WEBVTT - Selects: Is the Pied Piper About a Real Historic Tragedy? 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:04.400 Hey, everybody, it's your buddy Josh. And for this week's select, 0:00:04.559 --> 0:00:08.480 I've chosen our May two thousand and eighteen episode on 0:00:08.560 --> 0:00:12.000 the Pied Piper, one of those rare fairy tales that 0:00:12.200 --> 0:00:16.200 actually may be rooted in fact and history, and it's 0:00:16.239 --> 0:00:19.160 a good one. It's got a weird start for some reason. 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:21.799 I almost sound like I'm mad at Chuck, but rest 0:00:21.840 --> 0:00:25.120 assured I wasn't. We finally catch our feet a few 0:00:25.400 --> 0:00:28.400 minutes into it, and then the episode really takes off. 0:00:28.760 --> 0:00:30.960 So I hope it takes you on a wild thrill 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:33.839 ride like it did me listening to it again. And 0:00:33.920 --> 0:00:36.879 either way, just sit back and enjoy, as I know 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:44.600 you will. Our episode on the Pied Piper. Welcome to 0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:54.040 Stuff you Should Know, a production of I Heart Radio. Hey, 0:00:54.160 --> 0:00:56.960 welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, and there's Charles w. 0:00:57.120 --> 0:01:00.000 Hu Bryant, and there's Jerry over there. This is stuff 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:04.840 if you should know, fairy Tale edition. Jerry is supposedly 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:08.040 on vacation. Yeah, what's going on? But she came in 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:12.160 here just for us. Why Jerry? I think she feels beholden. 0:01:13.160 --> 0:01:16.000 That's nice, which is weird because she's we've had guest producers. 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:18.959 I don't know. Maybe she feels like her job is threatened. 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:23.440 Is today the day I die? Oh? Jeesus, hope Jerry 0:01:23.440 --> 0:01:25.160 knows it. Can't we at least get these two in 0:01:25.160 --> 0:01:28.960 the can first? Yeah? Well probably unless something really crazy 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:32.320 happens in the next hour and two. Yeah, that'll give 0:01:32.360 --> 0:01:34.360 me time to get in touch with like the five 0:01:34.400 --> 0:01:36.160 people I have on my list to replace you. Ye, 0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:44.319 I know the five Bono right Obama? Right, Michael Stipe, 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:47.800 Michael Stipe, Bobby Fisher. I think there was one more. 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:51.440 I can't remember, Bobby Fisher, the chess player. Yeah, that's 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:54.440 a little random. Well I want to correct that episode 0:01:54.560 --> 0:01:59.840 and Optimus Prime that's the fifth one, that's right. Yeah, uh, chucker. 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:05.440 Have you ever heard of fairy Tale before? Yeah? We uh, 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:08.680 we did two very good episodes. Oh, if you say 0:02:08.680 --> 0:02:11.680 so yourself, know these were good. I don't often say that, 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:14.720 but in November of two thousand and fifteen, we did 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:17.280 it back to backer with the dark origins of fairy 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:20.480 tales and how the Grimm's fairy Tales work or the 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:24.239 grand Brothers. We had fairy tale fever, we did, but man, 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:26.720 we licked it. So did you go back and listen 0:02:26.760 --> 0:02:28.799 to him and you're like, wow, these are good or 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:31.840 you just remember them being good. I remember them being good, okay, 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:34.720 and being especially kind of proud of those too. Really 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:38.880 that's fantastic. Yeah, that's how I feel about your limb 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:42.320 is torn off? Now what that was a good one. 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:45.280 It's a good title about reattachment surgery. Remember that. Yeah? 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:48.000 I think that that titles all you. That's a Josh 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:50.440 Clark title. You've got some good titles out there too. 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:54.160 What's the deal with blank? You know who's really good 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:59.079 at coming up with titles? Yeah? Where the streets have 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:03.840 no name? Right? Where the where the streets have no drums? 0:03:04.880 --> 0:03:07.760 For a dam dude, you just did it. So we're 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:11.760 talking about fairy tales today, specifically, specifically, we're talking about 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:15.040 the fairy tale of the Pie Piper of Hamlet, and 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:18.440 as far as fairy tales go, it seems to be 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:23.640 a little different than other fairy tales. And the reason 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:29.400 why it's a little different is because, horrifically, it's people 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:33.640 think scholars, not just you know, average truck right, like, 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:38.240 real deal scholars think that something actually happened that formed 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:43.680 the basis of this fairy tale. Right, Whereas with Hansel 0:03:43.760 --> 0:03:47.280 and Gretel it wasn't based on some witchy lady who 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:50.120 ate children. No, but that one might have had some 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:53.920 basis in fact too. How about like rumpel Stiltskin. Probably 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:56.960 not based in fact? Right? You remember the little guy 0:03:57.000 --> 0:03:59.760 who like you trick him into saying his own name, 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:02.400 A little guy with a big heart. I don't think 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:06.000 he had a big heart. He had an insatiable sexual appetite, 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:07.800 is what it was. Oh, the little girl with the 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:11.640 big heart was Bono? Right man, We're gonna get so 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:14.880 many emails from people being like, layoff Bono. What's what's 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:18.760 with the bono references? Who's Bono? They must work with 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:24.520 that Bono guy? I wish so, chuck Um the pie Piper. 0:04:24.680 --> 0:04:26.720 The reason why we say it might be based in 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:30.680 fact is because there's actual, like historic evidence that kind 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:33.159 of supports this thing. And you can find it in 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:36.159 this town of Hamlin, which is a real place. It's 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:39.040 not a made up like fairy tale land like you know, 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:43.200 ods your first clue. Yeah, most fairy tales are not 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:47.080 set in an actual place, right. I don't know, are 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:50.560 they know they're just made up? Or they're in a 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:55.360 very vague place, or they take place in a larger place, like, oh, 0:04:55.440 --> 0:04:58.440 in Germany one day, or in Bavaria one day, not 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:02.320 like in this town, right, that actually existed at the 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:04.640 time we're saying it did. Which is another thing too, 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:07.600 because if you look at the actual fairy tales, you'll 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:11.440 get to in a second, there's like a specific date. Yeah, 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:15.720 that also is very unusual. For so the more you 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:17.400 dig into it, the more you're like, yeah, this might 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:20.120 have actually happened. And then what you think, oh, this 0:05:20.200 --> 0:05:24.599 might have actually happened, then you're struck with some of 0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:29.920 the greatest dread human being can experience, because there's something 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:34.560 bad happened, is what happened? Let's talk about it, all right? Well, 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:38.120 let's get into the original fairy tale, the Grimm's Brothers 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:43.039 Tale of the Pipe Piper. It was not even Irish 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:48.560 and German. Um Jane McGrath, good old Jane from back 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:51.080 in the day, wrote this one, and she points out 0:05:51.080 --> 0:05:54.400 that it is a tale, a cautionary tale about governance 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:59.440 as well as taking responsibility for financial agreements. She's right, 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:01.560 but it put in that way, it seems a little funny, Yeah, 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:07.120 but it is twelve eighty four in Hamlin in Germany, 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:11.440 and there was a rat infestation in the town at 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:13.919 the time, and the mayor and this is the fairy 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:16.400 tale you're going over right, yeah, yeah, And so that 0:06:16.440 --> 0:06:18.840 the mayor of the town didn't know what to do. 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:24.200 The Burger meister, Oh yeah, maister Burger, the stranger comes 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:27.480 into town and war and I didn't know what pid 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:31.360 even meant. I didn't either. What is it? Multi colored? Yeah, 0:06:31.560 --> 0:06:35.640 he wore multi colored clothes, pied multi colored clothes. That's 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:38.599 all he was. He was a piper who were colorful clothing. 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:42.240 Had nothing to do with eating pies or I thought 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:44.960 walking on his feet, you know, you thought that's what 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:48.280 it meant. Yeah, why because I think, like a like 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:54.280 pedestrian comes from pied p Well, but I think it's 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:57.880 like maybe Italian or something that certainly makes more sense 0:06:57.880 --> 0:07:01.120 than me having no clue. Yeah, but I was way off, 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:05.839 so it doesn't matter. He did walk. That was the 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:09.000 other reason I thought that too. So his outfit looked 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:12.080 a little weird. Apparently multicolored people didn't dress like that, 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:15.600 I reckon. I saw though that it was also like, um, 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:20.080 like a splendid outfit that he gets attracted a lot 0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:22.600 of attention, and people were like, I wish I could, 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:25.320 I wish I had the cohones, dressed like you. Pie. 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:29.480 Piper dance around with a band. Uh and he had 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:32.960 a called it a musical pipe or some kind of flute, 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:37.040 not a smoking pipe. Heads no uh. And he hears 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:41.280 about this rat problem. He comes into town. He drags 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:44.160 his fingernails along the chalkboard and gets everyone attention. And 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:47.440 the down meeting says, I'll kill that shark. Oh, you 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:50.960 gotta do it, but no, no, no, I'll kill the rats. Yeah, 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:54.239 but in the voice I can't do quint well whatever, 0:07:54.360 --> 0:07:56.520 you can do anything. You're like the rich little of 0:07:56.560 --> 0:07:59.320 this this company. Jerry's laughing at us for no reason. 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:04.520 She so sick of this man. She's really tickled today, Jerry, 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:07.920 are you stoned? No, she's been smoking her own magical pipe. 0:08:08.640 --> 0:08:11.400 So they agree on a price to get rid of 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:15.040 the rats. Piper takes out his his little his little 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:17.760 hand flute. Yeah, yeah, I don't know if that's what 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:20.400 it's called. But the price is important. Can I go 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:23.480 into the price for a second. So he initially said 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:25.040 that he would get rid of the rats for a 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:29.240 thousand florins, which is either coins or money from Italy 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:32.679 or France or the Netherlands, but money a thousand a 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:35.520 lot of the time, thousand pieces of money. And this 0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:38.400 this town of Hamlin was so overrun by rats. Apparently 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:42.360 all their cats had died. Though yes they got they 0:08:42.400 --> 0:08:46.880 beat the cats, said, I didn't see explained what happened 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:48.600 to the cats, just that the cats died, and that's 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:51.240 why the town was overrun, okay, which is a weird 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:53.439 little thing, don't you think? Yeah, because my first thing 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:55.600 was like, why a pie piper just get some cats? 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:59.760 The cats had all died? All right, good thinking, chuck um. 0:08:59.800 --> 0:09:02.960 But they say a thousand florins, will give you fifty 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:04.920 thousand florins if you get rid of these rats. Our 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:08.280 problem is so bad, and he says done. But was 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:11.680 that a facetious offer? I think it was a desperate 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:15.840 a desperate boast. Okay. But the pipe piper I was like, 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:18.000 all right, I'll agree to your terms. I just wanted 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:20.439 a thousand, but fifty thousand it is. And they went, 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:23.800 I think we ever spent I regret saying that you 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:27.480 should hear the guy so he pulls out the instrument. 0:09:27.600 --> 0:09:31.199 He um starts playing. As the story goes, all the 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:35.120 rats congregate around him, and he leaps about and dances 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:41.080 through town into the Weser River, which the rats drowned, 0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:46.079 which is complete um fabrication, because rats are very good swimmers. 0:09:46.160 --> 0:09:48.040 They really are. I thought about that too. I even 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:50.719 looked it up. They're good swimmers. Not just rats you've 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:54.360 seen it's rats in general. Yeah. I mean the first thing, honestly, 0:09:54.360 --> 0:09:55.880 when I heard that, the first thing that made me 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:58.560 think that was like, wait a minute, first blood, he's 0:09:58.600 --> 0:10:01.760 in that a band in mind chat, Those rats are 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:03.800 swimming all over the place. Yeah, So I looked it up. 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:05.600 I was like, is that true? And apparently rats are 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:08.839 really good swimmers, better than others too. So this fairy 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:15.080 tale stinks of BS already. Okay, but the story goes 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:17.240 that the rats followed this guy in a trance to 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:19.400 the river, whereupon they drowned. Maybe they were in the 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:22.080 trance and that was why they couldn't swim, because they 0:10:22.080 --> 0:10:26.400 were just so lulled by his his hand flute, his 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:29.560 smooth jazz. Should you take a break there and finish 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:32.400 the story after? Oh it's quite a cliff banger, all right, 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:59.839 let's do that. Alright, Chuck, We're back to lay it 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:02.920 on them. Man. That was that was high class. Well, 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:06.239 they drown all the rats. The pie piper is successful. 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:09.520 Everyone parties German style, which is to say they probably 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:14.960 got hammered on eight eight ounce beers. Have you ever 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:17.520 been to Germany? You ever had the beers there? The 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:19.920 big Yeah? I mean they've got big old beers there 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:22.880 for sure. And they have lids on their their mugs too, 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:25.800 because you know, there's so much of it you can 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:27.640 just set it down, save it for later. But I 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:29.560 don't think they save it for later. The beer gardener 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:32.400 went two did not have the lids. Maybe I've just 0:11:32.440 --> 0:11:34.760 seen in those on TV. But what they did have 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:39.240 was a four and a half foot tall woman with 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:47.880 popeye sized foe arms carrying six of those giant like 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:50.320 like a pro, not like a bro. They were pros. 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:52.600 Well two, it's probably sold to the beer garden at 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:56.040 a young age and was raised to that. Please, that's 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:59.960 not the case, um, all right, So where are we 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:02.640 townspeople are partying? They're they're getting hammered, They're singing, They're 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:09.080 they're they're prosting, singing their German beer hall. Uh songs 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:14.439 as they are want to do and then dude says, uh, 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:18.400 what's up with that? All those florins? Yeah, he's like, everybody, 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:20.719 I'm really glad that you enjoyed my work, but now 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:23.520 it's time for me to go pay me. And did 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:25.720 they just stiff them or did they say, well, let's 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:29.480 go back to the thousand. Uh? They said, we're not 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:32.160 giving you fifty thou florins. What you We thought you 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:34.040 were going to get rid of these rests through hard work. 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:36.640 You just played some flute, Like that's cool that you 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:39.120 can do that with the flute, but that's not really work. 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:42.360 So no, we're not gonna pay you fifty thou florens. 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:45.120 He's like, well, in a thousand florins, at least that's 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:47.920 what I originally agreed to. And they're like, how about this, 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:50.800 We're gonna give you fifty and if you're not happy 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:54.080 with that, then you're getting nothing. And he was still 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:56.439 so mad that they're like, fine, nothing, get out of town, 0:12:56.840 --> 0:13:00.560 and he says, you will regret you know what that's like, 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:03.520 that's like highering the critter remover because you have a 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:06.680 raccoon in your attic. You agree to a price he 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:10.120 comes over and shoots the raccoon and says game over. 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:13.200 And you're like, wait a minute. I expected a little more, 0:13:13.679 --> 0:13:16.320 like like you were going to hypnotize him or or 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:19.880 coax him down from the roof with your smooth jazz. Right, 0:13:20.720 --> 0:13:23.320 not just shoot it. Anybody could shoot it. I thought 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:25.640 you're gonna like step on it or something. Yeah, like 0:13:25.640 --> 0:13:28.559 I would have shot it. Looking for a peaceful, less 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:31.199 solution right in place, I have a bullet hole in 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:32.920 my house. Now, have you ever had to call one 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:35.520 of those people a raccoon remover? Well, I'll just you 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:38.400 know those dudes, just like you know, I'll do snakes 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:42.320 and raccoons or whatever. I haven't either, but a lot 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:45.600 of my friends do that. I'm over one. I think 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:48.200 I mentioned with cockroaches right now, and it's just it's 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:51.560 getting bad still, Yeah, dude, because I don't know what 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:54.920 to do. Hire an exterminator. Yeah, but we're not into 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:57.440 the poison stuff. But I think it's like, we gotta 0:13:57.480 --> 0:14:00.760 do it. I think there's green exterminators that are not 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:03.760 quite as deadly. Jerry's nodding, But will they kill all 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:09.400 the cockroaches? Probably? You'll probably probably with their magic flute 0:14:10.360 --> 0:14:12.960 and I need to do something. It's gotten out of hand. Yeah, 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:16.120 you got to do something like I almost I'm gonna 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:20.080 tell you what happens, but I feel like people judge 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:22.640 me on how disgusting it is. We can always edit 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:25.160 it out later, all right, I'll go in and and 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:26.920 this is not like it's not like food is out. 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:29.560 I will clean the kitchen. I will go in there 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:31.840 to get a glass of water. At midnight, I'll turn 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:37.040 the light on and a dozen will scatter Jerry's gay Nope, 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:40.880 like I will just I will hear them going, sure, yeah, 0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:43.560 that's one of the creepiest things. And they you know, 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:45.800 as soon as they see that light, they're gone. And 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:47.720 it sounds like we live in filth. But it doesn't matter. 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:52.640 We're infested. They're just like, I don't know what to do. Yeah, well, um, 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:55.600 I think you may want to call an excreminator, but 0:14:55.800 --> 0:14:58.760 find one you live into cater I'm sure you'd be 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:01.800 hard pestifind an extreme nator that did use deadlye. You 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:03.280 throw a rock in the cator and you'll hit a 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:08.360 dust right, So I yes, I think it might be time. 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:13.120 All right, Sorry about getting sidetracks, So much. They offer him, 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:16.280 what fifty fifty not even not fifty thou or a 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:18.960 thousand fifty? And so what does he say? He says, 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:23.320 but he did that little everybody. You can't see me, 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:26.320 but you know where you flick the underside of your chain, 0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:29.400 that feel like that's Italian? Well, I mean this is Germany, 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:31.880 it's lower Saxon. It wasn't too far from Germ. No, 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:34.240 but is that Italian? I was just wondering, Yeah, it 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:39.320 feels like a very like Italian thing to do. Yeah, right, exactly. 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:41.560 You gotta say it like that, all right. So he 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:44.000 gives him that number and says, I'm going to come back. 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:46.480 Does he even warn them and say I'm gonna come 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:48.400 back and get your kids or I'm just gonna it 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:51.200 depends on It's all good, you'll see me again. It 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:54.560 depends on the story. Some say, yeah, he vowed vengeance. 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:56.440 Some say he came back a month later, Some say 0:15:56.440 --> 0:15:58.120 he came back a year later. Some say he just 0:15:58.160 --> 0:16:01.680 immediately started playing as flu Some say, and I think 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:05.200 the brothers grim version is that he waited until the 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:07.880 town went to sleep and then came through the town 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:10.800 and started playing again. All right, but this time he's 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:15.760 wearing hunter's clothing. Did not see that anywhere? Oh? Really 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:19.080 is that BS? Well? I don't think it's BS. I 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:21.240 think this story has just been added to so many 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:23.880 times over there. But yeah, I shouldn't have been to anything, 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:26.480 all right. So he comes back regardless of what he's wearing. 0:16:26.560 --> 0:16:29.160 Let's say he's buck naked, which makes it even more fun. Well, 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:31.920 you just added to the legend just there. He starts 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:35.880 playing this flute again, but this time the children are entranced. 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:40.480 He leads like a hundred and thirty kids supposedly, Yeah, 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:43.000 pay attention to a number. It seems a little specific, 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:45.360 doesn't it. It It does. He leads a hundred and thirty 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:48.520 children out of town up a mountain to a cave. 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:52.960 They supposedly enter and are never heard from again. Right, 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:57.040 And the mountain has a landslide and covers up the 0:16:57.520 --> 0:17:00.320 cave mouth. And supposedly it was a mad e gold 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:04.320 door that opened in the mountain that revealed the key. 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:08.840 They go in, doors closed, landslide, gone, never heard from again, 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:11.040 like you said, And the townspeople are like, there goes 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:14.840 are labor pool, you know, there goes my baby, There 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:17.720 goes are labor pool. Who's going to service at the 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:21.720 beer gardens, and supposedly there in one version at least 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:26.480 um there was the mayor's grown daughter was among that group, 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:29.520 and this feels like a specific jab at the mayor, 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:33.560 like even though your daughter's grown, I'm gonna in transfer 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:36.760 with my flute as well. Yeah. Well, I don't think 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:39.360 that was in the original Grim Brothers one either, but 0:17:39.359 --> 0:17:42.199 but two children survived, correct or they come back. I 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:45.280 think in the Grim Brothers version it's just one. Sometimes 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:48.200 it's up to three. But there there's in a lot 0:17:48.240 --> 0:17:52.399 of retellings there's a kid who either um is deaf 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:57.200 and so can't hear the magic flute, so it's not entranced. 0:17:57.480 --> 0:18:01.720 Um has some sort of physical disability and so that 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:03.840 he or she can't keep up with the rest of 0:18:03.880 --> 0:18:08.000 the kids and survives from that um or I think 0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:11.600 it is blind and can't see their way. Either way, 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:16.240 some kid who had some unique characteristic that kept them 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:21.800 from being um entranced or whatever. UH is like the 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:24.640 eyewitness that comes back and tells the parents what happened, 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:28.400 or in another version, is just a skeptic, a child skeptic. 0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:37.960 This can't be happening. Louis the child's skeptic um. That's funny. 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:41.400 So all right, so let's get into this. It may 0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:45.080 not to be fictions, as it turns out, because a 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:47.480 lot of historians and scholars have looked into this. You 0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:51.200 talked about the specificity being a little weird. One thing 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:53.439 we do know is that at one point there was 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:56.520 a stained glass window in the in the town church 0:18:57.359 --> 0:19:00.600 um that depicted and this was what around thirdeen hundreds 0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:04.120 is after it would have happened, but I mean sixteen 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:08.280 years in memory, living memory. It was when they first 0:19:08.280 --> 0:19:12.000 erected that window, which kind of makes sense as a memorial. Uh. 0:19:12.080 --> 0:19:14.720 And on that window it said on the day of 0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:18.520 John Paul, I'm sorry John and Paul one thirty children 0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:21.560 in Hamlin went to Calvary, were brought through all kinds 0:19:21.560 --> 0:19:26.680 of danger to the Copen Mountain and lost. Yeah. So 0:19:26.720 --> 0:19:30.960 the Calvary thing that I thought was another word for Heaven, 0:19:31.840 --> 0:19:35.080 isn't it. I'm gone, I'm going to Calvary in that 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:39.000 was like in that like the hill where was crucified. 0:19:40.960 --> 0:19:43.000 If I know this, surely you know I used to 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:46.439 know this. I know it looms large and in Christianity, 0:19:46.440 --> 0:19:48.879 but I can't remember exactly. I think it's like shorthand 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:52.320 for I'm going to meet my Maker. I saw elsewhere 0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:56.720 that they referred to the mountain as cavalry. Yeah. They 0:19:56.760 --> 0:19:59.320 also referred to the area that the children went to 0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:03.520 Calvary as the execution place. I never saw any explanation 0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:06.120 of that. And then the copp And Mountain. I don't 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:09.520 understand why that would be also named Calvary, and they 0:20:09.520 --> 0:20:12.320 would mention at the same place twice with two different names. 0:20:12.359 --> 0:20:14.719 So it's a bit of a mystery. But the point is, 0:20:15.119 --> 0:20:19.800 about fifteen sixteen years after this event supposedly happened, or 0:20:19.840 --> 0:20:23.520 the fairy tale takes place, the town of Hamlin, Germany, 0:20:23.560 --> 0:20:27.879 in um Lower Saxony or West Falley, I think is 0:20:27.920 --> 0:20:31.240 what it's called. Now, put put up of stained glass 0:20:31.920 --> 0:20:35.399 window commemorating this. And the window did not survive. But 0:20:35.480 --> 0:20:39.040 apparently there are accounts of that window, yeah, like in 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:40.679 more than one place. Yeah, and it was I mean 0:20:40.720 --> 0:20:42.480 you can understand that it would be because it was 0:20:42.520 --> 0:20:44.919 in the town church for hundreds of years before it 0:20:44.960 --> 0:20:47.399 was destroyed. No one knows how it was destroyed, but 0:20:47.480 --> 0:20:51.840 there is documentation that this window existed. Obviously, no living 0:20:51.920 --> 0:20:55.400 historians saw it with their own eyes. But there's enough, 0:20:55.640 --> 0:20:58.960 um documentary evidence that it seems to be. Yes, there 0:20:59.000 --> 0:21:01.720 was a window that was erected. That is a very 0:21:01.760 --> 0:21:04.760 weird thing to do. Yeah, to just make up right, 0:21:04.960 --> 0:21:10.280 yea very weird, especially in the church. Yeah, you don't lie. No, 0:21:10.680 --> 0:21:13.879 you go to hell for that. So that was that 0:21:13.920 --> 0:21:17.800 was the first documentary evidence, right. The next one I 0:21:17.840 --> 0:21:22.840 saw comes a hundred years later in four and um 0:21:22.840 --> 0:21:26.480 it's in the Hamlin Town Chronicle for that year and 0:21:26.920 --> 0:21:29.600 all it says is it is one years since our 0:21:29.680 --> 0:21:33.800 children left. Yeah. Kind of weird. And what is that? 0:21:33.880 --> 0:21:36.840 Just a blurb? I guess so you'd think a hundred 0:21:36.920 --> 0:21:40.000 year commemoration they might add a little more than that. Yeah. 0:21:40.000 --> 0:21:44.680 And what is this the Luonberg manuscript. This was about 0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:48.280 a hundred years after the window and this was a 0:21:48.320 --> 0:21:52.119 monk who wrote it, Heinrich of Hereford, and he says 0:21:52.200 --> 0:21:55.240 he writes an account and says a man about thirty 0:21:55.280 --> 0:21:57.640 years old came to town playing a flute and lead 0:21:57.680 --> 0:22:02.200 the children out. Yeah. Pretty simple. Yeah, but what's noteworthy 0:22:02.240 --> 0:22:06.120 about that one. There's a couple of things. Um, so 0:22:06.280 --> 0:22:10.760 the the piper doesn't show up in the first in 0:22:10.800 --> 0:22:17.160 the window. But he does show up in the Lumberg manuscript. 0:22:17.480 --> 0:22:20.320 He mentions the piper, but no rats in any of 0:22:20.320 --> 0:22:23.359 these right, not yet. But the other thing about the 0:22:23.440 --> 0:22:27.359 Luomburg manuscript is that it Looomberg is a nearby town. 0:22:27.560 --> 0:22:30.320 So there are other towns that are talking about this 0:22:30.400 --> 0:22:35.320 event that happened in their own chronicles. Right. One of 0:22:35.320 --> 0:22:37.920 the reasons why, But it supports the idea that it's real, 0:22:38.000 --> 0:22:41.600 because if it's just this one town that's deluded, even 0:22:41.640 --> 0:22:44.000 if other towns are talking about it, they'll probably be 0:22:44.200 --> 0:22:48.440 by the way, they're all nuts. But other towns chronicles 0:22:48.440 --> 0:22:51.760 seem to be verifying that this happened or recounting this 0:22:51.880 --> 0:22:55.000 story in like a credulous way. So something happened in 0:22:55.000 --> 0:22:58.280 twelve eighty four, and the evidence is starting to mount. Um. 0:22:58.520 --> 0:23:00.480 The other thing about the fact that this is another 0:23:00.560 --> 0:23:05.080 town is that this town Loomburg and other towns um 0:23:05.119 --> 0:23:10.400 cited that Hambling came to be known to commemorate things 0:23:11.080 --> 0:23:17.720 counting backward or forward from the date of twelve eighty four. So, 0:23:17.840 --> 0:23:20.879 for example, they put up a gate in fifteen fifty 0:23:20.960 --> 0:23:23.879 six in the town. This is what they inscribed on 0:23:23.920 --> 0:23:27.840 the gate. Chuck uh in this year of fifteen fifty six, 0:23:28.080 --> 0:23:30.800 two hundred and seventy two years after the magician led 0:23:30.800 --> 0:23:33.040