WEBVTT - PART 2: Why Your Reputation Matters More Than Ever

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<v Speaker 1>On this week's episode of Cultivating her Space. Your name

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<v Speaker 1>carries energy before you into a room, and eventually who

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<v Speaker 1>you are will matter more than how impressive you looked

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<v Speaker 1>online or even just from the outside right, like from

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<v Speaker 1>seeing you as superficially.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and reputation can change. Like we said before, reputation

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<v Speaker 2>can change, but character is the thing that's generally constant

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<v Speaker 2>in us. Hey, lady, have you ever felt like the

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<v Speaker 1>Of the day.

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<v Speaker 2>The reality is people are human. People make mistakes, but

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<v Speaker 2>we also have to learn how to protect ourselves, trust

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<v Speaker 2>ourselves and move with wisdom. All right, I'm gonna say

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<v Speaker 2>that one more time for the folks in the back.

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<v Speaker 2>The reality is people are human. People make mistakes, but

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<v Speaker 2>we also have to learn how to protect ourselves, trust

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<v Speaker 2>ourselves and move with wisdom.

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<v Speaker 1>Aim into that. Listen what comes it? Is something coming

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<v Speaker 1>up for you around the quote.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, uh, it's I mean, I feel like it's self explanatory.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think the thing that I want to emphasize

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<v Speaker 2>is we are human like from the person that you

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<v Speaker 2>think the most about that you have on the highest

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<v Speaker 2>of five pedestals. And we talked about pedestals last week.

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<v Speaker 2>If you haven't listened the last week's episode, pause this one.

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<v Speaker 2>Go listen to the last week's episode and then come back

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<v Speaker 2>to the person that you think the worst of and

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<v Speaker 2>everybody in between. We are all human.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it, Mike Drop, All right, let's get into it.

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<v Speaker 1>So last week we started a very important conversation about reputation, character, integrity,

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<v Speaker 1>and why our reputation matters more than ever, especially in

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<v Speaker 1>this age. And honestly, that conversation, it was so it

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<v Speaker 1>was so rich, and it we kind of went deeper

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<v Speaker 1>than we expected, and so we wanted to come back

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<v Speaker 1>with the part two. So, as Dom said, if you

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<v Speaker 1>have not listened to part one yet, go back listen,

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<v Speaker 1>check it out, and then join us here. But today

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to dive into discernment, and we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>knowing how and who to trust, accountability without dehumanization, and

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<v Speaker 1>what it means to leave room for growth in a

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<v Speaker 1>world where people are constantly again they can put on

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<v Speaker 1>pedalstols and publicly torn down because like you said, Dom,

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<v Speaker 1>yes we all make or yes, we're all human and

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<v Speaker 1>we make mistakes and it is still important for us

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<v Speaker 1>to protect ourselves. Like just because someone it's just so

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<v Speaker 1>much nuance there, right, like, yes we are human, Yes

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<v Speaker 1>we all make mistakes, and if someone's a repeat offender

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<v Speaker 1>and they keep doing the same thing over and over,

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<v Speaker 1>or they show you their character or who they are

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<v Speaker 1>or who they are deciding to be on a consistent basis,

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<v Speaker 1>we need to make some decisions, right And so we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna talk right about We're going to dive right into

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<v Speaker 1>how to know who to trust because it's getting tough

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<v Speaker 1>out here in these streets right with AI. And I

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<v Speaker 1>was telling Dom that I saw this video on the

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<v Speaker 1>use of Tube and the YouTube where it was like

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<v Speaker 1>an ad and it was it looked like Oprah, But

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<v Speaker 1>I just you know how AI right now still has

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<v Speaker 1>that funny it's like a little little funky voice to it.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew it wasn't Oprah. We many of us have

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<v Speaker 1>watched Open since we were kids. I know it was

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<v Speaker 1>an open but they were promoting a product with her likeness,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was just like, how is this legal? Number one?

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<v Speaker 1>It's probably not, so I don't know how they're doing it,

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<v Speaker 1>But that's that's pretty scary.

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<v Speaker 2>It is really scary. And I think the thing is

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<v Speaker 2>is that even with the rise of AI taking over

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<v Speaker 2>people's image and likeness, even outside of that, even before that,

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<v Speaker 2>it was still important for us to understand how to

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<v Speaker 2>trust the people around us that we interact with in

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<v Speaker 2>real life.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So for me, when I think about like the people

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<v Speaker 2>who are trustworthy, right, I know that I can trust

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<v Speaker 2>you if you are consistent, if and consistent. And here's

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<v Speaker 2>the thing I want to say. With that consistency, you

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<v Speaker 2>can be consistent at being shitty like you can be

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<v Speaker 2>a not so good person. You can treat people not

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<v Speaker 2>you cannot treat people well. Yeah, and if that's what

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<v Speaker 2>you consistently do, I trust that I trust you. Trusting

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<v Speaker 2>you doesn't mean that I agree with you, that I

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<v Speaker 2>actually or that I like who you are. What it

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<v Speaker 2>means is that at least in this consistency piece, I

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<v Speaker 2>can trust. I can trust you in that your behavior's

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<v Speaker 2>behavior that I don't rock with because you're consistent with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now, the type of trustworthy people that we want

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<v Speaker 2>to spend time around insistent in the good things that

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<v Speaker 2>they do. They admit to their mistakes, They treat people

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<v Speaker 2>well in private, They are open to accountability, they don't

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<v Speaker 2>need to perform this level of superiority in line with that,

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<v Speaker 2>they have humility, and they have alignments in their words

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<v Speaker 2>actions and values.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are good. Yeah, I like that. I was just

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<v Speaker 1>gonna say from what you shared, they were all really great.

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<v Speaker 1>And the one that really stood out to me and

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<v Speaker 1>think about personal experience is people who do what they

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<v Speaker 1>say they're going to do right, Like you know what

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<v Speaker 1>to expect. I know that you're accountable but also dependable.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think this is a great time for us

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<v Speaker 1>as individuals, like as humans in this day and age,

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<v Speaker 1>to think about what makes me trust someone, because when

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<v Speaker 1>you see that inconsistency right, or you see the consistency

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<v Speaker 1>in the wrong areas, then you know that, oh, let

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<v Speaker 1>me make some moves. Because we talked about the some

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<v Speaker 1>previous episodes. Now maybe I'm traumatized, but I'm thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>a certain situation of someone who looked good. They were

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<v Speaker 1>fun to be around, there was a good time. I

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<v Speaker 1>had a good time we them, if you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean. But they were consistently inconsistent and their words

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<v Speaker 1>did not match the actions. And so I think sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>we can get emotionally and I'm not just talking about relationships,

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<v Speaker 1>but this could this could be you know, it could

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<v Speaker 1>be anything. Right, we get emotionally invested into something and

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<v Speaker 1>even when we see those green flags are not there.

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<v Speaker 1>We're still just like I'm moving ahead. I'm just going

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<v Speaker 1>to keep on going right, And a lot of times

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<v Speaker 1>there are consequences to that, right, and I see them.

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<v Speaker 1>Got to be right one hundred percent of the time.

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<v Speaker 1>But when we don't follow that good or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>something something doesn't feel right here, we end up having

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<v Speaker 1>consequences ultimately because of because of those things.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, And I think the thing that I you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of others that I want to add to

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<v Speaker 2>this is a person. We can tell that a person

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<v Speaker 2>is trustworthy when they're also when they're open, right, So

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<v Speaker 2>they are open to feedback. Doesn't necessarily mean that they

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<v Speaker 2>like the feedback, right, That's a difference, but they're they're

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<v Speaker 2>open to it. They're they're open to new like new experiences.

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<v Speaker 2>They are open to vulnerability. Though, to me, those are

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<v Speaker 2>other signs that a person is trustworthy. Do are they

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<v Speaker 2>ethical in how they behave right? Are they kind and

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<v Speaker 2>respectful and caring to the people around them? How do

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<v Speaker 2>they treat people that have that they have nothing to

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<v Speaker 2>gain from?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Those are good, Those are great. I love them.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we're going to talk about some red flags. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so and again, I think we're kind of giving you

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<v Speaker 1>just ideas on what we value, but you have to

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<v Speaker 1>think about what you value because you might we may

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<v Speaker 1>have differing perspectives. But I know a red flag for

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<v Speaker 1>me is like an overmanaged identity, right, like always obsessing

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<v Speaker 1>about perception but not really focused on the substance, right

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<v Speaker 1>Like I know many people who are like, oh, everything

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<v Speaker 1>has to just look. And don't get me wrong, I

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<v Speaker 1>like to think to look a certain way, but I

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<v Speaker 1>also like to be able to make sure what's below

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<v Speaker 1>the surface is also in order. And so people who

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<v Speaker 1>are just constantly, you know, obsessed with that outside image

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<v Speaker 1>but not necessarily what's happening behind the scenes, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>so committed to looking good but not necessarily being good

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<v Speaker 1>whatever good is. Of course, I would say always performing

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<v Speaker 1>expertise to someone, all always needing to be you know,

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<v Speaker 1>sounding right, or always just not being able to admit

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<v Speaker 1>like I don't know, you know, it's like you ever

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<v Speaker 1>see you ever talk to someone and they just pull

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<v Speaker 1>you see them, they just pulling shit out their ass,

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<v Speaker 1>they just poured out and you're like, I know what

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<v Speaker 1>you're saying, some bullshit, but you just because you can't

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<v Speaker 1>say that you don't know, you just got to make

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<v Speaker 1>some shit up. Yeah, And it's like I don't trust

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<v Speaker 1>it like that, I don't sit right with me right,

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<v Speaker 1>lacking accountability what you talked about before, like always being

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<v Speaker 1>a victim or blaming other people and ability to apologize,

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<v Speaker 1>and in interpersonal relationships time I will. In a particular relationship,

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<v Speaker 1>I asked the question, like, what areas for improvement do

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<v Speaker 1>you have? I think that's a very interesting question to

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<v Speaker 1>ask someone just to see what comes up. How do

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<v Speaker 1>you see yourself right? Like are you always right? And

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<v Speaker 1>the person answered answer the question. I was just like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. That seems like a red flag, like

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have nothing, you have nothing you can improve

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<v Speaker 1>upon every everything that went wrong in other relationships was

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<v Speaker 1>always the other person. I don't know, Yeah, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's yeah, that's the problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Inconsistency. We talked about this a bit, but treating people

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<v Speaker 1>smaller or people who can't who don't appear to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to do you any good or benefit treating them poorly.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that right, there is a huge red flag

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<v Speaker 1>to me, like, yes, what are we doing right?

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<v Speaker 2>And I think you know and I think the thing

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<v Speaker 2>to remember is that it's about paying attention to the patterns, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>and not like looking for the patterns and not like

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<v Speaker 2>one offs, right, because again, we are all human. They're

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<v Speaker 2>there may be someone who is truly trustworthy that consistently

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<v Speaker 2>admits to mistakes. They treat people well privately, but then

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<v Speaker 2>they have one day, one moment where they don't take

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<v Speaker 2>accountability for something, like you're pointing out something that they

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<v Speaker 2>didn't do well or where they might have hurt your feelings,

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<v Speaker 2>or you know, you're pointing something out to them, and

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<v Speaker 2>in that instance, they're not taking accountability. Right. Does this

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<v Speaker 2>mean that now all of a sudden we can never

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<v Speaker 2>trust this person? Not necessarily. Let's step back and look

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<v Speaker 2>at the look at the person as a whole. What's

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<v Speaker 2>their general pattern. Do they generally take accountability for things?

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<v Speaker 2>Are they generally a consistent person, or are you still

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<v Speaker 2>just getting to know them. There's not been enough time

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<v Speaker 2>for you to make that decision whether or not they

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<v Speaker 2>truly are trustworthy, And so now you have to hold

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<v Speaker 2>off on making a decision about their trustworthiness because this

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<v Speaker 2>is maybe this is the first instance where you've asked

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<v Speaker 2>them to take accountability and they didn't do it because

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<v Speaker 2>we don't have enough time with them, and this is

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<v Speaker 2>the first instance. We don't know if this is how

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<v Speaker 2>they normally get down.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's like a mental note, you know, right, right,

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<v Speaker 1>proceed with caution, yes exactly. I want to get your

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<v Speaker 1>perspective on something. I just thought about this. So the

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<v Speaker 1>other thing I want to say first is the other

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<v Speaker 1>thing to note, tire, is that everyone is not going

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<v Speaker 1>to be your cup of tea, and you're not going

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<v Speaker 1>to be everyone's cup of tea. And that's okay, Like

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<v Speaker 1>it is okay for you to see someone's content or

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<v Speaker 1>to hear someone's perspective and be like, oh, okay, that's interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a different perspective. I don't really that doesn't seem

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<v Speaker 1>like my person or my people, you know, like my vibe. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So probably not going to file them, Probably just skip

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<v Speaker 1>that content. So speaking of that, I saw this guy.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna say ny names. I don't even know

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<v Speaker 1>this man's name, but hopefully this doesn't become a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's just something I saw social media that thought

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<v Speaker 1>was very interesting and I'm going to dive into it.

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<v Speaker 1>So basically, I saw this guy and I'm gonna give

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<v Speaker 1>you a summary of what he said at this conference.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was like a relationship panel or something,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was stating that he how some women they

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<v Speaker 1>think they're special because men treat them a certain way.

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<v Speaker 1>And what he was saying is like, I bring everybody

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<v Speaker 1>to meet my mom, I bring everybody to meet my kids.

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<v Speaker 1>I take everyone to Paris. I suck everybody's told everybody

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<v Speaker 1>booty Like he was just going in like all the

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<v Speaker 1>things he does. He's like, I do this to everybody

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm rich and blah blah blah, and there was

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<v Speaker 1>more to it, but and hearing that perspective, I saw

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<v Speaker 1>some woman commenting on that, and they have perspectives. And

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<v Speaker 1>as someone who I think, I've seen this content before,

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<v Speaker 1>and from what I saw before, I thought was content.

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<v Speaker 1>From what I recalled, I thought it was like decent

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<v Speaker 1>content you just scrolling. But after hearing that perspective, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of things. One it seems like he was

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<v Speaker 1>being radically honest, which is like, hey, if that's how

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<v Speaker 1>you get down, that's how we get down too. Something

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<v Speaker 1>about it was just like ugh, like it was just

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<v Speaker 1>like I don't know something about it just didn't. I

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<v Speaker 1>can't put my finger on it, but it didn't sit

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<v Speaker 1>well with me. I was just like, okay, And so

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<v Speaker 1>that's an example. I want to see what your perspective

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<v Speaker 1>is on just that whole interaction of like scrolling seeing someone,

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<v Speaker 1>this is what they share? What do you? What comes

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<v Speaker 1>up for you?

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<v Speaker 2>And you hear that dom So the first thing that

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<v Speaker 2>comes up is I need more I need more context

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<v Speaker 2>on how they engage in other situations, right, and before

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<v Speaker 2>I make a judgment on who they are, whether or

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<v Speaker 2>not they're a trustworthy person, right, Because I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>the question that we're asking, like is this person trustworthy? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>In terms of like the comment that he shared about

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<v Speaker 2>dating and treating every woman the same. My initial thought

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<v Speaker 2>is that in as society, in dating culture, a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of US millennials and older, not so much gen Z millennials,

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<v Speaker 2>because gen Z has been shaped differently. Right, Millennials and older,

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<v Speaker 2>we were socialized to believe that a man is going

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<v Speaker 2>to treat the woman that he wants to marry, that

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<v Speaker 2>he intends to marry in to at a higher standard

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<v Speaker 2>than he's going to treat other women that he dates. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I could I can understand where, oh, he

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<v Speaker 2>treats everybody equally, everybody exactly the same. I could see

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<v Speaker 2>where that may feel problematic hearing it right, I'd be

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<v Speaker 2>curious though, One, if he actually does that, h right, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>that's my first point of curiosity. Does he actually treat

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<v Speaker 2>every single woman the same?

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<v Speaker 1>And two?

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<v Speaker 2>If he treats every single woman exactly the same, are

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<v Speaker 2>we then saying that?

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<v Speaker 1>Like?

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<v Speaker 2>Are we saying are what is the judgment that we're

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<v Speaker 2>making on his trustworthiness if he's treating every woman exactly

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<v Speaker 2>the same. Because to me, based on how we understand trustworthiness,

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<v Speaker 2>I would trust him if he is truly being honest

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<v Speaker 2>that he treats every woman that he dates exactly the same.

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<v Speaker 2>I Mean, my next joint of curiosity would be, are

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<v Speaker 2>you telling all of the women that you are seeing

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<v Speaker 2>other women and they are all getting the same treatment?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I appreciate you sharing that though, because I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like you just walked us through a really like a

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<v Speaker 1>nice an interesting process and journey of like a pair

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<v Speaker 1>of social relationship where like, you see someone's content, you

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<v Speaker 1>may want to make a quick snap judgment, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you kind of go through this process of like, oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>like are they trust. Well, maybe I don't aquae with

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<v Speaker 1>what he said or even me like it kind of

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<v Speaker 1>made me feel awake. I'm like, well, if you know,

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<v Speaker 1>this is my thought, like if you know that, women

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<v Speaker 1>are going to feel special or they're going to probably

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<v Speaker 1>be more clingy or you know, just like you more

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<v Speaker 1>because you're doing these things and you're doing that, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like that kind of doesn't seem cool. But then at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time, you are being honest, you are being upfront.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I've had men who have been upfront like this,

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<v Speaker 1>this is what I want, this is what I'm trying

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<v Speaker 1>to do, and it's like, you got to respect the honesty.

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<v Speaker 1>So I want to bring that up. But I appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>the process that you walk through to get to like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>how do I feel about this? And at the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>I think we can resonate with someone's content and not

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<v Speaker 1>be a fan of the person, right, or we could

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<v Speaker 1>be a fan of the person and not necessarily resonate

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<v Speaker 1>with the content. Or I agree with what they said.

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<v Speaker 1>I think this is just a reminder of like we

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<v Speaker 1>get to make the decision, but these are some of

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<v Speaker 1>the things to consider when we're consuming the content, and

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<v Speaker 1>like just because we disagree with someone doesn't mean they're

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<v Speaker 1>a bad person. Right. We're all entitled to our own

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<v Speaker 1>perspectives based on our lived experience. So I appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 2>Sharing exactly exactly, and I think you know and I

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<v Speaker 2>think also to the first thing that I pointed out, right,

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<v Speaker 2>is I need more context. Yes, that in order to

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<v Speaker 2>determine whether someone truly is trustworthy. It's not made in

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<v Speaker 2>a snap judgment, because if I'm seeing just that one

0:20:14.320 --> 0:20:21.480
<v Speaker 2>snippet of content, I can make all kinds of assumptions

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<v Speaker 2>about that person that might not even be accurate. It's

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<v Speaker 2>needing the whole content, needing bigger context and asking questions,

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<v Speaker 2>getting curious. And then but when it comes to people

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<v Speaker 2>that we're meeting, like in real life, it's if we

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<v Speaker 2>can't make a snap judgment off of someone that we

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<v Speaker 2>interacted with for five minutes, that it's helpful to give

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<v Speaker 2>it some time, have multiple interactions in various settings to

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<v Speaker 2>then determine is this a trustworthy person?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I think particularly also like when it comes to dating, right,

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<v Speaker 2>that as you are trying to determine is this potential

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<v Speaker 2>is this partner or a trustworthy person, it's looking at

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<v Speaker 2>their actions it's looking at are they consistent all the

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<v Speaker 2>things that we mentioned before, but it's also paying attention

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<v Speaker 2>to the stories that they tell you about their past

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<v Speaker 2>right or how they spend their day right, Like, are

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<v Speaker 2>the stories that they're sharing with you? Are they taking accountability?

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<v Speaker 2>Do they have some level of humility? How are they

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<v Speaker 2>treating people from all walks of life that they encounter?

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<v Speaker 2>Are they generally consistent? Are there behaviors and words aligned

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<v Speaker 2>with their values? Do those things also match up with

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<v Speaker 2>what you're looking for in a partner. Those are ways

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<v Speaker 2>in which you can start to see is this person trustworthy?

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<v Speaker 1>And that contacts us onto accountability, right, accountability with out dehumanization.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a big one because I feel like we

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<v Speaker 1>are just especially in the world of social media, like

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<v Speaker 1>people see something and then you just they just like

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<v Speaker 1>no forgiveness. It seems like ever, right, and in order

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<v Speaker 1>to hold on accountabit accountable. I think you can hold

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<v Speaker 1>them accountable, but also you can they deserve humanity at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time, you know what I mean. Yes, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like we can do both. Yeah, this is yeah, this

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<v Speaker 1>is complex. What do you think about this one?

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<v Speaker 2>So I think that to your point, like, yes, both

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<v Speaker 2>are necessary. And when we see someone doing something that

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<v Speaker 2>is inappropriate, illegal, unethical, whatever the word is that we

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<v Speaker 2>want that we're using to describe their particular behavior, the

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<v Speaker 2>internet is an easy place for folks to be. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't even I can't the word is not the word

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<v Speaker 2>is escaping me right now. But you know we can

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<v Speaker 2>be we we can be harsh and aggressive. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>I mean we as people in general can be harsh

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<v Speaker 2>and aggressive when we are behind hiding behind a screen, Twitter,

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<v Speaker 2>Twitter fingers, internet thugs, whatever word we want to use

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<v Speaker 2>to describe it, we are. We can be very harsh

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<v Speaker 2>and aggressive in ways that we would not be in

0:25:25.080 --> 0:25:29.920
<v Speaker 2>real life for sure. And so I think that's where

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<v Speaker 2>the dehumanization comes into play. That, like, it is easy

0:25:35.320 --> 0:25:42.200
<v Speaker 2>for us to because we have held people when we're

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<v Speaker 2>dealing with social media content or just Internet content in general,

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<v Speaker 2>because we have held content creators, celebrities to higher stands,

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<v Speaker 2>to put them on pedestals and all the things we not.

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<v Speaker 2>By doing so, we are treating them as if they

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<v Speaker 2>aren't human, and that pulls away from the expectation of

0:26:08.280 --> 0:26:13.200
<v Speaker 2>them being quote unquote normal, right like the rest of us. Right. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And so then what happens is is when they do

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<v Speaker 2>something wrong or something that in the court of public

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<v Speaker 2>opinion is a problem, then all of a sudden, we

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<v Speaker 2>get hot with those Twitter fingers and everybody's going in

0:26:36.720 --> 0:26:39.440
<v Speaker 2>because now we've put this person in a place, put

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<v Speaker 2>this person on a pedestal, and we no longer treat

0:26:43.920 --> 0:26:49.600
<v Speaker 2>them as if they are human. So we just assume

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<v Speaker 2>that they can take all the vitriol that we are

0:26:54.800 --> 0:27:01.480
<v Speaker 2>as a public tossing at them. Yeah, and we expect

0:27:01.560 --> 0:27:03.960
<v Speaker 2>them to be able to all of a sudden, with

0:27:04.240 --> 0:27:08.840
<v Speaker 2>all of that vitrioll being tossed at them, take accountability

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<v Speaker 2>for what they did wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's a lot that. I mean, we've seen many

0:27:14.880 --> 0:27:18.480
<v Speaker 1>people get dragged on social media. We lived through cancel culture,

0:27:19.240 --> 0:27:23.120
<v Speaker 1>and the interesting I think about me, like or you dom,

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<v Speaker 1>if we were to experience that we are human, like

0:27:25.520 --> 0:27:26.840
<v Speaker 1>you said, We're human at the end of the day.

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<v Speaker 1>So dragging people and commenting all this negativity and people

0:27:31.680 --> 0:27:36.119
<v Speaker 1>another human seeing that constantly, it can be very It

0:27:36.119 --> 0:27:40.280
<v Speaker 1>can be very destructive, right, it can be. And I

0:27:40.280 --> 0:27:43.960
<v Speaker 1>think accountability it should not require public destruction, Like there's

0:27:44.440 --> 0:27:47.080
<v Speaker 1>ideally right, there should be a world where we can state,

0:27:47.160 --> 0:27:50.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, this person did this, this isn't right. You know,

0:27:51.520 --> 0:27:53.720
<v Speaker 1>we want you to hold yourself accountable whatever it might be,

0:27:53.880 --> 0:27:55.960
<v Speaker 1>try to hold them accountable. And then at some point

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, okay, let me decide how I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>engage with this person and let let me move on,

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<v Speaker 1>because like what's the point of continue, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, It's just like okay, yeah, pile on. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like accountability matters, boundaries matter. So me determining

0:28:09.920 --> 0:28:11.879
<v Speaker 1>how I'm going to interact with this content on this

0:28:11.920 --> 0:28:14.840
<v Speaker 1>person based on how they showed up we were talking.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna talk about what we talked about in the

0:28:16.520 --> 0:28:20.480
<v Speaker 1>last after show. That guy. Oh yeah, man, no names,

0:28:20.480 --> 0:28:22.639
<v Speaker 1>but lady if you know you know. So, there was

0:28:22.680 --> 0:28:26.000
<v Speaker 1>a man on social media, right, he was people say

0:28:26.040 --> 0:28:28.639
<v Speaker 1>he was pandering to black women, right, and he was

0:28:28.960 --> 0:28:30.400
<v Speaker 1>creating a lot of content that a lot of black

0:28:30.440 --> 0:28:33.280
<v Speaker 1>women were appreciating, and allegedly they were saying that he

0:28:33.400 --> 0:28:36.240
<v Speaker 1>was I don't know if it was mentoring or advising

0:28:36.240 --> 0:28:38.640
<v Speaker 1>women behind the scenes and like leaving their relationships. But

0:28:38.720 --> 0:28:40.520
<v Speaker 1>then he getting there trying to sleep with them, and

0:28:40.560 --> 0:28:42.720
<v Speaker 1>he's cheating on his wife and doing all these things right,

0:28:42.720 --> 0:28:44.840
<v Speaker 1>And so when all this came to the public, it

0:28:45.000 --> 0:28:47.680
<v Speaker 1>was I mean one the jokes, I mean they was

0:28:47.760 --> 0:28:52.200
<v Speaker 1>going in on the different memes and the skits and

0:28:52.280 --> 0:28:54.920
<v Speaker 1>all of that pulled his whole family into it. All

0:28:55.000 --> 0:28:58.520
<v Speaker 1>that right, and it's like, okay, yeah, we should state,

0:28:58.560 --> 0:29:00.320
<v Speaker 1>we should hold people accountable and state like, hey, what

0:29:00.320 --> 0:29:02.720
<v Speaker 1>you were doing, that's not right, you were misleading people,

0:29:02.720 --> 0:29:07.480
<v Speaker 1>blah blah whatever, and then okay, move on, don't if

0:29:07.520 --> 0:29:10.320
<v Speaker 1>you not right him. I'm not going to buy his products.

0:29:10.320 --> 0:29:12.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to support him, but I'm also not

0:29:12.160 --> 0:29:15.080
<v Speaker 1>going to take time out of my life right to

0:29:15.200 --> 0:29:18.800
<v Speaker 1>everyday comment on a post and say how dumb years

0:29:18.880 --> 0:29:20.440
<v Speaker 1>or how much I don't like him, like what is

0:29:21.280 --> 0:29:24.640
<v Speaker 1>what are we doing now? What is my life? Exactly?

0:29:24.960 --> 0:29:26.440
<v Speaker 1>So I think there has to be that balance because

0:29:26.440 --> 0:29:29.400
<v Speaker 1>people will go in I'll be like, oh, feel bad.

0:29:29.440 --> 0:29:32.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I think you know the other thing too

0:29:32.360 --> 0:29:37.680
<v Speaker 2>with that is you know there are people currently online

0:29:37.760 --> 0:29:45.040
<v Speaker 2>that like the Internet is coming form and on one hand,

0:29:45.920 --> 0:29:50.400
<v Speaker 2>they need to be held accountable. Right, but at what point?

0:29:51.840 --> 0:29:54.000
<v Speaker 2>Then this is part of what we wrestle with, right

0:29:54.080 --> 0:30:02.520
<v Speaker 2>as we are engaging with people, at what point do

0:30:02.560 --> 0:30:08.200
<v Speaker 2>we have empathy when the person is coming back, like

0:30:08.840 --> 0:30:14.640
<v Speaker 2>when the person is one not taking accountability and actually

0:30:14.680 --> 0:30:22.200
<v Speaker 2>like doubling down on the problematic behavior and then responding

0:30:22.360 --> 0:30:28.800
<v Speaker 2>with aggressiveness. Right, So I think then the question becomes, Okay, well,

0:30:28.840 --> 0:30:33.360
<v Speaker 2>at what point do we have empathy for this person

0:30:35.120 --> 0:30:39.840
<v Speaker 2>if that's their response when they're being held accountable for

0:30:39.880 --> 0:30:41.000
<v Speaker 2>their behavior.

0:30:41.320 --> 0:30:43.600
<v Speaker 1>That's a good question. I also think that depending on

0:30:43.640 --> 0:30:47.959
<v Speaker 1>what field you know people are in, like the accountability

0:30:48.080 --> 0:30:51.560
<v Speaker 1>is it's extremely important, right, Like I'm thinking, if you're agreed,

0:30:51.680 --> 0:30:54.400
<v Speaker 1>if you are a if you are a surgeon, Like

0:30:54.400 --> 0:30:59.280
<v Speaker 1>you're masquerating around like a surgeon and you're trying to

0:30:59.280 --> 0:31:02.760
<v Speaker 1>do work on someone's body and you're trying to do surgery, right,

0:31:03.240 --> 0:31:09.520
<v Speaker 1>and you're lying about that people need it. The young

0:31:10.680 --> 0:31:13.240
<v Speaker 1>in Florida, Yes, I can't remember all the details, but

0:31:13.320 --> 0:31:15.120
<v Speaker 1>I know the picture of him is like a picture

0:31:15.160 --> 0:31:18.640
<v Speaker 1>of him and posing like this, and it's like, okay,

0:31:18.760 --> 0:31:20.840
<v Speaker 1>you are literally putting people in harm's way. This is

0:31:20.880 --> 0:31:23.560
<v Speaker 1>this should be a live service announcement. Lives at risk,

0:31:23.760 --> 0:31:26.160
<v Speaker 1>there should be a public service announcement. Everyone needs to

0:31:26.160 --> 0:31:29.800
<v Speaker 1>be aware of this to inform the public right, right, and.

0:31:29.840 --> 0:31:34.320
<v Speaker 2>Not in a humiliating not to humiliate the person who's

0:31:34.360 --> 0:31:37.239
<v Speaker 2>impersonating a doctor by the way, that is and that

0:31:37.360 --> 0:31:42.920
<v Speaker 2>is illegal, like not to not to humiliate them, yeah,

0:31:43.680 --> 0:31:46.400
<v Speaker 2>but to protect the public.

0:31:46.680 --> 0:31:49.400
<v Speaker 1>To protect the public. At the same time, the question

0:31:49.440 --> 0:31:53.160
<v Speaker 1>is like this public shame does it really create transformation? Right,

0:31:53.160 --> 0:31:54.560
<v Speaker 1>because some people people are going to be who they're

0:31:54.560 --> 0:31:56.240
<v Speaker 1>going to be. So for the instance that you were

0:31:56.280 --> 0:31:58.960
<v Speaker 1>talking about dom, if someone takes accountability and like, you

0:31:58.960 --> 0:32:01.160
<v Speaker 1>know what, I messed up, it's easier to be like,

0:32:01.200 --> 0:32:03.800
<v Speaker 1>you know what, I'll fuck with you. Like you admitted

0:32:03.840 --> 0:32:06.400
<v Speaker 1>you were wrong what you did. You was on some bullshit,

0:32:06.480 --> 0:32:09.560
<v Speaker 1>but I forgive you. Like you're taking accountability. I respect that,

0:32:09.640 --> 0:32:14.360
<v Speaker 1>like it puts meins exactly. We can rebuild the trust.

0:32:14.560 --> 0:32:17.040
<v Speaker 1>But when you, like you said, when someone's doubling down again, y'all,

0:32:17.040 --> 0:32:19.840
<v Speaker 1>we're not trying to be messy and dramatic, but like,

0:32:20.040 --> 0:32:22.800
<v Speaker 1>we all see what's happening in the world around this time,

0:32:22.840 --> 0:32:25.120
<v Speaker 1>so it's like, Okay, let's have a conversation about it

0:32:25.160 --> 0:32:27.720
<v Speaker 1>in an at tactful way. And it's like if someone

0:32:27.840 --> 0:32:31.000
<v Speaker 1>is doubling down and they're being nasty and they're showed

0:32:31.080 --> 0:32:33.600
<v Speaker 1>up in this way, I think that that gives us

0:32:33.600 --> 0:32:35.800
<v Speaker 1>an opportunity to say, Okay, how do I want to

0:32:35.840 --> 0:32:38.320
<v Speaker 1>engage with this brand with this person based on that?

0:32:38.400 --> 0:32:39.760
<v Speaker 1>Do I want to block them so I don't see

0:32:39.760 --> 0:32:41.840
<v Speaker 1>this shit anymore? Do I want to make sure that

0:32:41.880 --> 0:32:44.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm not buying any of their product services? And if

0:32:44.200 --> 0:32:46.000
<v Speaker 1>I have someone in my life who's like, oh, I'm

0:32:46.000 --> 0:32:48.280
<v Speaker 1>thinking about doing this or working with this person, maybe

0:32:48.320 --> 0:32:49.960
<v Speaker 1>I just have a conversation like you know what, you

0:32:50.080 --> 0:32:52.720
<v Speaker 1>know this happened, do your research again. That doesn't mean

0:32:52.760 --> 0:32:55.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm going online where you're posting everything sharing, because the

0:32:55.560 --> 0:32:58.360
<v Speaker 1>message got out there, like people know what had happened,

0:32:58.680 --> 0:33:01.440
<v Speaker 1>and now it's like, Okay, what's next. So there's other

0:33:01.480 --> 0:33:03.360
<v Speaker 1>things in the world that we can spend our time

0:33:03.400 --> 0:33:05.880
<v Speaker 1>and energy on that are probably more productive now that

0:33:06.000 --> 0:33:08.360
<v Speaker 1>the world knows. Right, If that makes sense, I.

0:33:08.400 --> 0:33:11.040
<v Speaker 2>Hate exactly exactly, and so I think that takes us

0:33:11.120 --> 0:33:16.760
<v Speaker 2>to the next phase, right, is the reconciliation and forgiveness peace.

0:33:17.080 --> 0:33:25.040
<v Speaker 2>Right now, the question is do we forgive? And I

0:33:25.120 --> 0:33:30.840
<v Speaker 2>think it depends on the scenario. So to that example

0:33:30.880 --> 0:33:35.200
<v Speaker 2>that we just brought up, If you aren't admitting, you

0:33:35.360 --> 0:33:41.240
<v Speaker 2>aren't taking accountability, right, yeah, am I gonna forgive you.

0:33:41.840 --> 0:33:45.480
<v Speaker 2>I may be able to forgive you, but I'm not

0:33:45.560 --> 0:33:51.800
<v Speaker 2>supporting you anymore. Yeah, I'm not like you said, like

0:33:51.880 --> 0:33:55.320
<v Speaker 2>you noted before, I'm probably gonna block all of your content,

0:33:55.400 --> 0:33:57.560
<v Speaker 2>like I'm gonna not follow you, like I'm not taking

0:33:57.600 --> 0:34:02.719
<v Speaker 2>in your content anymore. And if someone brings your name up,

0:34:02.880 --> 0:34:06.320
<v Speaker 2>I probably will let them know, Hey, I don't think

0:34:06.400 --> 0:34:10.120
<v Speaker 2>this person is trustworthy. I don't know if you necessarily

0:34:10.200 --> 0:34:13.920
<v Speaker 2>you might want to do some more research before you

0:34:14.520 --> 0:34:18.200
<v Speaker 2>decide to support them. Yeah, because I'm also big on

0:34:18.280 --> 0:34:20.080
<v Speaker 2>people making decisions for themselves.

0:34:20.360 --> 0:34:20.680
<v Speaker 1>For sure.

0:34:20.800 --> 0:34:23.640
<v Speaker 2>You ask me my opinion, I'm going to give it. Yeah,

0:34:23.719 --> 0:34:27.560
<v Speaker 2>but I'm also going to advocate for you to research

0:34:27.640 --> 0:34:28.320
<v Speaker 2>for yourself.

0:34:28.960 --> 0:34:32.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, No, I think that's a good point. And

0:34:32.040 --> 0:34:34.600
<v Speaker 1>I feel like in situations like that, we're going back

0:34:34.640 --> 0:34:37.439
<v Speaker 1>to the trustworthiness. If someone if you can't be held

0:34:37.480 --> 0:34:41.960
<v Speaker 1>accountable and you're not able to admit when you are wrong.

0:34:42.120 --> 0:34:43.960
<v Speaker 1>It just kind of question. It makes you question other

0:34:44.080 --> 0:34:47.920
<v Speaker 1>aspects of your life, how you're showing up, what you're

0:34:47.960 --> 0:34:51.560
<v Speaker 1>advising people you know, and so yeah, it's it's definitely

0:34:51.560 --> 0:34:55.319
<v Speaker 1>a lot to consider, right, So yeah, I don't ask

0:34:55.360 --> 0:34:55.880
<v Speaker 1>the questions.

0:34:56.800 --> 0:34:59.920
<v Speaker 2>But I think also that that work in this examp.

0:35:00.000 --> 0:35:01.840
<v Speaker 2>But we're talking about somebody that we see.

0:35:01.800 --> 0:35:03.759
<v Speaker 1>On online, right, yeah?

0:35:03.960 --> 0:35:08.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but what do we do if it's someone that

0:35:08.680 --> 0:35:12.719
<v Speaker 2>we know in real life, right, that we interact with

0:35:12.960 --> 0:35:15.239
<v Speaker 2>on a day to day basis, or maybe not day

0:35:15.239 --> 0:35:16.719
<v Speaker 2>to day basis, but this is a person that we

0:35:16.880 --> 0:35:18.600
<v Speaker 2>interact with in real life.

0:35:18.520 --> 0:35:22.080
<v Speaker 1>And taking accountability? Is that right?

0:35:22.440 --> 0:35:28.520
<v Speaker 2>They're yeah, they aren't taking accountability. They're doubling down, they're

0:35:28.640 --> 0:35:33.080
<v Speaker 2>not seeing where or they're refusing to acknowledge where the

0:35:33.200 --> 0:35:38.200
<v Speaker 2>impact of their actions. What do we do?

0:35:39.080 --> 0:35:42.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know. What do you have something in mind?

0:35:42.040 --> 0:35:42.080
<v Speaker 2>Like?

0:35:42.560 --> 0:35:44.759
<v Speaker 1>What would you like if someone I guess it's situational.

0:35:44.840 --> 0:35:47.080
<v Speaker 1>It depends on how serious the thing is. But honestly,

0:35:47.200 --> 0:35:49.439
<v Speaker 1>just as you were stating that, I'm like, I don't

0:35:49.440 --> 0:35:51.680
<v Speaker 1>really want to be full on with somebody who Like,

0:35:51.880 --> 0:35:55.239
<v Speaker 1>that's a big relational turnoff to me, Like you can't, Yeah,

0:35:55.360 --> 0:35:57.440
<v Speaker 1>you can't just admit that and you know, we all

0:35:57.600 --> 0:36:00.840
<v Speaker 1>know we know you is wrong. You can't admit that

0:36:01.120 --> 0:36:01.760
<v Speaker 1>like ow.

0:36:02.000 --> 0:36:06.640
<v Speaker 2>Wow, yeah, Like like I get that. Maybe okay, at

0:36:06.760 --> 0:36:10.040
<v Speaker 2>first you might be taken aback and you might not

0:36:10.120 --> 0:36:14.800
<v Speaker 2>take accountability initially in that moment, right, But at some point,

0:36:15.040 --> 0:36:17.719
<v Speaker 2>if this is a like if this is a relationship

0:36:17.800 --> 0:36:20.640
<v Speaker 2>that you have with someone that is important to you,

0:36:22.480 --> 0:36:27.279
<v Speaker 2>at some point you can pause. You can you can

0:36:27.360 --> 0:36:30.520
<v Speaker 2>circle back and revisit and say, you know what, my bad.

0:36:31.760 --> 0:36:35.560
<v Speaker 2>If you struggle with saying the words i'm sorry, I mean,

0:36:35.640 --> 0:36:38.640
<v Speaker 2>that's something to work on. But if you if you're

0:36:38.719 --> 0:36:44.360
<v Speaker 2>aware that you did fuck up, like now you're like

0:36:45.760 --> 0:36:48.600
<v Speaker 2>the person pointed it out to you, you initially was

0:36:48.680 --> 0:36:51.880
<v Speaker 2>like nah, you said with it, and now you're aware

0:36:52.080 --> 0:36:52.920
<v Speaker 2>that oh.

0:36:52.840 --> 0:36:54.560
<v Speaker 1>Wait, yeah I did. Oh shit.

0:36:55.640 --> 0:36:59.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's okay to circle back and say, you know what,

0:37:00.280 --> 0:37:03.439
<v Speaker 2>my bad. That was kind of fucked up on my part.

0:37:04.560 --> 0:37:07.600
<v Speaker 2>And I think I have more space for the person

0:37:07.680 --> 0:37:12.960
<v Speaker 2>who's willing to circle back. Yeah, because to me, that

0:37:13.120 --> 0:37:19.399
<v Speaker 2>says that you're that you're open to growing. Yeah, for sure,

0:37:19.560 --> 0:37:24.279
<v Speaker 2>that initially you might not have it, really might. You

0:37:24.640 --> 0:37:28.920
<v Speaker 2>might have missed it. But if you're able to circle

0:37:29.040 --> 0:37:33.239
<v Speaker 2>back and say, you know what, you were right, I

0:37:33.360 --> 0:37:36.600
<v Speaker 2>did mess up, I'm willing to work. I'm willing to

0:37:36.640 --> 0:37:37.480
<v Speaker 2>work with that person.

0:37:38.080 --> 0:37:41.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that makes sense. These are such tricky scenarios. I'm

0:37:41.760 --> 0:37:43.960
<v Speaker 1>thinking about situations too. You ever have a situation where

0:37:44.000 --> 0:37:46.560
<v Speaker 1>you both just honestly see different like you just see

0:37:46.600 --> 0:37:49.239
<v Speaker 1>it differently, and man, they don't think they made a mistake, right,

0:37:49.280 --> 0:37:51.800
<v Speaker 1>So I'm thinking about instances where like we know that

0:37:52.080 --> 0:37:54.640
<v Speaker 1>like you was wrong, your ass is wrong, and so

0:37:54.920 --> 0:37:57.000
<v Speaker 1>thinking about that when it comes to the forgiveness aspect,

0:37:57.040 --> 0:37:58.960
<v Speaker 1>it's also important for us to remember that forgiveness and

0:37:59.040 --> 0:38:03.760
<v Speaker 1>access are not the same thing. Right, you can forgive

0:38:04.120 --> 0:38:06.399
<v Speaker 1>and then still set boundaries because if someone is going

0:38:06.480 --> 0:38:08.759
<v Speaker 1>to show up in that way, it's just it's a

0:38:08.840 --> 0:38:11.080
<v Speaker 1>red flag in my opinion, like if you can't take

0:38:11.120 --> 0:38:13.839
<v Speaker 1>accountability or admit that you were wrong, especially if you're

0:38:13.840 --> 0:38:15.960
<v Speaker 1>wrong someone that's close to you, and you know, we're

0:38:16.160 --> 0:38:18.719
<v Speaker 1>not talking about the parasocial relationships here, but it's like, Okay,

0:38:18.719 --> 0:38:20.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to set a boundaries, so maybe I'm not

0:38:20.239 --> 0:38:23.520
<v Speaker 1>going to do a certain activity with you or or

0:38:23.640 --> 0:38:25.160
<v Speaker 1>share certain things with you. Now, I don't know why

0:38:25.200 --> 0:38:27.680
<v Speaker 1>I was thinking about a Monopoly game, probably because we

0:38:27.760 --> 0:38:29.920
<v Speaker 1>talked about it recently. I was talking about Monopoly, and

0:38:30.160 --> 0:38:32.279
<v Speaker 1>all right, let's say you're playing with your friend or

0:38:32.360 --> 0:38:34.040
<v Speaker 1>you're you know, you're with the homies, and you play

0:38:34.080 --> 0:38:36.600
<v Speaker 1>Monopoly and the somebody's cheating in the game, and you

0:38:36.760 --> 0:38:39.040
<v Speaker 1>know what, they cheating and they keep lying saying they're

0:38:39.040 --> 0:38:41.480
<v Speaker 1>not cheating. It's like, bro, Like that's annoying, Like why

0:38:41.520 --> 0:38:42.880
<v Speaker 1>are you doing this? So it's like not that the

0:38:42.960 --> 0:38:44.960
<v Speaker 1>friendship is going to end, but like maybe I'm just

0:38:45.040 --> 0:38:47.080
<v Speaker 1>like my boundaries. I'm not playing Monopoly with Joe as

0:38:47.160 --> 0:38:48.719
<v Speaker 1>no more. You know what I mean? Exactly, We're not

0:38:48.800 --> 0:38:49.080
<v Speaker 1>doing that.

0:38:49.200 --> 0:38:55.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. Like that means that I cannot trust you

0:38:55.840 --> 0:38:58.240
<v Speaker 2>in the Monopoly game, right, And so then that brings

0:38:58.320 --> 0:39:01.840
<v Speaker 2>up another point, right, that they're there may be trust

0:39:01.880 --> 0:39:06.520
<v Speaker 2>is also can be a nuanced piece, and that there

0:39:06.640 --> 0:39:12.880
<v Speaker 2>may be situations in general I trust you, right, but

0:39:13.000 --> 0:39:17.560
<v Speaker 2>there may be certain situations in which I can't trust you.

0:39:19.640 --> 0:39:21.920
<v Speaker 2>That doesn't mean that I don't that I'm gonna not

0:39:22.080 --> 0:39:24.000
<v Speaker 2>be your friend, not be in your life at all

0:39:25.719 --> 0:39:31.480
<v Speaker 2>because I can trust you in general. Yeah, so the

0:39:31.560 --> 0:39:35.120
<v Speaker 2>Monopoly game. To me, monopoly game is a low stakes

0:39:35.200 --> 0:39:40.360
<v Speaker 2>thing that I can't trust you to play Monopoly without

0:39:40.480 --> 0:39:43.839
<v Speaker 2>cheating because maybe that's how you grew up as a kid.

0:39:43.920 --> 0:39:45.440
<v Speaker 2>That was a thing that y'all did. Whatever, there may

0:39:45.520 --> 0:39:49.440
<v Speaker 2>be some context behind it, right, Okay, Yeah, but if

0:39:49.480 --> 0:39:53.120
<v Speaker 2>I can trust you, if you have demonstrated that I

0:39:53.200 --> 0:40:01.000
<v Speaker 2>can trust you in larger things, then all right, we're

0:40:01.040 --> 0:40:03.080
<v Speaker 2>just not gonna play Monopoly together anymore.

0:40:03.560 --> 0:40:05.840
<v Speaker 1>What's high stakes for you? Don bre something we'd be like,

0:40:05.880 --> 0:40:07.680
<v Speaker 1>all right, this shit right here? You bugging like?

0:40:09.080 --> 0:40:14.320
<v Speaker 2>So for me, high stakes is more emotional, emotionally vulnerable things,

0:40:15.680 --> 0:40:19.200
<v Speaker 2>right if I had a kid or yeah, so emotionally

0:40:19.320 --> 0:40:22.200
<v Speaker 2>vulnerable things and then other risks where other people's lives

0:40:22.239 --> 0:40:27.560
<v Speaker 2>are involved. If I had a kid and I needed you,

0:40:27.920 --> 0:40:31.919
<v Speaker 2>I generally trusted you to watch my kid. I'm gonna

0:40:31.920 --> 0:40:33.359
<v Speaker 2>be sure to tell you you're not teaching my child

0:40:33.400 --> 0:40:37.840
<v Speaker 2>how to play monopoly, but in general, I trust you

0:40:37.920 --> 0:40:39.880
<v Speaker 2>to babysit my kid. Like you're one of the trusted

0:40:39.920 --> 0:40:44.319
<v Speaker 2>people in my kid's life. Yeah, Like, if you mess

0:40:44.480 --> 0:40:48.560
<v Speaker 2>that up, if you do something, then that makes me say,

0:40:50.000 --> 0:40:54.440
<v Speaker 2>I can't trust you to watch my child. That's higher

0:40:54.680 --> 0:40:57.000
<v Speaker 2>risk to me, Like, if I can't trust you to

0:40:57.080 --> 0:40:59.920
<v Speaker 2>watch my child, then chances are you're not gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>in my life anyway, right, that's higher risk.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that makes sense. I was thinking of like financial

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<v Speaker 1>things or like some about that. Like if you're a

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<v Speaker 1>friend and you're like, oh, I want I gave you

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<v Speaker 1>some bread, you went to the store, you spend money

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<v Speaker 1>on something, and then you're like, oh, this is the change,

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<v Speaker 1>and like you know, it's just things like that where

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<v Speaker 1>it's like this is a this is this is a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more high risk. So no, that that's good.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think, like we said before, mistakes are normally

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<v Speaker 1>we all make mistakes, right, and some mistakes revealed humanity,

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<v Speaker 1>whereas others reveal patterns. And I think the biggest point

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<v Speaker 1>of our conversation here is like look at the patterns.

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<v Speaker 1>Look for the patterns in your in your life and

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<v Speaker 1>your real life, but also in the parasocial relationships. When

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<v Speaker 1>you start to see someone act a certain way or

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<v Speaker 1>show up a certain way, or they're showcasing values or

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<v Speaker 1>perspectives that maybe don't resonate with you, it's like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I need to question my my interactions with this right so.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think it's important too, particularly around these parasocial relationships.

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<v Speaker 2>Because of the age of social media, people tend to

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<v Speaker 2>be it seems to be more visible. We all have

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<v Speaker 2>access to how people are responding to their parasocial relationships.

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<v Speaker 2>Right Like, you know, pre social media, if your favorite

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<v Speaker 2>celebrity was doing something that you didn't like, how were

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<v Speaker 2>you supposed to let them know? Yeah, maybe you didn't

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<v Speaker 2>watch their movie anymore, maybe you stop buying their music.

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<v Speaker 2>But now, if your favorite celebrity is doing something you

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<v Speaker 2>don't like, you know, Twitter fingers, We're on their social

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<v Speaker 2>media page leaving nasty comments and so. And because if

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<v Speaker 2>you had this relationship para social relationship with your favorite

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<v Speaker 2>content creator or celebrity, because of the social media connection

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<v Speaker 2>connections and the amount of content that people put out there,

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<v Speaker 2>you may feel that emotional connection may feel more intense

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<v Speaker 2>because it feels like a deeper connection versus again, pre

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<v Speaker 2>social media, we got a few glimpses into people's lives

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<v Speaker 2>here and there, like they did you know, Evan or

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<v Speaker 2>Essence would do an interview and you get this full

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<v Speaker 2>this full spread on behind the scenes of this person's life,

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<v Speaker 2>the curator for the magazine behind the scenes of this

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<v Speaker 2>person's life. Okay, and now on social media they get

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<v Speaker 2>to the person, the artist gets to curate in real

0:43:56.400 --> 0:44:02.200
<v Speaker 2>time what they want you to see. And if they're

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<v Speaker 2>doing something that you don't like, now all of a sudden, again,

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<v Speaker 2>like I said, you get to be you get to

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<v Speaker 2>be in their comments section, right, and then it could

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<v Speaker 2>be going back to what we said about cancel culture.

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<v Speaker 2>If enough people don't like what they see, then everybody

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<v Speaker 2>is taking it personal. And now this person, this artist

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<v Speaker 2>may end up being canceled for something that sometimes is

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<v Speaker 2>not a huge risk.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a good point. And so people should have

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<v Speaker 1>room to grow, right, And we talked about accountability. Sometimes

0:44:43.640 --> 0:44:47.600
<v Speaker 1>accountability requires a bit of education. People should have room

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<v Speaker 1>to grow and evolve publicly, and we should allow people

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<v Speaker 1>to transform. So sometimes you may have to stop, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>following someone and they may check up on them because

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<v Speaker 1>they're like they might used to like that person's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of let me see what they up to, let me

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<v Speaker 1>see what they want. Have they grown because we grow?

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<v Speaker 2>Girl?

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<v Speaker 1>We how's this podcast? Yes, we've been this podcast for

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<v Speaker 1>seven it's about to hit eight years in July or

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<v Speaker 1>in July, and we are not the same people we

0:45:10.640 --> 0:45:12.800
<v Speaker 1>were when we first started the show, you know. And

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<v Speaker 1>so it's like giving people room to grow and remembering

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<v Speaker 1>that your name carries energy before you into a room,

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<v Speaker 1>and eventually who you are will matter more than how

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<v Speaker 1>impressive you looked online or even just from the outside

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<v Speaker 1>right like I'm seeing you superficially.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, And reputation can change, like we said before, reputation

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<v Speaker 2>can change, but character is the thing that's generally constant

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<v Speaker 2>in us.

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