WEBVTT - Why's that dude in that dumpster? 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:02.920 Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray. 0:00:03.160 --> 0:00:07.560 It's ready. Are you welcome to stuff you should know 0:00:08.160 --> 0:00:17.040 from House toff works dot com. Hey, and welcome to 0:00:17.079 --> 0:00:20.279 the podcast. I'm Josh Clark with me as always as 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:24.439 Charles W. Chuck Bryant. We are the Koch Brothers and 0:00:24.520 --> 0:00:29.720 we own you. How you doing good, sir? Top of 0:00:29.720 --> 0:00:31.400 theod morning. I saw you give me a tip of 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:34.680 the hat and everything off the old cap. Wow, we're 0:00:34.720 --> 0:00:38.560 suddenly like Will Ferrell and anchor man. You're a London 0:00:38.640 --> 0:00:42.920 gentleman went in Rome. Uh, Chuck, I think before we 0:00:42.960 --> 0:00:45.200 go any further, we should um plug our Kuba Team, 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:48.760 Big time awesome Cuba team. That's k I v A 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:52.400 dot Org slash team Slash stuff you should know. Nice. Yeah, 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:55.960 that's where you can find us. Yeah. Um we founded 0:00:56.000 --> 0:01:02.440 that team in October two, right, brilliant idea. Yeah. Um. 0:01:02.560 --> 0:01:07.360 By October two, last October, we'd already hit the quarter 0:01:07.440 --> 0:01:13.080 of a million dollars in loans mark right, Um, we 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:15.960 are on track to hit half a million dollars in 0:01:16.080 --> 0:01:21.040 loans made to entrepreneurs in developing countries. Um. By May 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:24.080 we just hit four hundred thousand. Our team did, and 0:01:24.400 --> 0:01:26.560 we just wanted to let everybody know who's not a member, 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:30.080 the team is open. Just go on and make a loan. Uh, 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:33.119 twenty five bucks is the lowest increment you can make. 0:01:33.360 --> 0:01:36.360 But it's alone. This is not just an outright donation. 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:39.800 Because it's repaid. You can reloan again, or you can 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:42.360 take it and go on your merry way. But it's 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:44.800 pretty cool. It's a good feeling. Everybody on the Kiva 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:49.600 message board is a happy chipper person. And I don't 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:52.080 know that they are all the time, but I think 0:01:52.120 --> 0:01:54.240 when they come to Kiva and hang out there for 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:57.520 a little while, they get happy. Feel better about yourself. 0:01:57.960 --> 0:02:00.800 I know I do. But yes, halfs half million, it 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:05.480 was nice. It's crazy. Who knew? Well, that's Cuba. Also 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:09.600 we're on Facebook stuff you should know and Twitter, the Twitter, 0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:14.320 s Y s K podcast. Yes, all right, let's go 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:18.760 to sleep. All right, let's get started. Huh, Chuck, did 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:23.000 you know that UM xerox and I think the twenty 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:26.160 one century, maybe a little before that, UM took out 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:29.800 ads in all sorts of publications. I saw it in 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:33.360 some sort of bar association UM magazine. I can't remember 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:37.880 which one. Um saying hey, Mr and Mrs Consumer or 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:42.240 Mr Mrs Lawyer, UM, don't use the word xerox, use 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:47.280 the word photocopy instead. Yeah, xerox is. It's like a 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:51.880 Kleenex or cute dip or as Britain was once a 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:55.720 brand name, Heroin once a brand name. UM. And the 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:57.880 reason that Xerox is so up in arms about this 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:02.720 is because if enough people's start using your term generically, 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:07.079 especially as a verb like xerox ng or facebooking, you 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:12.079 can lose your trademark status. It can become a part 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:15.400 of the vernacular. And it has happened to to some 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:23.680 other um, some other brands before. Evidently Alan Wrench Um, 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:29.320 like I said, Aspirin, Escalator Um, the Jungle Gym, Tarmac, 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:34.280 Yo Yo, Zipper, all of these were once brand named 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:37.400 shattering my everything, the illusion of everything I know, But 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:39.760 isn't that weird? And then there's a there's a whole 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:41.880 this is pretty cool. There's a whole list of stuff 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:45.640 that's um become. It's in that's in danger, it's in 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:48.160 that realm where xerox is right now, where it's very 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:50.840 commonly used. But these people still managed to keep their 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:56.320 their trademark Jaws of Life, Yeah, Neilla Wafers Yeah, ban 0:03:56.440 --> 0:04:01.960 Pong Yeah, is table tennis Yeah, and um, let's see uh, 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:06.640 Skivvy's is underwear. Crock pot Rolodex is technically supposed to 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:09.040 be called a rotary card file. We should just read 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:10.920 each one of these with a question mark at the end. 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:15.080 After everyone for Mica, go card, and my voice will 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:16.800 go higher and higher until you can't even hear any 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:20.680 more untill only dogs start howling. Jack. This is one 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:23.400 that I knew to. Realtor is a real estate agent 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:26.560 that is not any real real estate agent. A realtor 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:30.280 is a specific company's real estate agent, centuries any one 0:04:30.480 --> 0:04:35.000 real tour oka. Um, but you have all of these uh, 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:37.960 all of these bands are all these brands band Aid, 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:40.560 by the way, that's why I said that. UM. Originally 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:43.000 their tune was I Am Stuck on band Aids because 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:45.760 band Aid stuck on me. They changed it to I 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:48.479 Am Stuck on band Aid brand because band Aid stuck 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:52.159 on stuck in the brand because the adhesive. They don't 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:55.040 want to genericize their own name. There's one in this 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:56.919 list that I didn't see that should be and that 0:04:57.080 --> 0:05:01.360 my friend is Dumpster. Did you know dumpster is a 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:08.480 trademark name. He told me, okay, well, the dumpster the 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:11.600 big trash bin usually on wheels um that can be 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:18.280 lifted by a garbage truck. That whole process was actually, 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:23.240 this whole process was originally called the Dempster dumpster, and 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:26.760 it was invented in by George Dempster, who was later 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:30.880 the mayor of Knoxville, Tennessee. And apparently up to that point, 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:33.400 if you were making something or you had a construction 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:35.919 job going on, you just park a dump truck nearby, 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:38.680 and everybody would throw their waist in or take piles 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:40.760 and moving into the dump truck. It was somebody's job. 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:44.840 So Dempster was like, why don't we just create this receptacle, 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:47.760 receptacle that we can eventually, you know, start by hoisting 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:50.440 with the chain and just dump into the back of 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:53.320 the dump truck, or you know, will eventually create these 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:56.680 hydraulic arms that can go into the slots on the 0:05:56.680 --> 0:06:01.400 side of this dumpster with a capital and that can 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:05.400 just lift itself up into the back. I bet you, 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:08.080 he said, I'll call it the Dempster, and his wife said, 0:06:08.240 --> 0:06:11.320 you're not calling that thing the Dempster. I'm not being 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:14.680 associated with trash and how about dumpster and she was 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:18.320 like genius copyright at trade market pour me and Martini. 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:22.440 So and I've always noticed have you ever noticed it 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:25.920 seems like a lot of waste management UM companies, especially 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:28.640 locally owned ones, tend to have a person's first and 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:33.040 last name, like Jackie Curtis Porta potties. Have you ever 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:35.599 look around, You'll start to see it's really weird. Interesting, 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:38.799 It's a lot of pride um. But Chuck, the point 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:42.520 is the whole reason I say this is because um, 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:47.400 we had to fatten up freegans. Anytime we use the 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:50.760 word dumpster, we're using it with a capital D. I 0:06:50.800 --> 0:06:52.120 just want to say, so we don't have to say 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:54.960 t M every time. The dumpsters with a capital D 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:56.680 every time we use it, and we're gonna use it 0:06:56.720 --> 0:06:59.320 a lot because we are talking about freegans who are, 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:03.640 in other words, dumpster divers. Yes, Josh, the word freagan 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:06.359 is a combination with word free and vegan. Doesn't necessarily 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:08.440 mean they're vegan. I think they just thought I had 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:10.920 a nice ring. Probably, I'm sure a lot of them 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:13.200 were vegans when they started. Yeah, of course there's a 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:16.600 lot of overlap or maybe the guy was named Frogan 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:20.760 who started the movement. That's not true. No, actually his 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:25.320 name is Keith McHenry. Okay, Well, freagans, Josh, are I know? 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:29.240 You know this are people who are it's also called 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:34.960 post consumerism or reclaimism. They are anti consumerism. They say, 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:38.080 we don't like this whole cycle of working and spending 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:41.800 and buying and wasting and trashing and then buying it again. 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:44.920 And we are going to try and reclaim and scavenge. 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:47.840 We're gonna try and not buy things. We're gonna try 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:50.680 and not work, maybe just volunteer were we don't want 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:54.240 to pay rent. We're gonna squat when we can. And uh, 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:56.200 that's what we are. We're freagans. In a very big 0:07:56.200 --> 0:08:01.520 distinction between freagans and um tramps, hobo the homeless is 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:05.560 that freakings are doing this by choice um and if 0:08:05.560 --> 0:08:09.040 they don't actually have the money to buy food, they 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:13.520 usually have the skills or education to um to go 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:16.640 out and make the money needed to buy food. This 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:19.640 is all very much a lifestyle choice, and it is 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:22.720 also their very presence, Their very existence is a thumb 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:25.680 in the nose to the consumer economy that America has 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:29.680 which is in many ways very wasteful. One right, Uh, 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:32.640 stat time, I guess in the United States of America, 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:38.960 Josh wastes billion pounds of food each year. That if 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:41.160 you go by the stat that we waste a quarter 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:44.000 of our food, it's between a quarter and a half. 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:48.080 I've seen a half. So it's entirely possible that a 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:51.760 hundred and nineties six billion pounds of food are wasted 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:54.840 every year. And we'll get in two more specifics on 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:56.400 what kind of food is being thrown out, But a 0:08:56.400 --> 0:09:00.400 lot of times it's not oh, this big box of uh, 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:06.040 completely rotted apples. It's uh, these apples are pretty bruised. Uh, 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:09.120 this container is mashed, So we're gonna throw this stuff 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:13.680 out exactly. Um, And I guess it's not just food. 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:15.800 You know, food makes a lot of sense. We need 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:20.840 food to live, work, play, freaking eyes, do whatever. Everybody 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:25.079 needs food. But food has a lot of other inputs 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:27.360 wrapped up into it. Right, Like I think we talked 0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:31.360 before about virtual water, like the movement of crops from 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:33.360 a place that has an abundance of water and can 0:09:33.360 --> 0:09:35.760 grow these crops to a place that doesn't have it 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:39.240 is technically the movement of water needed to grow those crops. 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:41.960 You're just moving the crops, so there's a loss of 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:44.560 water when that's thrown away. There's a loss of energy 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:48.199 to produce and transport these things. Um, there's just all 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:51.240 of these losses represented by just throwing away of food, 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:55.360 and Freakings are like, okay, two things. Number one, I'm 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:57.280 gonna eat that food for free, because I'm not grossed 0:09:57.320 --> 0:10:00.640 out by jumping jumping in your dumpster and technically it's 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:03.760 perfectly fine food. And number two, I'm also gonna do 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:05.480 it to make you feel like a jerk for throwing 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:09.640 it out right. Yeah, critics will fire right back at freakings. 0:10:09.640 --> 0:10:11.960 Oh yeah, well you're putting gas in your car and 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:14.680 you're using electricity to cook that food, so you're on 0:10:14.679 --> 0:10:18.120 the grid, So you're a big hypocrite freaking say oh yeah, 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:23.360 well every little bit counts, jerk. Everybody's calling one another jerk, yeah, 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:26.120 pointing fingers. It just goes downhill from there, throwing food 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:28.040 at each other. Well, I do take issue with with 0:10:28.080 --> 0:10:30.480 that a little bit, like I I do. It's true 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:33.719 every little bit counts, um, And obviously you do need 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:37.080 electricity or heat or something to to live, to freaking 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:39.760 another day. Um. The thing that gets me is the 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:44.520 idea that, um, you should hitchhike um or hot box 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:48.480 cars or whatever, because that way, in that sense, you're 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:51.320 just freeloading on somebody else who's using that gas and 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:54.760 you're still using it too, You're just freeloading it. That's 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:59.040 the one that I do have an issue with is hitchhiking. Yeah, 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:01.319 because I guess so they would fire back. Hey, dude, 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:03.800 that train is going from here to Topeka. I can 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:07.920 totally understand the train. And technically, if somebody, if you 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:11.400 only catch a ride with somebody in a distance or 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:14.040 for in the to the place that they're going anyway, 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:18.800 isn't that what hitchucking is? People out of their way here? Yeah? 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:20.920 And plus where do you give them the person in return? 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:23.959 I can understand the train. It's a company and yeah, 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:30.480 well yeah, yeah, so uh freaking figure. We should point 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:33.959 out that freegans there's not an official organization. Uh, there 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:36.679 is a website freaking uh f R E E g 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:40.240 A and dot info and that's very robust and up 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:42.720 and running. Yeah, that's that's kind of the central home 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:46.719 where you can learn how to forage urban forage. Uh, 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:48.880 They also forage in the woods. We'll talk about that 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:54.160 in a minute. They have classes, they talk about scavenging sites, like, hey, dude, 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:58.000 the dumpster on the street is loaded with baked goods 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:01.120 this morning. Get over there and it gets the other 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:03.320 And I want to say, also, I have nothing against 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:07.199 freakan is um um, it's just freeloading drives me crazy. 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:10.280 But for the most part, freakans don't you know hippie 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:13.920 rob Yeah, yeah, heeries again. But if for the most 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:18.520 part freakans um don't freeload. And there they they squat, 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:22.280 but they squat in abandoned buildings. It's not being used anymore. 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:25.679 They they eat free food, but it's food that other 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:28.920 people throughout. Um. But the I think the key here 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:33.079 that really differentiates freagans from other people who eat out dumpsters, 0:12:33.760 --> 0:12:36.680 aside from being able to buy food, is that they 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:41.800 actually do work or they do activities. They're just not 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:45.960 doing it for money. So for example, they volunteer, right, 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:47.880 because how much money do you need if you eat 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:49.880 out of a dumpster on purpose and you don't have 0:12:49.920 --> 0:12:52.880 any you know, house payment or anything. So you have 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:56.120 all this extra free time aside from foraging and um 0:12:56.200 --> 0:12:59.600 most of them tend to volunteer or um work on 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:04.880 activist causes. Like there's a freaking colony um in old 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:08.079 growth forests around North America where basically they just built 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:10.959 tree houses in these huge old trees and said now 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:14.560 you can't cut them down. It's called the resistance community, right, yeah, 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:16.160 which is pretty cool. It's a cool thing to do 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:20.199 with your time. So let's talk for a second about freaking's. 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:23.040 The key to their philosophy to me is they think 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:26.360 that consumerism is bad because it destroys the environment through 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:32.400 things like deforestation, factory farming, labor practices that stink, and 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:35.600 it's all profits centered. So they think, uh, you know, 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:39.880 that's implicit approval. If you're working, yeah, living in what 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:42.720 most people get, still in a normal life, working and buying, 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:44.679 you're saying that all this, all this is okay with 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:46.600 you because you're taking part in it. We don't want 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:48.199 any part of it. So we're gonna do our thing. 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:52.360 We're gonna not upgrade our iPhone. We probably wouldn't get 0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:54.400 an iPhone. We have an old flip phone, or maybe 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:56.319 we don't even have a phone like that. We have 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:59.360 cans on the strength. I'm not gonna update my fashion 0:13:59.440 --> 0:14:01.680 because the sweat her is perfectly nice. Just because Bill 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:05.760 Cosby might have worn it in it's still a great sweater. 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:09.120 Your mom liked it, and fashion is like, how important 0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:13.480 is that really is there? You know their philosophy. Um, 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:17.680 we're gonna repair things that we have to. That's that's 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:20.720 that's another big point with volunteering and and um donating 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:23.360 time and all that. Um. Like, if you can do 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:30.200 something like repair somebody's camp stove, that's a valuable activity, right, 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:32.760 and uh, in the end, Josh, what they end up 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:37.320 with is a lifestyle that is very much not financially 0:14:37.360 --> 0:14:41.760 dependent on things like, uh, some stinky job that you 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:43.920 have to do that you hate doing, so that frees 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:45.720 them up. They're like, Hey, I need a couple hundred 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:48.080 bucks a month to live, so I'm gonna make that 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:50.320 by doing some odd jobs. And then I'm gonna volunteer 0:14:50.360 --> 0:14:53.080 and give back, right, And also you can you can 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:57.040 get back when you give and you volunteer through things 0:14:57.080 --> 0:15:00.760 like time banks. There's a website um called TimeBank dot 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:04.280 org that I found on the freaking website and basically 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:07.240 it's like, um, let's say that I know how to 0:15:07.280 --> 0:15:11.360 repair your bike, and you know how to um teach 0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:14.840 people how to play the guitar. So I'll go, you know, 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:17.360 repair your bike, and and you teach me how to 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:20.880 play the guitar um and it's equitable. We don't remember 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:23.720 in the bartering podcast that doesn't always happen. You sometimes 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:26.760 have to engage in multilateral barters all that kind of thing. 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:30.000 Time banks get around that by saying like, Okay, well 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:31.880 you went and volunteered at the animal shelter for a 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:35.000 couple of hours, you earned two time dollars that you 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:38.720 can turn around and use for anything, you know, from 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:41.720 a member of this time bank. So that's pretty cool too, 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:44.280 although again it's pretty much impossible to get away from 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:47.040 currency in one form or fashion. Huh Yeah, I mean 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:52.080 most freegans have a very limited uh budget to endorse 0:15:52.120 --> 0:15:56.240 your lifestyle. They're they're probably not completely free, although there 0:15:56.280 --> 0:15:58.160 there might be some that don't use money at all, 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:01.320 but most of them like limited as much as possible. 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:04.840 So where's this going on, Josh? It's going on all 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:08.040 over the world. But if I was a freaking I 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:10.880 would move to New York City, New York City, New 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:13.480 York City. Yeah, because New York city has got a 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:15.480 lot of rich folks. That means there's gonna be a 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:20.320 lot of great trash. I know, what do you Allen's trash? Yeah, 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:23.400 and in trash Day in New York, imagine it's a 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:26.240 field day and the night before trash night, which is 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:31.920 called um. It's pretty bad. You know. The worst in 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:35.520 New York is in the summertime and it's hot and 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:40.640 it's rainy, and it's trash day and the sidewalks are 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:42.720 just full of garbage or in the middle of a 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:45.480 garbage strike. I mean, hats off to whoever makes that 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:48.560 city run. They're doing a good job, I think Michael Bloomberg, 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:51.480 Oh yeah, yeah, it's off to you, then, sir, h 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:55.880 They forage in New York for things like furniture, bags 0:16:55.880 --> 0:16:59.320 of clothes, electronics, Like they'll camp out behind an office 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:02.960 that's moving. M All of what you just said is 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:06.320 called urban foraging, right. It all fall falls under that umbrella, 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:09.680 which is just like foraging, except rather than looking for 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:14.359 um routes to drink water from, you're getting office chairs 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:18.480 for your squad or water. Yeah, that's another thing you 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:22.640 want to But the point is is the the um 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:25.480 the city is the forest with everything you need and 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:27.679 then some if you know where to look and you 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:33.000 can hold your nose. It depends. So you know, every 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:35.800 everyone who's ever once a bad kid knows that the 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:37.840 cops can go through your trash once it comes out 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:41.000 to the curb. So there is actually a Supreme Court 0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:47.200 case UM from California v. Greenwood, wherein the the Supreme 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:51.680 Court ruled that cops could once you put your trash 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:55.919 out it was public property. You expected someone else to 0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:58.760 come along and take it eventually. And that means that 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:01.800 anybody wants you can go to your trash, including cops 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:04.600 looking for evidence that you're a drug dealer, or freakans 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:08.800 looking for bananas that still look pretty good. Yeah, freakings thought, hey, 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:11.240 this should apply to us too, right, Well, that's what 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:13.240 they use and I think they I think they use 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:16.040 it to a great success. Although there are a lot 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:20.440 of laws UM like local, state, regional, municipal laws that 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:26.440 UM are anti scavenging laws, basically because most people think 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:30.560 of people who go dumpster diving is strictly UM hobos 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:34.840 who you don't necessarily want around. I'm not sure that 0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:37.199 there's plenty of cities out there, you know, well, a 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:40.400 lot of stores, grocery stores and the like will lock 0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:42.840 up and cage up their dumpsters to discourage this kind 0:18:42.840 --> 0:18:46.800 of thing. Some will put sharks in their dumpsters. Yeah, 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:50.919 land sharks very dangerous if you come across one of those. Uh. 0:18:51.480 --> 0:18:52.919 The deal is they think that they can get a 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:57.159 lawsuit if someone dumpster dives on your property get some 0:18:57.200 --> 0:19:01.480 food and get sick by it. And and um, that's 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:03.520 not exactly true though, is it. Didn't the us D 0:19:03.680 --> 0:19:05.960 have a ruling on that. Uh No, the U s 0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:09.440 c A encouraged this. It's called the um Bill Emerson 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:12.480 Good Samaritan Act. And I could just barely find who 0:19:12.520 --> 0:19:17.240 he was. He was a uh A congressman who encourage 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:20.119 this act died before it could get passed. When they 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:22.359 passed that, they named it after him. But basically it said, 0:19:22.720 --> 0:19:25.720 if you are a good person and you are giving 0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:29.160 away food, you're picking up food, you have any anything 0:19:29.240 --> 0:19:32.760 to do in the chain of taking food, rescuing it 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:36.160 from the landfill to feed the poor, and you are 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:40.280 not purposefully poisoning the poor um or doing it for 0:19:40.320 --> 0:19:42.800 your own benefit, and someone gets harmed, you can't be 0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:45.639 held liable for anything that happens. We're gonna protect you, 0:19:46.520 --> 0:19:49.600 but that that prevents that. The whole point was to 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:52.960 encourage people like you, like you said, grocery stores and um, 0:19:53.400 --> 0:19:56.399 other groups to donate their leftover food rather than just 0:19:56.480 --> 0:19:58.080 let it go to way and a lot of people, 0:19:58.080 --> 0:19:59.760 a lot of places do that. We're not saying everyone 0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:02.000 just hatches their food. A lot of restaurants donate their food. 0:20:02.760 --> 0:20:07.040 It's great. Yeah, Um, speaking of food, though I did 0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:10.080 mention bruised fruit. A lot of times you're just crushed 0:20:10.080 --> 0:20:14.720 packaging boxes. Sometimes the cell by date is cruised on 0:20:14.840 --> 0:20:18.280 by and that doesn't necessarily mean that it's rotten. No, 0:20:18.680 --> 0:20:22.320 the FEDS don't have any kind of mandatory dating low 0:20:22.359 --> 0:20:25.240 except for baby formula and baby food, and cell by 0:20:25.359 --> 0:20:28.159 date is all voluntary. The used by date is the 0:20:28.200 --> 0:20:32.160 one you want to stick to. That's actually kind of rare. 0:20:32.280 --> 0:20:35.920 The cell by date is just saying it's past it's prime, 0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:37.919 but it's still got tons of life in it. Like, 0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:41.879 for example, if you can keep eggs at forty degrees 0:20:41.880 --> 0:20:45.840 fahrenheight just you know standard for a refrigerator. Um, the 0:20:46.040 --> 0:20:48.280 last for three to five weeks past the cell by date? 0:20:48.280 --> 0:20:50.600 Did you know that? And if you talk to my Mom, 0:20:50.640 --> 0:20:52.520 you can drink milk for up to two months after 0:20:52.560 --> 0:20:54.720 the date. I don't know about that one. The U. 0:20:54.840 --> 0:20:57.720 S c A Does say, though, that factory sealed bacon, 0:20:58.160 --> 0:21:00.199 not fresh bacon, but stuff that was in the in 0:21:00.200 --> 0:21:02.800 the factory that came last two weeks beyond its sell 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:06.280 by date. And you mentioned New York being the center 0:21:06.720 --> 0:21:11.400 of freakingism, Well, it stays fairly cold New York throughout 0:21:11.440 --> 0:21:15.119 the year, right, which prevents bacteria from being from growing 0:21:15.119 --> 0:21:17.840 because bacteria throws between forty and a hundred and forty 0:21:17.880 --> 0:21:21.480 degrees fahrenh height. So I imagine that you're safest in 0:21:21.560 --> 0:21:24.680 below forty degree Weather's good point, you know what I say? 0:21:24.840 --> 0:21:28.239 What the nose? Nose? Yeah, I don't even look at 0:21:28.240 --> 0:21:31.240 the dates. I give it a good sniff. That'll tell 0:21:31.280 --> 0:21:32.960 me all I need to know about whether it's gonna 0:21:32.960 --> 0:21:35.400 go in my body. Yeah. I usually don't have time 0:21:35.440 --> 0:21:39.880 to sniff. I'm too hungry wolfing it down. And then 0:21:39.920 --> 0:21:44.119 if I'm still standing afterwards, so much the better. Uh. 0:21:44.240 --> 0:21:46.760 So that is urban foraging. Um. We should also point 0:21:46.760 --> 0:21:50.600 out to that sometimes stores uh actually bag discarded food 0:21:50.680 --> 0:21:53.120 separately from the other trash, so it's not like you're 0:21:53.119 --> 0:21:56.480 picking an Eclaire off of a lot of toilet paper 0:21:56.880 --> 0:21:59.800 and saying, oh, this looks fine. Uh. And then there's 0:21:59.800 --> 0:22:02.000 why all foraging. If you live near the forest and 0:22:02.040 --> 0:22:06.560 you're freaking you can collect plants. Uh. The website freaking 0:22:06.600 --> 0:22:09.359 dot info will actually tell you how to do this, 0:22:09.440 --> 0:22:12.359 tell you what's safe to eat. Um. Sometimes they practice 0:22:12.400 --> 0:22:15.080 guerrilla gardening. They'll go find a little unused plot of land. 0:22:15.119 --> 0:22:17.280 We've talked about this. Have you noticed that, like in 0:22:17.280 --> 0:22:21.240 the last couple of podcasts we've recorded, like five other 0:22:21.320 --> 0:22:24.040 podcasts have been touched on. You know, this means we're 0:22:24.119 --> 0:22:26.280 we're growing a body of work. Well, our quest to 0:22:26.840 --> 0:22:30.480 explain the world. It's all coming together. Oh it isn't it. Yeah, 0:22:30.480 --> 0:22:32.600 it's all tying. And at some point we're gonna say 0:22:33.600 --> 0:22:35.919 that's the last one. It'll be the time when we 0:22:36.040 --> 0:22:38.440 use the word is and realize we did a podcast 0:22:38.480 --> 0:22:41.560 on is. It depends on what your definition of is is. 0:22:41.800 --> 0:22:43.919 It's gonna be a long podcast, but we'll do it. 0:22:44.720 --> 0:22:46.280 A lot of them barter, like we said, they call 0:22:46.320 --> 0:22:49.080 it free sharing though, but what it is is bartering. 0:22:49.080 --> 0:22:52.240