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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Faber Protection of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: I'm Anny Rees and I'm Lauren Vogelbaum, and today we're

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Speaker 1: talking about victory gardens. Yes, which was a listener suggestion

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Speaker 1: from Alison, So thank you Allison. And this is another

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Speaker 1: one that I'm not sure I would have ever thought

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Speaker 1: to do an episode on myself. So you listeners are

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Speaker 1: always sending us the best suggestion. Oh absolutely, and thank you,

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Speaker 1: yes um. And as it turns out, we are sort

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Speaker 1: of in a time of victory gardens, or in people

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Speaker 1: who weren't previously gardening gardening trying to get food out

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Speaker 1: of that. Yeah. Yeah, I know a lot of people who,

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Speaker 1: um who who started up during quarantine a little bit

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Speaker 1: of a backyard garden or or a little bit of

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Speaker 1: a of a potted garden somewhere in or around their home.

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Speaker 1: Here here at the house, we usually have a bunch

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Speaker 1: of plants doing ngs um. Some of them grow food,

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Speaker 1: not reliably. I wouldn't say. I wouldn't say that we

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Speaker 1: like we pay them just enough attention to not kill them,

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Speaker 1: and sometimes we get produced out of it. Yeah, I was.

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Speaker 1: I was always impressed when I would see whatever random

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Speaker 1: things in my mind you are. It is quite a

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Speaker 1: collection between myself and my roommate. There's the probably the

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Speaker 1: silliest thing we've got are these two avocado trees, um

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Speaker 1: that want to live in Florida in the ground, and

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Speaker 1: instead we have them in these increasingly large pots. Um.

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Speaker 1: And one of them is I'm gonna say, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: I just looked up as though I could see the

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Speaker 1: top of it from my desk. I cannot dear listener um,

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Speaker 1: but it's maybe like nine ft tall. Now, wow, And

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Speaker 1: this is a thing that we have to bring into

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Speaker 1: the house for when her. Wow. So that's cool. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's that seems like a let's get a storyline on

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Speaker 1: a sitcom that I want to see, And every year,

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Speaker 1: like it's a long running sitcom, it gets bigger and

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Speaker 1: bigger and more and more difficult. Yeah. That's yes, that

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Speaker 1: is precisely how that works. Every every year we're like, oh, man,

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Speaker 1: I guess it's time to do this silly thing again.

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Speaker 1: Do you put it off like we kind of do? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I mean I always tell Heidi, I'm like, I'm like, dude,

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Speaker 1: anytime you want to do this let me know we

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Speaker 1: can do it, and she's like, no, not today. I

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Speaker 1: don't have it in me today. Do you get avocado

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Speaker 1: from it? No? Zero avocados have ever come out, zero

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Speaker 1: blooms and have ever come off at this plant. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: That's why every year I'm like, oh, man, lo, this

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Speaker 1: is okay. So agreed. If I were eating avocado, I

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Speaker 1: would be like, yeah, we've got this avocado tree. It's

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Speaker 1: the best thing in my life. Of course, we move

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Speaker 1: it in and out of the house. You know, maybe

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Speaker 1: any year now, Lauren, an year now, sure, sure, that's

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Speaker 1: a that's that's lovely. Annie. I like your I like

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Speaker 1: your moxie. Yeah. Yeah, I like to have some optimism.

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Speaker 1: But possible avocado. That's excited. Um. Which is funny because

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Speaker 1: I actually have a really bad track record of growing things. Um,

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Speaker 1: I was telling Laura, and I started with fourteen fourteen

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Speaker 1: herbs and now I'm down to two and I am

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Speaker 1: accidentally growing cucumber, which is also a very silly thing.

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Speaker 1: And I have like since quarantine, I've definitely been more

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Speaker 1: I what if I can grow this? And I did

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Speaker 1: grow ska allions for a while, but the smell was

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Speaker 1: But it was really exciting. It was exciting to be like,

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Speaker 1: a very nice feeling growing stuff. Um, it's it's fun

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Speaker 1: brings us to our question. Yes, victory gardens, what are they? Well?

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Speaker 1: A victory garden is a term for a garden that's

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Speaker 1: kept up by someone at home or in their community

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Speaker 1: of growing edible plants, with the idea of the produce

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Speaker 1: being a supplemental food source. Um. And and these serve

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Speaker 1: a few purposes um, better food security, um, better nutritional health,

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Speaker 1: but also better mental health. UM. You know. The idea

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Speaker 1: these palpable results, um and uh. And the term came that.

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Speaker 1: Here this is a really history heavy one. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And Laura and I were disgusting how that it's just

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Speaker 1: such a great piece of propaganda essentially, But it's fun.

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Speaker 1: because if you grow, if you grow a cucumber, Annie,

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Speaker 1: and then I will feel very victorious. I have to say. Um,

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Speaker 1: if you, if you haven't already u it help if

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Speaker 1: the some of the water can gape through the bottom

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Speaker 1: um and and out into the world, but not all

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Speaker 1: very same. Friends. Mom grows peppers, but she doesn't like

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Speaker 1: Future episode getting a bit derail here? What about the

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Speaker 1: neutral of a Victory Garden went? Well? Okay, Well it

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Speaker 1: depends on what you plant in your garden, I guess.

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Speaker 1: volgel bomb breaking it down. But who among us with

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Speaker 1: back thank you sponsor, Yes, thank you Okay. So, of course,

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Speaker 1: and also Americanized immigrants in the US. When we say

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Speaker 1: years alone. UM. Apparently pigs were also kept in some

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Speaker 1: United Kingdom gardens. UM. And yeah, like like we were

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Speaker 1: talking about earlier, Um, the food supply was never really

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Speaker 1: in trouble in the United States during World War two

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Speaker 1: the way that it was in the UK, France, Germany

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Speaker 1: and and other parts of Europe. Um in the world

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Speaker 1: that that saw conflict on and over their soil. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know, attack dick and war is to starve the

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Speaker 1: enemy out. Um. And so the food supply chain was

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Speaker 1: disrupted on purpose in a lot of these places. Um.

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Speaker 1: Like there were some two hundred thousand produce gardens in

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Speaker 1: Berlin alone. Canada got in on creating produce to send

436
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Speaker 1: to France during the wars, UM on their professional farms,

437
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 1: and the government hosted backyard gardening programs there as well.

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Speaker 1: Australia also had a Dig for Victory campaign that started

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Speaker 1: in nineteen forty two. As UM food and labor shortages

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00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 1: affected their food supply. UM, some folks sold access to

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Speaker 1: raise war funds. Groups got together to send produce to

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Speaker 1: the fronts, like I read about one women's group getting

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Speaker 1: I think fifty tons of onions together. And uh, Germany

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Speaker 1: kind of for example, never got out of the habit

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Speaker 1: of of these kinds of um of of family or

446
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Speaker 1: community urban farms the way that we did here. There

447
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Speaker 1: are apparently still over a million food gardens about the

448
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Speaker 1: country there today. Wow. I love that. I mean there's

449
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Speaker 1: kind of a it's a tinge of sadness behind it

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Speaker 1: because of the history. And I do feel like if

451
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Speaker 1: you it's it kind of reminds me of UM relatives

452
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: I have from the depression who still have habits from

453
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Speaker 1: that of like sockpiling food and all of this stuff. UM.

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Speaker 1: So it is a little sad, but I'm happy that

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Speaker 1: they're still going. Yeah. And you know, and I don't

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Speaker 1: think that people would be doing it if it didn't

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Speaker 1: bring them joy and satisfaction. Right. Yeah. I I grew

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Speaker 1: up UM on my mother's side of the family. Uh my,

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00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: my grandparents always had a food garden. To be fair,

460
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: they came from from farming families, so I think for

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Speaker 1: them it would have felt weird to not be growing

462
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: some of their own food. But um, but definitely, I

463
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: would say that the World War affected affected that for them,

464
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: and so I, um so, so I grew up with that.

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Speaker 1: That's part of why I have so many plants and

466
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: pots all over the place doing weird stuff because because yeah,

467
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Speaker 1: I'm just like, oh no, it's just what you do.

468
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: You you you you grow, you grow some food. Um

469
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Speaker 1: and uh yeah, I enjoy it. I like a plant,

470
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Speaker 1: the plant is nice. Well, I'm here here during quarantine.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people have grown very attached to their plants.

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Speaker 1: So um and yeah. So even though even though it's

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Speaker 1: not a big movement in the U S even even

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Speaker 1: right now, like there's not the same kind of um

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Speaker 1: I guess public pressure or support for home gardening that

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Speaker 1: there was during the World Wars. But um, but there

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Speaker 1: have been a few smaller revivals here in the US

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Speaker 1: here and there. Um. There was a resurgence, for example,

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Speaker 1: during the economic downturn of the nineteen seventies UM, which

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Speaker 1: which started locally in cities affected by by white flight

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Speaker 1: to the suburbs. You know, there was a lot of

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Speaker 1: urban disinvestment on a lot of vacant lots, a lot

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Speaker 1: of UM. The remaining citizens, mostly black people in recent immigrants,

484
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Speaker 1: were just left with these decreasing options, and so some

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Speaker 1: organizations got together to turn those dead zones into gardens. UM.

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Speaker 1: In seventy seven, the U s d A took the

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Speaker 1: movement national when it debuted the Urban Gardening Program. UM.

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Speaker 1: It sent sort of agricultural extension services that that usually

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Speaker 1: go to like professional farmers out to these urban farmers. UM.

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Speaker 1: And within a decade or so they were working with

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Speaker 1: some two hundred thousand urban gardeners across the country, producing

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Speaker 1: like twenty two point eight million dollars worth of produce

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Speaker 1: on a budget of like three point five million dollars UM.

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Speaker 1: But the program was shut down. UM. The practice though,

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00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: has survived UM in some cities. And we should really

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Speaker 1: do a separate episode on urban gardening in general. It's

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00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: a it's a deep and fascinating UM subject. Uh. There

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Speaker 1: was another small resurgence starting in about two thousand eight, UM,

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Speaker 1: you know, after the economic bubble burst. Uh, the burpee

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Speaker 1: seed company reported a spike and seed sales. In two

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Speaker 1: thous eight alone, UM and Michelle Obama reinstated a food

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Speaker 1: garden on the White House lawn. UM and yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: now now we've got SMO these COVID quarantine gardens. UM.

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00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: As early as as early as March, papers like the

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Speaker 1: New York Times were reporting on this huge surge in

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Speaker 1: seed sales and like citizen interest in food gardens. UM.

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Speaker 1: I did want to put in here a parallel. It's

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Speaker 1: it's easy to forget. I think that UM that the

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Speaker 1: same year that those World War One war gardens or

510
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Speaker 1: UM or liberty gardens were first flourishing was eighteen, which

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Speaker 1: was the year of the influenza pandemic. UM. And so yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, just just taking taking a little bit

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Speaker 1: of control back, even if it's just just a single

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Speaker 1: plotted plant. UM. There has been a push to avoid

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Speaker 1: calling these modern gardens victory gardens, to avoid like the

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Speaker 1: connection to military operations. UM. Provision gardening is a term,

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00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: but I've seen, but it's just not as it's not

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Speaker 1: as fun. I kind of like quarantine garden because it

519
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: sounds a little like funny but menacing, like it's my quarantine. Gumen,

520
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: don't go over there that corn is in quarantine. It

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00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: knows why well, thank god it you know, any listeners,

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00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: if you got any terms. I'm a big fan of yeah,

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00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: because if we can't use Victory Gardens, we gotta come

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00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: up with something just as good, because yeah, we do,

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00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: we do. Although, yeah, lots of people are getting into it.

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Speaker 1: I didn't find a statistic for here in the United States,

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Speaker 1: but um but as of late May, um the UK

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00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: reported that Britain's were gardening during lockdown. Wow. Um, yeah,

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00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: I definitely heard a lot of my friends getting into it,

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00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: probably not super intensely. Yeah. Yeah. And then I we've

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00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: definitely listeners have reached out to us and let us

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00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: know what they're growing, which please continue to do that.

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00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: We love it. Yeah, send pictures, yeah, oh yes please.

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00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 1: So I guess that's about what we have to say

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Speaker 1: on Victory Gardens today. It is. We do have some

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Speaker 1: listener mail from people who have already sent things in. Um.

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Speaker 1: But first we've got one more quick break for a

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Speaker 1: flexing of Dubai. So oh yeah, that's a good one.

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Speaker 1: Susan wrote, I listen to your Food, a Hannibal episode

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00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: and your new episode about carab in which Annie said

543
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: watching Hannibal might have influenced her carab seed Cannibal listing dimare.

544
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: Oh that sounds terrible if you put it that way,

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00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: but at accurate um, She continues, I firmly believe that

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00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: Hannibal might have caused this. I too have been the

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00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: victim of Hannibal related nightmares. Several years ago, right after

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00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,280
Speaker 1: getting Amazon Prime, I got the flu, and while feeling

549
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: miserable that the best way to pass the time was

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00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: to binge wash Hannibal. Probably not the smartest of plants,

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00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: since I ended up having dare fever dreams featuring Anibal

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00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: and Will. The next time I went to the doctor

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00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: for a checkup, I surprised my doctor had been pushing

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00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: flu shots on me for years by demanding I'd be

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Speaker 1: vaccinated for everything a bowl at appetitis, pelagra, flu athletes,

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00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 1: but whatever he had available. Now, when people tell me

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00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: they're anti vaccine, I start my spiel with call me

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00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: the next time you're sick, I have a show for you. Hey,

559
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: you Hannibal nightmare into good into meaningful action. That's great. Yeah,

560
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 1: I do love that. You're like, you know, I feel sick.

561
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: Let's watch the show. Yeah. I did the same thing,

562
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 1: so I can't. I can't say anything. Um, yeah, this

563
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 1: is why I just watched Disney movies when I'm I'm like,

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00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: oh man, this is a great time to catch up

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00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 1: on animated feature films that I've not seen yet. Inside

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00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,760
Speaker 1: Out and you're sobbing and you can't breathe through your nose,

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00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: and that's just just me. I have still not watched

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00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: Inside Out because I know that I'm just going to

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Speaker 1: cry through the entire movie. I know that it's a

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00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: good film and that it contains really a very good

571
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: psychological representation of the inner workings of the mind. Um,

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00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: I get that. I don't watch it. I don't want

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Speaker 1: to watch it right now. I don't want to make

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00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: myself real sad. It was really funny when I saw

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00:36:55,640 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: that movie. I saw in theaters by myself, by myself,

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00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: and like in the end when the sad thing, like

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00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: the whole movie is like tanged with sadness, but it

578
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: was like big moment it happens every adult in that

579
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: damp theater was crying. None of the kids were. The

580
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 1: kids were like what and We're all like, I love that.

581
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: I love that. I love I. I cry at the

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00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: end of every Toy Story movie as well. I do.

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00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:30,879
Speaker 1: I just I mean I cry a lot. Like that's

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00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: I you know, I like cried when like when like

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00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: Aria and and and and her Wolf had their moment,

586
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: like I was like, I want the same page. Anyway, Um,

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00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: I won't make you watch inside up for now. Oh gosh. Um.

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00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 1: If you guys have suggestions for what won't mess up,

589
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: you're you're being sick and binge watching and stuff. Yes,

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00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: what is so inside out is out? Hannibals out. That

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00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: leaves a lot of room though that does That's a

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00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 1: whole world of media. Um. Anyway, Um, Vincenzo wrote, I

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Speaker 1: just finished listening to your Apple podcast. It was great.

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00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: I meant to send this article over after your interview

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00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 1: with Dan Pashman, and given my current slow podcast churn,

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00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: I'm not sure I would have gotten it there in

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00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: time for your Apple episode. Anyway. A few years ago

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Speaker 1: I took a course on plant intellectual property, and one

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Speaker 1: of the articles we read was about apples as brands.

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Speaker 1: In particular, and the techniques breeders used to control quality

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Speaker 1: and let's be honest, price since even in academia, a

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Speaker 1: professor will get royalties from I P they generate, and

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Speaker 1: these authors are the breeders of Honey Crisp, which has

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Speaker 1: made a lot for them the department and the university.

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Speaker 1: Blows my mind. I just said never. It's one of

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00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: those things when when you pointed out, like it is

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Speaker 1: odd that there's so many different types of apples compared route,

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Speaker 1: but then I had never heard of this, like when

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Speaker 1: we talked about an episode, I've never heard of this

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Speaker 1: whole thing. And just the fact that you're getting royalties

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Speaker 1: from Honey Chris. Yeah, I guess I, like low key

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Speaker 1: knew that that it had to that that had that

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Speaker 1: system had to be in place, because I knew that

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Speaker 1: these were like brand names, but I hadn't thought about Yeah,

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00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: this whole chain of of of revenue that apples as brands,

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Speaker 1: Man apples as brand outside of the technology sector. Weird. Well,

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Speaker 1: they knew what was up. They knew Apple so um.

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