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Speaker 1: Welcome to good Game with Sarah Spain where we're not

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Speaker 1: calling soccer superstar Lynn Williams, Lynn Biandolo. What we went

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Speaker 1: over this no new names, We're not going to know

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Speaker 1: them and we're not going to use them for like

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Speaker 1: at least a year too. Many of you soccer girl

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Speaker 1: who's got hitched this offseason? How are we supposed to

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Speaker 1: keep up? Can't do it? Won't do it. Also, honestly,

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Speaker 1: fuck the patriarchy, keep your own names. It's Friday, January

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Speaker 1: twenty fourth, and on today's show, we'll be talking Tampa

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Speaker 1: Bay and how WNBA free agency might be affected by

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Speaker 1: all the unrivaled players hanging down in Florida. Plus the

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Speaker 1: latest in a wild college hoops season, transfer fees explained,

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Speaker 1: and some new research that's no surprise to us, but

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Speaker 1: that doesn't make it any less infuriating. It's all coming

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Speaker 1: up right after this Happy Friday slices. Here's what you

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Speaker 1: need to know today in hockey news. Huge congrats to

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Speaker 1: Northeastern University, winners of the forty sixth Women's bean Pot.

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Speaker 1: The Huskies down to Boston University for nothing in front

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Speaker 1: of thirteen two hundred and seventy nine people at TD Garden.

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Speaker 1: That's good for the fifth biggest turnout in D one

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Speaker 1: women's college hockey history. Freshman goalie Lisa Jansen was named MVP,

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Speaker 1: registering thirty saves in the championship game. The victory marks

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Speaker 1: Northeastern's third straight bean Pot title and the twentieth in

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Speaker 1: school history. In the on ice postgame interview, Husky's grad

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Speaker 1: student defender Lily Jovitch took center stage and shared her

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Speaker 1: thoughts with nesson on what we can learn from the

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Speaker 1: bean Pot Take a listen. I think it's funny and

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Speaker 1: when you add a little bit of money to a

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Speaker 1: sport and you give some girls attention what they can

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Speaker 1: out of our book.

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Speaker 2: And really put some more time and effort into women's everything.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Lily, Yes. In college hoops, there's a critical top

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Speaker 1: five clash between number five LSU and number two South

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Speaker 1: Carolina tonight at Colonial Life Arena, a battle of the

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Speaker 1: last two NCAA champs and two of the coaches with

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Speaker 1: the most green in the game. That game tips off

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Speaker 1: at five pm Eastern. We'll have more on the matchup

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Speaker 1: and the fit off between Don Staley and Kim Mulkey

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Speaker 1: later in the show. In Pro Hoops, Unrivaled got a

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Speaker 1: double header tonight action tipping off at seven to fifteen

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Speaker 1: pm Eastern with my Phantom BC facing mist BC. Still

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Speaker 1: looking for our first stub. Come on Ghost Gang. Then

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Speaker 1: it's a battle of two and OHO teams, the Laces

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Speaker 1: BC playing Vinyl BC at eight to fifteen pm Eastern

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Speaker 1: or whenever that first game ends. You can catch those

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Speaker 1: matchups live on TNT and streaming on Max. There are

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Speaker 1: two other Unrivaled games on Saturday as well, so check

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Speaker 1: the schedule link in our show notes. Elsewhere in Pro

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Speaker 1: Hoops WNBA, Star Sawtu Sobly has inked a deal with

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Speaker 1: Adidas after four years with Jordan brand Shall now rep

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Speaker 1: the Three Stripes alongside players like Eliah Boston, Chelsea Gray

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Speaker 1: and Cheneyan neck Ogoom Mackay some more WNBA. The Atlanta

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Speaker 1: Dreams sold out all their season tickets for the second

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Speaker 1: season in a row four months before the start of

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty five season. They've also sold out four

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Speaker 1: home games so far, two matchups with the Chicago Sky

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Speaker 1: and one apiece with the Fever and Aces. If you're

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Speaker 1: hoping to catch a game A limited number of single

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Speaker 1: game tickets for the rest of the twenty twenty five

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Speaker 1: Dream Season will go on sale in February. We'll link

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Speaker 1: to where you can get yours in our show notes

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Speaker 1: to Tennis. The Australian Open final is set. Top ranked

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Speaker 1: Arena Sablenka and world number nineteen Madison Keys will play

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Speaker 1: be her first title at a Grand Slam tournament. If

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Speaker 1: you're wondering, The Australian Open is called a Grand Slam

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Speaker 1: calendar year. Meanwhile, Sabalank is chasing her third straight Australian

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Speaker 1: Open title. The last time these two met in a

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Speaker 1: Sabalanka won that match in three sets. We've got pro

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Speaker 1: vibes happening tonight too. Love Madison plays Love Omaha at

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Speaker 1: eight pm Eastern. That one will stream live on ESPN

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Speaker 1: Plus and over in the PVF the Omaha Supernova's take

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Speaker 1: on the Columbus Fury at seven pm Eastern, streaming on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: That'll be followed by the India IG Night against the

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Speaker 1: San Diego Mojo at ten fifteen Eastern on Volleyball World TV.

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Speaker 1: notes to Lacrosse aka the Lax to our Vibes. On Thursday,

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Speaker 1: League after the cosmetics company stepped in as a title sponsor.

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Speaker 1: The league also announced its inaugural rosters for its upcoming

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Speaker 1: Naomi Germa to Chelsea News. So as of this taping,

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Speaker 1: really great question from a slice about Gurma's historic transfer fee.

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Speaker 1: a whole lot of hoops, and we want to start

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Speaker 1: with WNBA free agency. Now, this is none of our

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Speaker 3: I am learning all this stuff, but as I understand it,

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Speaker 1: Two fascinating things that you made me think of, Alex.

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Speaker 1: to think about. Also interesting to think about as this

433
00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,600
Speaker 1: free agency in the WNBA is happening for the first

434
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Speaker 1: time ever. Most of the best players in the league

435
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,760
Speaker 1: are all hanging out together in Miami, or, as I

436
00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,520
Speaker 1: called it on a previous show, Tampa Bay. It's not

437
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,800
Speaker 1: actually Tampa Bay, but I called it Tampa bay because

438
00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:30,080
Speaker 1: for those not familiar, tampering is when you go chasing

439
00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:34,680
Speaker 1: after someone on another team that is technically under the

440
00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:39,240
Speaker 1: rights of someone else. So in say the WNBA before

441
00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 1: the free agency period is open. In theory, you can't

442
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,400
Speaker 1: be calling up players if you're the president of one

443
00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,679
Speaker 1: team and saying wouldn't you rather play for us? You

444
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:48,239
Speaker 1: have to wait for the window to open and then

445
00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,639
Speaker 1: the negotiations. And there are some rules to this, but Alex,

446
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,120
Speaker 1: you did the research. None of them are actually publicly

447
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,399
Speaker 1: available right on WNBA tampering.

448
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Speaker 5: Yeah, as far as I can find, and I searched

449
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,159
Speaker 5: a lot of keywords Tampa persuading.

450
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:05,640
Speaker 1: Decided Alex read the whole damn CBA looking for this.

451
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:07,639
Speaker 5: I really did you know how much I love a

452
00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:11,440
Speaker 5: good PDF and a control f function, And I couldn't

453
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Speaker 5: find the exact rule, And that surprised me because we

454
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,960
Speaker 5: do know that the WNBA has previously fine teams for

455
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 5: tampering violations. There was a pretty funny one a couple

456
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,679
Speaker 5: of years ago when the Seattle Storm got fined for

457
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:28,440
Speaker 5: tampering for tweeting about Sue Byrd returning to the city.

458
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,240
Speaker 5: Even though everyone and their mama knew that Suta ways

459
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,240
Speaker 5: returning to Seattle. They did not wait for the deadline

460
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Speaker 5: to actually announce it.

461
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Speaker 1: You got to do what every other league does, where

462
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,359
Speaker 1: you leak it to a reporter and then they post it,

463
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,080
Speaker 1: and then everyone goes so much for tampering because it

464
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 1: comes out before the window ends. But everyone knows that's

465
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Speaker 1: how it works. You just can't do it if you're

466
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Speaker 1: the team.

467
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Speaker 5: Itself, exactly exactly. If you're the social media manager, you

468
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 5: better be real, real careful here. And so we know

469
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Speaker 5: that the WNBA has these rules. I'm pretty sure the

470
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 5: players have to be made aware of them based on

471
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Speaker 5: things that players have previous said, But we're not totally

472
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 5: sure where that line is of what is considered persuading

473
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,440
Speaker 5: somebody or just having a nice conversation and telling them

474
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,400
Speaker 5: how good life is in New York.

475
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Speaker 1: Let's say I'm gonna do some research on this. I'm

476
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:14,920
Speaker 1: going to reach out to my contacts and see if

477
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 1: somebody can provide us in black and white what the

478
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 1: actual tampering rules are. But for the purposes of this discussion,

479
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,199
Speaker 1: all you need to know is that tampering exists. You

480
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 1: can get in trouble. If you're any member of an organization, coach, player,

481
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,879
Speaker 1: executive owner, if you're trying to talk to a player

482
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,680
Speaker 1: on another team and lure them into joining your team,

483
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 1: I don't know me if they've got the saunas bugged

484
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 1: and the cold baths miked up, and you could tell

485
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,160
Speaker 1: which people are talking to the right people and who's

486
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 1: crossing the lines and who's doing it right. All I

487
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,959
Speaker 1: know is that it's a wild experiment to have essentially

488
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 1: thirty six of the best players in one place right

489
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 1: when all of this is going down.

490
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's chaotic, But at the same time, I think

491
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,919
Speaker 3: this is something that could save a lot of people,

492
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,879
Speaker 3: a lot of time and a lot of energy, a

493
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,439
Speaker 3: whole lot of money. Because think about how many stories,

494
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 3: not just in the WNBA, but in other professional leagues

495
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,239
Speaker 3: we've heard about, Oh, yeah, we're gonna put so and

496
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 3: so and so and so together, and we're gonna have

497
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 3: the best team in the league, and so and so

498
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 3: and so and so end up not liking each other

499
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 3: at all.

500
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 1: Their personalities don't mesh.

501
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,199
Speaker 3: And these are things that when you're just calling up

502
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 3: people or you're not actually spending extended periods of time

503
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,639
Speaker 3: with people you can't really tell how you vibe and

504
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 3: then not to mention unrivaled is giving players on opposite

505
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 3: in different teams the opportunity to learn how they train,

506
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 3: learn how you lead and practice, learn what your communication

507
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 3: style is, like all these very integral, kind of intangible

508
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 3: things that matter to players who want to be teammates

509
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 3: and excel at.

510
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 1: An elite level in the WNBA. So who knows such

511
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 1: a smart point? Like, it's like a trial run, m

512
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 1: it's like a little four you're actually committing. And to

513
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 1: your point, like, not only do we sometimes put players

514
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 1: together and it turns out to hate each other, we

515
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: often have the reverse where we're like, oh, we can't

516
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 1: believe that trade happened their enemy is and then they

517
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 1: show up and they're the besties and we're like, well,

518
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:04,879
Speaker 1: we read that one wrong. It turned out you know,

519
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,920
Speaker 1: they're a fit when they're on the same team. Alex,

520
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 1: what do you make of this, particularly in the sense

521
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 1: of players being able to actually be honest with each

522
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,159
Speaker 1: other about how their experience is at the team that

523
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: they're on.

524
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm super curious about what those kind of behind

525
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 5: the scenes conversations look like. And I'm also super curious.

526
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 5: I don't know, you're in the locker room and your

527
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,679
Speaker 5: teammate's phone buzzes and you see b Hammon appear on

528
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 5: the screen. It's like, Ooh, what's going on over there.

529
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 5: So I think the fact that they're all in the

530
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 5: same place while these conversations go down is pretty interesting.

531
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Speaker 5: But I also think it's fascinating because WNBA players have historically,

532
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 5: especially compared to other athletes and women's sports, have had

533
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:47,679
Speaker 5: salary transparency where they know, because of databases that exist,

534
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 5: how much anyone on any given team is making per year.

535
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,679
Speaker 5: And I think that's a really important thing. You know,

536
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 5: in jobs that include people of all genders, one of

537
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 5: the things that is known to help close the wage

538
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 5: gap is having salary transparency, because if you know that

539
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 5: your coworker who does have as much work as you

540
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 5: is making twenty thousand dollars more a year, you are

541
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 5: way more likely to go to your boss and demand

542
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 5: a promotion. And so I think when we see it

543
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 5: in the WNBA, you can kind of pull up your stats,

544
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 5: or your agent could do it on your behalf and say, hey,

545
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:23,439
Speaker 5: look at how much I contributed this year. I deserve

546
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 5: this much money, and so I'm also curious, like how

547
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:28,439
Speaker 5: much players are helping.

548
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: I don't know.

549
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 5: I think the friends that I have in my own

550
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 5: professional life who say, hey, you're worth Moore, and so

551
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 5: I think when you're able to be in an environment

552
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 5: with the best players in the world, I'm curious what

553
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 5: those kind of behind the scenes conversations sound like and

554
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 5: look like.

555
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 1: I finally just got a chance to watch the Off Season,

556
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: which is the reality show that Midge Purse executive produced

557
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 1: and put together, and it ran on Twitter slash x.

558
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 1: You can go watch it. It's really enjoyable. It was

559
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: really fun to get to know a lot of the players.

560
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 1: But low Labanta is on their complain most of the show,

561
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: and I think she very wisely used it as like

562
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: a propaganda arm for her to complain about how she's

563
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 1: been underpaid her entire career, particularly because at the time,

564
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 1: the highest played player in NWSL history, Maria Sanchez, was

565
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 1: also there and she walked in right after that deal

566
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,919
Speaker 1: talking about buying a house for herself, and Lowe's like, damn,

567
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: and my salary sucks. But while she's at the dinner table,

568
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 1: they're asking her like, who's your agent, and she's like,

569
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: I don't have an agent. I've been raw dogging it

570
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: the full time, which is debrais that she actually used.

571
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: And then at the end of the show there's those

572
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: little codas about how everyone's doing it. It's like low

573
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 1: got an agent and she's getting paid and it's like, yeah, duh.

574
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: It's like everybody there was like what are you doing?

575
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 1: Like get you deserve more? And I feel like that's

576
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 1: one thousand percent what's happening here. You mentioned Sachiusabli so

577
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: Sue Bird on a Touch More Suebirds podcast with Meghan

578
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: Rapino basically said she could not imagine the kind of

579
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 1: chats that were going down at Unrivaled and Megan was like, yeah,

580
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 1: I'd be buying Sato some coffee, Like you know, everybody's

581
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: going after the most highly sought after people. After Satu

582
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: said she didn't want to be with the Wings anymore.

583
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 1: You know, she's looking to go somewhere else, and Satu

584
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 1: told Front Office Sports, it's true, you're able to talk

585
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 1: to other players directly and you could figure out what

586
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 1: do they have, what type of resources, how important is

587
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: their team to the owners. If you have an owner

588
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: of a team that doesn't prioritize the women's team. They're

589
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: going to talk about it, and that's a place where

590
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: I would less likely like to go. And I've received

591
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: a couple of coffees. I'm allowed, I'm allowed. End quote.

592
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: I don't know if she is allowed because we don't

593
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 1: have the actual tampering rule. You can't share no beans, right.

594
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: Is it like the NCAA where it's like you can

595
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: have a bagel, but you got that cream cheese on it,

596
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: and now you're in violation. Like either way, it's pretty

597
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: fascinating to think about what's going down and which of

598
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: these conversations might result in players even if it's not

599
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: right now, Maybe it's a year later when their contract

600
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: is up and they are a free agent. Maybe it's

601
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: that slow build toward a super team. Sup Bird said.

602
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: Usually these conversations would happen during Team USA camps. That

603
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 1: was one of the only time that a lot of

604
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: these great players would get together and think about the

605
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: relationships that you form and how fun would it be

606
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: for Stooja to be doing this, you know, during the

607
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: regular season too, like that kind of thing.

608
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting. All I'm saying is SA too low.

609
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 3: If you want to come on the show and tell

610
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 3: us all about our experiences in the journey.

611
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: Come on down. We would love to have you. So

612
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: you want them to Satu in particular, incriminate herself. Name

613
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: all the people who have bought the coffees. Get them

614
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: all fine for tampering.

615
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 3: No, just use us, use us as a vessel to

616
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 3: make your desires known.

617
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: Before mentioned propaganda arm could be us. We can be

618
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: propaganda pinky. That's us. Oh my god. Yeah. Fascinating, very

619
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: very fascinating. And to the point we've made the opposite

620
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: might be true to you. Get down there, You're so

621
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: excited to play with someone you love their game from afar,

622
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: and then you're like, absolutely not. Actually you're a term right.

623
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: It's like when people move in together and then the

624
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,479
Speaker 1: lake up comes pretty quick after and they're like, no, no,

625
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: you just never was familiar with your game and I

626
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 1: do not want a part of it. Yeah, okay, speaking

627
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: of hoops, we got one last thing I wanted to

628
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: touch on in meiche particular. I want to get your

629
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: take on this. We've got a huge matchup tonight, Number

630
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: five LSU taken on number two South Carolina. The last

631
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: three NCAA titles have been won by one of these

632
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: two teams. We've got the two big dogs in the

633
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: coaching game. Obviously there's Gino and there's others, But like

634
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: Kim Malkey was getting the biggest bag, they have Kim

635
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: Malkey look alike contests at the games. Her fit is

636
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: always something to talk about. It's a great way and

637
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: then thank you. And then there's Don Staley, who just

638
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: recently passed Kim Malky with the biggest bag, also a

639
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: fit to talk about for entirely different reasons. And this

640
00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: is like one of those games you've got circled on

641
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: calendar at the beginning of the season, and it has

642
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: only gotten more interesting as we've gotten closer to it.

643
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: So what's the big thing that you're looking for?

644
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 3: I mean, I think this is probably going to be

645
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,959
Speaker 3: the game of the year, Like I'm just gonna put

646
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 3: it out there. I do think it's the game of

647
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 3: the year. The thing I'm most looking forward to, though,

648
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Speaker 3: is this matchup between LSU senior Anissa Morro and South

649
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Speaker 3: Carolina freshman Joyce Edwards, who's currently leading them and scoring.

650
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Speaker 3: Anissa Morrow is like a double double machine and Joyce

651
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Speaker 3: is just one of those players. You think three years

652
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Speaker 3: from now, she's going to be terrifying. I wouldn't even

653
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Speaker 3: want to suit up against her if I was still

654
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Speaker 3: in college, Like she's musty TV. If people like physicality

655
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Speaker 3: in the post, you're welcome. This is gonna give you

656
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Speaker 3: everything you need. And then the other kind of personnel

657
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Speaker 3: battle I'm looking at is LSU's you know, Flaje Johnson

658
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Speaker 3: and Mikayela Williams versus South Carolina's Raven Johnson and Malesia

659
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Speaker 3: full Wiley. That is going to be straight up highlight

660
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Speaker 3: reel and one mixtape type shit. Like my heart rate

661
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Speaker 3: is going up just thinking about it right now. But

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Speaker 3: both teams also have like X factors up and down

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Speaker 3: the roster, so you really just don't know who's going

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Speaker 3: to explode, who's going to have a big game.

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Speaker 1: But those are the two personnel matchups that I've got

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Speaker 1: my eye. Yeah, and you have to imagine that when

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Speaker 1: you've got someone on the other side that you know

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Speaker 1: is putting up those highlight reel moves, you might be

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Speaker 1: a little bit more interested in making sure you put

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Speaker 1: up one of your own in this game. You're not

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Speaker 1: letting the sc top tens well, the other squad. We

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Speaker 1: going bar for bar. We're going to play for play,

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Speaker 1: just like that. And I also think, to state the obvious,

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Speaker 1: there are a lot of folks who love Kim Molke.

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Speaker 1: I would say most folks agree. She's a tremendous basketball coach.

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Speaker 1: She has been able to get a lot out of players.

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Speaker 1: She turned around this LSU program when she arrived. And

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Speaker 1: there's also a lot of folks that aren't a fan

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Speaker 1: of a variety of things that she has done and

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Speaker 1: said in the past. Correct held up against Don Staley.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, who I almost never hear a bad word

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Speaker 1: about You find me someone saying a bad word about

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Speaker 1: Don Staley. I would like to talk to them out

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Speaker 1: of curiosity. Maybe they have a good reason to, but

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Speaker 1: you don't hear it. She stands for so much. The

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Speaker 1: players love her, the game loves her. It is such

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Speaker 1: a distinct I almost said black and white.

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Speaker 4: I mean such a distinct difference that it almost feels

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Speaker 4: like rooting for a side beyond basketball, which is hard

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Speaker 4: because there are LSU players that I really love their game.

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Speaker 1: I'm friends with Lage. She's awesome. She was a real

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Speaker 1: fun hang in France. I want her to succeed. But man,

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Speaker 1: I really struggle to see good things happening for gim.

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Speaker 3: And it's tough for things to be like framed that

695
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Speaker 3: way too, because it's it's not unique, right like this

696
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Speaker 3: is we've talked about Gino as much as we talk

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Speaker 3: about about the players on Yukon's roster. We've taught like

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Speaker 3: that's just kind of how it goes.

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Speaker 1: But what do you mean by that?

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Speaker 3: I mean I wish that I want our coaches in

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Speaker 3: the college ranks to have personalities, to be people that

702
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Speaker 3: bring casual fans or fans from the schools in, but

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Speaker 3: I don't want them to overshadow the players who are

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Speaker 3: on the team, basically the same thing that you're saying, Like,

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Speaker 3: I wish there was a way too.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to separate.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I wish there was a way to separate it

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Speaker 3: out because those LSU players, they're not the ones who

709
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 3: said all that shit about Brinick, Like that's not on them.

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Speaker 3: So it's just tough. But yeah, I can't wait to

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Speaker 3: see what they show up to the arena in I

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Speaker 3: know Kim, I can't.

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Speaker 2: I can't think of who tweeted it, but when she

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Speaker 2: had the basketball basket, outfit on somebody tweeted and quoted

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Speaker 2: a picture of her and was like, anybody who runs

716
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Speaker 2: into Kim today is getting called.

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Speaker 1: For basket interference. Yep, And I thought I was gonna

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Speaker 1: pass laughing at that. But we are definitely putting a

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Speaker 1: link to that particular outfit in the show notes. If

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Speaker 1: you search Kim Malkey's name, you're going to get a

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Speaker 1: lot of images that come back that explain a lot

722
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Speaker 1: of things about what we're talking about with Kim Malki's fits.

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Speaker 1: But the basketball one, I don't know. It was in

724
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Speaker 1: a universe of its own for a variety of reasons.

725
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Speaker 1: I want you to know. And I don't know if

726
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Speaker 1: by the time this comes around, I'll still feel so compelled.

727
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Speaker 1: But I saved in my Google calendar at the beginning

728
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Speaker 1: of October Halloween slash Kim Malky question mark to potentially

729
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Speaker 1: dress as a basketball hoop because that outfit was so

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Speaker 1: offensive to me in every possible way. WHOA, Alex, what

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Speaker 1: are you watching for this one? Man?

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Speaker 5: Well, I want to go back to one thing that

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Speaker 5: you are just talking about when it comes to the

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Speaker 5: juxtaposition of Kim Milk and Don Staley, and I will

735
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Speaker 5: never not think about how they both handled Britney Griner

736
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Speaker 5: being detained in Russia so differently, the context here being,

737
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Speaker 5: of course, that Malki was Griner's coach when she was

738
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Speaker 5: at Baylor and said absolutely nothing, and don Staley going

739
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Speaker 5: out of her way time and time again to make

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Speaker 5: sure that Britney Griner was front and center when they

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Speaker 5: needed her name to be, you know, in.

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Speaker 1: Heaven once they decided it should be.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And so I can never not think about that

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Speaker 5: with the juxtaposition of them, Sarah. I also want to

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00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 5: go back to something that you said that you know,

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Speaker 5: everyone agrees that she's a great basketball coach, and I agree,

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Speaker 5: but I think that the word college basketball coach needs

748
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Speaker 5: to be put in there somewhere in the sense that

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Speaker 5: I think one thing that we have seen time and

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Speaker 5: time again is that Don Staley knows how to prepare

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Speaker 5: her players for what comes after college in a way

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Speaker 5: that I don't think we've seen quite as much from

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Speaker 5: Kim Malki. Are there exceptions to that?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely.

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Speaker 5: You have an Angel Reese, who, you know, until she

756
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 5: got injured this year, was making a name for herself

757
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 5: potentially as a Rookie of the Year candidate. So I

758
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 5: just think that that's something I've heard though, is that

759
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 5: she's great when you're in college, but beyond that, it's

760
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 5: not always a coaching philosophy that translates to the pro game.

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Speaker 1: Right, And I should say x's and o's because again,

762
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Speaker 1: I don't know when I say coach if that means

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Speaker 1: everything that comes with being a coach, because I bet

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Speaker 1: you Brittany and others might disagree with the experience that

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Speaker 1: they had, but it has been interesting to talk to

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Speaker 1: some LSU players about the loyalty that they have to Kim.

767
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Speaker 1: How many players do come out of that program and feel,

768
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Speaker 1: you know, they revere her and they and they love

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Speaker 1: the experience that they had. So it's all very personal. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we'll leave it at that.

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Speaker 3: While we're on the topic of coaches, I think it's

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Speaker 3: really important that this matchup is coming right on the

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Speaker 3: heels of We Back Pat Week, so folks who don't know,

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Speaker 3: We Backpat is an initiative to amplify the work of

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Speaker 3: the Pat Some Foundation, which is helping to fight against Alzheimer's,

776
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Speaker 3: and every year at We Backpat Week, I'm reminded that

777
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 3: Pat would probably have so much to say about this

778
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 3: specific era of basketball, like on so many levels, specifically

779
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 3: about Kim and Dawn and what they've done with their

780
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 3: respective per I mean, we're talking about two teams that

781
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Speaker 3: are undefeated at SEC play a conference that's got seven

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Speaker 3: teams in the top twenty five. I just want to

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Speaker 3: shine some light and say wow to the SEC as

784
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Speaker 3: a whole. But these two teams that are at the

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Speaker 3: top of the standings. I cannot wait for this game

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Speaker 3: to tip off.

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Speaker 1: Like we said, number five Olus through number two South Carolina.

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Speaker 1: That's five pm Eastern tonight and you can watch it

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Speaker 1: on ESPN. This game was moved, remember because of the weather,

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Speaker 1: but you can still catch it on ESPN. Okay, we

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Speaker 1: got to take a quick break. When we come back.

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Speaker 1: Research shows that the save women's sports crowd is actually

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Speaker 1: more interested in keeping women down. We'll get into it next.

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Speaker 1: want to quote save women's sports by excluding transfolks usually

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