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<v Speaker 1>Pushkin the Last Archive A History of Truth?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you going to answer that? I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>tell you what to do, but you're listening to this

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<v Speaker 2>on your phone and your phone is ringing. Fine, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>answer it.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a character from a movie made in the nineteen fifties, Wiretapper.

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<v Speaker 4>Could you develop equipment to listen in on a telephone?

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<v Speaker 4>That is, record a conversation without the owner knowing anything

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<v Speaker 4>about it?

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<v Speaker 2>Wiretapper tells the story of Big Jim Voss, an electronics

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<v Speaker 2>guy in Los Angeles who gets work bugging and slowly

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<v Speaker 2>but surely gets sucked into a criminal underworld and winds

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<v Speaker 2>up becoming a pretty big deal. There's this scene that

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<v Speaker 2>shows the moment he becomes a wire tapper. You can

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<v Speaker 2>tell he's hanging out with the mob because they're sitting

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<v Speaker 2>around smoking, listening to jazz.

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<v Speaker 5>Wiretapping is illegal, mister Remstey, just that the question, I

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<v Speaker 5>could put the equipment together.

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<v Speaker 2>The movie hit theaters early in nineteen fifty five. That

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<v Speaker 2>same year, a best selling book called Wiretap was in stores.

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<v Speaker 2>Columbia Pictures was said to be working on a movie

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<v Speaker 2>called The wire Tappers. The stuff was all over the place.

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<v Speaker 2>It was still a new thing for some people to

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<v Speaker 2>have a phone in their house, and people were a

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<v Speaker 2>little itchy about it. The newspapers kept writing stories about

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<v Speaker 2>the dangers of wire tapping. Someone was listening in wiretapper

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<v Speaker 2>of the movie was tapping straight into that fear. The

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<v Speaker 2>ads for the film read, if you're on the phone,

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<v Speaker 2>you're not safe.

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<v Speaker 4>Even the police aren't a lot of tap private wires.

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<v Speaker 4>Here's five hundred, there'll be another five. I have you

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<v Speaker 4>do a good job.

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<v Speaker 5>I guess if it's for the police, eh, it'll be

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<v Speaker 5>all right.

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<v Speaker 2>So this movie at first seemed to me like pretty

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<v Speaker 2>straightforward in noir stuff. But it wasn't made by a

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<v Speaker 2>major studio like Warner Bruthers or MGM or Columbia. It

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<v Speaker 2>was made by the most famous evangelical Christian in the country,

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<v Speaker 2>the Minister Billy Graham, which maybe I should have suspected

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<v Speaker 2>from all the church scenes.

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<v Speaker 6>The Bible says, what shall it properer man? He be

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<v Speaker 6>gained the whole world and lose his home soul.

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<v Speaker 2>So this put a pretty big question in my mind.

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<v Speaker 2>Why was the most famous evangelist in America making a

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<v Speaker 2>movie in the nineteen fifties about how if you're on

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<v Speaker 2>the phone, you're not safe. Pulling on this thread. It

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<v Speaker 2>turned out to be like yanking on a telephone gable

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<v Speaker 2>and discovering that it's wired up to everything in the

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<v Speaker 2>United States. Welcome to Season four of The Last Archive,

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<v Speaker 2>the show about how we know what we know, how

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<v Speaker 2>we used to know things, and why it seems sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>lately as if we don't know anything at all. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>Ben Matta Haffrey. Today's episode, We're Tapping the Phones. I

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<v Speaker 2>was watching that movie Wiretapper, because I've gotten curious about

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<v Speaker 2>the history of a feeling. I think a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people have. Now we're all on our phones all the time,

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<v Speaker 2>and I at least have pretty much accepted that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>constantly being surveiled, if not by wiretappers and cops, then

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<v Speaker 2>by companies and bots. But this weird intersection of phone

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<v Speaker 2>anxieties in American religion in the fifties caught me off guard.

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to understand how those things fit together, So

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<v Speaker 2>I dug into the absolutely unhinged story behind that film,

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<v Speaker 2>a story about the telephone, American spirituality, and most of all,

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<v Speaker 2>that wiretapper, Big Jim Voss. Because it turns out He's

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<v Speaker 2>a real guy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yarn and raised in the city of Los Angeles, the

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<v Speaker 3>son of a preacher.

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<v Speaker 2>Jim Voss, son of a preacher, grew up in Los Angeles.

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<v Speaker 2>His first phone number was Broadway sixteen zero seven. That

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<v Speaker 2>was more important than the son of a preacher thing,

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<v Speaker 2>because Big Jim wasn't on track to become a preacher

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<v Speaker 2>like his father. He was on track to become a

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<v Speaker 2>telephone criminal.

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<v Speaker 7>His father was definitely, you know, on the fundamentalist side.

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<v Speaker 7>He had two sisters, but being the only boy, I

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<v Speaker 7>think there were a lot of expectations that he would

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<v Speaker 7>go into the ministry himself.

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<v Speaker 2>Will Voss one of Big Jim's kids, who wrote a

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<v Speaker 2>book about his father's life. Like his grandfather, Will is

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<v Speaker 2>a minister. I called him up to talk about his

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<v Speaker 2>dad and just to say if the interviews in this

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<v Speaker 2>episode sound different than usual, it's because I recorded them

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<v Speaker 2>by tapping my phone.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, he really struggled with the level of expectation

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<v Speaker 7>that was there, and in his younger life really rebelled

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<v Speaker 7>against just the whole upbringing.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a kind way of saying that from childhood on,

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<v Speaker 2>Big Jim Voss was always in.

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<v Speaker 3>Trouble thata guy would sell them out of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Voss grew up during the Great Depression, but he decided

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<v Speaker 2>the reason his family was poor was because his parents

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<v Speaker 2>were Christians. He wanted to get rich. When he was little,

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<v Speaker 2>his parents took in borders to earn a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of extra cash, and there was one man who was

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<v Speaker 2>always building radios. Voss would sit in the border's room

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<v Speaker 2>and watch. Eventually, the man taught Kid Jim had to

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<v Speaker 2>tinker himself, and he fell in love with sound machines, radios,

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<v Speaker 2>microphones phones. Pretty quickly. He realized that one of the

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<v Speaker 2>best parts about this gear was that he'll let you

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<v Speaker 2>hear things you weren't supposed to.

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<v Speaker 7>His first wired top experience is that he wired his

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<v Speaker 7>sister's date in the family home.

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<v Speaker 2>He was about twelve. His sister's boyfriend was coming over.

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<v Speaker 2>Kid Jim dug around his electronics stash, snuck into the

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<v Speaker 2>living room and hit a microphone behind the couch. He

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<v Speaker 2>ran a wire from it out a window to a

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<v Speaker 2>speaker in the backyard, and then.

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<v Speaker 7>Sold tickets to kids in the neighborhood to come listen

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<v Speaker 7>to his sister's conversation with her boyfriend.

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<v Speaker 2>This is like his origin story that combination spying, recording devices,

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<v Speaker 2>money betrayal. That was the story of Big Jim Voss'

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<v Speaker 2>life in college at Bible School, he claimed he'd set

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<v Speaker 2>up a fundraiser for the yearbook where people paid to

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<v Speaker 2>watch a long distance call from Los Angeles to Africa. Then,

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<v Speaker 2>according to his son Will, he embezzled the money and

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<v Speaker 2>he flew to Florida. He got away with that, But

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<v Speaker 2>it was mugging an old man at gunpoint that supposedly

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<v Speaker 2>finally landed him in prison. He left his driver's license

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<v Speaker 2>at the scene. But Big is like a cat with

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<v Speaker 2>nine lives. World War II was for most people not

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<v Speaker 2>a good thing. For Jim Voss, it was great because,

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<v Speaker 2>he says, he left prison, got drafted, and was put

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<v Speaker 2>to work using his electronic skills.

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<v Speaker 3>The army was good to me, wiped out the record

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<v Speaker 3>of conviction, detailed me to duty on the West Coast.

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<v Speaker 2>This tape, by the way, is from a speech Foss

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<v Speaker 2>gave a couple of years before that Wire Tapper movie

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<v Speaker 2>came out. This is his version of his life story.

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<v Speaker 2>The story that movie is based on, the story whose

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<v Speaker 2>significance I'm trying to understand a lot of It is

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<v Speaker 2>probably fluff, but there's important truths there if you sift

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<v Speaker 2>for them. First truth, this is a story about how

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<v Speaker 2>Big Jim Voss was bad news.

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<v Speaker 3>Finally was court marshaled again, this time for misuse of priorities,

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<v Speaker 3>misappropriation of government's property. I was sent in ten years hard.

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<v Speaker 2>Labor misappropriation of government property, basically stealing equipment from the army,

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<v Speaker 2>as he tells it. When the war ended he got out.

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<v Speaker 2>He moved back home to Los Angeles in his parents'

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<v Speaker 2>house to set up an electronics business. Now we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to leave Big Jim there for a moment, just a moment,

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<v Speaker 2>so I can tell you that that decade, the nineteen forties,

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<v Speaker 2>Americans were spending a lot of time on the phone.

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<v Speaker 2>The telephone had been around since eighteen seventy six, so

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<v Speaker 2>to me, the phone seems practically ancient compared to say,

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<v Speaker 2>the radio. But it was especially after the Second World

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<v Speaker 2>War that the telephone system really exploded for the first time.

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<v Speaker 2>More than half of Americans had phones in their homes.

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<v Speaker 2>You can hear the thrill of it in those post

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<v Speaker 2>war telephone ad campaigns.

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<v Speaker 5>Lift a telephone receiver and the world is at your

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<v Speaker 5>fingertaips speed and your voice spans oceans and continents with

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<v Speaker 5>the speed of light.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone was getting a phone. There were ten thousand new

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<v Speaker 2>hookups a day. More people got telephones right after the

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<v Speaker 2>war ended than any other time in history up till them.

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<v Speaker 2>In the four years after the war, the system grew

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<v Speaker 2>by half, and in the sprawling, booming city of Los Angeles,

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<v Speaker 2>everyone was patching in. It had always been a big

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<v Speaker 2>phone city. As a historian Emily Bills points out, everyone

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<v Speaker 2>thinks cars la, but before there were cars, trolleys, or

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<v Speaker 2>even paved streets in downtown Los Angeles, there were telephone

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<v Speaker 2>lines criss crossing all over the place, and over time

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<v Speaker 2>it became a catch all technology. People used the phone

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<v Speaker 2>for everything, the means.

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<v Speaker 8>Were transacting business, the means for communicating information, for seeking help,

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<v Speaker 8>for keeping all friends in touch.

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<v Speaker 2>But people swiftly realized that the phone didn't just connect

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<v Speaker 2>you to everything, It connected everything to your living room.

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<v Speaker 2>That was a little anxiety inducing. Maybe all this connection

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't such a good thing after all. There was a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of concern about who might call, and the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that they might call at any hour. But even more

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<v Speaker 2>upsetting was the concern about who might be listening, which

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<v Speaker 2>was on a lot of people's minds because they were

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<v Speaker 2>all on something called a party line, which phone companies

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<v Speaker 2>spend a lot of time and money getting people used to.

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<v Speaker 5>You and the other fellow on your line can help

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<v Speaker 5>each other to better telephone service by simply being good

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<v Speaker 5>party line neighbors.

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<v Speaker 2>Party lines were shared lines that connected a few houses

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<v Speaker 2>to the network. Most phone users had them, so picking

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<v Speaker 2>up the phone and overhearing someone else's conversation was a

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<v Speaker 2>regular thing. I find that tension really interesting. Here was

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<v Speaker 2>a device that lets you speak one on one to

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<v Speaker 2>someone far away from the privacy of your own home.

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<v Speaker 2>It invited secrets, but it also gave you the constant

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<v Speaker 2>awareness that someone might be able to hear them at

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<v Speaker 2>any time. I feel that now when I Google something

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<v Speaker 2>and then the next day see ads for it all

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<v Speaker 2>over the place. This moment the nineteen forties, when a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people were getting their phones and Big Jim

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<v Speaker 2>was in La setting up his electronics business, I think

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<v Speaker 2>that feeling began to go mainstream by the way people

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<v Speaker 2>called him Big Jim Voss, because what else do you

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<v Speaker 2>call a guy who's six foot four weighs three hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and twenty four pounds and is pursuing his passion for

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<v Speaker 2>electronics in his parents' basement.

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<v Speaker 3>Believe me, that's lige. Don't look so startled you've been

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<v Speaker 3>wondering anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>Imagine a guy that size, with slicked hair and big

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<v Speaker 2>v neck lapels like a linebacker, who kind of looks

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<v Speaker 2>like Elvis if you squint. He stood a head taller

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<v Speaker 2>than pretty much anyone else. With his life of crime

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<v Speaker 2>behind him, Big Jim went straight with his electronics business

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<v Speaker 2>at his parents' house for like two seconds.

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<v Speaker 3>One day, we were approached by the Los Angeles Police Department.

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<v Speaker 3>They wanted us to aid them in the development of

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<v Speaker 3>some equipment they thought would could have curbed crying.

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<v Speaker 2>The LAPD had found Big Jim kind of by accident.

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<v Speaker 2>A cop on their vice squad, Officer Charles Stoker, was

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<v Speaker 2>investigating a tip about an alleged prostitute living in an

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<v Speaker 2>apartment building. The other tenants had been complaining. When Stoker arrived,

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<v Speaker 2>he checked in with the manager, who happened to be

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<v Speaker 2>Big Jim Voss, helping out a friend. Luckily for us,

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<v Speaker 2>Stoker was very much the hero of his own story

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<v Speaker 2>and later wrote about this fateful encounter in a memoir

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<v Speaker 2>called Thicker in Thieves, the nineteen fifty factual expose of

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<v Speaker 2>police payoffs, graft, political corruption, and prostitution in Los Angeles

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<v Speaker 2>and Hollywood. Stoker needed proof that the suspect was engaging

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<v Speaker 2>in prostitution, but it was going to be hard to

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<v Speaker 2>get the kind of evidence he needed, at least if

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<v Speaker 2>he was going to do it legally.

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<v Speaker 9>One glance at the apartment, and I knew that the

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<v Speaker 9>arrest was going to be difficult, since defendans must be

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<v Speaker 9>caught in the act of sexual intercourse. The apartment had

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<v Speaker 9>a long hallway and the rooms were so far from

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<v Speaker 9>the outer door it would be virtually impossible to detect

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<v Speaker 9>incriminating conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>Big Jim was there observing all of this. Truthfully, he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't really care if one of the tenants was in

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<v Speaker 2>aging and prostitution. He later wrote, I was keeper of

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<v Speaker 2>no man's morals. But having watched the cops haplessly climb

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<v Speaker 2>a tree in an attempt to catch the woman in

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<v Speaker 2>the act, Big Jim sensed an opportunity. He revealed to

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<v Speaker 2>officer Stoker that his real job was electronics microphones. He

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<v Speaker 2>told them that he could bug the room and get

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<v Speaker 2>them the proof they needed. The cops were thrilled. This

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<v Speaker 2>plan wasn't exactly legal, but it probably seemed better than

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<v Speaker 2>the climbing trees thing. So Big Jim Voss got to work.

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<v Speaker 2>He hit a microphone in the room, and then they listened.

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<v Speaker 9>To say that I was amazed what I heard would

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<v Speaker 9>be an understate.

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<v Speaker 2>Big Jim had struck gold. The vice squad cops loved him.

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<v Speaker 2>He began making them all kinds of wire tapping gizmos.

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<v Speaker 3>We had one gadget that made it possible for us

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<v Speaker 3>who listen into telephone conversation, so that we didn't have

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<v Speaker 3>to go anywhere near the telephone in question, but we

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<v Speaker 3>could sit back on the other side of town and

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<v Speaker 3>hear all what was being said on that telephone.

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<v Speaker 2>Big Jim was kind of like Queue in James Bond.

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<v Speaker 2>He kept coming up with new ways for the cops

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<v Speaker 2>to spy on people. Mostly his innovations came from hiding

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<v Speaker 2>miniaturized microphones in places and recording what he heard on

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<v Speaker 2>a wire, an old recording format. He was especially proud

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<v Speaker 2>of something he called a talking cane, which allowed cops

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<v Speaker 2>to hear things through walls. It looked like a walking stick,

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<v Speaker 2>except it probably had a tiny microphone hidden in the

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<v Speaker 2>end and a wire running up the cane through the

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<v Speaker 2>cops sleeves to an amplifier and then to an earbud.

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<v Speaker 2>It also sent a signal wirelessly to a recording device

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<v Speaker 2>hidden in a car outside, so they could tape everything.

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<v Speaker 2>And then there were the wire taps that became Big

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<v Speaker 2>Jim's signature.

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<v Speaker 10>Tectologically speaking, in the days of the Copper eelephone system,

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<v Speaker 10>the electro mechanical switching system, it was really quite easy

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<v Speaker 10>to tap a line.

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<v Speaker 2>That's Brian Hawkman, director of American Studies at Georgetown University,

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<v Speaker 2>an author of the book The Listeners, a History of

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<v Speaker 2>wiretapping in the United States, And.

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<v Speaker 10>It's Big Jim Voss who was a true pioneer in

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<v Speaker 10>the postwar electronic eavesdropping field and made an extraordinary name

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<v Speaker 10>for himself on both sides.

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<v Speaker 7>Of the law.

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<v Speaker 2>Big Jim didn't make much money off the LAPD, but

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<v Speaker 2>as his reputation grew, he started getting more work around town.

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<v Speaker 2>He claimed to do a lot of work for movie stars. Specifically,

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<v Speaker 2>he said he'd tapped Mickey Rooney's phone so he could

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<v Speaker 2>prove his wife was having an affair.

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<v Speaker 3>It's always interesting what goes on when people don't know

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<v Speaker 3>they're being listened to by so many people.

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<v Speaker 2>I think this line of business is basically the same

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<v Speaker 2>as broadcasting his sister's date to the neighborhood kids, exposing

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<v Speaker 2>women by means of technology. The history of the telephone

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<v Speaker 2>and wiretapping is a history of privacy and concerns about

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<v Speaker 2>privacy which have always been gendered. We made a whole

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<v Speaker 2>episode about this a couple of years ago, The Invisible Lady.

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<v Speaker 2>You can listen to it on your phone on Apple

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<v Speaker 2>Podcasts wherever you get your podcasts. Anyway, the idea of

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<v Speaker 2>an electronic ear sitting in your living room was worrisome

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<v Speaker 2>to the broader public, in part because it violated the

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<v Speaker 2>sanctity of the home, and also because nobody particularly seemed

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<v Speaker 2>interested in cracking down on it. Exhibit A. The cops

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<v Speaker 2>were hiring Big Jim to do more of it.

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<v Speaker 10>One thing that's extraordinary to note, Despite the fact that

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<v Speaker 10>wire tapping was illegal in the state of California, private

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<v Speaker 10>eavesdroppers for hire advertised their services openly in the LA

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<v Speaker 10>Yellow Pages. And this was a business that was out

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<v Speaker 10>in the olden It was illegal, but it was never prosecuted,

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<v Speaker 10>and Boss emerges as a leader in this very strange

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<v Speaker 10>gray area industry.

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<v Speaker 2>Big Jim Voss, son of a preacher, two time convict

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<v Speaker 2>cat on his third life, was now simultaneously working for

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of movie stars who wanted to expose There

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<v Speaker 2>soon to be ex spouses, rich men who wanted radar

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<v Speaker 2>guard at homes, and self righteous cops who wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>wire tap call girls phones.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't think at the time he thought much at

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<v Speaker 7>all about the morality of the things he was doing.

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<v Speaker 7>I think he thought it was great fun.

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<v Speaker 2>It probably was fun until Big Jim got in over

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<v Speaker 2>his head. We'll be right back. In nineteen forty eight,

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<v Speaker 2>Big Jim Voss was wire tapping all over Los Angeles.

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<v Speaker 2>He was basically a character in a film noir movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Already that same year, an actual film noir movie came

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<v Speaker 2>out that opened with an epigraph which reads to me

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<v Speaker 2>like a mission statement for Big Jim.

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<v Speaker 11>And the tangled networks of a great city. The telephone

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<v Speaker 11>is the unseen link between a million lives. It is

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<v Speaker 11>a servant of our common needs, the confidant of our

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<v Speaker 11>inmost secrets.

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<v Speaker 2>Big Jim Voss was wired tapping all over those networks,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was about to get tangled up in something

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<v Speaker 2>pretty serious. Among the many clients he claimed cops, movie stars, businesses.

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<v Speaker 2>Big Jim had been working with a private detective who

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<v Speaker 2>turned out to have a connection to the mob. The

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<v Speaker 2>Mob realized he could use a guy like Big Jim,

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<v Speaker 2>so they called him up.

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<v Speaker 3>One day, we were called after a little habitashery on

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<v Speaker 3>the Sunset Drip in Hollywood.

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<v Speaker 2>Big Jim drove out to the Habitashery, a little hat

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<v Speaker 2>shop on the Sunset Strip, and he made his way

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<v Speaker 2>to the back.

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<v Speaker 3>I was quite well impressed, first of all with the

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<v Speaker 3>steel doors that I passed through to get into it.

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<v Speaker 3>Secondly with its exquisite furnishing, walnut panels that ran from

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<v Speaker 3>ceiling to floor, suspended television set in the corner, red

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<v Speaker 3>leathered upholstered furniture in a semi circular death behind which

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<v Speaker 3>SATIS famed man Mickey Cohen.

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<v Speaker 2>Mickey Cohen was the head of the Los Angeles Underworld. Short,

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<v Speaker 2>bald guy with a pretty odd personality, a cold blooded

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<v Speaker 2>killer who loved eating ice cream and washed his hands

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<v Speaker 2>fifty times a day. In the back of that hat shop,

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<v Speaker 2>he explained the situation to Big Jim. The LAPD had

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<v Speaker 2>bugged Cohen's house. Cohen wanted Big Jim to find the bug.

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<v Speaker 2>He came by the next day piece of cake. Cohen

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<v Speaker 2>was impressed, and pretty quickly he hired Big Jim to

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<v Speaker 2>listen in on all of his enemies for him, including

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<v Speaker 2>the LAPD, for whom Big Jim had also been wired tapping.

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<v Speaker 2>He was a double agent, worked for the good guys

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<v Speaker 2>and the bad guys, except as I came to realize,

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<v Speaker 2>those were the same guys. In Los Angeles, there used

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<v Speaker 2>to be something known as the combination, the alliance between

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<v Speaker 2>city government, law enforcement, and the mob. Something like that

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<v Speaker 2>still existed in Big Jim's day, so he didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>to pick sides because there weren't really sides. He worked

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<v Speaker 2>for the LAPD and he worked for the Mob. He

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<v Speaker 2>got pretty cozy with them. Eventually he moved his electronics

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<v Speaker 2>shop onto the Strip, right alongside the mobbed up Habitashery.

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<v Speaker 2>The strip was outside city jurisdiction for quite some time.

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<v Speaker 3>After engaging in this activity with mister Cohen, I found

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<v Speaker 3>it convenience to work for him on the one side,

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<v Speaker 3>and for law enforcement agencies.

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<v Speaker 2>On the other Voss was still working with the LAPD.

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<v Speaker 2>Tapping the phones was amazingly useful for those guys, because

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<v Speaker 2>the phone has always been a kind of refuge for

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<v Speaker 2>the things people can't do in public. That's one way

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<v Speaker 2>to think about the telephone network as a kind of

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<v Speaker 2>shadow of public life, the place where secret lives and

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<v Speaker 2>longings go, things like prostitution. In the late nineteen forties,

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<v Speaker 2>Voss's main gig with the police had been helping Stoker

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<v Speaker 2>investigate probably the biggest prostitution ring in the city. It

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<v Speaker 2>was headed up by a woman named Brenda Allen. She

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<v Speaker 2>was a hard nosed businesswoman, glamorous, always in sunglasses. As

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<v Speaker 2>Time magazine put it, somewhat absurdly, she had a mind

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<v Speaker 2>like a cash register, and she hadn't been in love

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<v Speaker 2>since she was twenty one. Like Big Jim, She'd found

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<v Speaker 2>a good use for Los Angeles' vast telephone network. Brothels

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<v Speaker 2>were risky, they could be raided, all the foot traffic

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<v Speaker 2>would draw attention. But if you had a web of employees,

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<v Speaker 2>each with their own phone, the modern adam could function

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<v Speaker 2>like a telephone exchange. This is where the term call

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<v Speaker 2>girl comes from. Brenda Allen had one hundred and fourteen

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<v Speaker 2>of them all over town. She was always on the

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<v Speaker 2>phone setting up secret rendezvous, and Officer Stoker wanted Big

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<v Speaker 2>Jim to listen in. He wrote about the plan in his.

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<v Speaker 9>Memoir We went to Brendan entered through the basement through

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<v Speaker 9>a rear door, and in short order Voss had tapped

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<v Speaker 9>rendered Lyne. There were more calls than she could possibly

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<v Speaker 9>hand them. As soon as she received one call and

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<v Speaker 9>dispatched a girl or girls, she would dial the telephone,

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<v Speaker 9>exchange them and contact. The operator would give her the

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<v Speaker 9>names of waiting customs.

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<v Speaker 2>The scene was recreated in that movie Wiretapper, in loving detail.

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<v Speaker 2>You can see the real equipment, and the conversation is

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<v Speaker 2>straight from an account. Big Jim wrote of the night.

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<v Speaker 12>Cord, who gave you this number? Why, mister Fielding, our

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<v Speaker 12>sales manager. Oh, yes, Well, we have some very nice

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<v Speaker 12>books the heroine and one is especially attractive, A brunette

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<v Speaker 12>about five for three ads like very interesting reading. How

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<v Speaker 12>about ten o'clock at the corner of Sunset and Lbrea.

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<v Speaker 12>There'll be a picture on the front cover, a girl

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<v Speaker 12>in a mink coat. That'll be fine. Goodbye.

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<v Speaker 2>Stoker in real life was thrilled. Now he wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>find out who the call girls were, so a day later,

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<v Speaker 2>Big Jim came by with a device that could record

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<v Speaker 2>all the numbers. Brenda Allen was dialing an impulse indicator,

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<v Speaker 2>jammed in that basement, probably sweating, breathing as quietly as possible.

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<v Speaker 2>Big Jim and Stoker gathered twenty nine numbers in one night,

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<v Speaker 2>most of them for girls working for Alan. It was

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<v Speaker 2>a huge coup. Stoker was greedy for more numbers, so

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<v Speaker 2>he came back the next night with Big Jim's device,

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<v Speaker 2>hooked it up to the wire, and began writing down

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<v Speaker 2>all the numbers. And then he saw a number that

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<v Speaker 2>he recognized, the number of the La Vice Squad his

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<v Speaker 2>own department.

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<v Speaker 9>My ears twitching, my nostrils flared as I listened. When

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<v Speaker 9>someone answered Brenda's ring, she inquired if Sergeant Jackson.

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<v Speaker 2>Was in Moments later, according to Stoker's account, Stoker and

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<v Speaker 2>Big Jim were listening to one of the top aids

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<v Speaker 2>to the head of the vice squad as he talked

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<v Speaker 2>with the Cities number one madam about how much they

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<v Speaker 2>loved each other. The call also confirmed that the vice

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<v Speaker 2>squad was being paid off by Allan. The self righteous

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<v Speaker 2>stoker was aghast crooked cops in Los Angeles.

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<v Speaker 9>At the time. I had high ideals concerning the Los

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<v Speaker 9>Angeles Police Department.

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<v Speaker 2>Big Jim suffered from no such idealism, and when he

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<v Speaker 2>teamed up with Mickey Cohen, he told the mob all

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<v Speaker 2>about the recordings. It was too good not to share

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<v Speaker 2>leverage on the cops. But when word got out about

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<v Speaker 2>Big Jim's recordings of Brenda Allen and the LAPD, the

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<v Speaker 2>situation spiraled why out of control. Here's how bad corruption

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<v Speaker 2>was in Los Angeles in the nineteen forties. There was

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<v Speaker 2>a grand jury that met every year to investigate corruption

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<v Speaker 2>in government. When they caught wind of Big Jim's blockbuster

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<v Speaker 2>Brenda Allen recordings, they launched an investigation. It exposed corruption

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<v Speaker 2>all over the place, mobbed up cops, Brenda Allen paying

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<v Speaker 2>people off. It was so bad that the chief of

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<v Speaker 2>the LAPD even stepped down. Everyone was turning on everyone else,

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<v Speaker 2>and somehow Big Jim Voss and his wiretap recordings were

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<v Speaker 2>right at the center of it all.

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<v Speaker 7>The police was looking for these tapes that my father

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<v Speaker 7>had related to Brenda Allen. Then he wasn't giving them up.

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<v Speaker 2>Will Voss, Big Jim's son, the pastor.

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<v Speaker 7>Again he was leading them on a wild goose chase.

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<v Speaker 7>You're sure these tapes agrees, yes. And then in the

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<v Speaker 7>midst of all grand jury trial, you know he committed

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<v Speaker 7>perjury implicating a police officer that you know that Cohen

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<v Speaker 7>wanted to go down the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It was the fall of nineteen forty nine and Big

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<v Speaker 2>Jim was in a tight spot. Everything was splintering. He

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't wire tap and bug for everyone anymore. The LAPD

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<v Speaker 2>and Cohen weren't on good terms. There was a gang war,

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<v Speaker 2>and Big Jim was involved in this whole other scheme

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<v Speaker 2>that was jeopardizing his relationship with Cohen. Big Jim had

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<v Speaker 2>been one step ahead of everyone the whole time, but

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<v Speaker 2>now it was all catching up to him. He had

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<v Speaker 2>nowhere to turn. In that exact moment, the modern evangelical

0:26:51.875 --> 0:26:54.835
<v Speaker 2>movement came crashing into Big Jim's life.

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<v Speaker 8>From Minneapolis comes a young evangelist, Billy Graham, to cooperate

0:27:02.035 --> 0:27:04.995
<v Speaker 8>with Christ for Great Heir Los Angeles in a Great

0:27:05.155 --> 0:27:06.395
<v Speaker 8>Revival campaign.

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<v Speaker 2>You probably know the name Billy Graham. He brought the

0:27:10.915 --> 0:27:14.355
<v Speaker 2>evangelical movement to political power in this country. His Los

0:27:14.395 --> 0:27:18.155
<v Speaker 2>Angeles crusade was what would make him famous nationwide. Graham

0:27:18.235 --> 0:27:20.635
<v Speaker 2>set up in a huge revival tent at the corner

0:27:20.715 --> 0:27:23.835
<v Speaker 2>of Washington and Hill Streets. It was big news.

0:27:25.195 --> 0:27:28.155
<v Speaker 8>There are sixty five hundred people seated here in this

0:27:28.315 --> 0:27:32.635
<v Speaker 8>canvas cathedral, and several thousands more stand around the sides

0:27:32.675 --> 0:27:36.835
<v Speaker 8>of the tent, approximately three hundred and fifty thousand total

0:27:36.875 --> 0:27:39.395
<v Speaker 8>attendants in two months.

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<v Speaker 2>Big Jim's preacher father was worried about him started trying

0:27:45.795 --> 0:27:47.955
<v Speaker 2>to get him to check out Graham. In a town

0:27:48.035 --> 0:27:50.675
<v Speaker 2>that loved celebrities, suddenly a preacher was one of the

0:27:50.675 --> 0:27:54.635
<v Speaker 2>most famous guys around. Down on his luck, Big Jim

0:27:55.035 --> 0:27:55.835
<v Speaker 2>decided to go.

0:27:56.915 --> 0:27:59.715
<v Speaker 3>I thought to myself, well, I'll just drive by and

0:27:59.795 --> 0:28:04.755
<v Speaker 3>see what's packed. I saw some fifteen thousand people trying

0:28:04.795 --> 0:28:08.475
<v Speaker 3>to jam their way in. I drove on by. Then

0:28:08.475 --> 0:28:10.395
<v Speaker 3>I thought, well, i'll park walk back.

0:28:11.675 --> 0:28:14.315
<v Speaker 2>Big Jim was at this point a recognizable face from

0:28:14.355 --> 0:28:17.915
<v Speaker 2>all the press coverage of the grand jury investigation. Someone

0:28:17.995 --> 0:28:20.635
<v Speaker 2>saw him. He was hard to miss and went to

0:28:20.675 --> 0:28:23.315
<v Speaker 2>tell Graham that a hardened criminal was in the audience.

0:28:24.115 --> 0:28:25.955
<v Speaker 3>And I muscled my way to the front of the

0:28:26.035 --> 0:28:28.915
<v Speaker 3>standing crowd. Some old lady got up and left her seat,

0:28:28.995 --> 0:28:33.635
<v Speaker 3>and I grabbed it and I sat down and listened

0:28:33.635 --> 0:28:37.315
<v Speaker 3>to the program, not enjoying it one bit.

0:28:38.875 --> 0:28:42.395
<v Speaker 2>Big Jim was uncomfortable. And then Graham came on stage

0:28:42.515 --> 0:28:46.115
<v Speaker 2>and began to preach this it's the climactic moment of

0:28:46.155 --> 0:28:47.355
<v Speaker 2>the movie Wiretapper.

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<v Speaker 6>As I've stood here this evening, I felt all evening

0:28:51.195 --> 0:28:55.275
<v Speaker 6>that there's a man somewhere in this audience. He's heard

0:28:55.275 --> 0:28:58.835
<v Speaker 6>this message many times before, and the Spirit of God

0:28:58.915 --> 0:29:01.875
<v Speaker 6>is striving mightily with him at this moment, and if

0:29:01.915 --> 0:29:04.835
<v Speaker 6>he doesn't come to Christ now, he may never come.

0:29:05.515 --> 0:29:08.275
<v Speaker 6>We're going to wait a moment. There's still time for

0:29:08.355 --> 0:29:11.955
<v Speaker 6>you to come and give your life to Christ.

0:29:15.355 --> 0:29:18.275
<v Speaker 2>Big Jim said he felt like Graham was speaking straight

0:29:18.355 --> 0:29:21.475
<v Speaker 2>to him. He stood up, he walked to the front

0:29:21.515 --> 0:29:24.875
<v Speaker 2>of the Canvas Cathedral. He fell to his knees, and

0:29:24.915 --> 0:29:31.075
<v Speaker 2>he gave himself to God. That speech you've been hearing, we.

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<v Speaker 3>Had one gadget that made it possible for us to

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<v Speaker 3>listen in the telephone conversation.

0:29:37.355 --> 0:29:41.955
<v Speaker 2>It's a sermon. Big Jim Voss cat on his fourth life.

0:29:42.035 --> 0:29:44.995
<v Speaker 2>After that night, he quit the mob joined up with

0:29:45.035 --> 0:29:47.555
<v Speaker 2>Billy Graham and helped to make him one of the

0:29:47.595 --> 0:29:52.635
<v Speaker 2>most famous religious figures of all time by preaching about

0:29:52.635 --> 0:30:04.875
<v Speaker 2>the telephone. We'll be right back. Some people were a

0:30:04.915 --> 0:30:09.155
<v Speaker 2>little suspicious of Big Jim Voss's conveniently timed conversion. Among

0:30:09.195 --> 0:30:11.115
<v Speaker 2>them Officer Charles Stoker.

0:30:12.075 --> 0:30:15.675
<v Speaker 9>Voss got himself a new code of celestial varnish. He

0:30:15.835 --> 0:30:18.355
<v Speaker 9>said that he was tired of being a sinner and

0:30:18.515 --> 0:30:19.915
<v Speaker 9>wanted to return to God.

0:30:20.795 --> 0:30:23.075
<v Speaker 2>Now Stoker might have been a little too hard bitten there.

0:30:23.475 --> 0:30:26.395
<v Speaker 2>Voss did ultimately set up a much acclaimed ministry called

0:30:26.435 --> 0:30:30.315
<v Speaker 2>Youth Development Incorporated, tending the gangs in Harlem. But look,

0:30:30.875 --> 0:30:33.435
<v Speaker 2>this episode is not about the ultimate state of Big

0:30:33.515 --> 0:30:37.475
<v Speaker 2>Jim Voss's soul. It's about the telephone. Remember, and Big

0:30:37.555 --> 0:30:40.475
<v Speaker 2>Jim was literally standing at the source of the twentieth

0:30:40.515 --> 0:30:43.635
<v Speaker 2>century evangelical movement in America with his ear to the

0:30:43.675 --> 0:30:49.875
<v Speaker 2>country's phones. Brian Hawkman, wiretapping historian on the line once again.

0:30:50.355 --> 0:30:57.835
<v Speaker 10>And Graham used Vassa's conversion as one of his great

0:30:58.915 --> 0:31:01.795
<v Speaker 10>kind of advertisements for his teachings.

0:31:02.515 --> 0:31:05.955
<v Speaker 2>Big Jim started spreading the Gospel of the reformed Wiretapper.

0:31:06.515 --> 0:31:08.955
<v Speaker 2>He even published a book with the help of Graham's network.

0:31:09.355 --> 0:31:12.075
<v Speaker 2>It's called Why I Quit Syndicated Crime, and it was

0:31:12.115 --> 0:31:15.395
<v Speaker 2>a hit. Then Graham's ministry made that movie in nineteen

0:31:15.435 --> 0:31:19.235
<v Speaker 2>fifty five, another success, albeit a really weird one. And

0:31:19.275 --> 0:31:22.715
<v Speaker 2>then Voss started touring the country trying to save souls,

0:31:23.235 --> 0:31:25.755
<v Speaker 2>and what he talked about all the time was his

0:31:25.835 --> 0:31:29.715
<v Speaker 2>career wire tapping. He even brought wiretapping gear on stage

0:31:29.715 --> 0:31:30.035
<v Speaker 2>with him.

0:31:30.795 --> 0:31:34.075
<v Speaker 10>He was God's wiretap. Where God had been calling, he

0:31:34.115 --> 0:31:37.235
<v Speaker 10>had never picked up the phone, and finally he tapped

0:31:37.275 --> 0:31:38.715
<v Speaker 10>in at just the right moment.

0:31:39.795 --> 0:31:42.795
<v Speaker 2>This was the early nineteen fifties. There was talk of

0:31:42.795 --> 0:31:46.075
<v Speaker 2>a bugging epidemic in America, but also a sense of

0:31:46.115 --> 0:31:49.835
<v Speaker 2>just how miraculous this technology was. Bill Labs, the famed

0:31:49.875 --> 0:31:52.875
<v Speaker 2>research arm of the telephone company AT and T, had

0:31:52.915 --> 0:31:56.475
<v Speaker 2>just invented the transistor, the electrical device that made possible

0:31:56.515 --> 0:32:00.115
<v Speaker 2>the miniaturization of everything, including the phone in your pocket.

0:32:01.235 --> 0:32:08.435
<v Speaker 10>So the story that Boss tells his congregation, illustrated through

0:32:08.475 --> 0:32:13.315
<v Speaker 10>the eavesdropping devices, is that no man can hide from God.

0:32:13.435 --> 0:32:18.435
<v Speaker 10>If man can't hide from man, if all conversations can

0:32:18.475 --> 0:32:24.075
<v Speaker 10>be recorded, everything hidden can be known, how can man

0:32:24.235 --> 0:32:26.275
<v Speaker 10>hope to hide from God?

0:32:26.595 --> 0:32:26.915
<v Speaker 7>Here?

0:32:27.035 --> 0:32:32.995
<v Speaker 10>Were man made miracles, evidence of the almost divine power

0:32:33.355 --> 0:32:36.515
<v Speaker 10>of technology to change the world.

0:32:36.675 --> 0:32:38.715
<v Speaker 13>And there's also, I guess, the sort of the way

0:32:38.755 --> 0:32:40.395
<v Speaker 13>in which your secret in our life is a saying

0:32:40.475 --> 0:32:42.955
<v Speaker 13>no normly to God that is now possibly also known

0:32:42.995 --> 0:32:46.315
<v Speaker 13>to man, and this is through things like the wire

0:32:46.315 --> 0:32:47.315
<v Speaker 13>tapping devices.

0:32:47.875 --> 0:32:50.795
<v Speaker 10>Absolutely he titled his sermon no Place to Hide.

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<v Speaker 2>This story has it all crime, corruption, electronics, evangelicals, but

0:32:57.595 --> 0:32:59.435
<v Speaker 2>I think the phone is the thing that brings it

0:32:59.475 --> 0:33:05.475
<v Speaker 2>all together. In Big Jim sermons and Billy Graham's wiretapper,

0:33:05.755 --> 0:33:09.395
<v Speaker 2>electronics are miracles to be wondered at. But they also

0:33:09.435 --> 0:33:12.795
<v Speaker 2>threatened to expose you to men like the old big Gym,

0:33:13.075 --> 0:33:15.515
<v Speaker 2>to take the secret things that once only God or

0:33:15.515 --> 0:33:18.195
<v Speaker 2>your priest and a confessional could have known, and broadcast

0:33:18.275 --> 0:33:23.435
<v Speaker 2>them to everyone. And it's kind of a classically American story.

0:33:23.755 --> 0:33:26.235
<v Speaker 2>No other country took to the phone as quickly or

0:33:26.275 --> 0:33:29.195
<v Speaker 2>as thoroughly as we did. People fretted about how the

0:33:29.235 --> 0:33:33.155
<v Speaker 2>suburban sprawl was telephone aided in a country this big,

0:33:33.355 --> 0:33:36.715
<v Speaker 2>the phone holds it all together. There's something really American

0:33:36.755 --> 0:33:40.155
<v Speaker 2>about that idea of this one vast, fragile system connecting

0:33:40.155 --> 0:33:44.595
<v Speaker 2>all these crazy disparate lives together, wiretappers to preachers, call

0:33:44.635 --> 0:33:49.035
<v Speaker 2>girls to cops. It's like democracy as a technology, but

0:33:49.115 --> 0:33:52.155
<v Speaker 2>again like a shadow democracy. The phone is what you

0:33:52.315 --> 0:33:54.235
<v Speaker 2>use for the things you don't want to be seen

0:33:54.275 --> 0:33:57.475
<v Speaker 2>in public, the place you lead your secret life, whatever

0:33:57.515 --> 0:34:00.315
<v Speaker 2>that consists of. It reminds me of those nine hundred

0:34:00.395 --> 0:34:02.555
<v Speaker 2>numbers that became a big deal in the nineteen eighties,

0:34:02.715 --> 0:34:06.595
<v Speaker 2>which were famously used for phone sex and also for spiritualists.

0:34:07.315 --> 0:34:09.315
<v Speaker 2>That's kind of always been the thing with the phone,

0:34:09.875 --> 0:34:13.555
<v Speaker 2>secret longings and spiritualism. A lot of people thought maybe

0:34:13.555 --> 0:34:16.195
<v Speaker 2>you could reach the spirit world through the telephone lines.

0:34:17.235 --> 0:34:19.755
<v Speaker 2>All this to say, the experience of hearing a voice

0:34:19.755 --> 0:34:24.195
<v Speaker 2>from miles away almost instantaneously, it collapsed time and space

0:34:24.395 --> 0:34:28.435
<v Speaker 2>in a completely unreal, visceral way. And because it lets

0:34:28.475 --> 0:34:32.715
<v Speaker 2>you share things privately without showing your face, it invited confessions.

0:34:33.435 --> 0:34:37.275
<v Speaker 2>It's always created this kind of otherworldly private feeling that

0:34:37.315 --> 0:34:41.635
<v Speaker 2>religion deals with. That's part of why I think Big

0:34:41.715 --> 0:34:45.475
<v Speaker 2>Jim's wiretapping was such a rich vehicle for any evangelical message.

0:34:45.995 --> 0:34:48.355
<v Speaker 2>But that message, as Graham used it, was a little

0:34:48.355 --> 0:34:51.395
<v Speaker 2>Old Testament. The phone's like a God who hears all

0:34:51.475 --> 0:34:54.435
<v Speaker 2>and spares no one. It's a connection to all the

0:34:54.475 --> 0:34:58.075
<v Speaker 2>sin coursing through the country. Like that poster for Wiretapper

0:34:58.115 --> 0:35:01.155
<v Speaker 2>of the movie said, if you're on the phone, you're

0:35:01.195 --> 0:35:05.955
<v Speaker 2>not safe. But there was another side to it. As

0:35:05.955 --> 0:35:08.755
<v Speaker 2>Big Jim was touring the country talking about the phone

0:35:08.795 --> 0:35:12.035
<v Speaker 2>and wiretapping and the state of his audience's soul, another

0:35:12.075 --> 0:35:15.475
<v Speaker 2>religious movement was beginning in Ocean Away that was also

0:35:15.595 --> 0:35:19.195
<v Speaker 2>all about the phone. So let's leave Big Jim Voss

0:35:19.195 --> 0:35:23.595
<v Speaker 2>for a minute and make a long distance call from

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<v Speaker 2>the northeast under the sea on the cable that stretches

0:35:27.355 --> 0:35:31.795
<v Speaker 2>from North America along the ocean floor and up the

0:35:31.795 --> 0:35:36.475
<v Speaker 2>craggy Rocks to England, down the winding streets of London

0:35:37.675 --> 0:35:42.835
<v Speaker 2>to a church Saint Stephen Wahlberg, a church that had

0:35:42.875 --> 0:35:47.275
<v Speaker 2>been bombed out during the Blitz. It's nineteen fifty three

0:35:47.315 --> 0:35:51.275
<v Speaker 2>and an Anglican vicar named Chad Vera is starting the

0:35:51.475 --> 0:35:54.515
<v Speaker 2>very first suicide hotline.

0:35:54.795 --> 0:35:57.835
<v Speaker 14>Vera had for a long time been really aware of

0:35:57.875 --> 0:36:02.275
<v Speaker 14>suicide and suicidality and been very preoccupied by the pain

0:36:02.875 --> 0:36:07.555
<v Speaker 14>that suicidality and suicide brought into communities, alongside, of course

0:36:07.635 --> 0:36:09.795
<v Speaker 14>the loss of individuals.

0:36:10.235 --> 0:36:12.675
<v Speaker 2>Hannah's Even is a historian of science who wrote a

0:36:12.675 --> 0:36:17.035
<v Speaker 2>book called The Distance Cure, A History of Teletherapy. Most

0:36:17.075 --> 0:36:20.035
<v Speaker 2>people think suicide hotlines are a secular kind of therapy,

0:36:20.435 --> 0:36:22.555
<v Speaker 2>but they came from the Church at a post war

0:36:22.635 --> 0:36:25.275
<v Speaker 2>moment when the suicide rate was rising in the US

0:36:25.275 --> 0:36:29.715
<v Speaker 2>and the UK. Chad Vera that Anglican vicar was trying

0:36:29.715 --> 0:36:32.235
<v Speaker 2>to figure out how to address it, and so.

0:36:32.475 --> 0:36:36.515
<v Speaker 14>Vera in the early nineteen fifties had become not only

0:36:36.555 --> 0:36:38.955
<v Speaker 14>really preoccupied with the fact that there was this increase

0:36:38.995 --> 0:36:43.155
<v Speaker 14>in suicidality in this society, but also that there weren't

0:36:43.235 --> 0:36:48.715
<v Speaker 14>social mechanisms for intervening and helping those in crisis, not

0:36:48.835 --> 0:36:51.795
<v Speaker 14>only because it's unspeakable and all of the things that

0:36:52.475 --> 0:36:55.555
<v Speaker 14>might trouble someone so greatly or unspeakable, but also because

0:36:55.555 --> 0:36:56.875
<v Speaker 14>it was a felony.

0:36:57.155 --> 0:37:00.555
<v Speaker 2>To the cops. Suicide was a crime. To the church,

0:37:00.955 --> 0:37:04.155
<v Speaker 2>it was a sin. So who could hear suicidal people

0:37:04.235 --> 0:37:06.955
<v Speaker 2>talk about it? They were totally isolated.

0:37:07.755 --> 0:37:10.475
<v Speaker 14>Well, he really understood was that in a urgencies, right,

0:37:10.515 --> 0:37:13.955
<v Speaker 14>we are conditioned to reach for the telephone then as

0:37:14.075 --> 0:37:16.955
<v Speaker 14>now it's a different form of telephone, no doubt, but

0:37:17.075 --> 0:37:20.515
<v Speaker 14>that that was already a kind of habitast of your

0:37:20.515 --> 0:37:23.955
<v Speaker 14>any given individual. Nine one one as a formulation didn't

0:37:23.955 --> 0:37:26.715
<v Speaker 14>exist for some time in the US. In the UK,

0:37:26.995 --> 0:37:29.395
<v Speaker 14>that history is a little bit different, right, They did

0:37:29.435 --> 0:37:32.595
<v Speaker 14>have a unified number already, So it makes sense in

0:37:32.675 --> 0:37:37.675
<v Speaker 14>terms of telephone history, right that British folks were already

0:37:37.755 --> 0:37:41.395
<v Speaker 14>conditioned to call nine nine nine. So instead of putting

0:37:41.595 --> 0:37:45.795
<v Speaker 14>fire and police, and also while not making it, a psychiatrist,

0:37:45.955 --> 0:37:49.075
<v Speaker 14>Vera knew that we needed some kind of his society

0:37:49.195 --> 0:37:50.395
<v Speaker 14>needed some kind of thing.

0:37:52.995 --> 0:37:56.155
<v Speaker 2>Vera decided to make a kind of telephone church. No

0:37:56.235 --> 0:38:01.155
<v Speaker 2>physical congregation, just phones and Vera with a secretary, Vivian Prosser,

0:38:01.355 --> 0:38:05.635
<v Speaker 2>offering counseling to people contemplating suicide twenty four hours a day.

0:38:06.435 --> 0:38:08.515
<v Speaker 7>Then Vera got to work.

0:38:08.315 --> 0:38:12.715
<v Speaker 14>He writ he offered this kind of serracutic confessional remediated.

0:38:13.395 --> 0:38:16.555
<v Speaker 14>And it was so popular because immediately it became a

0:38:16.595 --> 0:38:18.955
<v Speaker 14>feel good story in the popular person.

0:38:18.755 --> 0:38:19.315
<v Speaker 7>On the radio.

0:38:20.555 --> 0:38:24.795
<v Speaker 2>Vera was offering a kind of half psychoanalysis, half pastoral counseling.

0:38:25.315 --> 0:38:28.475
<v Speaker 2>But the key thing was the telephone, the privacy of

0:38:28.475 --> 0:38:32.355
<v Speaker 2>that conversation, the anonymity had offered, and the connection to

0:38:32.435 --> 0:38:35.555
<v Speaker 2>someone when you needed them most. It was a brilliant

0:38:35.555 --> 0:38:39.955
<v Speaker 2>idea and immediately it was extremely popular, and.

0:38:39.835 --> 0:38:43.755
<v Speaker 14>So Vera and Prosser couldn't handle the urgency of the

0:38:43.795 --> 0:38:46.475
<v Speaker 14>calls on their own, and it couldn't be truly twenty

0:38:46.475 --> 0:38:49.435
<v Speaker 14>four hours a day. That was another problem. So in

0:38:49.635 --> 0:38:52.475
<v Speaker 14>order to meet the demand for help over the phone

0:38:53.155 --> 0:38:56.875
<v Speaker 14>in its earliest moment, Vera trained fifty volunteers.

0:38:57.275 --> 0:39:00.035
<v Speaker 2>It kind of reminded me of Brenda Allen's call Girl Network,

0:39:00.395 --> 0:39:02.795
<v Speaker 2>the private thing that someone wouldn't seek out in public

0:39:02.835 --> 0:39:05.235
<v Speaker 2>but could ask for on the phone. It's like a

0:39:05.275 --> 0:39:09.075
<v Speaker 2>system of tunnels under polite society, connecting someone filled with

0:39:09.115 --> 0:39:11.875
<v Speaker 2>despair and bedroom to a kindly ear in a blitz

0:39:11.915 --> 0:39:12.955
<v Speaker 2>bam church in London.

0:39:14.035 --> 0:39:17.155
<v Speaker 14>And I just love this. The term of art is befriending,

0:39:17.995 --> 0:39:22.555
<v Speaker 14>which is this kind of ancient Christian term remade as

0:39:22.595 --> 0:39:25.875
<v Speaker 14>this new person to person, that mediated form of care.

0:39:26.475 --> 0:39:30.275
<v Speaker 14>And this is a Samaritans, which is the world's oldest

0:39:30.355 --> 0:39:34.475
<v Speaker 14>and also most used suicide hotline, and it's still active today.

0:39:39.475 --> 0:39:43.515
<v Speaker 2>Various ideas spread all over the world. The hotline went

0:39:43.595 --> 0:39:46.195
<v Speaker 2>on to take a lot of different forms, but it

0:39:46.275 --> 0:39:49.115
<v Speaker 2>was right there in the nineteen fifties a big news

0:39:49.195 --> 0:39:53.875
<v Speaker 2>story right alongside Big Jim's conversion narrative, two stories about

0:39:53.915 --> 0:39:58.835
<v Speaker 2>invisible listeners, overhearing you at your lowest point, and understanding

0:39:59.235 --> 0:40:11.995
<v Speaker 2>who you really are. Since the nineteen fifties, there have

0:40:12.035 --> 0:40:15.035
<v Speaker 2>been hotlines and dial of something services for pretty much

0:40:15.035 --> 0:40:18.475
<v Speaker 2>everything you can imagine, from the serious like nine to

0:40:18.475 --> 0:40:21.795
<v Speaker 2>eight eight today's National Suicide Hotline in the US, or

0:40:21.795 --> 0:40:25.435
<v Speaker 2>hotlines Fraid's Information in the nineteen eighties, to the less

0:40:25.435 --> 0:40:29.475
<v Speaker 2>serious nine five one two, six ' two three zero

0:40:29.555 --> 0:40:33.435
<v Speaker 2>six two Santa's Hotline six ' four to one seven

0:40:33.555 --> 0:40:37.635
<v Speaker 2>nine three eight one two two dial a pone. Even

0:40:37.635 --> 0:40:40.915
<v Speaker 2>Big Jim Voss started one one eight hundred hit Home,

0:40:41.435 --> 0:40:45.435
<v Speaker 2>a hot line for runaway kids looking for shelter. Will Voss,

0:40:45.475 --> 0:40:47.875
<v Speaker 2>big Jim's son, remembers working for it when he was

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<v Speaker 2>in college.

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<v Speaker 7>I did do a lot of listening to kids, and

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<v Speaker 7>you know, I didn't I didn't have to prompt them

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<v Speaker 7>very much, you know, to pour their hearts out. It

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<v Speaker 7>to stappen naturally.

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<v Speaker 13>It would have happened in the same way if you'd

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<v Speaker 13>been face to face with them.

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<v Speaker 7>Probably not. Yeah, I think the anonymity really helped.

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<v Speaker 2>The anonymity helps the phones a tool of alienation, the

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<v Speaker 2>phones a vehicle for connection. It turns out both things

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<v Speaker 2>are true. And what's amazing to me about these big

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<v Speaker 2>stories that people were using to understand the phone in

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<v Speaker 2>the fifties wiretaps and hotlines, is they've got these shadows,

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<v Speaker 2>spiritual messages. I think the phone still has those vestiges

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<v Speaker 2>baked into it. It's like a tiny god in your pocket,

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<v Speaker 2>wire tapping everything you say, surveilling and sometimes saving. The

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