1 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius XM Triumph Channel 2 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:12,559 Speaker 1: one thirty two. Tampa police on the hunt for a 3 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: killer after the shooting gats of three people in ten days. 4 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: We will hunt this son of a down until we 5 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 1: find the three victims gunned down less than half a 6 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 1: mile apart. Tampa's mayor doing what he can to reassure 7 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: the public so that they've added a thousand street lights 8 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: to the Seminal Heights neighborhood and that they won't stop 9 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: until that killer is caught. Nobody comes into our house 10 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 1: and does this not now, Not ever. Authorities poring over, 11 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: bringing surveillance video for clues, looking at this person of 12 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: interest walking alone, wearing a hood on the night of 13 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 1: the first killing. I need that Seminar Heights community to 14 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: stand up and I need them to point out who 15 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: that man is. You guys, go hunt him down and 16 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: bring his head to me. After the Tampa Cereal killer 17 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: claims another victim. Now, police actually going through this street 18 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 1: eats on mounted patrol, trying to protect the innocent and 19 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: stop the serial killer who has been stalking the city, 20 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: paralyzing the city. Why why can't this guy be caught? 21 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 1: He doesn't murder for so far, shoots the person dead 22 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 1: in public and walks away. He doesn't even run. Why 23 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:26,119 Speaker 1: can't he be caught? I Meancy Grace, this is crime Stories. 24 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. With me investigative reporter 25 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: Meridison Soulo on the scene in Tampa. W f L A, 26 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: Alexis Torez, Chuck Radar Online investigative reporter Cheryl McCullum, director 27 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: of the Cold Case Institute, and Dr Tiffany Sanders, renowned psychologists, 28 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: joining us out of Chicago. First to Meridison Sulo with 29 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: w f l A in Tampa. Meredith police are now 30 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: walking the streets seven un mounted horse explained, that's right. 31 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: This is the latest development in terms of police saturation 32 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: of the area. Mounted patrols added to the streets over 33 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: the weekend. They will be visible for the next several weeks. 34 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: We now have the cruisers from Florida Highway Patrol supplementing 35 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: along with all of the other agencies, both national and local, 36 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: that have been canvassing the area searching for this serial killer. 37 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: Just over the weekend, the fourth victim, Ronald Felton, sixty 38 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: years old, was laid to rest. He was murdered on November, 39 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: the fourth victim these murders stretching back to October ninth, 40 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: and right now there is a one hundred thousand dollar 41 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: reward for information that can lead to the capture of 42 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: this killer. Tampa Police telling me more than eleven hundred 43 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: tips have come in so far, but right now they're 44 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: just working off of that one witness description that they have, 45 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: as well as surveillance camera video from the night of 46 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 1: the first and fourth murders. That fourth murder of Ronald 47 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 1: Felton showing what appears to be a hall slender African 48 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: American or light skinned African American um person scene at 49 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: the scene, scene running from the scene. We do know 50 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: that all four victims were killed with gunshots, most likely 51 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: from behind. This person is sneaking up on their victims. 52 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 1: It is believed that the killer is from the Seminal 53 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 1: Heights area because of the ease in which this person 54 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: has been able to escape the crime scenes and hide out, 55 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: and again this area is completely saturated. The night of 56 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: the fourth murder, there were law enforcement officers just seconds away, 57 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: and that's what is leading investigators to believe that this 58 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: person is right under our noses. But no one is 59 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: coming forward with information, so this reward keeps going up, 60 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: hoping that someone will crack and someone will provide tips. 61 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: But right now, I think this community just feels like 62 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: it's a waiting game for the next murder. There was 63 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: about a one month gap in between the third and 64 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: for the murders, and people sort of seemed to relax 65 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: a little bit. But but now it's when is this 66 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: person going to strike? When is this going to happen again? 67 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: And it's very likely because we still don't have anyone 68 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: being questioned and held as a suspect in these murders. 69 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 1: You know, this last victim, as Meredith, Sincelo was telling us, 70 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: has been laid to rest in the last hours. He 71 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: is remembered as a quote superman of service. He was 72 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: gunned down by the Tampa serial killer, targeting that same 73 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 1: Seminole Heights neighborhood, and he was just remembered in the 74 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: last hours by family and friends gathered around his casket 75 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: draped with white flowers and violent ribbons attached a blanket 76 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: of flowers, and he was hailed as caring, caring for 77 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 1: other people. The supervi so at a food bank was 78 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 1: there and he said, I was a supervisor, but he 79 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,799 Speaker 1: was the one in charge. Everybody came to him, everybody 80 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: looked up to him. Felton has a twin brother, Reggie, 81 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: who says, if you have a heart, please turn yourself in. 82 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 1: That's all we want. I can tell you right now, 83 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: this guy is not going to turn himself in. I 84 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: know that for a fact. You know what's interesting to 85 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: alexis Terrescho joining me along with Meredistin Sulo and Dr 86 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: Tiffany Sanders and Sheryl McCollum Alexa's Many people have argued 87 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: or hypothesized that because there was a delay before the 88 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: last killing, that there is no pattern, But I disagree 89 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: with that. I think that many serial killers have weeks 90 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: or even longer delays between murders. You're absolutely right, they do. 91 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: And the thing is that this guy, he only waited 92 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 1: a month and I chose, and they the police have 93 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: actually said that the second murder and this this latest one, 94 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 1: the fourth one, are connected. So the of three weeks 95 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: between at the month, that's that's not a big gap. 96 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: This guy is still out for blood, and I think 97 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: that it's very scary that it's happening right in the 98 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 1: neighborhood at the bus stop, and it's it's a deliberate 99 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: target that he's picking. You know that. That gives me 100 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 1: a question. Meredith in Ceulo joining us on the s 101 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: w f l A in Tampa. Meredith, this last victim 102 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: that was gunned down, was he getting off a bus 103 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 1: or did he drive and park? We know he did 104 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 1: not drive. Um. He was known to um use a 105 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: bike in that area when he would go to and 106 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: from the food bank. His bike was actually located at 107 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 1: the food bank there chained up UM. But he may 108 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: have been going to meet someone at the bus stop. 109 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 1: From a witness account, he was walking across the road 110 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,919 Speaker 1: back towards the food bank when he was shot and killed. 111 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: We also know that he had been on the phone 112 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 1: with a brother of his who was coming to meet 113 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,679 Speaker 1: him at the food bank, and that brother was writing 114 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: a bus to get there, So there is certainly a 115 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 1: bus stop connection. There are multiple bus stops along this 116 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: stretch of roadway as far as we know, though he 117 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: was walking in the middle of the road, either to 118 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: or from the other side of the road, perhaps a 119 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: bus stop, but it sounds like he was going to 120 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: meet someone rather than take that actual bus himself because 121 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: his bike was found at the FEAT. You know, Dr 122 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: Tiffany Sanders, psychologist joining us out of Chicago. It's so 123 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: hard to take in that one moment your life is fine, 124 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: and literally the next moment it's changed forever. And I've 125 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: talked about this many times with Alexis and Cheryl Tiffany 126 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: I Will. I'm thinking of it right now. The day 127 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: that I walked into a statistics exam and I came 128 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: out of the exam in an de grad and the 129 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: sky was blue and the sun was shining, and I 130 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: was happy and it was beautiful. I remember that. And 131 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: I was walking across campus and paused at the student 132 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: union to call the library where I worked, to tell 133 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: them my exam and run thirty minutes twenty minutes long, 134 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: and I was en route and they told me to 135 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: call my fiance sister. And I knew right then that 136 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: Keith was dead. I just knew, and he was. He 137 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 1: had been murdered, and that changed the course of events 138 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: for the rest of my life. And I don't like 139 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: to think back on it. And and just recently, and 140 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: I've talked a lot to Alexis Cinsure all about this, 141 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: um everything was fine at what where everybody's getting ready 142 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: for Thanksgiving, and my dad had some congestion in his 143 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: lungs and they want him to go in the hospital. 144 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: And I'm the one that encouraged him to go in 145 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 1: the hospital. And I don't know why they did this. 146 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: A flooded his body with fluids to make his kidney 147 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 1: work better, and he essentially drowned in the congestion in 148 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: his lungs. And one day everything was fine, and the 149 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: next day my dad was gone. And I'm thinking about 150 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: these victims families. We now have four dead people. It's 151 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 1: so much worse, Dr Tiffany, when it's violent crime. I 152 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: can't really explain it. It's not only do you have 153 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: to deal with the loss of the one you love 154 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: the most your world, but then you have to deal 155 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: with the fact that someone intentionally did this thing for 156 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 1: no reason random. It's just it's almost too much to 157 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: take in. Dr Tiffany Sanders. Yeah, Nancy, it's it's so 158 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: heartbreaking to hear your story about your your fiance and 159 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: your dad, and and just to think about anyone who 160 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: is a victim of violent crime and one where you 161 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: lose your loved when the grief is overwhelming, the anger, 162 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: the stration, uh, you know, wishing that you could go 163 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,559 Speaker 1: back in time and and redo that chain of events 164 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: that may have led up to that killing. Um, maybe 165 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: tell your brother, hey, don't go that way, or go 166 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: this way, or don't take that bus route. And if 167 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: these should have would have could have played up playing 168 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: your head all day long, and it it causes more anxiety, 169 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 1: it can lead to depression. And you can't stop because 170 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: someone insisted on taking another person's life and they had 171 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: no right to do that. Their lack of empathy, their 172 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: lack of remorse because even after the first or second killing, 173 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: they know the pain that the loved ones are going through, 174 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: yet they still decide to commit this level of crime, 175 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: this violent act. And so you have to wonder what 176 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: type of person will do that in broad daylight or 177 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: come up from behind an innocent person who cannot defend themselves. 178 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 1: So it's it's egregious, it's heartbreaking. Um, it's horrific to know. 179 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 1: And I hope that the police do get this person 180 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 1: because he's he's causing domestic terrorism in the minds of people. 181 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: He is paralyzing the community. And also Dr Tiffany and 182 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: I'll say this to you, Meredith, Meredith Sinculo joining us 183 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: from w f L A Tampa TV. Meredith, the thing 184 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: is that now I'm afraid people are going to, just 185 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: as they did before, get lulled into a sense of complacency. 186 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 1: Because this whole thing started October nine when a young guy, 187 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: twenty two year old Benjamin Mitchell shot dead. Two days 188 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: later saying it was a serial killer, yet thirty two 189 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: year old Monica Hoffa shot dead. She was the one 190 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: that was the apple of her parents. I her mom's 191 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: death and she would interpret for her mother. October nineteen 192 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: to see time pass, Just a little bit of time passes, 193 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: there not much. Anthony Neboa, twenty years old, killed after 194 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:48,959 Speaker 1: he took the wrong bus home from his new job. 195 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: He just happened to be in the Seminal Heights area. 196 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: Now a month passes and Ronald Felton is gunned down, 197 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: and in those few weeks, people were lulled into a 198 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: sense of complacency. I don't want that to happen again, Meredith. Right, 199 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: you know what's what's interesting and sad. At the same 200 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: time as in that three and a half weeks um 201 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 1: people did start to go on as if Okay, this 202 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: is done. They actually painted a giant mural in honor 203 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: of the first three victims, thinking this is it, you know, 204 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: let's remember these people. And that mural was not finished 205 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 1: more than a day or two when this fourth murder happened. Um, 206 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 1: and that's that's that's really sad. I don't know what's 207 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: the killer seeing this and and thought, hey, wait a minute, 208 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: I'm I'm still here, you know, Or was there some 209 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,079 Speaker 1: reason why he couldn't get back out on the streets 210 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: and and and commit another crime. And in that three 211 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: and a half weeks, we just don't know. Well I 212 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: know this, I guarantee you he is sitting back watching 213 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: all of the coverage, probably listening to this on Serious 214 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:57,439 Speaker 1: X two. Take a listen to what the police chief 215 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: has to say. If you recall, this was the video, 216 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: noticed the the hoodie or rain jacket, noticed the gate, 217 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: and how they're walking, the phone flip, and how they're 218 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:14,839 Speaker 1: nonchalantly just walking. Appears to be looking at his phone. 219 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: It appears to be a light color jacket. I think 220 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: that's very misleading. You see it here. It now looks 221 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: a little bit of a color, darker colored jacket. Same individual. 222 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: We originally called him someone we wanted to talk to. 223 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: It went to a person of interest. Today, we're gonna 224 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: call the same individual a suspect, and you're gonna see why. 225 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:51,319 Speaker 1: In just a moment yesterday morning, November, moments before the homicide, 226 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: same gate, same walk, Maybe not the same jacket, definitely 227 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: a hoodie. I repeat, we're now calling this person a suspect, 228 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 1: and we need to know who this person is. We 229 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:12,199 Speaker 1: need someone who is thoughtful, cares and has the heart 230 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: and the fortitude and the bravery to step forward and 231 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: tell us who this person is and give us the identity. 232 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: I don't need speculation, we don't need profiles, we need names. 233 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: It's pretty simple. All you have to do is called 234 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: crime Stoppers at one eight hundred eight seven three tips. 235 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: We know this, we know the reward for information on 236 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 1: these four deadly shootings has now skyrocketed to a hundred 237 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: and ten thousand dollars. 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And now we head across 293 00:17:56,080 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 1: the country where police are stymy Corinth police stimy, they're stuck. 294 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: They've hit a wall after a young who ed is 295 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:10,919 Speaker 1: found murdered in her car. Now Amanda Claremont absolutely gorgeous. 296 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: She she looks like a model. Her dream was to 297 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 1: become a makeup artist, and she had just created a 298 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 1: new Instagram account that showed off all of her work 299 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 1: before she was found murdered in a vacant parking lot 300 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:29,360 Speaker 1: in Corinth. Now to Alexis Torres Chuck joining me writer 301 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 1: on online dot com and John Limley Crime Stories investigative reporter. 302 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: What do we know? To you, Alexis to res Chuck, 303 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,919 Speaker 1: what do we know about this area, Corinth It's about 304 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 1: thirty miles north of Dallas. It is it's a small town, 305 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: seventeen thousand people really, just tiny little town north of Dallas. 306 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: And she was well known, she had lots of family. 307 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 1: Her brother said that, you know, it said Saturday afternoon, 308 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: she'd been out with her friends, and then they didn't 309 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: hear from her at all until the police on her 310 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,679 Speaker 1: body at six o'clock in the morning on Sunday. Now 311 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 1: you're telling me the time of death was the afternoon, Alexis. 312 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: You said Saturday afternoon, the last time that they heard 313 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 1: from her. Her brother said she'd been out with her 314 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 1: friends on a Saturday afternoon, because that's when you talked 315 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: to her. You know, it's just a warm Sunday in 316 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: Texas on a Saturday. Well, this town, to John Limley 317 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:22,919 Speaker 1: Crime Stories contributing reporter, is kind of like a sleeper, 318 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 1: a bedroom community. It's um as Alexis to rest Chuck 319 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 1: was just telling us, just a few miles north of Dallas. 320 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: It's about seventeen twenty one thousand people, a very low 321 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 1: crime rate. She had just posted on Twitter follow my 322 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 1: new makeup Instagram account and support my work. Please. Now 323 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: they find her, you go ahead tell me what you know. Well, 324 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 1: as as you were saying, Amanda Claremont, twenty one year 325 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: old student, she fit in perfectly in this little town, 326 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 1: a college student who people say was nice to everyone. 327 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,719 Speaker 1: She was dead in a parking lot in this tiny 328 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: Texas town. And this is the first murder there in 329 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 1: nearly two decades. Uh. Con my stars, I didn't know that, 330 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: John Limley. Absolutely, it had been quite some time. Corinth 331 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 1: Police say that she was found shot inside her car, 332 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 1: and this was a vacant parking lot off of an interstate. 333 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,919 Speaker 1: They found her Sunday morning. As has been mentioned, she 334 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: was pronounced dead at the scene. Um, back to the town, 335 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: the didn't This town is in Denton County. Uh, and 336 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 1: it's really close to the University of North Texas where 337 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 1: Claremont was a senior and she was majoring in religious studies. 338 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: She's just a beautiful young girl, and apparently beautiful on 339 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 1: the inside and the outside. Now what is interesting to me, 340 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: John Limley. Her car headlights were still on and the 341 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: passenger side door was still open. Passenger side door open. 342 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: The fact that her lights were on. Tell me that 343 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 1: she either drove her car there or her car was 344 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 1: driven there, car jacked, whatever, when it was still dark. 345 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 1: Now the brother her brother last heard from her in 346 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 1: the afternoon. We think the late afternoon. Now you have 347 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: to take into account, as Jackie's pointing out right here, 348 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 1: it hadn't been long because the battery had not run 349 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: down yet and the lights were still on. And I 350 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: think about this all the time, Alexis terres shut. You've 351 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,400 Speaker 1: got your little boy, the twins. I don't know why 352 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 1: they do it. I'm driving them around in a minivan, 353 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: even in daylight. They'll be playing in the back of 354 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 1: the minivan and they'll turn on the side lights, and 355 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: you know, I'll bring them in and I happen to 356 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: go out to get the dog or to do this 357 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: or that. It will be, you know, eleven o'clock at night. 358 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:53,640 Speaker 1: I see the lights on in the back of the van. 359 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, dear Lord in Heaven, I've got to 360 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 1: get jumped off. But no, the lights are still on, 361 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: so I guess the car is okay. Then lights were 362 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: still on, Alexis, and the passenger side door was open, 363 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: not the driver's side. The passenger side. And another question 364 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: I have, and I know you don't know the answer 365 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: to this one because it hasn't been released yet. It 366 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: says a vacant parking lot. Now does that mean we're 367 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 1: at a Walmart but nobody's there, or is it just 368 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:25,120 Speaker 1: one of those like dirt lots where people park. Uh, 369 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 1: why was it vacant? And was it near a mall 370 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: or a store or just kind of out in the 371 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: middle of nowhere. That's going to reflect that's gonna give 372 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: me clues, Alexis as to who the killer is. And 373 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,199 Speaker 1: that's the thing that's so scary. When they say a 374 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: vacant parking lot, it might mean that there are no 375 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 1: cameras around to capture it, but it is it's the 376 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 1: middle of the you know, the night, the sun is 377 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 1: just coming up, and she's found shot multiple times. The 378 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: in fact, when when she was first found, police wouldn't 379 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: even release how many times that she had been shot. 380 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: And so she was just there in the driver's seat, 381 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: passenger door wide open, abandoned with our lights on. Just 382 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: that's just a scary thought that this this girl who 383 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: was just out with her friends hours earlier, could be 384 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: found abandoned in a parking lot. Nobody cared enough to 385 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,199 Speaker 1: do anything to help her, you know. Uh, John Limley, 386 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:15,360 Speaker 1: Crime Stories contributing reporter, I've dug a little bit on her, 387 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: and I learned that, as you told me, she was 388 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,719 Speaker 1: a senior at University of North Texas. But I also 389 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: learned that she was raised in Sandwich, Illinois, and moved 390 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: to Texas about ten years ago after her mother passed 391 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 1: away with cancer. So she is what twenty four now? 392 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 1: Her mom passed away when she was just ten years old. 393 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:43,439 Speaker 1: She attended high school in Frisco, and that she she 394 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: was extremely popular and was known for her hair and makeup, 395 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 1: always looking beautiful. That was her thing. Right now, Lucy's 396 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 1: thing is guinea pigs and gymnastics. Okay, now I can't 397 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 1: even I don't even know where to go with that. Said, 398 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: I can tell you I'm the one cleaning their pin out, 399 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: all right, So we'll just go with that. Alexas, see 400 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 1: what you got to look forward to. So I'm trying 401 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: to get an idea about this girl. John Linley with me, 402 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 1: Alexis torres Chuck with me. Dr Tiffany Sanders with me, 403 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: Hey hold on, John, Dr Tiffany. I always think about Okay, 404 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: don't laugh. I think about Madonna because you know, Madonna's 405 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,120 Speaker 1: mother passed away when she I think was about ten 406 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 1: years old, and from that point on she didn't get 407 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: along with her dad. They're all sorts of issues, and 408 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: it it gave her a lot of pain. Two, lose 409 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: your parents, your mother at tan What does that do 410 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,640 Speaker 1: to someone? Dr Tiffany, Well, you know your your mom. 411 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: Your parents essentially are your first teachers, they're your first caregivers. 412 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: They're they're the one who who helped guide you through life. Unfortunately, 413 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,399 Speaker 1: to lose your mother at such a young age, it 414 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: can it can throw you off track, it can devastate you. 415 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: It can cause you have a lot of anger, resentment, 416 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: and and for this young lady, she doesn't seem like 417 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 1: that was the case. She was loved by everyone. The 418 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,400 Speaker 1: photos of her, she's beautiful, she was studying religious studies. 419 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 1: So it makes it more heartbreaking to know that this 420 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 1: is a young lady who was on a good path 421 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 1: in life, who left everyone and was just snuffed out 422 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,719 Speaker 1: from under us for no apparent reason. It's just tragic. 423 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 1: Dancy and another thing, um John lonely, a young girl 424 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 1: who had already gone through so much, losing a parent, relocating, 425 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 1: starting over. Those are hard things that for adults to 426 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: go through. It's certainly is and and the friends of 427 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 1: Amanda say that she was on the perfect career path 428 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 1: for this young woman, that not only was she beautiful, 429 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:47,880 Speaker 1: but she could make other people beautiful with hair and makeup. 430 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: Of One former classmate said that her look was very unique, 431 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,639 Speaker 1: that you did not mistake Amanda for anyone else um. 432 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 1: Amanda was a senior at the University of North Texas, 433 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 1: and the president there released a statement last week saying 434 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 1: that their hearts are heavy and the news of the 435 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: tragic loss of her life has really uh impacted the 436 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: campus in a way unimaginable to many people. Claremont's brother, 437 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,919 Speaker 1: UH David actually turned to Twitter on the day of 438 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:24,679 Speaker 1: his sister's murder after her body was discovered, and uh 439 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 1: let everyone know that this was an important life that 440 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 1: had been stolen from not only the family but the 441 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 1: friends as well, and the way to have her live 442 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 1: on is to never stop loving those family and friends 443 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 1: around you, and he ended saying, I love you, Amanda. 444 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 1: I have an idea. I have an idea, Alex number one. 445 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 1: I'm getting a little bit more information that Jackie managed 446 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,919 Speaker 1: to get through one of her sources. The car was 447 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 1: part up against a fence with the lights on. The 448 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: passenger door opened up against a fence, So that's giving 449 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 1: me a clue about the parking lot. It was a 450 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 1: legitimate parking lot, lots and just dirt area. Uh, it 451 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,400 Speaker 1: was a legitimate parking lot, but they're not. I don't 452 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: get a good location. I do know this. It was 453 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 1: off Interstate thirty five East in Denton County. I know 454 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: that UM officers had stopped to check the car she 455 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,640 Speaker 1: was in after seeing it part in a vacant lot. 456 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:24,119 Speaker 1: It was along the block of a highway service road. 457 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: That's an access road. You know what that says to me. 458 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 1: That says to me, You know those little roads and 459 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: go on the side of an interstate and there might 460 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: be businesses or just open land there. Somebody had to 461 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: know about that access road. You kind of have to 462 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: know how to get back in there. It's just north 463 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 1: of Corinth Parkway. And we also know that there is 464 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 1: a tip line. I think that the way to find 465 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: this person is to figure out where she was and 466 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 1: go back through the last twenty four hours of her life. 467 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,120 Speaker 1: If she was out with friends the afternoon before. Who 468 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 1: were they, where were they are there surveillance ideas, just 469 00:27:58,520 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: as just say she was at a t G. I 470 00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 1: for ideas. I'm just pulling that out of the sky. 471 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: They asked surveillance video. Who was she with, who did 472 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: she leave with? Where did they go? Did that place 473 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 1: have a surveillance video? Unless she was carjacked at a 474 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 1: red light? She was with somebody, Alexis, And there are 475 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:18,120 Speaker 1: clues left behind Alexis, And that's what the police need 476 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 1: to be looking at. They need to find out who 477 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: she was with. And that's what the brother said. She 478 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,639 Speaker 1: was out with a group of friends. Maybe these weren't 479 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 1: exactly friends of hers. But the fact that you know, 480 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 1: they didn't hear from her for hours and hours, and 481 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 1: that she disappeared all night long and nobody sang they 482 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,400 Speaker 1: were trying to call her, They didn't sing, her cell 483 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 1: phone wasn't working or anything like that. So maybe they 484 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 1: weren't that worried about her because they knew who she 485 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: was with. This is what I know now. The search 486 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 1: for the killer of this beautiful girl goes on. This 487 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: young girl, a man to Claremont with her life before 488 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: her already overcoming so many obstacles, was shot dead tipline 489 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: nine four zero four eight to zero one seven. Again 490 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: we are following this and bring you the latest at 491 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 1: crime online dot com. Repeat nine four zero four nine 492 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: eight to zero one seven as we search for who 493 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 1: took the life of this young girl. 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Yet and believe it 549 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: are not a go fund me drive started to raise 550 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 1: money for an elaborate funeral for Charles Manson. I got 551 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 1: a pretty good idea. Who's gonna claim that body Satan 552 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 1: builds the bub? One of the Devil's minions. That's the 553 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 1: only one I can think of, because all of his 554 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 1: best friends are still behind bars. With me, Dr Tiffany 555 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 1: Sanders psychologists joining us from Chicago, Cheryl McCollum, crime scene 556 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 1: investigator and director of the Cold Case Institute, And also 557 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 1: with me joining me Radar Online, it's investigative reporter Alexis 558 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 1: Terres Chuck. First of all, Alexis well, whose bright idea 559 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 1: was it to start a go fund me? Now? You know, 560 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 1: just last week I was talking about a go fund 561 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 1: me for um, a guy whose son was shot and 562 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 1: the vet in the church shooting, the Summerville, Texas church shooting. 563 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 1: And then, believe it or not, Alexis his house burned down. 564 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 1: He had nothing but the shirt on his back. Um. 565 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 1: Now there somebody started to go fund me to raise 566 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 1: money for Charles Manson. Alexis, tell me about the go 567 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 1: fund me please. So it's this guy who is actually 568 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 1: remaining anonymous right now. But he claims he's been a 569 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 1: pen pile Alexis. He claims he's been a penpile Charles 570 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 1: Manson's for about twenty years now. And he's set up 571 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 1: the go fund the page, and he said, you know, 572 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 1: Charles Manson deserves a be a proper burial. I believe 573 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 1: it was the exact thing. And and he's going to 574 00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: have a headstone and people can either come and grow 575 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 1: eve or deface it, is what he said. So he 576 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 1: wanted to actually raise money, and he did. He raised 577 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,439 Speaker 1: about a thousand dollars. People donated. Oh my goodness, people 578 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: are actually donating money. Okay, this is about the funeral 579 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: expenses notorious cult leader Charles Manson. Now we have information 580 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: that that person is actually a friend of Charles Manson's grandson, 581 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 1: Jason Freeman. That's what we've been told, um, and I 582 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,720 Speaker 1: have reason to believe that that is true. Already raised 583 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,719 Speaker 1: a thousand bucks, according to news Alas in New York 584 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 1: to pay the legal travel and burial fees from Manson's body. 585 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,799 Speaker 1: Now right now, the body is being held at the 586 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 1: current county corners. That's what we know so far. Let 587 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:55,880 Speaker 1: me ask you something to dr Tiffany Sanders. And you know, Cheryl, 588 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 1: I'm I'm really want to hear about evidence because you 589 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 1: know that's all I care about outside the twins. But 590 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 1: Dr Tiffany Sanders, You've got to help me now, Guys, 591 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 1: Dr Tiffany Sanders are psychologists, very well known psychologists as 592 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 1: a matter of fact, out of Chicago. Why would anyone 593 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:17,800 Speaker 1: attach themselves now to Charles Manson to try to stage 594 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 1: some sort of elaborate funeral for him? Explained that thinking 595 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 1: if you can dare to crawl into that nuts head, right, 596 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 1: most of us that are of same I wouldn't even 597 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,239 Speaker 1: want to be connected with a serial killer at who 598 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,920 Speaker 1: had who committed these egregious crimes. But there are a 599 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,880 Speaker 1: group of people who really seek out fames, who seek 600 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 1: out notoriety, who want to be connected with individuals like him, 601 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 1: and so they are fueling their own self interest uh 602 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 1: later leading to some opportunity for fame and recognition and 603 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 1: for us who are saying, we're like, you know what, 604 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 1: get this creep out of here, burying him not even 605 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 1: six ft twelve feet under, or acerate his body. But 606 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 1: there are some individuals who would just rather stay connected 607 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,320 Speaker 1: and keep this man uh life and and his beliefs 608 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 1: and his his actions still live. It's ridiculous, you know, 609 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,880 Speaker 1: it's very interesting about this guy, um, Cheryl McCallum, I 610 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,359 Speaker 1: want you to hear this and get your take on it. 611 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 1: This guy that allegedly has been raising money for an 612 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 1: elaborate funeral for Charles Manson said it is his family 613 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:29,239 Speaker 1: obligation to take Manson's body. He Freeman, guy raising the money, 614 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 1: I think his name is Jason Freeman, says that are 615 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 1: you ready that he will not sit back and let them, 616 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,839 Speaker 1: I don't know who them is, throw Charles Manson away 617 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,440 Speaker 1: like trash. He says, it's gonna be a lot of money, 618 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 1: but there are people that want to contribute. He also says, 619 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:56,400 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCullum that he has next of Ken's status, and 620 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 1: he says, in addition to not letting them throw Manson 621 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 1: away like trash, he says, Manson's whole life he lived 622 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,359 Speaker 1: with the pain of feeling the pain of feeling unclaimed, 623 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,960 Speaker 1: and we mus must not let this happen in death. Together, 624 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:17,359 Speaker 1: we can help Jason bring his grandfather home and prove 625 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 1: to the world Charles Manson was loved and will be 626 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 1: claimed Okay, now, hold on, hold on, now, this is 627 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 1: what I'm getting out of Vibe. You know the website Vibe. 628 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:33,160 Speaker 1: Now there's more to it. Freeman is the son of 629 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 1: Charles Manson Jr. Okay, it was Charles Manson's only known 630 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:42,359 Speaker 1: child with his wife Rosalie, who of course divorced him. 631 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 1: Now it also says the notorious killer later had two 632 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,080 Speaker 1: other sons. I did not know that about Charles Manson. 633 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 1: Now Freeman's father who was behind this fundraising activity. His 634 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,360 Speaker 1: father actually changed his name to try to get away 635 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 1: from his connection to Charles Manson, but then later committed suicide. 636 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:08,200 Speaker 1: So Charles Manson's son and namesake committed suicide, and now 637 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:13,920 Speaker 1: his grandson reportedly is behind raising money for some staging 638 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,480 Speaker 1: some sort of a memorial or funeral for Charles Manson. 639 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,759 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, what about that? First and foremost, anytime I 640 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,879 Speaker 1: hear Charles Manson and family in the same thing, if 641 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 1: I get a little creep out. Second of all, my 642 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:31,160 Speaker 1: concern is going to be the folks that craved this murderabilia. 643 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,400 Speaker 1: What are they actually gonna do? I mean, Nancy, there 644 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,160 Speaker 1: are people that will buy brands of hair. There were 645 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 1: people that will buy anything connected to this man. And 646 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,560 Speaker 1: I'm just confirmed that now that we don't have Son 647 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,799 Speaker 1: of Sam laws anymore, that they may be actually trying 648 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,200 Speaker 1: to turn a profit. Now, how could they do that? 649 00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,840 Speaker 1: Could they do that by if they claimed his body? 650 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:56,359 Speaker 1: And I am hypothesizing here. They haven't said this, but 651 00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,080 Speaker 1: if they claimed his body, they could get locks of 652 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:05,480 Speaker 1: his hair, they could get everything belonging to him. And 653 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,759 Speaker 1: I've worked for a long time with a friend of 654 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,560 Speaker 1: mine named Andy Khan. Do you remember him, Cheryl mcconomy 655 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,800 Speaker 1: And yeah, and he is out of the Houston Mayor 656 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:21,600 Speaker 1: Victims Rights Office, and he actually inspired me. Andy Kahn 657 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,440 Speaker 1: did to write chapters in my first book, Objection about 658 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:30,040 Speaker 1: murder Rebellia. I titled it blood Money where people actually 659 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:35,520 Speaker 1: get a killer's Okay, I almost had to say this, 660 00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,480 Speaker 1: but it's the truth. Toe clippings where they cut their toe, nails, 661 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 1: their hair and whatever can be connected to them, a 662 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:47,080 Speaker 1: stamp that they licked, anything, and they think how thick 663 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,279 Speaker 1: this could get. For example, if they give him and 664 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:55,920 Speaker 1: he's an open casket, take ticket, take it self with Charlie. Okay, Cheryl, 665 00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,239 Speaker 1: thank you for that thought. Okay, I'm gonna have that 666 00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,960 Speaker 1: in my hand. Actually, I'm gonna try to picture your 667 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:07,240 Speaker 1: face and not mine. Leaned over Manson's casket getting a selfie. Okay, 668 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:12,400 Speaker 1: but you know the reality is doctor's Tiffany Sanders as bizarre. 669 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,880 Speaker 1: Is that sounds It's actually possible. You know the idea 670 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:20,320 Speaker 1: of people taking pictures with the body, hair, tonail clipping, 671 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,040 Speaker 1: you know, the need for any of this memorabilia to 672 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,759 Speaker 1: sit on their mantle in their home. Uh, it's just 673 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:32,560 Speaker 1: in the it's the doctor. Stop at a picture. Absolutely 674 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:36,160 Speaker 1: discuss with a selfie with Charles Manson and his casket. Oh, 675 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,960 Speaker 1: stop it, stop it, stop it. Bragging rights for Nancy, 676 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:40,799 Speaker 1: that is just bragging rights. These are what people want 677 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,440 Speaker 1: to Look what I have? Look what you? Look what 678 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,319 Speaker 1: I have? Come over my house again? Attention seeking the 679 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,120 Speaker 1: idea that this can generate attention to the thing for them, 680 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,399 Speaker 1: that's what they're seeking after Alexis torrestuck right online dot Com. 681 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:56,120 Speaker 1: Alexis murderabilia has happened so many times in the past. 682 00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,279 Speaker 1: Now this is a good thing. Now to correct me 683 00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:02,000 Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, Alexis go funny stopped pull the plug 684 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,000 Speaker 1: on the fundraising side set up to help Manson and 685 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:09,000 Speaker 1: help his grandson travel and burial expenses or whoever was 686 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:13,720 Speaker 1: behind it after the thousand dollars. But now they've turned 687 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:19,680 Speaker 1: to fundraising on PayPal. Oh, Alexis helped me. You're right, 688 00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:21,560 Speaker 1: they did go fund me shut it down. They actually 689 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,680 Speaker 1: have a pretty good gravitation for cutting out the gross 690 00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,640 Speaker 1: stuff go fund me does, but they persisted. And the 691 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,760 Speaker 1: guy is now trying to raise money on PayPal asking 692 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,320 Speaker 1: for this, but only has ten days. He's really running 693 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,640 Speaker 1: up against a time limit here. He's got about I 694 00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:39,000 Speaker 1: think Google want two days left. So if he doesn't 695 00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:43,040 Speaker 1: get this money hopefully well, the process is the prison 696 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,000 Speaker 1: will cremate Manson's body, so there will not be any 697 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:50,680 Speaker 1: chances for selfies with Charles Manson. So I mean unless 698 00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:54,319 Speaker 1: it's claimed. Unless it is claimed. Now catch this what 699 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,319 Speaker 1: does this mean, Alexis, and tell me this is true 700 00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:00,080 Speaker 1: or not. I understand that the grandson, Jason free and 701 00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,440 Speaker 1: never got the chance to meet Manson before he died 702 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,719 Speaker 1: after decades behind bars, but he said he tried to 703 00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:11,319 Speaker 1: visit Manson in prison when his when Manson was having 704 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,520 Speaker 1: some type of guest show intestinal problems back in January, 705 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,879 Speaker 1: but Manson refused to meet his own grandson. What what's 706 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,000 Speaker 1: that all about? Is that true, Alexis You're exactly right. 707 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,239 Speaker 1: The grandson was never able to meet Manson, and he 708 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,080 Speaker 1: did try. This year was the first, one of the 709 00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,520 Speaker 1: first times Manson ever left the prison. He was rushed 710 00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,600 Speaker 1: to the hospital in January and January six and had 711 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,200 Speaker 1: some guest strow intestinal issues. We actually thought this was 712 00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,239 Speaker 1: the end. Ever, everybody thought this was the end of 713 00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,160 Speaker 1: Manson was not going to make it. He lasted, you know, 714 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,879 Speaker 1: another miserable eleven months, and so the grandson has never 715 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:46,520 Speaker 1: met him. He tried, Manson refused, and he still still 716 00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:51,080 Speaker 1: wants to get his grandfather's body and keeps talking about 717 00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,200 Speaker 1: how he wants to do things the right way for 718 00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,239 Speaker 1: this man who was the mastermind behind one of the 719 00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,479 Speaker 1: worst slaughters in American history. Just such a dark, evil crime. 720 00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,640 Speaker 1: Sheryl mc callum, their grandson says, quote, if we can't 721 00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,680 Speaker 1: raise money with go frond me, we'll find another way. 722 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,200 Speaker 1: It will definitely be a group effort. It's not just 723 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:12,320 Speaker 1: one person. It's a lot of people holding hands. Okay, 724 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,240 Speaker 1: you know what. While they're holding hands and singing kumbay 725 00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:20,160 Speaker 1: yah and trying to stage elaborate funeral for Charles Manson. 726 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,719 Speaker 1: Can you refresh our recollection, Cheryl McCullum, and tell me 727 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:27,600 Speaker 1: what happened tonight That Sharon take was slaughter? Oh lord, Nancy, 728 00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,520 Speaker 1: those crimecing photographs of anybody has had a chance to 729 00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:34,200 Speaker 1: see them. You have this young, beautiful woman who is 730 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:38,759 Speaker 1: eight months pregnant, and you know these killers go into 731 00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:44,640 Speaker 1: her house and literally slaughter her um. And so let 732 00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,200 Speaker 1: me just go back a second, because I think this 733 00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:50,040 Speaker 1: was what it's really bothering me about this whole go 734 00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,760 Speaker 1: fund me and proper burial and things they're claiming. Again, 735 00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:59,680 Speaker 1: there's a reason they don't won't him cremated, They won't 736 00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,879 Speaker 1: that body. And I'm telling you it's for profit, it's 737 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:07,200 Speaker 1: for gain. It has nothing to do with their belief system. 738 00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:11,400 Speaker 1: It is, i'm telling you, monetary. And you know, my 739 00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,680 Speaker 1: gut feeling tells me somebody's gonna come forward like a 740 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,000 Speaker 1: Maryland Mainson, and they're gonna come up with the money 741 00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,560 Speaker 1: and they're gonna do something horrific like put that casket 742 00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,279 Speaker 1: and him in their movie videos. I'm just telling you 743 00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,640 Speaker 1: it's gonna be something sinister. Just like his life, his 744 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,480 Speaker 1: death is gonna be no different. It's gonna be appalling, 745 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,920 Speaker 1: and it's gonna be pathetic, and it's gonna be deliberate, 746 00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:39,120 Speaker 1: and once again the victims are lost here. I mean, 747 00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,560 Speaker 1: nobody talks about Sharon Take anymore. Everybody now that's talking 748 00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:46,279 Speaker 1: about him. And you know, to me, as much as 749 00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,960 Speaker 1: we can shut all of it down, you know what, 750 00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,719 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about what you're saying, Cheryl, And I'm thinking 751 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:55,200 Speaker 1: about if you want your grandparents or if you don't 752 00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:59,240 Speaker 1: want Charles Manson's remains, why don't you want them cremate? 753 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,239 Speaker 1: If why don't you want them in and earn? Why 754 00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,880 Speaker 1: can't you claim them after a cremation Unless what you 755 00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:09,640 Speaker 1: just said is true. I mean, I don't know this, 756 00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:15,879 Speaker 1: but I'm wondering what he wants to do with the body, Cheryl. Well, 757 00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,200 Speaker 1: there's no question, I mean to me, means it's gonna 758 00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,480 Speaker 1: become one of those sectives if they bury this man 759 00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,239 Speaker 1: and they put a huge team soone somewhere, it's going 760 00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:29,200 Speaker 1: to be where those types of followers, people that um 761 00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,160 Speaker 1: the hells are skills groups that are still you know, 762 00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,560 Speaker 1: activate and things like that. They're going there and they'll 763 00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:37,719 Speaker 1: play the piece of Dad's gone, and they'll gather on 764 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,080 Speaker 1: his birthday, and they'll gather on the day that he died, 765 00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:42,680 Speaker 1: and it's gonna be one of those cult followings that 766 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,720 Speaker 1: we can't stop. What needs to happen, in my opinion 767 00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:50,000 Speaker 1: is he should be cremated, and you know, the family 768 00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,560 Speaker 1: can do whatever they want with the ashes, but you 769 00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:57,440 Speaker 1: know we should be scattered wearing yon where nobody has 770 00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,840 Speaker 1: to place where they can go to and and and 771 00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:05,080 Speaker 1: give him any more publicity than he deserves. Well, Cheryl, 772 00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,800 Speaker 1: what I'm thinking about is the slaughter, the horrible slaughter 773 00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:13,160 Speaker 1: of those innocent people and the baby that was just 774 00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:17,840 Speaker 1: days away from being born, and them writing on the 775 00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:23,160 Speaker 1: walls with the victims blood. 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