1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Caf I am six forty. You're listening to the John 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: and Ken Show on demand on the iHeartRadio app. It's 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: a good thing. We're all here, Deborah Mark, and we 4 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: made it through the weekend. How scary was that on 5 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 1: Saturday with reports that there might be a coup going 6 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:18,959 Speaker 1: on in Russia? 7 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 2: Crazy. 8 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:21,279 Speaker 1: I was looking for John. He's still not in. I 9 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: think he's in the bunker. 10 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 2: I know he's hiding. 11 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: I was thinking about joining him. 12 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 2: Oh you were, I thought you didn't want to go 13 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 2: anywhere near that bunker. 14 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: Well what if Putin goes scorched Earth and just decides 15 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: to unleash all the nukes everywhere? 16 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:35,480 Speaker 2: Oh, I know, it's terrifying. 17 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:37,480 Speaker 1: Because he's about to go down in this coup. It 18 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: was over in a matter of hours, if you really 19 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: believe the entirest story, because you know information you get 20 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 1: from that part of the world, even Ukraine. Who knows 21 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: what exactly to believe. But this is all about this 22 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: mercenary army called Wagner Group, led by a commander. His 23 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: name is Yevgeny Pergosen, and they were marching towards Moscow. 24 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: One believe that the idea was to take out the 25 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: government and Putin, and then hours later we learned no, 26 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: it's over and some sort of deal was reached and 27 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: he's out of the country. Progosion supposedly in Belarus is 28 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: where he's been exiled to whether or not he lives 29 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: very long. But I've heard everything from you know, this 30 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 1: could be the end of Putin, this could be the 31 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 1: end of Progosion, or this whole thing was orchestrated. Let's 32 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 1: talk about all this right now with our guest, Lieutenant 33 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: Colonel Daniel Davis, retired from the US military, a senior 34 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 1: Fellow and military expert with Defense Priorities Defense Priorities dot Org. 35 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to the John and Ken Show. 36 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:46,559 Speaker 3: Hey, thanks for having me. I appreciate being here. 37 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: Sure, first explain to our listeners what the heck is 38 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: the what the Wagner. 39 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 3: Group, Well, what the Vaguer Group is is what it's 40 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 3: called a professional military company. There's really no analog in 41 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 3: the US to relate it to. It's not like a 42 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 3: a trip traditional mercenary group because it's Russians fighting for Russia, 43 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 3: but instead of fighting under the command of the Ministry 44 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 3: of Defense, they were hired separately and paid by the 45 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 3: Ministry of Defense equipped by the Ministry of Defense, but 46 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 3: they conducted their operations as they saw fit, and that's 47 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 3: actually the reason why they were have been uniformly and 48 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 3: uniquely effective on the battlefield, more so than the rest 49 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 3: of the Russian Army because they fought differently and they're 50 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 3: organized differently. But that success has come at a cost, 51 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 3: I think because they Fregosian that you just mentioned there, 52 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 3: I think started thinking he was bulletproof and started kind 53 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 3: of acting crazy towards Poutin. 54 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, there were reports that he actually wants to be 55 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: the next president of Russia. Have you heard that too, You. 56 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 3: Know, I haven't heard that. There were some rumors that 57 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 3: he might be interested in politics after the war, but 58 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 3: he was sharply focused on winning the combat in the 59 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 3: conflict and actions of this this, uh, this, I guess 60 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 3: rebellion is probably the better word to put it. Seemed 61 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 3: to support that because even progoesion in the midst of 62 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 3: all this, and subsequently, in turn fact, just hours ago 63 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 3: reiterated this was never to upset or unseat Putin, but 64 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 3: it was to get a change in the Ministry of Defense. 65 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 3: From the Ministry of Defense and the commander of the 66 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 3: Armed Forces who he regarded as being incompetent and harming Russia. 67 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 3: So that's what he has claimed all along, and he's 68 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 3: still saying the same thing today. 69 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, if it's all true, it could be an 70 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: indicator that things are going really, really badly for the 71 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: Russians in this attempt to take Ukraine. But he also 72 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: says that maybe a factor and why they were marching 73 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: towards Moscow was that he thinks that there was a 74 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: Russian military strike on his troops. 75 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's one of the things he claims, and there's 76 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 3: not really a lot of evidence to support that. I 77 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 3: think the best interpretation is that he decided he was 78 00:03:56,720 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 3: going to go after the Minister of Defense because they 79 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 3: had set in place planned it by July first, the 80 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 3: organization was going to be defunded and disbanded and unless 81 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 3: they signed a contract directly with the government so that 82 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 3: they would basically take Pregoshan out of the picture instead 83 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 3: of doing that, He's it looks like he made that 84 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 3: part enough to get everybody fired up and then started 85 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 3: marching towards Rustov on Don and then eventually towards Moscow. 86 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 3: So I think that that part was basically manipulated and 87 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 3: made up, and then the move was very much real. 88 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: And let's talk about this concerning the Wagner Group. They're 89 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 1: sort of like plausible deniability. I mean, one of the 90 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: reasons they exist because as you said, there are a 91 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: lot of a lot of Russians. Are all Russians pretty much. 92 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: I heard some of them are former prisoners too. But 93 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: this was to make it look like, well, the Russian 94 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: government isn't doing this invasion in Syria or Africa. You 95 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 1: can't blame us. It's this Wagner group. 96 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 3: It's a very thin veil. Then most of the time 97 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 3: they're actually in coordination directly with the government, even openly, 98 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 3: and they're actually operating with the Russian armed forces in 99 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 3: Syria and in several places in Africa even today. So 100 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 3: that's even up in the air how that part's gonna 101 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 3: work out. But I don't know if you saw it, 102 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 3: but just minutes ago Putin had a speech where he 103 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 3: said that he has now allowed the Wagner Fighters, which 104 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 3: was one of the big unknowns, to either sign a 105 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 3: contract with the Russian government or they could go into Bailarus. 106 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 3: And several of them have already been seen going in there. 107 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 3: Which gives some credence to the possibility that the Pregosian 108 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 3: is going to go there and continue to operate with 109 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 3: Wagner from Baylor US and put it potentially a northern 110 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 3: threat to Ukraine. 111 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: A lot of people believe, I don't know what you believe, 112 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: that progos is not going to be around long, that 113 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: Putin tends to eliminate his enemies. 114 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 3: If he is a real enemy, that's certainly a threat. 115 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 3: I mean, that's happened so many times. No one can 116 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,359 Speaker 3: certainly get by with that or say that's not going 117 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 3: to happen. What we don't know and what would really 118 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 3: weigh in on whether that does or doesn't happen is 119 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 3: what was the secret deal that was made between Lukashenko, 120 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 3: the president of Baylarus, Putin and Progosian. Because there is 121 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 3: some suspicion that this could have been like a target 122 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 3: of opportunities, so to speak, and he's going to say, hey, 123 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 3: instead of fighting us, why don't you go and fight 124 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 3: from the different front and go over there with Baylarus. 125 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 3: There's apparently going to be a big announcement by Lukashenko 126 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 3: in the morning where we might get more visibility on 127 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 3: exactly what Progosian is going to be doing there, but 128 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 3: we know for sure by the Putin himself that many 129 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 3: of the Vagnerats are moving into Belarus as we speak. Now. 130 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: There's a report that there was the twenty five thousand 131 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 1: Mercenary Force had about eight thousand fighters at the time 132 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: that they were allegedly marching towards Moscow. I don't know 133 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: if you all saw this or talking to Lieutenant Colonel 134 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: Daniel Davis, retired from the military with defense priorities, if 135 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: you saw this, But there's reports that Russian intelligence operatives 136 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: reached out to families of some of the Mercenary soldiers 137 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: and said, if you keep march in your family, you 138 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: could be in big trouble. Did you see those reports. 139 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 3: I did see some of those reports. Of course, I 140 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 3: have no way to know if it's valid or not, 141 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 3: but it's certainly plausible. 142 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: Now, what do you think about this other theory that 143 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: some of this might have been staged? I guess even 144 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: President Biden had to say, we had nothing to do 145 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: with it, but that some of this might have been 146 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: staged to have people rally around Putin. That would be 147 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: the Russian people thinking that you know, now that he's 148 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: quelled this rebellion. This was awful that someone tried to 149 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: top all their efforts in Ukraine. 150 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 3: You know, there's been so many crazy things going on 151 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 3: with this. It's really hard to rule anything out right now, 152 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 3: especially you know, looking at it from this distance. But 153 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 3: the fact that seven Russian aircraft fixed wing and rotary 154 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 3: wing were shot down as a result of this, and 155 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 3: several people were killed, I tend to think that's probably 156 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 3: not the case because it's way too big of a 157 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 3: risk to actually have armored convoys on the road to 158 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 3: the capitol. Because it looks terrible for Putin. He comes 159 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 3: off looking weakened do this because this pregosion issue has 160 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 3: been going on since February and exploded again in May, 161 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 3: and Putin took no action this. He didn't he didn't 162 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 3: take care of his Minister of Defense, he didn't do 163 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 3: anything to change the dynamics. He didn't punish Pregosian. So 164 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 3: he's coming off looking like, hey, who's in charge here? 165 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 3: So there's some questions about his leadership here, and a 166 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 3: lot's going to depend on what happens next, is to 167 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 3: whether that's just a temporary problem or whether it festers 168 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 3: into something more later. 169 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, do you believe this is the beginning 170 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: of the end of Putin? 171 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 3: So far? No, so far, this is just an embarrassment 172 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 3: and a you know, a red or an orange flag, 173 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 3: I'll say a yellow flag. But it depends on what 174 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 3: happens next. If Putin is not able to get control 175 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 3: of the situation, especially with Wagner, and if Progosion continues 176 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 3: to be a thorn in his side and it looks 177 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 3: like he can't control him, and most importantly, if Putin 178 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 3: is not able to go on an offensive this summer 179 00:08:55,559 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 3: and significantly moved the front line to the west, then 180 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:03,199 Speaker 3: I think that this cheek that's been in the arbor 181 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 3: can expand. But if he succeeds in that, and if 182 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 3: he gets control of Wagner, he could end up being strengthened. Actually, 183 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:11,719 Speaker 3: so we have to wait. It's impossible to say which 184 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 3: way it will go. Right now, this. 185 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: Seems to point out just how well things are going 186 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: for Ukraine. If we have some sort of revolt by 187 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: the big mercenary army leader against the Russian government because 188 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: he is angry with the Russian defense officials, it tells 189 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: you that things are really screwed up from the Russian 190 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: side of this. 191 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,839 Speaker 3: Well, it says that that things are dysfunctional on the 192 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 3: Russian side, that's for sure, but it doesn't go so 193 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 3: far as to say things are going good for the 194 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 3: Ukraine side, because on the battlefield, even against the regular 195 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 3: Russian forces, things are going really bad and have been 196 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 3: for the last three weeks of this offensive. They just 197 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 3: today seem to have gained another settlement in kind of 198 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 3: the center of the Zappharisia area, which is helpful to 199 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 3: the other side, but they should have probably captured that 200 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 3: within the first seventy two hours if the offense was 201 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 3: going to have a good chance of success. They have 202 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 3: while so many men and so many of these Western 203 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 3: tanks and Bradley fighting vehicles that we gave them just 204 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 3: to get these basically seven or eight kilometers, they don't 205 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 3: have enough striking power to get all the way down 206 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 3: to the Azok coast, which was the original guest the 207 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,319 Speaker 3: in cant So right now they're kind of their Ukraine 208 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 3: side's kind of in trouble because they don't have enough 209 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 3: power to keep going for this and to achieve anything 210 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 3: meaningful on the battlefield. So it's uncertain where even that's going. 211 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: All right, thank you so much for talking to me, 212 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 1: Lieutenant Colonel Daniel Davis, US military, retired Senior Fellow and 213 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: military expert with Defense Priorities. I appreciate you. 214 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 3: Coming on you bet, thanks for having me. 215 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 1: Hi Defense Priorities, Defense Priorities dot Org. More coming up 216 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: on the John and Kenshaw andateya. What's next. Exciting news. 217 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: The CAFI inflation compensation contest is back in about five 218 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: minutes or so. You'll have a chance. You're going to 219 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: hear a keyword. Follow the instructions for your chance. It's 220 00:10:56,080 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 1: some money. Johnny KENKFI AM six forty Live every were 221 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app. 222 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 4: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 223 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 4: AM six forty. 224 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: So we just talked about the look like an attempted coup, 225 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:14,839 Speaker 1: although now the man behind it and the leader of 226 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 1: the Wagner Group, the Mercenary group in Russia, says that oh, no, no, no, 227 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: it's just a protest. We're going to march to Moscow 228 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: as a protest, that's all. Oh, he'll probably get pricked 229 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 1: with a needle or something. He's supposedly in Belarus in exile. 230 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 1: But I don't think we'll hear much from that man anymore. 231 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: And it looks like the rest of the Wagner group 232 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: soldiers can integrate into the Russian military if they want to. 233 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: I had said that Biden was asked today or at 234 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: least offered that the US had nothing to do with 235 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: what happened in Russia on Saturday, which looked like really 236 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: good news. Maybe the end of Putin. We don't know, though. 237 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:54,839 Speaker 1: The end of Putin doesn't necessarily mean the end of 238 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: the war with Ukraine. You don't know who's going to 239 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: take over this place, and what kind of crazy ideas 240 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: they have about angering that part of the world and more. 241 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:05,559 Speaker 1: The other thing Biden got asked about today, and of 242 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: course this would have to come from Fox News. It's 243 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: about his son Hunter. Last week, the big stories that 244 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: Hunter Biden well, basically got a slap on the wrist, 245 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: tax charges and a gun charge. The tax charges came, 246 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: of course, about from his business operations. And I keep 247 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:26,319 Speaker 1: asking this question over and over again. I see, he's 248 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: a businessman and like a lawyer, but does he really 249 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: have any special skills that anybody would hire him? Would 250 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: he get any job anywhere in the world if he 251 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 1: wasn't Joe Biden's son, and Joe Biden's been in politics 252 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 1: so long it's easy to see that as a great 253 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 1: place for a NEPO baby. But this guy spent half 254 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: the time addicted to drugs, all sorts of problems. So 255 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: it's really not credible that he has any income that 256 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: I can think of, And of course he's had debt 257 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:55,439 Speaker 1: problems because he's wasted a lot of his money. The 258 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: big story coming out of this is that there's been 259 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: a whistleblower who has been testifying to Congress. In particular. 260 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: What's getting a lot of attention is the fact that 261 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:12,559 Speaker 1: Joe Biden has always repeatedly stated, I am not involved 262 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 1: in any of my son's business affairs. I know nothing 263 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: about what Hunter Biden does in his business affairs. Over 264 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: and over again he's given that answer, which is also bs. 265 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:27,199 Speaker 1: I mean, this is your son. What dad doesn't talk 266 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 1: to his son about? How's it going at work? I mean, honestly, 267 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: you're really going to draw the line there. Most of 268 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: the media doesn't care, but the usual outlets of the 269 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: New York Post, the Fox News outlet, they've been following 270 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:43,319 Speaker 1: this story and a lot of attention has been paid 271 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: to a message in twenty seventeen, a What's App message 272 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: that Hunter Biden sent to an employee of a company 273 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:56,839 Speaker 1: called CEFC China Energy. Yeah, it's a Chinese company. They're 274 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:02,199 Speaker 1: part of Beijing's Belton Road in Fluence initiative. This is 275 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: documentation was reported in twenty twenty by the Republican led 276 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: Senate committees, but it's come up again with this testimony. Anyway, 277 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: Hunter told this employee his name is Raymond Zau, that 278 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: I'm sitting here with my father. This is back in 279 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, and we would like to understand why the 280 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: commitment made has not been fulfilled. Tell the director that 281 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 1: I would like to resolve this now before it gets 282 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: out of hand. And by now I mean tonight. And 283 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: Z that's familiar with me calls him Z. If I 284 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: get a call or text from anyone involved in this 285 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: other than you, Zang or the chairman, I will make 286 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: certain that between the man sitting next to me implication 287 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: as Joe's right there, which could be Bs, but and 288 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: every person he knows in my ability forever hold a 289 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: grudge that you will not that you will regret not 290 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: following my direction. I'm sitting here waiting for the call 291 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: with my father. Oh, he actually says it in the message, 292 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: I'm here with my father. They say there's pictures that 293 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: show Hunter Biden was at dad's Wilmington, Delaware home on 294 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: the day he sent the message. This has all been 295 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: released by the House Ways and Means Committee, which got 296 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: it from an IRS supervisory agent by the name of 297 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: Gary Shapley, who says there's been a big cover up 298 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: in the entire tax fraud investigation at Hunter, because that's 299 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: what he does. He's with the IRS, and he's saying 300 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: there's been a big cover up. I could go into 301 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: details about this other things he said, but basically they 302 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: were told pretty much hands off a lot of the 303 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: operations and looking into Hunter Biden's tax problems. Now, during 304 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty presidential campaign, Biden says he's never spoke 305 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: with Hunter or his brother James Biden, who's supposed to 306 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: be the other party to all this. You may know 307 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: this by now that Biden is referred to as the 308 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: big guy and he gets a cut of Hunter Biden's 309 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: business deals. And this was released a couple of months 310 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: ago also by some Republican congressman A big chart showing 311 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: all the various Biden family members and huge deposits. And 312 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: according to this report, within ten days of the message 313 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: that I just read, Hunter Biden, well, five million dollars 314 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: began flowing to the Biden family from cefcate. So there's 315 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: the bottom line proof that this was a shakedown of 316 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: some Chinese government link business. What the five million is 317 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: for except for influence peddling. That's what the allegations are 318 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: all about. That the Biden family has enriched itself by 319 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: living off of Joe's name and the power that that carries. 320 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 1: Who knows what else has been provided. Former Hunter business 321 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: partner Tony Boblinksky Bobolinski says he personally met with Joe 322 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: Biden in twenty seventeen after that venture, and a May 323 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: twenty seventeen email from another Hunter Biden partner, a guy 324 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: named by the name of James Gillier, said the ten 325 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: percent of the proceeds go to the big guy, who 326 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 1: they both identified as Joe Biden. An October twenty seventeen 327 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 1: email from Hunter Biden's laptop identifies Joe Biden as a 328 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: participant in a call about CEFC's attempt to purchase US 329 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 1: natural gas. So that all leads to this. It's pretty brief, 330 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: but a Fox News reporter badger Joe Biden today once 331 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: again asking him, Hey, do you or you get involved 332 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: in your son's business dealings? Here we go, so to 333 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: playing the music really loudly. There's a Fox News reporter 334 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: who basically said, have you lied about not knowing about 335 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: your son's business affairs? And you did, hear Biden, if 336 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 1: you're listening carefully, kind of utter a no, And that 337 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:46,679 Speaker 1: was the end of that. He doesn't want to hear 338 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 1: about this. And someone mentioned it a couple of weeks 339 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 1: ago and he actually scoffed. He kind of laughed and 340 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: walked off that this is ridiculous, which is, you know 341 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:56,360 Speaker 1: how most of the media is playing this. The only 342 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: story I saw recently that was covered in the alternative 343 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: meat The Washington Post said, oh, this has been investigated 344 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 1: and there's nothing to it. This has been investigated. But 345 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: when you look back and you realize all that the 346 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 1: Democrats tried to do with Trump, right from Russia Gate 347 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 1: and the impeachments and everything else that was considered a 348 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 1: bombshelled in investigating Trump and his family and his business dealings. 349 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:24,719 Speaker 1: You got to wonder, why is it such hands off 350 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 1: this story by most of the media. It's just a 351 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: few media outlets and the conservative outlets that you can find, 352 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:34,479 Speaker 1: and some members of Congress because they're Republicans who are 353 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 1: trying to make more of this. Well, I mean, what 354 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: how does the Biden family get this wealthy other than 355 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:43,679 Speaker 1: living off of Joe's being a powerful government official all 356 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:46,120 Speaker 1: these years? All right? Were coming up John and Ken's 357 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: show KFI AM six forty Live everywhere the iHeartRadio app. 358 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 4: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 359 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 4: AM six forty. 360 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: John has some time off on here with you a 361 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: Debor Mark and the CAFI twenty four hour News Center. 362 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: Oh and I thought of you yesterday. But it is 363 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 1: a sad story. I'll have to tell you at the 364 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: end of the hour, just before we get Yeah, but 365 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: I did think of you because I wanted to do something. 366 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 2: Oh, sometimes you surprise me. 367 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 1: Can sometimes of course it involves a creature, right, it 368 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 1: would involve a creatures. 369 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 2: Well, I was going to say, you're so sweet, but 370 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 2: maybe not. 371 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: I said, what would Deborah Mark do? Right now? I'll 372 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: describe the situation and then you can answer, Okay, you've 373 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: done anything anyway. Also, don't forget the CAFI Inflation Compensation 374 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: cash contest is back today. We'll have another keyword for 375 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:40,479 Speaker 1: you at two twenty, So be listening carefully and remember 376 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 1: you have to go to the website to enter the 377 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 1: word to possibly win the money. All right, So this 378 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 1: is strange. I think we're gonna find out. This story 379 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 1: appeared on almost every local television station news website this morning, 380 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,400 Speaker 1: and just as an example, I'll read you the first 381 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 1: couple of sentences from Fox eleven Channel eleven news. The 382 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: Los Angeles Police Department has busted in the legal cannabis 383 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: super lab disguised as a pizza shop in North Hollywood. 384 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 1: What appeared to be a typical pizza shop was actually 385 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 1: operating as a drug superlab where illegal THC concentrate was made. 386 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: According to LAPD covering this story for KFI News is 387 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 1: Blake Trolley and he'll give us exactly what's going on here. Blake. 388 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 5: Yeah, well, you know that whole quote that you just 389 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 5: read there about what appears to be a normal pizza shop. 390 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 5: Can I pulled up today and said, it doesn't even 391 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 5: look like a pizza shop should be here given the 392 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:43,199 Speaker 5: address that the LAPD commanding officer put out, who tweeted 393 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 5: about this. So I got on the phone with an 394 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 5: investigator a few minutes ago and realized that, unfortunately, and 395 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 5: I hate to admit it, I was starting to write 396 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 5: this story the wrong way before I got this phone call. Yeah, 397 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 5: this was a case of false headlines. It was not 398 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:02,159 Speaker 5: a pizza shop designed as a as a or a 399 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 5: drug lab disguised as a pizza shop. What it was 400 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 5: it was a drug lab in an industrial area and 401 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 5: they were using pizza boxes to transport the drugs under 402 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 5: the radar. So that's that's really what this was. So 403 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,479 Speaker 5: a commanding officer puts out a tweet. I believe that's 404 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 5: where this originated from. That was where at least I 405 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 5: was able to kind of get to the most original 406 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 5: form of this story. And I mean you could see 407 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:28,919 Speaker 5: how it. I mean, there are metal counters that kind 408 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:30,479 Speaker 5: of look like a kitchen, and one of the one 409 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 5: of the photos, there's an officer she's standing with a 410 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 5: pizza box, So, yeah, look at that looks like a kitchen. 411 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: She's she's opened up a pizza box. She's smiling at 412 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 1: the camera, and behind her it looks like pizza ovens 413 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 1: and all sorts of kitchen equipment. It does look like 414 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: the kitchen of a pizza shop, but you're saying it's 415 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 1: just some old factory. 416 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, I went there today, so I get on this road. 417 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 5: It's this little industrial road across the street. Apparently, as 418 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 5: somebody in the area told me, there is a movie 419 00:21:58,119 --> 00:21:59,640 Speaker 5: studio in the area, and I guess or a TV 420 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 5: movie studio. I guess they filmed Sons of Anarchy there, 421 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 5: which was interesting. But that just kind of gives you 422 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 5: an idea, right, there was like a studio, some fabrication shop, 423 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 5: some welding. The smell of pot, now I will say 424 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 5: it's smelt like pot on the street, But I was 425 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 5: told there was also a legitimate cannabis business in the area, 426 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 5: so I think that's where a lot of the smell 427 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 5: maybe came from. I have not yet been able to 428 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 5: confirm exactly how the LAPD was tipped off on this, 429 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,400 Speaker 5: but yeah, I got off the phone with the investigator 430 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 5: who made this bus and he said, yeah, unfortunately, these 431 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 5: headlines are false. Really, all this was was a case 432 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 5: where they were using drug boxes or a piece of 433 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 5: boxes to run the drugs that said two people were arrested. 434 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 5: We weren't really sure if anywhere arrests were made on 435 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 5: this Two people were arrested. They're likely part of a 436 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 5: Russian crime organization. Apparently one of the people arrested is 437 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 5: a Russian national recently released from an ice processing center. 438 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 5: So they are working apparently to find two more people 439 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 5: I guess to arrest are outstad they're working to bring 440 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 5: them in. Still a scary situation. You know, they were 441 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 5: using this lab to make cannabis honeyed oil, which is 442 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 5: known to cause explosions, and it was right next door 443 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 5: to a pet hospital, I mean, so that goes to 444 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 5: show you if something had happened, that would have been 445 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,160 Speaker 5: tragic for all those animals right next door. 446 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,439 Speaker 1: So the way I have sort of unraveled the story now, 447 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: Blake and tell me if I'm wrong, is that they 448 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: weren't doing something illegal in there with the manufacturing of 449 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: this THC honey oil. But it wasn't that they were 450 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: trying to pretend they were a pizza. 451 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 5: Store, no exactly. In fact, Ken, if you pulled up 452 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 5: to the building, there's a white fence or sorry, a 453 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 5: black fence in front of it, not even like a 454 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 5: chain liing fence or anything. It's like a white secure 455 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 5: or a black security fence. You can't even see behind it. 456 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 5: So there would be no point in designing anything in 457 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 5: there to look like a pizza shop. It would look 458 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 5: more suspicious. And he saw what looked like a place 459 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 5: welcoming patrons into a secure kind of industrial building. 460 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 3: So what do we know? 461 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: What do we know about THC honey oil? What what 462 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 1: is THC honey oil? Do you know anything about that? 463 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 5: I don't know a whole lot about it. Like, the 464 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 5: better I answer this question, the more likely I am 465 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:12,439 Speaker 5: to get fired. 466 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly right. How much do you know about all 467 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: this ingredients in cannabis? U? Yeah, because that's what I 468 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: never heard of this. I saw the headline today and 469 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 1: I'm like, honey oil, What what are they doing with 470 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: honey oil? 471 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 3: Yeah? 472 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 1: So I believe what it is is. 473 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 5: I think it's extracted THHC. Though I do think it's 474 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 5: extracted THHC and it's really potent, right, and you I 475 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 5: think it? I don't know. I think you smoke it. 476 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 3: I don't know. 477 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 5: Probably I'm not going to try to answer this. I'm 478 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 5: gonna sound like an idiot to the pot smoking world. 479 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 5: But it's it's THHD extract right at the end of 480 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 5: the day. I don't know how it's used, but I 481 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 5: think I think you smoke it. 482 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: And you're saying this may have started with a tweet? 483 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 1: Is this How did the media pick this story up? 484 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 3: Like? 485 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 1: Yes, this everywhere? 486 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 3: Right? 487 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 5: That that tweet that we're talking about, that series of 488 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 5: photos was tweeted by a commanding officer from the l 489 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 5: A p D. And I yes, I don't know. Maybe 490 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 5: they called the the some of these agencies called the pios, 491 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 5: they called the media line and ran with it. Filled 492 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 5: in the blanks. 493 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 3: You know. 494 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 5: It's it's really hard to say exactly how this happened, 495 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 5: you know where we see all these headlines spot but 496 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 5: I'm sure we're going to see some corrections following. 497 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: I'm looking at the picture again with the pizza boxes, 498 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 1: I mean, why were they in there if this was 499 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 1: not disguising as a pizza shop. And it looks like 500 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: one of the boxes does have weed in it or something. 501 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 5: Yes, so, I mean you can see if you look 502 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,199 Speaker 5: at the photos, and one thing where it does kind 503 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 5: of look like a kitchen is also those those photos 504 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 5: of the trays that are stacked up. I mean that 505 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 5: is something you would see in like a commercial kitchen. 506 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 5: When I used to wash dishes. I remember they used 507 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 5: to bring those back and they'd be like full of 508 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 5: oil and you'd be scrubbing them. But if you see 509 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 5: you can see those like sheets that almost look like honey. 510 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 5: That's why they call it honey oil, you know sheets 511 00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 5: did Yeah, yeah, that's that. Yet it does, in a 512 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,880 Speaker 5: way look like a commercial kitchen. The way it's part 513 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 5: of the problem, I think is the way these photos 514 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 5: were taken. They weren't taken with enough context of the 515 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 5: whole building, Right, You're kind of getting these like these 516 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 5: looks in You're getting very limited scope of what the 517 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 5: whole bust look like. And I think that's why it's 518 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 5: kind of easy to think that maybe this was supposed 519 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,120 Speaker 5: to look like a pizza shop, especially when she's got 520 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 5: that metal calendar with a pizza box open. Yeah, in 521 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 5: some ways it looks like a kitchen. 522 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 1: Yeah. It's very strange story the way that this has 523 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: been disseminated, because although you added something that wasn't in 524 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: the version I'm looking at, that they did actually arrest 525 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: to people, So there is something illegally going on here, 526 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 1: but not exactly a super lab. 527 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think it was a big lab. 528 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 5: You can see those big tanks they have. I think 529 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 5: they use that to extract the oil. And you know 530 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 5: these these these do lead to explosions. I would guess 531 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 5: it comes from that gear that they're using to extract 532 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 5: I'm not again, I'm not an expert on any of this, 533 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 5: but I do know that this was just a standard 534 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 5: drug lab that they would send the people that would 535 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 5: run the drugs with pizza boxes because they could run 536 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 5: under the radar and just say they're delivering pizza. 537 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: All right, I'd say the story is half real and true. 538 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 1: But thank you very much, Blake, appreciate it. Sorry you 539 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 1: had difficulty and didn't want to answer some of the questions. 540 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: I don't know much about the whole cannabis operations, but again, 541 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: this was a headline story that they had busted up 542 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: a super lab disguised as a pizza shop LAPD did 543 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 1: in North Hollywood, complete with photos. One of the police 544 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: officers looks like Debra Mark actually holding up the pizza 545 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 1: box in the box in the picture, but they weren't. 546 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 1: I guess they weren't actually pretending to be a pizza 547 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 1: shop making legitimate pizzas for people as a cover for 548 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,879 Speaker 1: their operation making this honey oil, which I guess is 549 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: some sort of extract to use in production THC honey oil. 550 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,159 Speaker 1: It's it's described as all right, were coming up of 551 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: the John and Ken Show on KFI AM six forty 552 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: were live everywhere the iHeartRadio. 553 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 4: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 554 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 4: AM six forty. 555 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: The show airs from one to four live. 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My guest after the news at two o'clock. 566 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: He's been on the show a number of times before. 567 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 1: One of the people that's trying to do something to 568 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: change what's going on in his city. In this case, 569 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: it's Santa Monica. John Ally's the founding member of the 570 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 1: Santa Monica Coalition. This is a group of business people 571 00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:00,719 Speaker 1: and residents who are trying to reverse the in too 572 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 1: many cities in California now where homelessness and drug addiction 573 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 1: is endured in some ways welcomed. Not enough is being 574 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: done to try to change what's going on. I'll talk 575 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 1: about this as I have many times before. This is 576 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: the buzzword now around this is harm reduction, particularly when 577 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: it comes to drug users. So sometimes what happens is 578 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: they engage in handing out needles and then they stand 579 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 1: by with narcan. The theory is that these people, when 580 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: they want to change their behaviors, they'll come around and 581 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 1: change their behaviors. Meanwhile, we just have to normalize this 582 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 1: and we have to try to protect them from killing themselves. 583 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: That's when it comes to the drug addicts. The same 584 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: can be applied to the homeless situation. They handle it 585 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 1: the same way. There's no enforcement, there's no effort to 586 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 1: get people to be responsible for themselves. Prop forty seven 587 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 1: really diminished the effort this in so many ways because 588 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 1: it took away the drug cases as felonies and turned 589 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,719 Speaker 1: them into misdemeanors, so you no longer can tell them 590 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 1: if you don't go into drug treatment, you're gonna be 591 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 1: charge of the family and there could be longer prison time. 592 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 1: That's all gone right because everyone feels like, oh, the 593 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: War on drugs lost. So we've cycled back to this. 594 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: Let's hand out needles and now the big thing is 595 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 1: narcan so we can save people. Anyway, He's going to 596 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: tell us what's going on in Santa Monica with this problem. 597 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 1: There have been a number of addicts who are dropping dead, 598 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: dying of overdoses or fentanyl poisoning, whatever you want to 599 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 1: call it. And this seems to also involve h The 600 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: La County Health Director, doctor Barbara Ferrer, is involved in 601 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 1: this story in some manner. So we'll talk to John 602 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: coming up after the news at two o'clock for all 603 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 1: the detail on this story, because we like to shed 604 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 1: a light on this wherever this is happening and really 605 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 1: messing up people's lives who live in these places. Yeah, 606 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 1: I mentioned that they thought out of Debora Mark. Yesterday, 607 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: I went on a long walk and I ended up 608 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: south of the Redundo Beach Pier along the coast and 609 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 1: I looked down and I saw like a police tape 610 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 1: around part of the beach, and I did a double take. 611 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 1: So and then I got a closer look, and there 612 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 1: it was a flopping sea lion. 613 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 2: Oh no, it was flopping. 614 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 1: It was yes, back and forth, upside down, wriggling. 615 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 3: Yes. 616 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 1: What did you do? Well? I did nothing because there 617 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 1: was a woman who had some sort of a shirt on. 618 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: I couldn't read the name of it, but she there 619 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 1: are two women who were standing. They wanted to keep 620 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 1: people away. That's why they put up the tape so 621 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: that people wouldn't walk right into the flopping sea lion 622 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: on the beach. But I stood there and I said, 623 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 1: all right, well, isn't anybody gonna come and take the 624 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: sea lion and see if they can't save it? So 625 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 1: I stood there for a good ten minutes. Nothing changed. 626 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 1: The woman is just stay there. She wasn't on a 627 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 1: phone or anything. Maybe somebody's coming. I don't know. I 628 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 1: couldn't stay around all day to find But didn't you ask? 629 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 6: I would have said, hey, did you call? Did you 630 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 6: call someone to come and help this poor sea lion? 631 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 1: I was up a cliff real good distance from her. 632 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: It would have taken me good ten minutes to climb 633 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 1: all the way down. And it's sort of like if 634 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 1: you've ever been to Rodondo Beach is an upper area 635 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,479 Speaker 1: where you can look overlook the there's houses up there, 636 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 1: and there's a walking path up there. So I'm looking 637 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 1: down on the beach. So what if I had to 638 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: find the staircase, which would be some distance. I didn't. 639 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 1: I watched it for a few minutes, and I watched 640 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 1: the poor thing flopping around. 641 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 6: Can't you stand there watching? I mean, there's no way 642 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 6: I could watch that. It would just would break my heart. 643 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 1: What are you gonna do? 644 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 2: I go and call somebody and turn away. I can't 645 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 2: watch that. 646 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 1: Somebody was there. The woman clearly was monitoring the situation. 647 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 2: Well she wasn't doing enough, apparently. 648 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 1: Well, well she must give it CPR. 649 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 2: Well maybe I don't know. 650 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 1: I wasn't there, give it a little push back into 651 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: the ocean. Uh No, you know I did think of that. 652 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 3: Eric. 653 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: Well, well, was it clearly in distress or was it 654 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 1: just having some fun on the shore. What I suspect 655 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 1: was happening is the story you've all been hearing about 656 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 1: that it got poisoned by the algae in the ocean. 657 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 1: Have you heard this story? 658 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 3: Yes? Yeah. 659 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 1: A neurotoxin called de moyic acid apparently has been causing 660 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 1: sea lions and dolphins, and this looks like the symptoms lethargy, disorientation, vomiting, 661 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: muscle spasm, seizures. Should I finish the story, No, not 662 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 1: if it's not. 663 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 2: Going to have a happy ending. 664 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 6: I mean, the happy ending would be that somebody would 665 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 6: come and give this poor sea lion a shot to 666 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 6: calm it down and then take it away and hopefully 667 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 6: revive it. 668 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 1: Well. No, I walked to where I was going. It 669 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: was like a street event. When I came back, it 670 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 1: was lying there dead. Oh they still had the tape 671 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 1: around it. But there was no longer any attendance. 672 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 2: So that's what drives me insane. It was suffering. 673 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 3: You have heard that. 674 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 1: They're overwhelmed right now? Did you see? I saw a 675 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 1: news story last night that these marine mammal stranding centers 676 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,440 Speaker 1: are just full of it's particularly sea lions, just all. 677 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 1: They can't take them all in, they don't have room, 678 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 1: so that probably I'm guessing although this just happened yesterday, 679 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 1: I don't have a news story on it, but I'm 680 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 1: guessing that there just wasn't a responsor any room for 681 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,799 Speaker 1: anybody to get there soon enough. And maybe there's another 682 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 1: way they can tell whether or not they can save 683 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 1: the creature by exactly what phase of the poisoning it's in. 684 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:40,320 Speaker 1: And I don't know if this is the case, but 685 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:45,399 Speaker 1: it says that this acid, the moyic acid, makes its 686 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 1: way up the food chain from anchovies to sea lions 687 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,239 Speaker 1: and dolphins. And then I mentioned the symptoms. Says here, 688 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,919 Speaker 1: in severe cases death and the animals are appearing sick 689 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 1: and beached along the shoreline. This is happening all the 690 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 1: way up in Santa Barbara, all way down to southern 691 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 1: Orange County. They're seeing this. They say it's one of 692 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,840 Speaker 1: the worst mass poison events they've ever seen, and it 693 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 1: may happen for the rest of the summer. One woman 694 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,279 Speaker 1: quoted in this stories with Channel Islands said that in 695 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 1: a bad year, they respond to thirty to forty poison dolphins. 696 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 1: This year, we're averaging ten a day for ten days, 697 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 1: she said, So we need some more volunteers to help, yeah, 698 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,400 Speaker 1: or you need to get another stranding center so you 699 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 1: have the medical people in there the right figure out 700 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,360 Speaker 1: what to do with these sea lions and dolphins. And 701 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,279 Speaker 1: I'm not saying I knew that's what it was. I mean, 702 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 1: it could be that I had some other ailment. It 703 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:45,760 Speaker 1: could be just old age and it was just beaching 704 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:46,279 Speaker 1: itself to. 705 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 2: But ken, I mean, isn't it awful to watch a 706 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 2: creature suffer like that? 707 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,400 Speaker 1: I said, I felt bad. I felt like you because 708 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,279 Speaker 1: I knew, I said, what would Deborah Mark do? 709 00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,440 Speaker 6: Well, I would be on the phone calling nine to 710 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 6: one one. That would be the first thing I would do. 711 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 6: And then I wouldn't be able. 712 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:02,480 Speaker 1: To hoe for a sea life. 713 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 6: Well, yes I would, because it would take me too 714 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 6: long to track down one of these animal centers, you know, 715 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 6: one of these places. 716 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 1: They just google the Marine Mammal Stranding Center, come up 717 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 1: with a phone number. 718 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,560 Speaker 6: I would have just called nine one one first. That's 719 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 6: just that would be my pure instinct. 720 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:20,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I can't. 721 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:24,839 Speaker 6: I can't stand to watch animals suffer. It just I'd 722 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 6: rather them quickly die than be flopping around like that. 723 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:33,680 Speaker 1: It's hard. It's not dangerous for humans unless you actually 724 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 1: ingest seafood that has the toxin in it, then you 725 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,719 Speaker 1: could get sick. But this story, which is a week 726 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 1: old five days. More than one thousand beach goers have 727 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:48,320 Speaker 1: reported dead and sick marine animals to this Channel Island 728 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 1: Marine and Wildlife Institute. They're one of the ones that 729 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:56,919 Speaker 1: rescues and rehabilitates marine animals, but they're getting so many 730 00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 1: calls that they said that they did just can't keep up, 731 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,400 Speaker 1: although they agree with Debra Mark, please continue to report 732 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,800 Speaker 1: all sick and injured marine animals. But it looked like 733 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,799 Speaker 1: the situation was taken care of. That woman was already there, 734 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,280 Speaker 1: just making sure beach govers didn't step on or otherwise 735 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 1: bother the poor sea lions. So I don't think there's 736 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,359 Speaker 1: anything I could have done. I probably wouldn't told yes, 737 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:17,759 Speaker 1: we're aware, thank you very much. 738 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 6: But when did have made you feel better? I mean, 739 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,400 Speaker 6: it would have made me feel better. I couldn't just 740 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 6: not do something. But I understand what you're saying. You're 741 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 6: assuming and I would assume that as well. But just 742 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,120 Speaker 6: given my personality, just in case, I would make that call. 743 00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,000 Speaker 1: Oh, in case you're interested in this. Guess what they're 744 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:40,080 Speaker 1: blaming climate change. That's right, while our out there called 745 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:44,600 Speaker 1: algo blooms occur naturally, human activities that disturb ecosystems are 746 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 1: thought to play a role. This includes pollution and climate change. 747 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:52,480 Speaker 1: This is according to Noah Nahlution. Anyway, all right, when 748 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,640 Speaker 1: I come back, we're going to be talking to John 749 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,360 Speaker 1: Alley with the Santa Monica Coalition. He's been on the 750 00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,719 Speaker 1: show a number of times before, and the update he 751 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,240 Speaker 1: has for us is pretty grim. There are more people 752 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,320 Speaker 1: that appears to be dying from overdoses in Santa Monica, 753 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,160 Speaker 1: and they have a needle exchange program there and they're 754 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,279 Speaker 1: supposed to stand by with NARCAN, but I guess in 755 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,719 Speaker 1: the case of these dead people, that didn't work. And 756 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,239 Speaker 1: he says it's coming from Barbara Ferrer and the Santa 757 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,759 Speaker 1: Monica City Manager, Johnny Ken CAFI AM six forty We're 758 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,920 Speaker 1: live everywhere the iHeartRadio app. Deborah Mark has the news. Now, Hey, 759 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:26,600 Speaker 1: you've been listening to the John and Ken Show. You 760 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,680 Speaker 1: can always hear us live on CAFI AM six forty 761 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,759 Speaker 1: one pm to four pm every Monday through Friday, and 762 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,279 Speaker 1: of course anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app.