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Speaker 2: I'm Joe, Matthew and Washington. We thank you for joining

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Speaker 2: us with news coming from the White House. We've got

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Speaker 2: actually quite a bit of news coming from the administration today,

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Speaker 2: just hours after lawmakers began heading home, having codified in

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Speaker 2: legislation what was done in the Senate last week for

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Speaker 2: a reopening of the government. But that might not last

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Speaker 2: a terribly long time with a nine day deadline to

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Speaker 2: refinance funding for homeland security.

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Speaker 3: And we're going to get our arms around that story.

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Speaker 2: A bit later, President started his day on the phone

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Speaker 2: with President she Bloomberg's Tyler Kendall's going to join us

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Speaker 2: to dig into this. I have just completed an excellent

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Speaker 2: telephone conversation, he writes on Truth Social with President Shi

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Speaker 2: of China. It was a long and thorough call where

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Speaker 2: many important subjects were discussed, including trade, military, the April

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Speaker 2: trip that I will be making to China, Taiwan, the

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Speaker 2: war between Russia Ukraine, the current situation with Iran, the

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Speaker 2: purchase of oil and gas by China from the US,

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Speaker 2: the consideration by China of the purchase for additional agricultural products,

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Speaker 2: and I could go on. This is an incredibly long

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Speaker 2: post here and a run on sentence for the ages.

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Speaker 2: Tyler Kendall joins US Bloomberg Washington correspondent to get into

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Speaker 2: this and what's happening in Minneapolis as well. Tyler, what

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Speaker 2: came from this call that we can actually call a deliverable.

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Speaker 4: Well, at this moment, it appears that it was almost

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Speaker 4: a check in ahead of President Trump's visit to Beijing

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Speaker 4: in April. We're a few months out from that. We

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Speaker 4: know this is going to be a highly anticipated visit

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Speaker 4: for President Trump that he's been touting ever since he

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Speaker 4: struck that deal in South Korea late last year. Now,

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Speaker 4: in terms of deliverables, it sounds like we raised the

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Speaker 4: threshold of how China is going to be purchasing US soybean.

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Speaker 4: So far, they've purchased about twelve million tons. President Trump

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Speaker 4: says that they have committed to twenty million tons by

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Speaker 4: the end of this harvest season. We know that enforcement

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Speaker 4: mechanisms for pledged agricultural purchases like this has been something

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Speaker 4: that the US has really grappled with in recent years,

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Speaker 4: so that's going to be a metric that we watch

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Speaker 4: really closely. He also outlined that we can expect twenty

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Speaker 4: necessarily new, the US Treasury Secretary has been out previewing

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Speaker 4: essentially that that's the aims that they're going to be

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Speaker 4: looking for. The pair also discussed Taiwan, also the war

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Speaker 4: between Russia and Ukraine. That's notable, Joe, because it appears

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Speaker 4: that President Chinese President Jijinping was also busy this morning

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Speaker 4: because before he had this phone call with President Trump,

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Speaker 4: he had a video call with the Russian President Vladimir

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Speaker 4: So it appears that perhaps he detailed some of those

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Speaker 4: comments with President Trump on the phone earlier today.

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Speaker 2: Critical minerals constantly in the conversation with this administration in

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Speaker 2: the name of national security, and we've told you about

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Speaker 2: this critical minerals stockpile that the President has been pursuing.

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Speaker 2: It's twelve billion dollars in seed money, cobalt, gallium, other

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Speaker 2: Christian Morphy, the Democratic Congressman on the China Select Committee

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Speaker 3: Here's what he said.

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Speaker 5: What we know is over and over again, the Chinese

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Speaker 5: And so if you have price floors, you can keep

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Speaker 2: Now, Tyler, you've got new reporting on this, with a

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm glad they we played that sound from the

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Speaker 4: Now today we saw the Trump administration host fifty five

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Speaker 4: We've gotten some tangible agreements. I think we can say

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Speaker 3: So it's another framework that could end up being a plan.

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Speaker 1: I yes, I deal.

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Speaker 3: Tyler, Thank you.

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Speaker 2: So much, Bloomberg. Tyler Kendall with us live in Washington.

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Speaker 2: As we consider the other major headline coming out of

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Speaker 2: are Tom Holman, still in Minneapolis, announcing not only a

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Speaker 6: Given this increase in unprecedented collaboration, and as a result

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Speaker 6: of the need for less law enforce and offers to

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Speaker 6: effective immediately, we'll draw down seven hundred people affected today,

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Speaker 2: And more if local authorities better cooperate with ICE.

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Speaker 3: According to Tom Homan, this.

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Speaker 2: Is a very delicate moment in American politics, and of

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Speaker 2: the process of doing, the use of warrants though, and

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Speaker 2: nine days to figure it out. That's the continuing resolution

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Speaker 2: this clash between local and federal authorities, not just Democrats

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Speaker 2: this point. But I'll remind you as well that after

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Speaker 2: where we're going with us now live on Bloomberg TV

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Speaker 2: and Radio, the former two term mayor of New.

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Speaker 3: Orleans, Mayor Andrew. It's great to see you, welcome back.

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Speaker 2: Wondering what you would do if you were the mayor

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Speaker 7: Well, first of all, you're not just dealing with the

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Speaker 7: federal government, not DEAATF, the FBI, the US Attorney, the

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Speaker 7: National Guard, Those are all very familiar things to mayors

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Speaker 7: in America, and cities work well when there's a good

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Speaker 7: and all of those different agencies, which, by the way,

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Speaker 7: happens all the time in every administration. What's unique about

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Speaker 7: what's going on right now at Donald Trump and Steven

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Speaker 7: Miller and Tom Holman have trained and created a new

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Speaker 7: animal that they now call ICE, that is a national

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Speaker 7: law enforcement that's imposing their will without cooperation and essentially

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Speaker 7: without proper training, or if they are properly trained, they're

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Speaker 7: given the wrong message about shoot first, asked questions later,

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Speaker 7: that need being You know Tom Holman who has been

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Speaker 7: doing this a long time, and he's not exactly forthright

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Speaker 7: when he says, oh, we're going to draw down. Remember

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Speaker 7: they had three thousand ICE guys. Now people should figure

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Speaker 7: out where they got three thousand ICE guys from so quickly.

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Speaker 7: Who are they, where were they trained, what are they

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Speaker 7: I would do was what it did when I was mayor.

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Speaker 7: We had to re build a New Orleans police department.

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Speaker 7: Police officers are hired to protect and to serve. They

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Speaker 7: see the constituents as people that they're serving. They don't

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Speaker 7: see them as enemies. You have to honor the Constitution.

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Speaker 7: You know, people have the right to protest as long

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Speaker 7: And unfortunately, what has happened across the country at the

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Speaker 7: help root out crime, whether it be committed by an

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Speaker 7: the streets of America safe. But right now, most Americans

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Speaker 7: and I happen to agree with that, and I think

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Speaker 7: they got to really rethink what they're doing and get

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Speaker 7: better training. They have to have background checks, body cameras,

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Speaker 2: We heard the other side of this argument, Mayor, from

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Speaker 2: I think he speaks for a number of members of

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Speaker 3: Listen to what he said.

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Speaker 8: I think unfortunately, in both of these instances, these individuals

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Speaker 8: Tragedies like this occur, which are regrettable. But I think

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Speaker 8: the answer to it is for the sanctuary jurisdictions to

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Speaker 2: I wonder how you react to that. Well, first of time,

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Speaker 7: Sometimes sometimes people don't really think about what Senator Cornin said.

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Speaker 7: Alex Pretty who was on TV being shot in the back,

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Speaker 7: got shot ten times, was not the aggressor in that situation.

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Speaker 9: There wasn't a riot on the street.

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Speaker 7: He was exercising his First Amendment right and he was

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Speaker 9: There are very.

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Speaker 7: Few law enforcement officers themselves who would look at that

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Speaker 2: Right now, you don't worry about these officers being docksed.

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Speaker 7: But it's also listen, it's a very dangerous thing. But

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Speaker 9: That helps America be strong.

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Speaker 7: You, in fact, are a great patriot when you constructively

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Speaker 9: We have experience in it.

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Speaker 7: Actually, the entire Department of Homeland Security needs to be

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Speaker 7: Ice is just a manifestation of that. So we've got

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Speaker 3: I talked to Christian Menefee this week Mayor.

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Speaker 9: To tear it down.

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Speaker 7: Well, first of all, I don't viol let democrats council

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Speaker 7: Whether or not it's called abolishing ICE or reforming ICE

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Speaker 7: They have now given ICE one hundred I think it's

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Speaker 9: So I want the American people to think about a

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Speaker 7: We can remember our past and we can make a

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Speaker 2: Only one Mitch Landrew, the former mayor of New Orleans.

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Speaker 2: It's great to see you, mister Mayor. Don't be a stranger.

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Speaker 2: Let us know when you're back in Washington. Will continue

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Speaker 2: this conversation because I think it's going to keep on going,

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Speaker 2: a conversation you will only hear on Bloomberg TV and Radio.

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Speaker 2: This is why you want to subscribe to the podcast.

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Speaker 2: A lot to unpack.

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Speaker 3: Stay with us on Balance of Power. We'll have much

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Speaker 3: more coming up after this.

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Speaker 2: We assembled our political panel now following a fascinating conversation

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Speaker 2: with the former mayor of New Orleans, Mitch Landrew. Bloomberg

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Speaker 3: Rick.

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Speaker 2: I wonder your thoughts on what we just heard from

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Speaker 2: Mitch Landrew, who is clearly not impressed terribly with the

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Speaker 2: removal of seven hundred federal agents. He's making clear it's

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Speaker 2: true we've got another two thousand agents there. But I

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Speaker 2: had sent some optimism when we spoke earlier on your

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Speaker 2: comes to de escalation and the impact that Tom Holman

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Speaker 11: Well, First of all, let me just say I am

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Speaker 3: So yeah, look, I mean I think I.

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Speaker 11: Think there are ways to look at this. You can

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Speaker 3: Than we were a week ago.

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Speaker 11: A week ago, following the death of mister Petty, I mean,

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Speaker 11: Even Democrats didn't have a full slate of reform measures

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Speaker 11: about how to deconflict the situation both in Minneapolis but

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Speaker 11: So you never going to solve all the problems at

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Speaker 2: I'm struck by Rick's initial reaction to our conversation with

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Speaker 9: They very well might, Joe.

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Speaker 12: I think, like, not that long ago on this show,

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Speaker 12: terrorizing Americans on the streets. And I think A big

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Speaker 12: question has to be asked about why Minneapolis again, three

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Speaker 9: We have an.

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Speaker 12: Attorney General in DC saying that you can't bring guns

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Speaker 12: intent on the part of this administration and the entire

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Speaker 12: down to what Donald Trump has been spending a lot

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Speaker 12: And while all that is happening, you're not going to

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Speaker 3: Now, how's this masking issue going to be solved here? Rick?

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Speaker 3: This is a tough one.

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Speaker 2: When we asked John Cornyn yesterday about dmasking, he said

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Speaker 3: You heard what Mitch Landrew just said.

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Speaker 2: Should these ice agents be held at the same standards

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Speaker 11: Look, I mean we live in a very difficult environment

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Speaker 11: What are we going to do members of the United

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Speaker 11: mits Flanders said, we all know who they are anyway, right,

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Speaker 11: So what's the point we know who are on the

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Speaker 11: There is a social compact between law enforcement, regardless of

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Speaker 11: what agency it is, and the public. The public pays

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Speaker 11: but you have to keep the peace, and you have

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Speaker 11: every American. Right now, that social compact has been torn apart,

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Speaker 11: and so I think that if this administration really wants

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Speaker 11: or come after them, they're the enemy, not the police themselves.

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Speaker 11: I mean, I worry about the net effect on any

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Speaker 11: And so I think this is one of those symbolic

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Speaker 2: Well, boy, this is really important stuff. We could write

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Speaker 2: in exchange. I'm guessing if there's going to be an

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Speaker 2: a dmasking requirement. What would Democrats be open to giving

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Speaker 2: They've proposed increasing penalties on immigrants who cross the border illegally,

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Speaker 2: for instance. Could any of these things help to fulfill

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Speaker 2: a compromise.

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Speaker 12: I don't think Democrats are going to go along with

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Speaker 12: The proposals are sort of created and talked about so far,

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Speaker 12: I don't see that happening. I think there are a

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Speaker 12: immigration reform. We've known that for a long time. We've

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Speaker 12: These things are all very doable. We have a wonderful

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Speaker 12: question to be asked is why is John Cornyn, apart

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Speaker 12: committed to masking regular police officers except in certain circumstances

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Speaker 12: like illness and certain circumstances. So you know, they're big

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Speaker 12: questions to be asked. There are agreements to be made,

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Speaker 12: dealing with sanctuary cities.

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Speaker 9: It needs to.

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Speaker 12: Start with revitalizing ICE, retraining ICE, and reconfiguring an agency

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Speaker 12: which is swimming in money and none of it makes

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Speaker 12: any sense, and it's robbing people of their rights on

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the Speaker of the House until reporters a little.

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Speaker 2: While ago he's going to be meeting with the President

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Speaker 2: he made it pretty clear Rick and John Thune has

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Speaker 3: Will they figure that out the next nine days?

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Speaker 12: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I think maybe not in the next nine days.

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Speaker 11: I think everybody has made the point, especially Senator Thune,

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Speaker 3: Address these issues.

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Speaker 11: But at the end of the day, the President and

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Speaker 2: Could happen at any time, and of course you'll hear

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Speaker 2: insights from Rick Davis and Genie Shanzino. This is why

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Speaker 2: they are Bloomberg Politics contributors, and I thank you both,

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Speaker 2: thanks as well to Mitch Landrew. We're going to turn

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Speaker 2: our attention to what's going on overseas coming up next,

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Speaker 2: and the potential for another strike against Iran.

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Speaker 3: Stay with us on Balance of Power. We'll have much

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Speaker 3: Important happenings.

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Speaker 2: As we promised, we'd be looking abroad before this hour

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Speaker 2: Secretary of State, Marco Rubio says he's open to upcoming

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Speaker 2: talks with Iran, knowing that we have a session planned

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Speaker 2: Now he's a diplomat, of course, that's how that works.

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Speaker 2: Take a look at the reporting from Axios. The US

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Speaker 2: just told Iran it will not agree to Tehran's demands

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Speaker 2: to change the location and format of talks planned for Friday.

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Speaker 2: They wanted everybody else out of the room and just

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Speaker 2: not happening. The US and Iran had agreed to meet

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Speaker 2: in Istanbul, with other Middle Eastern countries participating as observers.

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Speaker 2: We've been continuing our conversation with Heather Conley about this,

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Speaker 2: and she's back with us in studio now, non Resident

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Speaker 2: Senior Fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. The AEI, former

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Speaker 2: drawn on more than once in Heather.

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Speaker 3: It's great to see you. Welcome back. This session happening

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Speaker 3: on Friday.

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Speaker 13: What's going on, we don't know.

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Speaker 14: On Monday we thought we had talks in Istanbul. On

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Speaker 14: Tuesday the Iranian said, nope, we're going to move those

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Speaker 14: to Aman and talk only about nuclear issues. And today

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Speaker 14: we were told the US said nope, we're not going

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Speaker 14: to do that. And Special Envoy wit Cooff and mister

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Speaker 14: Kushner may be coming back home after a meeting and cutter,

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Speaker 14: so stay tuned.

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Speaker 13: I think I think this is still moving around.

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Speaker 2: Is this part of the dance that you would expect

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Speaker 2: or is this unusual to see this all playing out

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Speaker 2: in the open.

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Speaker 13: A little bit of the dance.

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Speaker 14: That's what Iranians tend to do to keep folks off

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Speaker 14: balance and that they can sort of take the initiative.

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Speaker 13: I mean, this is gunboat diplomacy.

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Speaker 14: As you mentioned, We've got a carrier strike group, we

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Speaker 14: are building up significant forces in the Middle East, and

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Speaker 14: we are compelling in many ways Iran to the negotiating table.

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Speaker 14: This is they're trying to wrestle back a little of

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Speaker 14: the initiative.

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Speaker 2: I think understood gunboat diplomacy. The fact of the matter is.

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Speaker 2: In the end, this is going to be hashed out

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Speaker 2: between Tehran and Washington. Right, do we need to have

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Speaker 2: our neighbors at the table or Iran's neighbors in this.

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Speaker 14: Case, So it's important to have those neighbors there. As

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Speaker 14: we mentioned, there's a reason why the Saudi's, the Katari's

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Speaker 14: Amoratis aren't allowing their airspace to be used if there

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Speaker 14: is a US military strike. They're afraid of the regional spillover.

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Speaker 14: So I think it's a strong sign that other regions

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Speaker 14: diplomats are there. Look, I don't think we can say

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Speaker 14: it will always stay diplomacy diplomatic track. I think the

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Speaker 14: Trump administration wants to see where this goes. But I

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Speaker 14: also think they are keeping options available.

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Speaker 13: This is a very unique time. Aron is weak.

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Speaker 14: I think there's some searching to see if a real

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Speaker 14: important deal can be secured.

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Speaker 2: At this state administration detailed what this deal would look like.

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Speaker 2: Is it simply a promise to abandon the nuclear program?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, unclear.

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Speaker 14: I mean they've gone back to sort of the standard,

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Speaker 14: which is no nuclear enrichment, real tough limits on its energy.

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Speaker 13: Correct.

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Speaker 14: I think it's they're really very tough on that line.

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Speaker 14: They also want to add limits to Iran's ballistic missile

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Speaker 14: program and really addressing ending support to those regional proxies.

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Speaker 14: The Iranians have been very clear and this has been

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Speaker 14: part of the dance. They only want to focus on

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Speaker 14: nuclear issues. And so what it seems again oxios is

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Speaker 14: reporting the doing the nuclear conversation one on one with

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Speaker 14: the United States and then having the broader regional conversation

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Speaker 14: about the ballistic missiles, the human rights abuses, and then

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Speaker 14: the proxies.

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Speaker 2: Well, don't we know that stopping all enrichment is a

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Speaker 2: non starter for Iran, at least historically. That's when everybody

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Speaker 2: walks away from the table because they do use nuclear

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Speaker 2: power for any number of uses beyond weapons. We're talking

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Speaker 2: about the extreme enrichment that would be used for a

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Speaker 2: nuclear weapon. Does this administration need to delineate there or

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Speaker 2: has Iran lost trust on that?

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Speaker 14: Well, I think we've lost trust that the Iranians are

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Speaker 14: not transparent about their nuclear probe. And as I said,

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Speaker 14: I think this is the challenge. You put your finger

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Speaker 14: on it. The Iranian regime will not give up its

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Speaker 14: nuclear enrichment process. It believes it's for its own civilian purposes,

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Speaker 14: and I think as long as this regime is in place,

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Speaker 14: that will be there.

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Speaker 2: What I mentioned just quickly, Yeah, I can interrupt our

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Speaker 2: conversation with the red headline on the terminal.

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Speaker 3: This is breaking news right now.

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Speaker 2: The Supreme Court will allow the new California voting map

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Speaker 2: for the midterm elections, remembering this is something that went

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Speaker 2: to voters in an election not long ago, having been

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Speaker 2: put forth by Gavin Newsom in Prop fifty. The Supreme

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Speaker 2: Court allowing the voting map for the midterms. As we

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Speaker 2: spend time with Heather Connolly from the AEI here in

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Speaker 2: our Washington studio with eyes on Iran, if we get

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Speaker 2: to the point where talks are exhausted, there are still

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Speaker 2: a lot of questions about what the President's been briefed

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Speaker 2: on and exactly how we would go at another strike,

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Speaker 2: remembering we struck their nuclear their underground nuclear compounds last year.

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Speaker 2: Could we be in a situation where these are not

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Speaker 2: classic military installations or targets that are being pursued by

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Speaker 2: the military rather people.

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Speaker 3: Do we go after individuals in a way that is real?

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Speaker 13: Might well, I think that's why it's been so difficult.

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Speaker 14: We don't have clarity on the military objective, and I

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Speaker 14: think the military has to prepare for every eventuality very robust,

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Speaker 14: so regime change, so you're going after specific targets to

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Speaker 14: decapitate the regime. Are we specifically looking at again going

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Speaker 14: to ballistic missile sites? If we have to go back

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Speaker 14: to some of the nuclear sites. There were some satellite

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Speaker 14: imagery the last few days at Naton's in particular photo

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Speaker 14: that showed that they were trying to harden some of

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Speaker 14: those sites, anticipating perhaps that we'd be revisiting those.

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Speaker 13: We don't know what the objective is.

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Speaker 14: I think the president, if you choose a military option,

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Speaker 14: wants a clean, decisive and that's just not going to

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Speaker 14: be the case here. And this is what makes this

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Speaker 14: decision really hard because there's so much messy spillover effect

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Speaker 14: and I believe Iran will take very decisive action against

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Speaker 14: US forces in the region and of course Israel, So

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Speaker 14: we really have to be prepared not only for what

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Speaker 14: the strike we'd want to deliver if that option is chosen,

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Speaker 14: but then how do you defend the region.

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Speaker 13: And that's why all those assets are coming into place.

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Speaker 2: Bad patriots indeed and cutter, where would they target and Americans.

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Speaker 3: In the region.

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Speaker 13: Well, of course you'd go to the biggest locations.

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Speaker 14: That's what the Iranians did during last June's twelve day war.

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Speaker 14: So again I think, and this was it was a

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Speaker 14: little bit more scripted. I think they weren't trying to escalate.

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Speaker 14: If this regime is put in a corner, would they

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Speaker 14: really do something highly irrational, analogical and really accelerate.

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Speaker 3: That's you have to be careful of what happened yesterday.

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Speaker 2: We just shot down an Iranian drone that was we're

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Speaker 2: told acting aggressively or somehow targeting the USS Lincoln. This

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Speaker 2: is the center of the carrier strike group. It was

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Speaker 2: shot down. The drone was shot down by an American

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Speaker 2: F thirty five.

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Speaker 14: Is that an active war, Well, it's testing boundaries, and

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Speaker 14: I think this is where I think you're seeing Tehran

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Speaker 14: demonstrating that it will go very far. And I think

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Speaker 14: it's sending a message to the White House you don't

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Speaker 14: want this mess. So it also activity around a tanker

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Speaker 14: that would have been supplying US bases with fuel. So

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Speaker 14: we had two acts. This is why this is so dangerous.

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Speaker 14: This is why we want it to go back into

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Speaker 14: a diplomatic track.

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Speaker 13: But the stakes are pretty high here, Joe.

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Speaker 2: Was that an opportunity though, for the US in our

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Speaker 2: remaining moment here to prove our ability to enact force

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Speaker 2: protection that it doesn't matter which boat or which base

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Speaker 2: you're coming after, there'll be an F thirty five waiting for.

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Speaker 13: You, right, I mean, I think that's exactly it.

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Speaker 14: Both we're testing each other's boundaries, and this is where

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Speaker 14: you have to clearly and decisively deter that behavior. And

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Speaker 14: military demonstrated that it will take those steps for sure.

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Speaker 2: Does that in fact a bigger flotilla if we can

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Speaker 2: use that thord, A bigger armanda than we had in Venezuela,

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Speaker 2: is the plaint right about that?

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Speaker 14: I believe the build up is much more significant. Again,

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Speaker 14: we have much greater basing facilities in that region. But yes,

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Speaker 14: I mean you have to move in. This is where

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Speaker 14: we weren't too worried about Venezuela and missile capabilities.

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Speaker 13: You have again ballistic missiles.

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Speaker 3: You've got to.

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Speaker 13: Prepare for that.

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Speaker 2: The satellite imagery has been remarkable. The Washington Post put

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Speaker 2: up a number of them today, showing dozens of F fifteen's,

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Speaker 2: the F eighteen growlers, and a lot of other aircraft

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Speaker 2: that could be used, all in a crouch like position,

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Speaker 2: as they say. Heather Connelly, thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: spending time with us. As always, straight from AEI, Thanks

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