Speaker 1: If the people who want to silence me know my name,
Speaker 1: I need the people who will protect black.
Speaker 2: Women to know my name too.
Speaker 3: There are no girls on the Internet. As a production
Speaker 3: of iHeartRadio and Unbossed Creative, I'm Bridget Todd and this
Speaker 3: is there are no girls on the Internet. The video
Speaker 3: is hard to watch.
Speaker 2: That gives you that I have to call the child
Speaker 2: five years old and the nward that's what you're gonna call.
Speaker 3: Him At a white woman in Minnesota, Shiloh Hendrix was
Speaker 3: caught on camera in the aftermath of hurling a racial
Speaker 3: slur at a black child on a playground. What happened
Speaker 3: next is even more upsetting. Shiloh Hendrix launched a crowdfunding
Speaker 3: campaign on the Christian platform give Sengo. I called the
Speaker 3: kid out for what he was, she wrote in her plea.
Speaker 3: As of today, Shiloh Hendrix has raised over seven hundred
Speaker 3: thousand dollars. She's just the latest figure to be embraced
Speaker 3: as a right wing folk hero or anti hero, depending
Speaker 3: on who you ask, after a moment of very public,
Speaker 3: very ugly behavior, and once again the wagons are circling
Speaker 3: all in the name of fighting so called cancel culture.
Speaker 3: But what kind of society rewards racial slurs being hurled
Speaker 3: at children coming with a six figure payout, not one
Speaker 3: that Ca Andrea d'mone is fighting for. What about this situation?
Speaker 3: Spoke to you? Like, how did you first find out
Speaker 3: about this situation?
Speaker 1: So one of the things I do on my social
Speaker 1: media is I'm known for exposing racist people on the Internet.
Speaker 2: That's just kind of my niche.
Speaker 3: Ca Andrea is the black woman leading a growing movement
Speaker 3: to make sure Shiloh Hendrix never sees a dime of
Speaker 3: that money.
Speaker 1: It came to my attention because my follow were bringing
Speaker 1: it to me saying, Hey, here's somebody who you need
Speaker 1: to expose, here's somebody you need to target. They're like,
Speaker 1: ke Andrea, did you see this right? So I went
Speaker 1: and I checked out the video and I was just
Speaker 1: disgusted by it. I was so disgusted and it was
Speaker 1: so disheartening, like and originally it just made me sad,
Speaker 1: and I sat on it, like there were a few
Speaker 1: days that went by and people were like, Oh, I
Speaker 1: know you're about to drag her. I know you're about
Speaker 1: to drag her. As the story continued to grow, but
Speaker 1: I was so sad.
Speaker 2: I was just so sad. I was silent about it
Speaker 2: for a while.
Speaker 3: I know that silence. When this story first hit my feed,
Speaker 3: I froze. It was so upsetting. I couldn't even bring
Speaker 3: myself to click into it, not right away, because what
Speaker 3: was there to say? What could we do? Wasn't this
Speaker 3: just the state of the world now, a world where
Speaker 3: someone can shout a slur at a child, a baby
Speaker 3: and walk away with a huge payday. It didn't feel
Speaker 3: like there was much to be done other than ignoring
Speaker 3: it and kind of moving on in this moment. I
Speaker 3: have often found myself feeling sort of disempowered, like, well,
Speaker 3: what can we do? Like this is the norm, now,
Speaker 3: what can we do? But luckily you had a very
Speaker 3: different reaction. So what was it that made you be like,
Speaker 3: I am not going to like just sit in my
Speaker 3: sadness and feel disempowered. I am actually going to do something.
Speaker 3: What made you take that choice? Right?
Speaker 1: So, initially I was like you, I was choosing not
Speaker 1: to engage with it. I was I wouldn't share anything,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't comment on anything. I did not want to
Speaker 1: put her on my page because I felt like, okay,
Speaker 1: same old saying. You know, another racist person getting famous
Speaker 1: for being a racist. So originally I saw people outraged,
Speaker 1: but I felt like the outrage was really just amplifying her.
Speaker 1: And then she had the call to monetize it, and
Speaker 1: I'm just like, Okay, no, enough is enough, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, you have to draw the line
Speaker 1: at something.
Speaker 2: It's not enough that you did it.
Speaker 1: It's not enough that you are unapologetic and you've done
Speaker 1: it publicly.
Speaker 2: Now you want to make money off of it.
Speaker 3: An entrepreneur with a background and web development, and Andrea
Speaker 3: starts digging, searching for anything, something that could be the
Speaker 3: key to stopping this payment from going through.
Speaker 1: I was hoping to catch something that could potentially stop
Speaker 1: Giftsing Go from operating. So I thought about it and
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, even if I find something,
Speaker 1: cause I'm just down this rabbit hole on their website
Speaker 1: at this point. I'm like, even if I find something,
Speaker 1: they're just gonna fix it the minute it comes to
Speaker 1: their attention. They are gonna fix that same day, and
Speaker 1: then they're gonna be right back on the same bullshit.
Speaker 1: And so I started thinking, like where is the money at?
Speaker 1: Like we may not be able to stop them from operating.
Speaker 1: This website, but somebody somewhere has a bank, and in
Speaker 1: this country, banks do have policies. You can't just do
Speaker 1: what you want to when it comes to mind monetizing something.
Speaker 1: And that's what a lot of people don't understand. I
Speaker 1: have heard a lot of people arguing free speech, free speech.
Speaker 1: This is protected under free speech. Her actions are not
Speaker 1: protected under free speech once it is monetized, and that
Speaker 1: is two completely different things. Once you start making money
Speaker 1: and selling it, there are laws that you have to
Speaker 1: adhere to. And so I just started thinking about that
Speaker 1: and trying to find who is processing these payments for her.
Speaker 3: So I want to talk more about that. Can you
Speaker 3: tell us a bit about how you went through that
Speaker 3: process of like figuring out like oh, Square might be
Speaker 3: involved here, Like who was the payment processor?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I was again, I was on their website
Speaker 1: and I went to their checkout page and I'm trying
Speaker 1: to figure out who the payment processor was from the
Speaker 1: checkout page and it wasn't really clear like who it was, right,
Speaker 1: So I'm looking at the checkout page and then I think, hmmm,
Speaker 1: I know how to break down there, Like I remember
Speaker 1: this old dusty skill that I used.
Speaker 2: To use in your Go.
Speaker 1: If only someone were to break down the entire code
Speaker 1: of this website, then I could find what plugins are
Speaker 1: attached to it. And I knew that because when I
Speaker 1: had clients who would maybe have an issue with their checkout,
Speaker 1: or there's a bug on their site, it's lagging, whatever,
Speaker 1: We'll have to go and break that code down and find.
Speaker 2: Where the bug is or where the issue is.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: So that's something it was your second nature to do
Speaker 1: that because I did that as a job for so long,
Speaker 1: And so I started thinking, like, there's a plug in, right, this.
Speaker 2: Is an online website. Gifts and Go is not the bank.
Speaker 1: They're not that big of a platform, right, So I
Speaker 1: thought they have to have a third party payment processor,
Speaker 1: and that third party payment processor is going to be
Speaker 1: a plug in, and plug ins can be found in
Speaker 1: your HTML code.
Speaker 3: When you learned how to do this, you certainly weren't
Speaker 3: like one day I will be exclusing the payment processor
Speaker 3: for a racist. But the way that we develop skills
Speaker 3: and retain those skills that you never know how they're
Speaker 3: going to be useful like that is that's I mean,
Speaker 3: it's almost like you've updated the way that an earlier
Speaker 3: generation of activists and organizers were is like for the digital.
Speaker 1: Age, right absolutely, And that's something I've spoken with activists
Speaker 1: in my area now, like prominent activists in the area.
Speaker 1: And also I've connected with the local and national chapter
Speaker 1: of the NAACP, and that is one of the things
Speaker 1: that they not only commended me for, they're excited for
Speaker 1: me to step into this space and join and partner
Speaker 1: with their organization to bring Really I don't want to
Speaker 1: get I don't want to say, oh, we're bringing protesting
Speaker 1: to the digital age, because it's bigger than that. We
Speaker 1: are bringing an entire civil rights movement and merging it,
Speaker 1: fusing it with the digital age. Because social media is
Speaker 1: such a powerful tool right now, it's arguably one of
Speaker 1: the most powerful tools to sway the masses. So if
Speaker 1: you can use social media, you can really do anything.
Speaker 3: On this show, we talk a lot about changes to
Speaker 3: social media platforms, you know, threads, Facebook, Instagram, we can Twitter,
Speaker 3: slash ex as a whole or other thing. But like
Speaker 3: the changes that they've made, I would say specifically to
Speaker 3: keep marginalized people, so like black folks, women, from being
Speaker 3: able to use those platforms to organize. Like right now,
Speaker 3: if you talk about anything political on Instagram. You do
Speaker 3: like they've been explicit about this, they are suppressing that
Speaker 3: kind of content, and so honestly, your work and really
Speaker 3: trying to build this momentum on social media was one
Speaker 3: of the first organizing moments that I saw this year
Speaker 3: that really seemed to connect and take off. It was
Speaker 3: maybe this and the target boycotts, which have also been
Speaker 3: pretty successful. So one, I want to lift up the
Speaker 3: importance of being able to cut through on social media
Speaker 3: at all when these platforms have been so clear and
Speaker 3: explicit about trying to suppress exactly that kind of organizing content,
Speaker 3: like Mark Zuckerberg worked hard, but black women work harder.
Speaker 3: But also it kind of turned the tide a little
Speaker 3: bit because it's been a depressing year of what feels
Speaker 3: like great losses and I don't know, now I'm gonna
Speaker 3: feel like, Okay, maybe maybe we have this right, like
Speaker 3: determined skilled black women in tech knowing how to look
Speaker 3: at the code, like we might we might have gained
Speaker 3: a little more ground than I sort of was feeling
Speaker 3: at the beginning of the year. Did you know what
Speaker 3: I mean?
Speaker 1: I know exactly what you mean, And there's something in
Speaker 1: that that's so powerful and remembering who we are, because,
Speaker 1: like you said, we were in a space where everybody
Speaker 1: was said, everybody was defeated, and they want us to
Speaker 1: feel like that. They don't want us to know how
Speaker 1: capable we are. And one thing I love about this
Speaker 1: whole thing is I think it woke a lot of
Speaker 1: black women.
Speaker 2: Up to who they are.
Speaker 1: I've had other black women reach out and they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know how to code, but I do know
Speaker 1: law right, and the law says ABCDE right. So they're like, hmmm,
Speaker 1: I didn't I knew I had that skill, but I
Speaker 1: didn't know oh where I could apply it to And
Speaker 1: now I know how I can apply it to make
Speaker 1: a difference. We've had people reach out about taxes, accounting.
Speaker 1: They're like, you know, she has to report this, she
Speaker 1: has to report that, so.
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: And it's just been such an eye opening experience for
Speaker 1: a lot of people that once you have a plan
Speaker 1: and you decide, you know we are going to we're
Speaker 1: going to fight back. I'm not going to be defeated.
Speaker 1: I'm going to fight back. And I think that's the
Speaker 1: difference it made for a lot of people.
Speaker 3: So what is the current status of the donations today?
Speaker 1: So the status of the donations, the site is still operating.
Speaker 1: A lot of people get discouraged by that, but I
Speaker 1: want people to remember we are not targeting Give Seeing
Speaker 1: Go right, So the site is still operating. But the
Speaker 1: CEO of Give Seeing God made a statement publicly to
Speaker 1: the press and he said it in an interview that
Speaker 1: she has not cashed out to funds that have not
Speaker 1: been collected. She has to undergo a very rigorous verification process.
Speaker 1: And from my experience with these payment processors, anytime something
Speaker 1: is under investigation, I've done a lot of assuaging people
Speaker 1: and just assuring them it's going to be okay, because
Speaker 1: not everybody has.
Speaker 2: The experience I have.
Speaker 1: But if you've ever worked with a third third party
Speaker 1: payment process or be a striped square PayPal, if there's
Speaker 1: an investigation open, they are going to protect themselves as
Speaker 1: a company to freeze those funds.
Speaker 2: So let's use our deductive reasoning here.
Speaker 1: Even though they didn't explicitly and probably can't explicitly say
Speaker 1: we're not paying her, they he confirmed he has not
Speaker 1: paid it out. And from my experience with these payment processors,
Speaker 1: any sort of investigation will freeze your funds. So the
Speaker 1: funds as of now, my understanding is it's sitting in
Speaker 1: limbo and we are pressing these payment processors not to
Speaker 1: pay it out to her.
Speaker 3: Let's take a quick break at our back. As of
Speaker 3: this recording, the funds have still not been released. Shiloh
Speaker 3: has yet to receive her nearly one million dollars. The
Speaker 3: CFO of sen Give Go, Joshua Wells, defended Hendrix.
Speaker 1: When you start going down the road of cancelation and
Speaker 1: cancel culture, it actually breeds the very things that we
Speaker 1: say that we're against.
Speaker 3: So there's the difference between cancel culture and canceling someone
Speaker 3: and and give and giving them a platform to raise
Speaker 3: a million dollars. I mean that there's a difference.
Speaker 1: No, that's there. No, No, it's not.
Speaker 3: It's actually the same exact thing, saying. The company's mission
Speaker 3: is to show the power of Jesus's light in dark times.
Speaker 3: Shiloh is going through a dark moment just as much
Speaker 3: as his other family is, and we want to be
Speaker 3: a light on all of these moments. He said. But
Speaker 3: even if the funds are released, Candrea has a plan.
Speaker 2: So here is the plant.
Speaker 1: Now, if they continue to collect the funds unless say,
Speaker 1: worst case scenario, she does receive that payout. Her collecting
Speaker 1: those funds and monetizing hate speech is against all of
Speaker 1: their policy, whether it's PayPal square, I don't give them anymore.
Speaker 1: Who she attaches that campaign to any bank in this
Speaker 1: country that I know of, if they pay her those funds,
Speaker 1: they have violated that policy. And so what we're going
Speaker 1: to do is get other people involved, because there are
Speaker 1: so many people, myself included, who have utilized these payment processors,
Speaker 1: and we have had our funds frozen, we have had
Speaker 1: our accounts closed, we have had financial delays, we have
Speaker 1: had hardships to our life and businesses, all in the
Speaker 1: name of this policy. So we have to adhere to
Speaker 1: this strict policy and we have to bear the consequences.
Speaker 1: But you're willing to make an exception for racism and
Speaker 1: white supremacy. So if they choose that, then that's them.
Speaker 1: But we do have a battle strategy and we have
Speaker 1: a game plan, and that plan is to collect signatures
Speaker 1: and to have people create a paper trail.
Speaker 2: So keep following those reports.
Speaker 1: Docus meant everything that happened to you and the widespread
Speaker 1: harm it has caused, and we are gearing up to
Speaker 1: sue them in a class action lawsuit if they paid
Speaker 1: that out, and we have attorneys willing to get involved
Speaker 1: as well, volunteering pro bono if they paid that money
Speaker 1: out to her, anybody who has ever ever been affected
Speaker 1: negatively by their company and that policy will have legal
Speaker 1: grounds for a lawsuit because in this country, you don't
Speaker 1: get to pick and choose who you apply your policy to,
Speaker 1: and you damn sure cannot make exceptions for racism.
Speaker 3: Wow, that is brilliant. We've done episodes on the show
Speaker 3: before about how payment processes, how payment processors will just
Speaker 3: freeze your funds and really not give you a lot
Speaker 3: of explanation. It's happened to me, It's happened to a
Speaker 3: lot of people, a lot of entrepreneurs, a lot of
Speaker 3: business owners, frankly, a lot of people at the margins
Speaker 3: who they I think they suspect are not really gonna
Speaker 3: push or really gonna fight. And so I love how
Speaker 3: you're organizing this of like, okay, so so if they
Speaker 3: say we can make this exception for someone who called
Speaker 3: a black child a slur, then like, why did I
Speaker 3: not get an exception as an entrepreneur.
Speaker 2: Where's my money?
Speaker 1: A right, and we're urging everybody to start asking d
Speaker 1: where's my money at? Not just the lawsuit. Let's hold
Speaker 1: them accountable. Hey, that money you froze indefinitely. If she
Speaker 1: can get hers, y'all need to run me mine too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, run me my money.
Speaker 2: Run it.
Speaker 3: When someone becomes a right wing folk hero online after
Speaker 3: a very public display of bad behavior, one of the
Speaker 3: first things they sometimes go looking for is a big payday,
Speaker 3: and that payday depends on digital infrastructure, crowdfunding platforms, payment processors,
Speaker 3: and more. But Keandrea isn't just trying to stop Shiloh
Speaker 3: Hendrix from cash again. Oh no, She's going after the
Speaker 3: entire ecosystem that makes it possible, the digital pipelines that
Speaker 3: let people like Shiloh turn hate into profit. So you
Speaker 3: are not just targeting any one payment process, You're also
Speaker 3: targeting cash, app after pay we believe title spiral and
Speaker 3: you say, if they're funding hate, they are fair game.
Speaker 3: How do you see all of these that's sort of connected.
Speaker 1: I see them as connected because it has become commonplace
Speaker 1: and it has been normalized to profit off of hate
Speaker 1: and racism.
Speaker 2: So whether it's Stripe, whether it's Square.
Speaker 1: We want to make an example out of them, and
Speaker 1: we want these companies to know they will be held accountable. Right,
Speaker 1: So the goal is and they've been scrambling. We've seen
Speaker 1: it happen in real time. It's been documented on my
Speaker 1: social media and in other places as well. They've been scrambling,
Speaker 1: trying to make excuses, trying to deny it. And now
Speaker 1: she is using a different payment processor right now, she's
Speaker 1: currently using Stripe, that the campaign is connected to Stripe now,
Speaker 1: but we want anybody involved to know, like, hey, I
Speaker 1: don't care if she switches to Stripe, PayPal, I don't.
Speaker 2: Care who she connects.
Speaker 1: You are getting your hands dirty by getting involved, and
Speaker 1: we will hold you accountable. So what we are aiming
Speaker 1: to do is to pretty much make her persona non
Speaker 1: graded right, this lump sum of money from gives saying go,
Speaker 1: if you pay it out, we are gonna cost you
Speaker 1: way more than that.
Speaker 3: It probably won't surprise you that Ca Andrea is facing
Speaker 3: a tax online for what she's doing. She says she's
Speaker 3: been duckst threatened even had her business is targeted to her.
Speaker 3: It kind of comes with the territory. But what stings.
Speaker 3: Even more is being erased from the very movement she's
Speaker 3: helping to build. She's expected to carry the weight of
Speaker 3: the work without even getting credit for it. People are
Speaker 3: attacking your your business, your work because of the organizing
Speaker 3: that you're doing around this, and so like it is
Speaker 3: not without cost what you are doing, like personal cost,
Speaker 3: personal stakes. And still I've seen people essentially like erase
Speaker 3: the labor that you're doing, Like the expectation is that
Speaker 3: you absorb all the all the cost and the risk
Speaker 3: and the docxing and threats associated with this work, but
Speaker 3: also get none of the shine. Is that how you
Speaker 3: felt it is?
Speaker 1: And to me, it wasn't even necessarily about shine, which
Speaker 1: I'm not apologizing for that. Yes, I want recognition and
Speaker 1: I want the accolades for my work regardless of what
Speaker 1: it is. You're not going to erase me from a
Speaker 1: narrative that I created in its entirety, especially when it
Speaker 1: is about racism like that's so it's it's so ironic
Speaker 1: that it infuriates me because they have pushed us to
Speaker 1: the background, and they have they're expecting our labor, labor,
Speaker 1: they are needing our labor, they are depending on our labor,
Speaker 1: but wanting to erase us from the narrative.
Speaker 2: And that is not leadership. That is exploitation.
Speaker 1: That is what has been happening since the beginning of
Speaker 1: our existence in this country. We're keeping everything running, we're
Speaker 1: holding everything together, we are literally building everything, but also
Speaker 1: being mistreated and disrespected and treated as less than people.
Speaker 2: And I don't like that. And one of the things
Speaker 2: that I'm adamant about.
Speaker 1: Is people say in my name, and it's not because
Speaker 1: you know, I want the cloud and I want some
Speaker 1: type of like.
Speaker 2: It's not I'm trying to be a star.
Speaker 1: The fact is, before this even blew up, those racist
Speaker 1: white supremacists, they knew my name. They knew exactly who
Speaker 1: did it and who were targeting. They started organizing and
Speaker 1: growing before we even did. Honestly, before this went viral,
Speaker 1: they were targeting me. So if the people who hate
Speaker 1: black women, if the people who want to silence me
Speaker 1: know my name, I need the people who will protect
Speaker 1: black women to know my name too, because it's not
Speaker 1: just the cost, it is the risk. That's why I
Speaker 1: was intentional about amplifying my name, because you can't just
Speaker 1: make Chy Andrea disappear now and nobody's gonna ask questions
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, is it has really been something the
Speaker 3: way people I mean, I've seen people straight up say
Speaker 3: like Candrea, I don't know her like this, like like
Speaker 3: and it's it's so silly and petty and stupid, like
Speaker 3: come on. But also people will straight like take credit
Speaker 3: for it, which I find really shocking because it's very
Speaker 3: clear who or who is the organizer of business. I just,
Speaker 3: I just I don't even really have a question. I've
Speaker 3: just been really surprised by how the quickness with which
Speaker 3: people will erase your name, erase your labor, erase your voice,
Speaker 3: even as something as small as like people tagging some
Speaker 3: of those big kind of like call out accounts. And
Speaker 3: it's like, do you think that I don't think. I
Speaker 3: don't look at you and think like, oh, you're someone
Speaker 3: who needs help doing this, You're someone who needs help
Speaker 3: calling out racial injustice. Like I feel like you're handling
Speaker 3: it quite well.
Speaker 1: No, I'm actually really incredible. I'm actually leading in that right.
Speaker 1: So whether or not they know me by numbers, whether
Speaker 1: or not there's a million people people here just watching
Speaker 1: the forty thousand that were there, Baby, they were engaged okay.
Speaker 1: The people who were there and have been there and
Speaker 1: have been supporting me, they know I'm no nonsense. They
Speaker 1: know the work that I do, and they support me completely,
Speaker 1: and it does make a difference. It makes an impact.
Speaker 1: There have been several times. That's one of the things
Speaker 1: I'm known for is running racist people off the internet.
Speaker 1: When somebody gets known for being blatantly racist, we will
Speaker 1: expose you and drag you, and then we will have
Speaker 1: a digital funeral and people will laugh about it and
Speaker 1: we will have fun. And it's so delicious because they
Speaker 1: deserve that. I personally condone bullying only when it's a
Speaker 1: racist person, because at this point they don't seem to
Speaker 1: be receptive of anything else. More.
Speaker 3: After a quick break, let's get right back into it.
Speaker 3: Story has been everywhere, blasted across social media, shared and
Speaker 3: be shared, but Ca Andrea's work, her organizing efforts, have
Speaker 3: gotten far less attention, and to her, that speaks to
Speaker 3: a deeper problem, a problem with how stories driven by
Speaker 3: outrage and emotions tend to play out online. We started
Speaker 3: this conversation talking about seeing the whole Shiloh Hendrix story
Speaker 3: everywhere online, and it really a lot of ink online
Speaker 3: has been dedicated to this woman and what she did,
Speaker 3: something that you said, you said. Aside from this particular situation,
Speaker 3: I feel that if you share news that insights extreme
Speaker 3: outrage and emotion in people, like racism, does you have
Speaker 3: a responsibility to follow up and give updates regarding a
Speaker 3: possible solution. And that really stuck with me because they're
Speaker 3: for all. If for every news outlet that covered what happened,
Speaker 3: far less of them are covering your organizing effort, And like,
Speaker 3: what's happening now? How do you how would you want
Speaker 3: this story to be covered in a way that really
Speaker 3: tells the full story.
Speaker 1: That's a great question because I just had an experience
Speaker 1: today with a black news outlet, a black news outlet
Speaker 1: that covered this story and they have a large following,
Speaker 1: and the bias in that article was so insane, right,
Speaker 1: And this is what stuck with me and what bothered
Speaker 1: me when I read this article. It presented the narrative
Speaker 1: as if oh, key Andrea tried, but she was still
Speaker 1: unable to stop them, and she's been receiving death threats
Speaker 1: and this fighting them back is taking a toll. Right,
Speaker 1: They positioned me as defeated and positioned her as.
Speaker 2: The hero, and that is not the reality.
Speaker 1: The reality is right now, in our plan of action,
Speaker 1: we have accomplished our first goal.
Speaker 2: She has not received that payout. We have not been defeated.
Speaker 1: And regardless of what the outcome is, I have been
Speaker 1: showing up day in and day out, online and offline.
Speaker 1: At this point, I have been showing up and I
Speaker 1: have been fighting this tire carelessly. Right, So when people
Speaker 1: are telling this story, it's not even about mentioning my name.
Speaker 1: I want you to say we are fighting back. We
Speaker 1: are fighting back, and we will hold them accountable. And
Speaker 1: that's one of the reasons why you mentioned earlier. So
Speaker 1: I wanted to circle back to that. You mentioned how
Speaker 1: these platforms suppress us. Right, this story was viral for
Speaker 1: days on another platform. It was unfolding for days before
Speaker 1: a lot of these bigger platforms even picked it up.
Speaker 1: Before a lot of like Instagram, that literally just happened
Speaker 1: like yesterday. Nobody on Instagram even knew what was going on.
Speaker 1: And I appreciate the people who support me and the
Speaker 1: people who tagged me because it was word of mouth.
Speaker 1: What I know for a fact is word of mouth,
Speaker 1: aside from technology, word of mouth is still the best
Speaker 1: form of marketing, right. So there were so many people saying, Hey,
Speaker 1: you have to check out ca Andrea, you have to
Speaker 1: check out Candre, you have to go and look at
Speaker 1: what k Andrea is doing. It got to the point
Speaker 1: where on the Internet, from what I saw, you could
Speaker 1: not mention this case. You could not mention Shiloh Hendrix,
Speaker 1: you couldn't mention what was going on without people tagging me.
Speaker 1: And I wanted that because it brought the traffic to
Speaker 1: the solution, right, and it brought the traffic to the
Speaker 1: people who were actually fighting back.
Speaker 2: I didn't like that. I think that a lot of the.
Speaker 1: Time in the media in general, and content creators, if
Speaker 1: I'm being honest, even some of these larger accounts, they
Speaker 1: want the views and they want to feel like they
Speaker 1: want to do enough to say I was engaged enough
Speaker 1: to talk about it so that they could get the views,
Speaker 1: but they're not really doing the necessary like journalism that
Speaker 1: should be involved, which content creators aren't journalists. So that's understandable,
Speaker 1: but I think that's across the board. If you're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about it, talk about the solution. If you don't
Speaker 1: talk about the solution, let me say that because I
Speaker 1: want to make that clear. If you tell this story
Speaker 1: and you don't tell that we're fighting back, that is intentional.
Speaker 2: We perceive that as intentional. That's not just me.
Speaker 1: My entire following this consensus is if you don't tell
Speaker 1: that we're fighting deck, if you intentionally minimize that or
Speaker 1: leave that out, you are making it very clear which
Speaker 1: side you're on. We are look at the say that
Speaker 1: the world, looking at the state of our country. There
Speaker 1: is no more strattle in defense. There is no more
Speaker 1: playing it safe in between. You have to pick one,
Speaker 1: and your silence will be taken as complicity.
Speaker 3: Why would anyone donate to Shiloh Hendrix in the first place.
Speaker 3: For some, at least based on the comments left on
Speaker 3: the crowdfunding campaign, it's pretty explicitly about race. Gibson Go
Speaker 3: eventually disabled the comments because so many of them were
Speaker 3: filled with outright racial slurs and references to Nazism. But
Speaker 3: it's not just about race. It's also about this perceived
Speaker 3: racial retribution. Back in April, some teenagers got into a
Speaker 3: fight at a swim meet. Austin Metcalfe, who is white,
Speaker 3: was killed. Carmelo Anthony, who was black, cooperated with police
Speaker 3: and claim to self defense. Still, he's now being charged
Speaker 3: with first degree murder. His family launched a crowdfunding campaign
Speaker 3: on gibson Go to raise money for his legal defense.
Speaker 3: Shiloh's story in Carmelo's story aren't really alike in any
Speaker 3: meaningful way, but that hasn't stopped some of the most
Speaker 3: toxic voices on the far right from drawing a false equivalence.
Speaker 3: White supremacist and Trump Dinner guest Nick fuent As posted quote,
Speaker 3: black people just raised five hundred thousand dollars for a
Speaker 3: cold blooded killer who stabbed a white teenager to death.
Speaker 3: So I don't want to hear one word about the
Speaker 3: Shiloh Hendricks fundraiser. Either everybody gets to be tribal or
Speaker 3: nobody does. They're saying, well, you know, black people raised
Speaker 3: all this money for him, this is the same. What
Speaker 3: do you say to people who feel that way?
Speaker 1: I usually don't say shit to them. I use black
Speaker 1: them immediately. But if you want to know my stance
Speaker 1: when it comes to that, I've had a few people
Speaker 1: me just fairly like, how do you feel about Carmelo?
Speaker 1: Like do you not feel like that's the same? And no,
Speaker 1: I don't feel like that's the same at all. One
Speaker 1: thing I know about this other side that we're fighting
Speaker 1: white supremacists or racist overall, One thing I know about
Speaker 1: them is how petty and childish they can be.
Speaker 2: They thrive off of that.
Speaker 1: There usually is no real logic behind the things that
Speaker 1: they're saying, Like if you were really a logical thinker,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't be a fucking white.
Speaker 2: Supremacist, you know.
Speaker 1: So a lot of the time it's just nonsense that
Speaker 1: they're spouting overall. So I don't engage in that. But
Speaker 1: anybody who is even on like supporting me, but wants
Speaker 1: to understand Carmelo and Austin were children. They were children,
Speaker 1: and that entire situation is a tragedy. If I'm being honest,
Speaker 1: I feel transparently that Austin I do feel if they
Speaker 1: attacked Carmelo, I do feel like that was wrong, and
Speaker 1: I think it's unfortunate.
Speaker 2: That it led to a lot of life.
Speaker 1: But I also do feel this, and this might not
Speaker 1: be something that everybody agrees with, but I do still
Speaker 1: feel like he was a kid. I do still feel
Speaker 1: like Austin was a kid, you know, and kids they
Speaker 1: fuck up sometimes, you know what I mean. So even
Speaker 1: though even if they were racists, even if they were
Speaker 1: targeting them, even if they were raised that way, I
Speaker 1: don't know. Whatever they did. They were kids, and kids
Speaker 1: fuck up. So anytime I see a child being hurt, period,
Speaker 1: my heart breaks. And in this case, two children were hurt.
Speaker 1: It wasn't just him, It wasn't just Austin. Austin lost
Speaker 1: his life and that's heartbreaking. But look at what this
Speaker 1: is doing to Carmelo. And if they attacked him, he
Speaker 1: didn't deserve that either. He doesn't deserve to be targeted.
Speaker 1: Does he had a right to defend hisself. It's unfortunately,
Speaker 1: it's unfortunate that it ended in a loss of life,
Speaker 1: but he had a right to defend hisself. That whole
Speaker 1: situation is unfortunate, and I can understand what even though
Speaker 1: I wouldn't donate to Austin's family, honestly, I can understand
Speaker 1: communities supporting the families on either side because this is
Speaker 1: a situation that just never should have happened to begin with.
Speaker 1: So many things could have been done differently, and both
Speaker 1: of those kids, unfortunately are victims. They're like two things
Speaker 1: can exist in the same space, And to me that
Speaker 1: was just heartbreaking because they were kids, and none of
Speaker 1: that should have happened. And I understand both sides wanting
Speaker 1: to support them because that whole situation was just sad
Speaker 1: and messed up.
Speaker 2: That is completely different then this, this person.
Speaker 1: That is completely different than a grown fucking woman attacking
Speaker 1: a child.
Speaker 2: Even with Carmelo.
Speaker 1: And Austin, these are two kids that at least were
Speaker 1: capable of speaking up and you know, advocating for themselves
Speaker 1: to some extent.
Speaker 2: This is a baby.
Speaker 1: She is targeting a baby that can't defend themselves, an
Speaker 1: autistic child that cannot defend themselves. Are an adult to
Speaker 1: attack and target a baby and use a racial slur
Speaker 1: and to profit off just doing it, like she didn't
Speaker 1: have any real need to raise any funds. Like people,
Speaker 1: if people are dotsing you, if people are targeting you,
Speaker 1: threatening you, that sometimes racism pisses people off. That is
Speaker 1: the consequences of your own action. So save the white
Speaker 1: woman tears, that is the consequences of you being racist.
Speaker 1: And that's not the same a tragedy and the consequences
Speaker 1: of her own actions are not the same at all.
Speaker 3: I think you put it so well, and I think, like,
Speaker 3: how is the world made better by having a world
Speaker 3: where there is a financial incentive to attacking a like
Speaker 3: a defenseless baby in public, like Who's life. And so
Speaker 3: these people who are like on her side are advocating
Speaker 3: for her. I would really love to ask them, there
Speaker 3: is that a better world, a world where somebody will
Speaker 3: attack a baby and get half over half a million
Speaker 3: dollars for that?
Speaker 2: Is that a better world for them?
Speaker 1: I'm sure for them, I think they want to put
Speaker 1: black people in our place, and they want to send
Speaker 1: a message that they support that and they will uphold
Speaker 1: their racist values. That's what it was about. It wasn't
Speaker 1: just about her. It is about them saying I saw
Speaker 1: comments that are saying the white race will rise, like
Speaker 1: they feel like they are dying breed, and that is
Speaker 1: in fact a dying ideology. White supremacy and that sort
Speaker 1: of racism, that's a dying ideology. It's way way more
Speaker 1: frowned upon than it used to be. So they feel
Speaker 1: like they're essentially a dying breed, and that was their
Speaker 1: attempt to send a message that they are going to
Speaker 1: uphold that.
Speaker 3: It's like the last gasps of something there. They feel,
Speaker 3: they feel this pendulum swinging back and they're like, no,
Speaker 3: we have to do all we can to get to
Speaker 3: get more ground.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're grasping, yes, Charles, for sure.
Speaker 3: And I was watching this Pierce Morgan's show. They did
Speaker 3: a panel on this with like four different panelists. There
Speaker 3: was a white panelist on the show who basically was
Speaker 3: like saying, the inWORD is free speech. She goes on
Speaker 3: to talk about how she calls black people the N
Speaker 3: word whenever she feels like it, whenever it's warranted, and
Speaker 3: I don't know, it made me wonder if we are
Speaker 3: going to a place where we're moving backward where people
Speaker 3: don't necessarily feel any kind of shame or issue with
Speaker 3: using a slur directed toward a baby in public. Do
Speaker 3: you think that this is like a last gasp or
Speaker 3: do you think we're moving toward a place where like,
Speaker 3: actually that's cool again, Like it's totally fine to use
Speaker 3: a salad of baby in public. Right.
Speaker 1: No, I don't believe that at all, because of all
Speaker 1: of the public outrage.
Speaker 2: She was terrible.
Speaker 1: She's just horrible, Like she's among them people. When you
Speaker 1: talk to her, you leave feeling less than you were, Like,
Speaker 1: how did I get dumber by talking to you? So
Speaker 1: I didn't listen to a lot of what she have
Speaker 1: to say anything. No, a lot of those people, they're
Speaker 1: just not logical. And I don't think that. I don't
Speaker 1: think that the entire country is moving backwards. I don't
Speaker 1: think that at all. I think that they're trying to
Speaker 1: manipulate us into thinking that we are, so we feel defeated.
Speaker 1: But you can tell by the outrage that that's not
Speaker 1: the direction we're going. We're not going We're never going.
Speaker 2: Back to where it was just okay with no consequence.
Speaker 1: We're never ever ever going back to where you can
Speaker 1: do stuff like that and nobody is going to check
Speaker 1: you about it.
Speaker 2: So that's the difference.
Speaker 1: I don't believe we're ever going to go back there,
Speaker 1: but I do believe that they want us to think
Speaker 1: that we will, so that we won't feel like we
Speaker 1: have the power to fight back. One of the things
Speaker 1: that I think about, and I know this is this
Speaker 1: is the same random but follow me here, So I
Speaker 1: think about, you know, when during slavery, the slaves did
Speaker 1: not know they intentionally kept them from getting an education,
Speaker 1: reading from even leaving the plantation because they did not
Speaker 1: know that they outnumbered them. It's the same thing, like
Speaker 1: they need to get a new fucking playbook, like you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Well, like we peep this shit
Speaker 1: by now, like we can see, like, hey, y'all are
Speaker 1: trying to manipulate us. But the masses, I don't think
Speaker 1: the masses agree with you. And when people, even though
Speaker 1: they don't have.
Speaker 2: Any shame.
Speaker 1: To me from my perspective, when people just go publicly
Speaker 1: saying stuff like that you look like a weirdo, I
Speaker 1: feel like the masses either think you're tripping, they're like, ugh,
Speaker 1: I don't know about that, or they're outraged, but it's
Speaker 1: very few of them that are actually siding with you.
Speaker 1: I don't want people to be swayed by that, Like,
Speaker 1: don't think that they outnumber us or that we're going
Speaker 1: back there.
Speaker 2: No keep calling them out like the weirdos that they are.
Speaker 3: And there are more of us than there are of them.
Speaker 1: That is, so there are They don't want us to
Speaker 1: know that, they don't want us to know that, but
Speaker 1: there's absolutely more of us.
Speaker 2: And it's not just morel.
Speaker 1: There are more people who don't want to live in
Speaker 1: a society like that. There are people who say even
Speaker 1: if they aren't like even if their heart isn't so
Speaker 1: invested in black culture in the black community, they feel like, Okay,
Speaker 1: if it's so okay to target them, one day, it'll
Speaker 1: be okay to target me. And I need people that
Speaker 1: I need people to keep thinking like that, if they
Speaker 1: will go after black people, they'll go after me because
Speaker 1: I'm Asian, or because I'm a woman, or because I'm
Speaker 1: Hispanic or whatever.
Speaker 2: That looks like.
Speaker 1: There are a lot of people who don't want to
Speaker 1: live in a society like that.
Speaker 3: Something that you said on Threads that I thought was
Speaker 3: so good. You said, although this entire movement is centered
Speaker 3: around race, race is not the only issue. The bigger
Speaker 3: issue is allowing people to profit off of harm. These
Speaker 3: companies have made their fortunes on the backs of vulnerable people.
Speaker 3: Racism is just the current vehicle to do so. So
Speaker 3: this particular situation is about whether or not companies can
Speaker 3: help somebody monetize and profit off of hate. Racism specifically,
Speaker 3: but tomorrow, maybe it's immigration status, maybe it's gender, maybe
Speaker 3: it's sexuality, you know it. And I think that was
Speaker 3: so important that, like, I think that is what is
Speaker 3: galvanizing people in this movement is like I think people
Speaker 3: are smart enough to see, like, this is not the
Speaker 3: world I want to live in where somebody can it's
Speaker 3: incentivized to be this hateful towards towards a baby that
Speaker 3: wasn't doing like a.
Speaker 1: Baby, you know, a baby doing baby shit. Kids they
Speaker 1: get into things, you know. So I agree that there
Speaker 1: are a lot of people who they just don't want
Speaker 1: to live in a society like that, and I think
Speaker 1: that's important that we keep calling them out, because you're right,
Speaker 1: it's this society in general.
Speaker 2: There's so much of that.
Speaker 1: I want to say, Honestly, our society, unfortunately, is built
Speaker 1: like that. There are so many systems that are profiting
Speaker 1: off of harm. Even I won't get into Luigi and
Speaker 1: I won't talk about what he did, but this is
Speaker 1: the same thing. It is people profiting off of harm.
Speaker 1: It's all circular. And until we start speaking up and
Speaker 1: tearing those fucking systems down, I ain't even saying we
Speaker 1: gotta tear them down.
Speaker 2: I ain't tearing it down. You built it, you fix it.
Speaker 3: How can people support you, support this work? Take action?
Speaker 3: Like what should listeners be doing?
Speaker 1: Thank you for asking that. So, first of all, taking
Speaker 1: action is one of the things that's the most important
Speaker 1: to me. So I've created an entire Google document that
Speaker 1: you can download. It's that the link in my bio
Speaker 1: on all my social media platforms, it's called Square Up
Speaker 1: for Change, which I'm so I'm just so proud of
Speaker 1: that hashtag.
Speaker 3: That is what the links in the in the show
Speaker 3: notes of the episode as well. The folks can find it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm so proud of that hashtag.
Speaker 1: That's like, that's that's just one of my favorite things.
Speaker 1: So they can either search that hashtag Square up for Justice,
Speaker 1: or they can just go to the link in my bio.
Speaker 1: I've documented and gave steps to every thing, right, so
Speaker 1: that's the first thing they can do if they want
Speaker 1: to stay active. What I want people to do right now,
Speaker 1: because this whole Square back and forth has become a
Speaker 1: whole thing, and we don't give a fuck about that,
Speaker 1: right they their grave has been dug all right, Square,
Speaker 1: they didn't signed their death certificate and now they're just spiraling.
Speaker 2: So what we're not gonna.
Speaker 1: Do is let them, let them leach our energy and
Speaker 1: drain us into a back and forth. We're not gonna
Speaker 1: be pulled into a back and forth with Square and
Speaker 1: forget about what we're doing. So right now, Square, we've like,
Speaker 1: we've targeted them, We've targeted Block. We're gonna keep holding
Speaker 1: them accountable. We're gonna keep following those complaints. If you
Speaker 1: haven't already, go and follow that complaint. But if you
Speaker 1: have already been active, it is time for us to
Speaker 1: target Stripe. Not just target Stripe, it is time for
Speaker 1: us to do the same thing. File complaints any sort
Speaker 1: of any sort of product that they have. We need
Speaker 1: to be calling for a boycott if they don't freeze
Speaker 1: those funds. And it's the same thing right now, file
Speaker 1: the complaint and they will be the subject of a
Speaker 1: class action of lawsuit if they pay the those funds
Speaker 1: out to her. Now, one of the things I just
Speaker 1: learned before i even got on here with you that
Speaker 1: I'm starting to see a little bit of I'm kind
Speaker 1: of seeing some scuttle but that I didn't really like. Right,
Speaker 1: I'm the type, I'm really no nonsense and I'm like
Speaker 1: focus y'all, like, don't let this shit get y'all off
Speaker 1: the course. Right, So this is one of the things
Speaker 1: I want people to pay attention to, because Stripe is
Speaker 1: they are big, and they are embedded like everywhere somebody
Speaker 1: sent me a screenshop from their website, and I looked
Speaker 1: on their website. They have partners who they are connected to,
Speaker 1: so it lists, Uber, it lists, Etsy, it lists, Anthropology,
Speaker 1: talk Space. They have a whole list of partners, right,
Speaker 1: And so we're now calling out those partners too. Now
Speaker 1: we're not calling for a boycott of them yet, but
Speaker 1: we are calling out those partners and saying, hey, are
Speaker 1: you cool with this shit your friends doing. We want
Speaker 1: to hold all of them accountable, and we are pressing
Speaker 1: all of them. And honestly, I don't have to call
Speaker 1: for a boycott at this point. If you don't choose
Speaker 1: the side those companies know they're gonna lose business, or
Speaker 1: if they don't know they're about to find out.
Speaker 3: They're about to find out. I love it. You know,
Speaker 3: we've talked a lot about the movement you've been organizing.
Speaker 3: How does it personally feel? You know, I was listening
Speaker 3: to that Sam Cook song A Change is Gonna Come.
Speaker 3: I know that that song. Somebody was telling you about
Speaker 3: how that song felt in this moment in light of
Speaker 3: the work that you're doing, How does this personally feel
Speaker 3: to you to be anchoring such an impactful movement? That
Speaker 3: is really inspiring so many folks who maybe felt disempowered
Speaker 3: like I did coming into the year.
Speaker 2: I feel like this is a.
Speaker 1: I feel like I have known for a while, and
Speaker 1: I don't want to be a cliche, but I don't
Speaker 1: want to be cliche but a shoe. I've known for
Speaker 1: a while I was gonna do something. I have this
Speaker 1: fire inside of me, and I just I'm so righteous
Speaker 1: and I always stand up for what I feel is right.
Speaker 1: So I've known that I had the inside of me
Speaker 1: for a long time. So when this started unfolding, I
Speaker 1: didn't know how big it was gonna be. But it
Speaker 1: feels like, Okay, that's what I was supposed to do.
Speaker 1: So to me, it's grounding, and it feels like, oh,
Speaker 1: fucking finally, because all the work that I've been doing
Speaker 1: to leave me here, so many things make sense. There
Speaker 1: is a part of it that's a little bittersweet to me.
Speaker 1: That's the part I haven't talked about. I haven't gone
Speaker 1: on my social media or anything to talk about it
Speaker 1: because I am from Alabama, right, so I do come
Speaker 1: from a family that is rooted in the.
Speaker 2: South, and a lot of it, a lot of this
Speaker 2: feels personal to me.
Speaker 1: And there's a part of it where I know I've
Speaker 1: shared before that my mom is sick now, so she's
Speaker 1: like she's medically incapacitated. So there is a part of
Speaker 1: me personally that's like, I wish my mama could see,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I don't think.
Speaker 1: She She's always she calls me, you're my good baby,
Speaker 1: You're my special baby.
Speaker 2: She always tells me, go to law school, go to
Speaker 2: law school.
Speaker 1: You're gonna do something with yourself, right, And she thought
Speaker 1: being a lawyer was making it for me. She would
Speaker 1: not It would blow her mind if she could see
Speaker 1: what I'm doing now. So that's the part to me
Speaker 1: that's a little heavy when I talk about it or
Speaker 1: think about it, because I haven't talked about it at all.
Speaker 2: But that's the part as heavy.
Speaker 1: As I know my mom, I know she would be
Speaker 1: mind blowing if she could see, because she is one
Speaker 1: person who always knew I was going to do something.
Speaker 3: She had I think she probably had no idea what
Speaker 3: she was speaking into existence for you, No beyond her,
Speaker 3: beyond her wildest dreams.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and mine for sure for sure, because where I'm
Speaker 1: come where I come from, people don't do stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So I know, you know, I'm from Alabama, so obviously
Speaker 1: they have people who led the civil rights movement, But
Speaker 1: the environment I come from, if you are financially successful,
Speaker 1: it's because you're.
Speaker 2: A drug dealer. Other than that, they're working dead and jobs.
Speaker 1: They're caught up in this same cycle, right, and a
Speaker 1: lot of them don't even make it out of there
Speaker 1: where I'm from.
Speaker 2: So for me to have not only.
Speaker 1: Made it out of this town that's in the South,
Speaker 1: in Alabama, that it's riddle racism, Like that's one of
Speaker 1: the things I think prepared me for. Like, I'm from
Speaker 1: the South. Do you think this is the first time
Speaker 1: I've ever been called the end work? So for me
Speaker 1: to make it out of that environment, not only to
Speaker 1: do something that made an impact, but to specifically be
Speaker 1: fighting racism in the way I am, it's all circular,
Speaker 1: and it's just it's really grounding for me.
Speaker 3: That's I mean. It is circular because you're creating a
Speaker 3: climate where less black babies have to grow up being like, oh,
Speaker 3: it's fine to call me the N.
Speaker 1: Word, and you know what, if nothing else, I would
Speaker 1: be happy, if nothing else, if people think twice before
Speaker 1: doing shit like that. So before I go and attack
Speaker 1: this little black child. M Is it going to be
Speaker 1: a whole movement against me?
Speaker 2: Like? Am I going to have to relocate after that?
Speaker 3: Is there anything that I did not ask that you
Speaker 3: want to make sure it gets included in this conversation.
Speaker 1: You asked me, but I didn't answer because I got
Speaker 1: off on a different topic with Adhd, Right. But you
Speaker 1: ask me how people could support me, because a lot
Speaker 1: of people are supporting me personally. So I do have
Speaker 1: a nonprofit organization that's called Project ninety two.
Speaker 2: You known Club Show, So I have.
Speaker 1: A nonprofit that will be the umbrella for all of
Speaker 1: my activism. As of now, I don't have any crowdfunding campaign.
Speaker 1: A lot of people keep asking me that because you know,
Speaker 1: y'all know good damn well, if I make a go
Speaker 1: fund me, there's just gonna report it and snatch it down.
Speaker 1: So I'm working with a web developer now to add
Speaker 1: a page to my website to where we can start
Speaker 1: collecting donations and people can support specifically support my activism.
Speaker 1: But as of now, any product that I have my
Speaker 1: business is fem finds Atl, So it's www. Dot fm
Speaker 1: finds Atl. That's not a plug for me to try
Speaker 1: to sell products. I'm not trying to monetize this, but
Speaker 1: the reality is this is a lot of time and
Speaker 1: it is a lot of energy. So keeping me financially
Speaker 1: stable gives me the freedom to continue to do this work.
Speaker 1: So if they want to support me, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: create a gofund me, but you can shop on my
Speaker 1: site and there's also an option to leave a tip,
Speaker 1: and when you leave a tip, that goes directly to
Speaker 1: my nonprofit organization.
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna say I think people should shop your site,
Speaker 3: and I think people should leave a tip because this
Speaker 3: work is hard, it's costly, like like we were saying,
Speaker 3: like it is not without personal risk and cost, and yeah,
Speaker 3: it's like it's it's a marathon, not a sprint. And
Speaker 3: we have to make sure that the people who are
Speaker 3: who are leading these movements are taken care of and
Speaker 3: that we have we have the backs of people who
Speaker 3: are doing the work and like actually walking the walk,
Speaker 3: not just talking the talk. So will I am saying
Speaker 3: I think people should financially.
Speaker 1: Support There is something that I don't want to say struggle,
Speaker 1: something I deal with and battle with sometimes.
Speaker 2: It's imposter syndrome.
Speaker 1: So I almost like, I'm like, I don't uh. I
Speaker 1: don't want to feel like I'm plugging myself, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's crazy that I can go and
Speaker 1: I can go head first and fight them fearlessly. But
Speaker 1: when people are like, what can we do for you,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know, or you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But it is the reality that in the world that
Speaker 1: we live in, like shit costs money, bro, Like I
Speaker 1: have to be able to work and I have to
Speaker 1: be able to pay bills, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I can't focus if I'm worried about where I'm gonna
Speaker 1: lay my head at. So supporting me does make a
Speaker 1: huge difference. And I am working on that. I am
Speaker 1: working on the channels that they can just directly donate.
Speaker 1: But I also after taking on all those payment processors,
Speaker 1: I think it would be wise to just build my
Speaker 1: own platform on my own site. There was something in me.
Speaker 1: I'm not afraid of the movement, but there was something
Speaker 1: in me that was low key terrified of people just
Speaker 1: thinking this was a money grap for me because I'm
Speaker 1: so passionate, I'm so about this work, and I knew
Speaker 1: if it wasn't nobody, but me doing the work she's
Speaker 1: not about. I don't want to just sit back and
Speaker 1: watch her profit from verbally attacking the child.
Speaker 2: Right So, people were.
Speaker 1: Asking how can we support you? How can we support you?
Speaker 1: And I just I was afraid of that. I didn't
Speaker 1: want people like, oh, another grift like cloud Chaser, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, because that will minimize the work
Speaker 1: that I'm doing. If right now I were to like
Speaker 1: put up a GoFundMe and then it gets all these donations,
Speaker 1: I know for a fact the narrative is going to be,
Speaker 1: which maybe I shouldn't care. I'll talk to my therapist
Speaker 1: about that, but I know for a fact the narrative
Speaker 1: is going to be.
Speaker 2: Like, see, this is why she did this. She just
Speaker 2: wanted to make money.
Speaker 1: So that's why I'm intentional about the channels that I
Speaker 1: tell y'all to go through, because I'm not just telling
Speaker 1: y'all to just give me money, give me money, give
Speaker 1: me money, give me money. You can support my business.
Speaker 1: But I'm not just asking for a big lump sum
Speaker 1: of money like y'all like.
Speaker 2: Her, like her.
Speaker 3: I mean, you're better than that. You're actually doing work
Speaker 3: that I think it's worth a million dollars right right?
Speaker 2: And I told you know what's funny.
Speaker 1: I told my son that yesterday because people kept telling me, like,
Speaker 1: you need to make a gofunme.
Speaker 2: You need to make a gofunme me girl. You could
Speaker 2: right now?
Speaker 1: People want to donate, and I am nothing if not
Speaker 1: a strategic thinker, especially when it comes to my business.
Speaker 2: Because I'm gonna be real. Could I have the first
Speaker 2: day it went viral and people like Kendrew saved the day?
Speaker 1: Could I have put up some sort of crowdfunding and
Speaker 1: got maybe one hundred K two three right? I could
Speaker 1: have done that. I absolutely could. I could probably do
Speaker 1: that right now. But I want to position myself a
Speaker 1: leader here long term. So the money's gonna come. I'm
Speaker 1: not worried about that. The money is gonna come. There
Speaker 1: will be more opportunities, there will be people will continue
Speaker 1: to support my site.
Speaker 2: The bigger my brand grows. The money's gonna come, So
Speaker 2: I don't feel like I have to make this desperate
Speaker 2: move to grab that.
Speaker 3: I love this abundant mindset of like. It will come.
Speaker 3: The timing will align. You know you were meant to
Speaker 3: be I think that you were meant to be doing
Speaker 3: exactly what you're doing right now. I think that's exactly
Speaker 3: the right mindset.
Speaker 2: Thank you. I appreciate it. And frankly, I was already successful.
Speaker 2: I'm just pissed.
Speaker 3: Off now you're successful and pissed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I already had money.
Speaker 3: I'm fine.
Speaker 1: My business was here before this happened. I'm just irritated
Speaker 1: by that shit.
Speaker 3: I love it. Is there anything else that you want
Speaker 3: to add before we stop the recording? This has been great,
Speaker 3: Like you're such a breath of fresh air to speak to.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. No, I want to add that I
Speaker 1: appreciate you. I appreciate you in any platform, any person
Speaker 1: that is intentional about telling this story and telling it
Speaker 1: in the right way. As you said, people erase us
Speaker 1: from the narrative. There are people blatantly like being biased
Speaker 1: the other way, even a black platform, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. There are so many people that are just casual,
Speaker 1: casually getting this story wrong just for the sake of
Speaker 1: views because it's viral right now. But you are intentional
Speaker 1: in getting the story right and telling the correct narrative,
Speaker 1: and I appreciate you in any platform that does that.
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