Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature future production of I Heart Radio. I'm
Speaker 1: your host of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology
Speaker 1: and evolutionary biology, and I'm pretty sleepy today I might
Speaker 1: just take a nap, but not before talking about some
Speaker 1: of the most extraordinary sleeping beauties in the animal Kingdom.
Speaker 1: We'll catch some z s with naptime transformers, contortionists, animals
Speaker 1: who barely need a wink, and animals who slept and
Speaker 1: past their larm by a few years. Discover this and
Speaker 1: more as we answer the usual question, how do you
Speaker 1: sleep floating in the middle of the sea, You'll be
Speaker 1: utterly surprised. Joining me today is podcast host NERD expert
Speaker 1: and nap extraordinary Alexis Tauruss. Hello, I actually just woke
Speaker 1: up from a nap, so I am ready to learn
Speaker 1: about all the things. I'm a terrible, terrible sleeper, but
Speaker 1: now being I'm great as Yes, I had to take
Speaker 1: a nap yesterday while I was writing these notes, because
Speaker 1: seeing these sleepy little animals is just like awesome. Nice.
Speaker 1: I take nap when I feel it's fun. I kind
Speaker 1: of feel the same way. Sometimes I'm not the best sleeper,
Speaker 1: but I can nap anytime. I could be a competitive napper.
Speaker 1: I think that would be a business that we should
Speaker 1: all get into for sure. Like I just it's just
Speaker 1: so nice because I never understood why I can't sleep
Speaker 1: when it's actually time to sleep, but just in the
Speaker 1: middle of the day, it's like, oh this chair is
Speaker 1: you know, it's crazy. Well, maybe you will identify more
Speaker 1: with some of these animals who have sleeping patterns that
Speaker 1: are not you know, I would say, not like what
Speaker 1: we typically think a living thing should be. That sounded
Speaker 1: really insulting to the animals. It's not what I'm into say,
Speaker 1: But yeah, I got what you mean. You know. Um,
Speaker 1: But first, before we get into these napping animals, I
Speaker 1: want to talk about a very interesting well actually not,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say anything. I just want you to
Speaker 1: look at this normal video guy picking up a leaf.
Speaker 1: I love how you're like, it's totally normal, it's totally
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. Just watch this video of a
Speaker 1: guy picking up a normal lead. I don't trust you know,
Speaker 1: I'm watching. I'm watching. Oh what wait wait, wait, wait,
Speaker 1: go back, wait, go back to do that again. Yes,
Speaker 1: that was exactly what I was going to say. I
Speaker 1: was like it hands and hands it hands. I'm going
Speaker 1: to narrate what you're watching for listeners. So she's watching
Speaker 1: a video of a man picking up a dead leaf
Speaker 1: and as he picks it up, this dead leaf transforms
Speaker 1: into beautiful butterfly. But like it's magic. But this is
Speaker 1: like the like if people could see my screen right now,
Speaker 1: this is like the sixth time I have played this
Speaker 1: going No, it's a magic trick. It's a magician. Katie's
Speaker 1: a magician. She found magic tricks on the internet and
Speaker 1: that's what she's doing. She's mad, I'm being punked, is
Speaker 1: what it is? Where the cameras besides the zoom camera upset? Well,
Speaker 1: this is this is a real no tricks, no, no
Speaker 1: Michael Bay camera magic. This is called Kalima inkis also
Speaker 1: known as the orange oak leaf or dead leaf butterfly.
Speaker 1: So so this is the perfect disguise to be able
Speaker 1: to take a nap in my opinion, because sometimes and
Speaker 1: you're trying to take a nap and people are like, oh,
Speaker 1: you gotta get up. Oh it's dinnertime. Oh you know,
Speaker 1: you got it. You've got responsibilities and stuff. But if
Speaker 1: I could just like if I could camouflage is like
Speaker 1: a pile of clothes or dead leaf. It would be
Speaker 1: the perfect disguise to be able to take a nap,
Speaker 1: and these butterflies have absolutely mastered it. So you can
Speaker 1: see the pictures of these butterflies, they look just exactly
Speaker 1: like a dead leaf. The not just the coloration, it
Speaker 1: is detail, the rip. Like you know how leaves have
Speaker 1: ribbing through them. It has that as well. But when
Speaker 1: they open up their their wings, it's actually quite colorful.
Speaker 1: They do look like a colorful butterfly. They have a
Speaker 1: band of black, orange, ish yellow and blue, and it
Speaker 1: is this amazing example of cryptic mimicry or camouflage, where
Speaker 1: the butterfly imitates a dead leaf to evade predation. So
Speaker 1: the orange oak leaf butterfly is found in Southeast Asia
Speaker 1: and they are it's actually goes beyond just this one
Speaker 1: disguise of a dead leaf. So like where they live,
Speaker 1: there's actually a wet seas in a dry season, so
Speaker 1: they will there are two different forms of the same
Speaker 1: species of butterfly and they will change their appearance depending
Speaker 1: on whether it's the wet season or dry season. So
Speaker 1: actually I'm looking at this picture right now and I'm like,
Speaker 1: are you sure this is the same butterfly. Well, it's
Speaker 1: not the same individual, and it is the same species.
Speaker 1: So it's like they have depending on when they're born
Speaker 1: and when they develop into maturity, they will have a
Speaker 1: different look. So during the wet season they have a
Speaker 1: darker color. It's the it's kind of this like imagine
Speaker 1: a leaf that's been on the ground that's been wet
Speaker 1: and kind of is starting to decay, versus a freshly
Speaker 1: dead leaf. So during the wet season, it looks like
Speaker 1: it's kind of a decaying leaf, and during the dry season,
Speaker 1: it's sort of a lighter color, it looks fresher, it
Speaker 1: looks just sort of like a freshly dead leaf that
Speaker 1: is maybe still hanging onto the tree or something, which
Speaker 1: is an incredible paying they're paying such incredible attention to
Speaker 1: detail these betterly. Yeah, like I just I can't stop
Speaker 1: staring at it. I can't believe you've already broken me.
Speaker 1: We've only gone one animal in so many to get through.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I was gonna say, I was like, it's
Speaker 1: it's one thing to say that, like I always forget
Speaker 1: that type of pray mantis that also kind of looks
Speaker 1: like a leaf when it's um walking around and everything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's stick bugs bugs. They are also orchid mantises. Those
Speaker 1: are my favorite mantis, and you know, I don't like
Speaker 1: that sex, so that's safe. But yeah, I love the
Speaker 1: fact that they change. I mean, obviously, you know, they
Speaker 1: changed with their surroundings, but I also love the fact
Speaker 1: that their attention to detail of like specific seasons is
Speaker 1: in just insane, especially the wet season one, because it
Speaker 1: definitely looks like something you would walk across like any forest.
Speaker 1: You're like, oh wow, these leaves are everywhere, and then
Speaker 1: they start flying You're like, wait what, Yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: very interesting. And they also have another trick up their
Speaker 1: sleeve during the wet season, which is in addition to
Speaker 1: looking like this damp, decaying leaf, they also have a
Speaker 1: couple of iye spots on their wings, and so if
Speaker 1: they can't trick the predator into thinking that they're dead leaf,
Speaker 1: they can actually open up their wings and the light
Speaker 1: shines through the wings and then these i spots illuminate,
Speaker 1: and so it's in hopes of tricking the predator that
Speaker 1: it's a much bigger insect. And so they just they
Speaker 1: thought of everything. These butterflies. I need to learn the tricks.
Speaker 1: Just tell me, tell me how to do that. If
Speaker 1: I can just like disappear like hobbit, cloak myself into
Speaker 1: something when someone's bothering me, and then if it doesn't work,
Speaker 1: I just become this bigger version of myself that oh,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, and I'm like, yeah, that's right. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I want a cloak that makes me look like a
Speaker 1: pile of dirty laundryes so I can nap and then
Speaker 1: if someone's like, hey, I see you under that, you
Speaker 1: like pull a tab and then the dirty laundry turns
Speaker 1: into a monster and then you can just keep napping.
Speaker 1: Pay sorry, And I'm like, that's right, I'm going back
Speaker 1: to it. I want it. I want it so bad.
Speaker 1: And they actually they do they change their camouflage based
Speaker 1: on their activity level. So during the dry season, they're
Speaker 1: actually less active and so they don't typically have those
Speaker 1: fake out ice spots because they're they're just clinging to
Speaker 1: the tree, basically resting most of the time, looking like
Speaker 1: a dead leaf, and that works out during the wet
Speaker 1: season when they have to fly around more, that's when
Speaker 1: they bring out the extra Not only do they look
Speaker 1: like a wet, decaying leaf. But then it's like if
Speaker 1: they have to move around and a predator is like, hey,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, leaves don't walk, and then it's like, ah,
Speaker 1: but I've got these extra eyes. Look at baby. Oh man,
Speaker 1: that's crazy just thinking about that, because I can't even
Speaker 1: imagine if you're like, oh, like, especially if someone who's
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna collect this leaf or while I'm visiting,
Speaker 1: and then it just like flaps off and I'm just like,
Speaker 1: I can't touch anything. I can't touch anything. It's just
Speaker 1: not happening. That's why that video is so interesting, and
Speaker 1: I'll definitely provide a link to it in the show notes.
Speaker 1: But it's it just looks like a guy picking up
Speaker 1: a dead leaf and then it the leaf unfolds and
Speaker 1: starts flying away and it's colorful, and then it and
Speaker 1: then it flaps a few times, folds back up, falls
Speaker 1: back out onto the ground and it's a leaf again.
Speaker 1: I can't, I can't stop. I can't stop. I keep
Speaker 1: hitting the play button. I know we have to move
Speaker 1: on at some point, but I can't. I can't. I
Speaker 1: just so sometimes instead of hiding while sleeping, you've actually
Speaker 1: got a flex and to demonstrate this, I want to
Speaker 1: talk about the malachite sunbird. So malachite sunbirds are small
Speaker 1: nectar drinking birds found in Ethiopia and South Africa. They
Speaker 1: actually look very similar to hummingbirds, but they don't hover
Speaker 1: and feed like hummingbirds do. They will perch and eat
Speaker 1: on flowers with those long beaks. So yeah, they're they're
Speaker 1: quite pretty. The males are bright eardescent green with a
Speaker 1: long hooked beak, and females are sort of a lighter
Speaker 1: yellow and brownish color. But yeah, they're they're these these
Speaker 1: pretty little birds who grow around sip and nectar. Quite cute.
Speaker 1: But male malkite sunbirds when they are sleeping they will
Speaker 1: flaunt their pectoral fathers while sleeping toward off predators. No, sorry,
Speaker 1: I just think of this like like okay, I'm going
Speaker 1: to bed, and then like just being angry and like
Speaker 1: I don't know what do you want? And you're like,
Speaker 1: whoa hey, whoa hey, hey, we're good hair even like
Speaker 1: you even flower snoring. I love that. That's so cute.
Speaker 1: But so it's not actually so that they look buff
Speaker 1: and muscular, although I do like that idea. It is
Speaker 1: to make it look like they have giant yellow eyes
Speaker 1: on their chest. The feathers under their bright green outer
Speaker 1: feathers are yellow and they can puff them up, and
Speaker 1: it looks like they have these big eyes on their chest.
Speaker 1: My eyes are down here, Hey, the opposite down Such
Speaker 1: a male thing to just kidding, but yeah, but but
Speaker 1: then it makes again like those eye spots that many
Speaker 1: animals use. It makes it look like, oh, you're a
Speaker 1: bigger animal, because look, your eyes are as broad as
Speaker 1: your chest and they're huge and yellow and open. So
Speaker 1: I don't want to mess with you, but it is.
Speaker 1: It is pretty cute, like just these little bro birds like,
Speaker 1: come at me, bro, I love it. That's what I'm
Speaker 1: gonna see every time now, and just put a little
Speaker 1: bubble of and me like, come at me, bro, cave me,
Speaker 1: at me, bro, check out my check out my feather
Speaker 1: my feathers. I also just love, like I know that
Speaker 1: we're talking more about the sleep, but I really love
Speaker 1: the beak like shape and and everything. And it looks
Speaker 1: like there's something extra at least on the picture that
Speaker 1: I'm seeing. It's probably little tongues. Yeah, I was gonna
Speaker 1: say that's so it's just so fascinating too. Because they
Speaker 1: have these they have these long tongues that they used
Speaker 1: to sip the nectar much like the birds flicks out
Speaker 1: yeah and yeah yeah. It's it's a done pokeo sticking out.
Speaker 1: And you can see in that that photo that he's
Speaker 1: like actually puffing out those yellow feathers. It's like they
Speaker 1: look like the side view mirrors on cars. That's thinking,
Speaker 1: I didn't want to be rude and be like you
Speaker 1: kind of look like kind of look like a car
Speaker 1: right now, or like even when cars when they change
Speaker 1: their headlights and stuff like sometimes like oh I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be different. I'm gonna have these bright blue like blinding
Speaker 1: and you're like, okay, there's definitely a car there. I
Speaker 1: get it. So that's what kind of it reminds me of,
Speaker 1: like hey, hey, hey, back up, I'm doing something. You know.
Speaker 1: This bird is like this bird is like objects in
Speaker 1: my feathers are swoller than they appear that shirt. So
Speaker 1: another little cutie that likes to consider it's safety and
Speaker 1: has to while it's sleeping is the sea Auto. I
Speaker 1: have been waiting for you to bring this up. This
Speaker 1: is my napping animal, the otter. I love it. They
Speaker 1: are an inspiration to nappers worldwide. The sea otter they
Speaker 1: are just there. They're the perfect animal. They're so cute.
Speaker 1: But you know they do live in primarily in the water,
Speaker 1: So how do they nap without floating just drifting away
Speaker 1: off in to you know, too unknown uncharted waters. And
Speaker 1: they have a few techniques. Among them are holding each other,
Speaker 1: holding their hands, and anchoring themselves down with kelp. So
Speaker 1: every everything they do to try to keep from drifting
Speaker 1: away is just the cutest thing you've ever seen. So
Speaker 1: this is, this is why Katie's the best because the
Speaker 1: fact that I didn't know about the kelp thing. I
Speaker 1: knew about the holy hands thing because I mean they
Speaker 1: like when I used to teach preschool and I used
Speaker 1: to teach my kids, I'm like, okay, remember how much
Speaker 1: we love see otters and how they keep track of
Speaker 1: their friends. How do we do that? Hold hands? Yes,
Speaker 1: good job, And like you know, you see the little
Speaker 1: line of kids all holding hands when we're walking somewhere,
Speaker 1: So that usually always worked. But the kelp thing, oh yes,
Speaker 1: oh I have new things now. Yes, it is so. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the holding hands is a very cute. And mothers will
Speaker 1: hold their baby seeing honors on their tummies to keep
Speaker 1: them from drifting away, and they'll actually carry them everywhere,
Speaker 1: just like holding them on their tummies swimming around. It
Speaker 1: takes an extraordinary amount of energy, but you know, they
Speaker 1: do love their little babies and moms protect them moms.
Speaker 1: But then there are times when they that's not enough,
Speaker 1: So when the mother has to go and hunt and
Speaker 1: leave the baby, she will wrap the pup in seaweed
Speaker 1: and kelp so that the pup stays anchored to one place,
Speaker 1: so basically tying the pup like a balloon and just
Speaker 1: leaving it there. And the thing is that otter pups
Speaker 1: are naturally extremely buoyant there they are super super fluffy,
Speaker 1: and they are we'll just float like corks. There's no
Speaker 1: they can't. It's almost impossible for them to drown when
Speaker 1: when everything's going as it should because they are just
Speaker 1: so buoyant. So they can just tie them in the
Speaker 1: seaweed and leave them there and then come back. I
Speaker 1: love that. I think that's so cute. And you're like,
Speaker 1: all right, so I'm gonna put you in this little
Speaker 1: kelp basket. Don't go anywhere exactly exactly, And sometimes entire
Speaker 1: groups of sea otters will wrap themselves up and kelp.
Speaker 1: Like if if the sea is really turbulent, like you've
Speaker 1: got a lot of waves, they will all to kind
Speaker 1: of keep sticking together in one place. They wrap themselves
Speaker 1: up in sea help, and it is super cute. They
Speaker 1: will grab a bunch of kelp and then just kind
Speaker 1: of start rolling around until they're all nice and secure,
Speaker 1: and then they it's like they've got their little kelp
Speaker 1: seat belts on and seek help. When you see like
Speaker 1: a bunch of sea help floating on the surface, often
Speaker 1: it's attack like it goes all the way down to
Speaker 1: the sea floor where it's like attached to the floor
Speaker 1: by by rocks and stuff, so it's not like the
Speaker 1: kelp itself is probably not going anywhere. It is very cute.
Speaker 1: It's like this raft made out of otters and kelp,
Speaker 1: and actually groups of otters are called rafts. Yes, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I love that. Remember water parks from before
Speaker 1: the bad times when we're for the badness um and
Speaker 1: those like the wave pools where like everyone gets in
Speaker 1: the wave generating and they're all just kind of like
Speaker 1: bobbing up and down. That's what these otters look like
Speaker 1: when they're in these wavy waters and they're all attached
Speaker 1: to the kelp and it's the wave and you can
Speaker 1: just imagine and go like, whoa, I can just imagine
Speaker 1: that it comes another one. But it looks fun. It
Speaker 1: looks fun. I don't know if they find it fun,
Speaker 1: but it does look fun. And we're all like, oh,
Speaker 1: cute what they are. But they're like holding hands and
Speaker 1: and ensconced and the kelp and it does look a
Speaker 1: little bit fun to me, it does. I hope, I
Speaker 1: hope they do have fun, really funny. It's like sur
Speaker 1: we must survive. I like the I like the idea
Speaker 1: that the parents are like taking it really seriously, like now,
Speaker 1: this is how we survive. And because they do, they
Speaker 1: do teach their their young like lessons and stuffing. It's like, now,
Speaker 1: this is how we survive, so we don't drift off
Speaker 1: and get eaten by sharks. And the babies are like
Speaker 1: food and they're like, no, be serious, you could die.
Speaker 1: I got that. That makes sense. Also, uh, sea otters
Speaker 1: who live near humans have figured out innovative ways to
Speaker 1: keep their babies safe. So see otters in Monterey Bay
Speaker 1: will use boats to stow their pups while they go
Speaker 1: hunt so they'll just like swim their little pup over
Speaker 1: to a boat, like, uh, just push it up onto
Speaker 1: like a boat step or part of the boat. You
Speaker 1: see the little the little otter pup playing with a
Speaker 1: piece of rope and the mom goes off. It's like,
Speaker 1: all right, you stay here here, I will be right back.
Speaker 1: I will be back with groceries, which is just fish
Speaker 1: and shellfish. Oh my gosh, that's so funny. Well, I
Speaker 1: know what I'm gonna be looking up on my late
Speaker 1: night YouTube, like binging or like diving into no pun
Speaker 1: intended thereto. I think this was the I think this
Speaker 1: was the point. Like I was at my like twelfth
Speaker 1: video watching just little otters floating and napping in the ocean.
Speaker 1: It's nap time for Katie. Nope, it's gonna be like, hey, Alexis,
Speaker 1: what did you do at four am? Watching out videos?
Speaker 1: I blame Katie. Oh boy, why do we rock babies
Speaker 1: to sleep? Well, it's simple. Babies have a serious case
Speaker 1: of fomo fear of missing out on survival. Babies know
Speaker 1: that being carried by their caretaker is the safest place
Speaker 1: to be, whereas being left on the ground somewhere could
Speaker 1: spill disaster forgotten by their parents, so they'll sound the
Speaker 1: alarm until they're picked back up. Rocking a baby simulates
Speaker 1: the feeling of moving and being carried, reassuring them that
Speaker 1: their parents are nearby. This is a trait found not
Speaker 1: only in human babies, but many mammalian species that rely
Speaker 1: on parental care in their early years and want to
Speaker 1: make sure that they don't wind up being a snack
Speaker 1: while getting their forty winks. When we return, we'll talk
Speaker 1: about some animals who don't even need forty weeks, maybe
Speaker 1: five weeks four, Well, we'll find out. Imagine you're trying
Speaker 1: to sleep with a six foot long neck which is
Speaker 1: almost two meters, with legs just as long. You have
Speaker 1: a heart the size of a two year old child,
Speaker 1: and lungs that sucking twelve gallons or lids of air,
Speaker 1: and there are monsters out there who want to get
Speaker 1: a bite out of your big, gangly body. You're a giraffe,
Speaker 1: and I'm sorry, but life is tough for you, especially
Speaker 1: when it comes to sleep. So now we've talked about
Speaker 1: some innovative ways that animals catch a nap, and now
Speaker 1: I want to talk about the some of the lightest
Speaker 1: sleepers in the animal kingdom. Now, you mentioned that sometimes
Speaker 1: you nap more than you sleep at night, and I
Speaker 1: think you will really relate to the animals were about
Speaker 1: to talk about. So giraffes are I bet you know
Speaker 1: what a giraffe is, But tell me about Katie because
Speaker 1: I want to. It's like a really long horse. So
Speaker 1: giraffes are very light sleepers and they get away with
Speaker 1: very little sleep. So they often rest where they kind
Speaker 1: of like sit on there, they fold their legs under them.
Speaker 1: Sometimes they will like rest like that, but they're sort
Speaker 1: of half awake. They'll munch on low hanging leaves while seated,
Speaker 1: but they rarely get that like the serious serious sleep,
Speaker 1: like going into rim sleep, the rapid eye movement sleep.
Speaker 1: So when they do sleep, how do you like when
Speaker 1: you imagine a giraffe sleeping, It's it's hard to picture,
Speaker 1: right because it's like where do they stick? Where do
Speaker 1: they stick there? And where does the how does that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I always as a kid, I always wondered that, and
Speaker 1: I used to like bug my mom all the time.
Speaker 1: I'm like, Mom, how did you drafts sleep? And She's like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I actually don't know? Yeah, Like where
Speaker 1: did they because they got these long necks, they had
Speaker 1: these long legs. Where do they like you know, like
Speaker 1: plankt that way? Like my dog likes to sleep with
Speaker 1: all his legs out split out. Yeah, and I'd like
Speaker 1: to sleep like that too. I like to sprawl if
Speaker 1: I know I have the bed to myself. So it's
Speaker 1: just like wherever there's room, my limbs will be there
Speaker 1: in some way shape or reform. I actually sleep more
Speaker 1: draft style, which is like nodding yourself up into a
Speaker 1: little ball. So giraffes will sleep by curling their necks
Speaker 1: backward with their head resting on their butt. It's just
Speaker 1: that this is like because like when I sleep, I
Speaker 1: have to like I curl into like fetal position and
Speaker 1: I tucked my head under it and like pull my
Speaker 1: shirt up over my face full brow. Yeah. No, I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's like the only way I can sleep is like
Speaker 1: basically becoming this I don't know, snail unit I feel.
Speaker 1: So I totally relate to these drafts. But yeah, it is.
Speaker 1: It's super funny to see just this giraffe with its
Speaker 1: head on its ass, just like head on a time
Speaker 1: to sleep. Yeah, It's like you know when you have
Speaker 1: a built in pillar. You're like, all right, I got
Speaker 1: a nice but I'm just gonna, you know, just get
Speaker 1: nice and compete. Yeah, sometimes I wish I could rest
Speaker 1: my head on my but I don't know. I I
Speaker 1: completely agree and I think that which we'll get. I'll
Speaker 1: get to that next picture. But it's really cute when
Speaker 1: like baby or young giraffes do it, But when you
Speaker 1: see an adult, I'm like, I have concerns. Are you okay?
Speaker 1: Do you need to see a chiropractice that looks really uncomfortable?
Speaker 1: Like absolutely, yeah, it's like you're gonna wake up with
Speaker 1: a cramp for sure. I mean at least like with
Speaker 1: your with like with your tactic just like burrowing, like
Speaker 1: you know, turtling into your own like bedtime. Sure, I
Speaker 1: get that that makes sense, But like this like a
Speaker 1: full on like even owl. Sometimes I'm like, it's like
Speaker 1: doing yoga while sleeping and that's awful. It just sounds
Speaker 1: and probably looks awful. But like if you're comfy, I
Speaker 1: like I won't sleep, like you know, we don't sleep
Speaker 1: shame here, Like if you're comfy and that's how you
Speaker 1: want to sleep, like do you you know? But at
Speaker 1: the same time, I also like, well, maybe that's why
Speaker 1: they only sleep like this for about five minutes and
Speaker 1: it's comfortable. Yeah, so they do not sleep that much,
Speaker 1: and of the time that they do spend sleeping, it's
Speaker 1: very rarely in this like fully RESTful weird positions. So
Speaker 1: in total, adult giraffes only sleep about four and a
Speaker 1: half hours a day. Me, me, me, it's not healthy.
Speaker 1: It's not it's not healthy. All that's me In college
Speaker 1: when I started to get when I started to get
Speaker 1: sleep paralysis because I was so sleep deprived. Now just
Speaker 1: like kind of have this really like weird sleep disorders.
Speaker 1: Because I was like, huh, yeah, sleep doesn't exist in college.
Speaker 1: I don't care. It's either you're not doing any work
Speaker 1: and you're sleeping all the time, or you're not sleeping
Speaker 1: at all and getting at least you think you're getting
Speaker 1: your work done. That's so bad for me that I
Speaker 1: was in an English class and I guess I had
Speaker 1: perfected the whole like sleeping while my eyes were open
Speaker 1: and still seeming conscious. So I wanted to perfect that
Speaker 1: so hard. We were talking about some like, oh we're
Speaker 1: talking about I think it was like it was Candide,
Speaker 1: I think or some like old some old ass book
Speaker 1: and there's like a part of it where like this
Speaker 1: woman gets her butt cut off for something. It's a
Speaker 1: weird book. It's a super weird so it makes sense
Speaker 1: or history, like I get it, but according and like
Speaker 1: after the class, a couple of students came up to
Speaker 1: me and they're like, like, you're so funny. I'm like,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? Uh? And they said, well,
Speaker 1: the thing you said about, like like when when we're
Speaker 1: talking about this scene in the book and you're like,
Speaker 1: You're like, does get stitches? It's like what I said that? No,
Speaker 1: I didn't like and I was like, apparently asleep, But
Speaker 1: I said because I have no memory of saying that.
Speaker 1: It was so weird, I guess a secondhand embarrassment. And
Speaker 1: then also, can we talk about what like iconic line
Speaker 1: that is like good for you? But at the same time,
Speaker 1: I'm like English class in front of like a professor
Speaker 1: because it's like a small it was like a section.
Speaker 1: It was like in front of a professor, and I
Speaker 1: was just like what I was just like, I had
Speaker 1: no memory of it. I would never say that while conscious,
Speaker 1: especially like an English class. But it was so embarrassing. Anyways,
Speaker 1: back to Graffs. I love that segment. It was beautiful. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So they only sleep about four and a half hours
Speaker 1: a day. Most of the time they sleep standing up,
Speaker 1: with only about twelve minutes of that time in a
Speaker 1: recumbent face on but sleep position. Yeah, I mean, again,
Speaker 1: I don't blame them, because, my goodness, I don't think
Speaker 1: I could be able to get more than like an
Speaker 1: hour or two of sleep if I was in this position.
Speaker 1: It would just be It just sounds awful. But I
Speaker 1: mean I also understand what you were saying earlier, like
Speaker 1: how were they supposed to sleep comfortably, like actually comfortably?
Speaker 1: You know, because they have these ridiculous like their body portions,
Speaker 1: they have all these things like what do much much
Speaker 1: like you, alexis their sleep cycle is broken up into
Speaker 1: naps and fragmented sleep. So it's, you know, apparently that's
Speaker 1: what it is. Hey, as long as you're getting some
Speaker 1: sort of sleep, you know, because again, as Katie has
Speaker 1: already talked about, not having sleep is awful, like the
Speaker 1: like the delusions they they're Oh, it's bad. I also
Speaker 1: hate it when like you haven't slept and then when
Speaker 1: you do finally not off to sleep, and you think
Speaker 1: that you're getting ready to go somewhere, and then that
Speaker 1: I hate that. I've had a chain like that where
Speaker 1: it's like I have that thing where you're sleeping that
Speaker 1: you're getting ready and you're like, oh, but I've woken
Speaker 1: up now and now I'm getting ready, but then you're
Speaker 1: still asleep. Yeah, it's awful. It was one where like
Speaker 1: I was sleeping and I thought I got into the
Speaker 1: shower and like was like getting dressed, and I woke
Speaker 1: up and I was already dressed and like eating breakfast,
Speaker 1: and then I woke up again and it was definitely
Speaker 1: still in bed and I was an hour late, and
Speaker 1: I was like breaking out. It's like trying to like
Speaker 1: when you're trying to run in your dream that you're
Speaker 1: not going anywhere. Yeah, I hate it. It makes me
Speaker 1: feel like maybe we're all reincarnated from animals that got
Speaker 1: in the Librea tar pits, and it's just like everything
Speaker 1: I'm living out this this wouly mammoth's nightmare of getting
Speaker 1: stuck in the Librea tar pits in my sleep. Oh God,
Speaker 1: just to add that to the next nightmare of fuel,
Speaker 1: just add it at it's actually probably what it is
Speaker 1: is that when you're sleeping your body is actually like
Speaker 1: sort of temporarily paralyzed. Yeah, you're the ponds, which is
Speaker 1: part of your brain, stops sending signals to the rest
Speaker 1: of your body. So in your dream sometimes if you
Speaker 1: have some disrupted sleep where you start to get inputs
Speaker 1: from your brain that normally you wouldn't get. And so
Speaker 1: you're trying to run in your dream, but then you're
Speaker 1: getting some feedback from your body of like, but my
Speaker 1: body is not moving. You're sleeping, Like what are you
Speaker 1: talking about? So it's like so then you get this
Speaker 1: like weird thing of like I'm trying to run in
Speaker 1: my dream, but I'm moving really slowly, and yeah, that's
Speaker 1: very Yeah, it's very interesting what happens. Like when our
Speaker 1: sleep gets kind of disrupted, something goes around. It's the
Speaker 1: same thing with sleep paralysis, like when you wake up
Speaker 1: and you can't move. I always something that felt back.
Speaker 1: Had a roommate that had that, and it was just
Speaker 1: rough because like sometimes like if I was studying late,
Speaker 1: I could you know, She'll mean she can't tap me
Speaker 1: or do anything, but I would hear her like trying
Speaker 1: to like because obviously she can't speak either. So she's
Speaker 1: like trying, and I can hear her struggling, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do, you know, But I
Speaker 1: also know that it's probably ten times worse if you're
Speaker 1: going through it then being like a person that's next
Speaker 1: to someone going through it and was well. I mean,
Speaker 1: so I've had sleep paralysis occasionally. It's usually only when
Speaker 1: I'm like really sleep deprived, and for whatever reason, the
Speaker 1: type of sleep paralysis I get, I don't get afraid
Speaker 1: when i'm having it, which is weird because I do
Speaker 1: get I do get like panic sort of sleep. I
Speaker 1: have like panic attacks that I wake up from when
Speaker 1: I'm talking, which is sort of awful. I like your
Speaker 1: heart is beating and you're like, oh, I'm dying, and
Speaker 1: then you wake up and you're like, oh, I'm fine. Yeah.
Speaker 1: One time when I had one of those, I thought
Speaker 1: I literally, like my sleep brain literally thought that I
Speaker 1: spat my heart out through my mouth and it came
Speaker 1: out of my mouth. I was like, oh no, my
Speaker 1: heart fell out of my mouth. And I woke up,
Speaker 1: and then there's that time of confusion where you're like, wait, no,
Speaker 1: that's not that's not right. You can't do that that's
Speaker 1: all possible, that's not possible. Yeah, I've totally had that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would rather take no, I would rather take sleeping
Speaker 1: on my ass than than that, for sure. Head on,
Speaker 1: but head on. But that's maybe Maybe giraffes know what
Speaker 1: they're doing, maybe like yoga sleeping apparently. But this this
Speaker 1: next one that we're gonna be talking about, which I
Speaker 1: have been, like, I'm not obsessed, but it's always been
Speaker 1: a thing that I've like, even from when I was
Speaker 1: a child, I was always like, how how do wale sleep?
Speaker 1: How do they do do they sleep? Just like how
Speaker 1: when they're swimming do they like I don't know, like
Speaker 1: belly up? Like how? Like how do you how? How?
Speaker 1: And then when someone finally show me how they did it,
Speaker 1: I could not stop talking about it. I wanted to
Speaker 1: know more. I wanted to try it when I was
Speaker 1: like eight years old. Obviously it doesn't work that way
Speaker 1: because I don't have guilt, Like it was just like
Speaker 1: whole whales don't have guilts, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like like the fact that they can they can breathe underwater,
Speaker 1: but like so they can hold their breath for like, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was so mad. I was like I just want
Speaker 1: to try this thing. Tell me I want to do it,
Speaker 1: so you will drown. Don't do it, kids, don't do it.
Speaker 1: Don't don't be Like Alexis learned from her childhood mistakes.
Speaker 1: Seven year old Alexis didn't know what she was talking about.
Speaker 1: She just thought it was cool and really wanted to
Speaker 1: do it. Don't don't do it. It It was awful. Whales.
Speaker 1: Whales are actually so whales have to breathe by surfacing,
Speaker 1: but they can hold their breath just ridiculous amounts of
Speaker 1: time underwater. So yeah, it's it's crazy. I know I
Speaker 1: want whale powers, just wants please. But yeah, Alexis, so
Speaker 1: have you thought so? Sperm whales they're big, They're they're huge, huge, huge,
Speaker 1: huge animals. I don't understand when you think about them sleeping,
Speaker 1: it's hard to fathom. And they're one of the world's
Speaker 1: least sleep dependent animals and they only spend seven percent
Speaker 1: of their days sleeping in total, according to research, So
Speaker 1: that's just under two hours a day. Oh, I can't
Speaker 1: be a functional person. It re probably slept for two hours.
Speaker 1: Well you wouldn't, you'd be you'd be a functional whale.
Speaker 1: I mean that is true. That is very very true.
Speaker 1: Doesn't see this is why seven year old Alexis is
Speaker 1: obsessed because she knew. She was like, Oh, when I
Speaker 1: become an adult, if this is possible to be functional
Speaker 1: on two hours to sleep, I would get so much done.
Speaker 1: It didn't seem like when I was a kid, it
Speaker 1: did seem really unfair to me that so much time
Speaker 1: was taken by sleep. It's like, but you're not doing
Speaker 1: anything anything. I mean, like, why do we have to sleep?
Speaker 1: That seems like doctors should fix that. I want to
Speaker 1: figure out a way to like just like give me
Speaker 1: eight hours of sleep in a liquid or something. I
Speaker 1: mean when I was then, when I was an adult.
Speaker 1: Now that I'm an adult, it's like, I do not
Speaker 1: want caffeine. I want to sleep. Sleep is great, yes,
Speaker 1: but so when sperm whales do sleep, it is so
Speaker 1: bizarre they actually sleep. It's I love I love whales.
Speaker 1: I love the ocean. This kind of creeps me out
Speaker 1: a little bit. It's weird. It's like swepping in the deep.
Speaker 1: If you could sweep swimming in the deep ocean, just
Speaker 1: be like, oh, it's so beautifulful, And then do you
Speaker 1: see a group of whales sleeping vertically so floating in
Speaker 1: the water in a way that is they look like
Speaker 1: they look like a bunch of whales about to be
Speaker 1: abducted by alien. Yeah, just like they yeah, like they're
Speaker 1: about their like doing a sayance. It's true, it's like
Speaker 1: watching videos of this is the craziest thing I've ever seen,
Speaker 1: at least to me, I think it is. There's probably
Speaker 1: the sea is just so serious and beautiful that I
Speaker 1: want to know more all the time. But like it, yes,
Speaker 1: it's so crazy. It always reminds me of I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously a lot of people have seen Finding Email, but
Speaker 1: if they haven't, they probably see some sort of documentary
Speaker 1: about like bombs in the water, being hung by the
Speaker 1: like those chains or like just sitting there. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: it's just it's nuts. It's just I mean, this is
Speaker 1: definitely a mind you also don't want to set off,
Speaker 1: just in case. But it was just always just really
Speaker 1: cool how they were just able to just kind of
Speaker 1: bob there and they're like their school bus size. They're
Speaker 1: the size of school buses standing up from tail to
Speaker 1: to knows like, like it's just it looks like it's
Speaker 1: just bizarre. It's just bizarre, and they are asleep they're napping,
Speaker 1: so they'll often only nap ten to fifteen minutes at
Speaker 1: a time, although sometimes photographers document them napping for up
Speaker 1: to an hour, which means they probably have almost gotten
Speaker 1: all the sleep they need and they're all right, I'm good,
Speaker 1: all right, let's like, you know, swim for like a
Speaker 1: day and a half. Here we go. But discovering that
Speaker 1: the whales sleep vertically like this and just kind of
Speaker 1: float and bob is actually pretty significant because it was
Speaker 1: thought that they only engaged in what is called uni
Speaker 1: hemispheric sleep, which sounds really like crazy, but it's just
Speaker 1: a fancy way of saying only sleeping with half of
Speaker 1: their brain. So you sleep with half of your brain
Speaker 1: and half of your brain is awake, and so this
Speaker 1: is actually something a lot of animals do. So many cetaceans,
Speaker 1: which are whales and dolphins as well as migratory birds,
Speaker 1: engage in una hemispheric sleep, being half asleep, so that
Speaker 1: they can travel long distances while still getting sleep. So basically,
Speaker 1: one half of your brain is awake and the other
Speaker 1: half is asleep. Yeah. I think the only way I
Speaker 1: was able to do that it was road tripping from
Speaker 1: California to Pennsylvania. I was like, I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: half asleep, but I'm definitely awake, because you definitely shouldn't
Speaker 1: be driving if you're half asleep. Also pull over, just
Speaker 1: letting you know. But like, that's how I felt driving
Speaker 1: from California to Pennsylvania. Well, when I was in college
Speaker 1: and I learned I learned about uni hemispheric sleep, I
Speaker 1: was like, could I do this? So I would close
Speaker 1: one like literally, this is like dumb, dumb Katie trying
Speaker 1: to get sleep in college. Like I would close one
Speaker 1: eye and convince myself like, yeah, I've got half my
Speaker 1: brain awake and half my brain asleep, but none of
Speaker 1: my brain was awake. It was all asleep. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: that's out. Yeah, that sounds like a tactic that I
Speaker 1: would dry Like, okay, I'm in my edit ba, how
Speaker 1: can I edit this video while also sleeping at the
Speaker 1: same right right, Just close one eye, get that half
Speaker 1: of your brain arrest, like one half like snoring and
Speaker 1: the other one's like, hey, what's up? What you Okay? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm fine. But with these with these sperm whales, because
Speaker 1: they sleep like this, sleep vertically, and they've actually also
Speaker 1: been observed staying asleep while a boat approaches and the
Speaker 1: boat bumps into them, and then they finally well, they
Speaker 1: woke up once the boat actually physically bumped into them.
Speaker 1: Fortunately it wasn't like an incident where the boat hurt
Speaker 1: them or anything, but they but you know, that is
Speaker 1: a big concern with whales. Often they do get injured
Speaker 1: by boats. But this is a case of sort of
Speaker 1: just attle bit of although to be fair, I would
Speaker 1: not want to wake up by having a boat smack
Speaker 1: into your life. Yeah, that sounds awful. The fact that
Speaker 1: they didn't move until the boat was like right over
Speaker 1: them means that they are potentially getting deeper sleep, which
Speaker 1: we didn't think that they got. Like we thought it
Speaker 1: was just like, oh, they're always sleeping with half their brains.
Speaker 1: But maybe they are getting deep r e m sleep
Speaker 1: and in these weird positions. For me to be jealous
Speaker 1: about whales awesome, But it's still it's you guys have
Speaker 1: to look at pictures or videos of this. It's just
Speaker 1: there's something that is both it's a it's all inspiring
Speaker 1: in the sense that it's like you think about how
Speaker 1: huge these animals are, and then it's it's a bizarre
Speaker 1: position to see them in just like floating vertically, like
Speaker 1: they're a bunch of like whale zombies, and it's it's
Speaker 1: something that feels it's like it fills me with dread
Speaker 1: but also curiosity joy. That's good too. Yeah. No, it's
Speaker 1: like I don't know, like I I love it, and
Speaker 1: it's it scares me in a way that I love it.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? I know, That's exactly how I
Speaker 1: describe it. It's like one of those things where like
Speaker 1: this is quite disturbing in a way of like how why,
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I'm like, this is the
Speaker 1: coolest thing, Like I just it's like it's like looking
Speaker 1: over like looking down the Grand Canyon, where yeah, that's
Speaker 1: like scary, but also I love it. Yeah. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: exactly how I would describe it. It's so cool, so cool.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so they beat the giraffe for being the
Speaker 1: lightest known sleeper because like, giraffe sleep I think eight
Speaker 1: to nine of the day and whales sleep seven percent
Speaker 1: of the day, And in order to be a sperm whale,
Speaker 1: we would have to sleep by taking only about six
Speaker 1: fifteen minute naps a day, which yeah, that's not no, Okay,
Speaker 1: that that might be a problem because if I'm only yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't can't do that. Can't imagine trying to get
Speaker 1: through a work day. Minutes these poor whales trying to
Speaker 1: get through their work day doing whale business, whale business,
Speaker 1: you know, like what meeting, you know, fifteen minutes up,
Speaker 1: everybody naptime, just like do their thing and then someone
Speaker 1: wakes up, Greg, Greg continue, all right, right, such a
Speaker 1: pain in my blowhole? Yeah, no, for real, I can't
Speaker 1: I can't do it. No way, still cool. I can't
Speaker 1: do I can't do these TPS reports and it's just
Speaker 1: papers floating down to their email must be just loaded
Speaker 1: up weeks Like I gotta answer phones all day and
Speaker 1: it's just a phone floating in the ocean, just hanging
Speaker 1: out and just hear it like you can't ring, but
Speaker 1: you can see it shaking and making bubbles. All these
Speaker 1: not all these smales and it's just fish little letters
Speaker 1: tied to them. I love it, or just like a
Speaker 1: little a little shell poach. Like I can't even answer this,
Speaker 1: it's so tiny. How am I supposed to What am
Speaker 1: I supposed to do? Here? God? Sounds awful? Uh? How
Speaker 1: much sleep do you need? Generally? Speaking adult needs seven
Speaker 1: to nine hours of sleep, but there's no exact number
Speaker 1: we should all be aiming for because, weirdly enough, different
Speaker 1: people require different amounts of sleep. While it can be
Speaker 1: determined by environmental factors such as the quality of sleep
Speaker 1: you're getting, you could also have a different internal clock
Speaker 1: from others. Human sleep at night and are active during
Speaker 1: the day generally speaking, or diurnal, and we obey circadian
Speaker 1: rhythms using changes in light and dark and timing to
Speaker 1: guide us when we need to sleep. Sleep wake Homeostasis
Speaker 1: can also be a factor where your body detects how
Speaker 1: long it has been awake and asleep and tries to
Speaker 1: regulate your habits accordingly. But the settings on our internal
Speaker 1: circadian clocks in our sleepway homeostasis sensitivity can vary due
Speaker 1: to your genes. It also varies due to age, which
Speaker 1: is partially why teenagers are such night owls. Speaking of
Speaker 1: night owls, when we return, we're going to take a
Speaker 1: look at some night owl youngsters who are literally owls.
Speaker 1: How do you sleep on your side, on your back,
Speaker 1: curled up in a little ball? How about on your stomach?
Speaker 1: Do you toss and turn all night? All of these
Speaker 1: things are normal, and you move a lot during your
Speaker 1: sleep so your body doesn't get stiff in one position.
Speaker 1: But here's a quick sleep tip. If you're lying awake
Speaker 1: staring up at the ceiling, don't count sheep. If you
Speaker 1: can't fall asleep within ten to fifteen minutes, get out
Speaker 1: of bed and do something relaxing like reading, meditation or
Speaker 1: listening to soothing music until you feel sleepy again. You
Speaker 1: don't want to train your body that your bed is
Speaker 1: a place of restlessness, or you'll get in the habit
Speaker 1: of lying on your side awake, or if you want,
Speaker 1: you could be a real night owl and just plank
Speaker 1: your way to a good night's sleep as well. Now discuss.
Speaker 1: So there is an image that keeps going viral. I
Speaker 1: think it first went viral and like twenty eighteen, then
Speaker 1: it went viral in nineteen and now it's gone viral again.
Speaker 1: And it is a baby owl sleeping face down. The
Speaker 1: mood right there for mood, Yeah, this is the song
Speaker 1: of the year. Is the baby owl sleeping face down?
Speaker 1: And so the current description I've seen there's a lot
Speaker 1: of speculation about this image. So the current description is
Speaker 1: that baby owl sleep face down because their heads are
Speaker 1: too heavy for them to tap up while sleeping. And
Speaker 1: I so I've never this is what's interesting to me
Speaker 1: because I've never really seen an owl sleep in this
Speaker 1: particular position. So I was like, I wanted to do
Speaker 1: some research, like is it true, like are we looking
Speaker 1: at a dead owl? Yeah? Is it like a drunk,
Speaker 1: underaged owl for needs to be who's like comes home
Speaker 1: late from the parties. Somebody calls owl and uber, so
Speaker 1: we called the hooper hooper. Yeah, I'll take it. But
Speaker 1: the so the good news is that from what I
Speaker 1: can tell, and this is my this is just my opinion,
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not like an owl c s I
Speaker 1: I al c s I um AlSi uh special Owl Unit.
Speaker 1: We gotta take we gotta take down like all of
Speaker 1: the problematic shows about like you know c s I
Speaker 1: and place them with Alissa. I'm fine, let's do it.
Speaker 1: Let's do it like owl investigations. I'll get on it. So,
Speaker 1: so the good news is it's probably not dead. I
Speaker 1: think it looks it looks alive to me because okay,
Speaker 1: I'll hallucinate. I will let you know. So this is
Speaker 1: a baby snowy owl and snowy owl chicks nest on
Speaker 1: the ground. So I've seen people saying like, well, why
Speaker 1: would it be sleeping on the ground, Like, wouldn't it
Speaker 1: be in a tree. It's like, no, no, this is
Speaker 1: normal behavior for a baby snowy owl. So they live
Speaker 1: in the tundra in the Arctic region. Their mothers scrape
Speaker 1: out a nest or use an abandoned nest on the
Speaker 1: ground to lay her eggs. So they don't really do
Speaker 1: twigs or any They don't collect things and make a nest.
Speaker 1: The only time you'll find them in a constructed nest
Speaker 1: with like materials is when they've basically rented out a
Speaker 1: nest from like another bird, rented as they're squatting there. Yeah. Right,
Speaker 1: But they will typically just it's called a scrape where
Speaker 1: they they just scrape out an area for the nest
Speaker 1: and they will lay their eggs and she will protect
Speaker 1: this nest very fiercely. They it's actually quite dangerous to
Speaker 1: go up to a snowy owl who is nesting because
Speaker 1: they will attack you fiercely. I'm sorry. I wouldn't even
Speaker 1: close to an owl off it wasn't nothing. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: pedwig would peck out. Yeah. I just think it's funny
Speaker 1: when people are like, oh, I wanted owls a pet.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, don't you do not know? Don't
Speaker 1: do that? Yeah, well, actually I have something to say
Speaker 1: about that later, to about like owl pets. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so snowy owl chicks do appear to sleep laying on
Speaker 1: their tummies, so they can't do it. I can't do it.
Speaker 1: So I haven't seen them laying quite as drunkenly as
Speaker 1: this owl. I mean, looks like he just ate though
Speaker 1: or something. Because there's a mouse. There's a there's a
Speaker 1: mouse there, and so like that. There are a few
Speaker 1: clues that I think means this owl is fine. First
Speaker 1: of all, this seems to be in an enclosure, probably
Speaker 1: at a zoo or rescue, and there is a fresh
Speaker 1: dead mouse in the corner. Um, it's unlikely that if
Speaker 1: it was like a dead owl, that they would just
Speaker 1: keep putting mice in there. Yeah. One. And I just
Speaker 1: feel like I'd be weird if they took a picture
Speaker 1: of it, yeah, like like yeah, like, because this looks
Speaker 1: like this doesn't look like someone's home. This looks like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like an organization. Um, you know, I don't absolutely know,
Speaker 1: so if someone has like the deats on this this
Speaker 1: is like an underground like like fight club, a club.
Speaker 1: Damn me, I will keep you anonymous, but yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 1: so and also if you look closely, it looks like
Speaker 1: it's face is in the dirt, but that is not true.
Speaker 1: Actually you can see it's the feathers around its eyes
Speaker 1: are darker and son a little eye and the beak
Speaker 1: which is also dark. So it's actually sleeping chin chin.
Speaker 1: It doesn't have a chin, but you know, so to speak,
Speaker 1: so to speak, sleeping on its chin. So so that
Speaker 1: is and that is the position that snowy owl chicks
Speaker 1: in the wild do. I don't necessarily see their feet
Speaker 1: split out like that, but I said, they also just
Speaker 1: didn't eat like a bunch of my skill or whatever.
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly, it's got it's got the it's got the
Speaker 1: mouse sweats. It's trying to sleep. But yeah, so it's
Speaker 1: uh so, yeah, that is pretty consistent with how baby
Speaker 1: snowy owl chicks sleep in the wild. It's also that
Speaker 1: this photo is taken from the butt sides, Yeah, especially
Speaker 1: awkward taken from the rear. Couldn't even get an attractive
Speaker 1: side of it. Come on, caretaker person, get it together.
Speaker 1: It's good side although it's it's butt is cute, it's
Speaker 1: got a very I think it's cute, but I bet
Speaker 1: you the owl probably didn't appreciate it. It's like, come on,
Speaker 1: delete it, how dare you? But yeah, I do have
Speaker 1: some pictures here of baby snowy owls in the wild
Speaker 1: sleeping on their tummies, so you can see that they're
Speaker 1: kind of sleeping like from the front. You see there
Speaker 1: in the same position with their little heads sort of
Speaker 1: level with the ground, sleeping on their chins. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: love I love the second picture because it reminds me
Speaker 1: my brothers, who definitely sleep on their bellies quite a bit,
Speaker 1: especially when they were little, and they used to be
Speaker 1: so cranky and I would like take pictures, so I
Speaker 1: always thought it was weird. They're just like you know,
Speaker 1: you know, or like like that, and um and oh man,
Speaker 1: it was just really funny. Like I could just see
Speaker 1: it in their face of just like cranky, leave us alone,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, what's wrong. I think you guys were short. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what it sounded like. Anytime when they were just
Speaker 1: like yelling at me, I was like, I just think
Speaker 1: you're cutey little owlets. Thank you. Also, owl chicks are
Speaker 1: called owlets, which is cute. It's so cute it But
Speaker 1: this is the case for other species of owls as well,
Speaker 1: where the owlets will sleep on their tummies. So even
Speaker 1: baby owls who live in trees, such as the barred owl,
Speaker 1: and they will cling onto the branch with their talents
Speaker 1: and sleep on their stomachs. Oh my god. So adults
Speaker 1: sleep upright, and they also rely on those sharp talents
Speaker 1: to lock into place to keep them secure to the branch.
Speaker 1: But the baby is just kind of like very plank it,
Speaker 1: You know, these these darn kids and their planking every time.
Speaker 1: Now it's happening in the wild. Now, just have you
Speaker 1: spoken to your outlet about flanking and how much it's
Speaker 1: becoming a problem. They're never going to own a house
Speaker 1: this way, oh my god. Now the second, the second
Speaker 1: part of this viral image is the claim that it's
Speaker 1: because their heads are too heavy. And I trust me,
Speaker 1: I dug into this, and I'm not I'm not like
Speaker 1: an owl expert, so I don't really know this offhand,
Speaker 1: and I tried to read up on it, and so
Speaker 1: if you are an owl expert, please get at me
Speaker 1: with this. But from what I could tell it. This
Speaker 1: could be the case. But it's not so much that
Speaker 1: their heads are too heavy. It's just that their neck
Speaker 1: muscles aren't really developed yet, much like the rest of
Speaker 1: their bodies, which are young and weak and sleepy, little
Speaker 1: baby bodies. They can't fly yet, you know, they'res. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like, so their muscles haven't really developed yet, so
Speaker 1: that you know, they want to lie on their tummies. Um,
Speaker 1: But I've also seen pictures of adult owls lying on
Speaker 1: their tummy, so it's not like adults never do it.
Speaker 1: So this is western burrowing owl's found in North America.
Speaker 1: It's a little brown owl and it they burrow into
Speaker 1: the dirt a desert area. Yeah, and this one is
Speaker 1: lying on its tummy in the dirt, legs splayed out.
Speaker 1: It's well, it's clearly it's fully alert, like its eyes
Speaker 1: are open. It's like it's posing, you know, doing a
Speaker 1: sex it's doing a sexy Instagram. It's doing it's gram
Speaker 1: and this root is Instagram and you know what it's, buddy,
Speaker 1: get it. It's a little it's a little it's a
Speaker 1: little fluffy tushy sticking out a little feet splayed out,
Speaker 1: just stretching, but yeah, this, it is. This, it's very cute.
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily know that it sleeps in this position,
Speaker 1: but it's definitely like, excuse me, yeah, it's well, it's
Speaker 1: stretching out, it's having a good times out. Buns out,
Speaker 1: you know, just suns out, buns exactly, let it out, buddy.
Speaker 1: And then this there's another picture of a pet owl
Speaker 1: sleeping on some astro turf. So this looks like it
Speaker 1: might be a Saharan little owl also also known as
Speaker 1: Athena noctura. It is a small owl species and it
Speaker 1: is just kind of like bread loafing where it's wine
Speaker 1: ran on it's tummy. And here's where I am a
Speaker 1: buzz kill. As as I loved, I love to be
Speaker 1: a buzz kill. I just love the room, your your
Speaker 1: buzzing high on these cute animal vibes, and just like
Speaker 1: here I am to kill your bus. I just I'm
Speaker 1: not a big fan of keeping owls as pets. I
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, like if I could have an
Speaker 1: owl as a pet with like no like not worrying
Speaker 1: about the ethics of it and no like in the
Speaker 1: owl was like loved it and could talk and we
Speaker 1: were all magical i'd be great. I understand why people
Speaker 1: want them as pets because they are so cute, they're
Speaker 1: so wonderful, but honestly, they just like they don't really
Speaker 1: make great pets. They and it's like even if they
Speaker 1: like obviously big owls will they are raptors, they are prey,
Speaker 1: they'll they'll they'll up they are they are literally yes, yes, exactly,
Speaker 1: they are literally dinosaurs. And but even the little ones
Speaker 1: who can't like seriously hurt you, it's just not it's
Speaker 1: not fair to them in my opinion. You know, it's
Speaker 1: so most species are not very social outside of family units,
Speaker 1: and they're super active. They're birds of prey. They love
Speaker 1: flying and hunting. So if you like owned one, you
Speaker 1: would basically need to let you know, let them fly
Speaker 1: in a huge area, which I imagine most of the
Speaker 1: people owning them as pets. It's like, you know, you
Speaker 1: keep them in your home house. Yeah, that's just not
Speaker 1: you know, there are so many, there's so many other animals,
Speaker 1: you know, Like, am I like super angry at everyone
Speaker 1: who has one as a pet. No, I mean I
Speaker 1: understand I get it, like they're they're cute, but in
Speaker 1: my opinion, because there are so many other animals that
Speaker 1: make much better pets, like kiddies and doggies. Like, if
Speaker 1: you want an owl as a pet, just get a cat.
Speaker 1: They they're the same basic animals, they're the same thing,
Speaker 1: and cats are much more well adapted to being our pets.
Speaker 1: They they Yeah, no, I'm I'm with you on this one,
Speaker 1: because as much as I love watching watching the cute
Speaker 1: videos on YouTube of them in the wild, or even
Speaker 1: people who do have them as pets, it's it's actually
Speaker 1: really funny to watch some of the people who do,
Speaker 1: at least not all of them. Some of them for
Speaker 1: sure will be like I know that you guys love
Speaker 1: watching videos of my owl. They are not pets. Like
Speaker 1: if you don't know anything about birds, especially owls, like
Speaker 1: don't don't have one, don't go out and catch one.
Speaker 1: It's not going to work. They're not it's a it's
Speaker 1: illegal to do that. But I mean, most of the
Speaker 1: people that I've watched are people that have other birds,
Speaker 1: and they're either part of some sort of like a
Speaker 1: conversation um conservation, thank you, I can word again, sleep
Speaker 1: four hours part of the conservation conversation, you get it.
Speaker 1: But like the fact that they're they either work with
Speaker 1: these birds for some odd reason, or they're doing something
Speaker 1: they're either a researcher or or it was an injured
Speaker 1: owl that like maybe like the rehabilitating it. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: they're going to give them to or either put them
Speaker 1: back into the wild or give them to a place
Speaker 1: that they that they can continue on. Like most of
Speaker 1: the people I usually watch for is for uh, science
Speaker 1: based only, you know, or again rehab a rehabilitation in
Speaker 1: some way, shape and form. But they always say every
Speaker 1: single time, they're like, do not have these as pets.
Speaker 1: They are not the ones that you would like to
Speaker 1: like domesticate. Like, it's just not it's just not a thing.
Speaker 1: If you want one, get get a dog, get a cat,
Speaker 1: you know, or something of that nature. Yeah, why don't
Speaker 1: we conclude food with a very calming subject about one
Speaker 1: of the I think people perceive these as one of
Speaker 1: the laziest animals, and I can't say they're necessarily wrong,
Speaker 1: but it is the snail. So land snails are snails?
Speaker 1: Are Interestingly you you mentioned like to me one of
Speaker 1: your favorite animals are OCTOPI yeah, I was like octopy
Speaker 1: question marks, and like, is that the correct term? It's
Speaker 1: actually os. I think it's actually it's actually octopuses, but honestly, whatever,
Speaker 1: Like I get the idea when someone says octopi, I
Speaker 1: think technically the it should be it should be octopuses.
Speaker 1: But I understand what you're saying, So why doesn't I know?
Speaker 1: But I always feel back, So that's why I go, octopuses, octopi? Octopus? What? How?
Speaker 1: What is it called? How do you? How do you
Speaker 1: do the thing? Octopus? Sex? Yeah, you get it? Multiple octopus, Like, yes,
Speaker 1: I do. I've always found them very fascinating. One because
Speaker 1: I'm always like, Okay, I'm not gonna get too deep
Speaker 1: into it, so you don't have to put this in
Speaker 1: the podcast. But like I'm always just like I don't
Speaker 1: think that their actual sea creatures. I think they're aliens
Speaker 1: and they're not from here and they're hanging out in
Speaker 1: our oceans to learn. But that's like a whole different
Speaker 1: thing that we can get into another time. But like,
Speaker 1: I just think that it's really cool of how intelligent
Speaker 1: they are, how flexible, how they're able to think through
Speaker 1: puzzles and all it, like it's all it's so cool.
Speaker 1: It's so freaking cool. Especially did you know that did
Speaker 1: you know that they are related to snails. No, hell,
Speaker 1: people work, Yeah, they are. Snails and octopuses are both mollusks. Uh,
Speaker 1: snails are terrestrial or at least land snails are terrestrial
Speaker 1: gastropods and octopuses are cephalopods. That makes sense, right, all right?
Speaker 1: I got that. Yeah, I got you, I got you.
Speaker 1: But you know they're both. They're both squished animals. Yeah
Speaker 1: they are. They are related distant, of course, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it is. It is one of those things where it's like, yeah, actually,
Speaker 1: snails and octopuses they're they're coins. Everybody about that. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna be at a party and be like,
Speaker 1: did you don't reme we're distant cousins octopuses and snails.
Speaker 1: Let me get into it more. So, snails can are
Speaker 1: just like very excellent nappers if you kind of fudge
Speaker 1: with the definition of napping. So, land snails can be
Speaker 1: dormant for long periods of time through hibernation or estivation.
Speaker 1: So estivation sounds like a fancy, fancy word. It's just hibernation,
Speaker 1: but during the summer months, like during dry hot so
Speaker 1: instead of during like cold during summer during hot and
Speaker 1: dry spells, so I wish. I wish I could sleep
Speaker 1: when it's hot. No, I had you know, I live
Speaker 1: in l A. And I had a year where or
Speaker 1: I had a summer where I did not have air conditioning,
Speaker 1: super hot, and like basically what I would do to
Speaker 1: sleep at night was like get up every half hour
Speaker 1: and then just like step into the shower with my
Speaker 1: pajamas on and like get cold water and meal and
Speaker 1: squish back into bed. Oh my god, it's just it's
Speaker 1: so hot. Yeah, that's that's but that's sort of a
Speaker 1: similar strategy that these snails do. Is they they need,
Speaker 1: they really need moisture to survive. So if they are
Speaker 1: going into a real hot and dry spell, they will
Speaker 1: seal off their shells with mucus to retain some of
Speaker 1: that moisture. So basically they close the little doors to
Speaker 1: their shells, seal them off with mucus, and they are
Speaker 1: closed for business. Imagine a little like we are clothes sign.
Speaker 1: I want someone to draw that. That's so cute. First
Speaker 1: day summer. All right, Well, my guys, that's how I feel.
Speaker 1: That's I wish I wish we could just like to
Speaker 1: get through this this time, the pandemic times. I know
Speaker 1: we can't like there's a lot of important work to
Speaker 1: be done right now. But it's also part to me
Speaker 1: that's just like I just want to close down shut
Speaker 1: shell closed for business, and we can't do that. We've
Speaker 1: got it. We've got to remain part of our human
Speaker 1: fabric of society, you know. But there's part of me.
Speaker 1: There's part of me that wants to snail it up.
Speaker 1: It sounds like right now, oh man, I need to
Speaker 1: get myself some Nope, never mind. But they can hibernate
Speaker 1: or estivate for many hours, days, months, and allegedly years.
Speaker 1: There is a case of a snail called the Ermina desertorum,
Speaker 1: which is a species of Egyptian land snail, which was
Speaker 1: collected in eighteen forty six, and they thought the snail
Speaker 1: was dead and they glued it to an index card
Speaker 1: as a specimen and kept it in a museum, and
Speaker 1: three years later they revived it, so they know, I
Speaker 1: think they noticed some like movement in it and then
Speaker 1: they put water on it. So this was documented by
Speaker 1: science writer Grant Alan, who was like this old timey
Speaker 1: Canadian dude, and I'm sure he had like but you know,
Speaker 1: it's but like I I can only imagine him having
Speaker 1: like a stuffy British accent, So that's how I'm going
Speaker 1: to read it. But he was Canadian, so uh, this
Speaker 1: is what he wrote. The museum authorities accordingly ordered off
Speaker 1: Frond a warm bath. Who shall say hereafter that science
Speaker 1: is unfeeling, upon which the grateful snail, waking up at
Speaker 1: the touch of the familiar moisture, put his head cautiously
Speaker 1: out of his shell, walked up. How does snails walk?
Speaker 1: Walked up to the top of the basin and began
Speaker 1: to take a cursory survey of British institutions with his
Speaker 1: four eye bearing tentacles. So strange. A recovery from a
Speaker 1: long torpid condition only quoted by that of the seven
Speaker 1: sleepers of his spee, just deserved an exceptional amount of
Speaker 1: scientific recognition. Oh no, I can totally see it too.
Speaker 1: That's the worst. Par He's like, I'm writing this and
Speaker 1: it's going to be a fun time. Snail has awoken
Speaker 1: from its door. Par I must document this incredible. All
Speaker 1: I hear is Nigel Thornberry just being so excited that
Speaker 1: it's happening, and he's just like it all out. I
Speaker 1: love the wild Thornberry's as a kid. That was a
Speaker 1: huge influence in my life. And it's redheaded little girl
Speaker 1: crazy about animals. John could talk to animals kind of
Speaker 1: kind of crazy, super super dorky. Yes, yes, thank you,
Speaker 1: but no, that's exactly what that reminded me of. Just
Speaker 1: Nigel's just going off and I just think I was
Speaker 1: just looking up the article too, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I know again adding to my late night reading material.
Speaker 1: Because this happened in eighteen forty six, it doesn't make
Speaker 1: me like skeptical because like they are all sorts of
Speaker 1: like weird hoaxes back then, or they're like we found
Speaker 1: a dead angel and it's just like this fake skeleton.
Speaker 1: But like so it's like it's hard to know, like
Speaker 1: did this actually happen? Was it an old timey hoax?
Speaker 1: Was it like some old timey intern playing a prank
Speaker 1: on these stuffy you know, really funny But yeah, so
Speaker 1: I I don't really know. I do think in theory
Speaker 1: it's possible because snails can hibernate many months and they
Speaker 1: slow down their metabolism. It's it's different from just sleeping.
Speaker 1: They actually their physiology slows down so that they go
Speaker 1: into the state of like suspended animation, so they if
Speaker 1: they can like seal themselves into a tomb of their
Speaker 1: own mucus. I mean, I guess it is theoretically possible
Speaker 1: for us to last a few years like that, but
Speaker 1: I don't know. I still feel like it could have
Speaker 1: been a prank by like Ezekiel the intern. I really
Speaker 1: wanted to be that. I know that it would be
Speaker 1: really great or not like really great to be like
Speaker 1: kind of sad, like, oh it wasn't real, But I
Speaker 1: would also just be like applauded vikil he came up
Speaker 1: with something real good. I have deployed the most the
Speaker 1: most ingenious of Shenanigan. I love it. Yeah, that's exactly
Speaker 1: how I would want it to play out, and be
Speaker 1: like someone needs to give him a statue, please and
Speaker 1: thank you most to Shenanigans. I want it or at
Speaker 1: least make it to at least make a movie about it.
Speaker 1: I just all I want it engaged in such Tom
Speaker 1: Floury that I am informing you my YouTube. Yes please
Speaker 1: and thanks Tis, but a bit of Tom Floury, my brother.
Speaker 1: But that is that is it for our talks about us.
Speaker 1: And now I think I'm gonna take a nap. I
Speaker 1: was actually going to go back right to it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just get back into it, you know, like sometimes you
Speaker 1: gotta learn by doing. I'm gonna just I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: like the I'm just gonna be like the sperm whale
Speaker 1: and just take a nap every fifteen minutes. And it's
Speaker 1: that time, Katie, I gotta call. Yeah, I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: like the giraffe and put my head on that. But
Speaker 1: I want it. Well, thank you so much for joining me.
Speaker 1: Do you have anything to plug? Just my social media's
Speaker 1: a torres eight nine zero. That's a t O R
Speaker 1: R e s eight nine zero. I'm just you know again,
Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna be talking about animals for the next
Speaker 1: month and a half now because I'm gonna be looking
Speaker 1: up all this research and bugging Katie and be like
Speaker 1: going to be so many you don't even understand. Um.
Speaker 1: But like, at the same time, there will be some
Speaker 1: other projects I can't talk about right at this moment,
Speaker 1: but there will be things happening sooner hopefully rather than later.
Speaker 1: We'll see um. But at the same time, just keep
Speaker 1: track of me there. Like I said, I will just
Speaker 1: be sharing all of the things, especially auto videos maybe
Speaker 1: not technically animal but animal crossing videos. Hopefully so much.
Speaker 1: Friend coach is happening. You got to come to my
Speaker 1: aland yes, yes, yes, yeah, especially because like I'm on
Speaker 1: the I'm gonna be sad because I'm on the Southern Hemisphere,
Speaker 1: so I will be able to join the summer swimming,
Speaker 1: but I will be visiting people to do the summer
Speaker 1: coun to my island. We will swim together. But yeah,
Speaker 1: definitely doing that kind of stuff. Hopefully going to be,
Speaker 1: like I said, doing some crazy things in the next
Speaker 1: month's to come. But yeah, that's pretty much at eight
Speaker 1: to eight nine zer, I'll follow me, hang out with me,
Speaker 1: maybe play some animal crossing with me because it's my
Speaker 1: first time playing, so it will be awesome. Yeah, So
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