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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Bloomberg Markets Podcast. I'm Paul Sweeney, alongside

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Speaker 1: at Bloomberg dot com slash podcast. Let's take a look

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Speaker 1: at those meme stocks. I mean again, I think about

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Speaker 1: the beginning of the meme stock mania, if you will.

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Speaker 1: It was a lot of smaller cab mid cap stocks,

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Speaker 1: high short interest, uh and easy for these Reddit traders

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Speaker 1: And it was really exacerbated by social media. But it

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Speaker 1: seems still broadened out a little bit from that limited

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Speaker 1: kind of scope. Barry Billy Lipscholtz, equities reporter for Bloomberg News,

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Speaker 1: joins us on the phone here. Bailey, thanks so much

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Speaker 1: for joining us here. The meme stock craze, it was there,

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Speaker 1: it kind of went away. I'm thinking game stop and

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Speaker 1: things like that, but it's come back. What's what's going

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Speaker 1: on these days? Well, the biggest difference we're seeing now

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Speaker 1: into late January. Really has been kind of this incessant

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Speaker 1: desire to find the next hot stock, and we're seeing

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Speaker 1: that with hedge funds dipping their toe into it. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: people on Reddit or stock twits or especially Twitter these

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Speaker 1: days UM are pumping up their newest bets um. It's

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Speaker 1: it's been really interesting just because it's we're seeing one

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Speaker 1: and then very quickly the scope tends to shift, which

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Speaker 1: is obviously, again very different than what we saw in

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Speaker 1: late January, where game stop AMC costs express. We're all

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Speaker 1: kind of mimicking each other. By the way, is that

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Speaker 1: the order now is Twitter um the king of locations

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Speaker 1: for the meme stock mafia, and then stock twits and

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Speaker 1: then read it. I mean, how should we follow this best?

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Speaker 1: I think it's still probably goes Reddit Twitter than stock twits. Twitter,

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Speaker 1: though Death really has become more and more popular simply

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Speaker 1: ability to follow um individual accounts that may have more

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Speaker 1: insider perceived insight than others. Read it still kind of

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Speaker 1: is a wild wild West where there's a mega thread

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Speaker 1: and a lot of game stop being pushed um and

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Speaker 1: layout kind of amends itself more toward a average gambler

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Speaker 1: or an average investor excuse me, or average gambler attention.

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Speaker 1: I think the average gambler is fine. Yeah, that's fine.

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Speaker 1: I think even the apes would defined with that Billy

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Speaker 1: talk to us about like, I'm starting to see some

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Speaker 1: more reporting that it's not just the retail investors or

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Speaker 1: who's got a big social media following, but it might

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Speaker 1: actually be some professional investors, hedge funds getting in it.

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Speaker 1: Do we have evidence, said, Golden Sound algorithm? What's that

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Speaker 1: Goldman's got an album? An algorithm? Right? So, I mean,

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Speaker 1: what's the role of the professional investor in here, Bailey?

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Speaker 1: I think they're kind of picking off where they can

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Speaker 1: make money. Obviously, if you just look at Alane, some

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Speaker 1: of the trading volume in these stocks, it's kind of

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Speaker 1: we have been hearing more and more that hedge funds

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Speaker 1: it a meme stock. A lot. I know a lot

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Speaker 1: saying Bill the Bear is not a meme stock and

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Speaker 1: I think the term memes stock gets thrown around a bit,

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Speaker 1: for joining us. Bailey lip Schultz, equities reporter for Bloomberg News.

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Speaker 1: I tell you can lose time. I went on Wall

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Speaker 1: I was playing Red Dead, Redemption two or something. When

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Speaker 1: Chairman pal does speak this afternoon in two thirty Wall

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Speaker 1: Street time, which Bloomberg will bring to you live, investors

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Speaker 1: will be focusing uh many topics, but clearly inflation is

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Speaker 1: certainly be key. Let's check in with Marcus Schomer. He's

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Speaker 1: a chief economist for pine Bridge Investments. Marcus, I'll love

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Speaker 1: to get your thoughts here on inflation, um, and how

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Speaker 1: Chairman Powell on this issue. Well, I it's not to

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Speaker 1: I've sort of been quite critical of this because we're

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Speaker 1: seeing inflation everywhere, right, and we shouldn't forget what the

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Speaker 1: And in my view, inflation is always transitory if it

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Speaker 1: Well the metrics as it relates to vaccines, they remained positive.

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Speaker 1: well yeah, and and the negative real yield actually obviously

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Speaker 1: as you said, but it is a bit of a mystery.

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Speaker 1: We think it's going to back up a bit, maybe

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Speaker 1: two and a half by the end of twenty two,

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Speaker 1: so we you know, we certainly do expect rates to

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Speaker 1: better reflect the type of economic environment that we think

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Speaker 1: we're in and headed toward. Totally good to get some

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Speaker 1: time with you, Scott. Always love getting insight from you.

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Speaker 1: Scott Ran, Senior Global market strategist at Wells Fargo Investment Institute.

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