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Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast, Keep pounding. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast. My name

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Speaker 1: is Dan Hansas, and I am joined by a room

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Speaker 1: filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Westling, and Greg Rosenthal.

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Speaker 1: What's up boys? Hey whoa Tuesday show? Tuesday show? Usually

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Speaker 1: last year anyway, Um, we had a nice little Secret Santa,

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Speaker 1: and I thought, oh, it's holiday season, let's bring back

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Speaker 1: Secret Santa. Now brought it to the room for the

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Speaker 1: pre show meeting. I was like, no, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: no no. You brought it to the room about thirty

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Speaker 1: minutes before we started the show. Would have done that?

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Speaker 1: I thought you were going to say the NFL Christmas

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Speaker 1: is canceled on the Around the NFL. N We give

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Speaker 1: gifts at any time. You know. That's true. Plus it's

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Speaker 1: very Christmas specific. The NFL advised us keep it a

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Speaker 1: little more or generic. You know, we're not all Christians here.

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Speaker 1: Is that true that they did that? Are you just

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Speaker 1: making that up? And that is an absolute lie coming

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Speaker 1: from a former management figure. We're not all Christians, Gregg.

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Speaker 1: What do you got? Wow, I'm not Christian? Please tell

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Speaker 1: me it didn't. It would not offend you if we

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Speaker 1: talked about Christ now, it would not I I'm joking,

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Speaker 1: and I was, you know, I was. I think making

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Speaker 1: it clear that was a made up story on Earth

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Speaker 1: is happening. We are not even two minutes into this

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Speaker 1: tobaccle of an episode. I have an update on the

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Speaker 1: Old Mouser, Mark, Well, what is the old Mouser? The

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Speaker 1: Old Mounser is the gift that Mark gave me last year,

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Speaker 1: which was a like, well, it's her train. It was

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Speaker 1: an underground train that would allow West you know, it's

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Speaker 1: essentially just West Yes, from from his home by the

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Speaker 1: sea here under the entire United States to huck A

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Speaker 1: of liquidating the Baltimore Ravens to pay for it. It

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Speaker 1: feels like the project would potentially cost more than the

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Speaker 1: Ravens value. But yeah, maybe not. I had a tour

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Speaker 1: of space Exist facilities in Hawthorne, California, here right outside

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Speaker 1: of l A friend, Dahlia, her husband is involved with

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Speaker 1: space X and they are. You say this like anyone

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Speaker 1: knows what space. Everybody knows what space? So Dan didn't,

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Speaker 1: did Mark? No? I mean, I don't know exactly what

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Speaker 1: branch out of Elon Musk, who is also Tesla and yeah,

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Speaker 1: but Elon Musk is working on He wants people to

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Speaker 1: the exact same way as the old Mouser. It's like

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Speaker 1: the Concorde, except in train form. He's just come up

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Speaker 1: with this idea a year after someone in this studio.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like your intellectual property. So a massive lawsuit

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Speaker 1: with Elon Musk about to break out, Mark Cessler are

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Speaker 1: gonna have to dip into your coffers to get to

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Speaker 1: lawyer up here. I mean to bring it around. That

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Speaker 1: do it on Christmas Eve. That show Christmas is canceled Greg.

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Speaker 1: According to Greg, today's show, we'll feature a myriad of

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Speaker 1: topics related to the NFL. Right off the bat, We're

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Speaker 1: gonna dig in on the Monday night football matchup between

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Speaker 1: Um Uh, some fallout in Jacksonville after they fired head

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Speaker 1: We're gonna check in on Chris Westling's top ten lists

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Speaker 1: west Rights Bangers we after week Uh. This time he

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Speaker 1: The name of the piece is the Calls from the Booth.

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Speaker 1: It is what it is calling the game NFL dot

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Speaker 1: with the final game of week fifteen, played at Monday

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Speaker 1: Night Football history. Absolutely, But Whitner has been a problem

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Speaker 1: Jack's lady has some competition for the beach house. Who's that?

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Speaker 1: Remember Jack's lady of course? And I was in Miami

428
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Speaker 1: with my new beach house. Well it was a couple

429
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Speaker 1: of minutes from the beach. Look at our friend in

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Speaker 1: Trepid reporter Connor Or tracks down Kevin Gilbride, Tom Coughlin's

431
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 1: former right hand man, and Gilbride points out Kauflan built

432
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Speaker 1: at home down there in Jacksonville to retire to on

433
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Speaker 1: the beach. Where that's the type of coach the actual

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Speaker 1: beach right, He's closer than Jack a couple of blocks,

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Speaker 1: because why would you love would be nice though, if

436
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 1: the Jaguars are uh the NFL's inland beach house, if

437
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Speaker 1: you actually hired a coach that had a home on

438
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Speaker 1: the beach, I think everybody should be on board of

439
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Speaker 1: this now moving on the UH Tom Savage UH is

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Speaker 1: real is filled with occupants now and barreling through UH Texas. Uh.

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Speaker 1: He it will be the starter. Bill O'Brien, who had

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Speaker 1: you know those comments that irked Chris Westling and many

443
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Speaker 1: others um by saying that any decisions are not made

444
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 1: based on money. We love our quarterback room, but just

445
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,160
Speaker 1: get to it, Bill, and just admit that Rock Assler

446
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,200
Speaker 1: is a mess right now and you're sticking with Tom Savage.

447
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 1: Took a day, but that's what he did. It will

448
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Speaker 1: be Tom Savage is start UH in week sixteen, UH,

449
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 1: and they need another win. Do you think, Greg, that

450
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:52,640
Speaker 1: you've seen enough from Tom Savage. I think he could

451
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Speaker 1: win the ballgames here and get him in the playoffs.

452
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 1: I've seen enough that you got to give it a shot.

453
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Speaker 1: You know that he he and throw the ball down

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Speaker 1: the field. I think he had a better chance to

455
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Speaker 1: throw the ball down the field than Osweiler, who that

456
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,439
Speaker 1: was probably his number one weakness. He couldn't even keep

457
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Speaker 1: the ball in play when he tried to go vertically.

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Speaker 1: The Texans have playing They've been playing with half the

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Speaker 1: field all season. They don't throw outside the numbers and

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00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,159
Speaker 1: down the field because Ostwaller can't do it. And you

461
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 1: see when Savage comes in there, he opens up the

462
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,360
Speaker 1: whole field. You have more possibilities. You can go to DeAndrea.

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Speaker 1: They were aggressive with him. He had control of that offense.

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Speaker 1: He you could tell he's been in Bill O'Brien system

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Speaker 1: for three years. And O'Brien on Savages first drive, calls

466
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Speaker 1: a fourth and one shotgun pass on his first drive,

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Speaker 1: his debut drive, and then at one point calls ten

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Speaker 1: straight pass plays on a field goal drive. That's not

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Speaker 1: the play calling Oswelder was getting. So if you were

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Speaker 1: that much more confident in your backup, why well, why

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Speaker 1: wasn't the already play well? Here? The think he missed

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Speaker 1: two weeks and it was what week thirteen and fourteen

473
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Speaker 1: or so, with an infection in his throwing elbow. I

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Speaker 1: think that might have slowed this transition down a little bit.

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Speaker 1: But at this point you'd have to say, players like

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Speaker 1: new Copkins that have a voice in that locker room

477
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Speaker 1: gonna say you want to see me at my full power,

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Speaker 1: let's continue. We did. I mean, I cannot think of

479
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Speaker 1: a team though every time they go into the playoffs,

480
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Speaker 1: it seems it's not with the quarterback they originally planned

481
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Speaker 1: to have in It's t J. Yates. It's filling the blank,

482
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Speaker 1: it's this guy. It's like it's never according to Byan's

483
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,439
Speaker 1: precious quarterback room, DeAndre Hopkins would have revolted if they

484
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Speaker 1: stuck with brocks Waller. He was targeted seventeen times on Sunday.

485
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Speaker 1: It was actually it got to the point where he

486
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Speaker 1: was just forcing it at Hopkins, uh like five times

487
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Speaker 1: every possession. But Hopkins is a guy that wants he

488
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Speaker 1: wants the ball. He's gone through a very difficult season.

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Speaker 1: So having him involved in part of the offense as

490
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Speaker 1: they moved down the field and continued that come back,

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Speaker 1: I knew right then, there's no way they can go

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Speaker 1: away from the guy. I think your point that that

493
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Speaker 1: he's not a rookie is the big one. I mean,

494
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Speaker 1: he has been in this offense longer than Derek Carr

495
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 1: has been in his offense. It looks I mean, he's

496
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Speaker 1: been in the league for three years. He's not he's

497
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Speaker 1: not a rookie, and he's had continuity. It looked like

498
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Speaker 1: Garoppolo running the Patriots offense. It looked a lot like that,

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Speaker 1: and I think, to me, I don't even hate watching

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Speaker 1: the Texans anymore. They were an easier I think it

501
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: makes them more interesting, it makes them less a tediously

502
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Speaker 1: annoying going into playoffs. Plus like they're there. I know,

503
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 1: you know, by all accounts at this point, he's real.

504
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: But that's what the drop says. But did you only

505
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Speaker 1: bring up this point to get that in mostly, but

506
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Speaker 1: you have to admit watching the game like it's still

507
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Speaker 1: in your mind that not a hundred percent sure that

508
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Speaker 1: he's real? Payoff There was intense, not totally. You know,

509
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Speaker 1: a lot a lot of leg work there to get

510
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Speaker 1: to that punchline. I liked it. I'm not saying he's

511
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Speaker 1: a savior. He's still teams are gonna be able to

512
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Speaker 1: prepare for him. Now there's tape on him. Now there

513
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,719
Speaker 1: was no tape before. And you're still going into the

514
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Speaker 1: most important two games of the season with a guy

515
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Speaker 1: who's never made an NFL start. I mean four real, No,

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Speaker 1: I mean I mean real that it's not some sort

517
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Speaker 1: of conspiracy like a whole agram, like a Tupac hologram. Look,

518
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Speaker 1: I'm just putting it out, not ruling anything out. Well,

519
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: they don't have a clear path, by the way, they're

520
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: eight and six home to the Bengals, which is not

521
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: an easy matchup at Titans, which also should be tough

522
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Speaker 1: for them. So we'll see what happens. I like the

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Speaker 1: chemistry between Greg and Sydney. There was it was seamless.

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Speaker 1: But I have to mention something and I Mick Jagger

525
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: and Keith Richards. It was Sydney, you were and you

526
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: were nice enough to she drove me home from the

527
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: holiday party. So I don't like doing this, um, but

528
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: there's been another occurrence and it's gonna be the last

529
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Speaker 1: one because it's not gonna happen again where Sydney. I

530
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: don't know what was going on. I get in you know,

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00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 1: this came in last night. I get another text from her,

532
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: which is one of these ones where the boxes so

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00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: long that you have to click into the box, and

534
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,439
Speaker 1: it's like, what is this person thinking. I'm bringing it

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Speaker 1: to you because I think you brought some sense out

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00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 1: of it last time. Anyways, I'm gonna read it. It says, hey, Mark,

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Speaker 1: just one more question about my finance A largesse. Last

538
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Speaker 1: night I received an email from a consortium of Shanghai

539
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 1: based revolutionaries calling themselves the Final Light. They operate off

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Speaker 1: the Chinese mainland as a counterinsurgency militia, using brute force

541
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Speaker 1: to erase secret government factions at points east of Sri Lanka.

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00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: The Final Light is a grassroots, grassroots organization. It's just

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00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: trying to make its way in the murky underworld of

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00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: gangsters and white collar drug runners with cells scattered throughout

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00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,199
Speaker 1: Asia's Golden Triangle. They've asked if I'd be willing to

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00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 1: invest in their growing business. It's a chance to get

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Speaker 1: in on the ground floor and turn my seventy five

548
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: thousand that I net weekly into something meaningful. I know,

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00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: and you know, she says, I know. You said you

550
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: aren't good with money, which is true, I'm not. But

551
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: what do you think, she asked, should I pour my

552
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: liquid resources into this cadre of pro violence do gooders.

553
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: I believe in rebellion, but I definitely need help funneling

554
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: my wealth to a discreete European bank account, perhaps out

555
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: of Geneva, Switzerland or a nondescript burg in the Low countries.

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00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: You wouldn't buy chance, know anyone in the region with

557
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: an eye for deep shadow financial maneuvers, would you yours? Truly?

558
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: Sydney a k A new money sign up for Mr

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Speaker 1: Flames High School Economics class in the Hague, the Netherlands

560
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Speaker 1: today at www dot flame class dot com. M hmm,

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00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: I think she's run off the rails. Well, here's the

562
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: here's the issue, and I'm just going Sidney as a friend.

563
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: I want to let you know you gotta take this

564
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: stuff offline. This has to be cloak and dagger. You

565
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: meet in a coffee shop, uh, and you make sure

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Speaker 1: there's no bugs around you do not. You leave no

567
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: paper tril. You cannot leave texts about joining an insurgency

568
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: and and and bankrolling a violent coup scenario, much less

569
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: getting this is good. I'm taking notes us involved? Why

570
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: are you're you're implicating us? Well, what were you thinking?

571
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: Because because the last text you sent like this, Mark

572
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: immediately read it, um two hundreds of thousands of p

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00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,479
Speaker 1: But what were you thinking sending him another text? Well

574
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: then I gave him a ride home and I thought

575
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: he was in the crew. That makes sense. It is

576
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: trade a little too hot, it feels too dangerous, So

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Speaker 1: I'm not I got too much going on at home.

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00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: I can't get involved with Chinese insurgencies. How is this

579
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: betrayal taste. It's not great. It's not great, A little bitter. Okay,

580
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: speaking of betrayal, how did you know? How did Simone

581
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: react to the news that you were brought home by

582
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: another woman from the party? I see that simply something.

583
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: She's happy that I didn't spend on Uber so the

584
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: company couldn't work. Well, let's stick into that a little bit.

585
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: The company announced before that you can expense that sure,

586
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: and it's you have to go on your phone and

587
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: fill out all these forms for one cab ride, which

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00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: I would never do. So it's money saved. Mark doesn't

589
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: have great feelings about our expense report system. Well, that

590
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: sounds like another That sounds like a topic for another podcast,

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Speaker 1: the expense Report up later this offseason. Are moving on,

592
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: Chris Westling will write a banger Rookie of the Year

593
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Speaker 1: top ten. And I'll tell you what. Here's my initial reaction. Um,

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00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: God's the honest truth. God's honest truth. What do we

595
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: even need to do this for? Zeke or Zeke or

596
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: Zeke or maybe Dac. What are we even doing here?

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00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: Tell me why I shouldn't be looking at things that way? Well,

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00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: several reasons. There are other rookies performing well. That's the

599
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: first reason. Secondly, this has to serve as a public

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00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: service announcement for any people who don't watch football games.

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Speaker 1: And I think that someone besides Joey Bosa should be

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00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: Defensive Rookie of the Year, You're a fool watch the

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00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: Chargers play. Jalen Ramsey is very promising, maybe an All

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00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: Pro in the future. Leonard Floyd, Noah Spence, the two

605
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: guys on the Falcons count June can't all having fighting

606
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: rookie seasons, very promising. Joey Bosa already one of the

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00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: best players at his position. All right, let's start then,

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00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: after that was a good explanation, you're saying, yes, of

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00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: course Zeke and act or at the top of my list,

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00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: and they can't win Defensive Rookie of the Year. So

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00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: also also Zeke clearly above dac Ze clearly above Dac.

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00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: That does mean we shouldn't be breaking down who had

613
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: been the real standout first year players. And you have

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00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: joe Joey Bosa at number three. Any chance West if

615
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: he signs that contract, is in shape or doesn't have

616
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: that hamstring issue, that he could be at the top

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00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: of this list because you're combining. To be clear to

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00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: the listener, you're combining offense and defense. Combining offense and defense.

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Speaker 1: Top ten rookies. I don't think Joey Bosa. You you

620
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: have described Dan as Mark Gastino of the evolutionary Mark Gastino.

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Speaker 1: I believe it's a great comparison. He has that ceiling.

622
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: Zeke Elliott already is one of the best running backs

623
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: in the league and could have the best rookie season

624
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: in NFL history. So yeah, he's Zeke Elliott is number

625
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: one with a bullet for me, although if Joey Bosa

626
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: played all sixteen games, I would still say Zeke Elliott's

627
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: the Rookie of the Year compared to him, But you,

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00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: I think you'd have to say per game. Joey bosses

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00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: in the mix with some of the best players at

630
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: his position. I'm not saying he's better. That's why he

631
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: should be defensive Rookie of the Year with right, that's

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00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: he's not better than Miller and mac now, but he's

633
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: that he's in the mix where he's in the he's

634
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: in the top you know, five, six, seven pass rushers

635
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: in football. I like to play the ten year game.

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Speaker 1: Mark I'll throw this one to you. Who would you

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Speaker 1: rather have for the next ten years, Ezekiel Elliot or

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Speaker 1: Dak Prescott ten years. If Dak Prescott is going to

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Speaker 1: be a franchise quarterback for ten years, I'd take no. No,

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Speaker 1: that's that would be my assessment. Yes, that I would

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Speaker 1: take him that position over any other position. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna get I think, almost ten good years out

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Speaker 1: of Ezekiel at but running backs don't typically last ten years.

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Speaker 1: Give me the Hall of Famer. I think it's it's

645
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Speaker 1: it's a fair argument for me. I guess I have

646
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Speaker 1: not lived my life. I'm thinking from a fan too.

647
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: I've gone twenty five years without a uter back. I

648
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: want a quarterback well, and and Zeke safer. If you're

649
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Speaker 1: trying to paint scenarios where one of them tails off eventually,

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Speaker 1: it's a little easier to see that happening to Dak.

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Speaker 1: And yet I'm with you, Mark, I would take Dak

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Speaker 1: Prescott because that's how important quarterbacks are. And he really

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Speaker 1: looks like a good one, and you know, possibly a

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Speaker 1: great one. And you take that chance, you take a quarterback,

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Speaker 1: you know what's you know, it's the worst, Mark, And

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Speaker 1: this goes for both of us. We both could have

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Speaker 1: had Dak Prescott the seventh quarterback. Yeah, and it's and

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Speaker 1: these are painful tends to look back on. And actually,

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Speaker 1: if you want to, if you look at the whole list,

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Speaker 1: what I think is promising from one to ten is

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Speaker 1: that I don't care if if my team drafts a

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Speaker 1: rookie and he doesn't win Rookie of the Year. But

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Speaker 1: a guy like Jack Conklin, who you have at number six.

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Speaker 1: The Titans went into the off season saying we're going

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Speaker 1: to become this is a team. Conklin from day one,

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Speaker 1: plug and play absolutely helped make them become what they envisioned.

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Speaker 1: That is a true success story, not a sexy pick.

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Speaker 1: When it happened, they were nailed for passing up Laramie

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Speaker 1: Tunseill credit their GM trade up for Conklin, and to

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Speaker 1: watch Conklin just absolutely stonewall justin Houston in Sundays. Everyone

671
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Speaker 1: will know who John Robinson is two or three years

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Speaker 1: from now when they're playing multiple national games and their

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Speaker 1: winning playoff games. And Dan's not allowed on the bandwagon.

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Speaker 1: I got my own. I got my own. It's a

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Speaker 1: very sad bandwagon, but I'm on that jet span. This

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Speaker 1: is this is a bad year to be a great rookie.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Dak Prescott would be Rookie of the Year

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Speaker 1: basically any other year. Tyreek Hill, who's number four on

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Speaker 1: your list, I think he would have been Rookie of

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Speaker 1: the Year last year, maybe over Todd Gurley. He would

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Speaker 1: have been in that mix. That's how good Tyree Hills been.

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Speaker 1: He he would have certainly been it over Percy Harvin

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Speaker 1: won it. So I don't Sam Bradford. He might have

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Speaker 1: wanted over. Definitely, he would have wanted over Matt Eddie Lacy.

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Speaker 1: And this is a guy who's not even gonna be

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Speaker 1: considered because, you know, with good reason, because of the Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey two. When's the last time you saw a

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Speaker 1: cornerback with five pass deflections, a forced fumble, and an

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Speaker 1: interception in one game. He did that against the text

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Speaker 1: You got number five, So you would have him, even

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Speaker 1: though you think it'd be crazy to vote for anyone,

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Speaker 1: but both that you have Ramsey as your number two cornerback.

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Speaker 1: I have him number two defensive rookie. Leonard Floyd's in

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Speaker 1: the mixed. Dion Jones from Atlanta and poor Noah Spence.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't even get him in my top ten. He

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Speaker 1: belove most years. He would definitely be a surprise. Jordan

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Speaker 1: Howard's as low as ten. I mean, he's what he's

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Speaker 1: got to be in the top six or seven in

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Speaker 1: rushing yards right now? Is Michael Thomas who you have

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Speaker 1: a number eight on this list list if he was

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Speaker 1: not on the scene. But Jordan Howard over Michael Thomas,

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Speaker 1: that's my take. Howard's to ten, Michael Thomas you have

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Speaker 1: an eight here? Uh is he on this list? If

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Speaker 1: he's on any other team? Where is he? A little

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Speaker 1: bit of a product of where he's playing right now?

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Speaker 1: I don't know the answer that he's been He's been

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Speaker 1: really good. He's been their best receiver in a lot

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Speaker 1: of games this year on a team with Brandon Cooks

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Speaker 1: and Willie Sneed, who were also quality receivers. I don't

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Speaker 1: know how to answer that, Dan, I would. I would

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Speaker 1: also say that part of when you see this list,

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Speaker 1: it's teams knowing to draft for their own schemes, and

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Speaker 1: you see better rookie years from teams that aren't changing

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Speaker 1: coaches every five every five minutes and going from three

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Speaker 1: four to a four three, you get Michael Thomas. I

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Speaker 1: think the Saints new this is what we need and

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00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: we're gonna use him right away versus being stashed under

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Speaker 1: a coach that might not play him as much. He's

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Speaker 1: a talent, He's physically talented. I mean, he might be

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Speaker 1: the most talented receiver they've had. Where is Christian Hackenburg

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Speaker 1: on this list? I feel like there's a lot of promise.

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Speaker 1: Their second round pick, big arm really promising freshman year

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Speaker 1: at Penn State. I think he's like Tom Savage. I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure he's he exists. We might have to get

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Speaker 1: to work on that one. Some of your honorable mentions

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Speaker 1: I think show the work of someone that's watched pretty

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Speaker 1: much every game the season, well you know you. I

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Speaker 1: mean I think that the average fan, you know the Hunter,

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Speaker 1: Henry Yes, Pete Fantasy people know him. But yeah, some

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Speaker 1: of these other guys, Cody white Haired. Does the average

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Speaker 1: fan know who Cody white Hairs? No, Wesleyan's watched Chris

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Speaker 1: Jones Chiefs. Chris Jones is one of my favorites. He's

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Speaker 1: had a really good book. Jordan Howard, I'm gonna make

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Speaker 1: early in the season you you weren't too sure if

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Speaker 1: he was going to really be and I was a

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Speaker 1: hundred percent on board with you. I think the more

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Speaker 1: we've seen Jordan Howard, the more you like it him.

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Speaker 1: And he really does look like a guy that can

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Speaker 1: carry the load. He right now is seventh in the

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Speaker 1: NFL and yards from scrimmage, which is pretty impressive. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I like him. He reminds me. I think when I

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Speaker 1: first watched him, he reminds me of Anthony Thomas, remember

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Speaker 1: him thousand yard rusher for the Bears as a rookie

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Speaker 1: and never train similar style where they're both like big,

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Speaker 1: burly guys who try to run you over. Jordan Howard

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Speaker 1: I thought was too slow and if you let him

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Speaker 1: get started, he will run you over. I think teams

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Speaker 1: have to string him east to west, and he's done

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Speaker 1: a good enough job of sharp cutting enough to get

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Speaker 1: north and south. You look at this list, though, and

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Speaker 1: you have to say a team that we couldn't have

752
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Speaker 1: been less hopeful about the Bears two months ago. Could

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Speaker 1: you kind of get a sneak It's kind of a

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Speaker 1: sneaky rookie in your quarterback too, who's essentially never played

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. Along with your honorable mention there's three

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Speaker 1: Bears on here, and it saved the GM's job. I think.

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Speaker 1: I mean they, you know, lost out and there was

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Speaker 1: no promise I could sweep everyone out of there. I

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Speaker 1: see no reason for that GM to be fired. I

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Speaker 1: don't have any problem with anything he's done. He was

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Speaker 1: left with Jay Cutler. Barkley is a free agent. Two.

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Speaker 1: He's kind of an interest in free agent. Are they

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Speaker 1: gonna try to wouldn't surprise me if they signed him before,

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Speaker 1: you know, to try to get As a fan of

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Speaker 1: a team that is trying to get a quarterback in

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Speaker 1: this draft, I would love if the Bears said, let's

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Speaker 1: stick with Matt Barkley. Going by the way, I crunched

768
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Speaker 1: some numbers on Jay Cutler versus his backups since two

769
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Speaker 1: can't be pretty. Josh McCown, Brian Hoyer, and Barkley together

770
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: have a higher completion rate, higher yards per attempt, and

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Speaker 1: higher passer rating and lower interception rate and lower sack

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Speaker 1: rate than Jay Cutler, who's making twenty million dollars more

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Speaker 1: than them. Um. I thought the west of this is over,

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Speaker 1: and I thought another tradition is ending, which was Chris's

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Speaker 1: undying love for Josh McCown, but I guess that tradition

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Speaker 1: you know, and shipped into coaching. I think it's more

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Speaker 1: of a love of pointing out all the people who

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Speaker 1: still believe in Jake Cutler like he's some franchise quarterback,

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Speaker 1: have been misguided all along, and don't ever, don't ever

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Speaker 1: pick him to be a preseason m VP candidate. Please,

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Speaker 1: NFL dot com slash westling. Is there also a vanity

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Speaker 1: hope every I will I will say here, I don't

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Speaker 1: know how the translation is from our listeners to our readers.

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Speaker 1: You should check out the stuff that's being written by

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Speaker 1: It should be NFL dot backslash rank it. It's like

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Speaker 1: you could quickly, you could wait quickly type that in

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Speaker 1: and it's like you're ranking something every week. Adam rank

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Speaker 1: expect that. Now. A lot of lawyering up today. And

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Speaker 1: now it's time to talk about Mark Sessler, who has

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Speaker 1: Got a phone call and get what he was doing.

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Speaker 1: He wasn't calling some teen party line. He was talking

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Speaker 1: to some of the biggest names in the business that

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Speaker 1: call games. And it has resulted in Mark's latest long

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Speaker 1: form This is what's going on in the booth. Marks.

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Speaker 1: How about an over arching takeaway after talking to all

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Speaker 1: And it sounds like I'm just gonna say that, but

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Speaker 1: tough job in the sense that um I was listening.

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Speaker 1: podcast a couple of weeks ago, and I think colins

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Speaker 1: Worth is one of the best in the business, if

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Speaker 1: not the best color guy in the business. And he

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Speaker 1: said if you go into his mentions on Twitter, all

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Speaker 1: he's come a long way in this business, and you

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Speaker 1: on a big play in NFL. His addressed on a

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Speaker 1: of these guys don't get the credit they deserve. They

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Speaker 1: don't and it's change my opinion about a number of

849
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: them who I just you know, I was apathetic too,

850
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: but after you realize how much they care, my opinion

851
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: of them was changing. With Joe Bucks specifically, I think

852
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 1: the one thing that this is a guy that grew

853
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Speaker 1: up under under Jack Bucks, so he saw his dad

854
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Speaker 1: doing a certain way, and he's probably of all the

855
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Speaker 1: guys I talked to, the guy who still is the

856
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Speaker 1: old school prepare. He sits at his table and and

857
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Speaker 1: does it by hand. His board, his his with all

858
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Speaker 1: the names on there. He has it printed up at

859
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Speaker 1: kink Goes. And one reason I think that you've you've

860
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Speaker 1: seen the improvement talking to him is that he's been

861
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: with Troy Aikman for such a long time. And it's

862
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Speaker 1: a comment that reminded me of our own show, to

863
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 1: be honest, because a lot of times, uh, you know,

864
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Speaker 1: they'll go out to dinner on Fridays and Saturday nights

865
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Speaker 1: on the road, and he called Troy Aikman his his

866
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: best friend, like they are truly good friends, and that

867
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Speaker 1: he doesn't know how you could do the job without

868
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Speaker 1: that being the case, and that they just go out

869
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 1: and talk about life and if they do circle back

870
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: to talk about football. I talked about a conversation they're

871
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,760
Speaker 1: having about Dak Prescott versus Tony Romo, and they started

872
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: digging in Aaron Andrews, there a few others, and Joe

873
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: Buck basically said, hold on, save it for tomorrow. And

874
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Speaker 1: it made me think all how often we're sitting downstairs

875
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,879
Speaker 1: and we get into a discussion in someone those things.

876
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 1: Save it for the pot, and it's right you want

877
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 1: to bring it fresh. And he said that comes with

878
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 1: the trust that he has where he knows Aikman wouldn't

879
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 1: be offended to shut him down. The dinner of the

880
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: night before, but to say, let's do it live. But

881
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: the name of my memoirs is gonna be saved for

882
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 1: the pot. It's gotta be. Was it a nod to

883
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Speaker 1: um Dan that you opened your oral history with Tariko?

884
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: And not only that, but you put Tariko right over

885
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: McDonough sort of suddenly making it that was not that

886
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: was that wasn't that was not unsubtle or subtle or

887
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: planned in terms of the position of those two. I

888
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:49,320
Speaker 1: think Tariko and this this will rankle Greg and and

889
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: Dan specifically West less so and I'll tell you why,

890
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: because we've had a battle over text for probably three

891
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 1: and a half years now, where Greg and Dan are

892
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 1: anti Bob Costas, I don't know how else to put it,

893
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 1: and West has seen this, and so West is the

894
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: Western you know. Well, three and a half years later,

895
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: I still don't understand the bit after the pot. Like

896
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 1: Hostas is one of the reasons I that I loved

897
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: football growing up and I and I saw the young

898
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: Bob Costa is doing this thing and Tariko point he

899
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 1: went to Syracuse. You know, he was a huge Marv

900
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 1: Albert fan. But he talked about, you know, talking to

901
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: them who who got them into the business. He pointed

902
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: to Costas, he pointed to Marv Albert, and these guys

903
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,760
Speaker 1: were just like we were any and the average football

904
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:36,800
Speaker 1: fan is where you're obsessed with stuff. You're sitting in

905
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: science class. All you can think about his football. All

906
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 1: you can think about is the kind of career you

907
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: want to have that would be fun versus working in

908
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: a cheese factory or something. I don't know what you know.

909
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 1: If if Bob Costas is so great, where is your

910
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 1: precious white whale in your long form? Turned you down? Didny?

911
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: That's classic Costs? No, it's not. He's not. He's not

912
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: typically a play by play guy right now for football,

913
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 1: So I you know, and I we tried, didn't happen,

914
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't think that you know. You know.

915
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: Two of my favorite stories Charles Davis telling that Johnny

916
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: United anecdote, anecdote about where United is basically told a

917
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 1: TV exact off because the TV exact said, oh yeah,

918
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,280
Speaker 1: we don't correct former football players and Hall of famers,

919
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 1: and United was basically like, how am I supposed to

920
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: get better at my job if you don't give me feedback?

921
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: That's a rotten way to run a business. That was

922
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: a good anecdote. And Matt money Smith, I won't ruin

923
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:31,959
Speaker 1: the punch line, but it pays off when he's talking

924
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: about radio instead of I thought money Smith he showed

925
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: up in this a number of times because he's great.

926
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 1: We know him and he is he's got a great

927
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 1: sense of humor, and uh, it came through in this.

928
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: I thought, I love I love the note cards that

929
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: you put up of Dan Helly's when he was the

930
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: play by play guy, that those are his right. Yes,

931
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 1: that was really cool. And I thought something Phil Sims said,

932
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:57,439
Speaker 1: it's kind of is his great advice that you better

933
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: really love football. It's kind of a good It's a

934
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: good piece of advice for anyone who gets into sports

935
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: as a career because I think you better really, really,

936
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: really truly love it, because I think that carries you

937
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: through it. You know it was I think it's it

938
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: would be the one thing that would knock a lot

939
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: of people out along the way. Two quick things like

940
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: talking to the color anilyst number one, the Mike Mayock,

941
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Speaker 1: Phil Simms, Charles Davis, you know the guy you just

942
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 1: mentioned all of them that they Phil Simms. Their tape

943
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: preparation is incredible, And it's the kind of thing where

944
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: you where you guys do a lot of it. I

945
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: do a little bit less, but we try to inform

946
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,439
Speaker 1: our opinions with it, and that they do the same

947
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: thing that they say you cannot know a team without

948
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: doing that work, that they could never go into a

949
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 1: booth and call a game without doing these seven or

950
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 1: eight hours and the multiple games they do each week.

951
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 1: So I mean, don't well, some of the Playboy talking

952
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 1: to some of the best, the better people here. But

953
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 1: a lot of people will read this or listen to

954
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 1: this conversation and be like, I can't even listen to

955
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: a lot of games because there's so many bad guys

956
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 1: in this business, um, and the But if you're interested

957
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 1: in the people that know what they're doing and are

958
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: good at their jobs, that's what marks pieces about you.

959
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 1: Hope that people can tell the difference if you've done

960
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: your homework and watch the games. But at the end

961
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 1: of the day, and Greg has talked about this a

962
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: few times, you're doing it for yourself, pride in a

963
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 1: job well done. Um. You can check it out NFL

964
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 1: dot com slash calling the Game by Mark Sessler. Uh,

965
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: great work, buddy, should have pride in a job well done. Yeah. Also,

966
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 1: I want to say your last two long forms, the

967
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 1: one with Belichick letters. My favorite part always in the

968
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,760
Speaker 1: Sessler long forms is the the window into the soul

969
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: of a coming of age Mark Sessler, the Mark Sessler

970
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: of eighteen to twenty two or whatever, whom I never knew,

971
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,800
Speaker 1: but you can tell. But right, but I love that

972
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: part of you, that how much you love sports and

973
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: in which part of sports you loved. That's my favorite

974
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:55,479
Speaker 1: part of your long forms. I don't think I would

975
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: have written this if I you know, I can, you

976
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: can the people can read it up topic. There's a

977
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: reason that broadcasting was a huge deal to me growing

978
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 1: up and why I wanted to know more about what

979
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 1: they do, and so that's why I did it, all right,

980
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: So check it out. And uh, that's it for today's show.

981
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: We will be back on Thursday with of course, our

982
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: recap of the Thursday night football game between the Giants

983
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: and the Eagles, and then we'll break down all of

984
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: the yes week sixteen games and and a reminder, because

985
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 1: it is Christmas, what breaking news, breaking news, what we

986
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 1: got in the podcast studio. The NFL is fine, The

987
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: Giants a hundred and fifty thousand dollars, Ben McAdoo fifty

988
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:44,359
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. They've also moved the Giants fourth round pick

989
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 1: in two thousand seventeen to the back of the fourth

990
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: round after all the compensatory picks of that round for

991
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 1: illegally using walkie talkies against the Cowboys. Alright, so you

992
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 1: know your Patriots fans West can that up now? They

993
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: moved it from They moved it from the middle end

994
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 1: of the fourth to the very end of the fourth.

995
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 1: What is fair? Feels fair? There's no comparison, oh favored

996
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 1: Nations status. It feels it's better than texting down to

997
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: the sideline that got someone four games. If I recall,

998
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 1: the punishment was handed down. Nice work by the league

999
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:25,839
Speaker 1: on this one. I don't see. I don't see any

1000
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: suspension in here on an episode. Goodbye, closed the book.

1001
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 1: It's been done alright, interesting, so we'll see the fallout

1002
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 1: from that. We'll be back on Thursday, and then, as

1003
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, Saturday, when all the games get played,

1004
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 1: we will do a Saturday night pod, uh, and then

1005
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: get it out to you before the holidays. There's our

1006
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 1: Christmas gift, all right, that's it. This is Dan Hansens

1007
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: signing off for Quiet Storm, the mail Man, the Boss

1008
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: and new money behind the glass. It's gotta be careful.

1009
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 1: I mean, people can track this stuff down till Thursday.