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Speaker 2: Who's Tonight. You're at the volume. Happy Wensday, everybody, hope
Speaker 2: all you guys are having a great week. Well, this
Speaker 2: is our second. We haven't done this since the Victor
Speaker 2: Women Yama Draft, The Nerd Sash guys. If you guys remember,
Speaker 2: this is our second NBA Draft live show that we've
Speaker 2: done since I've come here to Hoops Tonight. We brought
Speaker 2: together a group of hoopheads, good friends of mine, all
Speaker 2: guys that love the NBA, that cover the NBA for
Speaker 2: a living. Obviously, you guys know Jackson from the show
Speaker 2: and then Carson and Logan from nerd sech are joining
Speaker 2: us tonight. We're going to be talking as the draft
Speaker 2: goes along. We're gonna be covering some other big picture
Speaker 2: topics around the NBA, like the recent trades at the
Speaker 2: Boston Celtics have made some rumors about stuff going on
Speaker 2: with the Philadelphia seventy six ers, with the Los Angeles Lakers.
Speaker 2: We're going to talk about some big picture topics surrounding
Speaker 2: the draft, and that's where I want to get started
Speaker 2: tonight as we kick over to Carson and Logan, I
Speaker 2: am this draft is loaded with a bunch of interesting storylines. Obviously,
Speaker 2: we have Boston already shedding a bunch of salary they
Speaker 2: could potentially be looking to make more deals tonight. We
Speaker 2: have the Oklahoma City Thunder who have just won the
Speaker 2: championship and are allegedly aggressively pursuing moves to move up
Speaker 2: in the draft, and they have the ability to add talent.
Speaker 2: We've got picks that have already been traded, all sorts
Speaker 2: of interesting stuff. Let's start with you, Carson, who is
Speaker 2: the most interesting team in this draft for you? Tonight?
Speaker 3: There's some good ones. I kind of think that you
Speaker 3: have to look at the team that just has an
Speaker 3: insane amount of picks, though, and that's the Brooklyn Nets.
Speaker 3: I mean, it is exceedingly rare that you see a
Speaker 3: team walk into draft day with five first rounders. I
Speaker 3: can't think of a time that we've ever actually seen
Speaker 3: a team pick five times in the first round. So
Speaker 3: whether or not they stand and pick in all these
Speaker 3: spots remains to be seen. But regardless, like this is
Speaker 3: probably a more important night for them in their franchise
Speaker 3: trajectory than anybody else because you look at the current
Speaker 3: state of their roster and like, their two best assets
Speaker 3: are two guys who it feels like everybody's been presuming
Speaker 3: they try to trade in Nick Claxon and Cam Johnson
Speaker 3: because they just don't totally align with the timeline camp.
Speaker 3: Thomas is obviously very talented, but he's in that archetype
Speaker 3: of like low efficiency, non defending, mediocre playmaking guard that
Speaker 3: you generally don't want to build around. So it feels
Speaker 3: like this is it. This is an opportunity for them
Speaker 3: to get some actual, maybe cornerstone talents in. But their
Speaker 3: highest pick right now is eight, So do they package
Speaker 3: some of those picks in the later first round nineteen
Speaker 3: twenty two, twenty six, twenty seven to try to move up,
Speaker 3: or do they just say we're gonna put a bunch
Speaker 3: of shots up today and just try to add a
Speaker 3: bunch of young talent to our roster. Regardless, I think
Speaker 3: that this is like a defining night for their rebuild,
Speaker 3: and I'm very interested in where they go.
Speaker 2: I also think there's just a lot of guys in
Speaker 2: this middle portion of the draft that fill roughly similar archetypes,
Speaker 2: and some guys that I feel like if you were
Speaker 2: to trade back and in this case a team that
Speaker 2: would do business with Brooklyn, I think you could find
Speaker 2: some pretty similar talents as you go further back in
Speaker 2: the draft as well. So it's kind of set up
Speaker 2: well for them in that regard. Logan any NETS takes
Speaker 2: or any other team that you're particularly interested in tonight.
Speaker 1: Honestly, if I'm the Nets, I'm going volume shooter mode.
Speaker 1: Dion Waiters, I think I'm just gonna, yeah, see what happens.
Speaker 1: I mean, They've got a ton of roster spots open.
Speaker 1: That's the other interesting part of them having all these
Speaker 1: picks is they actually have the roster spots to keep
Speaker 1: all of them. My most interesting team is probably the
Speaker 1: San Antonio Spurs just because of what they did this offseason. Well,
Speaker 1: in the regular season, they acquire Dearon Fox, but they've
Speaker 1: kind of found themselves in a really lucky spot to
Speaker 1: be picking number two because I think everybody's talking about
Speaker 1: Cooper Flagg going one to Dallas. Dallas was also very
Speaker 1: lucky in getting that pick, but san Antonio has found
Speaker 1: themselves in an opportunity to draft Dylan Harper, who I
Speaker 1: think is going to be better than Dearon Fox when
Speaker 1: he reaches his peak and should be the guard that
Speaker 1: san Antonio builds around for the future with this new
Speaker 1: timeline with Wemby. But they don't just have the second pick.
Speaker 1: They also have the fourteenth pick at the end of
Speaker 1: the lottery, which I think is really fascinating. You know,
Speaker 1: they could add two more players that fit this new
Speaker 1: timeline with Wemby, and it's just interesting, right You think
Speaker 1: they accelerate their timeline by going out and getting a
Speaker 1: guy like Fox. So do they still go with Dylan Harper?
Speaker 1: I personally think it would be a mistake passing up
Speaker 1: on him with the number two pick, but they've got
Speaker 1: an opportunity to add some new young talent to a
Speaker 1: team that is looking to be competitive and potentially in
Speaker 1: the playoffs next season. So I'm really interested to see
Speaker 1: what the Spurs do tonight.
Speaker 2: Let's stick around on San Antonio for a second, because
Speaker 2: this concept with Dylan Harper is super fascinating to me,
Speaker 2: because you know, Dylan, you know, after we all just
Speaker 2: watched a big scoring guard that no one can keep
Speaker 2: from getting to the rim, just lead a team to
Speaker 2: a championship surrounded by mainly defensive talent and getting you know,
Speaker 2: kind of inconsistent offensive support throughout the postseason. We just
Speaker 2: saw that work. We've seen that concept work, and the
Speaker 2: idea behind Dylan Harper makes a lot of sense to me.
Speaker 2: But we also know that he's got some question marks
Speaker 2: specifically surrounding the jump shot, whether whether or not that
Speaker 2: releasing to be refined quickened up a little bit to
Speaker 2: turn into something that he can actually use as a
Speaker 2: counter to his downhill force. And I look at the
Speaker 2: Spurs at large, and Victor Webbin Yama presents this predicament
Speaker 2: because he's ready to contend right now. He's ready to
Speaker 2: compete for championships right now. And so with that being
Speaker 2: the case, how do you actually go about balancing the
Speaker 2: timeline here, because when you look at Deer and Fox,
Speaker 2: when you look at some of the role player talent,
Speaker 2: how do you make this all work? Like, what would
Speaker 2: you do if you're san Antonio? In that case, I
Speaker 2: would just prioritize the best talent. I think that that's
Speaker 2: Dylan Harper. Like I do agree with you. You want
Speaker 2: to prioritize this short term window, but you also need
Speaker 2: to prioritize the long term window. And your move to
Speaker 2: prioritize the short term window was going out there and
Speaker 2: getting dearon Fox. So for the short term, yeah, that
Speaker 2: is the guy who is apparently going to get you
Speaker 2: into these playoff conversations. Obviously, the Spurs aren't going to
Speaker 2: contend without dramatic roster improvements. But like Logan said, I
Speaker 2: just think the talent is too good to pass up on,
Speaker 2: and he's not perfect. You mentioned some of the questions
Speaker 2: about the outside shot, the pull up shooting, but like
Speaker 2: to find a guy who gets to the rim at
Speaker 2: the rate he does, who gets to the line at
Speaker 2: the rate he does, who makes sixty eight percent of
Speaker 2: his shots at the rim, and then is also such
Speaker 2: a gifted passer and has the measurables that he does
Speaker 2: at like almost six' five with a six y ten wings.
Speaker 2: SPAN i just think there is so much ability there
Speaker 2: that's sort of like dominant downhill guard is so supremely,
Speaker 2: valuable especially to pair alongside a stretch big like A
Speaker 2: wemby and a guy who can manufacture some more looks
Speaker 2: around the rim For wemby two with his interior. Passing
Speaker 2: that's WHERE i lean on the side of just get
Speaker 2: the guy you think can be an actual cornerstone for
Speaker 2: you long, term BECAUSE i don't really think The Aaron
Speaker 2: fox is. THAT i think he's very, good but he's
Speaker 2: like not a top thirty player right. Now Dylan harper
Speaker 2: is a guy, Who, yeah it's always gonna be less
Speaker 2: of a known commodity when you're talking about drafting a,
Speaker 2: prospect but the ceiling is higher. There SO i wouldn't
Speaker 2: concern myself too much with the timeline because what's the
Speaker 2: move that they're gonna make that's really gonna accelerate this
Speaker 2: timeline other than like A yannis, trade which that's not gonna.
Speaker 3: Happen it doesn't look.
Speaker 2: Like, well that's the key is there's no urgency to
Speaker 2: actually make that decision tonight as we have our number
Speaker 2: one pick actually coming in as we. SPEAK i the
Speaker 2: you can absolutely Take Dylan harper into camp and then be, like,
Speaker 2: oh he's four or five years away from being ready
Speaker 2: to play, real, serious winning. Basketball we have to look
Speaker 2: to move, him or you can bring him in and go, like,
Speaker 2: Eh darin's kind of struggling as a fit with. This,
Speaker 2: Anyway dylan's playing pretty. Well let's make some move to
Speaker 2: try to to balance more towards the younger side of.
Speaker 2: Things and that's the thing is that it's the talent
Speaker 2: play within the. Draft i'm more just looking in the
Speaker 2: future whether or not that's a pivot they're going to
Speaker 2: have to. Make. Well Cooper flag is officially A Dallas.
Speaker 2: MAVERICK i am particularly, excited even though this roster makes
Speaker 2: a whole lot of no sense at this point in
Speaker 2: terms of imbalance and the lack of ball handling and
Speaker 2: the five starting players that could all play at the
Speaker 2: four or the. Five but the biggest thing That i'm
Speaker 2: most excited about With Cooper flag is just watching him
Speaker 2: play defense Alongside Anthony. DAVIS i think one of the
Speaker 2: most unique things About cooper flag is that he's basically
Speaker 2: closer to his ceiling than the vast majority of eighteen
Speaker 2: year olds that you'll ever encounter playing, basketball and he
Speaker 2: is kind of uniquely equipped to be a number one
Speaker 2: overall pick for a team Like. Dallas BECAUSE i was
Speaker 2: actually talking about this on the radio earlier. Today you
Speaker 2: look at these guys that come into the, draft Like Jonathan,
Speaker 2: minga and it's, like, man he just desperately needs to
Speaker 2: go somewhere he can be bad and like slowly learn
Speaker 2: how to play basketball at his own. Pace if you
Speaker 2: did that To, cooper he would go, insane like he
Speaker 2: would he couldn't go be bad for a long. Time
Speaker 2: that's Not he is ready to play, competitive winning basketball
Speaker 2: in a dead serious environment right. Now AND i think
Speaker 2: that that lines up pretty well with What Nico harrison
Speaker 2: is trying to. Do and So i'm particularly, excited even
Speaker 2: if it looks a little clunky at, first and even
Speaker 2: if they end up having to make some roster balancing,
Speaker 2: Trades i'm super. Excited in one of the unique pieces
Speaker 2: of The Kyrie irving injury is it kind of buys
Speaker 2: a little time early in the season to lean Into
Speaker 2: Cooper moore as a ball, handler WHICH i think is
Speaker 2: something that is still even an area of opportunity For
Speaker 2: cooper to get. Better AND i think it's just such
Speaker 2: natural feel for the. Game it's just Something i'm super excited.
Speaker 2: About let's kick To jackson for a. Second, jackson what
Speaker 2: are your thoughts On cooper going to The Dallas.
Speaker 4: MAVERICKS i think that HE i think for the short
Speaker 4: term it's definitely a little awkward the fact that they HAVE. Pj,
Speaker 4: Washing Cooper, Flag Anthony, Davis Daniel, gaffard And Derek, lively
Speaker 4: and you're presumably only getting three of those guys on
Speaker 4: the court at the same. Time but long term it's.
Speaker 4: AWESOME i, Mean i'm extremely as high On Cooper flags
Speaker 4: as everybody else. SAYS i do think his best position
Speaker 4: eventually will be power, Forward so that is kind of,
Speaker 4: like how quickly does that happen for them on that
Speaker 4: roster IS i think a big question BECAUSE i you,
Speaker 4: know both because, offensively his at least for right, now
Speaker 4: his jumper is probably his worst, quality and it's not
Speaker 4: even that, bad but it's probably his worst quality offensively and,
Speaker 4: DEFENSIVELY i think you want him as more of a
Speaker 4: roamer playmaker, type which you probably won't be able to
Speaker 4: have to do if he's guarding small. Forwards so that's
Speaker 4: sort of the only, like when does that pivot? HAPPEN
Speaker 4: i think is the only sort of question For dallas
Speaker 4: and for his. Development BUT i completely agree that he.
Speaker 4: Is it's crazy how ready he. Is it seems like
Speaker 4: how ready he is considering that he also moved up
Speaker 4: a Great like it's one thing to be ready as
Speaker 4: a three year college, player even as a freshman who
Speaker 4: was sort of one of those like twenty year old.
Speaker 4: Rookies right he is a child basically as. Eighteen he
Speaker 4: should not even be in THE nba this coming, season
Speaker 4: and he it feels, like by all, accounts he's going
Speaker 4: to be ready to make an impact right. Away oh,
Speaker 4: YEAH i H.
Speaker 2: I that's specifically a trait that we've noticed With cooper
Speaker 2: over the course of the last three or four. Years
Speaker 2: it's just every time you put him into a higher leverage,
Speaker 2: situation he's like the dude who gets promoted into jobs
Speaker 2: that he's not theoretically ready, for but like he just
Speaker 2: ends up owning it and leaning into it and kicking.
Speaker 2: Ass like he's just he's been putting a bunch of
Speaker 2: really tough. Spots he like straight up competed WITH nba
Speaker 2: players over the summer in The olympics. Prep i've been
Speaker 2: super super impressed by. Him, logan what are your thoughts
Speaker 2: On Cooper flag To.
Speaker 1: DALLAS i want to touch on some of The jackson
Speaker 1: just Mentioned with their roster, CONSTRUCTION i Think dallas is
Speaker 1: in a really enviable. Position you, know you're talking about
Speaker 1: that kind of clogged up front cork That dallas, has
Speaker 1: and we're talking about them not having ball handlers one
Speaker 1: which you just Mentioned. JASON i think it's going to
Speaker 1: be really good For cooper and his development just to
Speaker 1: get those reps in that experience as a primary ball
Speaker 1: handler where he wouldn't AND i think he's going to
Speaker 1: fit in seamless as an off ball scorer once that
Speaker 1: opportunity presents. Itself but there's never a problem having this
Speaker 1: much talent because Ultimately dallas gets to flip these guys
Speaker 1: for whatever they. WANT i think the long term, answer
Speaker 1: like you guys have Mentioned flag at the four ad
Speaker 1: at the, FIVE i think it's the best and just
Speaker 1: easiest fit for, switchability for spreading out the offense to
Speaker 1: maximize both sides of the.
Speaker 2: Ball so.
Speaker 1: Flip gafford AND.
Speaker 2: Pj.
Speaker 1: WASHINGTON i, mean that seems like the most logical thing
Speaker 1: that we're gonna see.
Speaker 3: Bended gafford though for three years sixty.
Speaker 2: Million well that means get a bit of clarification on that,
Speaker 2: front that it's like actually fifty four and that the
Speaker 2: other six million are unlikely, incentives and so his contract
Speaker 2: is still. Tradeable i'm not one hundred percent sure about,
Speaker 2: that BUT i believe he is still. Tradable but, anyway go,
Speaker 2: ahead AND i think that's the.
Speaker 1: ANSWER i think you flipped these they're very valuable commodities
Speaker 1: and they're expendable to you now that you Have, Cooper
Speaker 1: flag And ad like they lucked out in this, situation
Speaker 1: BUT i think they're gonna BE i think they're gonna
Speaker 1: have a really easy time flipping these guys into assets
Speaker 1: that they need BECAUSE i think a lot of teams
Speaker 1: should be interested in WHAT. Pj washington brings to the,
Speaker 1: table What gafford brings to the. Table and now for the,
Speaker 1: future you've Got flag And, lively who are one hell
Speaker 1: of a front court, duo and you've Got ad And
Speaker 1: kyrie who can help you. Win, NOW i just think
Speaker 1: And clay. TOO i think the mass of lucked, out
Speaker 1: AND i think they're gonna have an easier time than
Speaker 1: some people are expecting filling out the rest of this.
Speaker 1: Roster so let's start.
Speaker 2: Here, Cars i'm gonna kick it to you like. This
Speaker 2: it's like this scene From The Dark knight where The
Speaker 2: joker breaks the POOL q in half and hands it
Speaker 2: to the two. Dudes Both cooper And ad want to
Speaker 2: play power. Forward who ends up winning the battle for
Speaker 2: power forward In?
Speaker 3: Dallas it should Be flag at the four And ad
Speaker 3: at the. FIVE i know That ad has this obsession
Speaker 3: with playing the, four BUT i just think he is
Speaker 3: so much more effective offensively when he can play in
Speaker 3: that spaced out environment and he's not forced to play
Speaker 3: from the perimeter. More and then, defensively this guy has
Speaker 3: shown a million times over that he's more than capable
Speaker 3: of being an elite anchor at the. Five SO i
Speaker 3: totally agree with What logan was. SAYING i think it
Speaker 3: should Be flag at the four And ad at the,
Speaker 3: five and that's gonna be one of the best defensive
Speaker 3: duos in basketball, immediately even when they Go flag at the,
Speaker 3: Three ad at the, four and one of these bigs
Speaker 3: at the. Five, like is there outside Of Oklahoma city
Speaker 3: going to be a better defense in basketball next year Than?
Speaker 3: DALLAS i don't think. So like that, length that, size that,
Speaker 3: rebounding that aggregate rim protection in the front, court it is.
Speaker 3: Stupid And flag obviously has all the mobility to guard
Speaker 3: on the. Perimeter he's most impactful as that helper In,
Speaker 3: romer but just a freak all around.
Speaker 2: Talent.
Speaker 3: MAN i totally agree with, You jason when you say
Speaker 3: he is uniquely well, equipped even for a number one overall,
Speaker 3: pick even for a number one overall pick of this,
Speaker 3: caliber to immediately slide, in slide in and be like
Speaker 3: that do it all wing for a team that wants to,
Speaker 3: contend because he checks all the. Boxes he has the field,
Speaker 3: offensively he has the off ball, scoring he has the,
Speaker 3: transition he has the ball handling and playmaking and doses
Speaker 3: at the very, least and then defensively is going to
Speaker 3: be so insanely. Impactful the guy's just a. Winner the
Speaker 3: floor is crazy, high and the ceiling is really high,
Speaker 3: too but it's that floor that is immediately going to
Speaker 3: be so. IMPACTFUL i think it'll be a top fifty
Speaker 3: player as a rookie and that's a dream For.
Speaker 2: Dallas, yeah to your, point we've seen number one overall
Speaker 2: picks Like Anthony Edward words who are bona fide won't
Speaker 2: number one overall types of talent that, has you, know
Speaker 2: come to fruition over. Time but it would have been
Speaker 2: a terrible option In dallas as a. Rookie he would
Speaker 2: have been such a poor. Fit you, know he's so
Speaker 2: undisciplined off ball as a defender and so screenable on
Speaker 2: ball and all that kind of Stuff cooper can right,
Speaker 2: Away Like cooper could legitimately start for any team in
Speaker 2: THE nba, tomorrow like he's so he's so. Versatile, POSITIONALLY
Speaker 2: i do agree with all the points That jackson's, making
Speaker 2: essentially that like when you play the three instead of the,
Speaker 2: four there's additional responsibility defensively on the perimeter to navigate,
Speaker 2: screens and there's more there's clunkier spacing in the sense
Speaker 2: that you're putting to, bigger, slower less skilled players in
Speaker 2: front of him in the front. Court and SO i
Speaker 2: think that's ultimately where it. Goes but what'll probably end
Speaker 2: up happening is it'll Be Anthony davis in one center
Speaker 2: and they'll have two big looks that they, use and
Speaker 2: they kind of oscillate back and forth between the. Two
Speaker 2: but then they'll close games routinely With cooper And ad
Speaker 2: at the. Five when the time, comes our number two
Speaker 2: overall pick is, In Dylan harper has gone to The
Speaker 2: San Antonio. Spurs so we conceptualize this idea That San,
Speaker 2: antonio even though they're making the talent play, here going
Speaker 2: for the best player. Available AND i Had Sam vessini
Speaker 2: on the show On, tuesday And sam had talked about
Speaker 2: how he sees a substantial drop off from number two
Speaker 2: to number three moving forward in the draft from this
Speaker 2: point in terms of just you, know risk associated with
Speaker 2: some of these guys reaching their top. End but there
Speaker 2: is a window of opportunity for San antonio over time
Speaker 2: to continue to pivot to make changes along the. Way
Speaker 2: they have another pick coming later in the first. Round
Speaker 2: so my question for you will go to You, logan
Speaker 2: if you're Keeping dylan in the short, term how does
Speaker 2: this work in terms of the basketball trying to work Alongside,
Speaker 2: fox Alongside victor Wemban yama in this, system it's.
Speaker 1: The question after you make this. Pick me And carson
Speaker 1: have talked about this recently on a couple of our.
Speaker 1: Shows but all three of these guys are in the
Speaker 1: exact same, archetype and that's what makes it hard to
Speaker 1: make it viable with all of them all downhill guards
Speaker 1: who need the ball in their, hands and you've got
Speaker 1: questions maybe About castle's, Jumper you've got questions About harper's.
Speaker 1: Jumper to, me it's kind of what you were saying
Speaker 1: before we got this thing, Started. JASON i think you're
Speaker 1: probably gonna have to pick the guy that you're gonna
Speaker 1: rock with long term at some point in this season
Speaker 1: and move off of one of these. GUARDS i think
Speaker 1: the odd man out Is Dearn, fox and it's nothing Against.
Speaker 1: FOX i think he's a very talented. PLAYER i think
Speaker 1: he's A i think it was a good move For
Speaker 1: San antonio to do what they did last, Season LIKE
Speaker 1: i think it made, Sense BUT i Like harper And
Speaker 1: castle's long term upside. MORE i think that they're going
Speaker 1: to be ready to go and win quicker than people,
Speaker 1: expect AND i just think those are the guys That
Speaker 1: i'd rather build. AROUND i Think, fox as much as
Speaker 1: we can look at the raw, NUMBERS i Think fox
Speaker 1: has his own. Flaw if it's defensively really being. Committed
Speaker 1: and you know, What i'll give him some grace with.
Speaker 1: That right he was In. Sacramento that's not the best.
Speaker 1: SITUATION i think San, antonio he can be committed to
Speaker 1: actually working on that. End But fox doesn't get downhill
Speaker 1: as much as he used. TO i cided this stat
Speaker 1: on our last shows his rim attempts have had since
Speaker 1: the peak that they were at in twenty. Twenty he's
Speaker 1: so relyingt on that. JUMPER i just don't think he's
Speaker 1: as impactful as he could be if he really weaponized
Speaker 1: his athletic traits to the. Fullest so to answer your, Question,
Speaker 1: JASON i don't really know how it's viable with all
Speaker 1: three of these. GUYS i don't think it really works right.
Speaker 1: NOW i think it's going to be clunky and you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to pick who you go. With BUT i
Speaker 1: don't think you can pass Up Dylan. Harper And i'm
Speaker 1: just higher On harper And castle long term Than. Fox
Speaker 1: so to, Me fox would be the odd man.
Speaker 4: OUT i Think fox is the odd man out because
Speaker 4: of it feels Like castle also is the one who
Speaker 4: needs the ball in his hands the. Least it feels
Speaker 4: like he could fit the best alongside either of the
Speaker 4: Of harper Or, fox so he feels like he's squarely
Speaker 4: as part of their, core unless, that you, know there's
Speaker 4: A yiannis. Trade BUT i ALSO i think that IT'LL
Speaker 4: i think it'll be really interesting to see what happens
Speaker 4: in the first half of the, season because if they're
Speaker 4: good right, away if they're, like, okay we're above five hundred,
Speaker 4: immediately then it's kind of hard to move off Of Darren.
Speaker 4: Fox but if they're kind of around five hundred or
Speaker 4: and then if The bucks sort of aren't as good
Speaker 4: and The yiannis trade becomes more available than it seems
Speaker 4: like it is right, NOW i actually Think fox could
Speaker 4: be an interesting player to in a trade for Ge,
Speaker 4: honest if The bucks end up end up making a
Speaker 4: move like. That because The bucks don't own their picks
Speaker 4: for a few, years they need to be semi not,
Speaker 4: terrible and so Darreon fox would at least along with
Speaker 4: a bunch of other. Picks, obviously it's not Just Darren
Speaker 4: fox would would sort of accomplish that better Than harper
Speaker 4: Or castle.
Speaker 2: Would there are some numbers with uh With, harper specifically
Speaker 2: with unguarded catch and shoot shooting that are. Good it's
Speaker 2: part of the reason Why i'm encouraged about his ability
Speaker 2: to become a better jump. Shitter we've seen this archetype
Speaker 2: so many times in the past where the dude who's
Speaker 2: the ball handler can knock down off the dribble jump,
Speaker 2: shots but he can't hit off the catch because he
Speaker 2: just never practiced off the catch in his entire. Childhood
Speaker 2: he had to create every shot for. Everybody there's never
Speaker 2: an opportunity for him to like really learn how to
Speaker 2: be an off ball catch and shoot. Player Dylan harper's
Speaker 2: kind of the exact, opposite where he's an on ball,
Speaker 2: player but his shot release is so in front of
Speaker 2: his face and it's a little drawn out and it's
Speaker 2: a little, hitchy and so off the dribble he's his
Speaker 2: energy transfer is poor and every shot looks a little,
Speaker 2: different and so he's not very consistent. There but then
Speaker 2: when he's wide opening catch and shoot, situations he hit
Speaker 2: over half of his threes this, year which is a
Speaker 2: sign of a very good touch in those sorts of.
Speaker 2: Situations so that's going to be really the key is
Speaker 2: whether or not he can actually figure out the off
Speaker 2: ball piece and then in the short term and then
Speaker 2: in the law long term put together on the ball.
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Speaker 2: Channel, carson what's your take On Dealan harper fitting with
Speaker 2: the Spurg just to.
Speaker 3: Add to that point a little, BIT i also think
Speaker 3: that we've seen flashes of him off, ball attacking close.
Speaker 3: OUTS i think we've seen flashes of him. Cutting so
Speaker 3: obviously this is a guy who is primarily going to
Speaker 3: play with the ball in his. Hands that's where he's
Speaker 3: at his most. Lethal BUT i do think there are
Speaker 3: some positive indicators for him being solid off, Ball and
Speaker 3: then in terms of the pull up. Jumper agree with.
Speaker 3: YOU i also do think That we've definitely seen the
Speaker 3: shot creation, ability the ability to create, space the, footwork
Speaker 3: the step, backs, like that's all. There so it's really
Speaker 3: just the mechanics and the consistency of the pull up jumper.
Speaker 3: Itself but, man he just does so much THAT i. Love,
Speaker 3: yeah the fit is definitely. Weird one of these three
Speaker 3: guards is going to be. GONE i would be fine
Speaker 3: with it being Either fox Or. Castle i'm not as
Speaker 3: high On castle as some, maybe even THOUGH i do like,
Speaker 3: HIM i just think there's still a lot of questions.
Speaker 3: There you make a good, Point jackson in that he
Speaker 3: is the guy who is going to do the most
Speaker 3: things to impact the game without the, ball being an
Speaker 3: elite rebounding guard, talent having the defensive potential that he.
Speaker 3: Does but until he becomes a dramatically better catch and,
Speaker 3: shooter if he ever becomes, that, like you're still gonna
Speaker 3: have some questions about playing him off ball and what
Speaker 3: kind of value he can deliver. There But harper's the
Speaker 3: guy Who i'm going all in. On like, again just
Speaker 3: this level of rim, pressure, finishing foul, drawing, playmaking protecting the.
Speaker 3: Basketball at the level he, DOES i think he'll become
Speaker 3: an average pull up shooter and a solid overall jump.
Speaker 3: Shooter and if he gets, there you're looking at An All.
Speaker 3: Star you're looking at a guy who maybe could be
Speaker 3: on the fringes of ALL nba, conversations and there's not
Speaker 3: another talent like that in this. Class after obviously flag.
Speaker 2: The shooting is actually they just get our first.
Speaker 4: Shams our first shams were going, here and then the
Speaker 4: pick was in as. Well that The sixers are keeping
Speaker 4: the pick and they're DRAFTING Vj edge right.
Speaker 2: On so no, trade no trade to get off of
Speaker 2: The george really, Quickly carson before we move on TO VJ.
Speaker 2: H the separation is the more important. Piece there are
Speaker 2: a lot of guys who can shoot in THE, nba
Speaker 2: and they can't get to their. Spots and LIKE i,
Speaker 2: mean if we haven't seen that on display in this,
Speaker 2: postseason like the guys that can get to their spots
Speaker 2: against athleticism and physicality is just so. Valuable and the
Speaker 2: touch is, there the footwork's, there the handles. There he's
Speaker 2: just got to improve his you, know energy transfer from
Speaker 2: the ground up a little bit, quicker a little. Bit
Speaker 2: crisper shoots the ball up a little bit more instead
Speaker 2: of out so far AND i think he'll put it all.
Speaker 2: TOGETHER i think that potential is. There SO. Vj edgecombe
Speaker 2: to The philadelphia seventy Six, ers a team that already
Speaker 2: Has jared McCain And Tyrese Maxey. Logan what's your take
Speaker 2: on getting? This, uh you, know obviously not an on ball,
Speaker 2: guard but a guy who, plays in my, opinion at
Speaker 2: THE nba level of two to fit inside The sixers
Speaker 2: big picture.
Speaker 1: Plans So i'll preface this by SAYING i agree with
Speaker 1: whoever said there's a little bit of a drop off
Speaker 1: between two and, three BUT i still LOVE.
Speaker 2: Vj.
Speaker 1: Edgecombe the question marks with him is going to be
Speaker 1: how great he can be in the half court and
Speaker 1: what he does for your. Spacing he shot forty three
Speaker 1: percent on unguarded catch and shoot, jumpers SO i think
Speaker 1: there is shooting. UPSIDE i don't hate to. STROKE i
Speaker 1: think he's going to be a good shooter one, day
Speaker 1: but like you, mentioned he does everything. Else it's such
Speaker 1: a high level That i'm confident he's going to have
Speaker 1: a winning impact where, DEFENSIVELY i think he's going to
Speaker 1: be a. Problem he's a supreme. Athlete the dude has
Speaker 1: springs attached to his, shoes just ridiculous bounce WHERE i
Speaker 1: think he's going to be a really good transition. Score
Speaker 1: and then the big thing is defense and, rebounding a
Speaker 1: tremendous rebounder for a. Guard and so WHEN i look
Speaker 1: at what The sixers have right, NOW i just think
Speaker 1: they're in best player available. Mode i'm gonna be, Honest
Speaker 1: i'm not super optimistic About philadelphia being competitive in this window.
Speaker 1: Whatsoever you guys know. ME i gave up On Joel
Speaker 1: embiid a long time. Ago i'm pretty much out On Paul.
Speaker 1: George SO i don't think That philadelphia really has a
Speaker 1: real opportunity to compete in The east unless everything falls their.
Speaker 1: Way SO i think they should take the best player,
Speaker 1: available AND i do think That's, edgecombe BUT i do
Speaker 1: think he can do some winning things for. Them they've
Speaker 1: got the scoring punch With. Embiid, theoretically If Paul george
Speaker 1: returns to what he can, be he could be a solid.
Speaker 1: Three maxi is a beast and he's a. Score so it's,
Speaker 1: like you don't need more scoring. Punch you need guys
Speaker 1: who can do the little, things AND i Think edgecomb
Speaker 1: can immediately do, that but does have long term all
Speaker 1: star upside with his athletic, Profile i'm concerned about him
Speaker 1: being an on ball creator in. Score that's not really
Speaker 1: his role to. ME i think he's gonna be a
Speaker 1: really good closeout attack or an off ball. SCORE i
Speaker 1: think that's more his, role, cutting, relocating dribble hand off
Speaker 1: stuff like. That BUT i think you kind of get
Speaker 1: the best of both worlds WITH. VJ i think that
Speaker 1: he can give you a little bit of a winning
Speaker 1: impact now with the little things that he, does but
Speaker 1: he does have all star upside long term For.
Speaker 4: Philadelphia, yeah you know after, WHAT i, Agree, NO i
Speaker 4: was gonna, SAY i. Agree but the question for their
Speaker 4: FUTURE i think is, what, like how does these these
Speaker 4: three small guards all fit. TOGETHER vj is the biggest
Speaker 4: and the he's a super, athlete he's long, arms BUT
Speaker 4: maxi is small and McCain is, small which is why
Speaker 4: you're probably not saying those two are our back court
Speaker 4: of the, future just those, two but considering how good
Speaker 4: McCain was before he got, hurt he was unbelievable before
Speaker 4: he got, hurt and so it is a little bit of,
Speaker 4: like how do these three players fit in two? Spots
Speaker 4: kind of BECAUSE i don't THINK. Vj we'll, see BUT
Speaker 4: i don't Think vj's athleticism is enough to make up
Speaker 4: for him only being six or four in terms of
Speaker 4: playing the three alongside those. Guys but, OVERALL i do
Speaker 4: think he's PROBABLY i. DO i agree that he was
Speaker 4: the third best player in the, draft SO i think
Speaker 4: you gotta just go best, player AND i do think
Speaker 4: he's a very.
Speaker 1: Real quick would you would you slot McCain in at
Speaker 1: the sixth man? SPOT i feel like that's kind of
Speaker 1: the LOGICAL i WOULD i.
Speaker 4: Do it does feel like it's he's the sixth man,
Speaker 4: there like from a long term, perspective and it feels
Speaker 4: like his game is kind of six, many but it's
Speaker 4: it's a little that will be the big question for
Speaker 4: their for their second of the. Timeline not the.
Speaker 2: Two small guards that are looking to score the basketball
Speaker 2: can't really share the floor in a, serious big picture,
Speaker 2: context and maybe that's a big picture of the decision
Speaker 2: they have to make with respect To TYRESE. MAXI i
Speaker 2: THINK vj is a Player i'm particularly excited about after
Speaker 2: having watched this last, postseason and we just see how
Speaker 2: important it is to have a guard who can guard his.
Speaker 2: Position but also guard up a little. Bit it can
Speaker 2: cover ground in, rotation crack, down, rebound fly up and
Speaker 2: down the, floor and. TRANSITION i actually do Think vj's
Speaker 2: got some high level close out attacking moves that he
Speaker 2: will be able to. Access over the, Years we've seen
Speaker 2: flashes of, it you, know a euro step, there turn,
Speaker 2: around fade away. HERE i after we just Watched Aaron
Speaker 2: nesmith fell a very valuable role for An Indiana pacers
Speaker 2: team that made it deep into the, postseason you, know
Speaker 2: one win away from the championship and be like downright
Speaker 2: super impactful at. Stretches, Now aaron's, bigger BUT i think
Speaker 2: that edgecomb kind of just fits that mold of to
Speaker 2: do everything wing in THE nba at the two guard.
Speaker 2: Spot he just has to fit into the two guard.
Speaker 2: Spot what's your, Take?
Speaker 3: CARSON i, AGREE i think that short, term long, term
Speaker 3: this is the right. Pick this is just the best
Speaker 3: talent on the board and kind of something of a
Speaker 3: life raft For. PHILLY i still think that they're in
Speaker 3: a tough, spot but this was the safest. Pick this
Speaker 3: is the guy, who, yeah can do things to contribute
Speaker 3: now in that all around wing archetype that you're talking About.
Speaker 3: JASON i, mean he's like a uniquely good offensive rebounding,
Speaker 3: guard great springing, this and really good feel like you
Speaker 3: see the connective. Passing that's exciting for a guy who's
Speaker 3: gonna be playing for a team, that, ostensibly if they're,
Speaker 3: healthy is trying to, win and he's gonna be in
Speaker 3: a scale down. Role BUT i think that suits him
Speaker 3: because of the clothes out, attacking because of the shooting
Speaker 3: off the, catch and then, defensively he's good defending at
Speaker 3: the point of. Attack he's really good forcing. Steals he's
Speaker 3: pretty darn good as a rim protecting guy for his,
Speaker 3: size so he's gonna make plays in every phase of the,
Speaker 3: game gonna get to the rim a hell of a,
Speaker 3: Lot and, yeah there are things that he needs to,
Speaker 3: refine got to be more efficient as a. Finisher he
Speaker 3: shot forty four percent on, layups so that's obviously not
Speaker 3: gonna cut. It and THEN i do think that you
Speaker 3: want to see the, handle you want to see the
Speaker 3: pull up shooting improve for sure in terms of his
Speaker 3: long term, upside but that's not really gonna be his
Speaker 3: role in the short. Term he's going to be trying
Speaker 3: to do those winning things AND i think that he
Speaker 3: can do. That BUT i do really like. HIM i
Speaker 3: think he is a real quality starter with fringe star
Speaker 3: kind outside and just a really good all around wing
Speaker 3: prospect for a team that desperately needs.
Speaker 2: That if you're in a position Like philly's in where
Speaker 2: you're kind of old and banged up in your star,
Speaker 2: corps you want to be anchored by younger players that
Speaker 2: can play smaller roles and, athletes and THAT'S vj just
Speaker 2: crosses all of those. Boxes and then you add the
Speaker 2: legitimate upside that he. Has and, again LIKE i Don't
Speaker 2: i'm with, you, GUYS i don't think he's going to
Speaker 2: be some you, know super high volume on ball. GUARD
Speaker 2: i think that's unlikely at this, point but there is
Speaker 2: some upside there with his. Athleticism you Can i've said
Speaker 2: this About Jalen, Green i've said this About Jonathan. Kminga
Speaker 2: it's really hard for me for me not to bet
Speaker 2: on like LEGITIMATE a plus. Athletes and that's not to
Speaker 2: say that guys Of green Or commed like GUYS A
Speaker 2: green or comingo would be much better off in THE
Speaker 2: nba if they were to embrace more of A. Vj
Speaker 2: edgecombe role player type of, archetype but there is legitimate
Speaker 2: upside in a player that can get to his. Spots
Speaker 2: the number four pick is in, me The Charlotte hornets
Speaker 2: Taking Kank nipple from do big, shooter off ball scoring,
Speaker 2: weapon underrated defensive player on a team that has a
Speaker 2: lot of guys that like to have the ball in their,
Speaker 2: hands it seems like it makes a lot of. Sense,
Speaker 2: jackson what's your take on con going To? CHARLOTTE i
Speaker 2: think he.
Speaker 4: Is he has a lot OF nba ready. Skills is
Speaker 4: he ready for THE? NBA i don't. Know he has
Speaker 4: a lot OF nba ready, skills and in that, SENSE
Speaker 4: i ALMOST i thought he would have been actually a
Speaker 4: good fit With philly as, well and The hornets feel
Speaker 4: like they're a long ways away from being a relevant basketball.
Speaker 4: Team BUT i do think he's very. Solid watching, him
Speaker 4: and you, know his sort of archetype of white shooter type.
Speaker 4: Player they're not as commonly six, seven so the fact
Speaker 4: that he's six to SEVEN i think goes a long.
Speaker 4: WAY i like his Patience, offensively he does a lot
Speaker 4: of that playingoff two feet pump. Faking it's Not Jalen
Speaker 4: brunson really, ish but it has some sort of. Similar
Speaker 4: once he gets his feet in the, pain he's going
Speaker 4: to be very patient.
Speaker 2: Make the right.
Speaker 4: PLAY i think he has a lot OF i think
Speaker 4: he's going to be a really, impactful winning basketball, PLAYER i,
Speaker 4: think AND i think he's sort of you, know with
Speaker 4: his basketball. Family it feels like he's a little bit
Speaker 4: more of an adult than some of the other guys
Speaker 4: on The hornets roster and guys of their you, know
Speaker 4: GUYS i like to, Draft so from that, SENSE i
Speaker 4: think it's a good fit for.
Speaker 3: Them it's a little.
Speaker 1: Hot this feels like a, yeah this feels like a
Speaker 1: really safe pick For. Charlotte carson AND i did our
Speaker 1: mock draft not that long, ago and we mocked his
Speaker 1: duke Teammate maluwach to The, hornets WHICH i thought made more.
Speaker 1: SENSE i guess The hornets are holding on to This
Speaker 1: mark William stock and they think he's going to be
Speaker 1: their big man of the, future is WHAT i glean from.
Speaker 1: This like, yeah, yeah Like Carmelo Anthony Atlanta hawks. LEGEND
Speaker 1: i Think kannupple's really. SOLID i think he is an
Speaker 1: uber talented off ball. Score the way this guy finds,
Speaker 1: space he is constantly moving and relocating great when the
Speaker 1: defender turns his back to him and cutting off of
Speaker 1: that coming off, screens some of the ghost screen. Stuff
Speaker 1: he does pick and, popping and he's a really good
Speaker 1: spot up, player an elite catching. SHOOTER i think he's
Speaker 1: got tremendous coordination and footwar and he's got a quick.
Speaker 1: Trigger he shot forty one percent in the mid, range
Speaker 1: just under forty one percent from. Deep he shot ninety
Speaker 1: one percent from the line and had a true shooting
Speaker 1: percentage of sixty four. Percent, like the guy's got elite,
Speaker 1: touch AND i think he's got a little bit more
Speaker 1: on ball juice than some people give him credit.
Speaker 2: For.
Speaker 1: Now he's not like special, there BUT i THINK i
Speaker 1: think he's got a little bit of juice. There he's
Speaker 1: slow and, Methodical i'll say. That you, know he's not
Speaker 1: got a lot of, pop but he's. Crafty he's got
Speaker 1: some change in. Pace in, college it was using quickness
Speaker 1: against bigs and then strength against smaller. Defenders and you,
Speaker 1: know he's got pump, fakes. RIPBRUS i think he's got
Speaker 1: a little bit of feel out of pick and, roll
Speaker 1: SO i think there's some upside. There and then the fit. Here,
Speaker 1: yeah another good shooter off ball For LaMelo. BALL i
Speaker 1: just my thing with this pick, again it's very. SAFE
Speaker 1: i Think kannupple is gonna be a, good SOLID nba.
Speaker 1: PLAYER i come back to two questions with The, hornets
Speaker 1: who the hell is going to play defense for? Them
Speaker 1: and why they keep passing up rock solid defensive prospects
Speaker 1: Like clinging last year AND i really Liked malu watch this.
Speaker 1: Year for, them it's just getting a defensive. Anchor SO
Speaker 1: i like the, pick BUT i don't love it. Certainly,
Speaker 1: YEAH i think.
Speaker 3: That's safe is a good word for. IT i think
Speaker 3: that con is an extremely high floor offensive, Player like
Speaker 3: he's a top two shooter in the, class and he
Speaker 3: knows how to weaponize that you guys have mentioned if
Speaker 3: it's screening for other, guards if it's, relocating and he
Speaker 3: really knows how to leverage that shooting threat, Too like
Speaker 3: this is a guy who playing off the, catch playing
Speaker 3: coming around to, screen is capable of knocking down those
Speaker 3: two point jumpers getting into the lane playing off two
Speaker 3: feet like you Mentioned, Jackson and, yeah he does have
Speaker 3: pretty solid passing. Feel there's a lot that you know
Speaker 3: is going to translate. Offensively is the ceiling high enough,
Speaker 3: though when you're looking at now a defensive back court
Speaker 3: Of LaMelo ball and Con kannepel, LIKE i don't like
Speaker 3: that long term. Now the one thing that they have
Speaker 3: is solid size as a, backcourt but still Like kannepple six'
Speaker 3: five with an, even wingspan basically. SLOW fet i do
Speaker 3: think he's A high iq. EFFORT defender i just think
Speaker 3: that there are some core physical limitations there where you
Speaker 3: see him struggling to, navigate screens where you see him
Speaker 3: susceptible to, blow bys And then LaMelo is very. Problematic
Speaker 3: defensively so the couple guys who you could have argued
Speaker 3: if they were going to take a perimeter player are
Speaker 3: probably higher risk in Like A trey johnson Or An,
Speaker 3: ace bailey because those are guys where you might question the.
Speaker 3: Shot Selection With, TREY johnson i think that you definitely
Speaker 3: have the same issues about a, defensive backcourt if not
Speaker 3: more so trying to put Him. ALONGSIDE LaMelo i do
Speaker 3: think the offensive ceiling is higher. For him i'm really
Speaker 3: Conflicted On. Ace bailey i'm not a big fan, of
Speaker 3: his and so for, THAT reason i can't be overly
Speaker 3: Critical like logan, WAS saying i would have taken, malawatch
Speaker 3: Here but i'm a lot Higher On malo watch. Than
Speaker 3: most it's not super common that you're seeing him mocked
Speaker 3: number four. RIGHT now i think he could have been
Speaker 3: a really nice anchor big for them defensively when they
Speaker 3: already kind of have their franchise guard In franchise Wing
Speaker 3: and LaMelo And. Brandon miller if those guys can stay
Speaker 3: healthy and refine some stuff that would have BEEN where i.
Speaker 3: HAD gone i can't hate. This pick it's just a
Speaker 3: little high. FOR me i don't think the ceiling is.
Speaker 3: Quite there.
Speaker 2: We've seen, this archetype this kind of like big shooter
Speaker 2: who's not very mobile succeed IN, the nba but they
Speaker 2: have to be very good playmakers and they have to
Speaker 2: be very. Smart Defenders joe ingles is a guy that
Speaker 2: comes to mind, for me is a guy that has
Speaker 2: kind of been, like this just big smart wing that's not,
Speaker 2: overly fast but because he, has size size is half.
Speaker 2: The battle and this is kind of the Thing With
Speaker 2: luka Doncic that i've been complaining about over the last couple, Of,
Speaker 2: years like when you're big and, you could you don't
Speaker 2: have to be the. Fastest dude in, the world and
Speaker 2: you can be a useful defensive player as long as
Speaker 2: you're smart and, you're committed and so those are just
Speaker 2: going to be the things that they have to watch with.
Speaker 2: His development it's just his ability to make decisions coming
Speaker 2: off of. Screening actions if he's a high level playmaker in,
Speaker 2: those situations he will be a useful offensive player and
Speaker 2: then obviously the. Positional defense the number five pick Is In.
Speaker 2: Ace bailey, no slippage no no falling deep back into.
Speaker 2: The Draft The utah jazz Are Taking ace bailey at.
Speaker 2: Number five anybody got some snap judgments for. This one.
Speaker 3: IT'S interesting i would have Slightly Preferred trey. JOHNSON here
Speaker 3: i do Think that i'm more confident in his offensive skill,
Speaker 3: SET translating i just think he's such an elite shooter
Speaker 3: and he really knows how to, weaponize it and he's
Speaker 3: a super effective shooter off. The dribble that, being said
Speaker 3: Like With, ace bailey you absolutely have to see, the
Speaker 3: upside and the upside is not what some people. Have
Speaker 3: advertised it's not The Next, kevin. Durant right he is
Speaker 3: not that level of shot. Creator whatsoever he's not that
Speaker 3: level of ball handler he's not that level of. Rim
Speaker 3: pressure he's very limited as a. Ball handler he plays
Speaker 3: pretty stiff, and upright and he really doesn't get to,
Speaker 3: the rim and he doesn't handle the ball, very well
Speaker 3: and he doesn't play well, through physicality and you can
Speaker 3: really force him into taking a lot of tough shot
Speaker 3: after tough shot when he is trying. To initiate not,
Speaker 3: to mention he's a very bad passer and a very selfish,
Speaker 3: Player fundamentally so for all, those reasons that's not going
Speaker 3: to be his role.
Speaker 4: For cars that's like, you're describing you're listing off, the
Speaker 4: side but.
Speaker 3: The medication could also Be Like Michael porter junior offensively with,
Speaker 3: plus defense because that's going to be the Mold for ace.
Speaker 3: To succeed it's going to be embracing a scale down
Speaker 3: roll where It's, JUST okay i am six s EIGHT
Speaker 3: and i am one of the most gifted shot makers on.
Speaker 3: The planet i'm gonna do it coming, around screens, off
Speaker 3: contest off. The catch i'm going to be an effective
Speaker 3: cutter because he's a really good above the. Rim athlete
Speaker 3: he doesn't have that like functional burst to get value off,
Speaker 3: the bounce but as an above the. Rim athlete he,
Speaker 3: is impressive and that's, where defensively seven, foot wingspan very good.
Speaker 3: Positional rebounder the stock rates. Are impressive if he buys
Speaker 3: into that knockdown threes and play my role, defensively role
Speaker 3: this can be a really. Impactful player my concern with
Speaker 3: as is all the indications are he thinks that he
Speaker 3: is The Next. Kevin durant he goes out and, he
Speaker 3: says maybe that's a bad shot. For you you don't practice.
Speaker 3: THAT shot i practice. That shot he's turning down workouts.
Speaker 3: With teams that to me is very concerning when like
Speaker 3: the whole appeal with, the guys the talent's there if
Speaker 3: he sees the vision and plays the, right role and
Speaker 3: he doesn't seem to be seeing the vision or playing the.
Speaker 3: Right ROLE so i would Have Preferred trey. Johnson Here
Speaker 3: if i'm Utah.
Speaker 2: To, carson's point like when their agents are actually out
Speaker 2: and about like telling everybody he wants to be, the
Speaker 2: scorer and he's openly. Admitting it it's just that there
Speaker 2: was some risk for, him sliding and he didn't slide
Speaker 2: at the end of, the Day and i'm, With, you
Speaker 2: like the big thing for Me is i've just seen
Speaker 2: this archetype a lot over, the years which is like
Speaker 2: the big, lanky athlete like in terms of measurables like height,
Speaker 2: and wingspan but that just brings almost no physicality to.
Speaker 2: The position. It's brutal like that's the thing like you
Speaker 2: With A Michael. Porter junior it's a, Perfect example like
Speaker 2: he has to come clean off of a screen because
Speaker 2: he's not the kind of guy that's going to bump
Speaker 2: a defender off to get separation or fight for his
Speaker 2: spot in terms of physical. Positional strength that was using
Speaker 2: this Example With sam vassini the. Other day but like
Speaker 2: he when he spins into his, like turnarounds like a
Speaker 2: physical big will bump with that right shoulder and just
Speaker 2: shoot a. Turnaround, jumper No like ace is turning into
Speaker 2: this wild, step back, one legged crazy shot because he's
Speaker 2: not attacking with physicality in. Those moves And so i'm
Speaker 2: more worried about the physical tools just not being as
Speaker 2: valuable as they look. On paper.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna put On My bill simmons fake conspiracy hat
Speaker 4: just for. ONE moment i. Am one i'm Wondering If
Speaker 4: adam silverer Was Like Charlotte. Washington brooklyn you guys can't.
Speaker 4: Draft it we cannot let this behavior. Be successful you
Speaker 4: gotta let this tank, the. DRAFTS workouts i want to
Speaker 4: go to these, three teams only you guys cannot, take
Speaker 4: him so someone else must. Take him and they exiled
Speaker 4: Him To Salt. LAKE city i think it's hilarious that
Speaker 4: he's going To, SUN mister i want to be, a
Speaker 4: superstar sign me Up For. Superstar class and, they said
Speaker 4: Go To saltake Welcome.
Speaker 2: To, utah yeah and then is There A lori markin
Speaker 2: in trade lined up or? Something like that's the other,
Speaker 2: thing too because it kind of felt like he was
Speaker 2: trying to shoehorn his kind of situation to a place
Speaker 2: where he can have the basketball in his hands and
Speaker 2: he's gonna be fighting for It With deontay George And
Speaker 2: colin Sexton And lorii markinen and all. THESE guys i
Speaker 2: JUST don't i don't really see the. Natural fit but
Speaker 2: at the, same time maybe it's a bet on the culture, and,
Speaker 2: like hey we bring him in here and we'll, Convince,
Speaker 2: him hey you're not getting, the ball so you better
Speaker 2: work on these. Other things so maybe that's. The move
Speaker 2: i'm not. Entirely sure any, THOUGHTS logan i.
Speaker 1: Mean you said to. TWO words i saw your breakdown the,
Speaker 1: other day. BLACK hole i mean that's what, scares me.
Speaker 2: Is uh, You Know.
Speaker 1: Alex caruso had a really. GOOD quote i couldn't think
Speaker 1: of a more different player from the Guy Like. Ace
Speaker 1: Bailey but, caruso says teams are looking for a guy
Speaker 1: to clean, the bathrooms NOT. A ceo and, to me
Speaker 1: it's just a fundamental misunderstanding of what teams are. Looking
Speaker 1: for and so the upside's. All there but my mom,
Speaker 1: told ME if i got nothing nice, TO say i
Speaker 1: ain't gonna. Say IT so i AIN'T got i ain't.
Speaker 1: GOT it i ain't got a ton nice to Say.
Speaker 1: ABOUT ace i see. The. UPSIDE uh i THINK he
Speaker 1: i think he needs to get his head screwed. On
Speaker 1: straight the beauty of going to a Place, like, utah
Speaker 1: THOUGH is i like, THEIR system i like, their coach
Speaker 1: and there's AT least i feel like a little more
Speaker 1: structure With a utah than if he would go to
Speaker 1: one of these. Other destinations if It's. A brooklyn so the,
Speaker 1: talent's there it's all Mental With, ace bailey the talent is.
Speaker 1: All there it's all about if he can his willingness
Speaker 1: to play a role and his, his cerebralness like his
Speaker 1: commitment to to playing. SMART basketball i want to, BE
Speaker 1: clear i don't think this this is a. Disaster PICK like,
Speaker 1: i understand we're focusing on the.
Speaker 3: NEGATIVES here I Had a's bailey six on, my board
Speaker 3: so obviously the intangibles are going to be a huge
Speaker 3: deciding factor for. Him here but the talent is definitely
Speaker 3: one of the best on. THE board i would Have Preferred,
Speaker 3: trey johnson But Like ace bailey's talent is Better, than
Speaker 3: conkineples the ceiling is, significantly Higher and Lord knows utah.
Speaker 3: NEEDS talent, i mean they really don't have any foundation
Speaker 3: for their rebuild. Right Now It's walker kessler and we'll
Speaker 3: See What Like taylor Hendrix And isaiah Callier And, Kyle,
Speaker 3: philipowski like they don't have any of those real upper,
Speaker 3: echelon Talents And ace bailey at least could be that.
Speaker 2: For them it's an. Upside play i'm with you. ON
Speaker 2: That I trey johnson was my favorite PLAYER that i
Speaker 2: watched in my. Draft prep he has this like kind
Speaker 2: of unique combination of size for the position but shooting
Speaker 2: ability mixed with like all the THINGS that i think
Speaker 2: you need to naturally be a, good score which is
Speaker 2: like kind of an audacity or, a confidence a creativity
Speaker 2: in terms of the, you know different dribble combinations and
Speaker 2: footwork pieces that he's added to. His game and then
Speaker 2: also just like the ability to kind of adjust angles
Speaker 2: and be, you know fluid on the ball in order
Speaker 2: to be that type. Of scorer, AND like i like
Speaker 2: the shots that he takes more within the context OF an,
Speaker 2: Nba Offense like i'm fully Okay With trey johnson leading
Speaker 2: a bench unit and coming off of a ball screen
Speaker 2: and him having a drop coverage big too far back
Speaker 2: and him taking a pull. Up three that to me
Speaker 2: is A good nba shot for a, good shooter in
Speaker 2: the same way that like seventy percent of the shots
Speaker 2: that you See a spalley take your when he has
Speaker 2: the ball in, His hands, you're like this feels like
Speaker 2: a wasted possession in. Many cases and so like the
Speaker 2: dirty little secret about, those shots those super super, tough
Speaker 2: shots is you really only want to take them in
Speaker 2: the last few seconds of the, shot clock or like
Speaker 2: in a, switching scheme playoff, tight environment you got a
Speaker 2: good match up against a smaller player against a switch
Speaker 2: and you go to a turnaround fad way but closer
Speaker 2: to the basket where it's. More reliable there's just a
Speaker 2: lot Of As trey johnson has just been Picked, by,
Speaker 2: washington like, To me trey represents LIKE real nba offense
Speaker 2: in the form of an, aggressive score like his ability
Speaker 2: to hit up pull up threes coming off, of action
Speaker 2: his ability to hit threes running off of off, ball
Speaker 2: action both moving to his right and moving to, his
Speaker 2: left adding some of that. SCORING flair i still Think,
Speaker 2: with trey my biggest like like hang Up, With TREY
Speaker 2: and i shouldn't even say. Hang up it's JUST something
Speaker 2: i think he's got to. Work ON but i believe.
Speaker 2: He will is he's just a little bit rushed right
Speaker 2: now by the speed of. The GAME and i think
Speaker 2: that once he figures out that like change of pace
Speaker 2: and using physicality and strength to set guys up for
Speaker 2: screens and then like moving in, these quicker, shorter bursts
Speaker 2: that that kind of manifest in, THESE shots i think
Speaker 2: that'll help him be better at. Getting separation we saw
Speaker 2: In the xavier game that he kind of just got
Speaker 2: lock and trailed out of, the game and so there's
Speaker 2: a certain amount of like just like additional veteran savvy
Speaker 2: that he can add to become. Even better but, to
Speaker 2: me he just makes sense as a off ball scorer
Speaker 2: right away IN the nba and then a potential on
Speaker 2: ball score depending on how some of his specific fundamentals.
Speaker 1: RAN out I think trey's the best scorer in. THE draft,
Speaker 1: I mean i really like what he put. On tape
Speaker 1: my only concern on top of which, You, said jason
Speaker 1: he was sub sixty percent in field goal attempts at,
Speaker 1: the RIM so i think he needs to become a better.
Speaker 1: Rim finisher but the guy has, PHENOMENAL touch i mean
Speaker 1: at all. Three LEVELS and i think some of the
Speaker 1: percentages are a little bit MISLEADING because i think the
Speaker 1: difficulty of some of the shots that he's, putting up
Speaker 1: like he's a sub thirty eight percent shooter in the,
Speaker 1: mid range but he's got. Great touch all the shots
Speaker 1: he's taking. Are tough the Only thing i'd add on
Speaker 1: to what you were saying TOO is i love his
Speaker 1: back to the basket in his post. Game too tray
Speaker 1: showed a little bit of. That too he was an
Speaker 1: eighty six percentile post score. Last SEASON so i just
Speaker 1: think he's got a really, high FLOOR and i think
Speaker 1: there's some real upside to tap, in too like you,
Speaker 1: WERE saying I just i'm more Confident that trey is
Speaker 1: going to be a reliable PLAYER Than A so i
Speaker 1: just think the floor is. Higher there then he's gonna.
Speaker 1: Step in he's gonna get. YOU buckets i think he's
Speaker 1: the best score in. THE draft i also mocked Him,
Speaker 1: to UTAH but i really like this Pick. For washington,
Speaker 1: THEY'RE uh i don't know what to make Of the, middleton,
Speaker 1: McCollum like, I think i'm glad they have some veterans.
Speaker 2: In, there yeah it's.
Speaker 1: It's interesting it's. Very interesting i'm glad they've got some
Speaker 1: veterans in. The room, BUT uh i really do like
Speaker 1: this Pick. FOR washington I like trey.
Speaker 3: A LOT jack i like.
Speaker 4: It too this IS almost i feel like this is
Speaker 4: the first time in A while i've, Been, Like okay
Speaker 4: washington seems to be doing some of the. RIGHT things
Speaker 4: i think getting Off The jordan poole thing. WAS smart
Speaker 4: i think not To see jim m not they're gonna
Speaker 4: make the playoffs. Or ANYTHING but i do feel like
Speaker 4: You got sarr now You Got, trey johnson why not
Speaker 4: see if what that looks like with some veterans who
Speaker 4: can try to cause a LOT of nba players talk
Speaker 4: about the lack of vets across, the league and now
Speaker 4: maybe they got. Too many they got three of them
Speaker 4: all of. A SUDDEN but i do feel like, the
Speaker 4: situation all of a sudden feels a little more thought,
Speaker 4: out THERE and i feel like it's a, better play
Speaker 4: a better environment for some of these younger raw Players
Speaker 4: like Sar.
Speaker 3: And, johnson yeah and he's an extremely, Gifted scorer like
Speaker 3: he is definitely the most intriguing offensive Talent in washington now.
Speaker 3: By far but they do have some other pieces, you,
Speaker 3: like Right obviously sarre with his two, way potential Cool
Speaker 3: of bali with his two, Way potential but they need
Speaker 3: somebody who can kind of bring team. Open, offensively, WELL
Speaker 3: yeah I, like bubb but like we're talking about a
Speaker 3: different level of a talent Here With. TREY johnson i
Speaker 3: think that you, Said, IT jason, i mean just an
Speaker 3: elite off a, ball score best shooter in the class in,
Speaker 3: My opinion not often you see a guy knock down
Speaker 3: forty percent of his seven and a half three point attempts,
Speaker 3: per game and everything indicates that this is a legitimate.
Speaker 3: Elite shooter the free, throw shooting but it's the ability
Speaker 3: to do it off, the catch, off screens, in transition,
Speaker 3: off movement off, the dribble with the step back like
Speaker 3: lethal lethal jump shooter knows how to. Weaponize it and
Speaker 3: if you're comparing him to an ace, like this this
Speaker 3: is a, guy, who yes has a very score. First
Speaker 3: mentality he is a scorer, for sure but he can
Speaker 3: make the, basic reads the, pocket passes he can find
Speaker 3: the roll or he can actually occasionally make some skip
Speaker 3: passes for you and some. Laydown passes so like he's
Speaker 3: much more effective weaponizing his scoring threat even though he
Speaker 3: is still a. Basic playmaker he's still definitely jacked up
Speaker 3: some tough shots AND definitely i agree With you logan
Speaker 3: about the. Rim, Finishing also i'm not optimistic about. His,
Speaker 3: defense like he has decent enough tools at sixty six
Speaker 3: with a six to, ten wingspan but a lot of
Speaker 3: bad defensive effort and lapses in focus and really brought
Speaker 3: you no defensive playmaking at the. College LEVEL so i
Speaker 3: think he is going to be a, negative defender but
Speaker 3: not like a terribly. NEGATIVE defender i just think like
Speaker 3: kind of below average, for sure but you can see
Speaker 3: him having that great offensive impact that justifies him being
Speaker 3: picked HERE because i think that the ceiling is absolutely
Speaker 3: there and even the floor offensively just with that shooting
Speaker 3: is pretty high.
Speaker 2: With the play making piece like this is another difference
Speaker 2: to me between Him And, ace bailey where it's Like,
Speaker 2: with ace you're, basically like, HEY dude i know you're
Speaker 2: posting on the, left block but can you please like
Speaker 2: look at the floor and see what's happening around you
Speaker 2: and try to find a. Read there Whereas Because trey
Speaker 2: johnson TAKES real nba shots that you SEE real nba
Speaker 2: scores regularly take like the kinds of shots that you'd
Speaker 2: be comfortable with them taking at any point really in the.
Speaker 2: Shot clock because he takes a lot of, those shots
Speaker 2: you can really lay out basic reads, for, him, like,
Speaker 2: hey dude look at the tape when you come off
Speaker 2: the screen and they're at the level that literally means
Speaker 2: the pocket is open every. Single time, you know like
Speaker 2: you can you can teach him like these kind of,
Speaker 2: basic reads and, you know especially with him being surrounded
Speaker 2: by as many vets as he's been surrounded by like
Speaker 2: you DON'T. Think cj mccollin can, be, like, hey dude
Speaker 2: you will make your life easier if you start making.
Speaker 2: This pass you start making, this pass they won't even
Speaker 2: show at the. Level anymore they'll see if they'll give
Speaker 2: you'll get more, open looks you'll get more of. These
Speaker 2: opportunities and so, To, me Trey Like trey johnson just
Speaker 2: follows much more of like a p prooven mold for
Speaker 2: what works IN. The NBA and i mean we literally
Speaker 2: just saw a Player And buddy healed get finally moved
Speaker 2: into a competent five out system where he was playing
Speaker 2: with some real talent and being guarded by the second
Speaker 2: best defender in every situation and immediately be useful and
Speaker 2: like the volume is, The key like it's not when
Speaker 2: everyone knows you're a great shooter and you're still getting
Speaker 2: seven to seven and, a half three is off. A
Speaker 2: game those are the tricks of. The trade good shooters
Speaker 2: know how to, get open and he knows how to
Speaker 2: get open. In ACTION and i just think there's a
Speaker 2: lot of like really translatable stuff with him, Right away
Speaker 2: and as far as the defensive end of the, floor
Speaker 2: goes like we saw buddy within a system become a
Speaker 2: useful defender because it's. Culturally demanded and that doesn't Mean
Speaker 2: that trey's gonna Go to washington and suddenly learn how
Speaker 2: to be a. Great defender but they are slowly sort
Speaker 2: of building out some defensive culture with some. Defensive talent,
Speaker 2: and Again and i'm a big believer that anyone's people
Speaker 2: under the right. Surrounding circumstances as the number seven pick
Speaker 2: is in And The New orleans pelicans Are Taking, jeremiah
Speaker 2: fears anybody got, a take.
Speaker 3: IT'S exciting, i mean definitely very high upside kind of
Speaker 3: boom or bust because there's a Lot That jeremiah fears
Speaker 3: does need to refine and. Figure out but he is
Speaker 3: definitely one of the most dynamic offensive talents in, this
Speaker 3: DRAFT and i like him going. Top ten there are
Speaker 3: a lot of PEOPLE who i think were kind of
Speaker 3: out on him to the point where they didn't see
Speaker 3: him as a. LOTTERY talent i had him eight on my.
Speaker 3: Big board so the sales pitch here, is basically this
Speaker 3: is a guard who is going to live in, the
Speaker 3: paint who has, the quickness who has, the physicality who
Speaker 3: has the change in pace as a driver who has
Speaker 3: the footwork navigating, the paint fantastic, ball handler nasty, hesitation move,
Speaker 3: really shifty and then once he gets into, that paint
Speaker 3: nice float. Or touch he's also got a nice little
Speaker 3: mid range pull up game and gets to the line
Speaker 3: a ton over six free throw attempts, per game and
Speaker 3: with all of that, rim pressure he just draws so
Speaker 3: much defensive attention that he can playmake off of at pretty.
Speaker 3: High level he can make the laydown passes and the
Speaker 3: kickouts and the, wrap rounds and he can make those
Speaker 3: adjustments in mid air to find. His teammates he can
Speaker 3: make the occasional, skip pass so really was quite, an
Speaker 3: efficient high volume pick and. Roll creator that's everything that
Speaker 3: you love about, the offense because when you can just
Speaker 3: get into the paint like that and make, the reads
Speaker 3: that's incredibly appealing to build any offense Off of the
Speaker 3: concerns and the swing factors for him are the three
Speaker 3: point shot just over twenty eight percent. From deep that's
Speaker 3: what he was in high school, as well but you
Speaker 3: see the indicators of like elite free throw shooter eighty.
Speaker 3: Five percent he's got really good touch in the paint
Speaker 3: from the. Mid range he shot thirty six percent off
Speaker 3: the catch, from deep so that's a. Better number, and
Speaker 3: again he has the, space creation he has all the
Speaker 3: handling and the footwork to get those. Shots off just
Speaker 3: has to be more consistent there. The, finishing also he
Speaker 3: only shot fifty three percent at, the rim so you
Speaker 3: want to see that. Number improve and he was a
Speaker 3: high turnover GUY that i probably attribute a fair bit
Speaker 3: of to just him having a crazy. OFFENSIVE load i
Speaker 3: also do think though sometimes he did make some. Questionable
Speaker 3: decisions and then the, DEFENSIVE issues i think that that's
Speaker 3: just a reality whenever you're trying to build around a
Speaker 3: small guard six two and a half with a six
Speaker 3: y five wing span IN, today's, nba like your offensive
Speaker 3: value has to be so great that it outweighs your
Speaker 3: defensive issues in an era where everybody is trying to
Speaker 3: target defensive week points and bring those small guards into
Speaker 3: the action over and, over again and that's a more
Speaker 3: significant concern than. Ever before but the guy doesn't turn Nineteen.
Speaker 3: Until july he's so talented and if he just figures that,
Speaker 3: shot out he's one of the few guys who does
Speaker 3: have star potential in. This class And For New orleans
Speaker 3: man what do you have going? For you everything's, A
Speaker 3: disaster like you might as well take on the high.
Speaker 3: Upside talent could the case for like trying to get
Speaker 3: a THREE and d GUY who i guess could help them,
Speaker 3: Win now but you're not, Winning NOW so i lean
Speaker 3: on the side of liking this.
Speaker 1: FOR them i think fears is?
Speaker 2: This.
Speaker 1: OKAY sorry i think he's the biggest boom or bust
Speaker 1: guy in. The class it's funny because like you're reading
Speaker 1: out kind of the laundry list of, the concerns like
Speaker 1: he's a tenth percentile guy protecting the basketball in, this
Speaker 1: draft he's sixteenth percentile and finishing at. The rim but
Speaker 1: you do see. The UPSIDE so i think it's a very,
Speaker 1: high risk high reward play Here For. New orleans but
Speaker 1: there's legitimate. Star upside he's. SUPER shifty i think he's
Speaker 1: got the best handle in. The draft great change. In
Speaker 1: pace it's like taking a, big uppercut. YOU know i
Speaker 1: think this is a big Swing For. New orleans they're
Speaker 1: either going to leave themselves susceptible for a nasty counter
Speaker 1: knockout punch and maybe lose. It all But like, CARSON said,
Speaker 1: i mean you're not there's no timeline. Right NOW like
Speaker 1: i like them taking the risk and taking a big,
Speaker 1: WING here i do like, fears upside but there also
Speaker 1: is a chance where he maybe just doesn't cut it
Speaker 1: in the league because of.
Speaker 4: His archetype, FOR me i am a, big fan and
Speaker 4: the guy he reminds me most of is a guy
Speaker 4: who's taken a little bit later something there wasn't as much.
Speaker 4: Risk Involved But tyre's maxie a guy who is, lightning
Speaker 4: quick and there were a lot of indicators that his
Speaker 4: jumper was gonna, be okay even though the numbers in
Speaker 4: college weren't. That good and that's what it reminds me,
Speaker 4: of too with a mid range pull up the free. Throw,
Speaker 4: shooting aesthetically it looks like like it should be a,
Speaker 4: good jumper and he just didn't hit it at a
Speaker 4: super high rate. In COLLEGE so i would just be
Speaker 4: comfortable betting that his three point jumper sort of develops
Speaker 4: in a very, similar way maybe not As. Good max
Speaker 4: he's has become kind. OF elite i don't know if
Speaker 4: it becomes, that good but his similar, ultra fast great change,
Speaker 4: of pace small point guard that there were some shooting
Speaker 4: questions and he figured.
Speaker 2: Us, out yeah We've seen we've been talking so much
Speaker 2: over the course of the last couple of months about
Speaker 2: dribble penetration in, the value especially against teams that, can
Speaker 2: switch especially when teams can switch with their Big Like
Speaker 2: chat holmgren And The Olahoma city series is along, the
Speaker 2: way and, you know WE saw tj McConnell take on
Speaker 2: a great deal of value because of his ability to
Speaker 2: get into. THE paint i think it's a big part
Speaker 2: of what Made The cleveland cavaliers so dynamic this year
Speaker 2: was the Idea That darius garland was healthy and he
Speaker 2: could just get into the paint. At will there are
Speaker 2: pieces that come attached. To That darius garland is an
Speaker 2: example of a guy who can get into the paint
Speaker 2: at will and that has all, the playmaking but there
Speaker 2: have been, issues defensively there have been issues, with health
Speaker 2: and there have been issues with his ability to actually
Speaker 2: knock down jump shots when he gets into, the postseason,
Speaker 2: because inevitably when you get into, the postseason you just encounter.
Speaker 2: Tougher CIRCUMSTANCES so i think that'll ultimately be the biggest
Speaker 2: swing factor, is that, you know, the shooting, the playmaking and.
Speaker 2: The defense but, you know we talked about It With,
Speaker 2: John moran we talked about it with a lot of
Speaker 2: some of these other guys around. The league it's a
Speaker 2: really strong foundation when you have something that other teams
Speaker 2: can't really, mess with and if you've got old to,
Speaker 2: make quickness the ability to beat your man off, the
Speaker 2: dribble that brings a great deal of value IN, the
Speaker 2: nba as long as you can build the rest of
Speaker 2: the construct. Around that waiting on pick number eight For The,
Speaker 2: brooklyn nets what the hell Are The brooklyn?
Speaker 4: NETS doing i can't believe it in, TRADE out i
Speaker 4: can't believe that the.
Speaker 3: Best player on the Board that's malu watch, to ME
Speaker 3: but i am really HIGH on i just Think. TRADE
Speaker 3: claxton i Think that claxton is kind of misaligned with.
Speaker 3: Your timeline he's on a. MOVABLE contract i guess he
Speaker 3: didn't have his, best season so it's a little bit
Speaker 3: on the. Big SIDE but i just don't Think the
Speaker 3: nets are really in a position to be doing anything
Speaker 3: other than best player, Available, here like who are they
Speaker 3: really prioritizing and, saying no we won't draft to replace
Speaker 3: you if we think that guy's the. Best talent and,
Speaker 3: To Me mala watches quite clearly the best talent on
Speaker 3: the board at. THIS point I.
Speaker 4: Like balla watch this video of Inside the nets. War
Speaker 4: room they. Seem it it's.
Speaker 2: Super stoke on the crazy howick for a, long Night Like.
Speaker 3: MALO watch.
Speaker 4: I Like. Malo watch I'm A Queen derek. QUEEN fan
Speaker 4: i think he'd be. Fun There but i'm A Big mala.
Speaker 1: Watch guy i'm A Big derek queen. GUY too i
Speaker 1: do have some concerns about. Him defensively that was what
Speaker 1: Me and carson. Talked About when queens fit with a lot,
Speaker 1: of teams we'd like to see him go to a
Speaker 1: team With like i'd like to see him Go To
Speaker 1: san antonio because ideally you'd like to put him at
Speaker 1: the four alongside of five that can one protect the
Speaker 1: rim and also space. The FLOOR but i Do like
Speaker 1: queen's game. A lot he just feels like a bit of.
Speaker 1: A TWEENER but i.
Speaker 4: Don't Know the.
Speaker 1: Nets seem like they got, their guy whoever it.
Speaker 2: May Be byu oh, My gosh.
Speaker 3: Oh, my gosh the worst pick of the draft, so far.
Speaker 2: BY far i was, GONNA say i haven't even gotten
Speaker 2: to an Eval of.
Speaker 4: IGOR yet i Actually, like demon But that's i'm very SKEPTICAL.
Speaker 1: Of, U look demon's, got UPSIDE but i have a
Speaker 1: lot of red Flags. ABOUT demon i mean, primarily, LIKE
Speaker 1: defensively i think this guy is a weak point where
Speaker 1: EVERY game i FELT like i watched him on tape
Speaker 1: he's getting blown by somebody's big. Bodying him like he's
Speaker 1: tall and long, AND like i see the playmaking upside
Speaker 1: in the, ball handling but he's gonna be a primary
Speaker 1: ball HANDLER that i don't really trust as. A SCORE
Speaker 1: so i think his value is. Limited today or WHY
Speaker 1: would i put the ball in the hands of a
Speaker 1: guy who can't really create advantages for himself and he's
Speaker 1: gonna be a. Defensive liability i'm not gonna lie, to.
Speaker 1: YOU guys I liked demon like as a pick in.
Speaker 1: THE twenties i didn't like him as.
Speaker 3: We're talking about archetypes that you can see succeeding and
Speaker 3: players who have a path that they can follow and
Speaker 3: they do things that translate. Into me this is the
Speaker 3: epitome of the archetype that people fall in love with every,
Speaker 3: draft cycle and it. Doesn't work the big guard who
Speaker 3: is a super gifted passer but cannot score the basketball
Speaker 3: and is going to be attacked. Relentlessly defensively those guys
Speaker 3: don't succeed as like actual building blocks as a bench, ball,
Speaker 3: handler sure but there's just way too much. Clunkiness there
Speaker 3: you can't entrust a guy with being responsible for your
Speaker 3: offense if you cannot trust him to consistently threaten the
Speaker 3: defense with, his scoring which he can then leverage. Into
Speaker 3: playmaking you have to be respected as a scorer first
Speaker 3: to be a super, impactful PASSER and i just have
Speaker 3: major questions in red Flags with demon as. A scorer
Speaker 3: he's a good. Ball handler he does have really, good
Speaker 3: size but he doesn't get to the rim or the line.
Speaker 3: Very much he doesn't get super low or explode on.
Speaker 3: His drives he's not a real one on one. Advantage
Speaker 3: CREATOR and i think that he can struggle with. Ball
Speaker 3: pressure he can struggle to play and finish Through contract
Speaker 3: and the shooting numbers are, Not good like the shot mechanics,
Speaker 3: look solid but twenty five percent on jumpers off, the
Speaker 3: dribble under seventy per cent from, the line and in,
Speaker 3: conference play this is a guy who averaged nine point
Speaker 3: eight points, per game three point two turnovers on forty
Speaker 3: seven percent. True shooting While like, LOGAN says i do
Speaker 3: think he is going to be. Attacked DEFENSIVELY like i love,
Speaker 3: Beautiful passing demon is the best passer in, THIS class
Speaker 3: i don't think he can leverage that enough to nearly justify.
Speaker 3: This Pick like, LOGAN said i would have taken Him
Speaker 3: twenty THAT'S when i would have been comfortable with the risk.
Speaker 3: Reward here there's a number of GUYS who i would.
Speaker 3: Have preferred.
Speaker 2: So we. Did see we did see the draft room get.
Speaker 2: Very stoked so what's the upside?
Speaker 3: The inside it would make, your say why the upside
Speaker 3: is there's more there as a jump shooter off, the
Speaker 3: dribble that's. Basically it or he basically finds an ability
Speaker 3: to get downhill more effectively and then he can make
Speaker 3: the most of all. The shooting like if you were
Speaker 3: to think of a Comp, for demon it would kind
Speaker 3: of have To Be, josh Giddy And josh giddy if
Speaker 3: he can make forty percent of his threes and do
Speaker 3: it with some volume off, the dribble is a very
Speaker 3: different Player Than, josh giddy who makes twenty eight to
Speaker 3: thirty percent of his threes at. Low volumes so where
Speaker 3: does that jump shot? End up is the swing factor,
Speaker 3: For sure i'm just not optimistic. ABOUT that.
Speaker 2: I think kiddy just Went For alex crusoe. STRAIGHT up.
Speaker 4: I was, GONNA say i feel like the floor ceiling
Speaker 4: comp is maybe, not floor but he Feels like giddy
Speaker 4: has an archetype for. His floor but the Upside Is.
Speaker 4: Tyres halibert if you're making, the case, YOU'RE like, i
Speaker 4: mean he was. LIKE playing i don't think his jumper
Speaker 4: is ever going to get to. THAT point i don't think.
Speaker 4: He has he has sort of like the overall the
Speaker 4: floor managing abilities. That him but if you're trying to
Speaker 4: pitch yourself on what does big guard best passer in
Speaker 4: the class, look like it's sort of it's almost like
Speaker 4: they just watched, the finals, were like that's how did
Speaker 4: we get one? Of those and it, FEELS yeah, i mean.
Speaker 3: Don't get is such a. Big question whereas It's like
Speaker 3: hallie knew he was one of the best shooters in
Speaker 3: the class and had already proved himself as a really
Speaker 3: good off ball player and all this Stuff that giddy
Speaker 3: Hadn't and. Demon hasn't.
Speaker 1: It's really rare for a guy to be this tall
Speaker 1: and long and to be, this skilled like he's legitimately
Speaker 1: like six' nine with a six, to eleven wingspan but
Speaker 1: he's not a. High end. ATHLETE he's slow i really
Speaker 1: think his ceiling and maybe floor is solely dependent on
Speaker 1: like his off the dribble shooting and. Three point Shooting,
Speaker 1: SHOUT out brooklyn. I guess man i mean.
Speaker 2: Time will tell so at number nine We Have, the
Speaker 2: toronto raptors a team that was the second best DEFENSE
Speaker 2: in The Nba Post. All star break they always gotta
Speaker 2: be a little wary of that kind of thing once
Speaker 2: we get into, the you Know kind of february on,
Speaker 2: with the numbers but this is a team that has shown. Some,
Speaker 2: defensive upside obviously they have their big Picture Star. In
Speaker 2: scottie Barnes who does toronto take yere? At Number, Nine
Speaker 2: malow watch.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna keep pitching.
Speaker 2: And then a.
Speaker 4: YAKA pearl trade I think a. Yaka pearl trade you
Speaker 4: lean into this sort of, like super huge super athletic
Speaker 4: defensive identity, if you're.
Speaker 2: THEM but don't. I don't know just the catch and
Speaker 2: finish Thing with malaw watch is what everyone's scared about
Speaker 2: after what happened. In the tournament is there anybody who's
Speaker 2: Willing to play devil's advocate There and defend malawatch? FOR
Speaker 2: what Happened.
Speaker 4: I like MALAWATCH i think i THINK he's got i
Speaker 4: think he's got surprisingly, good TOUCH actually and i think
Speaker 4: that the free throw numbers. ARE like shot i was
Speaker 4: kind of shocked at how good of a free throw.
Speaker 4: SHOOTER he is i think that is some just he
Speaker 4: he needs a. Little more time he is kind of
Speaker 4: a raw prospect on the offensive end, of the floor
Speaker 4: but exactly he is one of those which feels very
Speaker 4: RAPTORS and so i DO think that i do think
Speaker 4: that he is going to develop considerably more on the
Speaker 4: Offensive en than I'm not something. I'm worried about not
Speaker 4: that he's, going to, be you know ever going to
Speaker 4: be a go, TO offensive player. I DON'T think but
Speaker 4: i think the catch and finish ability is gonna is
Speaker 4: not an.
Speaker 1: Issue at all, AND he, SAID i think i mean
Speaker 1: he's a, real defensive, Anchor immediate impact like put him
Speaker 1: in the middle and he's gonna make you a. Really
Speaker 1: Good defense Like i'm also i'm really excited about, Him
Speaker 1: offensively too like very very, small sample size but he
Speaker 1: was sixty three percent out of. The mid range he
Speaker 1: was seventy seven percent. At the rim like some of
Speaker 1: that is a byproduct of, his SHOT selection but i
Speaker 1: like that the guy takes shots he's confident, going up
Speaker 1: with and his defensive floor. Is so high and maybe
Speaker 1: PEOPLE have like ptsd of the slow, footed BIG men
Speaker 1: but i really like how he moves his, feet IN
Speaker 1: space and i think he defends well. And drop, COVERAGE
Speaker 1: like again i had him number four, on My, Board
Speaker 1: like carson i'm really surprised that he. HASN'T gone yet
Speaker 1: i think this guy is one of those big men
Speaker 1: that's just gonna immediately come in and be. A STUD
Speaker 1: defensively like i Pointed to, kling in earlier that's not a,
Speaker 1: one for one but it's kind of THE guy that i.
Speaker 1: Would point to. It's really similar just, a high floor
Speaker 1: a medio.
Speaker 3: In impact big seven to one with a seven to,
Speaker 3: seven wings span already two point fifty at, eighteen years
Speaker 3: old who can. MOVE like this i mean he was
Speaker 3: a ninety ninth percentile efficiency finisher Off the role he
Speaker 3: had a true shooting percentage of ninety one as. A role, man,
Speaker 3: so like yeah the above the rim stuff finished so many.
Speaker 3: Lobs this year, but Then also, LIKE jackson said i
Speaker 3: think one of the most intriguing aspects is the legitimate
Speaker 3: flashes of touch, that we've seen not even saying he's
Speaker 3: ever going to be like, a stretch big but just
Speaker 3: having that little push shot float or, hook shot game
Speaker 3: being able to knock. Down free throws we know that
Speaker 3: that's a. Legitimate difference maker and then the defensive versatility
Speaker 3: and knowing that he's only been playing for four years
Speaker 3: and he's one of the younger players. In, THIS draft
Speaker 3: like i Just think the florida ceiling ratio here in
Speaker 3: an archetype that we know, is really valuable that sort of.
Speaker 3: Two way big. I'M all in i. Love the talent.
Speaker 2: This is interesting Toronto Just Took colin, murray boyles instead
Speaker 2: a guy who Kind Of plays, scottie barnes's, position a big,
Speaker 2: lefty hybrid, forward power player good, around the rim underrated
Speaker 2: defensive players, From versatility there what do you Guys? Think
Speaker 2: about colin they.
Speaker 3: Got tocraft in these, Rangey, wings.
Speaker 1: Man like yeah how many of these guys can They they.
Speaker 3: Get it's ridiculous. THIS is high i do like a
Speaker 3: lot of what You Get From. COLIN murray boyles i
Speaker 3: think that he's one of the best defensive talents. IN
Speaker 3: this class i think that you're getting extreme versatility. From,
Speaker 3: HIM there offensively i think you have more questions about
Speaker 3: where is he going to fit in because he's going to. Be,
Speaker 3: a four like he is a very good rebounder. For
Speaker 3: his size he's a, good rim protector but he's not.
Speaker 3: A defensive anchor it's more his versatility that's the. Selling
Speaker 3: point there so you have to find a role for
Speaker 3: him that is going to be, more perimeter centric and
Speaker 3: that's where the jump shot is a big. Question and
Speaker 3: concern he's a seventy percent. Free throw shooter he made
Speaker 3: nine to, threes all year shot twenty six, Percent FROM
Speaker 3: deep so i think he's going to be below average as.
Speaker 3: A jump shooter he has to get into that sort
Speaker 3: of a average range to. Justify this value and then
Speaker 3: he does DO things that I like offensive like he's,
Speaker 3: got good feel he's a pretty, Good rim finisher he's
Speaker 3: got good instincts. As a cutter he has some mismatch
Speaker 3: attacking potential as a, post, up player like he definitely.
Speaker 3: HAS game there i just don't know how much. He'll
Speaker 3: be utilized but he's, got a nice little skilled. Face
Speaker 3: up game he's got some good passing feel like he
Speaker 3: does a lot of. Connective winning stuff this is just
Speaker 3: high FOR me when i do have questions about his
Speaker 3: OFFENSIVE role and i don't really see. The ceiling there
Speaker 3: if they were gonna take a wing and he's not,
Speaker 3: really a wing he's more, of a forward like he's more.
Speaker 3: Of a four there WERE guys who i liked more
Speaker 3: and if they wanted like a, DEFENSIVE minded big i
Speaker 3: Would Have, taken mala watch and he's kind of like
Speaker 3: walking the line between those. Two roles almost he's, A
Speaker 3: nice player but this is too. HIGH for, Me.
Speaker 1: I mean na've Gift wrapped mally Watch.
Speaker 2: To.
Speaker 1: The suns man, oh, my god, right you're.
Speaker 3: Right you're right if they, mess this up an award
Speaker 3: of some kind.
Speaker 2: That.
Speaker 3: WOULD be incredible.
Speaker 2: I think we've we've seen so many kind of guys
Speaker 2: that come through that fit this mold where it's like
Speaker 2: they're looking for, that like undersized big slash forward who's
Speaker 2: a good playmaker and a versatile Defender ever since. Draymond
Speaker 2: HAD success but I do think colin has, real physical
Speaker 2: tools WHICH is Something i think draymond was contending with
Speaker 2: at his. In His Time but i'm i'm a big.
Speaker 2: Believer in power i'm a big believer in physical power
Speaker 2: that can. Move, its feet yeah it's when you can
Speaker 2: move your feet and you. BRING real power i think
Speaker 2: that there's. Real VALUE there and i think, that you
Speaker 2: know big guys that can play out, of the role that,
Speaker 2: can beat switches that can also guard multiple positions and be.
Speaker 2: A backline defender i think. THERE'S value there i think.
Speaker 2: There's CERTAINLY upside but i can't get my mind off
Speaker 2: The idea Of phoenix having malawatch fall right into their lap.
Speaker 4: And watch them. MESS it up i was, about to
Speaker 4: say we haven't and until the, pick is In wait
Speaker 4: for phoenix. To, do something.
Speaker 2: Okay who does phoenix Take? INSTEAD of malwatch.
Speaker 4: I don't know it's, gotta, BE him, right I mean
Speaker 4: he's i beel he's.
Speaker 2: The best player what about what about?
Speaker 4: Best player available and they've been talking About?
Speaker 2: What about Coward What? About carter bryant like a role
Speaker 2: player wing, that's an athletic physical player To Be alongside
Speaker 2: dylan brooks and at a physical identity.
Speaker 1: TO the team i, Wouldn't hate that but like just
Speaker 1: considering the circumstances they were in last YEAR with big
Speaker 1: nrk at the five and not being able. To play
Speaker 1: defense it's just foolish to me to not center is
Speaker 1: where you can have, the most, impact you know as.
Speaker 1: A DEFENSIVE player and I think maldu watch is. An
Speaker 1: elite defender the is gonna be really GOOD at the.
Speaker 1: NBA level immediately i think the funniest pick is if
Speaker 1: they went With Somebody like derek queen or something, and,
Speaker 1: is like yeah we're gonna run some offense through him on.
Speaker 4: The Low block so mishbia is kind of a, college basketball,
Speaker 4: head you Know As a michigan state person SAID that
Speaker 4: would i really hope he keeps.
Speaker 1: His hands, OFF you know I wouldn't HATE bryant or
Speaker 1: i like both. OF their games I Definitely. LIKE coward
Speaker 1: more i just think he's gonna. Be a winner but
Speaker 1: they've got so many guys on, The wings already like
Speaker 1: their entire roster Is Like, Book Jayalen, Green Dylan, Brooks
Speaker 1: ryan Dunn It's. Like brad beale you can only have
Speaker 1: so many twos and threes. ON your roster i just
Speaker 1: think it would be really foolish to allocate your. Most
Speaker 1: valuable asset, this, is again guys they got ONE Pickback.
Speaker 1: For kd man you gotta make. This, THING worthwhile like
Speaker 1: i think this is a huge misstep if They.
Speaker 4: Don't.
Speaker 1: Take malu watch.
Speaker 2: Do you Guys think that phoenix is gonna at least
Speaker 2: have some bit Of hesitation with malatch in some of,
Speaker 2: his rebounding issues given that they were Such A terrible
Speaker 2: rebut i.
Speaker 3: Think the rebounding stuff probably has more to do with
Speaker 3: the amount he was playing out, In SPACE defensively and
Speaker 3: i think that that's an indicator of like one of,
Speaker 3: his cool abilities which is that he is this massive
Speaker 3: human being who can, move his feed who isn't necessarily
Speaker 3: going to switch a ton but will switch some and
Speaker 3: can play up. At THE level like i think he's
Speaker 3: going to be. A good rebounder i also think he's
Speaker 3: a better shot blocker than some of the raw numbers.
Speaker 3: Would indicate it even, like per, forty you know his rebounding.
Speaker 3: Numbers aren't bad he's a really, good offensive rebounder which
Speaker 3: is part Of the reason i'm encouraged about the defensive
Speaker 3: rebounding being better. THAN the, numbers i mean two point
Speaker 3: seven offensive, rebounds a game and. Twenty one minutes that's.
Speaker 3: Pretty damn good you got to.
Speaker 2: Be a physical lass kicker to get that. Many offensive
Speaker 2: rebounds i'm with. You on that are we annoyed At
Speaker 2: All the houston rockets. On the screen.
Speaker 4: It's so dumb. It's so dumb it confused me for
Speaker 4: a second of prep. Making a, graphic, oh wow okay
Speaker 4: we got. A sham's report. Wow A Trade the charlotte
Speaker 4: Hornets Are trading mark Williams To the phoenix suns for
Speaker 4: the number twenty nine pick and a twenty twenty nine. First,
Speaker 4: round pick wow you could have.
Speaker 1: Had the better you could have. Had the Better duke
Speaker 1: big man without.
Speaker 2: Going up on the pick is. Still coming in they
Speaker 2: Might Take. Both Mark williams mark, WILLIAMS to me i
Speaker 2: did a deep e val into Him, for the lakers
Speaker 2: so we could talk about him. IN a minute i
Speaker 2: have to see what. This pick is this is. GONNA
Speaker 2: be interesting.
Speaker 4: I do like getting a way out in the future First.
Speaker 4: From the suns that way like a savvy move from
Speaker 4: then They got the sons gave the number twenty nine
Speaker 4: tonight and a twenty twenty nine to twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: Nine, first round yeah but is that one of the
Speaker 2: three first that, they got back it might not, be
Speaker 2: their pick. That's the thing it might because remember they flipped.
Speaker 2: That one pick. They had picks they don't even.
Speaker 3: Have that from twenty six to thirty. One, ghost sons
Speaker 3: okay here.
Speaker 2: Comes adam self.
Speaker 4: Funky deal to happen while you're. On the clock that's
Speaker 4: got to be like defense for not taking.
Speaker 2: Them all Away it took why are?
Speaker 4: You making much what in the world? Is going on.
Speaker 2: Here's The Thing. With mark williams this is a team
Speaker 2: that's been bad at center for, a long time so
Speaker 2: they're probably trying. To stock up but they've Got The
Speaker 2: entire charlotte hornet center rotation in house now that that they.
Speaker 2: Can Rely On the mark williams is a very, good
Speaker 2: role man a very, good offensive rebounder but he is
Speaker 2: legitimately atrocious on defense and apparently the medical. Was really,
Speaker 2: NASTY so like i wouldn't want To Rely on mark
Speaker 2: williams as. A starting center do you think this is
Speaker 2: mostly an attempt to essentially offer insurance, at the position
Speaker 2: or taking a young player to play center in a
Speaker 2: dead serious team that's got a bunch, of win Now Guys,
Speaker 2: In Devin, Booker Bradley. Beal dylan brooks you've got some young,
Speaker 2: talent In House, like ryan dunn but it's not exactly a.
Speaker 2: Bright bright future but you bring in, a young player
Speaker 2: But You have mark williams as kind of an insurance
Speaker 2: policy against. THE young players i.
Speaker 3: Just Don't know if i'd be giving up To First, for,
Speaker 3: mark WILLIAMS because like i agree, With, YOUR evaluation jason
Speaker 3: i think clearly, THE offensive, talent i mean the athleticism pops.
Speaker 3: At his size we even saw a little bit of
Speaker 3: passing feel from, him this year but like major. Major,
Speaker 3: availability concerns obviously the trade got Rescinded. With the Lakers Lakers,
Speaker 3: legend mark williams, and then defensively the, Tools are there
Speaker 3: like we saw it, as a rookie he saw it,
Speaker 3: as a prospect and then it's just like falling off
Speaker 3: a cliff and so how much is he going to
Speaker 3: be able to? Turn that around it's kind of. HARD
Speaker 3: to say I do like mala watch, more long TERM
Speaker 3: and so i do think that they kind Of Overpaid
Speaker 3: for mark williams if they're gonna have. Both these guys,
Speaker 3: That being said i'm glad That. THEY took malawatch i
Speaker 3: don't think it's crazy for them to invest kind of
Speaker 3: big in two different. CENTERS this offseason i Do Think
Speaker 3: the mark williams thing is a bit, of AN overpay
Speaker 3: but i mean they needed to retool their, entire center
Speaker 3: situation and they got the best talent on the board
Speaker 3: here at their biggest. Position of need now they have
Speaker 3: their offensively. In client center they have their defensively in
Speaker 3: CLIENT set who i do think has some. Offensive upside
Speaker 3: too they have their guy who is year four more ready,
Speaker 3: to play now and then they have their rookiees eighteen
Speaker 3: and has played four, years OF basketball so i can
Speaker 3: kind of. See the vision at the end, Of the
Speaker 3: day i'm just happy They took mala watch and didn't
Speaker 3: mess it up. On that front to watch his.
Speaker 1: We, pick you need you need somebody to grab. All
Speaker 1: The bricks jalen green's gonna be. Laying Up there.
Speaker 4: The sham's clarified the twenty twenty. Nine first rounder it's
Speaker 4: the least favorable OF.
Speaker 3: So no i was talking about the twenty ninth pick
Speaker 3: and the twenty something pick in. Twenty twenty nine those
Speaker 3: are two those aren't not, valuable first rounders let's not there,
Speaker 3: when you consider you know what.
Speaker 2: It COULD be so i actually have a hilarious story to. Tell,
Speaker 2: you guys so do you guys Remember When the nick
Speaker 2: richards trade went? DOWN? Last, year I Uh. Because paul
Speaker 2: farrington you Guys. All know paul he just. Messaged With
Speaker 2: me paul farrington used to. Produce this. Show he uh
Speaker 2: he one day, got a legitimate like twenty five minute
Speaker 2: Like Reaction to mark williams getting Traded to THE suns
Speaker 2: because i misread THE report and I did all i
Speaker 2: did all the prep and recorded like a full length
Speaker 2: This Is what mark williams would be able To Do
Speaker 2: alongside Kevin Durant and devin, booker trade Reaction and literally,
Speaker 2: Paul texts, me he's like Did You? Mean mark williams
Speaker 2: like are you aware That It's? Actually NICK richards and i?
Speaker 2: Was like WHAT and then i went and read THE
Speaker 2: report and i felt like, a total BUMBASS and then
Speaker 2: i told him to scrap it and pretend. It never happened,
Speaker 2: so maybe somewhere Maybe Somewhere on, paul farrington's computer we can,
Speaker 2: find the Uh The original mark Williams to. The sun's
Speaker 2: reaction it's a little little dated now since the roster
Speaker 2: is a, Little atty, Different, But yeah, logan logan's right
Speaker 2: there's gonna be a lot of. Bricks to grab so
Speaker 2: while We wait for portland to make, their next pick
Speaker 2: what did you Guys make of boston and Them Pivoting
Speaker 2: to anthony simons and shedding some salary over the course
Speaker 2: OF the last i think that.
Speaker 3: THIS was inevitable i think that we all knew that
Speaker 3: they were going to be trying to get OFF of
Speaker 3: Those kp. And drew contracts it was clear that a
Speaker 3: major priority for ownership was going to be getting under
Speaker 3: the second ape or not having to pay an, egregious
Speaker 3: tax bill and those are the two contracts that you
Speaker 3: look at to. MAKE it happen i, think that overall
Speaker 3: they did it a. Pretty Nice job like i'm NOT.
Speaker 3: The biggest. DNT simon's guy i think that he is
Speaker 3: a difficult archetype to really entrust with a significant role
Speaker 3: or to pay a really. High dollar value and it's
Speaker 3: the same sort of push pull we've. Been talking about,
Speaker 3: very skilled offensively but will he be efficient enough impactful
Speaker 3: as a playmaker to justify that he's a? Terrible defensive
Speaker 3: player probably, not big picture but, for this. Year why
Speaker 3: not you. Need more Creation obviously, with tatum out you
Speaker 3: need a guy who can produce some offense for. You
Speaker 3: with volume he, can do that and it's a one
Speaker 3: year trial and then you see where you. GO from
Speaker 3: there i think Getting off the drew contract is a.
Speaker 3: Win for them getting back two second rounders. IS a
Speaker 3: win i thought they really made out nicely. With that
Speaker 3: deal AND then, the kp one it's more just like kind,
Speaker 3: of all right they got, off his contract, like you
Speaker 3: know they get back basically, nothing to Do And it's
Speaker 3: george nang and. A second rounder he wasn't expiring all, the,
Speaker 3: AVAILABILITY questions like i get why he wasn't super coveted.
Speaker 3: AS an asset i like that a Lot for THE
Speaker 3: hawks and i like It. FOR the nets i think
Speaker 3: both those teams made out with. More Interesting, packages for
Speaker 3: boston it's just like. This makes Sense everybody Around white
Speaker 3: and Tatum And probably jalen brown was. Gonna be expendable
Speaker 3: and Then they've Got prichard and hawser on their really
Speaker 3: team friendly deals and we'll See if al, horford sticks
Speaker 3: around that's gonna be your. Group going forward but you're
Speaker 3: gonna be transitioning to a pretty dramatically Different era of
Speaker 3: celtics basketball Around that when. Tatum comes back.
Speaker 2: We haven't really seen a Lead. Guard like anthony simon's
Speaker 2: a true lead guard that can beat his man off
Speaker 2: the dribble and kind of provide some real downhill speed
Speaker 2: with the Ball In this boston celtics System like now kyrie,
Speaker 2: even you know obviously it was a. MUCH lesser roster
Speaker 2: I just think i think there's a certain amount of
Speaker 2: like big lead Guard speed that Anthony brings that i'm
Speaker 2: just curious to see what. It LOOKS like and i
Speaker 2: think it's kind of. An interesting flyer like you you
Speaker 2: could just literally let his contract run out and view
Speaker 2: it as an opportunity to just shed salary if, You
Speaker 2: wanted to but in the, in the meantime you get
Speaker 2: to find out what it looks like. In this system and,
Speaker 2: Like you know portland has been a dumpster fire for
Speaker 2: a variety of reasons over the, last Several years but
Speaker 2: boston kind of is the quintessential place where people learn
Speaker 2: how to, play modern BASKETBALL and so i think that
Speaker 2: there's a potential upside there that at least makes it
Speaker 2: Exciting me and jackson were talking about this, the, other
Speaker 2: day like at, The very least inferny Being in a
Speaker 2: celtics jersey kind of makes next season a little More exciting.
Speaker 2: For celtics fans.
Speaker 4: We did just get The report From shams that i'm
Speaker 4: sure will be COMING across the tv. In A second
Speaker 4: the trailblazers are trading the Pick To, the memphis grizzlies
Speaker 4: and the pick is, Your Guys's Boy Cedric Coward Dylan
Speaker 4: Brooks replacemented. DYLAN brooks replace i.
Speaker 3: ABSOLUTELY love, IT i mean i think it's a really,
Speaker 3: Good Value pick like coward is one, of my guys if. Not,
Speaker 3: my guy honestly Probably him and malawatch are the two
Speaker 3: guys in The lottery who i'm maybe the highest on compared.
Speaker 3: To the consensus but this is a guy who wasn't
Speaker 3: really super high on a lot of people's radars because
Speaker 3: he only played six games this year before. He got
Speaker 3: hurt He Was at washington state and before that He Was.
Speaker 3: At eastern washington but truly one Of the players i'm
Speaker 3: most confident in translating to being a real quality wing and,
Speaker 3: a quality starter got awesome measurables. For a wing six
Speaker 3: six with a seven. To two wingspan that's just phenomenal
Speaker 3: length and size at the position and does so many
Speaker 3: of those things that you want from. A, starting wing like,
Speaker 3: first of all the. Efficiency is incredible this guy's basically
Speaker 3: seventy percent on twos and forty percent on threes over
Speaker 3: multiple years. OF college basketball i think he's an elite.
Speaker 3: Three point shooter he's got a mid range pull up
Speaker 3: game when he's attacking close outs playing, off the bounce
Speaker 3: and then he's got good passing feel and. Connective abilities
Speaker 3: there he's just A very, high iq guy takes what the,
Speaker 3: defense gives him can score inside the ark and is
Speaker 3: an elite shooter. From beyond it and he can make
Speaker 3: the reads as a passer, and then defensively, great screen,
Speaker 3: navigator super, fluid agile mover and obviously the length. Is
Speaker 3: super impactful so he's. Almost twenty two the ceiling, isn't
Speaker 3: the highest but the floor legitimately is. Among the highest And,
Speaker 3: if you're memphis this is what You want right you
Speaker 3: want a wing who can contribute right now on both
Speaker 3: sides of the ball and help you revitalize. YOUR playoff
Speaker 3: chances i think it's a phenomenal. Pick, FOR them.
Speaker 1: Yeah i love This move. FOR memphis too i think
Speaker 1: he's got, Legitimate, upside too like maybe not as high
Speaker 1: as some of the highest guys, in THIS class but
Speaker 1: i think there's more. To tap into carson was talking
Speaker 1: about some of the efficiency numbers over three, years of
Speaker 1: college because we can't just use his last year over
Speaker 1: seventy percent, at the rim fifty five percent out of,
Speaker 1: the mid range and thirty nine. Percent from deep that's a.
Speaker 1: Legitimate sample size and he's just. The total PACKAGE that's
Speaker 1: What I. Call cedric cowry, he can score, he, can
Speaker 1: play make, he can rebound. HE can defend i just
Speaker 1: think he's going to be a really. Immediate IMPACT player
Speaker 1: And i think memphis. Crushed this pick i'm intrigued to
Speaker 1: see what, they GAVE up but i really like.
Speaker 4: This for them reporting Is In. From jake fisher he
Speaker 4: said they traded eleven for number sixteen, in this draft
Speaker 4: a future first rounder and. Two second rounders so he's
Speaker 4: exactly what that we.
Speaker 2: Have, To SEE wow and i mean we Already know
Speaker 2: that portland is on some sort of weird win now
Speaker 2: Trajectory Going, after drew holliday trying to open up A Spot,
Speaker 2: for scoot henderson and they're kind of loaded up at
Speaker 2: this athletic forward that can, defend position already and so
Speaker 2: it makes. SOME sense, there i mean the Big, thing
Speaker 2: for memphis, And you know memphis has kind of always
Speaker 2: had an eye on this. Sort of thing this is
Speaker 2: why they keep drafting guys that can help. Them right
Speaker 2: away but guys that are pretty big, for their position, that, can,
Speaker 2: dribble shoot pass and defend are so am densely VALUABLE.
Speaker 2: In the nba, And To me cedric coward just fits,
Speaker 2: that mold perfectly and he fits a position of direct
Speaker 2: need for next season at the. SMALL forward spot i
Speaker 2: think it makes.
Speaker 3: Price to move. UP five, Spots i, mean, i'm yeah yeah.
Speaker 4: There's got to be real.
Speaker 3: PROTECTIONS on That I love cedric COWARD so and i,
Speaker 3: love the fit but that is.
Speaker 2: A lot so they're GOING to, be I mean but
Speaker 2: i do Like.
Speaker 3: IT for portland i think that's. A, GOOD point, look i.
Speaker 3: Mean why not they're just drafting the draft capital. At
Speaker 3: this Point.
Speaker 2: So does jalen wells move to the Two with bay
Speaker 2: gun at that point, probably becomes yeah so It, goes
Speaker 2: Mor well does coward start at the? Three right away i'm.
Speaker 3: Ready for?
Speaker 2: IT who else i?
Speaker 3: Like HIM starting and i Really Like. THE wells coward
Speaker 3: i mean just that, domination, of shooting defense some secondary
Speaker 3: tertiary ball. Handling and, playmaking for you those are two
Speaker 3: winning basketball players To Pair ALONGSIDE. John TRIPLE j so
Speaker 3: i like. The Vision there.
Speaker 2: Does memphis have enough ball handling to be? Good, next year.
Speaker 4: No certainly not but.
Speaker 2: Do you think they end up? Training OFF them but
Speaker 2: i don't.
Speaker 4: THINK they will, i WOULD too but i. Don't, think
Speaker 4: so yeah he does feel like A Like a reset news.
Speaker 4: Change of scenery can.
Speaker 2: This Feels very atlanta, west to me where you've got
Speaker 2: this lead guard that obviously, has his flaws but anybody
Speaker 2: could drink the kool aid and talk themselves into thinking
Speaker 2: he's going to be the guy who. Saves their franchise
Speaker 2: but he's now in this weird holding pattern where he's
Speaker 2: surrounded by role player talent and good enough to be
Speaker 2: fighting in the play in, tournament every year but not
Speaker 2: good enough to. Get above it that's what it feels.
Speaker 3: Like To me and, ATLANTA is different, i know exactly
Speaker 3: and being more. Of a, seller you Know at least
Speaker 3: atlanta now talk to himself into, Big Three TRAY jalen
Speaker 3: johnson kp And. Of course jackson they Are in the
Speaker 3: east where the bar. Is totally Different but actually I'm
Speaker 3: excited for. Atlanta the bar that's.
Speaker 2: An aggressive move that's an Aggressive move from memphis to
Speaker 2: get up to give up that kind of compensation for
Speaker 2: a second round pick or for a five spots in.
Speaker 2: The first, Round Uh Yeah. I'M i'm i'm i am
Speaker 2: Excited to watch boston next year just with the with
Speaker 2: with that. Group of guys i'm Excited To see jalen
Speaker 2: brown in a lead ball handling role for a good.
Speaker 2: Amount of time one of the Big things with anthony
Speaker 2: and his efficiency tanking last year was him getting the
Speaker 2: primary defensive, assignment every night as Opposed to alongside dame
Speaker 2: where his. Efficiency was higher celtics fans also got to
Speaker 2: See firsthand as anthony played pretty well against, them LAST
Speaker 2: year AND i think i think ultimately what it'll come
Speaker 2: down to is Whether or not anthrony can defend. In
Speaker 2: THAT system because i think if he could defend in
Speaker 2: that system and they could get him at a, ROOM
Speaker 2: respectable number i wouldn't be surprised if they tried to keep. Him,
Speaker 2: On board okay so, at number twelve We Have. The
Speaker 2: chicago bulls where do You guys think?
Speaker 1: Chicago's, GOT directions ironically I Really liked Cedric coward for chicago.
Speaker 3: On court right either like A three and d wing
Speaker 3: or turning, defensive minded big Probably Like a carter bran Or. Maybe,
Speaker 3: a SORBER.
Speaker 1: Yeah maybe i don't. Know how, long you know if.
Speaker 1: They want to you think they're looking for more of
Speaker 1: A long. TERM i don't i can never wrap my
Speaker 1: trying to Rationalize what the bulls what are trying to do.
Speaker 1: Is like impossible but you think they're looking more long term,
Speaker 1: or short term because LIKE long term i would hear
Speaker 1: Like in a singe Or maybe a bearringer with upside but.
Speaker 1: Like immediate impact i'd probably look be LOOKING at a
Speaker 1: I do like, sorber to them, and you know give
Speaker 1: them a little bit of flexibility to Get off. That
Speaker 1: vooch contract that'd Probably be. Where i'd go we.
Speaker 4: Have another trade we've got, another trade, here but yeah Go.
Speaker 4: Ahead To jackson the hawks are making weird moves all.
Speaker 4: Across the port they're trading them to where one pick,
Speaker 4: after this board they're trading the thirteen Pick to the
Speaker 4: pelicans for twenty three and an unprotected twenty twenty six
Speaker 4: first Most Favorable of New. Orleans, and milwaukee yeah.
Speaker 2: Those those, could both picks depending on what.
Speaker 4: HAPPENS quite, them i mean it's a ten, spot move
Speaker 4: up so you got to need to give, up something
Speaker 4: decent but unprotected twenty twenty six First Potentially From.
Speaker 3: New, orleans milwaukee.
Speaker 2: Yeah and with the with the with the guys that
Speaker 2: are available, AT this spot i don't see. Anybody that nice.
Speaker 3: They just wanted Add another like rangey three. And d
Speaker 3: wing they arec already, have A few but i don't
Speaker 3: know if you can ever. Have TOO many but i
Speaker 3: just like that as a value, proposition for them they need.
Speaker 4: To.
Speaker 3: Force, it.
Speaker 2: Yeah well and that's the point is we talked about
Speaker 2: how it kind of like flattens out once you get
Speaker 2: to this point. In the draft they can find a
Speaker 2: role player wing. At twenty, three You Know with Zachary Rissochet,
Speaker 2: and jalen johnson they don't necessarily have a ton of
Speaker 2: minutes available on the. WING right now i think that.
Speaker 2: Makes some sense some Little.
Speaker 4: Asperious who new orleans is so excited about trading up
Speaker 4: for is the real question in FOR THE Bullets o a.
Speaker 3: SENGA we got i can see. THAT for sure i
Speaker 3: mean we were talking about them wanting to go out
Speaker 3: there and get a wing or somebody in the front
Speaker 3: court who's, more defensive MINDED and a sa is A
Speaker 3: guy who i think there's kind of a split opinion
Speaker 3: on where a lot of people are optimistic about the
Speaker 3: ceiling that he, has JUST athletically and i do think
Speaker 3: he's going to be quite a. Good defensive player he's
Speaker 3: got really good length and versatility on that side. Of
Speaker 3: the ball, he'll play physically he's a decent, secondary rint
Speaker 3: protector and then offensively he can weaponize that athleticism in
Speaker 3: transition with the cutting he gets to. Line a lot
Speaker 3: he's got some potential as, a closeout attacker and then
Speaker 3: he's got like decent feel as. A connective passer the
Speaker 3: concern for me with HIM is just i definitely see
Speaker 3: an outcome where he's an offensive liability in half court
Speaker 3: because the shot is a. Huge question mark he's twenty five.
Speaker 3: PERCENT from three i don't really like. The mechanics there
Speaker 3: he has. Some bad Misses.
Speaker 2: Was that mike? Miller? With him though is he working
Speaker 2: out trying to.
Speaker 3: Fix that number miller. Just, WITH him oh i was
Speaker 3: not looking.
Speaker 2: When, he Was Celebrating. Said mike miller that's.
Speaker 3: A good indicator damn. Good for you. This IS fine
Speaker 3: like i Would Have, preferred CARTER bryant but i like
Speaker 3: this philosophically. For the bulls.
Speaker 2: You guys are. Gonna Love this Derek Queen to new.
Speaker 2: Orleans at thirteen.
Speaker 4: He was, really, thinking that like how are they gonna
Speaker 4: what are they Gonna draft? The zion replacement like kind of.
Speaker 4: This big man that's exactly what's exactly?
Speaker 2: What they did that was.
Speaker 1: Like the least my least favorite Destination. For, for queen
Speaker 1: actually what?
Speaker 3: The?
Speaker 1: Hell is yeah?
Speaker 3: What's SUPER wed like I do like queen as just a,
Speaker 3: value talent here but he is, like, that big thick
Speaker 3: kind of face up driver who's gonna want to get.
Speaker 3: Downhill a lot and defensively you're trying to find a
Speaker 3: role for him as. LIKE a tweener i don't think
Speaker 3: he can be a five for you defensively. And then
Speaker 3: offensively you got questions, about the jumper big questions. ABOUT
Speaker 3: the jumper i don't think this is the spot for
Speaker 3: him to maximize, His skill set like he Can't. Play
Speaker 3: with zion he can't.
Speaker 1: Play with him do you guys, THINK this, well i
Speaker 1: mean do you guys think, that this well it kind
Speaker 1: of looks like they're booting up, for, THE future Right
Speaker 1: i Mean. Fears, and QUEEN.
Speaker 2: Yeah so i would assume that the new front offense
Speaker 2: is coming in and, Clean a. House, that's what yeah it.
Speaker 4: Seems, THAT way yeah i would imagine you can't.
Speaker 3: How Are you Playing Zion. AND derek, QUEEN i mean
Speaker 3: i definitely like. The talent here he's a kind of
Speaker 3: boom er buss just because he is in a. Very
Speaker 3: unique mold but you do see that ability to get,
Speaker 3: to the rim, get to line some of the feel
Speaker 3: and vision. As, a passer like there's definitely a lot
Speaker 3: of offensive upside for him if you can put the
Speaker 3: right infrastructure around him where you can kind of insulate
Speaker 3: him defensively maybe with a great five, alongside him there,
Speaker 3: AND then offensively i think the swing factor is his
Speaker 3: jump shot and what level he can get to there
Speaker 3: if he. Can be, solid but yeah interesting they picked
Speaker 3: two very, skilled offensive players both who have. Jump shot
Speaker 3: questions that's, a little rickety but it is a fun
Speaker 3: sort of offensive duo to build around if you can get,
Speaker 3: A defensive CENTER i mean i.
Speaker 4: See, the, vision.
Speaker 2: Yeah definitely what do you guys think makes sense as
Speaker 2: a zion destination. Around the league so this would have
Speaker 2: to be a team that could anchor him with a
Speaker 2: preferably as a center that can shoot and also. Protect
Speaker 2: the rim so we're already, pretty Limited.
Speaker 1: There San, Antonio, SAN antonio okay i don't Know who's taking.
Speaker 2: And they would have to be a team that really needs, some,
Speaker 2: rim pressure yeah or a death for a team in.
Speaker 2: Need of something.
Speaker 3: He's gonna play twenty to. TWENTY five games i don't
Speaker 3: see a. Robust market there.
Speaker 2: What if you What if like cleveland, did something crazy,
Speaker 2: like you know and put Him Next. To evan mobley i'm.
Speaker 2: Just throwing out i'm grasping, at. Straws here.
Speaker 4: GUYS that's wild i feel like it's gonna end Up
Speaker 4: With THE cleveland when i can see the bones of the, basketball.
Speaker 2: Fit there that would be that.
Speaker 3: Would be amazing that's, a, Big.
Speaker 2: Risk Yeah, cleveland with cleveland they they didn't really have
Speaker 2: reliable rim Pressure Off. Of donovan mitchell they kind of
Speaker 2: got exposed as like half of their playoff rotation suddenly
Speaker 2: not looking good. In the Playoffs. THERE'S the cleveland i
Speaker 2: could it would be like a, wild Upside play but
Speaker 2: i'm just. Like, a package Yeah, what about miami but
Speaker 2: they're having the.
Speaker 3: RING for anybody.
Speaker 1: I Wonder, About nick phoenix but we Get reporting about
Speaker 1: miami That they wanted zion but they didn't want TO
Speaker 1: Give up i mayhawks, or like hey, what like.
Speaker 4: Yeah no chance.
Speaker 3: Such, an astronomical talent but even not accounting, for the major,
Speaker 3: major health stuff he's always been a tricky guy to
Speaker 3: kind of figure out how. To build around because, What,
Speaker 3: you said jason like the stretch big who also. Protects
Speaker 3: the rim there's a handful, of those guys and you
Speaker 3: like really want one of Those, guys with zion so
Speaker 3: that in and of. Itself is weird and then like
Speaker 3: you want him to be like your de facto, point
Speaker 3: guard offensively so you want to put a bunch of
Speaker 3: shooting and rangy. Wings around him like it's, a LITTLE
Speaker 3: clunky and i just don't see people taking. On that
Speaker 3: risk what do you?
Speaker 1: Guys think about this isn't. The cleanest fit What, about
Speaker 1: like detroit.
Speaker 2: That's, an interesting one but. It's the shooting. It's. The
Speaker 2: shooting Big, like with miami at least you could talk, Yourself,
Speaker 2: into like okay well this is the time to GET
Speaker 2: off of bam for. The most value because we know
Speaker 2: we're not, good enough YET we trade bam for. Assets
Speaker 2: in youth We look at zion and kelll where as
Speaker 2: basically our Stretch five in zion. Type of construct we
Speaker 2: bet on our culture and the Ability to keep. Zion
Speaker 2: IN shape but I feel like zion Would Be, like miami,
Speaker 2: miami like yeah like you say what you're.
Speaker 4: TRYING to, say i mean everyone's going to make the
Speaker 4: Same Jokes. About darren, queen and also, FOR the record
Speaker 4: i will not be, making those jokes but someone will
Speaker 4: Be Making These New orleans. New.
Speaker 2: Orleans jokes yeah that's that's that's a. Very good point
Speaker 2: number fourteen is going To Be The san antonio. Spurs
Speaker 2: take here.
Speaker 4: They got some Good Options for carter briant.
Speaker 2: WOULD be Great I think carter bryant makes a. TON
Speaker 2: of sense i.
Speaker 3: Think that's got to be the vision is YOU'RE all
Speaker 3: in i he makes and obviously You, already have fox
Speaker 3: but you just want to stack as many good two
Speaker 3: way wings as you. Can Around that Core GUARD and,
Speaker 3: wemby i think and he's the best guy in that mold.
Speaker 3: ON the board I Do. LOVE meete clifford. I love
Speaker 3: him i, just think like even though he does wing
Speaker 3: stuff and he's, a great reboundary he's got, solid defensive
Speaker 3: tools like he is, still a guard like he's. A
Speaker 3: BALL handler and i don't know if they have room
Speaker 3: for another six six guard who wants to get into
Speaker 3: the paint a fair bit with the ball in his
Speaker 3: hands when they already have as We talked About harper And.
Speaker 3: Fox and castle but if, THEY did that i wouldn't
Speaker 3: BE mad because i. LOVE the talent I Think that
Speaker 3: carter bryant's. A, Cleaner, Fit Though.
Speaker 4: Yeah carter bryant FEELS like very nba archetype that they.
Speaker 4: NEED for sure i do think they're in a unique
Speaker 4: position where, if you're like let's try to take a
Speaker 4: while A slightly wild cardi pick because they have kind
Speaker 4: of so much going on already that that's how you
Speaker 4: talk yourself into A Guy. Like Neet Clifford but carter
Speaker 4: bryant feels like the, perf you know. Tried and true
Speaker 4: there's A Lot of carter BRYANT'S in the.
Speaker 2: NBA right now i like It in during wemby with
Speaker 2: BIG physical app i like a.
Speaker 3: Lot is a talent among the guys who. HAVEN'T gone
Speaker 3: yet i don't think there's room For Him. In san, antonio,
Speaker 3: and yeah yeah his slide's a little interesting because you
Speaker 3: can see the concerns just, with like, athletically you know
Speaker 3: is he going to be able, To hang defensively he's going.
Speaker 3: To get targeted it's kind of seeming like when you're,
Speaker 3: in that mold and it's kind of the same, thing
Speaker 3: with fears like you probably just need one team to
Speaker 3: be really high on you to take. You number seven
Speaker 3: but if that one, team isn't there you can see
Speaker 3: other teams being concerned about the red flags and then
Speaker 3: you do. Kind OF slide and i think that's Maybe
Speaker 3: happening with yakacona's not that he's, sliding crazy far but
Speaker 3: it's a little bit. Of A slide Rim I.
Speaker 1: Think carter bryant's definitely to play here.
Speaker 3: Any.
Speaker 1: ANY front court i think they need a three. OR
Speaker 1: of four i think your guard. Spot's figured out you've got,
Speaker 1: your Five guy maybe sorber if you wanted like a
Speaker 1: backup Five, man for wemby but that's not really as big.
Speaker 4: Of a concern. I'm.
Speaker 1: SO not oh I love how sorber is. A big
Speaker 1: body i love how. Physical he is he is a
Speaker 1: he's like a throwback. KIND of guy i Just like
Speaker 1: his he plays nasty and he's gonna he's gonna be
Speaker 1: like the eighth heaviest dude in the. League day one
Speaker 1: he's like two hundred and. Sixty three pounds, he's a.
Speaker 1: BIG nasty. DUDE i liked i want that guy.
Speaker 2: On my team we're obviously going to be calling it
Speaker 2: quits here in, A few minutes so is there any
Speaker 2: other guy that you guys have on your boards that
Speaker 2: you want to shout out before we call? It a?
Speaker 2: Day any shoutouts any, guys that's, like you know we're
Speaker 2: not going to be on the stream long enough to,
Speaker 2: hit THIS guy but i want to get a chance
Speaker 2: to shout out This guy that. I'm, HIGH on.
Speaker 1: Yes I Love. Walter clayton junior he may very well be.
Speaker 1: A bad archetype. I don't care I think PEOPLE i
Speaker 1: said i Would have taken clayton in the top Ten
Speaker 1: just because i'm so confident in him being a. REALLY
Speaker 1: good player i know that a lot of people feel like,
Speaker 1: that's a reach but, really good shooter. Really good feel
Speaker 1: my two concerns with him are obviously defensively is, a
Speaker 1: smaller guard and then some of. The rim finishing he was,
Speaker 1: good this year but his Past years At, florida and
Speaker 1: iona he was like under fifty five percent as. A
Speaker 1: rim finisher so don't, get me wrong there are red Flags,
Speaker 1: there with clayton but he's. An elite elite he's, A
Speaker 1: SPECIAL shooter like i think, that GETS overused but. I
Speaker 1: DON'T know When I, watch walter clayton he makes, Me feel,
Speaker 1: tingly so Yeah. SHOUT out walter i think he's gonna,
Speaker 1: be GOOD immediately but i think there's definitely.
Speaker 3: Some Upside here Yaka Chonas, and neee clifford but those
Speaker 3: are my two favorite guys left, on the board with
Speaker 3: yakazonas one of the. Higher offensive ceilings this is a
Speaker 3: guy who could potentially be, an elite shooter who is
Speaker 3: definitely an elite space creator for himself as, a jump
Speaker 3: shooter but the shot selection. Can be tough the jump
Speaker 3: shot efficiency really went down later, in the year although
Speaker 3: he did. Have AN injury but i think there's indicators
Speaker 3: that he's a. Really good shooter and then he's a
Speaker 3: really good below, the rim finisher really, good foul drawer
Speaker 3: gets to the, rim a bunch and one of the
Speaker 3: best passers. In the class the concerns would, be high
Speaker 3: turnover gonna, get targeted defensively how good? Is The shit
Speaker 3: but i'm an. Optimist with him And, THEN he clifford
Speaker 3: i just think is a great du. At all guard
Speaker 3: he's twenty three, and a half so you understand that
Speaker 3: the ceiling, isn't the highest but. He can create he
Speaker 3: can knock down shots, off the dribble, off the catch,
Speaker 3: he can drive. He can facilitate he's a. Great rebounding
Speaker 3: wing so those are my. TWO favorite guys.
Speaker 2: I like those.
Speaker 4: Guys as well it's gonna Be, annoying if okay so
Speaker 4: he gets either one, of those GUYS because either i
Speaker 4: Mean Not that yaka jonas feely fits in, their classic
Speaker 4: archetype but sliding him in a round a bunch of
Speaker 4: great defensive players and it's like. This connective place maybe
Speaker 4: awesome and they. NEED ball handling i think he'd be,
Speaker 4: awesome for okay maybe we should stay on through. The,
Speaker 4: PICK fifteen yeah i got. LIKE those guys i Also
Speaker 4: Like the stanford, BIG right now. I don't know his
Speaker 4: game is so awkward and, funky and weird but he
Speaker 4: doesn't a lot of things. AND he's ginormous.
Speaker 2: I Love it carter Bryant To The. San antonio spurs it's.
Speaker 3: The RIGHT pick and, i, Think That like carter bryant's
Speaker 3: a guy who some people got a little high on,
Speaker 3: for my taste but he ends up, going AT fourteen
Speaker 3: and i think that that's a really good range and.
Speaker 3: A value pick like, he wasn't productive he didn't have
Speaker 3: a big role. As a freshman BUT even though i
Speaker 3: have definitely reservations about what level of offensive player, he
Speaker 3: can be there's. Really no creation but, even, beyond that,
Speaker 3: like you know what level of close out attacker is he?
Speaker 3: Going to be is he gonna have any sort of
Speaker 3: intermediate game playing off of attacking clothes outs playing? With
Speaker 3: an advantage he projects to be a. Pretty good shooter
Speaker 3: he projects to be, an awesome, defender good, cutter good
Speaker 3: feel solid connective pass or. Good transition score like just
Speaker 3: a high floor guy and an archetype. That YOU like
Speaker 3: and i think he's exactly the kind Of player. That
Speaker 3: spurs need we were just talking about a big Athletic
Speaker 3: wings around wemby. IN your guards i think it's.
Speaker 2: The RIGHT pick so i am loving the idea Of Yakachonas.
Speaker 2: IN oklahoma city i think this makes a. TON of
Speaker 2: sense I think that indiana with, their ball pressure exposed
Speaker 2: A Weakness within oklahoma city's roster in just their ability
Speaker 2: to put the ball on the floor and eight For
Speaker 2: others Beyond Shae, AND ja dubb i think that this
Speaker 2: is just a ball handler that can help set up teammates.
Speaker 2: For quality shots brings a little bit of that. Pull,
Speaker 2: up shooting obviously the jump shot didn't go in at
Speaker 2: the highest rate that he'll need to get TO at,
Speaker 2: the NBA level but i think that makes a lot
Speaker 2: of sense to anybody else on this board that you
Speaker 2: guys think Makes. Sense, for okay see and before we,
Speaker 2: get INTO This like i i've talked about, this CONCEPT
Speaker 2: before but I Think as oklahoma city looks, to shed
Speaker 2: salary the way that they'll do it is by not
Speaker 2: spending on role players. BEYOND rookie contracts i think it'll
Speaker 2: be a, LOT Of chet J dub and shay and
Speaker 2: then just cycling. Through rookie contracts, the, occasional like oh we,
Speaker 2: love this guy so we'll package two or three first
Speaker 2: to trade up in the draft to get the right.
Speaker 2: Kind of guy but, in many cases right here in
Speaker 2: the middle of the first round is where you can find,
Speaker 2: the fourth year fifth year college guy who played in
Speaker 2: a really good system and is ready to play in.
Speaker 2: A winning context so anybody else Here that Makes OKLAHOMA.
Speaker 3: Lot and i think what A lot of thunder fans
Speaker 3: might Say to, the yakallas pick this is What We have.
Speaker 3: Nikola topich for and, if, you say okay well we
Speaker 3: want to take multiple. SHOTS at that i can see
Speaker 3: that vision because clearly ball handling. IS in need i
Speaker 3: think a lot of them are, high ON him and
Speaker 3: I did like. TOPICH a lot i thought he was
Speaker 3: a really, good value pick so it's always a gamble
Speaker 3: when you're in trusting a. Rookie with that but the
Speaker 3: same would Be. Said FOR yakachona so i can see that,
Speaker 3: argument for sure and the talent. Is Definitely There, WITH
Speaker 3: nick clifford i just think you got a guy who
Speaker 3: can do some. Handling for you but it's also just
Speaker 3: Like such a thunder, kind of player where he's that
Speaker 3: do it all big guard has the length to be solid,
Speaker 3: defensively IN rebound and i can just see pressed he
Speaker 3: falling in love, with those, measurables that versatility the epitome
Speaker 3: of like pro ready again twenty three. And a half
Speaker 3: you know what you're. Getting with him that was actually
Speaker 3: the pick that. We, mocked to okay, see AT fifteen
Speaker 3: and i would very much like to see.
Speaker 2: Them, take, him okay dude ten rebounds a game as
Speaker 2: a non center in college and.
Speaker 3: Ninety fifth Percentile, Isolation, creator jason like. He's got game
Speaker 3: obviously you could talk, about the competition But he's. Not
Speaker 3: Joe competition colorado state was a good quality tournament team
Speaker 3: and he was part of that in like they won.
Speaker 3: A tournament game they were very competitive in the second
Speaker 3: they Want a tournament like he's got. The creation juice
Speaker 3: but they're also sort. Of emotion offense there's a lot,
Speaker 3: of ball movements so he can play off, The BALL
Speaker 3: too like i. Really.
Speaker 4: LIKE him yeah i also think speaking of trying to
Speaker 4: draft players that they cannot so they can shed some.
Speaker 4: Of these salaries if a lot of like they're gonna
Speaker 4: have To move up, hartenstein very soon, Talk From them
Speaker 4: so sorber would be a guy who sort of fits,
Speaker 4: this like rookie big body centered type that maybe isn't
Speaker 4: it's gonna they don't want to, Be a starter but
Speaker 4: if you've got to go Up Against the denver nuggets
Speaker 4: again in two seasons and he's maybe ready for that
Speaker 4: sort of type of battle in a, season there two
Speaker 4: it could. He makes sense it's sort of just like
Speaker 4: a find a role player big in, the DRAFT type because.
Speaker 3: I DO think that's i think. There's three Archetypes that's
Speaker 3: why i'm not. More ball handling it's, an elite shooter
Speaker 3: or it's a big Who can replace hartenstein and give
Speaker 3: us those. Quality backup minutes.
Speaker 2: So you don't think they're ever going to be looking
Speaker 2: for a traditional foreman, at any point because they still
Speaker 2: don't really have one on The. Roster beyond chet if he,
Speaker 2: becomes THAT guy, like i like who's the guy that's
Speaker 2: gonna feel like if they needed To Throw an aaron
Speaker 2: gordon esque type of, defender at somebody, just, a, big,
Speaker 2: physical strong like are they just counting on JDub to?
Speaker 1: Be?
Speaker 2: THAT guy like i think that's part of their rebounding
Speaker 2: issues that they have, over the years is that they
Speaker 2: don't have like a six eight to six.
Speaker 4: Ten rangey forward I kind of like. Newell in that,
Speaker 4: spot because of that he Sort Of feels like, brandon
Speaker 4: clark to me is sort of this sort of like
Speaker 4: filling all these stop gaps and be an athlete and
Speaker 4: get a bunch of rebounds and HOPEFULLY one day.
Speaker 3: GROSS i see that i also think like would have
Speaker 3: been a. GUY in that mold i. Did, see him
Speaker 3: mocked okay, see a fair bit but he's OFF the board.
Speaker 3: NOW i see it i just think this would be
Speaker 3: a little high for me in. Terms of the value
Speaker 3: i'm just questioning some of where does he fit, in
Speaker 3: KIND side ball because i do think he's, More OF
Speaker 3: a four like i don't think he can anchor. The
Speaker 3: five for, you and then offensively does he have the perimeter,
Speaker 3: Skill to justify that like there's, the flashes of touch
Speaker 3: but he's not going to be enough to. BE a
Speaker 3: real foundation i have. Some OF those questions but i
Speaker 3: see what, We're. SAYING for sure jason i mean that
Speaker 3: was my thought last offseason, is go out there get
Speaker 3: that like more powerful big forward, to play the four
Speaker 3: so you keep chat at the, Five because long term
Speaker 3: chet's going to. Be at the five there's not a
Speaker 3: ton of those, guys out THERE though and like i
Speaker 3: would love To See. Them get cam johnson he's not that,
Speaker 3: kind of power player but he has the size and.
Speaker 3: Obviously the elite shooting he's not a great positional rebounder,
Speaker 3: Though for his size, so he's a four but. He's
Speaker 3: really a wing.
Speaker 2: You're right that it's a. Rare position like, that like
Speaker 2: this is honestly why a Big part of Why I'm
Speaker 2: excited About. Kevin durant and houston like it's just so
Speaker 2: rare to have a four man that can legitimately play
Speaker 2: offense at a bunch of different, spots on the floor
Speaker 2: but that can get a defensive rebound and that can
Speaker 2: make a help side. Rotation at the rim like those
Speaker 2: are pretty rare qualities AT. The in, the nba and
Speaker 2: like even at thirty seven years old, Going Into next
Speaker 2: season kevin durant can get a defensive rebound and he
Speaker 2: can protect the rim and out, Of that FOUR spot
Speaker 2: and so i think, there's REAL value THERE and i
Speaker 2: am i am Curious To see if oklahoma city ends
Speaker 2: up ever filling that archetype or if, they just, plan
Speaker 2: on you know a, lot of, It is you know,
Speaker 2: chet's offensive development too like if he speeds up his
Speaker 2: release and becomes, a more you know a better ball
Speaker 2: handler in traffic and some of the things that really
Speaker 2: exposed his offensive issues. IN this postseason run i think
Speaker 2: if some of those, things come to fruition then they wouldn't.
Speaker 2: Need to do that. The pick is in We Will get,
Speaker 2: Our oklahoma city pick, we'll react to it and then
Speaker 2: we will. Call it A day any other nba draft
Speaker 2: takes you, GUYS wanted, to unleash i well we.
Speaker 3: CALL it a day i feel like there hasn't been
Speaker 3: a ton of. SURPRISES outside of that i really. Did
Speaker 3: not like that that.
Speaker 2: Was That was the most that was the best celebration we. Saw,
Speaker 2: That all day.
Speaker 3: Clearly i'm missing that.
Speaker 2: And as the?
Speaker 1: Biggest whoa, FROM us you, know, i do Like uh
Speaker 1: you like, bearringer a. Little bit big man he's. Only, been,
Speaker 1: PLAYING bass yeah No i can't say I'm. From the
Speaker 1: south man we're gonna were gonna give it a little.
Speaker 1: Dirty touch to it he's he defends, like a wild,
Speaker 1: man like he's uh he's only been playing basketball for.
Speaker 2: FOUR years fifteen case.
Speaker 4: I think it's solid that's the KIND of team, That,
Speaker 4: I feel like again I wasn't, a big sober fan
Speaker 4: but that's the.
Speaker 1: Perfect kind, of situation, good defender good, rebounder like defensive
Speaker 1: playmaker and he's he. Is big and nasty he, is
Speaker 1: BIG and nasty and i think it'll. Translate, TO the
Speaker 1: playoffs also i, Like, you were saying jackson sorry not, To.
Speaker 2: Cut.
Speaker 1: You off carson uh if they do got To move
Speaker 1: off the hardenstein money to clear. UP some contract space
Speaker 1: i think he could be a.
Speaker 3: Good, guy filling can pass you can run handoffs and
Speaker 3: spot cutters and. DO stuff like that i think he
Speaker 3: can do some. Of that for you he's he's a.
Speaker 3: Nice two way player like the, ceiling IS pretty low
Speaker 3: But i don't think okayse really cares about. THAT at
Speaker 3: this point i think they're trying to find a guy
Speaker 3: who can play, that role for them and it's one
Speaker 3: of the. Needs We talked about so. I'm good with, it.
Speaker 2: To your point we had discussed we had discussed the
Speaker 2: idea of like going with more, of like a wing
Speaker 2: But This is an oklahoma city team that has an
Speaker 2: enormous amount of depth, at that position already whereas. At the,
Speaker 2: center position you Know Obviously, they have jalen williams who
Speaker 2: played spottingly, sparingly throughout the postseason but like this is
Speaker 2: a position where like they might actually have some more
Speaker 2: use use for him, in the short term especially like
Speaker 2: if you look At a situation where hartenstein is no
Speaker 2: longer on the books in a couple of, YEARS any
Speaker 2: other things.
Speaker 3: I wonder How far you, Can oh my god minnesota.
Speaker 3: Could actually be amazing like just take a swing. On,
Speaker 3: a ball handler yeah.
Speaker 2: That's a good point, a. Backup ball handler.
Speaker 4: Dude, he should be there frankly to be their starting
Speaker 4: point guard. In like two seasons.
Speaker 2: And THERE'S like a memphis i would assume Is Still Looking.
Speaker 2: At scottie pippen jr as. Their backup Ball handler they
Speaker 2: Do memphis does need oh they Traded. That, pick To portland,
Speaker 2: okay That's portland's pick and portland just literally got rid
Speaker 2: of a ball handler The Clean, space for scoot henderson
Speaker 2: so they'll probably. Go, a different Direction yeah yakatonas to
Speaker 2: minnesota is a really interesting. And really, interesting, Option all
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