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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, it's your buddy Josh. And for this week's select,

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Speaker 1: I've chosen our May two thousand and eighteen episode on

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Speaker 1: the Pied Piper, one of those rare fairy tales that

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Speaker 1: actually may be rooted in fact and history, and it's

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Speaker 1: a good one. It's got a weird start for some reason.

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Speaker 1: I almost sound like I'm mad at Chuck, but rest

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Speaker 1: assured I wasn't. We finally catch our feet a few

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Speaker 1: So I hope it takes you on a wild thrill

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Speaker 1: ride like it did me listening to it again. And

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Speaker 1: either way, just sit back and enjoy, as I know

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Speaker 1: you will. Our episode on the Pied Piper. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: Stuff you Should Know, a production of I Heart Radio. Hey,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, and there's Charles w.

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Speaker 1: Hu Bryant, and there's Jerry over there. This is stuff

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Speaker 1: if you should know, fairy Tale edition. Jerry is supposedly

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Speaker 1: on vacation. Yeah, what's going on? But she came in

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Speaker 1: here just for us. Why Jerry? I think she feels beholden.

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Speaker 1: That's nice, which is weird because she's we've had guest producers.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe she feels like her job is threatened.

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Speaker 1: Is today the day I die? Oh? Jeesus, hope Jerry

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Speaker 1: knows it. Can't we at least get these two in

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Speaker 1: the can first? Yeah? Well probably unless something really crazy

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Speaker 1: happens in the next hour and two. Yeah, that'll give

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Speaker 1: me time to get in touch with like the five

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Speaker 1: people I have on my list to replace you. Ye,

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Speaker 1: I know the five Bono right Obama? Right, Michael Stipe,

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Speaker 1: Michael Stipe, Bobby Fisher. I think there was one more.

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Speaker 1: I can't remember, Bobby Fisher, the chess player. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: a little random. Well I want to correct that episode

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Speaker 1: and Optimus Prime that's the fifth one, that's right. Yeah, uh, chucker.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of fairy Tale before? Yeah? We uh,

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Speaker 1: we did two very good episodes. Oh, if you say

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Speaker 1: so yourself, know these were good. I don't often say that,

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Speaker 1: but in November of two thousand and fifteen, we did

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Speaker 1: it back to backer with the dark origins of fairy

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Speaker 1: tales and how the Grimm's fairy Tales work or the

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Speaker 1: grand Brothers. We had fairy tale fever, we did, but man,

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Speaker 1: we licked it. So did you go back and listen

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Speaker 1: you just remember them being good. I remember them being good, okay,

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Speaker 1: and being especially kind of proud of those too. Really

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Speaker 1: that's fantastic. Yeah, that's how I feel about your limb

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Speaker 1: is torn off? Now what that was a good one.

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Speaker 1: It's a good title about reattachment surgery. Remember that. Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I think that that titles all you. That's a Josh

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Speaker 1: Clark title. You've got some good titles out there too.

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Speaker 1: What's the deal with blank? You know who's really good

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Speaker 1: at coming up with titles? Yeah? Where the streets have

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Speaker 1: For a dam dude, you just did it. So we're

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Speaker 1: talking about fairy tales today, specifically, specifically, we're talking about

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Speaker 1: the fairy tale of the Pie Piper of Hamlet, and

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Speaker 1: as far as fairy tales go, it seems to be

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Speaker 1: a little different than other fairy tales. And the reason

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Speaker 1: why it's a little different is because, horrifically, it's people

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Speaker 1: the basis of this fairy tale. Right, Whereas with Hansel

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Speaker 1: not based in fact? Right? You remember the little guy

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Speaker 1: A little guy with a big heart. I don't think

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Speaker 1: many emails from people being like, layoff Bono. What's what's

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Speaker 1: The reason why we say it might be based in

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Speaker 1: Tale of the Pipe Piper. It was not even Irish

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Speaker 1: Piper dance around with a band. Uh and he had

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Speaker 1: She so sick of this man. She's really tickled today, Jerry,

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Speaker 1: are you stoned? No, she's been smoking her own magical pipe.

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Speaker 1: which is complete um fabrication, because rats are very good swimmers.

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Speaker 1: they drown all the rats. The pie piper is successful.

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Speaker 1: townspeople are partying? They're they're getting hammered, They're singing, They're

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Speaker 1: they're they're prosting, singing their German beer hall. Uh songs

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Speaker 1: common ones make that makes a lot of sense is

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00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: that there was some disease that killed all these kids,

421
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: and then this story is some sort of metaphor for

422
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 1: what happened to their children. And the fact that rats

423
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,919
Speaker 1: come into play at some point have led people to

424
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,120
Speaker 1: speculate that it might be the bubonic plague. Yeah, there's

425
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 1: a guy named Count Froben Christoph von Zimmer. Can you

426
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 1: say it like that Froban? No, I don't know, but

427
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 1: I know that that guy will steal your soul in

428
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 1: the middle of the night if you're not careful. Yeah, So,

429
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 1: Count Froben Christoph von Zimmer, you can only say all

430
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 1: of his names, you can't, he wrote. He wrote a

431
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 1: chronicle in fifteen sixty five from another nearby town, and

432
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,679
Speaker 1: he was the one who seems to have introduced the rats. Okay,

433
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 1: And so at that point the piper goes from just

434
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: a weirdo magician to ratten Fonger. Yeah, rat catcher. Yeah,

435
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 1: which was a job, it was, And I mean like

436
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 1: like this town would have had rats. Any town would

437
00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,880
Speaker 1: have had rats, So it would have been like it's

438
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 1: understandable like that the rats would come into it, and

439
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: it's not like that's just, you know, a totally outlandish

440
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: addition to the story. But the fact that it doesn't

441
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: show up until fifteen sixty five, and this has been

442
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 1: documented for hundreds of years up to that point, seems

443
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: a little fishy. And it certainly seems weird that it

444
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 1: would have been the plague because the play cadn't come

445
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: around yet, right right, And it also seems fishy that

446
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 1: it doesn't mention anything about adults in any sort of

447
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 1: rat carrying or diseased rat would It seems like it

448
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 1: wouldn't just affect kids. No, it doesn't make any sense. No,

449
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,919
Speaker 1: it doesn't. But the idea that a hundred and thirty

450
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 1: kids were taken from the town in one form of fashion,

451
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 1: you could say, well, it's like some sort of disease.

452
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,400
Speaker 1: One of the other diseases that got um put up

453
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: was Parkinson's I believe or no, Huntington's I'm Sorry, which

454
00:26:56,359 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 1: is a stupid theory. It's a terrible theory. Unting tense

455
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: disease is an inherited disease, so that would mean that

456
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,239
Speaker 1: every kid in the town had inherited hunting Ten's from

457
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 1: their parents, who apparently weren't showing any symptoms. I don't know,

458
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 1: I couldn't find it, but it's a terrible one. And

459
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: then the idea that so it's not infectious, it's rare

460
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: and everybody's symptoms coming on at the same time in dying.

461
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 1: The reason why they said that those because supposedly um

462
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 1: the sheiks from it, the palsy would account for the

463
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: dancing of the children. It seems like a pretty dumb

464
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: thing to zero. That's a stretch. Hunting ten disease were

465
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: crossing off the list, all right. One of my favorites

466
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 1: is that the children left on their own as part

467
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: of one of the crusades. And apparently the one thing

468
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: that doesn't quite align is the timeline because a few

469
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:54,719
Speaker 1: decades previous there were in fact young people children probably teenagers.

470
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: Do there like eight year old participating in the Crusades.

471
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: One of them would have a vision from God and say,

472
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: you know, we should totally cover the Crusades. I don't

473
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 1: think we No. Have we done that? No, not yet.

474
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: There's a really good article on the site too, would

475
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 1: be it's a pretty dense single. Yeah we might do too, alright,

476
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,479
Speaker 1: two party on the Crusades coming at you, Uh, so

477
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: you would you know, one of those kids would have

478
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: a vision from God and then all the kids would

479
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: follow and say, all right, when we can take our

480
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 1: broadswords that we can barely lift and go fight the

481
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 1: good fight. Right. So that's one theory, and that's actually

482
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: a pretty uh It's that that's a little more rooted

483
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: in reality. Like, yes, there were children's crusade before documented,

484
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: It's possible it happened a decade or two later, Like

485
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: if if it was in the area and well known,

486
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: some other kid could have been like, Okay, let me

487
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: try my hand at it, changes his name to Jim

488
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: Jones and says follow me to Jerusalem. Right, that's right,

489
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: So that that one could have happened. It's possible. Um.

490
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: The other one, this is supposed of the most widely

491
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: held theory, Chuck, was that this is all part of

492
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: the Oh seed long o s this is a tongue

493
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: twister O S T S I E D l U

494
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: n G, which is basically an exodus or an eastward

495
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: expansion from Germany to Transylvania, Romania area which was being

496
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: newly settled by Um Western Europeans after conquering, Like the

497
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 1: whole Dracula era. So the idea is an adult came

498
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: and said, hey, kids, why don't you come with me

499
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: and we'll we'll go like populate eastern Europe pretty much

500
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: right right, So um, and there is evidence that this

501
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: this did, like this definitely happened, right there was a

502
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: migration eastward. Um. And the big thing about this one

503
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: is that they were misinterpreting the word kids or children

504
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: that it could have been the town's children in but

505
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: it's like their their children, they weren't kids. They were

506
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: you know, young adults who were who would have represented like,

507
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of the workforce. So that would

508
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: have been a big deal had they left. So that's

509
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: a that's I think the most widely held one right now. Well,

510
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: one of the traditions you're hanging onto is uh. And

511
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: I kind of teased it with that dum bano jerk

512
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: jerk like that's a great botto that bono joke earlier

513
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: is uh today still um. The street where this supposedly

514
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: all happened UM is called the Bungalowsan stausa street with

515
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: no drums, street without drums, And to this day they

516
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: won't allow people to play music or dance on that street. Right,

517
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: the rest of the town and including that street, but

518
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: really the rest of the town is the whole town

519
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: is dedicated to this legend. Yeah, um, I thought you

520
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: can say dedicated to music and dancing. Well, I'm except

521
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: for the streets they do. There is a musical called

522
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: Rats that's put on in the town seriously, um. And

523
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: there's there's like a pie piper statue and recreations every

524
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: Sunday in the summer. Oh yeah, it's huge tourist town

525
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: for this. Um. There's like a I think a Rats

526
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: blug cocktails that they served. I saw. It's like a

527
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: mental Falss article I mentioned that. But um, the town

528
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: is dedicated to this. But there's there's the fact that

529
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: they're still talking about it is not just legend. It's um.

530
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: It's like they're they're still telling that story to an extent,

531
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Well, yeah, keeping it alive,

532
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: not just for tourist dollars because it looms large because

533
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: this is their ancestry. Well, they definitely. Um, there are

534
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: some more um theories that haven't gained as much traction,

535
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: Like there was a pedophile that came, Um, these children

536
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: were just maybe just simply sent away because they're very poor.

537
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: Because that happened. That's my theory that that was just

538
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: sort of the regular thing that would happen, is we're

539
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: also poor, you go away and live a better life somewhere. Yeah,

540
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: And that's where Hansel and Gretel is kind of rooted

541
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: in reality, the idea of child abandonment. Remember we talked

542
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: about that. I believe in the in one of the

543
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: fairy Tale episodes from before that like if you fell

544
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: on hard times, just taking your kid out to the

545
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: woods and being like, best of luck. It was a

546
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: viable thing to do during the Middle Ages. And it's

547
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: possible that this town basically said it would be like

548
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: a combination of the guy coming from Romania and saying

549
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: follow me, and the parents being like, maybe you should

550
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: go with him. And then that would explain why the

551
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: whole thing is written in like such vague, flowery language.

552
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: To me, that indicates that they're they're working out guilt.

553
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: There's guilt by this town, bague. They're not direct. Other

554
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: towns are talking about this legend in much more explicit terms,

555
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: But in the town of hay Amelin it's all very

556
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: like like flowery and and poetic and vague, and it

557
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: makes me think they're they're covering something up that they

558
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: have to get off their chest. But they're still they

559
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: can't bring themselves to actually say what it was. Well,

560
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: that sort of jibes the with um. This dude, he's

561
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: a children's poet named Michael Rosen. He sent that one article.

562
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: He actually went to Hamlin and hooked up with a

563
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: guy named Michael Boyer from the tourism office there, and

564
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: Boyer says that he thinks the rats were added and

565
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: this this makes sense with your theory. Was that just

566
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: sort of an attempt to wash away what he said,

567
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: we're bad memories, like a cover up to draw attention

568
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: away from this awful thing. They're like, hey, let's tell

569
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: this rat story. Right, But if you'll notice also in

570
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: that story with the rats there there is guilt by

571
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: the town. The town is guilty of something and they

572
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: lose their children as a result. Right, So if the

573
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,239
Speaker 1: rats were actually part of the original story, even if

574
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: it wasn't documented, even if there weren't real rats, it

575
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 1: still is putting some veneer of guilt onto the town.

576
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: It wasn't something that just happened to them. This thing

577
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,919
Speaker 1: befell them because they did something wrong. I don't feel

578
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 1: like there could be a deeper mystery, though, Yeah I

579
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: think there is, Like, for real, I think there's something

580
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: really happened in Hamlin in twelve eighty four and they

581
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,760
Speaker 1: lost a hundred and thirty kids somehow, and the town

582
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: it was psychically damaged by it. Are you going to

583
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 1: title this one pie Piper colon cold Case? That's a

584
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: good one. Actually, Okay, you got anything else? No? Now

585
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,760
Speaker 1: I want to know more. I know I got sucked

586
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 1: into this. I can't remember which of the articles I

587
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 1: sent it got me, but I don't remember how I

588
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: came across it, but it was it was like, oh,

589
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 1: I've never thought of this, And it's not like you

590
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:59,280
Speaker 1: can do this with every um fairy tale, right there's

591
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 1: you know, there's was probably no rapondola, and probably no

592
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,240
Speaker 1: rumble Stiltskin, Hansel and Gretel's just so vague. Probably happened

593
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:10,280
Speaker 1: to multiple children, But this one, this happened in Hamlin

594
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 1: in twelve eighty four. Something happened. We may never know

595
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: what it was, but it's pretty interesting. My mind goes

596
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: really dark and thinks, like what if there was just

597
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: a mass murder, well parents. One more thing, One more thing.

598
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that up. So the execution place

599
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 1: that the Coppin Mountain or Cavalry Mountain or whatever it was,

600
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: supposedly that was where they buried people too, So they

601
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: were saying that could be code for a mass grave

602
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 1: where they would have buried people, which would suggest a

603
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: mass death that happened in a short period of time. Man,

604
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: can you imagine if there was a discovery made of

605
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: children's bones and in a mountain somewhere north of Hamlin

606
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: to be neat nor because it's mountains, I just think

607
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: that means they're north. So one more you keep bringing

608
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: up this awesome stuff, dude. You ready, they recently discovered

609
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: I think they discovered it a while back, but they

610
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: recently publicized that the discovery of a and believe it was.

611
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: It was definitely in Peru. It wasn't Incan. It was

612
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 1: one of the Incan's rivals, the Inca rivals um. But

613
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: it was a mass sacrifice of hundreds of kids that

614
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: all happened on one day, one after the other. It was.

615
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: And like they found this and you're reading it and

616
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: you're like, this probably has never happened in the history

617
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: of the world anything like this, Nothing like this. I

618
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 1: mean it's they were probably child side or they're definitely

619
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: child sacrifices, but they would do it like once in

620
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: a while or something. But imagine a town gone that

621
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 1: berserk that they just let their kids, like hundreds of

622
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: kids just killed in a day in one area. It was.

623
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: It's really rough, man, it's but reading about it, it's

624
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,439
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just too you can't help but pull

625
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: yourself back into that day and just see it and

626
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 1: want to be like, stop, what are you doing? You've

627
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: lost your mind? You know. And if it happened once,

628
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: it could happen again. I guess you know, maybe the

629
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: parents were all, uh, maybe they'll drank bad beer one

630
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: day it made him temporarily insane. That would be really bad.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like a Bloomhouse movie to come. What is that?

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Speaker 1: It's just that production company that makes a lot of

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Speaker 1: the horror movies. Now, what like what I think they

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Speaker 1: did get out among many others. Good, Okay, you've got

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Speaker 1: anything else? Now? I got nothing else? Jerry? No, okay, Well,

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Speaker 1: if you want to know more about the pipe Piper

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Speaker 1: and all that stuff, you can type that word in

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Speaker 1: I said that, it's time for listener mail, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: call this a double Kieta reply because you heard from

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Speaker 1: a couple of people with some good insight. First, Alexandra,

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Speaker 1: longtime listener from San Juan, Puerto Rico, loved episode on

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Speaker 1: Kensanetas's usually you did a great job approaching a cultural tradition,

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Speaker 1: but it is not your own, while providing a balanced information,

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Speaker 1: well rounded and textualization of the celebration and its influences.

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Speaker 1: And she's like in Parnes, it was the opposite of

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Speaker 1: the ing episode. Oh man, we've gotten beat up about that.

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Speaker 1: For my own Keen Saneta, my mother gave me the

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Speaker 1: option of the traditional coming of age party or a trip.

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Speaker 1: What do you think she chose. I'm guessing a trip. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would too. I chose to travel. It. Spent a

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Speaker 1: month in Germany this summer I turned fifteen. Looking back,

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Speaker 1: it's amazing that she trusted me enough at such a

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Speaker 1: young age travel on my own, although I did stay

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Speaker 1: with family. She's like, it's the greatest regret of my

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Speaker 1: young life. I wish I would have partied. Uh, I

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Speaker 1: just wanted to clarify a few things you brought up. Um,

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Speaker 1: l A T I n X is pronounced, she says,

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Speaker 1: latin X. It refers to those from Latin America or

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Speaker 1: Latin American descent. Hispanic refers to Spanish speaking persons. Oh

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Speaker 1: and your pronunciation of keen yeta was great, as the

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Speaker 1: r A is a soft our sound. Um, no need

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Speaker 1: to read this on the podcast. T s sorry, Alexandra.

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Speaker 1: And then this other follow up I want to this

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Speaker 1: guy says, this is Ti van Plinski. I recognize that name.

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Speaker 1: I think he's on Twitter or something. Really Yeah, great name.

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Speaker 1: He's local, is she said? Disclaimer, I'm a white person

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Speaker 1: from Georgia, so I have no authority here at all.

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Speaker 1: But we'll be referring to the opinions of actual Latino

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Speaker 1: Latina Latin X people I know or have read the

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Speaker 1: confidence in the following two ways, Latin X and Latin X. However,

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Speaker 1: some people say latin X or latins latin X sounds

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Speaker 1: right because it's Latino Latina latin X, Yeah, that makes sense,

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Speaker 1: or LATINX rhymes with sphinx. Um I don't think that's

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Speaker 1: right or something else entirely, as evidenced by this Twitter poll,

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Speaker 1: and he shared a Twitter poll which was from a

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Speaker 1: media brand for Latino millennials. Interestingly, there appears to be

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Speaker 1: backlash against the term by some who view it as

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Speaker 1: an attempt, potential or not to anglicize Spanish. They say

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Speaker 1: this is part of a larger movement to paint Hispanic

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Speaker 1: Latino Latina Latin X people as sexist and ignorant. Mexican

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Speaker 1: American person who introduced me to the term was still

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Speaker 1: sorting out their feelings about the whole situation. Huh. So

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Speaker 1: that's where we step steps into a hornet's nice uh

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Speaker 1: tivon plinsky Uh. If you want to get in touch

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