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Speaker 2: Women to know my name too.

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Speaker 3: There are no girls on the Internet. As a production

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Speaker 3: is there are no girls on the Internet. The video

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Speaker 2: That gives you that I have to call the child

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Speaker 3: Him At a white woman in Minnesota, Shiloh Hendrix was

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Speaker 3: next is even more upsetting. Shiloh Hendrix launched a crowdfunding

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Speaker 3: As of today, Shiloh Hendrix has raised over seven hundred

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Speaker 3: as a right wing folk hero or anti hero, depending

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Speaker 3: all in the name of fighting so called cancel culture.

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Speaker 3: But what kind of society rewards racial slurs being hurled

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Speaker 3: that Ca Andrea d'mone is fighting for. What about this situation?

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Speaker 3: Spoke to you? Like, how did you first find out

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Speaker 1: So one of the things I do on my social

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Speaker 2: That's just kind of my niche.

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Speaker 3: Ca Andrea is the black woman leading a growing movement

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Speaker 1: It came to my attention because my follow were bringing

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Speaker 3: I know that silence. When this story first hit my feed,

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Speaker 3: what can we do? But luckily you had a very

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Speaker 3: What made you take that choice? Right?

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Speaker 1: So, initially I was like you, I was choosing not

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Speaker 1: So that's something it was your second nature to do

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Speaker 3: So what is the current status of the donations today?

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Speaker 1: So the status of the donations, the site is still operating.

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Speaker 3: So there's the difference between cancel culture and canceling someone

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Speaker 2: So here is the plant.

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Speaker 2: So keep following those reports.

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Speaker 1: Docus meant everything that happened to you and the widespread

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Speaker 2: Where's my money?

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Speaker 1: A right, and we're urging everybody to start asking d

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Speaker 3: Yeah, run me my money.

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Speaker 3: How do you see all of these that's sort of connected.

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Speaker 2: So whether it's Stripe, whether it's Square.

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Speaker 1: So the goal is and they've been scrambling. We've seen

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Speaker 3: It probably won't surprise you that Ca Andrea is facing

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Speaker 1: The fact is, before this even blew up, those racist

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Speaker 1: No, I'm actually really incredible. I'm actually leading in that right.

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Speaker 3: After a quick break, let's get right back into it.

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Speaker 3: Story has been everywhere, blasted across social media, shared and

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Speaker 3: for all. If for every news outlet that covered what happened,

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Speaker 1: And this is what stuck with me and what bothered

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00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 1: me when I read this article. It presented the narrative

438
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:27,200
Speaker 1: as if oh, key Andrea tried, but she was still

439
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:31,680
Speaker 1: unable to stop them, and she's been receiving death threats

440
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 1: and this fighting them back is taking a toll. Right,

441
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 1: They positioned me as defeated and positioned her as.

442
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,399
Speaker 2: The hero, and that is not the reality.

443
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:45,120
Speaker 1: The reality is right now, in our plan of action,

444
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 1: we have accomplished our first goal.

445
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:50,120
Speaker 2: She has not received that payout. We have not been defeated.

446
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 1: And regardless of what the outcome is, I have been

447
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 1: showing up day in and day out, online and offline.

448
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 1: At this point, I have been showing up and I

449
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 1: have been fighting this tire carelessly. Right, So when people

450
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 1: are telling this story, it's not even about mentioning my name.

451
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 1: I want you to say we are fighting back. We

452
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 1: are fighting back, and we will hold them accountable. And

453
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 1: that's one of the reasons why you mentioned earlier. So

454
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,440
Speaker 1: I wanted to circle back to that. You mentioned how

455
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:21,119
Speaker 1: these platforms suppress us. Right, this story was viral for

456
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 1: days on another platform. It was unfolding for days before

457
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 1: a lot of these bigger platforms even picked it up.

458
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 1: Before a lot of like Instagram, that literally just happened

459
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 1: like yesterday. Nobody on Instagram even knew what was going on.

460
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 1: And I appreciate the people who support me and the

461
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 1: people who tagged me because it was word of mouth.

462
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,439
Speaker 1: What I know for a fact is word of mouth,

463
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 1: aside from technology, word of mouth is still the best

464
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 1: form of marketing, right. So there were so many people saying, Hey,

465
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:52,879
Speaker 1: you have to check out ca Andrea, you have to

466
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 1: check out Candre, you have to go and look at

467
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 1: what k Andrea is doing. It got to the point

468
00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 1: where on the Internet, from what I saw, you could

469
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 1: not mention this case. You could not mention Shiloh Hendrix,

470
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: you couldn't mention what was going on without people tagging me.

471
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: And I wanted that because it brought the traffic to

472
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: the solution, right, and it brought the traffic to the

473
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: people who were actually fighting back.

474
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 2: I didn't like that. I think that a lot of the.

475
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 1: Time in the media in general, and content creators, if

476
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 1: I'm being honest, even some of these larger accounts, they

477
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: want the views and they want to feel like they

478
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:30,120
Speaker 1: want to do enough to say I was engaged enough

479
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 1: to talk about it so that they could get the views,

480
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 1: but they're not really doing the necessary like journalism that

481
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 1: should be involved, which content creators aren't journalists. So that's understandable,

482
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 1: but I think that's across the board. If you're gonna

483
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 1: talk about it, talk about the solution. If you don't

484
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: talk about the solution, let me say that because I

485
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: want to make that clear. If you tell this story

486
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 1: and you don't tell that we're fighting back, that is intentional.

487
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,200
Speaker 2: We perceive that as intentional. That's not just me.

488
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: My entire following this consensus is if you don't tell

489
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 1: that we're fighting deck, if you intentionally minimize that or

490
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: leave that out, you are making it very clear which

491
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 1: side you're on. We are look at the say that

492
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,439
Speaker 1: the world, looking at the state of our country. There

493
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 1: is no more strattle in defense. There is no more

494
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: playing it safe in between. You have to pick one,

495
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: and your silence will be taken as complicity.

496
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 3: Why would anyone donate to Shiloh Hendrix in the first place.

497
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 3: For some, at least based on the comments left on

498
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:35,919
Speaker 3: the crowdfunding campaign, it's pretty explicitly about race. Gibson Go

499
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,919
Speaker 3: eventually disabled the comments because so many of them were

500
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 3: filled with outright racial slurs and references to Nazism. But

501
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 3: it's not just about race. It's also about this perceived

502
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:51,199
Speaker 3: racial retribution. Back in April, some teenagers got into a

503
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 3: fight at a swim meet. Austin Metcalfe, who is white,

504
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:59,719
Speaker 3: was killed. Carmelo Anthony, who was black, cooperated with police

505
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,719
Speaker 3: and claim to self defense. Still, he's now being charged

506
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 3: with first degree murder. His family launched a crowdfunding campaign

507
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 3: on gibson Go to raise money for his legal defense.

508
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 3: Shiloh's story in Carmelo's story aren't really alike in any

509
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 3: meaningful way, but that hasn't stopped some of the most

510
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 3: toxic voices on the far right from drawing a false equivalence.

511
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 3: White supremacist and Trump Dinner guest Nick fuent As posted quote,

512
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 3: black people just raised five hundred thousand dollars for a

513
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 3: cold blooded killer who stabbed a white teenager to death.

514
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 3: So I don't want to hear one word about the

515
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 3: Shiloh Hendricks fundraiser. Either everybody gets to be tribal or

516
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 3: nobody does. They're saying, well, you know, black people raised

517
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 3: all this money for him, this is the same. What

518
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 3: do you say to people who feel that way?

519
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: I usually don't say shit to them. I use black

520
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 1: them immediately. But if you want to know my stance

521
00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: when it comes to that, I've had a few people

522
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 1: me just fairly like, how do you feel about Carmelo?

523
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: Like do you not feel like that's the same? And no,

524
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 1: I don't feel like that's the same at all. One

525
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: thing I know about this other side that we're fighting

526
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: white supremacists or racist overall, One thing I know about

527
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: them is how petty and childish they can be.

528
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 2: They thrive off of that.

529
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: There usually is no real logic behind the things that

530
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 1: they're saying, Like if you were really a logical thinker,

531
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 1: you wouldn't be a fucking white.

532
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 2: Supremacist, you know.

533
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,479
Speaker 1: So a lot of the time it's just nonsense that

534
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: they're spouting overall. So I don't engage in that. But

535
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: anybody who is even on like supporting me, but wants

536
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: to understand Carmelo and Austin were children. They were children,

537
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: and that entire situation is a tragedy. If I'm being honest,

538
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: I feel transparently that Austin I do feel if they

539
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: attacked Carmelo, I do feel like that was wrong, and

540
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: I think it's unfortunate.

541
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 2: That it led to a lot of life.

542
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: But I also do feel this, and this might not

543
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: be something that everybody agrees with, but I do still

544
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: feel like he was a kid. I do still feel

545
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: like Austin was a kid, you know, and kids they

546
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: fuck up sometimes, you know what I mean. So even

547
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: though even if they were racists, even if they were

548
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: targeting them, even if they were raised that way, I

549
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: don't know. Whatever they did. They were kids, and kids

550
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: fuck up. So anytime I see a child being hurt, period,

551
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: my heart breaks. And in this case, two children were hurt.

552
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: It wasn't just him, It wasn't just Austin. Austin lost

553
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: his life and that's heartbreaking. But look at what this

554
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: is doing to Carmelo. And if they attacked him, he

555
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: didn't deserve that either. He doesn't deserve to be targeted.

556
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: Does he had a right to defend hisself. It's unfortunately,

557
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: it's unfortunate that it ended in a loss of life,

558
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: but he had a right to defend hisself. That whole

559
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: situation is unfortunate, and I can understand what even though

560
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: I wouldn't donate to Austin's family, honestly, I can understand

561
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: communities supporting the families on either side because this is

562
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: a situation that just never should have happened to begin with.

563
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: So many things could have been done differently, and both

564
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: of those kids, unfortunately are victims. They're like two things

565
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: can exist in the same space, And to me that

566
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: was just heartbreaking because they were kids, and none of

567
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: that should have happened. And I understand both sides wanting

568
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: to support them because that whole situation was just sad

569
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: and messed up.

570
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 2: That is completely different then this, this person.

571
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: That is completely different than a grown fucking woman attacking

572
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: a child.

573
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 2: Even with Carmelo.

574
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: And Austin, these are two kids that at least were

575
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: capable of speaking up and you know, advocating for themselves

576
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: to some extent.

577
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 2: This is a baby.

578
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: She is targeting a baby that can't defend themselves, an

579
00:30:55,120 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: autistic child that cannot defend themselves. Are an adult to

580
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: attack and target a baby and use a racial slur

581
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: and to profit off just doing it, like she didn't

582
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: have any real need to raise any funds. Like people,

583
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: if people are dotsing you, if people are targeting you,

584
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: threatening you, that sometimes racism pisses people off. That is

585
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: the consequences of your own action. So save the white

586
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: woman tears, that is the consequences of you being racist.

587
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: And that's not the same a tragedy and the consequences

588
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: of her own actions are not the same at all.

589
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 3: I think you put it so well, and I think, like,

590
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 3: how is the world made better by having a world

591
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 3: where there is a financial incentive to attacking a like

592
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 3: a defenseless baby in public, like Who's life. And so

593
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 3: these people who are like on her side are advocating

594
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 3: for her. I would really love to ask them, there

595
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 3: is that a better world, a world where somebody will

596
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 3: attack a baby and get half over half a million

597
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 3: dollars for that?

598
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 2: Is that a better world for them?

599
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: I'm sure for them, I think they want to put

600
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: black people in our place, and they want to send

601
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: a message that they support that and they will uphold

602
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: their racist values. That's what it was about. It wasn't

603
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: just about her. It is about them saying I saw

604
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: comments that are saying the white race will rise, like

605
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: they feel like they are dying breed, and that is

606
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: in fact a dying ideology. White supremacy and that sort

607
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: of racism, that's a dying ideology. It's way way more

608
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: frowned upon than it used to be. So they feel

609
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: like they're essentially a dying breed, and that was their

610
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: attempt to send a message that they are going to

611
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: uphold that.

612
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 3: It's like the last gasps of something there. They feel,

613
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 3: they feel this pendulum swinging back and they're like, no,

614
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 3: we have to do all we can to get to

615
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 3: get more ground.

616
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're grasping, yes, Charles, for sure.

617
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 3: And I was watching this Pierce Morgan's show. They did

618
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 3: a panel on this with like four different panelists. There

619
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 3: was a white panelist on the show who basically was

620
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 3: like saying, the inWORD is free speech. She goes on

621
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 3: to talk about how she calls black people the N

622
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 3: word whenever she feels like it, whenever it's warranted, and

623
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 3: I don't know, it made me wonder if we are

624
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 3: going to a place where we're moving backward where people

625
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 3: don't necessarily feel any kind of shame or issue with

626
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 3: using a slur directed toward a baby in public. Do

627
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 3: you think that this is like a last gasp or

628
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 3: do you think we're moving toward a place where like,

629
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 3: actually that's cool again, Like it's totally fine to use

630
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 3: a salad of baby in public. Right.

631
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: No, I don't believe that at all, because of all

632
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: of the public outrage.

633
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 2: She was terrible.

634
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: She's just horrible, Like she's among them people. When you

635
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: talk to her, you leave feeling less than you were, Like,

636
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: how did I get dumber by talking to you? So

637
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 1: I didn't listen to a lot of what she have

638
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: to say anything. No, a lot of those people, they're

639
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: just not logical. And I don't think that. I don't

640
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: think that the entire country is moving backwards. I don't

641
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 1: think that at all. I think that they're trying to

642
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: manipulate us into thinking that we are, so we feel defeated.

643
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: But you can tell by the outrage that that's not

644
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: the direction we're going. We're not going We're never going.

645
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 2: Back to where it was just okay with no consequence.

646
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: We're never ever ever going back to where you can

647
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: do stuff like that and nobody is going to check

648
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 1: you about it.

649
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 2: So that's the difference.

650
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,399
Speaker 1: I don't believe we're ever going to go back there,

651
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 1: but I do believe that they want us to think

652
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: that we will, so that we won't feel like we

653
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: have the power to fight back. One of the things

654
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: that I think about, and I know this is this

655
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 1: is the same random but follow me here, So I

656
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: think about, you know, when during slavery, the slaves did

657
00:34:56,120 --> 00:35:00,720
Speaker 1: not know they intentionally kept them from getting an education,

658
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: reading from even leaving the plantation because they did not

659
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: know that they outnumbered them. It's the same thing, like

660
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: they need to get a new fucking playbook, like you

661
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:10,959
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Well, like we peep this shit

662
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: by now, like we can see, like, hey, y'all are

663
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: trying to manipulate us. But the masses, I don't think

664
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: the masses agree with you. And when people, even though

665
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: they don't have.

666
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 2: Any shame.

667
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: To me from my perspective, when people just go publicly

668
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: saying stuff like that you look like a weirdo, I

669
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,399
Speaker 1: feel like the masses either think you're tripping, they're like, ugh,

670
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 1: I don't know about that, or they're outraged, but it's

671
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: very few of them that are actually siding with you.

672
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 1: I don't want people to be swayed by that, Like,

673
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: don't think that they outnumber us or that we're going

674
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: back there.

675
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 2: No keep calling them out like the weirdos that they are.

676
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 3: And there are more of us than there are of them.

677
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: That is, so there are They don't want us to

678
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: know that, they don't want us to know that, but

679
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,439
Speaker 1: there's absolutely more of us.

680
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 2: And it's not just morel.

681
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: There are more people who don't want to live in

682
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: a society like that. There are people who say even

683
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: if they aren't like even if their heart isn't so

684
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: invested in black culture in the black community, they feel like, Okay,

685
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: if it's so okay to target them, one day, it'll

686
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 1: be okay to target me. And I need people that

687
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: I need people to keep thinking like that, if they

688
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: will go after black people, they'll go after me because

689
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: I'm Asian, or because I'm a woman, or because I'm

690
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: Hispanic or whatever.

691
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 2: That looks like.

692
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 1: There are a lot of people who don't want to

693
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: live in a society like that.

694
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 3: Something that you said on Threads that I thought was

695
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,280
Speaker 3: so good. You said, although this entire movement is centered

696
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 3: around race, race is not the only issue. The bigger

697
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 3: issue is allowing people to profit off of harm. These

698
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 3: companies have made their fortunes on the backs of vulnerable people.

699
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 3: Racism is just the current vehicle to do so. So

700
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 3: this particular situation is about whether or not companies can

701
00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 3: help somebody monetize and profit off of hate. Racism specifically,

702
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 3: but tomorrow, maybe it's immigration status, maybe it's gender, maybe

703
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 3: it's sexuality, you know it. And I think that was

704
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 3: so important that, like, I think that is what is

705
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,479
Speaker 3: galvanizing people in this movement is like I think people

706
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 3: are smart enough to see, like, this is not the

707
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,399
Speaker 3: world I want to live in where somebody can it's

708
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 3: incentivized to be this hateful towards towards a baby that

709
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 3: wasn't doing like a.

710
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 1: Baby, you know, a baby doing baby shit. Kids they

711
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: get into things, you know. So I agree that there

712
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 1: are a lot of people who they just don't want

713
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: to live in a society like that, and I think

714
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,879
Speaker 1: that's important that we keep calling them out, because you're right,

715
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: it's this society in general.

716
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 2: There's so much of that.

717
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,879
Speaker 1: I want to say, Honestly, our society, unfortunately, is built

718
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 1: like that. There are so many systems that are profiting

719
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: off of harm. Even I won't get into Luigi and

720
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: I won't talk about what he did, but this is

721
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,760
Speaker 1: the same thing. It is people profiting off of harm.

722
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: It's all circular. And until we start speaking up and

723
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 1: tearing those fucking systems down, I ain't even saying we

724
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 1: gotta tear them down.

725
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 2: I ain't tearing it down. You built it, you fix it.

726
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 3: How can people support you, support this work? Take action?

727
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 3: Like what should listeners be doing?

728
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: Thank you for asking that. So, first of all, taking

729
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 1: action is one of the things that's the most important

730
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: to me. So I've created an entire Google document that

731
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 1: you can download. It's that the link in my bio

732
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: on all my social media platforms, it's called Square Up

733
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: for Change, which I'm so I'm just so proud of

734
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:37,760
Speaker 1: that hashtag.

735
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 3: That is what the links in the in the show

736
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 3: notes of the episode as well. The folks can find it.

737
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm so proud of that hashtag.

738
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 1: That's like, that's that's just one of my favorite things.

739
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: So they can either search that hashtag Square up for Justice,

740
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 1: or they can just go to the link in my bio.

741
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: I've documented and gave steps to every thing, right, so

742
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: that's the first thing they can do if they want

743
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: to stay active. What I want people to do right now,

744
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: because this whole Square back and forth has become a

745
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 1: whole thing, and we don't give a fuck about that,

746
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 1: right they their grave has been dug all right, Square,

747
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: they didn't signed their death certificate and now they're just spiraling.

748
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 2: So what we're not gonna.

749
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 1: Do is let them, let them leach our energy and

750
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 1: drain us into a back and forth. We're not gonna

751
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 1: be pulled into a back and forth with Square and

752
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: forget about what we're doing. So right now, Square, we've like,

753
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,240
Speaker 1: we've targeted them, We've targeted Block. We're gonna keep holding

754
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: them accountable. We're gonna keep following those complaints. If you

755
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: haven't already, go and follow that complaint. But if you

756
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: have already been active, it is time for us to

757
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: target Stripe. Not just target Stripe, it is time for

758
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: us to do the same thing. File complaints any sort

759
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: of any sort of product that they have. We need

760
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 1: to be calling for a boycott if they don't freeze

761
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: those funds. And it's the same thing right now, file

762
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: the complaint and they will be the subject of a

763
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: class action of lawsuit if they pay the those funds

764
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 1: out to her. Now, one of the things I just

765
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 1: learned before i even got on here with you that

766
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 1: I'm starting to see a little bit of I'm kind

767
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: of seeing some scuttle but that I didn't really like. Right,

768
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: I'm the type, I'm really no nonsense and I'm like

769
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: focus y'all, like, don't let this shit get y'all off

770
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 1: the course. Right, So this is one of the things

771
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: I want people to pay attention to, because Stripe is

772
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: they are big, and they are embedded like everywhere somebody

773
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 1: sent me a screenshop from their website, and I looked

774
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 1: on their website. They have partners who they are connected to,

775
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: so it lists, Uber, it lists, Etsy, it lists, Anthropology,

776
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: talk Space. They have a whole list of partners, right,

777
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: And so we're now calling out those partners too. Now

778
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: we're not calling for a boycott of them yet, but

779
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 1: we are calling out those partners and saying, hey, are

780
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: you cool with this shit your friends doing. We want

781
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: to hold all of them accountable, and we are pressing

782
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: all of them. And honestly, I don't have to call

783
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 1: for a boycott at this point. If you don't choose

784
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: the side those companies know they're gonna lose business, or

785
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: if they don't know they're about to find out.

786
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 3: They're about to find out. I love it. You know,

787
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 3: we've talked a lot about the movement you've been organizing.

788
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:15,240
Speaker 3: How does it personally feel? You know, I was listening

789
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 3: to that Sam Cook song A Change is Gonna Come.

790
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,959
Speaker 3: I know that that song. Somebody was telling you about

791
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 3: how that song felt in this moment in light of

792
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 3: the work that you're doing, How does this personally feel

793
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 3: to you to be anchoring such an impactful movement? That

794
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 3: is really inspiring so many folks who maybe felt disempowered

795
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 3: like I did coming into the year.

796
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 2: I feel like this is a.

797
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 1: I feel like I have known for a while, and

798
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: I don't want to be a cliche, but I don't

799
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: want to be cliche but a shoe. I've known for

800
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 1: a while I was gonna do something. I have this

801
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: fire inside of me, and I just I'm so righteous

802
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 1: and I always stand up for what I feel is right.

803
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: So I've known that I had the inside of me

804
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: for a long time. So when this started unfolding, I

805
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: didn't know how big it was gonna be. But it

806
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: feels like, Okay, that's what I was supposed to do.

807
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,919
Speaker 1: So to me, it's grounding, and it feels like, oh,

808
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: fucking finally, because all the work that I've been doing

809
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: to leave me here, so many things make sense. There

810
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 1: is a part of it that's a little bittersweet to me.

811
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: That's the part I haven't talked about. I haven't gone

812
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: on my social media or anything to talk about it

813
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 1: because I am from Alabama, right, so I do come

814
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: from a family that is rooted in the.

815
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 2: South, and a lot of it, a lot of this

816
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 2: feels personal to me.

817
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 1: And there's a part of it where I know I've

818
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 1: shared before that my mom is sick now, so she's

819
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: like she's medically incapacitated. So there is a part of

820
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: me personally that's like, I wish my mama could see,

821
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

822
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 2: I don't think.

823
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 1: She She's always she calls me, you're my good baby,

824
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:53,280
Speaker 1: You're my special baby.

825
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 2: She always tells me, go to law school, go to

826
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 2: law school.

827
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: You're gonna do something with yourself, right, And she thought

828
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 1: being a lawyer was making it for me. She would

829
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: not It would blow her mind if she could see

830
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: what I'm doing now. So that's the part to me

831
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: that's a little heavy when I talk about it or

832
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 1: think about it, because I haven't talked about it at all.

833
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 2: But that's the part as heavy.

834
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: As I know my mom, I know she would be

835
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 1: mind blowing if she could see, because she is one

836
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: person who always knew I was going to do something.

837
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 3: She had I think she probably had no idea what

838
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 3: she was speaking into existence for you, No beyond her,

839
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 3: beyond her wildest dreams.

840
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and mine for sure for sure, because where I'm

841
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 1: come where I come from, people don't do stuff like that.

842
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: So I know, you know, I'm from Alabama, so obviously

843
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 1: they have people who led the civil rights movement, But

844
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: the environment I come from, if you are financially successful,

845
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: it's because you're.

846
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 2: A drug dealer. Other than that, they're working dead and jobs.

847
00:43:55,840 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 1: They're caught up in this same cycle, right, and a

848
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:01,879
Speaker 1: lot of them don't even make it out of there

849
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: where I'm from.

850
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 2: So for me to have not only.

851
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: Made it out of this town that's in the South,

852
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: in Alabama, that it's riddle racism, Like that's one of

853
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: the things I think prepared me for. Like, I'm from

854
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: the South. Do you think this is the first time

855
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 1: I've ever been called the end work? So for me

856
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: to make it out of that environment, not only to

857
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 1: do something that made an impact, but to specifically be

858
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: fighting racism in the way I am, it's all circular,

859
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 1: and it's just it's really grounding for me.

860
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 3: That's I mean. It is circular because you're creating a

861
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 3: climate where less black babies have to grow up being like, oh,

862
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 3: it's fine to call me the N.

863
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 1: Word, and you know what, if nothing else, I would

864
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: be happy, if nothing else, if people think twice before

865
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,760
Speaker 1: doing shit like that. So before I go and attack

866
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: this little black child. M Is it going to be

867
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 1: a whole movement against me?

868
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 2: Like? Am I going to have to relocate after that?

869
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 3: Is there anything that I did not ask that you

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Speaker 3: want to make sure it gets included in this conversation.

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Speaker 1: You asked me, but I didn't answer because I got

872
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Speaker 1: off on a different topic with Adhd, Right. But you

873
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: ask me how people could support me, because a lot

874
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 1: of people are supporting me personally. So I do have

875
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 1: a nonprofit organization that's called Project ninety two.

876
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Speaker 2: You known Club Show, So I have.

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Speaker 1: A nonprofit that will be the umbrella for all of

878
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: my activism. As of now, I don't have any crowdfunding campaign.

879
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: A lot of people keep asking me that because you know,

880
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: y'all know good damn well, if I make a go

881
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,439
Speaker 1: fund me, there's just gonna report it and snatch it down.

882
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 1: So I'm working with a web developer now to add

883
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: a page to my website to where we can start

884
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: collecting donations and people can support specifically support my activism.

885
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 1: But as of now, any product that I have my

886
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:58,439
Speaker 1: business is fem finds Atl, So it's www. Dot fm

887
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,439
Speaker 1: finds Atl. That's not a plug for me to try

888
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Speaker 1: to sell products. I'm not trying to monetize this, but

889
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: the reality is this is a lot of time and

890
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,919
Speaker 1: it is a lot of energy. So keeping me financially

891
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 1: stable gives me the freedom to continue to do this work.

892
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 1: So if they want to support me, I'm not gonna

893
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: create a gofund me, but you can shop on my

894
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: site and there's also an option to leave a tip,

895
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 1: and when you leave a tip, that goes directly to

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Speaker 1: my nonprofit organization.

897
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna say I think people should shop your site,

898
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Speaker 3: and I think people should leave a tip because this

899
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,320
Speaker 3: work is hard, it's costly, like like we were saying,

900
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:39,439
Speaker 3: like it is not without personal risk and cost, and yeah,

901
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 3: it's like it's it's a marathon, not a sprint. And

902
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 3: we have to make sure that the people who are

903
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 3: who are leading these movements are taken care of and

904
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Speaker 3: that we have we have the backs of people who

905
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 3: are doing the work and like actually walking the walk,

906
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 3: not just talking the talk. So will I am saying

907
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Speaker 3: I think people should financially.

908
00:46:55,360 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: Support There is something that I don't want to say struggle,

909
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: something I deal with and battle with sometimes.

910
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 2: It's imposter syndrome.

911
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 1: So I almost like, I'm like, I don't uh. I

912
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: don't want to feel like I'm plugging myself, you know

913
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's crazy that I can go and

914
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: I can go head first and fight them fearlessly. But

915
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 1: when people are like, what can we do for you,

916
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know, or you know what I mean.

917
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: But it is the reality that in the world that

918
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: we live in, like shit costs money, bro, Like I

919
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: have to be able to work and I have to

920
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: be able to pay bills, you know what I mean.

921
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,479
Speaker 1: I can't focus if I'm worried about where I'm gonna

922
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 1: lay my head at. So supporting me does make a

923
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 1: huge difference. And I am working on that. I am

924
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: working on the channels that they can just directly donate.

925
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: But I also after taking on all those payment processors,

926
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Speaker 1: I think it would be wise to just build my

927
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: own platform on my own site. There was something in me.

928
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: I'm not afraid of the movement, but there was something

929
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: in me that was low key terrified of people just

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00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 1: thinking this was a money grap for me because I'm

931
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: so passionate, I'm so about this work, and I knew

932
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 1: if it wasn't nobody, but me doing the work she's

933
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Speaker 1: not about. I don't want to just sit back and

934
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Speaker 1: watch her profit from verbally attacking the child.

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Speaker 2: Right So, people were.

936
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Speaker 1: Asking how can we support you? How can we support you?

937
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Speaker 1: And I just I was afraid of that. I didn't

938
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Speaker 1: want people like, oh, another grift like cloud Chaser, you

939
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,800
Speaker 1: know what I mean, because that will minimize the work

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Speaker 1: that I'm doing. If right now I were to like

941
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Speaker 1: put up a GoFundMe and then it gets all these donations,

942
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 1: I know for a fact the narrative is going to be,

943
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: which maybe I shouldn't care. I'll talk to my therapist

944
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,240
Speaker 1: about that, but I know for a fact the narrative

945
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 1: is going to be.

946
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Speaker 2: Like, see, this is why she did this. She just

947
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 2: wanted to make money.

948
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Speaker 1: So that's why I'm intentional about the channels that I

949
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Speaker 1: tell y'all to go through, because I'm not just telling

950
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: y'all to just give me money, give me money, give

951
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 1: me money, give me money. You can support my business.

952
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 1: But I'm not just asking for a big lump sum

953
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Speaker 1: of money like y'all like.

954
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 2: Her, like her.

955
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 3: I mean, you're better than that. You're actually doing work

956
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 3: that I think it's worth a million dollars right right?

957
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 2: And I told you know what's funny.

958
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Speaker 1: I told my son that yesterday because people kept telling me, like,

959
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Speaker 1: you need to make a gofunme.

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00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 2: You need to make a gofunme me girl. You could

961
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 2: right now?

962
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 1: People want to donate, and I am nothing if not

963
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: a strategic thinker, especially when it comes to my business.

964
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 2: Because I'm gonna be real. Could I have the first

965
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,399
Speaker 2: day it went viral and people like Kendrew saved the day?

966
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 1: Could I have put up some sort of crowdfunding and

967
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: got maybe one hundred K two three right? I could

968
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: have done that. I absolutely could. I could probably do

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00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: that right now. But I want to position myself a

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00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: leader here long term. So the money's gonna come. I'm

971
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: not worried about that. The money is gonna come. There

972
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: will be more opportunities, there will be people will continue

973
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: to support my site.

974
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 2: The bigger my brand grows. The money's gonna come, So

975
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 2: I don't feel like I have to make this desperate

976
00:49:58,160 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 2: move to grab that.

977
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Speaker 3: I love this abundant mindset of like. It will come.

978
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 3: The timing will align. You know you were meant to

979
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 3: be I think that you were meant to be doing

980
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 3: exactly what you're doing right now. I think that's exactly

981
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:11,720
Speaker 3: the right mindset.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. I appreciate it. And frankly, I was already successful.

983
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Speaker 2: I'm just pissed.

984
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Speaker 3: Off now you're successful and pissed.

985
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I already had money.

986
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 3: I'm fine.

987
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:27,919
Speaker 1: My business was here before this happened. I'm just irritated

988
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Speaker 1: by that shit.

989
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Speaker 3: I love it. Is there anything else that you want

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Speaker 3: to add before we stop the recording? This has been great,

991
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 3: Like you're such a breath of fresh air to speak to.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it. No, I want to add that I

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Speaker 1: appreciate you. I appreciate you in any platform, any person

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Speaker 1: that is intentional about telling this story and telling it

996
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 1: in the right way. As you said, people erase us

997
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 1: from the narrative. There are people blatantly like being biased

998
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: the other way, even a black platform, you know what

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00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: I mean. There are so many people that are just casual,

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00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: casually getting this story wrong just for the sake of

1001
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: views because it's viral right now. But you are intentional

1002
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 1: in getting the story right and telling the correct narrative,

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Speaker 1: and I appreciate you in any platform that does that.

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Speaker 3: Got a story about an interesting thing in tech, or

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Speaker 3: just want to say hi. You can reach us at

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