speaker 1: that I went for a visit about a year and
Speaker 1: a half before I started and visited four schools.
Speaker 2: Oklahoma State was the last school I visited, and one
Speaker 2: of my high school.
Speaker 1: I shouldn't call it teammates because we didn't have a
Speaker 1: golf team, but we went to the same school in
Speaker 1: high school where we had a golf program. Christopher Ventura
Speaker 1: went there, and when I just visited and he explained
Speaker 1: his schedule, He's like, yeah, I go to school a
Speaker 1: couple hours and then we're just at the golf course
Speaker 1: all day.
Speaker 2: I'm like, sign me up. Sweet. So when I committed
Speaker 2: and came back there.
Speaker 1: In uh, what year would have been, twenty sixteen, I
Speaker 1: guess it was just it was awesome from the from
Speaker 1: the get go because it was very simple. Even though
Speaker 1: I'm I'm from Oslo, the biggest city in Norway, I'm
Speaker 1: a I'm a city boy. But when I come over here,
Speaker 1: you know, moving all the way from Norway to come here,
Speaker 1: and let's say I would have gone to Georgia Tech,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm in Atlanta, right middle of Atlanta, a huge city.
Speaker 2: I would have been so lost. So for me, it
Speaker 2: was perfect that I.
Speaker 4: Just the college town made the cost sense to you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, college town was awesome, and everyone on the golf
Speaker 1: team just had a vision that Okay, we're here to
Speaker 1: play golf and get better and win the national championship.
Speaker 1: And just that environment was was awesome to be in.
Speaker 3: Victor tell us about just like the golf season in Norway,
Speaker 3: where did you play their sports growing up? Was it
Speaker 3: like summertime only golfing? What'd you do in the winter
Speaker 3: and what did your childhood of playing golf look like?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I started pretty early.
Speaker 1: My dad worked in Saint Louis for a year, uh
Speaker 1: and just brought a golf set back home. So I
Speaker 1: was about four or five years old when I started playing.
Speaker 2: Uh. But when I was around eleven or twelve. That's
Speaker 2: when I said, okay that I I.
Speaker 1: Kind of want to play golf in indoors in the
Speaker 1: winter because I would just play in the summer and
Speaker 1: then for the you know, last five six months, I
Speaker 1: just wouldn't touch a club. But I also played soccer
Speaker 1: and I did take one no as well, so martial arts,
Speaker 1: and so I kept pretty busy. But when I was
Speaker 1: when I was about twelve or thirteen, I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: I want to pursue this golf thing a little bit.
Speaker 4: And you, I mean, you'd get you'd get six months
Speaker 4: of golf. Would you get seven months of golf? Like
Speaker 4: how long with the season?
Speaker 1: I'd say seven months. It's very comparable to you know,
Speaker 1: someplace in the Northeast or something like, yeah, or in
Speaker 1: Canada or you know, it gets it gets cold. But
Speaker 1: what's what's different is, you know, even though there's snow
Speaker 1: and there's a it's a short season in some places
Speaker 1: in the States as well, at least when the golf
Speaker 1: courses opened they're in pristine shape.
Speaker 2: But that's not the case.
Speaker 4: In normal take a couple of months to get it.
Speaker 2: Never get there.
Speaker 4: You've made a trek back the last couple of years.
Speaker 4: I feel like, like around the Open where you've go
Speaker 4: on back and played some golf, what is it like
Speaker 4: being a twenty five year old going back to where
Speaker 4: you grew up and you're now this like, you know,
Speaker 4: national superstar. People are wanting to come out and watch
Speaker 4: you play as you're out there with buddies and family
Speaker 4: and things like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that's surreal. It is a little bit wild. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I just remembered a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna play with a couple of buddies
Speaker 1: of mine and we have this, uh the software online
Speaker 1: that everyone has to register U to put down.
Speaker 2: The tea time. Okay, so my buddy just put it
Speaker 2: all downlands Yeah. Yeah, and then you know the night before.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like this was planned a week in advance,
Speaker 1: so it was just the night before and then we
Speaker 1: show up the next morning and you know, there's a
Speaker 1: couple of hundred people on the first tea.
Speaker 2: What is going on? So, I mean, that's.
Speaker 1: Pretty cool to see what that that a lot of
Speaker 1: people are paying attention and they have gotten into the
Speaker 1: sport because they're watching me play on the on the
Speaker 1: PGA tour.
Speaker 2: It's that's pretty that's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: But it is it is a little bit weird as well,
Speaker 1: because sometimes I just want to go out there on
Speaker 1: a Friday night and just play with my buddies, and
Speaker 1: it's it always feels like, you know, it's it's a
Speaker 1: show kind of but it's you know, that's just how
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 4: And are we talking like top five most popular people
Speaker 4: in Norway right now? Is that fair to say?
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna answer it, but we will.
Speaker 4: You know what we'll say.
Speaker 2: You'll say, you guys there through the research.
Speaker 3: Victor, I want to I want to ask you a
Speaker 3: question about like just improving your game. You know, I've
Speaker 3: heard you have you have the interview you did where
Speaker 3: you talking about kind of compound interest and in making
Speaker 3: those little improvements day after day. How do you evaluate
Speaker 3: you know, from my standpoint, you've done some things like
Speaker 3: you know you're playing great and you switch coaches, or
Speaker 3: you tink with your clubs, you try longer driver we
Speaker 3: see with the double pump on the driver back in
Speaker 3: the day.
Speaker 2: Like about that? How so cool?
Speaker 3: How do you evaluate maybe taking a risk, uh, in
Speaker 3: order to get better?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Because we've seen a lot of players in the history game,
Speaker 3: make a change like that and maybe not you know, regress.
Speaker 3: You know, so what is your calculus there? How much
Speaker 3: courage does that take? Like what is that process for you?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I would say some of it is is maybe not
Speaker 1: always calculated. Some of it is just kind of for
Speaker 1: the chaos of it, and then just see.
Speaker 2: You know, what's going to happen is kind of exciting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out.
Speaker 2: Most of the time, I'm not going to try.
Speaker 1: Something completely new at the biggest events.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: But if I'm playing, you know, just a regular tour
Speaker 1: event and I want to try something, I'm going to
Speaker 1: try it out. Yeah, and it might not work, but
Speaker 1: that's fine if I can learn from it and and
Speaker 1: kind of okay, why did not why did it not work?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense. Okay, across that all the list
Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, well it didn't work because of this,
Speaker 1: Well what if we change it.
Speaker 2: And try this instead? And you know, so it's it's
Speaker 2: easy to go down rabbit holes that way.
Speaker 1: But you know, I think it goes back to the
Speaker 1: question that Joe and I talk a lot about, and
Speaker 1: we like to play poker a lot. So a lot
Speaker 1: of the discussion is in terms of, Okay, where's the
Speaker 1: equity going to come from? Like the way that I
Speaker 1: drove it last week, There's probably not so much tinkering
Speaker 1: that we need to do with the driver, because the
Speaker 1: driver is you know, if I need a game more
Speaker 1: shots off the tee, well I probably need to hit
Speaker 1: it further. That's kind of where my my equity, if
Speaker 1: you will, it's going to come from. So, just on paper,
Speaker 1: short game was where I lost the or that's where
Speaker 1: I had the most room for improvement. So okay, well
Speaker 1: we got to do something in the short game, and
Speaker 1: then that process starts. Okay, what is specifically holding me
Speaker 1: back in the short game? Well, inconsistency in contact. I
Speaker 1: can't predict how the ball is going to come out. Well,
Speaker 1: why can't I predict how it's going to come out? Well,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not controlling the bottom. Why am I
Speaker 1: not controlling the bottom? I'm getting too shallow in the chipping.
Speaker 1: I gotta get steeper, get the right spin loft.
Speaker 2: And then it just kind of goes on like that.
Speaker 3: That's kind of like this a scientific process, you know,
Speaker 3: he just asked, asked why at least five times. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you see where alitsa what's the story of how the
Speaker 3: double pump started? Was that something you tried or coach
Speaker 3: or how it was?
Speaker 4: I kind of wish, why don't you? You're playing way
Speaker 4: too good right now, Like the first t at the
Speaker 4: Ryder count just double pumps one, three, seventy.
Speaker 1: Well at the time, I remember, like when I first
Speaker 1: came out, I was in quote marks, I was battling
Speaker 1: this slice you can call it, which was a good
Speaker 1: thing in a way because I could just aim it
Speaker 1: down in the left roof on every single hole because
Speaker 1: I knew it was cutting back, And in one way,
Speaker 1: that's pretty It's it's pretty nice to have that feeling
Speaker 1: of Okay, I could just aim at there, it's never
Speaker 1: going left, you know.
Speaker 2: That's that's a pretty nice feeling. But at the same time,
Speaker 2: it would always.
Speaker 1: Be a certain hole where okay, it's a dog leg
Speaker 1: right to left, the fairway slopes left to right, and
Speaker 1: the wind is off the left, So it's like, how
Speaker 1: am I gonna fit this cut into that T shot?
Speaker 1: I just can't and that would bother me a lot.
Speaker 1: So I would kind of constantly try to even out
Speaker 1: the left to right shot off the tee, which now
Speaker 1: it's a lot straighter, but at the time I didn't
Speaker 1: have that shot. So what I would do is I
Speaker 1: would kind of pause in the back swing to feel
Speaker 1: that I can get my left arm a little deeper,
Speaker 1: because my problem would be if I if I go
Speaker 1: in one, it just hit it really hard and in
Speaker 1: one swing my left arm would get so far out
Speaker 1: and I would have to tilt back so much to
Speaker 1: try to shallow the club out, but it would always
Speaker 1: just produce a little cut, which was great.
Speaker 2: But if I needed a ball to go straighter, I had.
Speaker 1: To kind of get that pause in there to feel
Speaker 1: my left arm coming a little bit more from the inside,
Speaker 1: and at the time it actually gave me a little
Speaker 1: bit more speed. Uh So it was like, okay, if
Speaker 1: you know on the on certain holes, I'll like, okay,
Speaker 1: this is a this is a double pumphole, you know.
Speaker 2: And then yeah.
Speaker 1: I ended up playing I think, uh the pole the
Speaker 1: playoff three years ago. So in twenty twenty, I think
Speaker 1: I played one or two whole events. Literally every single
Speaker 1: drive was a double pump, which wasn't a good thing,
Speaker 1: but I at least made it work that week.
Speaker 2: So Marty.
Speaker 4: This is a you know, you guys have talked about tinkering,
Speaker 4: and I think something that pro golfers floor me by
Speaker 4: all the time is their willingness to tinker.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, you think about like Phil Michelson
Speaker 4: back the day placed two drivers, right, I mean, you know,
Speaker 4: Adam Scott a few years ago at the PGA Championship
Speaker 4: used two putters. The will willingess to use it into
Speaker 4: tournament round is I feel like something that amateur golfers
Speaker 4: aren't willing to do as much. That's okay, I'm making
Speaker 4: I'm missing it here, I'm not making this swing, I'm
Speaker 4: not doing the right thing here. But they don't change
Speaker 4: anything about it. They just keep pushing and keep trying
Speaker 4: to kind of make the same mistake.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, That's one of the things I admire aboute Victor
Speaker 3: is just that that that willingness to take that little
Speaker 3: bit of risk.
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, and the risk is fun. But at
Speaker 2: the same time, it's like.
Speaker 1: There's there's got to be a reasoning behind the risk
Speaker 1: or or the willingness to change, because I do see
Speaker 1: a lot of I don't think the message would be
Speaker 1: go out there and change stuff every single day. That's
Speaker 1: that's stupid, right, Like, and honestly, I'm I'm surprised when
Speaker 1: I see world class players out here. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I putted it back, Give me a different putt, right,
Speaker 1: It's like, what, okay, why did you put it bad?
Speaker 2: Did you? Are you not starting to ball online? Or
Speaker 2: is your being it wrong?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: It's like, I I'm pretty confident with my putter. I
Speaker 1: start the ball online almost every single time. Like, if
Speaker 1: I have a bad putting day, it's not because I'm
Speaker 1: not starting the ball online. And okay, if it's a
Speaker 1: speed issue, well we've got to deal with that. It
Speaker 1: might be just the greens or is the putter not
Speaker 1: allowing me to have good speed control? Well, generally my
Speaker 1: speed is pretty good, So why would I ever try
Speaker 1: a different putter. It just doesn't make any sense, you know,
Speaker 1: either it's my my green reading or like I just
Speaker 1: see a lot of guys I put it a bat.
Speaker 2: Give me a different putter. Well what if it's a
Speaker 2: completely different makeup, because you know it's going to change
Speaker 2: your stroke and.
Speaker 1: Now you don't have any idea how fast, you know,
Speaker 1: how hard you have to hit certain putts. So that's
Speaker 1: that's just changing stuff just to change stuff, and hopefully
Speaker 1: it works out. There needs to at least be a
Speaker 1: good theory and and and prediction of how the change
Speaker 1: is gonna work.
Speaker 3: Victor, I was gonna bring up your putter, because you've
Speaker 3: used the same putter I think since we played and
Speaker 3: the Phoenix Open together and what was that in twenty twenty?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 2: But is that is that?
Speaker 4: Has it been in the back three years longer?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Four years?
Speaker 3: Yeah, four years, same exact putter, right, And so it's
Speaker 3: DS seventy two. And you have a line in the
Speaker 3: on the flange and on the top and on your
Speaker 3: iping data, which you're on our lead aboard at the
Speaker 3: proving grounds there on our ipin consistency score. You we
Speaker 3: see a lot of folks aim to even the best
Speaker 3: players in the world aim a little bit left, aim
Speaker 3: a little bit right. You were you were perfectly zeroed out.
Speaker 3: Is that something you work on and try to do
Speaker 3: in terms of like your green readom green reading? Do
Speaker 3: do drills to kind of work on your aim and
Speaker 3: things of that nature.
Speaker 1: I think it's just for me. I cannot putt without
Speaker 1: a line on the golf ball. So the line on
Speaker 1: the ball is very important for me. And again, as
Speaker 1: you mentioned, with the putter, I have that double line
Speaker 1: or dual line, and number one, it helps me with
Speaker 1: li angle when I'm looking down at the at the putter, yep,
Speaker 1: because I have it tendency of kind of letting my
Speaker 1: wrists get a little flatter. Uh So that will throw
Speaker 1: the two lines off a little bit. So when I
Speaker 1: can kind of feel like my left wrist goes a
Speaker 1: little bit more older, more straight up, that's when the
Speaker 1: lines are are lined up and it's very easy to
Speaker 1: aim with that setup. And when that left wrist is
Speaker 1: kind of locked in like that, it helps produce good
Speaker 1: starting lines as well. So I think it's just it's
Speaker 1: a good putter for me because it makes me check
Speaker 1: a few boxes to get to where I want to be.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I want to go to Pebble Beach real
Speaker 4: quick before we let you go.
Speaker 2: One.
Speaker 4: How many times have you watched the ice plant shot?
Speaker 4: And at what point when you climbed down on the
Speaker 4: ice plant in enameter, did you think, oh, I can
Speaker 4: actually hit this thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, watching it quite a few times.
Speaker 1: I mean, just looking at the some of the USM
Speaker 1: coverage from last week, it it popped up.
Speaker 4: I saw aple occasions.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, that that was a sweet shot. Uh no,
Speaker 1: I remember, because like I almost hit driver on that
Speaker 1: whole every single day. And I hit it down there was.
Speaker 4: That was doing four? Is that four four?
Speaker 2: Yeah? And that was in the first round of the final.
Speaker 2: And I just looked down there. I'm like, I know,
Speaker 2: the ice plant is a bat, you know, it's very
Speaker 2: hard to hit at.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I just looked at the lion. I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's sitting up perfectly. Now, he's completely blind. And I
Speaker 1: had to go down there thirty five feet But it's
Speaker 1: match play and.
Speaker 4: As well give it a rip.
Speaker 1: Yeah, might as well give it a go, and and yeah,
Speaker 1: it just worked out and it was It was a
Speaker 1: lot of fun.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's wild. Twenty nineteen the US Open. Obviously, after
Speaker 4: you win the Amateur you played excellent golf. I believe
Speaker 4: you're Silena Ametery turn pro That next week. You were
Speaker 4: talking to a few OEMs kind of looking at some
Speaker 4: different club companies out there. What made you land on Ping?
Speaker 1: I just thought the you know, I've been around some
Speaker 1: of the guys before, just seeing him in college and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and I've always really just respected the
Speaker 1: brand and the clubs that they produce, and I actually
Speaker 1: did have.
Speaker 2: Because I played.
Speaker 1: Tailor made my whole college career and the year basically
Speaker 1: before I went to college. But I remember one time
Speaker 1: I started swinging it.
Speaker 2: So poorly and I actually.
Speaker 1: Got fitted for some ping irons and I had a
Speaker 1: pin driver, and I'm like, this, this.
Speaker 2: Stuff is pretty easy to hit.
Speaker 1: So it was always in the back of my mind,
Speaker 1: like when I swung it the worst, I switched to
Speaker 1: pink clubs.
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, this is better.
Speaker 1: But I ended up going back to the tailment clubs
Speaker 1: because that's what I had played with. And then obviously
Speaker 1: when it was time to decide what brand I was
Speaker 1: gonna go with for Turning Pro, I really, you know,
Speaker 1: just delved into the stuff a little bit deeper and
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, I love the driver. Putter's great
Speaker 1: and the irons were awesome. So I'm like, all right,
Speaker 1: this this sounds like a great fit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, easy switch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that that US opening night was quite impressive. You're
Speaker 3: driving then.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And the following week, I remember I think I
Speaker 1: gained maybe fourteen shots or something stupid and two tournaments.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was awesome.
Speaker 3: Now your driver, you play that little cut down there
Speaker 3: with your irons. Are you shaping them a lot or
Speaker 3: are you just trying to hit them literally with not
Speaker 3: much curve on them, not trying to curve it a lot. Ye,
Speaker 3: I would say, I'm hitting a lot of really straight shots.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but when that's when I'm hitting the normal full swing.
Speaker 1: So when I'm hitting that full swing iron shot, it
Speaker 1: will go very straight, sometimes even draw a little bit.
Speaker 1: But when I'm absolutely dialed in and I'm trying to
Speaker 1: just hit my yardages and hitting those kind of three
Speaker 1: quarter shots all take off distance by just trying to
Speaker 1: cut it a little bit more. So when I'm really
Speaker 1: swinging it, well, I'm like, okay, a perfect shot goes
Speaker 1: this far, I need to take four yards off of it.
Speaker 1: So I'll put a little bit of a you know,
Speaker 1: more open the baseline, get my hands to feel like, okay,
Speaker 1: they're going a little bit more left, and put a
Speaker 1: little bit more cut spin on it, and that's gonna
Speaker 1: take off a couple of yards. And that's when I'm
Speaker 1: in the zone. That's that's when I'm hitting that just
Speaker 1: a little bigger curve in there, and I know the
Speaker 1: best part about that shot it's never going left, and
Speaker 1: so that gives me a lot of safety and I
Speaker 1: can really attack pins that way.
Speaker 3: We use that curve to control your distance a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 3: were there any of those shots yesterday? I would say
Speaker 3: I hit a really nice one onto number twelve.
Speaker 1: I hit a nice five iron down there, positioned myself
Speaker 1: well and I had like one hundred and fifty five yards,
Speaker 1: and going back to earlier, I was hitting its really
Speaker 1: far and it was down wind to front right pin,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, this is a perfect kind of cut,
Speaker 1: hold off pitching wedge, and I just you know, aimed
Speaker 1: it left, aimed the middle of the green and just
Speaker 1: hit a nice cut in there, probably five six seven yards.
Speaker 2: Yeahs are pretty close. So I hit numerous of those
Speaker 2: shots in there.
Speaker 4: People are gonna like playing with you at the Ryder Cup,
Speaker 4: I believe, especially the way you're swinging at it right now.
Speaker 4: When does the mentality switch, I'm assuming it's some of
Speaker 4: it's already there, i mean, Tour Championship this week, But
Speaker 4: when does the mind go Okay, it's Ryder Cup time.
Speaker 4: I'm dialed in, no hats, you know, I'm gonna hit
Speaker 4: my haircut and get it all dialed so I can
Speaker 4: I can go euro hatless, you know, I mean it
Speaker 4: seems to be a trend. And also, who would you
Speaker 4: love to play with in one of the team events
Speaker 4: that or one of the partnership events at the Ryder
Speaker 4: Cup that you maybe have never played a group like
Speaker 4: a team thing with before.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't think you can fully be in Ryder Cup
Speaker 1: mode until you get there.
Speaker 4: Okay, but like like week of get to Italy and you're.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's when it just hits. There we
Speaker 1: go and here we go, see the bag. Yeah, it's on.
Speaker 1: But we're constantly you know, we have a group that
Speaker 1: thread and constantly in talks with Luke the captain. And
Speaker 1: you know, if I'm playing with like for example, I
Speaker 1: played with Rory yesterday and and anytime I'm just playing
Speaker 1: with guys that are gonna be on the team, it's like, man,
Speaker 1: that's gonna be so much fun.
Speaker 4: I mean, like if you talk about it with Rory
Speaker 4: when you guys are playing like yesterday, I mean there
Speaker 4: chatter about the Ryder Cup.
Speaker 1: I said after after I made the plot on eighteen
Speaker 1: and we walked off and I said, man, Ron's gonna
Speaker 1: be fun. And yeah, and he played he played well
Speaker 1: as well. So I feel like our team is really
Speaker 1: starting to shape up, and I think it's going to
Speaker 1: be a blast. In terms of the partners. I got
Speaker 1: to play with a few different guys last time. I
Speaker 1: I haven't played too much with Turrell, but you know,
Speaker 1: ping guy and and I just really love hanging out
Speaker 1: with Turrell, So I think it'd be cool that.
Speaker 2: I think that would be a good pairing. But I
Speaker 2: feel like what's so cool.
Speaker 1: With our team is that we could literally just put
Speaker 1: anyone together and I think we're gonna have just a
Speaker 1: strong lineup no matter what.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it's uh. I feel like golf people
Speaker 4: just when it's Ryder Cup year, you get through the
Speaker 4: Open Championship, you start to get to the playoffs, and
Speaker 4: like the focus just all turns to it and it's
Speaker 4: three days. I mean. That's also a crazy thing about
Speaker 4: the Ryder Cup is it's this enormous thing every two
Speaker 4: years and you get three days of it and then
Speaker 4: it's you know, wait two more years and you get
Speaker 4: to go at it again. So it's so very exciting.
Speaker 4: We're excited about it, just excited about seeing everybody with
Speaker 4: out there, you know, I mean, nobody goes hats. Everybody
Speaker 4: gets the aircut. Everybody puts a little product in it, you know,
Speaker 4: especially if it's gonna be a little windy in Italy,
Speaker 4: you know, you gotta gotta add double product. But light
Speaker 4: they're great playing.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: That was so cool to see. I know, I was
Speaker 4: living to breathe on every swinge. I mean literally, like
Speaker 4: my son was yelling at me about the TV. My
Speaker 4: kids were I want he wanted something else on. My
Speaker 4: son's a little young for it. He's four, he's not
Speaker 4: quite into the golf mode yet. But uh, congrats on
Speaker 4: the victory.
Speaker 2: You can go. Thank you. Yeah, I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, awesome victor.