1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray. 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to stuff you should know 3 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: from House toff works dot com. Hey, and welcome to 4 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Josh Clark with me as always as 5 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 1: Charles W. Chuck Bryant. We are the Koch Brothers and 6 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: we own you. How you doing good, sir? Top of 7 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: theod morning. I saw you give me a tip of 8 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: the hat and everything off the old cap. Wow, we're 9 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 1: suddenly like Will Ferrell and anchor man. You're a London 10 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: gentleman went in Rome. Uh, Chuck, I think before we 11 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 1: go any further, we should um plug our Kuba Team, 12 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: Big time awesome Cuba team. That's k I v A 13 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: dot Org slash team Slash stuff you should know. Nice. Yeah, 14 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 1: that's where you can find us. Yeah. Um we founded 15 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: that team in October two, right, brilliant idea. Yeah. Um. 16 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: By October two, last October, we'd already hit the quarter 17 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: of a million dollars in loans mark right, Um, we 18 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 1: are on track to hit half a million dollars in 19 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 1: loans made to entrepreneurs in developing countries. Um. By May 20 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: we just hit four hundred thousand. Our team did, and 21 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: we just wanted to let everybody know who's not a member, 22 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: the team is open. Just go on and make a loan. Uh, 23 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,119 Speaker 1: twenty five bucks is the lowest increment you can make. 24 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: But it's alone. This is not just an outright donation. 25 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: Because it's repaid. You can reloan again, or you can 26 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: take it and go on your merry way. But it's 27 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: pretty cool. It's a good feeling. Everybody on the Kiva 28 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: message board is a happy chipper person. And I don't 29 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: know that they are all the time, but I think 30 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: when they come to Kiva and hang out there for 31 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: a little while, they get happy. Feel better about yourself. 32 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: I know I do. But yes, halfs half million, it 33 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: was nice. It's crazy. Who knew? Well, that's Cuba. Also 34 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: we're on Facebook stuff you should know and Twitter, the Twitter, 35 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: s Y s K podcast. Yes, all right, let's go 36 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: to sleep. All right, let's get started. Huh, Chuck, did 37 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: you know that UM xerox and I think the twenty 38 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: one century, maybe a little before that, UM took out 39 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 1: ads in all sorts of publications. I saw it in 40 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 1: some sort of bar association UM magazine. I can't remember 41 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: which one. Um saying hey, Mr and Mrs Consumer or 42 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: Mr Mrs Lawyer, UM, don't use the word xerox, use 43 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: the word photocopy instead. Yeah, xerox is. It's like a 44 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: Kleenex or cute dip or as Britain was once a 45 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: brand name, Heroin once a brand name. UM. And the 46 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: reason that Xerox is so up in arms about this 47 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: is because if enough people's start using your term generically, 48 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:07,079 Speaker 1: especially as a verb like xerox ng or facebooking, you 49 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:12,079 Speaker 1: can lose your trademark status. It can become a part 50 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: of the vernacular. And it has happened to to some 51 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: other um, some other brands before. Evidently Alan Wrench Um, 52 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: like I said, Aspirin, Escalator Um, the Jungle Gym, Tarmac, 53 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: Yo Yo, Zipper, all of these were once brand named 54 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: shattering my everything, the illusion of everything I know, But 55 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: isn't that weird? And then there's a there's a whole 56 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: this is pretty cool. There's a whole list of stuff 57 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: that's um become. It's in that's in danger, it's in 58 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: that realm where xerox is right now, where it's very 59 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: commonly used. But these people still managed to keep their 60 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: their trademark Jaws of Life, Yeah, Neilla Wafers Yeah, ban 61 00:03:56,440 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: Pong Yeah, is table tennis Yeah, and um, let's see uh, 62 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: Skivvy's is underwear. Crock pot Rolodex is technically supposed to 63 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: be called a rotary card file. We should just read 64 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: each one of these with a question mark at the end. 65 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: After everyone for Mica, go card, and my voice will 66 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: go higher and higher until you can't even hear any 67 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: more untill only dogs start howling. Jack. This is one 68 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: that I knew to. Realtor is a real estate agent 69 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: that is not any real real estate agent. A realtor 70 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 1: is a specific company's real estate agent, centuries any one 71 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: real tour oka. Um, but you have all of these uh, 72 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: all of these bands are all these brands band Aid, 73 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: by the way, that's why I said that. UM. Originally 74 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: their tune was I Am Stuck on band Aids because 75 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: band Aid stuck on me. They changed it to I 76 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,479 Speaker 1: Am Stuck on band Aid brand because band Aid stuck 77 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 1: on stuck in the brand because the adhesive. They don't 78 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 1: want to genericize their own name. There's one in this 79 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 1: list that I didn't see that should be and that 80 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 1: my friend is Dumpster. Did you know dumpster is a 81 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 1: trademark name. He told me, okay, well, the dumpster the 82 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 1: big trash bin usually on wheels um that can be 83 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 1: lifted by a garbage truck. That whole process was actually, 84 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: this whole process was originally called the Dempster dumpster, and 85 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: it was invented in by George Dempster, who was later 86 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: the mayor of Knoxville, Tennessee. And apparently up to that point, 87 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: if you were making something or you had a construction 88 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:35,919 Speaker 1: job going on, you just park a dump truck nearby, 89 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: and everybody would throw their waist in or take piles 90 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: and moving into the dump truck. It was somebody's job. 91 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 1: So Dempster was like, why don't we just create this receptacle, 92 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: receptacle that we can eventually, you know, start by hoisting 93 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: with the chain and just dump into the back of 94 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: the dump truck, or you know, will eventually create these 95 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: hydraulic arms that can go into the slots on the 96 00:05:56,680 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: side of this dumpster with a capital and that can 97 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: just lift itself up into the back. I bet you, 98 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: he said, I'll call it the Dempster, and his wife said, 99 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: you're not calling that thing the Dempster. I'm not being 100 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: associated with trash and how about dumpster and she was 101 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: like genius copyright at trade market pour me and Martini. 102 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: So and I've always noticed have you ever noticed it 103 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: seems like a lot of waste management UM companies, especially 104 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: locally owned ones, tend to have a person's first and 105 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 1: last name, like Jackie Curtis Porta potties. Have you ever 106 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 1: look around, You'll start to see it's really weird. Interesting, 107 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,799 Speaker 1: It's a lot of pride um. But Chuck, the point 108 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: is the whole reason I say this is because um, 109 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: we had to fatten up freegans. Anytime we use the 110 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: word dumpster, we're using it with a capital D. I 111 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 1: just want to say, so we don't have to say 112 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: t M every time. The dumpsters with a capital D 113 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: every time we use it, and we're gonna use it 114 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: a lot because we are talking about freegans who are, 115 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: in other words, dumpster divers. Yes, Josh, the word freagan 116 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,359 Speaker 1: is a combination with word free and vegan. Doesn't necessarily 117 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: mean they're vegan. I think they just thought I had 118 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: a nice ring. Probably, I'm sure a lot of them 119 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: were vegans when they started. Yeah, of course there's a 120 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: lot of overlap or maybe the guy was named Frogan 121 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: who started the movement. That's not true. No, actually his 122 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: name is Keith McHenry. Okay, Well, freagans, Josh, are I know? 123 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: You know this are people who are it's also called 124 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: post consumerism or reclaimism. They are anti consumerism. They say, 125 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: we don't like this whole cycle of working and spending 126 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: and buying and wasting and trashing and then buying it again. 127 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: And we are going to try and reclaim and scavenge. 128 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: We're gonna try and not buy things. We're gonna try 129 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: and not work, maybe just volunteer were we don't want 130 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: to pay rent. We're gonna squat when we can. And uh, 131 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 1: that's what we are. We're freagans. In a very big 132 00:07:56,200 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: distinction between freagans and um tramps, hobo the homeless is 133 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: that freakings are doing this by choice um and if 134 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: they don't actually have the money to buy food, they 135 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: usually have the skills or education to um to go 136 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: out and make the money needed to buy food. This 137 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: is all very much a lifestyle choice, and it is 138 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: also their very presence, Their very existence is a thumb 139 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: in the nose to the consumer economy that America has 140 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 1: which is in many ways very wasteful. One right, Uh, 141 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: stat time, I guess in the United States of America, 142 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: Josh wastes billion pounds of food each year. That if 143 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: you go by the stat that we waste a quarter 144 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: of our food, it's between a quarter and a half. 145 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 1: I've seen a half. So it's entirely possible that a 146 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: hundred and nineties six billion pounds of food are wasted 147 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 1: every year. And we'll get in two more specifics on 148 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: what kind of food is being thrown out, But a 149 00:08:56,400 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: lot of times it's not oh, this big box of uh, 150 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: completely rotted apples. It's uh, these apples are pretty bruised. Uh, 151 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: this container is mashed, So we're gonna throw this stuff 152 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 1: out exactly. Um, And I guess it's not just food. 153 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: You know, food makes a lot of sense. We need 154 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 1: food to live, work, play, freaking eyes, do whatever. Everybody 155 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:25,079 Speaker 1: needs food. But food has a lot of other inputs 156 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: wrapped up into it. Right, Like I think we talked 157 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: before about virtual water, like the movement of crops from 158 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: a place that has an abundance of water and can 159 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: grow these crops to a place that doesn't have it 160 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: is technically the movement of water needed to grow those crops. 161 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 1: You're just moving the crops, so there's a loss of 162 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 1: water when that's thrown away. There's a loss of energy 163 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 1: to produce and transport these things. Um, there's just all 164 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 1: of these losses represented by just throwing away of food, 165 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 1: and Freakings are like, okay, two things. Number one, I'm 166 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: gonna eat that food for free, because I'm not grossed 167 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: out by jumping jumping in your dumpster and technically it's 168 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: perfectly fine food. And number two, I'm also gonna do 169 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: it to make you feel like a jerk for throwing 170 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: it out right. Yeah, critics will fire right back at freakings. 171 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well you're putting gas in your car and 172 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 1: you're using electricity to cook that food, so you're on 173 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 1: the grid, So you're a big hypocrite freaking say oh yeah, 174 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: well every little bit counts, jerk. Everybody's calling one another jerk, yeah, 175 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: pointing fingers. It just goes downhill from there, throwing food 176 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: at each other. Well, I do take issue with with 177 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: that a little bit, like I I do. It's true 178 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,719 Speaker 1: every little bit counts, um, And obviously you do need 179 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 1: electricity or heat or something to to live, to freaking 180 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: another day. Um. The thing that gets me is the 181 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: idea that, um, you should hitchhike um or hot box 182 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: cars or whatever, because that way, in that sense, you're 183 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: just freeloading on somebody else who's using that gas and 184 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: you're still using it too, You're just freeloading it. That's 185 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: the one that I do have an issue with is hitchhiking. Yeah, 186 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,319 Speaker 1: because I guess so they would fire back. Hey, dude, 187 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: that train is going from here to Topeka. I can 188 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: totally understand the train. And technically, if somebody, if you 189 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: only catch a ride with somebody in a distance or 190 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: for in the to the place that they're going anyway, 191 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: isn't that what hitchucking is? People out of their way here? Yeah? 192 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: And plus where do you give them the person in return? 193 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,959 Speaker 1: I can understand the train. It's a company and yeah, 194 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: well yeah, yeah, so uh freaking figure. We should point 195 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,959 Speaker 1: out that freegans there's not an official organization. Uh, there 196 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 1: is a website freaking uh f R E E g 197 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: A and dot info and that's very robust and up 198 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 1: and running. Yeah, that's that's kind of the central home 199 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:46,719 Speaker 1: where you can learn how to forage urban forage. Uh, 200 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: They also forage in the woods. We'll talk about that 201 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: in a minute. They have classes, they talk about scavenging sites, like, hey, dude, 202 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: the dumpster on the street is loaded with baked goods 203 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: this morning. Get over there and it gets the other 204 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 1: And I want to say, also, I have nothing against 205 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:07,199 Speaker 1: freakan is um um, it's just freeloading drives me crazy. 206 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: But for the most part, freakans don't you know hippie 207 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: rob Yeah, yeah, heeries again. But if for the most 208 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: part freakans um don't freeload. And there they they squat, 209 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: but they squat in abandoned buildings. It's not being used anymore. 210 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 1: They they eat free food, but it's food that other 211 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: people throughout. Um. But the I think the key here 212 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:33,079 Speaker 1: that really differentiates freagans from other people who eat out dumpsters, 213 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 1: aside from being able to buy food, is that they 214 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: actually do work or they do activities. They're just not 215 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 1: doing it for money. So for example, they volunteer, right, 216 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: because how much money do you need if you eat 217 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: out of a dumpster on purpose and you don't have 218 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: any you know, house payment or anything. So you have 219 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: all this extra free time aside from foraging and um 220 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: most of them tend to volunteer or um work on 221 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: activist causes. Like there's a freaking colony um in old 222 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:08,079 Speaker 1: growth forests around North America where basically they just built 223 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,959 Speaker 1: tree houses in these huge old trees and said now 224 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 1: you can't cut them down. It's called the resistance community, right, yeah, 225 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: which is pretty cool. It's a cool thing to do 226 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:20,199 Speaker 1: with your time. So let's talk for a second about freaking's. 227 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: The key to their philosophy to me is they think 228 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: that consumerism is bad because it destroys the environment through 229 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: things like deforestation, factory farming, labor practices that stink, and 230 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: it's all profits centered. So they think, uh, you know, 231 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: that's implicit approval. If you're working, yeah, living in what 232 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 1: most people get, still in a normal life, working and buying, 233 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 1: you're saying that all this, all this is okay with 234 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 1: you because you're taking part in it. We don't want 235 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,199 Speaker 1: any part of it. So we're gonna do our thing. 236 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: We're gonna not upgrade our iPhone. We probably wouldn't get 237 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: an iPhone. We have an old flip phone, or maybe 238 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,319 Speaker 1: we don't even have a phone like that. We have 239 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: cans on the strength. I'm not gonna update my fashion 240 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 1: because the sweat her is perfectly nice. Just because Bill 241 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: Cosby might have worn it in it's still a great sweater. 242 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: Your mom liked it, and fashion is like, how important 243 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: is that really is there? You know their philosophy. Um, 244 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 1: we're gonna repair things that we have to. That's that's 245 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: that's another big point with volunteering and and um donating 246 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: time and all that. Um. Like, if you can do 247 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: something like repair somebody's camp stove, that's a valuable activity, right, 248 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: and uh, in the end, Josh, what they end up 249 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: with is a lifestyle that is very much not financially 250 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: dependent on things like, uh, some stinky job that you 251 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 1: have to do that you hate doing, so that frees 252 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: them up. They're like, Hey, I need a couple hundred 253 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: bucks a month to live, so I'm gonna make that 254 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: by doing some odd jobs. And then I'm gonna volunteer 255 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: and give back, right, And also you can you can 256 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: get back when you give and you volunteer through things 257 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: like time banks. There's a website um called TimeBank dot 258 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: org that I found on the freaking website and basically 259 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: it's like, um, let's say that I know how to 260 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: repair your bike, and you know how to um teach 261 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: people how to play the guitar. So I'll go, you know, 262 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: repair your bike, and and you teach me how to 263 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: play the guitar um and it's equitable. We don't remember 264 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 1: in the bartering podcast that doesn't always happen. You sometimes 265 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: have to engage in multilateral barters all that kind of thing. 266 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: Time banks get around that by saying like, Okay, well 267 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: you went and volunteered at the animal shelter for a 268 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: couple of hours, you earned two time dollars that you 269 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: can turn around and use for anything, you know, from 270 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: a member of this time bank. So that's pretty cool too, 271 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: although again it's pretty much impossible to get away from 272 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: currency in one form or fashion. Huh Yeah, I mean 273 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: most freegans have a very limited uh budget to endorse 274 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: your lifestyle. They're they're probably not completely free, although there 275 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: there might be some that don't use money at all, 276 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: but most of them like limited as much as possible. 277 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: So where's this going on, Josh? It's going on all 278 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: over the world. But if I was a freaking I 279 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: would move to New York City, New York City, New 280 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: York City. Yeah, because New York city has got a 281 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: lot of rich folks. That means there's gonna be a 282 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: lot of great trash. I know, what do you Allen's trash? Yeah, 283 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: and in trash Day in New York, imagine it's a 284 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: field day and the night before trash night, which is 285 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 1: called um. It's pretty bad. You know. The worst in 286 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: New York is in the summertime and it's hot and 287 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: it's rainy, and it's trash day and the sidewalks are 288 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: just full of garbage or in the middle of a 289 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: garbage strike. I mean, hats off to whoever makes that 290 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: city run. They're doing a good job, I think Michael Bloomberg, 291 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, it's off to you, then, sir, h 292 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: They forage in New York for things like furniture, bags 293 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: of clothes, electronics, Like they'll camp out behind an office 294 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: that's moving. M All of what you just said is 295 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: called urban foraging, right. It all fall falls under that umbrella, 296 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 1: which is just like foraging, except rather than looking for 297 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 1: um routes to drink water from, you're getting office chairs 298 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 1: for your squad or water. Yeah, that's another thing you 299 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:22,640 Speaker 1: want to But the point is is the the um 300 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 1: the city is the forest with everything you need and 301 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 1: then some if you know where to look and you 302 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: can hold your nose. It depends. So you know, every 303 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: everyone who's ever once a bad kid knows that the 304 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: cops can go through your trash once it comes out 305 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: to the curb. So there is actually a Supreme Court 306 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: case UM from California v. Greenwood, wherein the the Supreme 307 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 1: Court ruled that cops could once you put your trash 308 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 1: out it was public property. You expected someone else to 309 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: come along and take it eventually. And that means that 310 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: anybody wants you can go to your trash, including cops 311 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: looking for evidence that you're a drug dealer, or freakans 312 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: looking for bananas that still look pretty good. Yeah, freakings thought, hey, 313 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 1: this should apply to us too, right, Well, that's what 314 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: they use and I think they I think they use 315 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: it to a great success. Although there are a lot 316 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 1: of laws UM like local, state, regional, municipal laws that 317 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 1: UM are anti scavenging laws, basically because most people think 318 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: of people who go dumpster diving is strictly UM hobos 319 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: who you don't necessarily want around. I'm not sure that 320 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:37,199 Speaker 1: there's plenty of cities out there, you know, well, a 321 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,400 Speaker 1: lot of stores, grocery stores and the like will lock 322 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: up and cage up their dumpsters to discourage this kind 323 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 1: of thing. Some will put sharks in their dumpsters. Yeah, 324 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 1: land sharks very dangerous if you come across one of those. Uh. 325 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 1: The deal is they think that they can get a 326 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 1: lawsuit if someone dumpster dives on your property get some 327 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: food and get sick by it. And and um, that's 328 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: not exactly true though, is it. Didn't the us D 329 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 1: have a ruling on that. Uh No, the U s 330 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 1: c A encouraged this. It's called the um Bill Emerson 331 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: Good Samaritan Act. And I could just barely find who 332 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 1: he was. He was a uh A congressman who encourage 333 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 1: this act died before it could get passed. When they 334 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 1: passed that, they named it after him. But basically it said, 335 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 1: if you are a good person and you are giving 336 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 1: away food, you're picking up food, you have any anything 337 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: to do in the chain of taking food, rescuing it 338 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 1: from the landfill to feed the poor, and you are 339 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: not purposefully poisoning the poor um or doing it for 340 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: your own benefit, and someone gets harmed, you can't be 341 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 1: held liable for anything that happens. We're gonna protect you, 342 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: but that that prevents that. The whole point was to 343 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 1: encourage people like you, like you said, grocery stores and um, 344 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 1: other groups to donate their leftover food rather than just 345 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: let it go to way and a lot of people, 346 00:19:58,080 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: a lot of places do that. We're not saying everyone 347 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: just hatches their food. A lot of restaurants donate their food. 348 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: It's great. Yeah, Um, speaking of food, though I did 349 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: mention bruised fruit. A lot of times you're just crushed 350 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 1: packaging boxes. Sometimes the cell by date is cruised on 351 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: by and that doesn't necessarily mean that it's rotten. No, 352 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: the FEDS don't have any kind of mandatory dating low 353 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: except for baby formula and baby food, and cell by 354 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,159 Speaker 1: date is all voluntary. The used by date is the 355 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 1: one you want to stick to. That's actually kind of rare. 356 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,920 Speaker 1: The cell by date is just saying it's past it's prime, 357 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:37,919 Speaker 1: but it's still got tons of life in it. Like, 358 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 1: for example, if you can keep eggs at forty degrees 359 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 1: fahrenheight just you know standard for a refrigerator. Um, the 360 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: last for three to five weeks past the cell by date? 361 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: Did you know that? And if you talk to my Mom, 362 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: you can drink milk for up to two months after 363 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: the date. I don't know about that one. The U. 364 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: S c A Does say, though, that factory sealed bacon, 365 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:00,199 Speaker 1: not fresh bacon, but stuff that was in the in 366 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: the factory that came last two weeks beyond its sell 367 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: by date. And you mentioned New York being the center 368 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:11,400 Speaker 1: of freakingism, Well, it stays fairly cold New York throughout 369 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 1: the year, right, which prevents bacteria from being from growing 370 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: because bacteria throws between forty and a hundred and forty 371 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: degrees fahrenh height. So I imagine that you're safest in 372 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 1: below forty degree Weather's good point, you know what I say? 373 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:28,239 Speaker 1: What the nose? Nose? Yeah, I don't even look at 374 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 1: the dates. I give it a good sniff. That'll tell 375 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 1: me all I need to know about whether it's gonna 376 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,400 Speaker 1: go in my body. Yeah. I usually don't have time 377 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:39,880 Speaker 1: to sniff. I'm too hungry wolfing it down. And then 378 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 1: if I'm still standing afterwards, so much the better. Uh. 379 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: So that is urban foraging. Um. We should also point 380 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: out to that sometimes stores uh actually bag discarded food 381 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,120 Speaker 1: separately from the other trash, so it's not like you're 382 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: picking an Eclaire off of a lot of toilet paper 383 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: and saying, oh, this looks fine. Uh. And then there's 384 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: why all foraging. If you live near the forest and 385 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: you're freaking you can collect plants. Uh. The website freaking 386 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 1: dot info will actually tell you how to do this, 387 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 1: tell you what's safe to eat. Um. Sometimes they practice 388 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: guerrilla gardening. They'll go find a little unused plot of land. 389 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: We've talked about this. Have you noticed that, like in 390 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 1: the last couple of podcasts we've recorded, like five other 391 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: podcasts have been touched on. You know, this means we're 392 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: we're growing a body of work. Well, our quest to 393 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 1: explain the world. It's all coming together. Oh it isn't it. Yeah, 394 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: it's all tying. And at some point we're gonna say 395 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:35,919 Speaker 1: that's the last one. It'll be the time when we 396 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 1: use the word is and realize we did a podcast 397 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: on is. It depends on what your definition of is is. 398 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,919 Speaker 1: It's gonna be a long podcast, but we'll do it. 399 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 1: A lot of them barter, like we said, they call 400 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: it free sharing though, but what it is is bartering. 401 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: They'll have a little market, freaking marketplace that's set up 402 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,360 Speaker 1: like every Saturday morning in this this part of New York, 403 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: will all go meet and hey, I see you've got 404 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: a a laptop that you fixed. I've always wanted a 405 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: toaster oven. Let's make a deal throwing some rotten eggs 406 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 1: and we're all good. Just sell buy man. What about healthcare, 407 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: that's a big one, And I looked all over the 408 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 1: freaking info site for this. Um. Basically, they don't have 409 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 1: healthcare licked yet. Um. They've got it close though. There 410 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 1: are healthcare collectives which have been successful here there say 411 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: if you get enough people, you can get it down 412 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: to about a hundred bucks a year per person, and 413 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 1: those go to fun free clinics relies heavily on volunteers. Um. 414 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 1: But the state operates all sorts of free clinics as well. UM, 415 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: which I imagine if you just go in and say 416 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: I dumpster dive every day, they'll be like, we'll take 417 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: care of you. Um. So that one is not kind 418 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,360 Speaker 1: of licked because you can also make the you can 419 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 1: make the case that well, that's freeloading again, and that 420 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: completely undermines everything that freagans are about reloading, because it's 421 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: not waste. Health health care is not wasteful. The um 422 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: hours of a volunteering doctor or are in or not wasted. 423 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: Of course not somebody would use those right well, but 424 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 1: a lot of times they are avoiding the healthcare because 425 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 1: of we don't want to support the pharmaceutical industry. We 426 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 1: don't want to support these h ms. Have a feeling 427 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 1: if it was the you know doctor down the street 428 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 1: from with the white picket fence that gives you a 429 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: coke and tells you to everything will be better, they 430 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 1: might be a little more apt to support something like 431 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 1: the health care syst right, And that I saw that 432 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,239 Speaker 1: stated somewhere that they were saying, like if you just 433 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 1: cut out the profits, that it's much cheaper than we think. Interesting, 434 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 1: So Josh, this food recovery is um what they're into 435 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: as a freaking But that's not a new thing because 436 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 1: we have a long history in this country and other 437 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: places as far back as biblical days of gleaning. And 438 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: that's when you have a crop. You especially nowadays with 439 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: the big mechanic systems, they'll leave behind a lot of 440 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: waste that they're not gonna go back and pick it 441 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 1: all up, so they'll allow people, um, and they did 442 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: this some biblical days after they've reaped the harvest. So 443 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 1: if you're poor, you can come into the field after 444 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,640 Speaker 1: us and pick up what we've left behind. Yes, it's 445 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: called gleaning, not gleaning the cube. You no gleaning. Gleaning UM. 446 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: There's a group called the Society of St Andrew And 447 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: there's a lot of gleaning organizations, but UM. One of 448 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,880 Speaker 1: the more famous ones is a Society of St Andrew 449 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,639 Speaker 1: UM where basically they just have a central hub and 450 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: they say volunteers go pick up you know, discarded food 451 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:38,880 Speaker 1: anywhere you can and bring it here and then we'll 452 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 1: distribute it. Right, a simple model, but it works very well. 453 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 1: They And if you are a freaking I would imagine 454 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: you get some sort of halo for volunteering at the 455 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: Society of St Andrew. Yeah, you're the ultimate circle is 456 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: completely you have a good, nice spot in freaking heaven 457 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 1: if you do that. The whole idea, the anti consumer 458 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: culture idea that forms freaking is um apparently finds its 459 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: roots back in the sixteen forties in England and Chuck 460 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: there's a guy named Gerard wind Stanley who lost his 461 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: shirt in business, moved to the countryside and founded a 462 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 1: colony that he called the Diggers, and the Diggers basically 463 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,879 Speaker 1: lived without money for as long as they could, not 464 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,959 Speaker 1: that long. But UM, when Stanley and the Diggers inspired 465 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 1: the sixties counterculture diggers who UM created their own kind 466 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 1: of utopian colony or movement, and they inspired Keith McHenry, 467 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: who is basically thought of as the father of freakani 468 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 1: is um, which popped up in the early twenty one 469 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 1: century as far as you know, and now he lives 470 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 1: a lush, rich life collecting on that word freaking. And 471 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: then food he's a fat cat, right. And then Food 472 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: not Bombs is another good, good example of UM. The 473 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: free in movement incarnate right, which is basically like they're 474 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 1: a gleaner society and then they go feed the homeless, 475 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 1: feed the poor, feed freagans UM. And one of my friends, Justin, 476 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:16,640 Speaker 1: who's living on tour for a while UM out in California. 477 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 1: He told me they used to call him soup not 478 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 1: food instead of food not bombs. I was like, that's 479 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,880 Speaker 1: kind of jerky, don't you think? And he said yes. 480 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 1: And as a sister a sister group to Food not 481 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,919 Speaker 1: bombs as homes not jails, which is pretty self explanatory. 482 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,160 Speaker 1: That's it. Uh, well, let me give you a quick example. 483 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 1: If you're wondering and thinking these people are really weird, 484 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,880 Speaker 1: let me tell you about Daniel Zeta. He's an American 485 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 1: who moved to Tasmania. But you might think it is 486 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: weird in and of itself, not necessarily. About a decade ago, 487 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:55,880 Speaker 1: he's thirty five, and he gradually became a freagan as 488 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: he became a little more conscious of the world around him, 489 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: the environment, it wanting to help out the environment. He 490 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 1: had a great job, government job. It's pretty good money 491 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 1: from what I understand. Uh, And he eventually quit the job, 492 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,920 Speaker 1: and now he is a freaking pretty much full time. 493 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 1: He doesn't dumpster dive though. He works for a food market. 494 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: Basically trades his work for food. Whatever they're gonna discard 495 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: he'll take. He travels around the state. He builds environment 496 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:29,479 Speaker 1: environmentally friendly houses in return for lodging, and then in 497 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: his off hours he services the community. So he says 498 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,159 Speaker 1: he needs about two hundred bucks a month to live. 499 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 1: And for a while he lived on a boat that 500 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: had solar panels, and the whole bed of the boat 501 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: was a garden, a vegetable garden, and he bought you know, 502 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 1: sandals off the Internet that were returned because the dude 503 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: didn't like him. He got his computer from his friend 504 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: who was throwing it out because the hard drive was busted, 505 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: replaced a hard drive. He's been using it for like 506 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 1: five years. And uh, that's just one story. He's not 507 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 1: some Weirdoh, he's not a freeloader. He's not some crazed 508 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 1: hippie hobo freak. He's just a guy that was like, 509 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 1: you know that, I'm kind of tired of buying into 510 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 1: this whole system. So this is my life now. Chumps, 511 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: if you ever me to freaking assume they think you're 512 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: a chump. How they do chuck. If anybody wants to 513 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: learn more about freakings, they can check out f R 514 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: E G A N in the handy search bar, how 515 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: stuff works dot com. And if this picked your interest, 516 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: you should check out our another podcast of ours on 517 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 1: how much money do I really need to live? Remember 518 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: that one that was good? Uh, you can find both 519 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: of those on how stuff works? Right, And I said 520 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: handy search bar, So that handy failed search bar. I 521 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 1: failed in my attempt to find a replacement. It is 522 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 1: handy though. It's time for a listener ma'il okay, Josh, 523 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna call this zebra fish email of course, from Alex. 524 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: Dear Chuck and Josh and Jerry. I'm a research technician 525 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 1: in a neuroscience science lab studying sleep in circadian rhythms 526 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: with zebra fish. I first discovered your scintillating podcast several 527 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: months ago, and they had quickly become part of my 528 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 1: daily routine. Each morning when I come in to feed 529 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 1: the fish, I turned up the speaker's blasting the show, 530 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 1: and there are suddenly over ten thousand fans listening to 531 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: your podcasts in a fifteen by fifteen foot room. They 532 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: eagerly swim to the left sides of their tanks the 533 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 1: position of the speakers as soon as the podcast begins, 534 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: so the zebra fisher are reacting to the dulcet tones 535 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 1: of Thus, I consider myself apparent to these fish, and 536 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 1: that I feed them, clean their tanks, and educate them 537 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 1: through your podcasts. One of the first errors I made 538 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 1: as a parent was to make a false promise to 539 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 1: these fish that if they continue to work hard in 540 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 1: our experiments, which is administering cocaine to sleep deprived fish, 541 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: that's what he's studying. Chuck and Josh would acknowledge their 542 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 1: hard work on the podcast. Please help me out. Don't 543 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: let down my fish for a false promise I made 544 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 1: long ago. God speed. Keep your ear to the grindstone, Alex. 545 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 1: I wonder if that tiny room that they keep them 546 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 1: in is a bathroom. I don't know. And I wonder 547 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 1: if Alex is really a scientist. Yeah right, he's just 548 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 1: into getting fish high. Well we'll see. Well, Thank you, Alex. 549 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 1: Thank you two our ten thousands zebra fish fans. Hello fish, 550 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 1: You guys get some sleep. Okay they can't, they're dying 551 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 1: to or they're just dying. 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