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Speaker 1: podcast is getting the band back together. Welcome to another

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Speaker 1: edition of the Around the NFL Podcast. My name is

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Speaker 1: Dan Ansers and I've joined in a room build with

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Speaker 1: heroes Mark Sessler, Chris Westling and Greg Rosenthal. What is up? Boys?

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Speaker 1: And what man I mean? Man? Back together? Eightieth time

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Speaker 1: in four weeks? When are we not together? For those

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Speaker 1: that may be new to the show, uh, Greg? During

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Speaker 1: this high school days in New England, formed a Prague

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Speaker 1: Western Massachusetts alternative brought out Western mass Um acid rock emo,

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Speaker 1: a hybrid of some kind. Greg played, They tickled the ivories,

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Speaker 1: I believe and did box and the band was called Delaware.

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Speaker 1: I don't remember the true except like we were Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Some fourteen year olds and I sang in a band,

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Speaker 1: I would say it was more they might be giants esque.

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Speaker 1: I mean we got at yeah, they might be giants

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Speaker 1: I wasn't in yeah, I wasn't trying to croon with

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Speaker 1: okay and no, let's please never. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: do that to this. What is the birdhouse in my soul?

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Speaker 1: That that was the first ance that I ever went to.

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Speaker 1: They might be giants with greg Smith College Frank Black opened.

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Speaker 1: They played at the spring good Ratio. Smith College, by

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Speaker 1: the way, what is that? A all women's school dotted

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Speaker 1: Northeastern claim Springfest in two thousand and two. I sat

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Speaker 1: it out. It sounds like I should regret it. They

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Speaker 1: were fun. I think I don't think they were by Yeah,

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Speaker 1: All right, here we go, it's the Wednesday Show. A

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Speaker 1: lot to get to. Uh, some big news. A general

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Speaker 1: manager got axed, a offensive coordinator was let go. So

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to use different words than fired out of respect,

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Speaker 1: be or it could like that Jaguars punter who acts

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Speaker 1: they believe. Yeah, I think it was handsome. I think

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Speaker 1: we get to that. UM. Also coming up, I should say, uh,

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Speaker 1: we're going to take a closer look at the playoff

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Speaker 1: picture and uh preview Thursday Night football and then uh,

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Speaker 1: and perhaps most importantly, UM, we need to talk to

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Speaker 1: Newsday in New York. So we'll talk to him at

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Speaker 1: We'll just leave it at that for now. Let us

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Speaker 1: get to the news. How couldn't it How does how

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Speaker 1: couldn't it happen? Where they gotta keep the other random

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Speaker 1: they were gonna do it? Me? What was that? That

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Speaker 1: a year. It seems like there's a lot on the table.

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Speaker 1: It's like we can, let's find the only stadium that's

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Speaker 1: I do remember like that because it was I believe

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Speaker 1: it was a Thursday night football game and we were

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Speaker 1: here that the last Rams game ever. You weren't You

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Speaker 1: And like that's what this, that's what's gonna happen in Oakland.

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Speaker 1: the playoff pictures. So many things, so how many things

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Speaker 1: can happen uh in the last three weeks. But as

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Speaker 1: as we get into it, maybe we'll we'll kind of

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Speaker 1: take turns, you know, throwing a team out there and

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Speaker 1: talk about their path or where you see them going,

462
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Speaker 1: whether people are sleeping on a team, or people are

463
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Speaker 1: not realizing that the team's already dead. That's what the

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Speaker 1: conversation is about. Let's dig into the playoff picture a

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Speaker 1: little bit. Mark Sessler, Uh, you're the first person I

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Speaker 1: just locked eyes on and it was a gorgeous view. Alright,

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Speaker 1: so myself get us going. I mean, the fascination for me,

468
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Speaker 1: because I feel a lot of the NFC is set

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Speaker 1: and it is personal for me, is what is happening

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Speaker 1: in the a f C North, A division that I think,

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Speaker 1: you know, three weeks ago, I would have just said

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Speaker 1: it's Pittsburgh's and they don't look like a team that's

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Speaker 1: about to crumble down the stretch. And now there is

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Speaker 1: very much a possibility that that division could come down

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Speaker 1: to the final week because you're Pittsburgh and your seven

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Speaker 1: five and one. You have a half game lead over

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Speaker 1: the seven and six Ravens, but you got the Patriots

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Speaker 1: and the Saints on the road the week after that,

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Speaker 1: and you close with the Bengals team. So let's say

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Speaker 1: you basically need to get to nine wins in this

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Speaker 1: division if you're Pittsburgh to not get into a last

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Speaker 1: week scenario. That could be ugly you've got to win

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Speaker 1: two of those three. That's a tall order if you're Baltimore,

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Speaker 1: and I think there's a lot of belief in the

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Speaker 1: Ravens in this place. Your seven and six, but you

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Speaker 1: could easily easily be eight and seven heading into because

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Speaker 1: you go on the road to the Chargers in week sixteen,

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Speaker 1: heading into a final game with the Cleveland Browns at home,

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Speaker 1: and the Browns play the Broncos this Saturday night and

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Speaker 1: then play the Bengals. That's two winnable games that would

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Speaker 1: bring them to seven, seven and one, and then I mean,

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Speaker 1: is it going to happen? It's there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: bizarre improbabilities there. But the Pittsburgh schedule plays against them.

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Speaker 1: If they're gonna be a team that fails to show

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Speaker 1: up against the Patriots, which they do annually, and then

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Speaker 1: cannot handle a high powered stay Its team the week later,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of It makes it very exciting the

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Speaker 1: final three weeks? Would that be? Yeah, it's looking too

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Speaker 1: far ahead, but like, is there any chance that's like

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Speaker 1: playing for Mike Tomlin's job if they if they if

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Speaker 1: they lost six straight games to lose the season, I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I always feel so important. Sunday is so

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Speaker 1: important to both teams because the Patriots are looking to

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Speaker 1: get a buy but the Steelers if they lose this game,

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Speaker 1: but you're the scenario you're laying out is why, And

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Speaker 1: I'm all in with you, right down to the Browns

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Speaker 1: playing in week seventeen and what else could you ask for? Mark?

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Speaker 1: Just even talking about this is a possibility. But if

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Speaker 1: the Steelers take care of business on Sunday, I think

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Speaker 1: this is all well, then it's over. Then I could

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Speaker 1: see then they go to and one because they nail

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Speaker 1: the Bengals, who could and you go not but it's

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Speaker 1: at home. But it's not that crazy for the Browns

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Speaker 1: to have a playoff meaningful matchup in week seventeen. It's crazy.

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Speaker 1: It's amazing even that they have a meaningful matchup this

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Speaker 1: Saturday night. And you gotta win that one, obviously if

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Speaker 1: you're the Browns, and then I think you can start

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Speaker 1: getting a little carried away wondering what could happen. I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's a gimme to go to I don't

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Speaker 1: think any game for the Browns is necessarily a gimme,

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Speaker 1: but certainly not a road game against the Denver team that,

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Speaker 1: yeah they're banged up, but they've been pretty good at

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Speaker 1: home this year, and they're not They're not a pushover

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Speaker 1: by any means. I love it. I love that we're

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Speaker 1: talking about the Browns, uh flying through. You can tell

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Speaker 1: that Siciliano is all fired up this week. Mark's fired up.

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Speaker 1: He's got a whole Yeah, he was like, he put

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Speaker 1: it out there, He's putting it out on social media,

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Speaker 1: the different ways the Browns can make the playoffs. He's

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Speaker 1: just left, well, how about it? You know, be a professional.

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Speaker 1: You're you're a broadcaster. You're not supposed to have a

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Speaker 1: rooting allegiance. Wait aren't, so you're saying you don't. Don't.

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Speaker 1: This is not about me or anyone in this room.

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00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: It's about other people that, yes, you can't, can't have

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Speaker 1: it both ways. If you don't take us seriously, then

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Speaker 1: we get to be fans of teams, all right, Wes,

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Speaker 1: you're up. I look at the Packers, a team which

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Speaker 1: Football Outsiders gives I believe less than a seven percent

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Speaker 1: chance to make the playoffs. However, if the following things

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Speaker 1: happened this weekend, the following reasonable things happened. The Packers

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Speaker 1: win in Chicago that's the least reasonable part of this.

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Speaker 1: I agree. That's that's the big that's the big thing.

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Speaker 1: If the Vikings lose to the Dolphins, possible possible, two

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Speaker 1: pretty equal teams right now. The Rams beat the Eagles

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Speaker 1: very possible. The Saints beat the Panthers smelled from Chris West.

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Speaker 1: The Jaguars beat the Redskins very possible if all of

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Speaker 1: those things happened. Can I make a point here? The

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Speaker 1: Packers will chance to win if they win out according

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Speaker 1: to five Okay, they go from I don't know seven

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Speaker 1: percent to having a possibility, and the rest of their

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Speaker 1: schedule makes it very possible. I read elsewhere West that was,

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Speaker 1: but you're right, and I was looking at their sched

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Speaker 1: two and you don't want to get too excited because

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Speaker 1: the Packers have been underwhelming all season. That's that could

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Speaker 1: not be more true. But if they beat the Bears,

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Speaker 1: everything else, the Vikings need to lose twice, the Panthers

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Speaker 1: lose once, the Redskins lose once, the Eagles lose once,

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Speaker 1: and the Packers went out they are in. It's it's

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Speaker 1: not gonna happen. I don't I don't foresee a sixth

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Speaker 1: seed being that dangerous, although you never know if they

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Speaker 1: a team can turn their season around in the final

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Speaker 1: three weeks, like the two thousand twelve Ravens for instance,

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Speaker 1: which if we had a podcast back then, we would

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Speaker 1: have beyond buried when the Dolphins dropped them like forty

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Speaker 1: five to seven in in Week fourteen. You never know

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Speaker 1: what could happen. But the Packers have kind of like

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Speaker 1: shown no ability to win three straight games, so that

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Speaker 1: that's the that's the trick. I think you guys are

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Speaker 1: right that if they managed to win three straight games

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Speaker 1: eight wins with the tie, because you know, you only

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Speaker 1: have seven losses, there's a solid chance the Vikings don't

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Speaker 1: get there. Part of their problem though, is the Vikings

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Speaker 1: have like a seventy percent chance according to all these

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Speaker 1: analytics site because they're in first place. Uh they're in

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Speaker 1: the sixth spot right now, because they have that tie,

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Speaker 1: and because their schedules pretty soft. So if they get

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Speaker 1: to eight wins like they're almost they if they win

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Speaker 1: two out of three, the Vikings they have a great chance.

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Speaker 1: Because all these teams have been headed in the wrong.

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Speaker 1: It is interesting that the two teams we brought up

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Speaker 1: made high profile firings that were essentially because of the

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Speaker 1: offensive side of the ball, and the Vikings are the

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Speaker 1: third team in that mix. Greg, what do you got.

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Speaker 1: I'm keeping an eye on our Thursday night football game,

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Speaker 1: which we'll talk about in a little bit, so we

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Speaker 1: don't need to break it down, but the impact that

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Speaker 1: that game could have in terms of the a f

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Speaker 1: C and the chance that the Chargers still have with

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Speaker 1: three weeks left of the season to go ahead and

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Speaker 1: be the number one seed, to go ahead and be

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Speaker 1: great to have some home games here at the stub Hub.

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Speaker 1: You want to hear a home crowd, maybe get the

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Speaker 1: one seed, or maybe it wouldn't happen in uh, some

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Speaker 1: Ravens or whoever is coming in here with just rage

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Speaker 1: and whatever. Just be weird. Let's get weird. NFL. I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's crazy for the Chargers to go to

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Speaker 1: Arrowhead and win that game. I think the Chiefs are

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Speaker 1: the better team, but the Charges are certainly capable of

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Speaker 1: beating anyone. They're not going to have the tiebreaker over

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs, so they need the Chiefs to lose two games.

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Speaker 1: But the Chiefs are going to Seattle the following week.

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Speaker 1: So if if you could beat Kansas City on Thursday night.

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Speaker 1: Kansas City has to go to Seattle win that game

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Speaker 1: to keep the number one seed. It is not a

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Speaker 1: crazy scenario for the Chargers to take care of business

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Speaker 1: and their schedules not cake either. They have to icult,

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Speaker 1: They have a very difficult schedule. They have to beat

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Speaker 1: the Ravens on a on a fun little Sunday night

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Speaker 1: or Saturday night game on NFL network, I believe. And

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Speaker 1: then I think they finished with the Broncos. So it's

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Speaker 1: not in Denver it's tough. But here we are three

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Speaker 1: weeks left of the season. I don't think that's a

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Speaker 1: crazy scenario. The playoffs go through the stub? Are we

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Speaker 1: calling it the stub? I mean, we just have the

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Speaker 1: Patriots are gonna get the first seed? Is what everything

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Speaker 1: you're hearing? Everyone has their two games back. You're right

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Speaker 1: the Patriots In theory, yeah, that the Atriots route is

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs losing those two games I mentioned. But then

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Speaker 1: the Chargers also uh stub against Baltimore that win over Pittsburgh,

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Speaker 1: and I Dan, I believe you're in this in this

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Speaker 1: crowd as well, that that's the game they would have

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Speaker 1: dropped and we could have started to wave goodbye to them.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna go to the They've had one playoff game

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Speaker 1: in eight years. This is this team is not a

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Speaker 1: flawed team the same way as the previous ones. They

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Speaker 1: have one loss in Sweet three, and I trust them

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Speaker 1: to I think they can beat the Chiefs. The interesting,

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Speaker 1: the interesting thing about them is I think you should

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Speaker 1: lock it up. They have Melville Warren. I don't even

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Speaker 1: trust them, even though even though I'm I'm a fan

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Speaker 1: and I'm looking, I'm hoping it happen, just because of

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Speaker 1: recent history. Here's the thing that Chargers are dangerous. Five seat.

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Speaker 1: If the Chargers are going to Houston or Pittsburgh or Baltimore,

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Speaker 1: wherever it is, in the first round of the places.

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Speaker 1: They actually have a better road record this year than

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Speaker 1: they do home record, and they and they've don't come

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Speaker 1: into this. They don't have much of a home field

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Speaker 1: advantage the Chargers either, So either way, I think they

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Speaker 1: got a up. But give him the one seed. That'd

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Speaker 1: people behind the Bridget two thousand have been trying to

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Speaker 1: mass produce it with all this demand around the holiday season.

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Speaker 1: Are fans trying to buy up bridgets? Are are lonely

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Speaker 1: searches for the Bridget two thousand are definitely going through

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Speaker 1: the roof this time of year. Mark, do you have

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Speaker 1: another one? Um? I could cook one up and I

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Speaker 1: have one. If you guys, don't go ahead, go ahead.

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Speaker 1: You haven't gone yet. This one is you guys. You

657
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Speaker 1: know you're not gonna want to hear this, but I

658
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Speaker 1: already when you talk about paths that aren't impossible, this

659
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Speaker 1: show is too predictable. But like if you talk about

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Speaker 1: if you want to talk about the Packers exactly, if

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Speaker 1: you want to call what's what's overly predictable? Okay, maybe

662
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: me bringing back into the playoff conversation, but just listen

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Speaker 1: to it. Hear me out because if you're gonna hear

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Speaker 1: out the Packers, you should hear out the call for

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Speaker 1: Dan Hansens. You just got hired by Newsday. You here,

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Speaker 1: here we go, You're ready. They gotta win out just

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Speaker 1: like the Packers. That might be the biggest basketball because

668
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Speaker 1: it's a flawed team. But who they playing home against

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Speaker 1: the Titans? Please? Maybe? Please? They're not better than the Titans,

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Speaker 1: please alright? Lock it up at it on the road

671
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Speaker 1: against the Colts. Okay, that's a tough matchup. Am I

672
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Speaker 1: gonna say that they have no chance? No, I'm not

673
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 1: gonna say that. And then home against the Cowboys, home

674
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Speaker 1: game against the best team NFC East. Not an easy road,

675
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Speaker 1: but not impossible. Okay. Then the Vikings need to lose

676
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Speaker 1: three out of their last four. Okay, and they've already

677
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Speaker 1: lost one, So they need to lose two of their

678
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Speaker 1: last three. Excuse me? So they have to lose Dolphins

679
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: at home, Lions on the road, Bears at home. That

680
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Speaker 1: can happen. When's the last time the Giants played a

681
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Speaker 1: team that wasn't incredibly shorthanded? I think it goes back

682
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Speaker 1: to their boy. They're playing very well right now, Chris, No,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm talking about the opponent that the teams that

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Speaker 1: they've beaten. You can only Sanchez Redskins that Chase Daniel,

685
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Speaker 1: Bears and Eagles defense missing six of eleven starters, the

686
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Speaker 1: Buccaneers without Lavonte David and Gerald McCoy, and the forty Niners.

687
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Speaker 1: We're gonna bring up the Giants without Odell Beckham. If

688
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Speaker 1: we're gonna go down this road against the Sanchez Redskins,

689
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Speaker 1: they can only play their opponent. Christ I agree. I'm

690
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Speaker 1: just saying, let's be realistic about who they are, unlike

691
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Speaker 1: the New York media who is not realistic about who

692
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Speaker 1: this team is. The Packers just need to lose one

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Speaker 1: more game, okay, Bears on the road, Jets on the road,

694
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Speaker 1: Lines at home. The Pathers need to lose two of

695
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Speaker 1: three Saints at home, Falcon's home Saints away. The Eagles

696
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,760
Speaker 1: need to lose two of three Rams away. Texans teams

697
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: are terrible. The biggest problem is a bad team like

698
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Speaker 1: the Giants has to win three games against teams that

699
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Speaker 1: will not be at their undermanned worst. This is the

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Speaker 1: problem with you dismissing them, though, West None of those

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Speaker 1: teams are dominant teams. A road, a Titans team on

702
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Speaker 1: the road home and the Cowboys team on the road.

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Speaker 1: If if it was if they were going to Dallas,

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Speaker 1: I'd say, oh, yeah, that is too much task a

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Speaker 1: middling Giants team, I'll give Let's just say, I'm not

706
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Speaker 1: even saying it's gonna happen. I mean, yeah, to your argument,

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Speaker 1: Football Outsiders, who is devo A is rather high on

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Speaker 1: the Giants in general higher. They have the highest d

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Speaker 1: v o A of any team in that division, which

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Speaker 1: should tell you something about d v A. Then I

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Speaker 1: think they've been a better team than their record throughout

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Speaker 1: the season. I think they're an average type of team.

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Speaker 1: They have a higher chance to make the playoffs Danny

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Speaker 1: than the Browns do, at least one point four. They're

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Speaker 1: giving him one point four. They have one point the

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Speaker 1: other the other two, the other two sites they check out,

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Speaker 1: which you're saying there's a chance ESPN, FBI, and then uh,

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Speaker 1: five thirty eight they give them almost like no chance

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Speaker 1: at all. It's not it's not I'm not saying it's

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Speaker 1: gonna happen. I'm just saying so. And also it doesn't

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Speaker 1: matter what any of these polsters think. Anyways, that's great,

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Speaker 1: that there's all these percentages flying around. The Giants could

723
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Speaker 1: just go win all their games, take care of business,

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Speaker 1: and let the rest. If you trusted the pollsters, Hillary

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Speaker 1: would be in the one right now. They're unmasked over,

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Speaker 1: you know, stopping on the Trump's grave, and then they

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Speaker 1: got there the total. First of all, they gave Trump

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Speaker 1: a much better chance than almost any other site, and like, hey,

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Speaker 1: that's how percentages. First of all, that's true. I mean,

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Speaker 1: of course you didn't get it right, but when you

731
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Speaker 1: give someone a chance, that means that they have a

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Speaker 1: get You have a very adorable analytic mind. But there's

733
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Speaker 1: also something called the human experience where the Giants could

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Speaker 1: just spin magic. And you're the one that says, anything

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Speaker 1: can happen to all these teams, the Giants would be

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Speaker 1: I would be one of the most magical things to

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Speaker 1: happen in a long time that an eight and eight

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Speaker 1: Giants team sneaks into the playoffs and any line manning

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Speaker 1: goes on one final run. In this podcast, studio explodes

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Speaker 1: into a thousand sharks because it was a year ago

741
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,959
Speaker 1: we were burying Nick Foles and the Eagles is having

742
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Speaker 1: no shot. We don't know anything. Ultimately, all right, Do

743
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Speaker 1: anybody want to throw out one more? Do we want

744
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 1: to move on? We're just going like crazy, Let's move on.

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Speaker 1: This is a good conversation. Do you have one les

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Speaker 1: no that that's a good note to end up? Anything

747
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Speaker 1: is possible in the NFL. Add that to a possible

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Speaker 1: catch phrases dan is hot and masculine. Remember the last

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Speaker 1: time she said? All right? Um that a Bridget no

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Speaker 1: longer seems to infuriate Mark as much. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: couldn't be more. It's it's coming from a car, was

752
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Speaker 1: so obvious. Good one, Mark. Not that one doesn't bother

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Speaker 1: me because I find her. It's just so we know

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Speaker 1: what it is. It's just man acted joke, and it's

755
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Speaker 1: four weeks later hopping it up. It's hilarious. He's start

756
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Speaker 1: to get angry. I literally could care less. I think

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Speaker 1: I think one of the reasons we haven't heard from

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Speaker 1: her and why I think Bridget three thousand needs to

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Speaker 1: work on the comedic timing, just like timing that not.

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Speaker 1: You know, she's updated, she's not. She's not my design

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Speaker 1: to comedy bot, but she's working on it. She's got

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Speaker 1: bit all right, Let's she's no Scarlett Johansson in her

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Speaker 1: you know she doesn't have that type of or software. Uh.

764
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Speaker 1: Here we go Thursday night football. Let's talk that game

765
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Speaker 1: that the Chargers have their chance. Greg, You're excited. Uh,

766
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Speaker 1: this special time for a franchise that's been looking to

767
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 1: get over the hump for years and years. Bury some ghosts,

768
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 1: um and or eradicate some ghosts. And here's a big opportunity.

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Speaker 1: But the challenge is even bigger because you've got to

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Speaker 1: go to Arrowhead uh to face the Chiefs. Uh. And

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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes who's now going next level. Now he's doing

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00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: a notebook passes. Uh. He's completely revolutionizing the position. And

773
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Speaker 1: is that the absolute height of his powers? This is

774
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Speaker 1: like Michael Jordan in just realizing his great potential. It's like, what,

775
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: how are you gonna win in this situation? I mean

776
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: the rate the Ravens had the recipe to do it.

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Speaker 1: They were they were a player two way. But the

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Speaker 1: Chargers have, at least under Anthony Lynn, showed no ability

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Speaker 1: to be competitive with the Chiefs, which is a concern.

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Speaker 1: I think that these two coaching staffs have matched up

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Speaker 1: three times. It hasn't been competitive any one of those times,

782
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Speaker 1: including a very similar situation in Week fifteen last year,

783
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Speaker 1: when the Chargers could have put themselves into playoff position

784
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 1: and they got freaking dropped. I'm a little worried about

785
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,320
Speaker 1: a few things with the Chargers up front. We haven't

786
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 1: seen the offensive line protect rivers well lately. Sam Tevy

787
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: is the right tackle and is among the worst right

788
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,720
Speaker 1: tackles in the league according to profoball Focus. Their center

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Speaker 1: Mike Pouncey has been struggling, not sure if he's injured,

790
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 1: which he often is lately, giving up a lot of pressure.

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Speaker 1: And you got Dfour, You've got Justin Houston. You've got

792
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Speaker 1: Chris Jones who has a sack every game for ten weeks.

793
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Speaker 1: That's problematic on the road on a short week. And

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Speaker 1: you haven't seen the Melvin Ingram Joey Boasts show together yet.

795
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: Ingram has been very quiet over the last month. I

796
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: think he has one QB hit plus sack in his

797
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,959
Speaker 1: last four games. And this is a great player. And

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Speaker 1: so you want to see those two guys getting after

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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes because I think that's what the Ravens did

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Speaker 1: really well. I think between Mahomes having right there with

801
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: Rogers is the best armed talent in the NFL, and

802
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 1: frankly expands more possibilities on a given play than Aaron

803
00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: Rodgers and then Tyreek Hills speed. The Chiefs can do

804
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: so much more on a given play than any other

805
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Speaker 1: team in the NFL. The possibilities are almost endless, and

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00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 1: I think you'll see that's the difference between the Chiefs

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Speaker 1: and the Charge. Let me ask you a question. I

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Speaker 1: trust your reasoning in these in this realm of professional football.

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Speaker 1: And have you seen so far the Kareem huntless Chiefs.

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Speaker 1: Has there been a drop off? Yes? Yes, I think

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Speaker 1: Spencer where is a guy who, by the way, is

812
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Speaker 1: injured this week and not yet practicing. He's a guy

813
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 1: who runs short, choppy steps, and they don't like him

814
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 1: getting to the perimeter. They only like to use him

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Speaker 1: in the middle of the field, so they use Damian

816
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: Williams for all the outside stuff. So they're trying to

817
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Speaker 1: use two backs to do what Kareem Hunt could do,

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Speaker 1: and neither of those guys is nearly the playmaker that

819
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Speaker 1: Kareem Hunt is. I know that they have more rushing

820
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Speaker 1: yards that this always happens when a star running back

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Speaker 1: goes out that can do so much, they'll use a committee,

822
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Speaker 1: and they'll get more rushing yards and that will show

823
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Speaker 1: up in our statistical package week after week. But rem

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Speaker 1: hunt the way that they used him in the air

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00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: game as well, like he's irreplaceable. I just think that

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Speaker 1: he's last week, I thought I heard him. Yeah, absolutely, Anecdotally,

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Speaker 1: their drive success rate has probably plummeted. They're still scoring points,

828
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,959
Speaker 1: but they're getting three announce in punts more often. I wonder,

829
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Speaker 1: I like Tyreek Hill described his injury is bad coming

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Speaker 1: out of last week, and he has that hell, he

831
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Speaker 1: was limited in Tuesday along with he said where we

832
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Speaker 1: might get Eric Barry back. But then on the flip side,

833
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Speaker 1: like if Melvin Gordon, who sounds like he's gonna play

834
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Speaker 1: in this game, if he weren't in because Austin Ekeler

835
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Speaker 1: is also not out, he's out as well. Like that

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Speaker 1: for me would be a chief swin because I don't

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Speaker 1: know how what you do here. The chargest thing is

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Speaker 1: they don't turn the ball over. But getting Gordon back

839
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Speaker 1: evens the playing fields. These are these are the top

840
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Speaker 1: two teams in the league according to the Botsiders in

841
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Speaker 1: terms of efficiency. I mean, this is an amazing way

842
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Speaker 1: to wrap up the Thursday schedule, and it is an

843
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 1: opportunity as much as logically the Chiefs are better. Hey,

844
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Speaker 1: Philip Rivers, I've been talking about him as you know,

845
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Speaker 1: one of the most underrated quarterbacks ever. He's got a

846
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Speaker 1: shot to win an m v P. I'm not counting

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Speaker 1: it out. If you go to Kansas City, you got

848
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Speaker 1: to Kansas City and you just drop a handed guy

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Speaker 1: who says there's too many guys in the n I do.

850
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, if Rivers went to Kansas City

851
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 1: and outshine Mahomes, if then he beat the best, the

852
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,959
Speaker 1: beat then he beat the best defense in football at home.

853
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 1: It's really hard to do the Ravens. The Ravens are

854
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 1: one of the best statistically, you know, all right, one

855
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 1: of the best. You're right, uh in l A and

856
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 1: then you finished it off and then you got the

857
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 1: one seed I at least could see a ground swell.

858
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: So he needs to do something special. Mike Williams has

859
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: been making. I'm amazed Mike Williams only has five thirty

860
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: yards because every time he makes a catch it just

861
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 1: seems enormous. He's gotta make special places you kind of need.

862
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 1: You need Derwin James to go say, hey, I'm the

863
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: defensive rookie of there. You need their stars on the Chargers.

864
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: Of course we always knew it was in Greg, but

865
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 1: now I've been waiting, We've been talking about this for

866
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 1: five years. This all kind of checks out to me.

867
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: You're basically a Chargers fan, though, yeah, no I'm not.

868
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: But you can appreciate other in other teams. It doesn't

869
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: pain me the same way like when they lose as

870
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 1: or if they lose in the playoffs. Let's say, as

871
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: the Patriot, do you think George Kittle or anybody's better

872
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: than travel with Skelsey is right now, with this quarterback

873
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: and in this offense, I think Kittle is a better

874
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: all around. If if you could just take one guy

875
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: who had the best season, I think it's Kittle. I

876
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: think Kelsey is amazing. Kittle is a better blocker, and

877
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: it shocks me to say this. He's better after the

878
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,240
Speaker 1: catch than Kelsey. But Kelsey's better at using his body.

879
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: I think in traffic. Let's pick this game. Let's see now.

880
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:37,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I I think that I think the Chargers

881
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: can hang. They really can. I think they're going until

882
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 1: the end. But I think this is a twenty seven

883
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: like twenty five type feel Kansas City. This is a

884
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: this is one of the legit home field advantages they're

885
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: gonna it's a short week, like that's a huge factor.

886
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: It would be a victory if you could hold the

887
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: cheese under thirty in that building. And probably I don't

888
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:56,879
Speaker 1: think it's a victory if they don't. I think any

889
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: losses is a big issue. That would be if your

890
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,479
Speaker 1: defense of them keep them under thirty points and you lose,

891
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: that's a that's a big bummer. Uh, Chiefs. And I'm

892
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 1: locking it up. Oh oh oh, And guess what And

893
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: I now that I am will get to this on

894
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: the preview show. I have fallen out of the race

895
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 1: and I'm just gonna enjoy what's shaping up to be

896
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: a great super Bowl. What are you talking about? Well,

897
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 1: it's gonna be very hard, put it that way. So

898
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 1: from my perspective, I think I'm too far out. So

899
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 1: I'm enjoying this battle between the kissing cousins. Um Uh.

900
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 1: That feels like psychological wear warfare. If my team, if

901
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: I my team was two games out through like with

902
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 1: six or seven weeks to go, and my coach was like,

903
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 1: we're just gonna sit back and enjoy like Patriots and

904
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: Dolphins go for the ape. You put in the lock

905
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 1: trophy on my desk in October in a bit of

906
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:56,399
Speaker 1: psychological warfare, but I I labeled it as such on

907
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 1: Twitter two seconds later. I don't know how this would

908
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: qualify psychological. Well, you're like, oh, I'm just gonna sit

909
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: back and not care any more. Nonsense. We have seven

910
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 1: weeks left of the season, right, seven minutes left. You're

911
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 1: down by two game. Thing about four games I've been

912
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 1: struggling three al right, who cares? But my point is

913
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 1: I'm picking the Chargers. I'm not gonna lock it up.

914
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna lock it up. Wow, we gotta lock off.

915
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: I'm not locking it up. I'm not locking What was

916
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 1: that whole thing about. I was just more. I was

917
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 1: kind of into this race game, really into the locker race.

918
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: But I um So and West locked up. It's the

919
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: only reason they're playing the NFL season right now, exactly.

920
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: But I I this is more. I'm rooting for this.

921
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,320
Speaker 1: I'm rooting for a fun Thursday night. Daddy's gonna have

922
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 1: a couple of Tito's and watch and watch the game,

923
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be fun. And what would be better

924
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: than Philip Rivers going down the field and winning a

925
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,720
Speaker 1: ball game in the fourth quarter at Arrowhood? Yeah, Patrick

926
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: Mahomes doing his n need Jordan's thing. My my head,

927
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: in my cold heart, my my my head agrees with West.

928
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: I almost thought about locking up for the Chiefs. I

929
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: don't like the Andy Gus Bradley matchic. But there's no

930
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 1: way I'm gonna do that. And since there's no repercussions,

931
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 1: why wouldn't I pick the ch That's who I'm rooting for.

932
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 1: That's what I want to happen. No, I hope happens.

933
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: You've already given up on the Locks. Why don't you

934
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: just make it interesting? Hey, you never know, you never

935
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: know you will gonna You're not gonna try to lose.

936
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: I mean, you never know. This could go this my

937
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 1: my lock situation. I think I was three under five.

938
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 1: It could be like the famous Marshall falk Uh come

939
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: back in the picks on NFL game day morning in

940
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: two thousand eleven, or like or or the rob or

941
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: the rob Riggle come back. No, I'm making this up,

942
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: or the rob Riggle come back because you're in last

943
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,720
Speaker 1: place that no one cares about. I'm serious, I'm different.

944
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 1: I really are defest in the pics. And there was

945
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: one time Terry Bradshaw was down nine games, would tend

946
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 1: to play. He didn't give it up. He kept You

947
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 1: don't even watch that show. This isn't that I'm gonna

948
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go Bradshaw ninety nine. You don't watch that show.

949
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:58,120
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966
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,879
Speaker 1: did Tiki Barber give up in two thousand seven when

967
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:02,879
Speaker 1: he was four back with six to play? No, he didn't.

968
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 1: He kept picking those Sunday night games. Rights, we all

969
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: see what you're trying to be little They're they're great

970
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: pick battle because for another year, it's it's not over.

971
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 1: I'm saying it's not over for you for like a

972
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: month now. We're not playing into a second of this,

973
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 1: all right, coming up now and then and this is

974
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 1: this is the only reason I'm here today because by

975
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 1: way of introduction, we um last week we decided we

976
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 1: we deserved that VP vote, you know, and uh and

977
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 1: then we did a little research and we found out

978
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 1: that the man that runs the UH Pro Football Writers

979
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: Association by runs, I mean he's the president, is Bob Glauber.

980
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: And uh, it's time for a discussion with Bob. Quite frankly, Bobby,

981
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 1: you there, Yes, I'm here. That sounds a little bit, uh,

982
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 1: a little bit terrif like, Uh, Bob is like the

983
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: Bob is like the uncle that I didn't even know

984
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 1: until I was like thirty four years old when I

985
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 1: started beating him an NFL events. Uh. He's been at Newsday,

986
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,760
Speaker 1: a big time New York paper, as an NFL columns

987
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 1: since ninety two. But Bob also grew up on the

988
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 1: other side of the tapan Zee Bridge uh in Westchester

989
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 1: and actually lived in Rockland County, where I'm from, and

990
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 1: I didn't. Yeah, he grew up in the cold right

991
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,879
Speaker 1: next to the cold town Pearl Riverend, New York. Uh

992
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 1: so so suburb Bob. Bob grew up in Nanuette, or

993
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: didn't grow up in Nanuette. He lived in Nanuette for

994
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: over a decade, which was the the arch rival of

995
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:43,439
Speaker 1: Pearl River, and we played the Little Brown Jug game

996
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: every year. This is the this is real small time life.

997
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,760
Speaker 1: That's town life that Bruce wrote about. But here's Bob Glauber.

998
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. Bum Well, thank you very much, gentleman,

999
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: and it's just a pleasure. I've known you guys a

1000
00:51:55,640 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: long time. I've admired your ascent to them the upper

1001
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 1: reaches of NFL communications. No, seriously, you got I really

1002
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 1: I go back to our time, but not the press room. No,

1003
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: I go back to the time in the press room

1004
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: at Lucas Oil Stadium, when you guys are you know,

1005
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 1: four Ham and Eggers, just trying to make your way

1006
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 1: and now you know your big time and kind of

1007
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: all around the world. Yeah, Bobby, Bob is one of

1008
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:26,280
Speaker 1: those guys, like he's just been around. Who Bob started

1009
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 1: the journal news or made his bones also the paper

1010
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: I started writing at, but since nine two has been

1011
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:35,919
Speaker 1: at Newsday. Who stays at one newspaper since nineteen ninety two?

1012
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 1: Clauder is doing something right. It's a it's amazing. I

1013
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:42,320
Speaker 1: am so grateful for Newsday. It's it truly is amazing

1014
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: because the business has changed so much. It's incredible. I

1015
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: feel like we're, like I called Newsday an oasis substability

1016
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 1: and just a mad business, crazy business. And you know,

1017
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 1: it's not like just locked into one job doing the

1018
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 1: same thing over and over. It there's so much variety

1019
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 1: in this and you guys know it's it's it's the

1020
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: greatest thing going and to be able to do it

1021
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 1: for a long time, I I'm eternally grateful, very cool.

1022
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: So Bob Bob is a good dude. And and first

1023
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 1: of all, you're at the owners meetings in uh In,

1024
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 1: Texas right right now? How's your hair today? Hands this,

1025
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 1: by the way, it's still all right. I think it's

1026
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: I'm about two weeks two to three weeks out removed

1027
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: from my most recent haircut. It's called the Gentleman's Contours,

1028
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: the name of the haircut, and uh so it's kind

1029
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: of still in the back end of its prime before

1030
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 1: I need to get another tune up. All right, Is

1031
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 1: there a lot of product in use or no? I yes,

1032
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 1: there's a lot of product, a lot of conversation, a

1033
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 1: lot of dan Lass. Will come into the office with

1034
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: his hair untouched, and then he'll stand up and kind

1035
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 1: of shift his body around so the entire news from

1036
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 1: can see him take his gel that was sent to

1037
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,399
Speaker 1: him by the company and sons to put it through

1038
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 1: his hair, and it's like an in office thing, and

1039
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 1: then he sort of sits down at his keyboard like

1040
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 1: that's a normal thing for a man to do in

1041
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: a newsroom. No, he really does have incredible hair. And

1042
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 1: I say that to him every time I see him.

1043
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 1: All you guys have your most you know, just stinctive features,

1044
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,439
Speaker 1: and I I love the fact that I've have nicknames. Sure,

1045
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: I think all of you, right, what are they? Rosenthal

1046
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:12,240
Speaker 1: who gets younger every time I see him as Benjamin

1047
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 1: Button all right, Westling Westling, who is a very well

1048
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 1: read young man who loves to write and his y'all

1049
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 1: are good writers, very good writers, great writers. But I

1050
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: call him um uh Bartleby the scrivener Edgar Allan Poe

1051
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:36,439
Speaker 1: ref School. Yeah, I would prefer not to. I can't

1052
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,399
Speaker 1: think we went over this and uh Sessler, of course,

1053
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 1: the agreed Brown's fan and uh Handas I just call hands.

1054
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 1: But you know, hair, it's just the hair, so you've

1055
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: called the hair. Yeah, many a winter we need to

1056
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 1: have Bob on every week. It just feels good. So

1057
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just I hope you don't mind that

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00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 1: we go in this direction a little bit bit. But

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00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 1: it's just there's just so much pent up man here,

1060
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 1: because I've never been on your No, it's it's great.

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00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm thrilled. We'll see if you say that

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00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 1: at the by the end of this segment. Alright, alright,

1063
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,439
Speaker 1: I've been forewarned ahead. All right, So here's the situation, Bob.

1064
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 1: So we have, as you alluded to yourself, we've been

1065
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 1: on the rise in the industry. Um our podcast is

1066
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 1: a global brand, to be quite frank with you. Uh

1067
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 1: and uh we're influential in that in that sense within

1068
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 1: the sphere, the podcast sphere, which no big deal, but

1069
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 1: like podcasts are kind of a big deal in our

1070
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 1: industry now. So put it all together, and uh, I

1071
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 1: feel like we have a voice in the in the

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00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 1: football cognoscenti if you will, okay, yes, I'll agree with that.

1073
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 1: You have voices, yes, yeah, collectively and individual yes. So

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00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 1: we're talking and we love talking about the m v

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00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,879
Speaker 1: P rays and it's it's so fun to to really

1076
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 1: figure it out because there's especially this year, who's gonna

1077
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 1: win MVP? Who fell behind this we who's who's catching up,

1078
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:03,280
Speaker 1: who's a dark horse. We're just talking about Phil Rivers.

1079
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 1: What if he goes off on Thursday night and Arrowhead?

1080
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 1: Is that by him? Uh? Some stock in the MVP race,

1081
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 1: all that good stuff. But the one thing we don't have, Bob,

1082
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: uh is an MVP vote. And it got us thinking

1083
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 1: we don't need four m v P votes, we just

1084
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:22,240
Speaker 1: need one and it would be one that we all

1085
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: collectively come together and and before UM I throw it

1086
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:30,840
Speaker 1: back to you, Bob, we did UH prepare a statement

1087
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:35,359
Speaker 1: a formal pitch that you're gonna hear over the phone here,

1088
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: but a letter will follow, a certified letter UH to

1089
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 1: your long island of state later. Okay, So here it

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00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 1: is with without without further ado, Mark Sessler. It will

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00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 1: be notorized, of course. Mark Sessler reads a prepared uh

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00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: statement to you, Bob Glauber, President of the Pro Football

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00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:03,799
Speaker 1: Writers Association. Dear Lord Glauber, we humbly kneel before you

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00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: with a request to make things right. We understand the

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00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 1: guidelines of the hard working noble pf w A. Yes,

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00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 1: it makes sense for most of the NFL's in house

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00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 1: media limb to be kept outside the doors of your organization.

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00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 1: Someone like Daniel Jeremiah should not be allowed to vote

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00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 1: on the m v P. Totally on board with that.

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Speaker 1: But there is a foursome inside our building who have

1101
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 1: given their day by day lives to covering this game.

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00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 1: Not just tracking one team and maybe catching a few

1103
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 1: prime time tilts when you can, but every single contest

1104
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 1: all season long. This four pack of football nerds even

1105
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 1: includes a duo name the scientists Chris Wesley and Greg Rosenthal.

1106
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 1: West studies every play of every game and overcame cancer.

1107
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 1: Greg studies every play of every game and does a

1108
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 1: good job with that. Balancing out these zeolots are Dan

1109
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 1: Hans is a Jets fan and yours truly a Browns fan.

1110
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 1: We've never jumped ship, which should tell you something about

1111
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: our loyalty to the sport we cover. Are we NFL

1112
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 1: writers HM NFL research notes. The four of us have

1113
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:09,919
Speaker 1: combined to write more than four articles for NFL dot Com,

1114
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: Humble Brag, and we live in America box checked. Our

1115
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 1: commitment to observing every player from every team in every game,

1116
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 1: every week for years and years on end makes this

1117
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 1: forsom the Around the NFL Podcast uniquely qualified to cast

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00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 1: one unified m v P vote. We will make you proud,

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00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 1: my Lord. A true leader does not hide behind the rules.

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00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 1: He or she creates new boundaries to match the changing

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00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 1: times and, in this case, the evolving world of NFL coverage.

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00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 1: You have the chance to spark a revolution and change

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00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 1: football forever. The pig skin is in your court. Can

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00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 1: I get an amen? Amen? Bob? The floor is now yours.

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Speaker 1: I mean that was brilliant. I I humbly accept or entreaty.

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00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 1: I find it incredibly thoughtful and passionate and um impressive,

1127
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 1: and begging is off the charts. I love it, fantastic.

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00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 1: You can never go wrong begging and I and I

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00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 1: hereby bequeath you an m v P vote for however

1130
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 1: you want to name it. You know, the fearsomeforcom or

1131
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 1: whatever your there. The heroes just keep going great, So

1132
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 1: the heroes, the heroes shall have a vote for the

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00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 1: m v P in the context of it shall be

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00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 1: another important voice in caffany of voice and v people.

1135
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 1: Now that's untoward, Bob, what you got the other shoe drop?

1136
00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 1: That was untoward. But here's the thing. Here's the thing.

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01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 1: What which m v P are you talking about? How

1138
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 1: about the Associated Press? Okay, you're talking about the Associated Press.

1139
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 1: That is the that is the recognized MVP award. I

1140
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 1: know you guys have your own and that's that's great. Uh,

1141
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 1: And Sporting News they do a nice job whatever, But

1142
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 1: we we want the big Tamali. You want to go

1143
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 1: for the Gusto hands is correct? You want a P.

1144
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 1: You want the a P m v P vote to

1145
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 1: go to the heroes, have one from now, from now

1146
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 1: and forever, right correct, or at least until you're no

1147
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 1: longer in office or we are no longer around. Well now,

1148
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 1: I don't know how the this is gonna be tough.

1149
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 1: Letting you down easy on this, but I'm not the

1150
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 1: gatekeeper on this one. Oh, you're passing the bucklet what about?

1151
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 1: But here? Is it not true that, uh, we're not

1152
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 1: even allowed into the Pro Football Writers Association because we

1153
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 1: work for the NFL. There are guidelines for the for

1154
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 1: the Pro Football Rayers of America, by the ways Profitable

1155
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 1: Prayers of America, that if you work for a team

1156
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 1: or the league, that there is not a membership. Um spot,

1157
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 1: don't don't I mean? I Bob, I have my rejection

1158
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 1: letter from Jim Trotter framed on my wall, so I

1159
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 1: do understand. Yeah, and now he's here. We haven't been

1160
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 1: able to think about this, Bob was the I've done

1161
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 1: my research. Bob, you were the vice president of the association,

1162
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 1: that Dick Cheney of the whole operation, and one can

1163
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 1: only call a man, right you? And what what could yeah?

1164
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 1: I mean what could only be described as a power

1165
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 1: grab by Bob? He probably pushed Trotter out the door

1166
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 1: the NFL media, knowing full well that he would be

1167
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 1: rescinded and stripped of his power. So that's a good example.

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01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 1: Jim Trotter is a former president of your association. Now

1169
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 1: in a bloodless coup, you took over and he's not

1170
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 1: even is he even allowed to be in the organization now,

1171
01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 1: he asked, he's cast out. Here's the thing that, Bob,

1172
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 1: you have influence in the in the industry, and you

1173
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 1: know these AP votes are jokes. Sometimes fifty people have them.

1174
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 1: It's also the Associated Press votes. And I'm not going

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01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 1: to name any names, but there are certain television organizations

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01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 1: that have votes and they give it to on air

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01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 1: personalities that have their assistance do the votes they have.

1178
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 1: You have certain beat writers that may have just joined

1179
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:26,840
Speaker 1: the b and they have to send it out to

1180
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 1: other people and say, hey, can you help me with

1181
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 1: with this? And that's the people voting, and we can't

1182
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 1: get a vote. All right now, I can't listen. I

1183
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 1: can't answer for them. I truly can't really. And do

1184
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 1: you have an AP vote? So you have some influence,

1185
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 1: You've probably when you couldn't, you could certainly I'm one

1186
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 1: of fifty. I know the ap right. Barry Wilmer kind

1187
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 1: of uh you know, organizes the voting process. He sends

1188
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 1: out the correspondence. Berry Wilmer's a long time national writer

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01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 1: and him is for Associated p W I L N

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Speaker 1: E R W I. I know Barry are Romans, all right,

1191
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:11,440
Speaker 1: he's a rockman man. So you can find his spouse.

1192
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 1: I will I will find use. I will knock on that.

1193
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 1: Very very Wilmer handles it. And he asked me about oh, man,

1194
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 1: I don't know, fifteen years ago, just you know, when

1195
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 1: I started doing maybe twenty, I don't know. It's it's

1196
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 1: the years algo together and man that you better believe

1197
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 1: that's a that's a high honor, right, yeah, I mean

1198
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 1: imagine how it felt to Bob Costs, his assistant. It

1199
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 1: was one of the best days of his life. See

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01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 1: you came out with it. Well that that Dal, did

1201
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 1: you realize what you just did? You made news? Oh man,

1202
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 1: go back, go go, You're gonna erase this or you're

1203
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:56,040
Speaker 1: gonna let this go. I'm I'm you know, unlike uncover

1204
01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 1: the hypocrisy. I think the media, especially at this time

1205
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 1: in the world, to be worried about truth. And that's

1206
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:04,120
Speaker 1: all I'm about is the truth. John, Let it give

1207
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 1: me some truth. What we're dealing with here is do

1208
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:12,120
Speaker 1: you put more weight on integrity or the appearance of integrity?

1209
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 1: Of course I put more weight on integrity. And I

1210
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 1: hope that no one, no seriously and and I'm I'm

1211
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 1: gonna just take all the joking aside. Seriously. I absolutely

1212
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 1: take this and the a p All Pro vote extremely seriously.

1213
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:28,240
Speaker 1: I have a lot of discussions about it, and I

1214
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 1: try to do the best possible job every every year

1215
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 1: because you know what, this is important stuff. Can I

1216
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:38,280
Speaker 1: give you a compliment? Sure? The All Pro voting the

1217
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 1: last couple of years has been better than ever. Better

1218
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 1: than ever, I think so. I think five six years

1219
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 1: ago it was almost a joke some of the some

1220
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 1: of the guys getting elected for the All Pro team.

1221
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:52,360
Speaker 1: In the last couple of years, I think people have

1222
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:55,840
Speaker 1: been doing a lot more homework. You know, I can't

1223
01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 1: speak to anybody, although I do consult with other All

1224
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 1: Pro voters and we just we have discussions, you know.

1225
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 1: You know, one of the people I trust a lot

1226
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 1: is Jenny Princess from Sports Illustrated. I think she's one

1227
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 1: of the best football minds in America, and I give

1228
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:15,440
Speaker 1: her opinions a lot of weak. Um. I talked to coaches, um,

1229
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 1: former coaches, quite a few former coaches, and you know,

1230
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 1: people who who know what they're seeing. So yeah, it's important.

1231
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 1: And you listen, you guys are as smart as anybody

1232
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:28,920
Speaker 1: in the business. There's there's no doubt. And I'm not

1233
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 1: sucking up. It's just it's true. There's there are a

1234
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 1: lot of smart people who are watching this game and

1235
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 1: who are studying it very closely, just because just because

1236
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 1: they're not, you know, one of fifty you know, voters

1237
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 1: in this somewhat it's not arbitrary, but you know, it's

1238
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 1: just it's just because you're not selected doesn't mean the heroes,

1239
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean the hero's voice isn't hurt. All right,

1240
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 1: thank you, Thank you for having this conversation and an

1241
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 1: honest process. And we're gonna go after Barry will in

1242
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:00,720
Speaker 1: there next because we're not gonna stops the basel where

1243
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:04,520
Speaker 1: where this this our conversation ends, but the journey continues.

1244
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:06,960
Speaker 1: And I do think that these pfw A rules are

1245
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 1: out of out of date. I mean they were written

1246
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:11,680
Speaker 1: before a lot of the I mean, think of all

1247
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:15,120
Speaker 1: the conflicts of interest, A lot of a lot. There's

1248
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 1: a lot of conflicts of interest. You don't have to

1249
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 1: work for a league or team to have them. And

1250
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:21,439
Speaker 1: I think, I think in an organization like that could

1251
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 1: have the intelligence to kind of pick out who who

1252
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:26,960
Speaker 1: could be part of such a thing. Well, I will

1253
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 1: say that we have had a lot of discussions about this.

1254
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:32,960
Speaker 1: Sometimes there's a slippery slope that you go down because

1255
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:36,480
Speaker 1: not everyone kind of falls into the same group. You

1256
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:43,040
Speaker 1: have some you know, team hired writers are you know,

1257
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:46,240
Speaker 1: have have access to every single thing going on, whereas

1258
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 1: writers for I guess for lack of a better term,

1259
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:52,240
Speaker 1: mainstream media do not have that. So how do you

1260
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:55,200
Speaker 1: how do you you know, kind of walk that line. So, Rosie,

1261
01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 1: it's it's very it's deep, and it's and it's complete.

1262
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:04,600
Speaker 1: It's basically like the JFK assassination parts what's that it

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Speaker 1: feels like the JFK assassination sort of part two. It's

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Speaker 1: that much of a it's a wormhole or spit, you know. Um.

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Speaker 1: Bob Glabber is a good sport. He's a good man,

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Speaker 1: and he has a new book out by the Way,

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Speaker 1: Guts and Genius, the story of three unlikely coaches who

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Speaker 1: came to dominant dominate the NFL in the eighties. It's

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Speaker 1: a book about and this is you know, I talked

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Speaker 1: about it all the time growing up in Pearl River,

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Speaker 1: you know, after church and there's Poppy sitting on the

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Speaker 1: couch watching those classic NFC East games on his brown

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Speaker 1: couch uh couch seat and drinking his routier and eating

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Speaker 1: his pretzels. This book is about Parcels, it's about Gibbs,

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Speaker 1: and it's about Bill Walsh and what else? Bob, why

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Speaker 1: did you write the book? Well, I wrote it because

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Speaker 1: I'm I like NFL history. I actually lived that era.

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Speaker 1: I started covering football in those great days. It's a

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Speaker 1: different time in football, and it's kind heart to relate

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Speaker 1: to now because you know, free agency has has really

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01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:05,360
Speaker 1: evened out the talent pool and you don't have these

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Speaker 1: great long standing rivalries from year to year. You have

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Speaker 1: great games, and you have a great league and you

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Speaker 1: have a great product, but you knew every year who

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Speaker 1: your team was, who your quarterback was, who your coach was.

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Speaker 1: And those three coaches, in particular, Parcels, Gibbs and Walsh,

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Speaker 1: We're very, very unlikely. When they started in the nineteen

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Speaker 1: seventy nine, if someone had told you, okay, over the

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Speaker 1: next decade, over the next twelve years, I'm gonna give

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Speaker 1: you three names. These guys are gonna be Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame coaches who are going to preside over potentially the

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Speaker 1: best decade of pro football. And that's Bill Walsh, Bill Parcels,

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Speaker 1: and Joe Gibbs. If you had heard that in seventy nine,

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Speaker 1: you would have said, what are you talking about. I've

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Speaker 1: never heard of these people, because that's how obscure they

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Speaker 1: were when they came into, you know, into their jobs,

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Speaker 1: and they kind of gutted it out early. They all

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Speaker 1: thought they were gonna get fired within two years of

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Speaker 1: of getting hired. They didn't think they were gonna make it,

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Speaker 1: and they persevered and they really it changed the sport.

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Speaker 1: And I find it amazing incredible that all thirty two

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Speaker 1: of today's NFL coaches, even the interim coaches, they are

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Speaker 1: all part of either the Parcels or Walsh coaching tree.

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Speaker 1: And seven, yeah, thirty, of thirty seven Super Bowls since

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Speaker 1: Walsh one his first one, have been won by either

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Speaker 1: wolfsh Gives or Parcels or someone on their coaching trees.

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Speaker 1: And that includes seventeen of the last eighteen and it

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Speaker 1: will and it will soon be eighteen in the last

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Speaker 1: nineteen because they're all on either of those trees. Remarkable,

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Speaker 1: who is who is the one another one? What do

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Speaker 1: you mean? Oh? Bill Cower was the one who was

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Speaker 1: not on either tree, the only one. He's on the

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Speaker 1: Schottenheimer tree. So it's not you know, it's not from

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Speaker 1: the Parcels or wolfsh trees or give street now gives

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Speaker 1: tree was kind of kind of non existent. He just

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Speaker 1: kind of came and went. He was this brilliant flash

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Speaker 1: of a coach who won three Super Bowls with three

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Speaker 1: from quarterbacks. And you could make a case is the

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Speaker 1: greatest coach of all time based on those restrictions that

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Speaker 1: he had a quarterback and or limitations. Um, those other

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Speaker 1: two guys were you know, they were all incredible coaches.

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Speaker 1: But I think the legacy left behind, especially by Parcels

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Speaker 1: and Walsh, it continues to reverberate in today's game. What's

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Speaker 1: the most what's the predominant offense in today's NFL. It's

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Speaker 1: the West Coast offense forged by Bill by Bill Walsh

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Speaker 1: in Cincinnati, oddly and on the banks of the Ohio River,

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Speaker 1: on the bank of the Ohio with Burt, the infamous Burt,

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Speaker 1: the famous Virgil Carter, who couldn't throw a ball thirty

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Speaker 1: yards without it being intercepted. But Walsh came up with

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Speaker 1: this system, perfected it, grew it, and other coaches have

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Speaker 1: kind of taken that and run with it. And what

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Speaker 1: I found amazing is that, you know, both Parcels and

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Speaker 1: Walsh had this real desire to help others. And Parcels

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Speaker 1: got it from his basketball coach, Mickey Corkrane, his high

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Speaker 1: school basketball coach in Oradell, New Jersey, and he says,

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Speaker 1: Mickey always told me, you gotta help others, you gotta

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Speaker 1: do it. It's it's your responsibility. And Walsh got it

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Speaker 1: from being passed over by Paul Brown in ninety six

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Speaker 1: when he could have been the Bengals head coach. And

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Speaker 1: you know, Bengals fans have heard this, but you know,

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Speaker 1: he would have been completely happy to spend the rest

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Speaker 1: of his career in Cincinnati. So Paul Brown passes him over,

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Speaker 1: and then at that moment, it was it was a mistake,

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Speaker 1: but it was. And then Wals handed it to the Bengals,

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Speaker 1: and they're only two Super Bowl appearances. There you go,

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Speaker 1: And he just ended to his book, ended his two

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Speaker 1: Super bowls over the over the Bengals, and Paul Brown

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Speaker 1: was on the field for both times. And it was

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Speaker 1: it was tough for Paul Brown. But you know, Walsh

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Speaker 1: promised himself and promised the people around him that if

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Speaker 1: he ever did get a chance after getting passed over,

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Speaker 1: that he would help every coach who worked with him.

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Speaker 1: And out of that despondency after he got passed over

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Speaker 1: came the most impressive coaching tree in the history of sports,

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Speaker 1: not just the NFL. Bob. It's a great subject matter

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Speaker 1: and it's obviously a great Christmas gift, and you could

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Speaker 1: find guts and genius, uh, the story of three unlikely

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Speaker 1: coaches who came to dominate the NFL in the eighties

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Speaker 1: anywhere books are sold, including Amazon. Let's be honest. I

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Speaker 1: mean Amazon's going nuts right now. I'm currently reading it,

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Speaker 1: and it's I would say it's not a given that

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Speaker 1: all these football books are gonna be well written. This

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Speaker 1: one is well written. It spends a good yarn and

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Speaker 1: it'd be a bit like if there are three Belichicks

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Speaker 1: in the a f C for the last decade and

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Speaker 1: a half. Bob, you're a good sport, You're a good

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Speaker 1: man and a great uncle. Bob Glauber. Alright, it, alright,

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Speaker 1: take care. Alright, there goes Bob Glauber. Uh we don't

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Speaker 1: have our vote yet. Obviously the goal there was to

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Speaker 1: end that conversation with a vote. But we were gonna

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Speaker 1: fight on Barry Wilner's next I mean, I'm not surprised.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't just a one step process. These are big

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Speaker 1: organizations were going up against I am after hearing that

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Speaker 1: statement you read that though we did our part, but

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Speaker 1: we'll keep doing our part. We're gonna keep fighting. We're

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Speaker 1: just starting the battle. Okay. We'll be back Thursday night

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Speaker 1: with a recap of that great uh charges Chiefs battle,

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Speaker 1: and then a preview of all the week fifteen games

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Speaker 1: on Sunday and Monday and Saturday as well. Uh So,

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Speaker 1: let us get out of here. This is Dan Hanson's

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Speaker 1: signing off four Quiet Storm, the Mailman, the old Boss

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Speaker 1: Ricky Hollywood behind the glass. We will persevere. We will

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Speaker 1: get that boat because we deserve it. Damn it. Tell

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Speaker 1: Thursday night