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Speaker 1: Mansion really stand on who these child tax credit payments

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Speaker 1: go to? Uh? And and the issue of drugs? Well, obviously,

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Speaker 1: look Joe Mansion. Uh. First of all, I've run the

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Speaker 1: only campaign to ever defeat Joe Mansion back in when

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Speaker 1: he ran for governor, and I've worked for him when

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Speaker 1: he ran for governor in two thousand and three. Uh,

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Speaker 1: So you know, I've been on both sides of Joe Mansion.

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Speaker 1: My personal politics are are are more progressive than Joe's.

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Speaker 1: But we live in a red in a state that

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Speaker 1: was one by by Donald Trump. Um, Joe Mansion is

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Speaker 1: concer earned that that for for the too many idiots incentives, incentives,

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Speaker 1: and too many of these credits go to people earning

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Speaker 1: with too high an income. He's focused, I think on

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Speaker 1: means testing and he's uh. He wants to make sure

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Speaker 1: that the people who can benefit from this the most

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Speaker 1: get it and that there are no disincentives to get

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Speaker 1: people back into the workforce. Mike, I'm going to put

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Speaker 1: you on the spot here ten seconds. Is what Mansion

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Speaker 1: is doing right now, going to win the favor of

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Speaker 1: the people of West Virginia when he runs again. Yes

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Speaker 1: and yes, all right, we'll leave it there, Mike Plan,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for taking the time to chat

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Speaker 1: with us today. Sorry about that quick ending Democratic strategists

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Speaker 1: from West Virginia. In just a minute, we are going

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Speaker 1: to reassemble the panels of stick Around. I'm Emily Wilkins

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Speaker 1: with Jack Fitzpatrick. This is Bloomberg. You're listening to Berg.

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Speaker 1: You sound on with Joe Matthew on Bloombird Radio. No

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Speaker 1: chance Joe Mansion switches parties despite Mitch mcconnald's overtures that

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Speaker 1: that's what we just heard from Mike Plant, the West

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Speaker 1: Virginia Democratic strategist who has worked both for and against

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Speaker 1: Senator Mansion. I'm Jack Fitzpatrick co hosting today with Emily Wilkins.

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Speaker 1: We've got our all star panel with us. Jennie She

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Speaker 1: and Zano. Rick Davis are on the phone. Let's follow

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Speaker 1: up real quick on all the Mansion drama of this week,

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Speaker 1: especially because we heard at the top of the hour

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Speaker 1: from Congresswoman Madeline Dean UH, Democrat, member of the Progressive

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Speaker 1: Caucus from Pennsylvania. You know she she referenced reports. I

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Speaker 1: believe the first report was from Huffington Post. Others have

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Speaker 1: confirmed it. I see ABC News has had it that

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Speaker 1: Senator Mansion raised the concern that the child tax credit

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Speaker 1: is going to go to people UH using it to

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Speaker 1: buy drugs. She raised this as something she finds a

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Speaker 1: fence if she used the word bigoted. It really seems

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Speaker 1: to be exposing a rift among Democrats on the child

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Speaker 1: tax credit. Jennie She and Zano, what did you make

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Speaker 1: of the congresswoman's comments on that and how big of

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Speaker 1: an issue is that as an sort of intra Democratic

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Speaker 1: party rift. I think there is a lot of pushback

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Speaker 1: on that and she I think the words she used

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Speaker 1: were offensive and bigoted, and I would agree on that. Um,

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Speaker 1: and I think a lot of Democrats feel that way.

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Speaker 1: On the flip side, you hear Republicans talking about Bett

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Speaker 1: Midler's tweet about West Virginians. So we're getting it from

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Speaker 1: both sides, and um, you know. But but I do

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Speaker 1: have to say I thought it was a very unfortunate

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Speaker 1: statement by Joe Mansion that Democrats really have to push

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Speaker 1: back against. Okay, so if if Senator Mansion has an

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Speaker 1: eye at all on for his re election campaign, he

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Speaker 1: is not alone. Looking at four. We recently heard from

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Speaker 1: Senator Ted Cruz that he is absolutely interested in running

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Speaker 1: for president. He said that an interview with The Truth Gazette,

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Speaker 1: a conservative outlet run by fifteen year old Brilan Hollyhand.

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Speaker 1: What a scoop for a fifteen year old. I didn't

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Speaker 1: get that when I was that age. Let's listen to

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Speaker 1: what Senator Cruz had to say about absolutely. Uh. In

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Speaker 1: a heartbeat, you know, I ran in twenty six. It

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Speaker 1: was the most fun I've ever had in my life.

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Speaker 1: We had a very crowded field. We had seventeen candidates

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Speaker 1: in the race, very strong field, and and I ended

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Speaker 1: up placing second. And you know, there's a reason historically

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Speaker 1: And and that's been true going back to Nixon or

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Speaker 1: Reagan or McCain or Romney. That has played out repeatedly.

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Speaker 1: So there's some history there. Rick, I'm curious where where

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Speaker 1: you think Senator Cruz is really positioned given his performance

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Speaker 1: in Well. I used to love the saying that John

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Speaker 1: McCain had all the time that if you're a United

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Speaker 1: State a senator, and if you're not in incarceration or rehab,

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Speaker 1: you consider yourself a candidate for president United States. And

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Speaker 1: uh and and and he's no exception. Look, I mean

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Speaker 1: he did, he did have a very powerful run. Uh

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Speaker 1: and uh. He he does sort of have the I

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Speaker 1: would call more movement conservative backing. The parties changed a

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Speaker 1: lot in four years by the time he puts his

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Speaker 1: name on a ballot. And uh. And the question is

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Speaker 1: does he really match up with that that new movement

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Speaker 1: in the party. I would say that might be a

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Speaker 1: problem for him. But he's got a name, I d

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Speaker 1: he's got a big group of financiers willing to back

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Speaker 1: his campaign financially. It's got a network of operatives who

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Speaker 1: still believe in him. Uh, he'll be a factor, but

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Speaker 1: I think less and less the old adage that he mentions,

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Speaker 1: which is you gotta run and lose and lose well

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Speaker 1: coming second to have the shot at the brass ring

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Speaker 1: next time around. Uh. Those those old adages may just

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Speaker 1: be that old adages. Yeah, it seems like there is

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Speaker 1: a growing sense not just among Republicans but Democrats, just

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Speaker 1: sort of all Americans where there's more of an interest

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Speaker 1: I'm also just gonna say that that I find it

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Speaker 1: very interesting that Ted Cruz said that he had the

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Speaker 1: best time of his life during a process where both

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Speaker 1: his wife and his father were insulted in numerous times.

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Speaker 1: But I also wanted to to pivot sort of on

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Speaker 1: on the topic of elections, uh to a story on

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Speaker 1: the terminal about Wall Street big names on Wall Street

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Speaker 1: saying that they want to jump into various campaigns we're

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Speaker 1: seeing David McCormick, chief executive of Hedge fun Giant Bridgewater Associates,

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Speaker 1: consider the Pennsylvania Senate race. Robert Grady spent three decades

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Speaker 1: in finance, considering challenging Liz Cheney and Wyoming uh Rick

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Speaker 1: Davis I mean, is this a good thing? If you're

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Speaker 1: excited to have candidates with a Wall Street background looking

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Speaker 1: to run you know, not so much the Wall Street background,

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Speaker 1: but a big fat checkbook, right, I mean, like campaigns

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Speaker 1: are runoff of money. Uh? And when when guys like

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Speaker 1: McCormick and young can get into these races their self funders, right?

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Speaker 1: I mean it's nice to raise money, it's a good

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Speaker 1: thing to do to help build support, But at the

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Speaker 1: end of the day, they're writing really huge checks as

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Speaker 1: he is doing right now to run commercials about himself

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Speaker 1: for during the holidays, which is pretty unusual. So I

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Speaker 1: think they're much more attracted by the financial resources than

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Speaker 1: they are the job description. Young can showed that he

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Speaker 1: was able to sort of fend off criticism from being

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Speaker 1: from Wall Street, from a hedge, you know, from a

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Speaker 1: big private equity fund, and I and I doubt McCormick

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Speaker 1: would have any problem doing the same thing. It just

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Speaker 1: depends upon how much the challenger, whoever the Democrat is

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Speaker 1: or a Republican opponent, wants to make an issue to prosecute.

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Speaker 1: It was an interesting piece that was a in the

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Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal about you know, one potential takeaway people

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Speaker 1: see from the can victory in the Virginia gubernatorial race.

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Speaker 1: That not sure if it's uh, guys with Wall Street

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Speaker 1: backgrounds do well, guys who wear vests do well, all

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Speaker 1: sorts of talk about his focus on education. I maybe

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Speaker 1: it was the vest So that's I think that's my position,

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Speaker 1: as the vests really sell. Um, guys, this is Emily's

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Speaker 1: last day and my last day for the week hosting

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Speaker 1: in Joe's stead. So this is sort of the end

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Speaker 1: of the year for us, and I just wanted to

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Speaker 1: many big stories, uh, so much that it's it's hard

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Speaker 1: to figure out what was sort of at the top

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Speaker 1: of the pyramid, what was at the top of our minds.

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Speaker 1: Everybody quick think of what was your biggest story of

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Speaker 1: the year? Uh, Genie, do you want to go first?

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Speaker 1: I will go first without my vest on, I have

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Speaker 1: to say, but I think you're onto something there. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think for me, they're The biggest story

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Speaker 1: to the California wildfires to the tornadoes and Kentucky and beyond,

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Speaker 1: and the connection of that with climate change, the environment

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Speaker 1: extent despite Glasgow and the lack of movement on the

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Speaker 1: Build Back Better Bill. I think for many, many young

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Speaker 1: people that I talked to day in and day out,

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Speaker 1: climate change is something that they agree on, whether they're

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Speaker 1: conservative or liberal, needs to be addressed. They're worried about

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Speaker 1: their future living on this planet. And the fact is

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Speaker 1: time is going by and we still haven't seen a

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Speaker 1: way to address this. So to me, that was one

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Speaker 1: of the biggest, if not the biggest stories of the year. Well,

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Speaker 1: and that will tie into the Build Back Better Bill

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Speaker 1: if that if those climate provisions are something that end

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Speaker 1: up falling out of whatever skinny bill they try to do. Rick,

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Speaker 1: what's at the top of your list? You know? I

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Speaker 1: I gotta say January six, the assault on the Capitol,

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Speaker 1: the President United States not wanting to give up power

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Speaker 1: by backing domestic terrorists. Uh, it's still today one of

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Speaker 1: Since January six, we've talked about it. Uh, and it's

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Speaker 1: and it's not going away. It'll bleed into you know,

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Speaker 1: next year, I'm sure because of the commission that's been

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Speaker 1: set up to investigate it. Uh So, I I really

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Speaker 1: think that's had a profound impact on people's views of democracy,

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Speaker 1: their own security in their own country, and it's certainly

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Speaker 1: informed the opinion of the world, especially the authoritarians who

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Speaker 1: look for our weaknesses uh to uh to try and

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Speaker 1: gain advantage. So I I can't imagine one event all

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Speaker 1: year that has had a bigger profound impact, unfortunately for

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Speaker 1: the negative in the year. Hard to think of especially

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Speaker 1: an event. Maybe there are big stories, but that is

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Speaker 1: an event that really sticks with you. Emily, what's at

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Speaker 1: the top of your list? So before you do that,

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna observe that Glenn Young can one wearing

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Speaker 1: a fleece vest. This is very different from the sweater

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Speaker 1: vest of Rickson Torum, which kind of you know, he

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Speaker 1: But honestly, I know we've discussed it so much on

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Speaker 1: I really do think it's the vaccine. I know that

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Speaker 1: technically the vaccine was developed last year, but as far

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Speaker 1: as scaling it up, getting it out there. Who is

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Speaker 1: taking the vaccine, who isn't taking the vaccine? How do

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Speaker 1: we model the vaccine to these different variants that come out.

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Speaker 1: I just think that so much of our policy at

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Speaker 1: it continue really firsthand, as numerous places are now trying

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Speaker 1: to impose more vaccine mandates. And we'll see what happens

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Speaker 1: with the Supreme Court whether or not they will decide

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Speaker 1: on January seven to uphold President Biden's mandate for companies

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Speaker 1: that have a hundred employees or more. Right an ongoing story,

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Speaker 1: and I would say I would imagine a lot of people,

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Speaker 1: hundreds of millions in the US would probably consider getting

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Speaker 1: that first shot. Maybe the most memorable part of the

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Speaker 1: year that that stands out to me, per Sinaliaz, I

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Speaker 1: remember that the school Jim I was sitting in. I'll

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Speaker 1: probably never forget it. I have to go against the

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Speaker 1: grain a little bit and say, when the Senate in

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Speaker 1: January went Democrats way, I think that tied off a

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Speaker 1: totally different economic fiscal response that Democrats wanted to take,

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Speaker 1: very different than what we saw in the Obama years.

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Speaker 1: The one point nine trillion dollar stimulus, I don't think

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Speaker 1: was just a bill, but a rethinking of how the

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Speaker 1: government UH focuses on the economy and a rethinking of

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Speaker 1: fiscal policy. I think that's hard to pin down to

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Speaker 1: one day, one event, but I think that's a huge

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Speaker 1: it's still a big, a big deal with the social

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Speaker 1: tax and spending bill. That's it for us. I'm Jack

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Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick with Emily Wilkins. Thanks so much to our panel,

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Speaker 1: Ginnie she in Zano and Rick Davis. We had Congresswoman

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Speaker 1: Madeline dean On, Democrat from Pennsylvania. Great insights from Mike

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Speaker 1: Plant as well, Democratic strategist out of West Virginia. That's

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Speaker 1: it for us. I'm Jack Fitzpatrick with Emily Wilkins. This

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