1 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:11,399 Speaker 1: It's that time time, time, time, luck and load. So 2 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: Michael Arry Show is on the air. How long night 3 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: to dump the night speed? 4 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 2: Take a few moments agat coordinates from the navigating the right. 5 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 3: They're dating travel through hyperspace and like dust and crops, boy, 6 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 3: a precise calculation waits fly. I threw a star, I 7 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 3: closed with super and open that an injured real quack would. 8 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 4: But I forgot how much I hate space trappings. 9 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 1: And it's gonna be a long long time to dun 10 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: brad round. 11 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 2: Une rocking man. 12 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: Elon Musk is not a scientist. 13 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:00,279 Speaker 2: He is not an en she year. 14 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: He is a billionaire con man with a lot of money. 15 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: He does not have this kind of good background. 16 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 5: And in fact, while. 17 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 2: There's some disruption over that, I sincerely ask you all, 18 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 2: I sincerely ask you all to examine what expertise he has. 19 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 1: Racket You're Jimmy right, this is your house? 20 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 2: Sure is? I'm which the wolf probs good? 21 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: We got one, so I heard I commend. Yet at 22 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: lease do we can. 23 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 5: See that recovery vessel slowly but surely closing the distance 24 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 5: there between dolphin can back again. We can we can 25 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 5: see that the dragon capsule and that is where our 26 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 5: crew nine team members will egress from the Dragon spacecraft. 27 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 5: Now Here on your screen we can see dolphins. Actually, 28 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 5: who wants to come and play with? Uh? 29 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: With Dragon? 30 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 4: Elon Musk saved the US space program. If it wasn't 31 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 4: for Elon Musk, we would not be able to fly 32 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 4: US astronauts from US soil to the International Space Station. 33 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,239 Speaker 2: Make no, that is no doubt about it. 34 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 4: We stopped flying astronauts on Space Shuttle in twenty eleven. 35 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 5: Long time. 36 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: You can put this next segment into the burgeoning file 37 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: you have in your mind of do it today because 38 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: tomorrow is not promised. Live your life with purpose and intention, 39 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 1: not just being bounced around like a pinball, because it 40 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: will be over before you know it. Hug them tight 41 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: while you got him. I received an email from a 42 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: fellow that said, years ago, your show assisted us in 43 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: the death of our Marine son, Corporal Joseph Joey Logan. 44 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: I recently released a book, Fishing with Joey, which details 45 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: our three month cross country fishing trip before Joey was 46 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: deployed to Afghanistan. During the trip, we covered sixteen thousand 47 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: miles together. It was every father's dream and little did 48 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: I know that it would be our last. Would your 49 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: show be interested in featuring a brief interview regarding the 50 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: book and my experiences in becoming a gold Star family member. 51 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: Thank you for considering this, and of course for your 52 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: previous assistance with our family situation. Sincerely, Tom Logan, Willis, Texas. 53 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: Welcome to the program. 54 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 2: Tom, Thank you very much. It's been an honor. And 55 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 2: you wouldn't believe emotions right now, It's amazing. Yep. 56 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 1: I would believe them. I just can't understand them, and 57 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: that is because I haven't felt what you felt. I 58 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 1: can only imagine, and I suspect that what I imagine 59 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: is one percent or less is an exponential explosion of 60 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 1: grief that you have to have losing your son. We're 61 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 1: not supposed to bury our children. It's just not supposed 62 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: to happen. 63 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:49,160 Speaker 2: No, it isn't, but it happens, you know war. 64 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: The book is called Fishing with Joey, and let's take 65 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: it in a timeline slowly used by piece. Let's talk 66 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: about your son Joey. Tell me about him as a kid, 67 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:03,239 Speaker 1: when he was a little fellow. 68 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 2: Joey was always that a personality he had, he had 69 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 2: an opinion about everything, just like his dad, and we 70 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 2: had to follow him back several times. He can imagine 71 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 2: he was a protector even when he was younger. If 72 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 2: he saw something not right or wrong, or somebody getting 73 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 2: picked on, he would stepped in and he got in 74 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 2: trouble for a few fights. But he was he was 75 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 2: the He was the person that people respected and they 76 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 2: didn't mess with, and that followed on through his whole life. 77 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 2: You know, even in high school. I remember one time 78 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 2: that the new kid came into school and the regular 79 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 2: thugs were picking on him, and Joyce's comarre sit with 80 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 2: me at lunch and they're not going to bother you again, 81 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 2: and they left him alone. So he hadn't He had 82 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 2: a presence all the time, which is great. 83 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: And how did you come to find out that he 84 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: was going to join the Marines? Was this a surprise? 85 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: Is something he had talked about? 86 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 2: No, it wasn't really surprised because just a brief story 87 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 2: of our family history, there were so many members in 88 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 2: our family that served in the military, probably on both 89 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 2: sides of the family. I mean, even going back to 90 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:16,719 Speaker 2: the Civil War. My grandfather on the Italian side immigrated 91 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 2: from Italy prior to World War One. He wanted to 92 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 2: be a citizen so bad that he enlisted in the 93 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 2: army and went back to France and fought into battles 94 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 2: and the trenches. And then after that, dads, my dads 95 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 2: and uncles and his brothers and their brothers and everybody 96 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 2: else served in World War Two, had uncles and relatives 97 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 2: in Korea. Debby and I are Vietnam era veterans, and 98 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 2: we had three children involved in the Gulf Wars when 99 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 2: Joey passed away. Was Joey, Tommy my oldest son, who 100 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 2: was in the Navy, and Andy, my youngest daughter, was 101 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 2: in the Marine Corps. And plus my son in law 102 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 2: was in the Army. And then my daughter Andy's husband 103 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 2: was also in the Marine Corps. So we've been, we've been, 104 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 2: we've been up there on the front lines quite a bit. 105 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 2: And all of those entered the Marine Corps before Joey did. 106 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 2: They were all about the same time. Tommy and Joey 107 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 2: were in a race to join the Marine Colign Army. Yeah, 108 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 2: it was, it was. The wars were going on, it was, 109 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 2: it was active. Everything was going on in her acting Aghanstan. 110 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: And what was going on. Sorry, I'm sorry. 111 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 2: They knew what was going on, They knew the war 112 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 2: was there, you know, what was. 113 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: Going on in his life personally when he makes the 114 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: decision to join the Marines. Is he working, is he 115 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: home from school? Is he figuring it out? 116 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 2: He had just graduated high school. And I guess you 117 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 2: don't realize that your children listen to you and emulate 118 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 2: you their whole life, but you don't think they're paying attention. 119 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 2: But he saw what my wife and I did. We 120 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 2: you know, we we enlisted during the Vietnam War and 121 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:00,080 Speaker 2: both of us served in the Houston Police Department of 122 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 2: twenty one years debut twenty eight years, debuted twenty one years. 123 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 2: So he was, he was, he was looking at something 124 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 2: to serve. He wanted to help, and and all of 125 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 2: a sudden he starts going to the recruiters that he 126 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 2: he depends. He decided, I'm gonna go on the Rine Corps. 127 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 2: All right. 128 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: Tom Logan is our guest. The book is called Fishing 129 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: with Joey. 130 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 2: Where I can't believe he just said that happens to 131 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 2: Michael Barry, show. 132 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 3: What a candle in the window got a bet? Then 133 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 3: long as I can see the land. 134 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: Tom Logan is our guest. His son, Marine Corporal Joey Logan, 135 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: was deployed to Afghanistan, where he died in a helicopter crash. 136 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: Prior to that, for three months, Tom Logan traveled across 137 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:25,079 Speaker 1: the country, spending father sontime. He wrote a book about 138 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: what that time meant to him, called Fishing with Joey 139 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:32,199 Speaker 1: And he is our guest. Tom ray Hunt tells me 140 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:36,199 Speaker 1: that many years ago y'all rode together. Y'all were partners 141 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: at HPD. 142 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, night shift on a west side. We had some 143 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 2: rowdy timestand man, wow. 144 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 1: Said, I said, tell me some interesting things about him, 145 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 1: and he said, he's just a calm transplant from some 146 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: Yankee state. I can't recall which one. I think we 147 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: wrote T two OG eighties beat. 148 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 2: Is that right? 149 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: Twenty G eighties? How do you say that? 150 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:00,439 Speaker 2: Yep? Yeah, yeah, go to Twin Jay up in the 151 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 2: north end of this city up there where West Timer area, 152 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 2: all the way out to the city limits back then. Yeah, 153 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 2: how about that? 154 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 4: Oh oh. 155 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: No, no, no, that's a different He's told me about 156 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: different areas that he worked over the years. So you 157 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: go on this trip with your son three months, you know, 158 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: nobody thinks to do that. What most people would have 159 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 1: said is when you get back, you'll have some great 160 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 1: stories to tell me. So when you get back, let's 161 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: let's take some time. How did you have three months? 162 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: Had you retired by that time? 163 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 2: Yeah? I had just retired in two thousand and eight. 164 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 2: I went into work one day and it looked around 165 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,079 Speaker 2: he had twenty eight years with HPD, and I'm like, 166 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,719 Speaker 2: I'm done. You know, you get to the point, you know, 167 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 2: when you've had enough. And you know, at that many years, 168 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 2: we were settled. Debbie and I had a house up 169 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:47,599 Speaker 2: here and Willis and she had retired already, and the 170 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:49,559 Speaker 2: kids are getting older. I mean, you know, Joe was 171 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 2: eighteen nineteen then, and I says, we lost a lot 172 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 2: of time with our kids because we worked so much. 173 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 2: So you know, you can't make it up what you 174 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 2: could do with them, but you can. And that's what 175 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 2: happened with the decision trip with Joe. He was the 176 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:03,719 Speaker 2: only one out of five kids that really loved the 177 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 2: outdoors like I did, and we decided after he graduated 178 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 2: from high school, I was going to go fishing for 179 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 2: the first year. I told my wife. She said, well, 180 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 2: you're a fisher. HOLLI just go, but you're taking him 181 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 2: with you. I'm like, yeah, I know. But he had 182 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 2: hear himself pretty bad falling out a piece of glass 183 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 2: way prior to that, and he had severed his artery, tendons, 184 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 2: nerves and everything in his hand. And he called me, 185 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 2: you know, he said, Dad, Dad, my wrist is cutting 186 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:35,319 Speaker 2: blood is square. I got my wrist, I said, Joe, 187 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 2: get your friends to put a turnquet down there and 188 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 2: rush you to the emergency room. So that was the 189 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:44,679 Speaker 2: beginning of his rehab and his journey. Also because he 190 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 2: was already pre enlisted in the Marine Corps and he figured, 191 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 2: I'm done. I'm going to be a cripple my whole life. 192 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 2: Because the wound was severe or terrible, and the surgeon 193 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 2: that put his hand back together, how can there be 194 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 2: a micro surgeon on call at four o'clock in the morning, 195 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 2: And so this poor kids handback to the other nurse, arteries, tendons, 196 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 2: liquaments and everything. And there was actually no record in 197 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,959 Speaker 2: the books of who the surgeon was. So I look 198 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 2: at it. I look at it as an angel putting 199 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 2: that kid's hand back together and given a chance in life. 200 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 2: It was amazing. 201 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:21,439 Speaker 1: I would love to find out who that hand surgeon was. 202 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: When would this have been and where this was? 203 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:29,839 Speaker 2: Graduated high school two thousand and eight, so it'd be 204 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 2: two thousand and eight, and it would be about six 205 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 2: months prior to us going fishing. We started fishing in 206 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 2: the May June, so that would be the timeline hollow. 207 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: So that's made June of nine. Has he graduated all 208 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: because he's graduated at that point. 209 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 2: He graduated on eight, so he got to back up, 210 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 2: back up about six months, seven months prior to that, 211 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 2: so it would be the beginning of beginning of eight. 212 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: And where was the surgeon? Where was the surgeon performed? 213 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:03,839 Speaker 2: From my knowledge, they took them Ben Tob and from 214 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 2: there we're we're in panicmode. I didn't couldn't even tell you. 215 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 2: I got the medical records. 216 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 1: So okay, well there's your answer. You know, doctors have 217 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: told me when you have a severe trauma like that, 218 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:18,079 Speaker 1: Ben Tob is because they're doing that all night long. 219 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:19,719 Speaker 1: I mean, if you've I've been down there in the 220 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: middle of the night's gunshots, knife things, it's it's it's rough. 221 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, I worked at ben Top night shift route there. 222 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 1: You know better than I do. Those guys are adrenaline junkies. 223 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: And those guys, those triage guys are amazing. I mean 224 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:35,079 Speaker 1: to think, what a toll that takes on you. But 225 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: you know that's there. That's kind of their super bowl. 226 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: They're they're good at it. They may give us a 227 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: professional reward. All right, So y'all start the fishing trip. 228 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:44,959 Speaker 1: Tell me about that. 229 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 2: Well, prior to that, he had to go through rehab 230 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 2: because his hand was so messed up. So he had 231 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 2: to go through fiscal therapy and he had just a 232 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:55,439 Speaker 2: wonderful nurse and I think he sort of fell in 233 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 2: love with her too, but it's a whole nother story. 234 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,839 Speaker 2: And it got to the point that his hand was working, 235 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,719 Speaker 2: but it wasn't working properly. So I decided I was 236 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 2: going to go fishing anyway, and Debbie and I decided 237 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 2: he's going to go. So I told him, get your 238 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 2: fishing rod, get your fly rod, get out in the backyard. 239 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 2: Let me see you cast it. And you know, he 240 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 2: was whinding about it. I'm like, I don't think I can't. 241 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 2: I'm like, do it. You know, I don't play with 242 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 2: my kids. They get their hardcore. And he started doing it. 243 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 2: He started doing it, and I said, okay, we're going 244 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 2: load the truck with everything we got and fishing camping gear, 245 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 2: Coleman stoves, you know, all the fly rods and spinning 246 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 2: rods and everything you could imagine to go on a 247 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 2: fishing trip. But he had no idea that we're going 248 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 2: to stay gone from June till we got back mid October. 249 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 2: It was almost four months by the time we got back. 250 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 2: And the first thing he says, where were we going 251 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 2: to go? Arkansas? I'm like, we're going to start there. 252 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 2: So we used to fight fish the White River in 253 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 2: Arkansas for trout and it was, you know, an amazing 254 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 2: place to fish because anybody can catch a fish there. 255 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 2: And that's how we started. And I had the whole 256 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 2: route planned out a year ahead of time for myself 257 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 2: with the trout magazines of fishing magazine, so I to 258 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 2: all the you know it itinerary to go, and I 259 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 2: highlighted every place we're going to go. And then while 260 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 2: we were on our way, below the truck and left, 261 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 2: the deavy waved goodbye to see you guys later. I 262 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 2: don't think she knew how long we're gonna stay gone. 263 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: So tell me about that trip. 264 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 2: Well, it's like I said, it started in Arkansas, and 265 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 2: we fished nine states, most of them west of the Mississippi. 266 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 2: There was Arkansas, naturally, Missouri, Oregon, Washington, Montana, Idaho, Colorado, 267 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 2: n I'm not done yet, Arizona, Wyoming, British Columbia, and Saskatchewan. 268 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 2: And we drove, I drove most of the time, sixteen 269 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 2: thousand miles. Are you familiar with the Lewis and Clark 270 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 2: expedition of course, yeah, Well they only traveled eight thousand 271 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 2: miles and we doubled there. Yeah, we doubled their expedition. 272 00:15:57,560 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: They weren't doing it at eighty miles an hour. 273 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 4: I know. 274 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: Hold on just a second. The book is called Fishing 275 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: with Joey. We're talking to a GoldStar Dad, Tom Logan. 276 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: We're coming on the most dangerous places between Sheila Jackson 277 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: Lee and the camps and the Triple Crown. Weave is, 278 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: you know, tilted to the side, the leaning tower of Weaver. 279 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: They retired HPD officer right now. We spent three months 280 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: with his son, Joey Logan, before Joey would go off 281 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: to serve in Afghanistan, where he was deployed as a 282 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: marine that trip would be the last. He wrote a 283 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: book about it after his son, Joey Logan died in Afghanistan, 284 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: and the book is called Fishing with Joey. You can 285 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: find it wherever you buy your books online, bookstores. 286 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 2: You name it. 287 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: So, Tom Logan, tell me about the day and we'll 288 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: come back to the trip itself. Tell me about the 289 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 1: day that you get the awful news about your son. 290 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's riveting, that's all. Like to say. 291 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 2: We were at home the ten thirty at night. But 292 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 2: prior to that, in the morning, Joe had called us 293 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 2: from Afghanistan. They says, Hey, I'm coming home in twenty 294 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 2: eight days. I'm going to take your truck and do 295 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 2: all kinds of stuff. And the main thing he had, 296 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 2: he said, he was focused on, I'm going to go 297 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,880 Speaker 2: visit every living relative I have, from grandparents to babies. 298 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 2: And I'm like, Joe, that's impossible. You can't do it 299 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 2: in thirty days. Ye, I'm going to do it. And 300 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 2: the ironic thing that happened is every living family member 301 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 2: that we had attend at his funeral. How does that happen? 302 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:51,360 Speaker 2: I mean, it's impossible, but they came, came he came 303 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 2: home and they came home to send him to heaven, 304 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,679 Speaker 2: you know, and you know, you just talked to him 305 00:17:57,720 --> 00:17:59,880 Speaker 2: that that morning. Hey, I'm coming home. I can't wait. 306 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 2: We're going to go fishing again. We got all kinds 307 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 2: of stuff to do. I hope. I was planning on 308 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 2: as I got older, him taking me somewhere, you know, 309 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 2: And that was our plan and never never became truition. 310 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 2: So we get to knock on the door ten thirty 311 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 2: at night, and Debbie's looking out the windows says, there's 312 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 2: two marines out there and one looks like Joey. I said, 313 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 2: deb there's no way that can be joe We just 314 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,640 Speaker 2: talked to him in Afghanistan. And then the reality set 315 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 2: in and we opened the door and they, you know, 316 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 2: they presented themselves and they presented a paperwork and said 317 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:34,679 Speaker 2: Joey had been killed in the helicopter crash, and everything 318 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 2: went spiraling downhill from there. You're in disbelief. You have 319 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 2: no clue what your mind goes through and where your 320 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 2: senses go. It was just it was devastating. 321 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: You know. 322 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 2: At that time, we had three kids deployed. Tommy was 323 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 2: in the Persian golf Andy was the marine course. She 324 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 2: was flying drunk somewhere, and Joey was in combat, flying 325 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 2: out and finding helicopters. So at first we didn't know 326 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 2: what happened to any of them, and then they told 327 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 2: us about joe. 328 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 1: What happened. 329 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 2: As far as the helicopter crash. You're saying, well, there 330 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 2: was always controversy about that kind of stuff. And they 331 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 2: were flying a resupply mission to a fob out in 332 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 2: the on the desert out there, and the unit that 333 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,120 Speaker 2: was out there was running around supplies. They had didn't 334 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 2: have hard any food of the water, and they could 335 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 2: not come back in by road because the IED's and 336 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 2: the Taliban were really intense out there. So Joey and 337 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 2: his crew, it was the second second resupply that night, 338 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 2: flew out the second time to drop off supplies to them, 339 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 2: and it was just a random, random resupply. They'd done 340 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 2: it hundreds of times. And there were two helicopters went out. 341 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 2: They'd go on pairs, and I talked to the other 342 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 2: crew of the other helicopter and all they said they 343 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 2: saw a flash and then the helicopter started coming out 344 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 2: of sky, hit the ground, exploded and caught on fire 345 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 2: and that's that's that's the crash. And we don't know 346 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 2: if it was mechanical or enemy fire. But Joey always 347 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 2: talked about the golden bullet. He says, all you need 348 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 2: is the right bullet in the right place, then you've 349 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 2: got problems mechanically. And he said that as soon as 350 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 2: we left base there at camp out at Camp Bastion, 351 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 2: we're catching ground fire from the time we flew out 352 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 2: to the time and came back. So everything could have happened. 353 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 2: And the Marine, i mean, the Department of Navy sent 354 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 2: us a redacted report of everything, and I have not 355 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 2: read the whole thing yet because it's too it's too 356 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 2: intense because you could imagine what happens when you fall 357 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 2: from four thousand feet and hit the ground and explode, 358 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:39,880 Speaker 2: catching on fire, you know, So that memory is forever 359 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 2: in my mind. It's not going to go away, you know. 360 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 2: And six couldn't ring died that night, you know, And 361 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 2: there was it was not just joe It's it was 362 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 2: you know, the pilot, which is Daniel Bartle and Nathan 363 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 2: McCone was comed pilot. Both Captain's uh Master Sergeant Travis Riddick, 364 00:20:57,920 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 2: he was Master Sergeant had twenty years he could reach 365 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:03,199 Speaker 2: our already went back to Afghanistan. Jesse Sipes was a corporal, 366 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 2: Kevin Reinhardt was a corporal, and Joey was a corporal 367 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,679 Speaker 2: and they love what they're doing. Joey called me one 368 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 2: time from Afghanistan. I guess what, I got the greatest 369 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 2: job in the world. I'm tell me what, Come on, 370 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,919 Speaker 2: And he says, I get to fly around helicopters all 371 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 2: day and all night, shoot big guns and get paid 372 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 2: for it. I'm like, joe just get home, just quick 373 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 2: enough is enough? You've fought enough wars out there. In 374 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 2: that last deployment, he was the most flown observer aerial observer, 375 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 2: which means he was on a fifty cal machine gun 376 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 2: with two other corporals giving ground support to the troops 377 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 2: on the ground. And he was alerted two arrowing medals 378 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:43,640 Speaker 2: with strike flight, which means he flew in that deployment 379 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 2: seven months over forty two combat missions. So he was 380 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 2: running a gun and that many times, and god knows 381 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 2: how many other missions. He flew resupplies and they had 382 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 2: special ops. I've talked to some Marines and Marsac guys. Yeah, 383 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 2: those guys were flying us all over the place. So 384 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 2: those men, those Marines were really intense, dedicated individuals like 385 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 2: Tom Superman. They are heroes. So that's that's what it 386 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 2: was all about. They stepped forward. There was the less 387 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 2: than one percent of this country and they said, I'm 388 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 2: going to do this for our country, our flag, our nation, 389 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 2: people of population here, and I must more people would 390 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 2: understand that, you know, and show these guys some respect 391 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 2: and honor they deserve. 392 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And that. 393 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,159 Speaker 2: That's what I that's I think, that's what the main 394 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 2: reason for writing this book was because there was a 395 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 2: divine intervention with me because I'm not that bright. I 396 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 2: might sound like I got a brain, but half the 397 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 2: time it's you know, a turn off. But I started 398 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 2: journaling from the first day, writing notes and journaling and 399 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,439 Speaker 2: remembering stuff, and you know, his military experien er answers, 400 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 2: the fishing trip and everything else to some of the 401 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 2: wonderful people. Over the last thirteen years, they have come 402 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 2: into our lives and they still are helping, which is 403 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,640 Speaker 2: amazing that there's so many great patriots, are so many 404 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 2: great individuals in this country that really care, and that 405 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 2: that really makes me feel good. Every day I wake 406 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:21,120 Speaker 2: up I'm like, what's the next email, Who's the next 407 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 2: phone call? I call them miracles. 408 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: Hold on just a moment, Hold on, just a moment. 409 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: Tom Logan is our guest. The book is called Fishing 410 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: with Joey. This is not a war story. This is 411 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 1: a story about grief and dealing with it and making 412 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: the most memories and will take it to that level 413 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,640 Speaker 1: coming up together. 414 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, the girls all get pretty closing time. 415 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: When you're listening to the Michael Berry Show. I'm going 416 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 1: to be like you then you know, I'm going to 417 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 1: be like you make memories, folks, and you still can. 418 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:02,679 Speaker 1: You just don't know. We're not prom much tomorrow. HPD 419 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 1: officer Tom Logan had retired after twenty eight years on 420 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:11,360 Speaker 1: the department. His wife twenty one retired to Willis, Texas. 421 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: His son, Joseph Joey Logan had just graduated in Willis, 422 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: Texas and signed up for the Marines. He's headed off. 423 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 1: His dad and he go on a three month cross 424 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:31,439 Speaker 1: country fishing trip across multiple states and countries, and they 425 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 1: made memories. His son would pass in a helicopter crash 426 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 1: in Afghanistan, and he began journaling about those what he 427 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: called divine coincidences to deal with his grief, and out 428 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 1: of that came the book Fishing with Joey. You can 429 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,400 Speaker 1: find it on Amazon or at any bookstore or wherever 430 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: else you buy your books. 431 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 2: Is there a website for this book, Tom, Yeah, it's 432 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 2: it's on Amazon. Uh. Just you click on it and 433 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:04,919 Speaker 2: you just put in Fishing for Joey and it comes up, 434 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 2: you know, for sale there on Amazon. I like to 435 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 2: say something about Amazon too. The book is in the 436 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 2: pretty much religious spiritual Christian book in death and death 437 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 2: and grief category and right now is sitting at number 438 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 2: one as far as Amazon, and it's rated at five stars. 439 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,879 Speaker 2: So I was, that's good, right, That is amazing. And 440 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 2: nothing get the five star in this world, buddy, it's 441 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,360 Speaker 2: always four and three eights or whatever else or a two. 442 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: You are, you're a five star gold star bad. I 443 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: think it's fantastic that out of this grief you manage 444 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: to channel that into something that can help other people. 445 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 1: And and and that's a very selfless act. Hard I 446 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: think for some people to realize that. But I know 447 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 1: you know that as as a law enforcement officer from 448 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 1: a family of service, I read that you're that you 449 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: created a Montana Mountain retreat out of this. Tell me 450 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: about that. 451 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 2: Oh that was That's that's another miracle. I mean, Joey 452 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 2: and I fished so many places, and after we came 453 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,640 Speaker 2: out of British Columbia, we dropped down into Montana and Libby, Montana, 454 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 2: and that's when I think he fell in love with 455 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 2: Montana and he just talked about it, talked about a 456 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 2: matter of fact, Daniel Barrow, the pilot, was from Montana, 457 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,360 Speaker 2: so I think they both had conversations about Montana while 458 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 2: they're flying and hanging out together. So Joey's last phone 459 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 2: call home that morning I was telling you about earlier, 460 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 2: was all about buying property in Montana, building cabins for 461 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 2: Marine Corps buds that come back and just decompress and 462 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 2: relax and enjoy the enjoy the wilderness. And then you know, 463 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 2: that night we got the call and Debbie, my wife, 464 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 2: said we need to do this for Joey. That's his legacy. 465 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 2: I'm like, Dad, it's really hard for me to go 466 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,159 Speaker 2: back and retrace all those places and all the memories 467 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 2: were well up, and she said, we're doing it. So 468 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,479 Speaker 2: we ended up getting into we went in a Toyota 469 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,880 Speaker 2: Corolla and drove all the way back to Montana, talked 470 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,439 Speaker 2: to a couple of real estate agents, and we finally 471 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 2: found this beautiful piece of Montana wilderness, one hundred and 472 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 2: sixty five acres four miles up Mountain Road in the 473 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 2: middle of Lolo National Forest and Lolo National Forests running. 474 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 2: Our property is three thousand, one hundred and fifty square 475 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:29,640 Speaker 2: miles of Montana Idaho wilderness. So it's it's it's unbelievable 476 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 2: that that happened. There's no there's no possible way unless 477 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 2: the hand of God just died is right to the place. 478 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 2: And from there we started building six cabins and in 479 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 2: honor of each of our fallen marines, and we've got 480 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 2: five out of six up and running. We've got one 481 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 2: more to put up, and our goal is to get 482 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,679 Speaker 2: our combat veterans and disabled veterans up there and let 483 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 2: them enjoy what Joey and I enjoyed and what we 484 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 2: love and beautifuls off the grid. A lot of times 485 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 2: there's no cell phone or internet reception, so you got 486 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 2: to enjoy your surroundings. You can't be on the phone 487 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 2: or on the laptop, you know, connecting with the real world, 488 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 2: and that's what it's all about. Disconnect and relax and 489 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 2: look at the stars at night, look at the wilderness. 490 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 2: Go on to height. The Clark Fork River is right 491 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 2: down the mountain below us, and there's fishing there, kayaking, canoeing, 492 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 2: all kinds of outdoor activities. So if you love the outdoors, 493 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 2: it's a perfect place to bring yourself, your fellow Marines, soldiers, Navy, 494 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 2: and your families because we want to have a family 495 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 2: oriented because when guys come back from the deployment, they're disconnected. 496 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,479 Speaker 2: They never leave the war, and their families suffer, their 497 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,919 Speaker 2: kids suffer, their wife suffer. People don't understand the PTSD 498 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 2: and everything else that is wrapped up in their minds, 499 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 2: plus the physical physical injuries. It's a really hard road 500 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 2: to tow. Matter of fact, I'm going to a PTSD 501 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 2: meeting every Tuesday at the Mesodist Church in the Woodlands 502 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 2: strictly for combat PTSD veterans. And I guess I got grief. 503 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 2: Grief and PTSD to meter or same things. Because all 504 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 2: we do is think about what happened. It's hard, it's 505 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 2: hard to hard to process. So that's why we're up 506 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 2: there in Montana, and we do it seasonally from end 507 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 2: of May until October before the snow starts hitting again. 508 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 2: They we're back to Texas working and stuff. 509 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: Here. I'm involved with a group called the PTSD Foundation 510 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: of America and residential facility called Camp Hope. 511 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 2: And that's yeah, that's that's whe these guys come from 512 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 2: Camp Hope. Yeah, and I'm gonna i'm a good probably 513 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:37,719 Speaker 2: hopefully this week or actually do a tour with them 514 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,239 Speaker 2: and talk to their management up there and see if 515 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 2: they can figure out how to sense a group of 516 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 2: guys up there. Just a just a that's that's what 517 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 2: I was thinking. 518 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: What a neat deal. One hundred and sixty four acres 519 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: next to the Lolo National Forest in Montana and soon 520 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: to be six cabins five so far. That's uh, you 521 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 1: know that that is really that's incredible. That y'all have 522 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 1: been able to pull that off is incredible. Two police 523 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 1: officers and able to make this a reality. Is man, 524 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 1: It's just it's it really is amazing. I have about 525 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: a minute left. Why don't you share with us how 526 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 1: you deal with what has to be crippling grief? Have 527 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 1: you learned some things that you can share on that. 528 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that I think that's the basic reason for 529 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 2: the book. I want to share what I do and 530 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,959 Speaker 2: with other gold Star families all over the country, all 531 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 2: over the world, and it's finding something positive every day, 532 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 2: something that makes you happy. Relive the good memories and 533 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 2: bad memories will always be there, but take it upon 534 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 2: yourself to enjoy every minute your life, Enjoy your family, 535 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 2: your children, and the people that surround you that are 536 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 2: good people, and make it a celebration of their lives. 537 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 2: And that's that's what it's all about as far as 538 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 2: I'm concerned. And every every day I get up, I've 539 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 2: got so many hobbies with the outdoors and hunting and 540 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 2: fishing and stuff like that. And I I was working 541 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 2: with Healing Waters for a while, helping them build fly 542 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 2: rods or disabled vets and fishing and stuff like that. 543 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 2: So I always get involved with a like minded group 544 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 2: and people that they love their kids as much as 545 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 2: we love ours. 546 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 1: Thank you for telling your story, Thank you for your 547 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 1: family service. The book is called Fishing with Joey