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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio Final Hour.

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Speaker 2: In this Tuesday Hall of Famer Johnny Bench, he'll reminisce

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Speaker 2: on his former teammate Pete Rose coming up here in

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Speaker 2: a little bit eight seven seven three DP show operators

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Speaker 2: sitting by Tyler taking your phone calls. And it's great

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Speaker 2: to be back in San Francisco. The new k n

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Speaker 2: e W nine six am. iHeart Sports talking more and

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Speaker 2: thanks again to their vice president of Programming Don Parker.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Paul, I.

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Speaker 4: Think if I remember right our first World series that

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Speaker 4: we worked with San Francisco, our first road trip way

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Speaker 4: back in the day.

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Speaker 3: Me you Fritzy, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: We went to the restaurant right across the street from

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Speaker 2: the ballpark.

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Speaker 4: It starts with an M. And then we went to

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Speaker 4: this dive bar a couple of times. That was Starlight,

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Speaker 4: No South Beach, South something, Oh darn it, Oh.

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Speaker 2: Man, Shanghai, Kelly's, Shanghai, Kelly's. We went there, Yes, spend

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Speaker 2: a little time there Shanghai a few times.

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Speaker 5: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: I remember meeting the bomb squad guys in the oh.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yes, yeah, they were nice guys.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, welcome to the program already in progress.

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Speaker 2: I think every Monday should be a doubleheader in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: I mean you're guaranteed of having one good game. No,

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Speaker 2: you didn't want to watch Titans Dolphins flip over? You

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Speaker 2: didn't want to watch Nick Folk kick five field goals?

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Speaker 2: How many games have we had so far where we've

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Speaker 2: had kickers with five field goals? This is the fifth

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Speaker 2: game this season in which a kicker has made five

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Speaker 2: or more field goals. That's the most through the first

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Speaker 2: month of an NFL season in.

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Speaker 3: History, dayDay.

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Speaker 6: To day, out to day.

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Speaker 3: This is the st day stat of the day.

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Speaker 2: Broughn't you buy bet in the America? The official trading

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Speaker 2: cards of the Dan Patrick show PAULI as a proposal.

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Speaker 2: Here you tell it, Okay, I don't want my name

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Speaker 2: attached to it.

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Speaker 3: You're distancing your satisfy before you've heard it.

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Speaker 5: Yes, okay.

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Speaker 4: Field goals are boring. Deep field goals are becoming easier.

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Speaker 4: What if you kept field goal attempts at four per

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Speaker 4: game per team so you really had to space it out,

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Speaker 4: because if you want to save one for the end

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Speaker 4: to win a game, you'd have more people go for

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Speaker 4: it on fourth downs or actual action.

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Speaker 7: I like that.

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Speaker 4: So you're reevaluating it. Yeah, you're giving me a nod

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Speaker 4: s enough.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well I did come up with I think

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Speaker 2: we need to narrow the goal post the further out

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Speaker 2: you get.

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Speaker 3: Yours were actually yes, slide in an outlis.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so the goalpost move in, so you get to

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Speaker 2: fifty yards and they're just a sliver there, and then

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Speaker 2: you know it's like a.

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Speaker 5: Big gate, big iron gate there. Balls would be hitting

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Speaker 5: off the iron gate, big doin.

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Speaker 8: That's going to mess up with the kicking records that

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Speaker 8: happened before that change was made.

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Speaker 3: Though, Thank you, Jod.

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Speaker 8: How could you possibly compare the previous era to the news.

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Speaker 4: Well, there are no records in football anymore due to

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Speaker 4: the change of seasons every couple of years. You know,

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Speaker 4: you go from twelve to fourteen to sixteen to seventeen.

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Speaker 4: Before this show's over, we're going to have an eighteen

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Speaker 4: game season. So the football records are the I don't

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Speaker 4: know what's the word blandest, because there's no real rhyme or.

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Speaker 2: Reason to them and not George bland It George Blandings.

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Speaker 2: Here's Dan Campbell on his quarterbacks near perfect game.

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Speaker 9: I just gave the game ball to somebody else. So

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Speaker 9: I feel awful right now? Yeah? No, I well, I

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Speaker 9: knew he played a heck of a game. I did

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Speaker 9: not realize he was perfect. I did not know he

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Speaker 9: was literally eighteen for eighteen. I mean, but I knew

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Speaker 9: he played really well. You could feel it, and he

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Speaker 9: really found his rhythm early, and I thought he was

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Speaker 9: seeing the field played with rhythm. He had to move

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Speaker 9: a little bit in the pocket. I thought, what really

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Speaker 9: kickstarted him is the you know, he had to kind

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Speaker 9: of move in the pog, got spun around and hung

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Speaker 9: with Jmo and hit him on the hook for the

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Speaker 9: first down was big man because he was rolling after that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's perfect, but didn't get a perfect QBR. So

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Speaker 2: you threw two touchdowns, you caught a touchdown pass, you

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Speaker 2: were eighteen of eighteen, But he didn't get the magic

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Speaker 2: number of one fifty eight point three. He was closed,

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Speaker 2: but he didn't have a perfect game. All right, poll

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Speaker 2: question for the final hour the program is going to

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Speaker 2: be what see don't counter.

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Speaker 7: The final hour will.

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Speaker 8: Be will Pete Rose to be allowed into Cooperstown posthumously, yes,

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Speaker 8: eventually or no? And the result of the hour two

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Speaker 8: pole was should Pete Rose ever be allowed into the

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Speaker 8: Hall of Fame posthumously? Seventy three percent say yes.

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Speaker 3: Okay, now we're going to go.

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Speaker 7: With Will for the fust.

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Speaker 5: Okay, I did just refer to you as seatan.

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Speaker 3: I know what you meant.

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Speaker 2: Seaton's on here today, but he normally does the poll questions.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Paulie uh said, do I have your

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Speaker 2: permission that I can email the Hall of Fame and

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Speaker 2: have a few questions?

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Speaker 5: I said yeah, I said, just let me know the question.

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Speaker 3: So do you want.

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Speaker 5: To say what the questions are?

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Speaker 3: I think it's fair as journalists.

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Speaker 4: Okay, we did reach out to the Baseball Hall of

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Speaker 4: Fame and ask for a phone call, and after my

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Speaker 4: questions on the phone call, they went, hey, maybe you

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Speaker 4: should email that we'll kick it upstairs.

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Speaker 5: Oh okay.

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Speaker 4: My question is, as of today, is it still the

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Speaker 4: case that it's a choice by the Hall of Fame

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Speaker 4: to put Rose on the ballot or not, and you

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Speaker 4: choose to follow MLB's lead with a lifetime suspension. Second

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Speaker 4: question was does MLB Commissioner Rob Manfred have any say

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Speaker 4: about Pete Roast being on the ballot or not being.

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Speaker 7: Those are fabulous questions.

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Speaker 2: That's probably why we didn't get an answer right away.

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Speaker 2: He answered, Oh, I have to take that one upstairs.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I have the updated NFL over under

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Speaker 2: win totals after last night, and case you're curious, let

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Speaker 2: me see what would surprise you. Uh over under the

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Speaker 2: Jags this year yet to win a game, Marvin, what

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Speaker 2: do you think the JAG's over under his four and

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Speaker 2: a half Paulie.

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Speaker 3: Since Marvin was wrong on going five and a half, Todd.

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Speaker 10: I was thinking three and a half of them six

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Speaker 10: and a half. No, way, six and a half, six

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Speaker 10: and a half. Yeah, that seems aggressive a little bit.

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Speaker 10: The Jets over under.

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Speaker 4: Paulie uh nine and a half Marvin eight and a half.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, bloop bloop, And I think we're going to be

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Speaker 2: looking back on that Broncos loss and we'll keep them

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Speaker 2: out of the playoffs. How about the Commanders, the new

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Speaker 2: one improved Washington command Marvin thirteen and a half, Wow,

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Speaker 2: Paul Commanders uh ten and a half, Todd nine and

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Speaker 2: a half. Blo Blue Blue, the Niners, the banged up Niners.

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Speaker 3: Paul uh ten and a half bloo Blue Blue. We're

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Speaker 3: are the Cowboys now.

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Speaker 2: I don't have that on here. Here's one that will

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Speaker 2: I think surprise you. Cleveland Brown's over under this year.

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Speaker 2: Todd six and a half, Marvin five and a half. Blooolf, Paulie,

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Speaker 2: you got its five and.

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Speaker 5: A half, five and a half. You went to the

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Speaker 5: playoffs last year.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna have the same quarterback next year? Oh my god?

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Speaker 7: End the year after that?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, probably question Mark.

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Speaker 7: The artist formerly known as Deshaun Watson.

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Speaker 5: My gosh, we don't hand out this award.

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Speaker 2: I think I think we have kind of casually in

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Speaker 2: years gone by the most irrelevant team in the NFL,

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Speaker 2: Like there's mister irrelevant, there should be the team that's

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Speaker 2: kind of mister irrelevant? Are the Tennessee Titans the most irrelevant.

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Speaker 5: Team in the NFL? Oh we even get music, paul.

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Speaker 4: Now, the requirements are, you cannot be good, but you

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Speaker 4: could be good and irrelevant, but not really good. You

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Speaker 4: could be bad and relevant. Because of the number one

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Speaker 4: overall draft pick, the Titans are one in three. Their

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Speaker 4: quarterback is not very entertaining, their team's not very entertaining.

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Speaker 4: People don't even like their uniforms. They lost an interesting

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Speaker 4: coach and replaced them with a person who you don't know.

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Speaker 4: That's a lot of points towards irrelevance.

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Speaker 5: And they let a Hall of Fame running back go.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Other than that, yes, Morton.

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Speaker 7: Oh, I agree with you. Okay, I'm the one that

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Speaker 7: said it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the irrelevant.

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Speaker 4: For example, the New York Giants are not good, but

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Speaker 4: Malik Neighbors is somewhat tuning worthy and.

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Speaker 2: Daniel Jones you're kind of tuning in to see a

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Speaker 2: car wreck. And yeah, so I'd say they're relevant, but

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Speaker 2: not in a positive way like Arizona Cardinals are relevant.

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Speaker 5: They're one and three though.

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Speaker 2: I mean you still have Kyler Murray and Marvin Harrison

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Speaker 2: Junior the third, so you're at least interesting. It's just

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Speaker 2: it's hard to be in the NFL and be bland.

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Speaker 6: And they did it.

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Speaker 2: Yay, congratulations. The Jags are there, but now they're a

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Speaker 2: little more relevant because you're wondering if that coach is

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Speaker 2: going to keep his job and could Bill Belichick end

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Speaker 2: up in Jacksonville?

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Speaker 7: Yes, only if the Titans had a franchise wide receiver.

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Speaker 5: Okay, let him go to.

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Speaker 7: Mike Mike Rabel's face during the draft when they traded him.

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Speaker 7: It was just like gotta be kidding me. What this is?

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Speaker 7: What the draft is for? Like, wait, we drafted a

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Speaker 7: franchise plan and now we let them go.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's weird how organizations do that.

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Speaker 2: You would think it's a good thing that somebody does

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Speaker 2: live up to the hype, the billing of where you

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Speaker 2: drafted them, and they've actually played well during their contracts.

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Speaker 2: It's like ESPN has done. You get to a certain

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Speaker 2: level where you're really good and you're making good money,

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Speaker 2: then you're expendable, and then they bring in somebody else

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Speaker 2: at a lower level and then you kind of raise

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Speaker 2: them up and then you kick them to the curb.

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Speaker 2: The NFL does that. It's like, uh, you're kind of

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Speaker 2: making too much money. Yeah, but I'm really good. Yeah

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Speaker 2: you are, but we can't afford to keep.

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Speaker 5: You, yes, Paul.

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Speaker 4: A couple more irrelevant teams. Okay, the Patriots are one

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Speaker 4: in three. They started pretty well, but they don't even

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Speaker 4: have a rookie quarterback for the tune in factor.

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Speaker 2: Once they get Drake may in then they'll be relevant.

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Speaker 2: Issue dish.

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Speaker 4: The Indianapolis Colts are only two and two, but the

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Speaker 4: Joe Flacco leftovers from last year gives some light interest

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Speaker 4: in them or am I wrong?

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Speaker 5: You're wrong on that, You're wrong trying to sell it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Anthony Richardson makes them interesting because he's gonna be

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Speaker 2: a highlight for his team or your team, but.

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Speaker 5: Just not enough consistency.

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Speaker 2: Jonathan Taylor, I mean, he's a wonderful running back, but

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Speaker 2: that's not tune in factor.

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Speaker 5: Who else would be part of?

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Speaker 3: How about this? The NFC South Buccaneers are fun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I'm gonna you know, they got they got

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Speaker 5: Relevant, Yes, the Falcons.

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Speaker 7: Like them. The Panthers relevant and the complete worst way

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Speaker 5: April, I don't. I don't think they're real of it

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Speaker 7: Would David Tepper?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean he's not playing. I mean, okay, Bryce,

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Speaker 2: he's not playing. You got the red rifle?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, but maybe they'll take them on a good run

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Speaker 7: That could get interested who.

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Speaker 5: The red rifle?

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Speaker 7: Andy dal say they strength together three or four wins.

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Speaker 7: The Panthers with Andy Dalton had that up.

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Speaker 5: They lost to the Bengals last year. After that, oh,

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Speaker 5: then they're gonna.

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Speaker 2: Get Who is the only person in America who said

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Speaker 2: the Panthers would go to Las Vegas and beat the Raiders.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Todd, But I bought into Andy Dalton, so

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Speaker 2: I thought, all right, get a little leadership there, maybe

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Speaker 2: maybe make it competitive. You were misled, Thank you, Thank

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Speaker 2: you to yes, Paul.

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Speaker 4: The l a Rams are one and three. But as

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Speaker 4: long as Stafford's around and Sean McVeigh, yeah, they're tuning worthy.

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Speaker 2: And if you get Pooka back and Cooper Cup, then

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Speaker 5: You can't abandon ship after four games. You can't.

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Speaker 2: When is when is the designated abandoned ship? Like may day?

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Speaker 6: May day? May Day?

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Speaker 3: Like when you jump off at how many?

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Speaker 2: How many games are you allotted before you can officially

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Speaker 5: We're terrible.

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Speaker 4: Here's an example. The Cincinnati Bengals are one to three,

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Speaker 5: I'm not abandoning ship there.

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Speaker 3: If they were zero to four, I'm.

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Speaker 2: Still not right. I'm gonna have to go. If you

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Speaker 2: start out with five consecutive losses, then I would say

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Speaker 2: you can may Day. I didn't even abandon ship. When

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Speaker 2: the Lions started out what one in seven, the year

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Speaker 2: I'm like, they're good, and then they were really good

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Speaker 2: in the second half of the season.

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Speaker 5: Yes, Tod, I.

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Speaker 8: Think after my magic number of eleven eleven games, you

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Speaker 5: Oh you've got to be able to, you know, yell

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Speaker 5: out may Day.

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Speaker 2: Before that, I would say the over under on May

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Speaker 3: I like pensiling against Pacifics seven and a half.

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Speaker 4: But there's also that high end team dip where remember

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Speaker 4: years and years ago, I think it was the Baltimore Ravens.

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Speaker 4: They were awesome, that awesome defense, and they went five

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but didn't they win the Super Bowl?

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Speaker 3: He did, like good teams always have a dip.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Raj in Chicago before we take a break and

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Speaker 2: welcome in Johnny Bench.

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Speaker 6: Hey, roj Man, thanks again for taking my call.

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Speaker 11: Mister Patrick.

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Speaker 12: I got a pile of safe bet from my man,

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Speaker 12: my Melanatey brother in the front margin. I bet my man,

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Speaker 12: James and Madison my second favorite DP call to behind

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Speaker 12: christ and Syracuse. I'm pretty sure he gets his swag

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Speaker 12: like that because he got an African American wife. And

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Speaker 12: I would like to bet a patty pie to the

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Speaker 12: face and my man margin thanks you taking all?

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 2: Okay, so James and Virginia. Is he married? I think

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Speaker 2: he's married. I think he didn't. They just have a baby. Yes, Okay.

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Speaker 2: Is James's wife African American? I don't think so, but

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Speaker 2: Raj says he thinks James in Virginia's wife is African American?

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Speaker 2: Pie of the face, Marvin, I'm gonna go, let's get

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Speaker 2: the item on this, sure, okay, twenty three and meter

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Speaker 2: we're going deep cut. Well, no, James just has to

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Speaker 2: send us a picture of his.

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Speaker 7: Wife and we still may not believe her. There.

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Speaker 2: Well, you had a hard time believing James was white

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Speaker 2: even when you saw him.

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Speaker 6: I know.

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Speaker 7: I showed my wife the video yesterday. She goes, nah, huh, oh.

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Speaker 5: Man, oh man, Hey hey the commanders, hey man, see

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Speaker 5: you at the meeting later.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Hey, we got our our month coming in February.

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Speaker 7: Oh man, hey, brother, what's going on? I was like, Jilly,

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Speaker 7: you won't even believe it. A couple of black calls

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Speaker 7: call in. I was like, man, dps for everybody, Come on,

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Speaker 7: james E Virgaine, we're going at ups. It's like, damn,

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Speaker 7: you got a good ass job.

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Speaker 5: Look at Jane, he's got benefits.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I was like, Calvin, gott a job.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a break. The great Johnny Bench joins us

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Speaker 2: next here on the Dan Patrick Show.

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Speaker 2: He's the greatest catcher of all time. He's Johnny Bench,

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Speaker 2: the Hall of Famer and a two time World Series

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Speaker 2: champ with the Reds, and of course was a teammate

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Speaker 2: of Pete Roses. He's got his Pete and Johnny t

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Speaker 2: shirt on. And last time you saw Pete was win Johnny.

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Speaker 6: Actually I missed him in Nashville. He was there this

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Speaker 6: was They put us on different days just for drawls

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Speaker 6: because everybody was saying that he wasn't looking great. He

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Speaker 6: and we wish him, you know, better health. I think

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Speaker 6: it's a sad day for all of us and what

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Speaker 6: yes on Sunday because they said he just wasn't the

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Speaker 6: I think back to the nineteen sixty seven, even sixty

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Speaker 6: for all the year we were in business, we played together.

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Speaker 6: His goal in life was to get two hundred hits.

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Speaker 6: He wanted me to hit three hundred. I said, you

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Speaker 6: And the day he got five hits off of gay

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Speaker 6: it all became became part of his life because he

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Speaker 6: and every day it was like he wanted more, and

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Speaker 6: There's nobody but it, And damn it, why why? You know,

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Speaker 6: you get up and you wonder why all of this happened,

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Speaker 6: There was more than people will ever know.

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Speaker 2: Well, I know you're a big proponent in backer of Pete.

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Speaker 2: You know after your playing careers, did you know if

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Speaker 6: There were words, There were talk. There was friends of

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Speaker 6: Did I see him ever call in a bet? Now?

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Speaker 2: But do you think, I mean, you talk about this competitiveness,

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Speaker 2: they need something else. Pete needed something, you know, when

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Speaker 2: he played, he could you know as a manager or

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Speaker 2: And then when you get busted by Major League Baseball,

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Speaker 6: He wanted it. He wanted to compete, and when he

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Speaker 6: I got buried in Cincinnati because I didn't support Pete.

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Speaker 6: I didn't support all the things that you know. Oh

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Speaker 6: it's okay, and it's still rule twenty one. No matter

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Speaker 6: Well I didn't, I said, well, I'm not. I didn't

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00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 6: make the rule. I didn't make the rule. I didn't

443
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,760
Speaker 6: keep Pete out of it. In fact, I went to

444
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,439
Speaker 6: the commissioner of Sea League twice. Went to him the

445
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,760
Speaker 6: third time. He said, no, don't bring it up again.

446
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 6: Twice Mike Smith Joe Morgan myself. But those are the

447
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:45,560
Speaker 6: bad things, but what great things.

448
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 2: The Hall of Fame just says we're going to we

449
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 2: want him on the ballot. Since, I mean, they're independent

450
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,639
Speaker 2: of Major League Baseball. Would you have a problem if

451
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,719
Speaker 2: Cooperstown says we're going to have him on the on

452
00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:57,199
Speaker 2: the ballot.

453
00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:01,200
Speaker 6: It's been their choice on SAD nine. Yeah, they they've

454
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 6: had that option. It was It wasn't major League Baseball.

455
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,200
Speaker 6: It was the Hall of Fame that says, here's who's

456
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,160
Speaker 6: on the ballot. These are the guys that have played

457
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 6: that for ten years or a certain amount of time

458
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,159
Speaker 6: that makes you eligible to be voted on, and they

459
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,640
Speaker 6: chose not to put him on the ballot. I don't

460
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,639
Speaker 6: have a vote. I'm not a member. I'm you know,

461
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 6: I'm a member of the Hall of Fame, but I

462
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 6: don't have a vote. And it's interesting to hear so

463
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 6: many people saying they would vote for him. So many

464
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,199
Speaker 6: people say they're not vote for him. And there were

465
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 6: always lines drawn. And we are forgiving society. I mean,

466
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 6: there's people that right now have gone out and killed people.

467
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,680
Speaker 6: There's people caught in drugs, sting. There's a deal in fraud,

468
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 6: they do everything, and yet they're now the face of

469
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,479
Speaker 6: sports in a lot of ways. And for Pete, you know,

470
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 6: I think he had a chance. I think when Uber

471
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 6: was the commissioner, he tried to get Pete to sign

472
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 6: off on a thing, and when Pete said, Noel beat it,

473
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 6: then it became I will challenge it. And it's been

474
00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 6: a losing proposition for him. I mean in the times

475
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 6: that my said, Bud, come on, let's let's try to

476
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 6: get him on. Okay, let's get him on. Let's see

477
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 6: if he'll do these things. It didn't work, It didn't take.

478
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 6: He didn't follow the rules that they had laid down.

479
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,640
Speaker 6: And man, for all of us, I mean, there wasn't

480
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,199
Speaker 6: a one. I mean, Tony Perez, Pete, to Joe Morgan,

481
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 6: there wasn't one of us that didn't say to Pete,

482
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:26,360
Speaker 6: come on, let's do this. And it's sad. It's sad

483
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 6: we have to he has to leave his legacy with

484
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,199
Speaker 6: the gambling part of it, rather than the legacy with

485
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 6: forty two hundred and a jillion hits, forty two to

486
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 6: fifty six, whatever it is, five thousand beasts, five All

487
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 6: Star games in different positions, and the desire and to

488
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 6: make everybody better, everybody every where. When he made everybody better, Hey,

489
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 6: look what happened in Philadelphia when went over there and

490
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 6: Mike Schmidt and all of those guys just stepped it

491
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,199
Speaker 6: up a notch because their intensity level, because that's what

492
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 6: Pete had more than anybody.

493
00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:02,640
Speaker 5: I can't tell if you're more mad or sad that Yeah.

494
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 6: I am. I am absolutely devastating. I mean I have cried.

495
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:10,199
Speaker 6: I actually cried because I didn't want this to happen.

496
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 6: I didn't want this to happen to Pete. I wanted

497
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,160
Speaker 6: to save Pete. Yeah, we had our difference. We knocked

498
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 6: heads on some certain things and everything else. There wasn't

499
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 6: one time that we didn't shake hands or a hug

500
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 6: whenever we saw each other. I didn't want it hanging

501
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,640
Speaker 6: over it. I didn't want this to be part of baseball.

502
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 6: I didn't want it to be a black eye on

503
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 6: baseball to begin with. But I didn't. More importantly, Pete

504
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,919
Speaker 6: gave everything to all of us, all of us, and

505
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 6: yet this sickness, this addiction, was too much for him

506
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:40,880
Speaker 6: to overcome.

507
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 2: He gave you, but he didn't give you what you

508
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:50,360
Speaker 2: ultimately wanted. And that is to help Pete help himself.

509
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, we had a quite a talk out in California

510
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 6: when I was We were at an event together and

511
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 6: he said, can I see you a minute. He came

512
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 6: and he went into a different room and he said,

513
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 6: I apologize. I apologize for everything that I did to

514
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 6: you during the Hall of Fame year. I affected that

515
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 6: how I've affected you after your career because I know

516
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 6: all the questions are coming about me, and it takes

517
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 6: away from what you achieved, and it probably takes away

518
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,159
Speaker 6: from what I achieved. But I'm sorry, I'm I apologize,

519
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,159
Speaker 6: And I thought, now is the opportunity, Pete, Now is

520
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:33,199
Speaker 6: the opportunity to really step forward and and say I'm sorry.

521
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,880
Speaker 6: You know, Follo at your feet of everyone and say

522
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, and America would forgive it him. I mean,

523
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 6: you know somebody said, you know, he would have been

524
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,679
Speaker 6: even been a worse shooting, you know, better off shooting somebody.

525
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 6: I think than what what this has caused. And we

526
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 6: seem to make you know certain things out of you

527
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,919
Speaker 6: know who who took drugs? You know? All right there,

528
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 6: let's go with Barry Bond, Let's go with Roger Clem.

529
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 6: Let's go to Samysus and then we take klee Kin

530
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 6: and maguire, And yet there's guys that probably have taken

531
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,959
Speaker 6: it or accused of taking it. You know that's playing

532
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,199
Speaker 6: now and played forever and played in the Hall of

533
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 6: Been or in the Hall of Fame.

534
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 2: Probably, But I wonder about this. Let's say Pete didn't manage.

535
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 2: Let's say he was seven years after his career was over.

536
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 2: So he goes in first ballot, he's in the Hall

537
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,679
Speaker 2: of Fame, he decides to manage, and then they realize

538
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 2: that he's gambling on baseball. Would the Baseball Hall of

539
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 2: Fame take Pete out? Do you think if he was

540
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 2: already in for what he did as a player, but

541
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 2: he's accused of gambling as a manager.

542
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 6: I would hope that the club would interject. I would

543
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 6: hope that the club would step up in and say, Pete,

544
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 6: this is a warning. Everybody knows it. I mean, we

545
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 6: have now have all the detectives in the world in

546
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 6: Major League Baseball. They're checking everything that you do. And

547
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 6: if they found out or something that this was a situation,

548
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,400
Speaker 6: you know, these are what is you know, what if

549
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 6: he never made that first bet? What if he had

550
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 6: won his first bet. What if he had not lost

551
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 6: and doubled down? What if all of these things would

552
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,239
Speaker 6: have happened. You know, if you don't bet on your

553
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 6: team every night, Okay, that's betting against them that we know.

554
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 6: But if he'd have these are all scenarios that had

555
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 6: he done it, I'm sure that I found out about it.

556
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 6: I was the owner. I would have come down and

557
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 6: said Pete, no, knock this off, or they would have

558
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 6: fired him on the spot. Because the integrity of baseball

559
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 6: is still the most important thing we have.

560
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 2: What would you say to Commissioner Manfred today. Let's say

561
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 2: he's listening to this interview.

562
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 6: He's made that decisions, he's had a one on one

563
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 6: with Pete. He's had a one on one hour hour and.

564
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 2: A half, so no budgeting that that he What did

565
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 2: you hear from that conversation he had with Pete?

566
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 6: Well, we know what his decision was. Nothing. No, you're

567
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 6: not You're not going to be on the ballot.

568
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 2: But he can't and he and you know this better

569
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 2: than anybody, Johnny, is this commissioner can't make that decision

570
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 2: because you're going against bud Sea League and you're going

571
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 2: against Barciamani, and I don't think he wants. This isn't

572
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 2: a legacy that you want. I mean, he's this commissioner,

573
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 2: has done some good things for baseball. I just don't know.

574
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 2: It seems hypocritical if you put him in posthumously.

575
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 6: Well, the thing that bothers me today is everything is gambling.

576
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 6: You're probably being sponsored by something. Yes, I mean we're

577
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 6: we're now condoning it, and we're now seeing it. I'm

578
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 6: watching the game yesterday and I see ninety probability the

579
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 6: Braves will win ten percent on the met now they

580
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 6: score three runs out sixty forty. I mean, now you

581
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 6: got it on your phone where you can you can

582
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 6: bet on swings. They say, you can bet on foul balls,

583
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 6: you can bet on pitchers a tryout. I mean, it's

584
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 6: become part of it. And now we see a couple

585
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 6: of young players who now have been banned from baseball

586
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 6: or at least suspend it. I think that's that's the

587
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 6: thing we have have to have to figure out.

588
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:02,719
Speaker 5: But I can't.

589
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 6: But you could always at it differently. Baseball is actually

590
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 6: looking at this differently.

591
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 2: Now, Well, they're doing this to make money off fans.

592
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 2: You can't have the people involved in these games with

593
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 2: the potential to alter the outcome. That's why I know

594
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 2: they're in bed with gambling. But players can't be involved

595
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 2: in this because they can manipulate the outcome, fix a game.

596
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 6: So soaking the fans Strangely enough, I mean, if you've

597
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 6: ever been to a golf tournament when the guy's in

598
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 6: these backs, when somebody coughs or sneezes, or his phone

599
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 6: happens to chirp or anything else because he doesn't want

600
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 6: him to hit the ball in a fair way, or

601
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 6: he doesn't want all of these their scenarios. These are possibilities. Yes,

602
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 6: I understand the money's out there, and that's what it's

603
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 6: all about, is having the owners and paying for the

604
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 6: salaries that they've got out there. That's that's understandable. That's

605
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 6: what we do. We're all in it for the dollar.

606
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 6: At this point, is they say, the owners would say,

607
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 6: and that's what we're going to have to do it.

608
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 6: We're gonna give a seven hundred million dollar contract. Somehow

609
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 6: we've got to pay for it. Yeah, I mean you know,

610
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 6: I mean sure that you know even in the wow,

611
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 6: seven hundred million, it's two million, fifty million. That's a lot,

612
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 6: but it's it. I think baseball is starting to take

613
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 6: a different look at it now. Okay, working doning betting,

614
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 6: and should we take another look at Pete? I've heard that.

615
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 2: Okay, Uh, your first reaction to when Pete slid head

616
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 2: first when you first saw.

617
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 6: It, I was doing it in Binger, Oklahoma.

618
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 5: Because Pete was doing it.

619
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 6: No, no, no, I hadn't seen Pete. This is back

620
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 6: in the early sixties, so I had never TV. I

621
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 6: would know who Pete was in sixty three he came

622
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 6: up as a rookie, so I never saw Pete Rose

623
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 6: head first light. I was head first sliding with ing

624
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 6: the slaughter.

625
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 5: Is he the first one to do a head first slide.

626
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,719
Speaker 6: In a slaughter? Yeah? He was known for that. And

627
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 6: I did the head first slid, and then when I

628
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 6: got up to Cincinnati, Pete was doing the head first slid,

629
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 6: so I didn't do the hip first slide anymore. It's

630
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 6: his deal. I mean, I've never seen anybody. I don't

631
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 6: know if you can call it a slide. I mean,

632
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 6: the statue he has in front of his stadium is perfect. Yeah,

633
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 6: that is absolutely Pete Rose. That's the way he dove

634
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 6: into everything with aggress aggressiveness. I mean you can see

635
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 6: you can still look back at the nineteen seventy five

636
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 6: World Series when he went into third, if you're going

637
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 6: to remember that base hitting there and he dove in

638
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 6: there like that. I mean he's two feet off the ground,

639
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 6: flying through the air, and that's the way the statue

640
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 6: and that's a way of pitomize what Pete was. It's

641
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 6: just damn it, Pete. You did it to our us,

642
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 6: you did it to yourself, and we're we're have and

643
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,719
Speaker 6: then we have to talk about this. We have to

644
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 6: talk about what was was your life and your life

645
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 6: no matter how you want to do it, Forty two

646
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 6: hundred hits now goes No. He gambled real twenty one

647
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 6: beats four real twenty one beats for forty two fifty six.

648
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 6: And that's that's the sad thing about it, because God

649
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 6: could he played two hundred. I mean every year, hits, hits, hits,

650
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 6: get in score, run, run the bases as good as anybody.

651
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 6: And for a guy to give up a position as

652
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 6: an All Star and be no, when when George Foster

653
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 6: was traded over Tony I mean, Smarty goes at the

654
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 6: Pete's on the age you to play third. Okay, he

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Speaker 6: was second base, then he goes to first base. I mean,

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Speaker 6: he created everything that he did with the determination and

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Speaker 6: and love for the game. I don't think anybody loved

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Speaker 6: the game more than Pete.

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Speaker 2: And I hear what you're saying, we should be talking

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Speaker 2: about Pete the ballplayer, but he what he did overshadowed that,

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Speaker 2: and it's just hard to get through the trees with it.

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Speaker 6: It's the greatest story ever forty two to fifty six.

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Speaker 6: When he beat Cobb, it was the greatest story. Nobody

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Speaker 6: can be Nobody there was impossible to beat cop and

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Speaker 6: then he goes past it. And then he goes past it.

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Speaker 6: I mean, we can talk about Ripkin and his so

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Speaker 6: longevity and everything else, but Pete was out there for

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Speaker 6: one hundred and ninety hits for thirteen years, and we

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Speaker 6: brag about a guy who got one hundred and seventy.

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Speaker 6: Now we look at the top hitters in the game

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Speaker 6: of baseball and his batting titles and all the stuff,

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Speaker 6: and all the runs that he scored and all the things,

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Speaker 6: and no, we got to talk about this, and damn it, Pete,

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Speaker 6: that's just not the way I wanted to end this.

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Speaker 6: That's not the way I wanted to see you. Go out.

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Speaker 5: Stay healthy, Okay, work in my assof stay healthy.

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Speaker 6: Thank you Daniel too, all right, Love.

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Speaker 5: You, Johnny Bench.

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Speaker 1: Take a break.

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Speaker 5: Last call for phone calls, what we learn, What's in

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Speaker 5: store tomorrow?

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Speaker 1: After this, be sure to catch the live edition of

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Speaker 1: The Dan Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six

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Speaker 1: am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio WAP.

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Speaker 2: Call for phone calls, what we learn, What's in store tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate Johnny Bench coming on. You could hear the

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Speaker 2: sadness in his voice. I wasn't sure if it was

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Speaker 2: anger or sadness. Might have been a combination of both.

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Speaker 2: That we should be looking back on Pete Rose's career

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Speaker 2: as a baseball player, and what Pete did won't allow

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Speaker 2: that to happen. It's stood in the way, and we'll

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Speaker 2: continue to stand in the way. Final results of the

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Speaker 2: poll question there, Fritzel, We've.

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Speaker 8: Got exactly fifty to fifty on the poll question, which

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Speaker 8: was will Pete Rose ever be allowed into Cooperstown posthumously?

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Speaker 7: Yes, eventually or no?

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Speaker 2: Right down the middle, I want to give a shout

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Speaker 2: out if you watch on Peacock and the segments in between,

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Speaker 2: you know, during the commercial breaks. Rob who works in

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Speaker 2: the back does an unbelievable job in getting timely clips

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Speaker 2: from interviews, fun things, and just want to say, done

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Speaker 2: a wonderful job, you know, over the years, and he

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Speaker 2: reacts in real time of getting you know, if there's

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Speaker 2: somebody who said something about Pete Rose and you have

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Speaker 2: that on during the what are the commercial breaks, but

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Speaker 2: you get to watch that on Peacock. So Rob, thank

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Speaker 2: you and the other backroom guys who take part in that.

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Speaker 5: We appreciate that. Griffin in Cincinnati, Hi Griff, good to

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Speaker 5: have you back.

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Speaker 13: Happy Hooday Tuesday, Dan, I got three quick things for

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Speaker 13: you in a shout out to Rob as well. Hoo day,

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Speaker 13: Hoo day. Who they think going to beat them Bengals

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Speaker 13: three out of the fourteenth they played already, but when

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Speaker 13: is the win? Doesn't matter?

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Speaker 6: Who woke again?

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Speaker 13: I am a little nervous for Sunday that the Ravens

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Speaker 13: are going to break the NFL rushing record in a

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Speaker 13: single game. That makes me nervous. I have a stepteen VP, Dan,

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Speaker 13: septeen VP. In college football, the Indiana Hoosiers five and

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Speaker 13: zero for the first time since nineteen sixty seven. Coach

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Speaker 13: Sigg has the boys lit up on fire. I'm enjoyed

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Speaker 13: watching them for the first time in a few years,

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Speaker 13: and I don't want to back on Pete Road, but

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Speaker 2: All right, well done, Griff, well done, Well done. Dorsey

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Speaker 2: in North Carolina, Hi, Dorsey, hy Dan?

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Speaker 6: How are you today?

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Speaker 11: Average third time callar, I'm calling the guys just to

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Speaker 11: talk to a touch on what I was telling about

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Speaker 11: the juggernaut that is the Indiana University football team. And

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Speaker 11: you know, it's very hard to say that because there's

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Speaker 11: nothing but basketball, but this guy has done a marvelous job.

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Speaker 11: They're leading the country in touchdowns, there were third in

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Speaker 11: the country in offense, and their defense is better than

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Speaker 11: their offense. And somebody needs to give them a little

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Speaker 11: bit of recognition.

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Speaker 2: You just did back to back calls. I didn't plan

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Speaker 2: this Indiana football who knew, yes, PAULI.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember a couple of years ago they had

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Speaker 4: the Michael PENNOCKX spike and they will good. Then they

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Speaker 4: cool off a little bit. It's a it's a nice return.

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Speaker 5: For Okay, who have they played to become five and zero?

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Speaker 3: Oh, now you're gonna get fiu.

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Speaker 4: Fiu too at home Western Illinois the Leatherneck seventy seven

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Speaker 4: to three U silly forty two thirteen.

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Speaker 2: I did take note of that, just because they went

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Speaker 2: cross country and beat us.

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Speaker 4: Herero Rough Trump Charlotte, which is a school for fifty

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Speaker 4: two to fourteen, and then they housed Maryland last weekend

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Speaker 4: forty two to twenty eight.

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Speaker 5: Okay, all right, what's their next game?

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Speaker 4: Well, it gets tougher slowly. Northwestern Nebraska, Washington, Michigan State, Michigan,

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Speaker 4: Ohio State, Perdue.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, maybe they get bowled. They got one

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Speaker 2: more for Bowl eligible. About a round of applause for

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Speaker 2: Indiana football, right, Yeah, I don't know their fight, so

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Speaker 2: I don't I don't remember. Now, usually remember a fight

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Speaker 2: song from a football team. It's rarely from a basketball

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Speaker 2: team that you remember it. Like USC, it was always

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Speaker 2: that football. You know, they'd play that after every first

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Speaker 2: down or something. It was great late afternoon at the

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Speaker 2: coliseum when usc was really good, Sun is shining, man,

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Speaker 2: they looked awesome, invincible.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Peter King, I think is going to stop by the

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Speaker 2: studio tomorrow, the retired Peter King. Although I think he's

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Speaker 2: doing that Let's Go podcast.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, semi retired doing the Let's Go podcast with Bill

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Speaker 8: Belichick and Jim Gray.

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Speaker 5: Okay, Tom Brady? Is Brady still doing it?

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Speaker 7: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Okay, Let's go around the room. What we

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Speaker 2: learned on the program?

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Speaker 5: Todd?

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Speaker 8: Would you learn today the Pete Rose Band was an

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Speaker 8: employment band, permanently ineligible from holding a job in Major

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Speaker 8: League Baseball?

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Speaker 5: All right, Marvin, what did you learn today?

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Speaker 7: Herm Edwards likes the Vikings.

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Speaker 2: And he also did not trademark. You play to win

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Speaker 2: the game? Pauli, what did you learn? Pete Rose own

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Speaker 2: owned the head of her slide, although he took it

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Speaker 2: from Enos Country Slaughter.

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Speaker 5: Todd, what did I learn?

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Speaker 6: We all learned?

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Speaker 8: The Hall of Fame doesn't need permission from mejor League

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Speaker 8: Baseball to put Pete Rose on the ballot.

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