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Speaker 4: What Joe Jordan's clumber. We got so much to talk
Speaker 4: about Tonight. Florida tells teens to touch grass, the Supreme
Speaker 4: Court finds out what women want, and Donald Trump just
Speaker 4: read a book. So let's get into tonight's headline, shall we.
Speaker 4: Let's begin with the ongoing legal woes of America's defendant in.
Speaker 5: Chief, Donald Trump.
Speaker 4: Trump has just over a week to come up with
Speaker 4: one hundred and seventy five million dollar bond in his
Speaker 4: real estate fraud case. And if he can't get it
Speaker 4: from selling shares in a social media company, or borrowing from
Speaker 4: his billionaire friends, or teaming up with Giuliani for a
Speaker 4: sexy car wash, then and this latest very classy business venture.
Speaker 5: Just might do the trick.
Speaker 6: I'm proud to be partnering with my very good friend
Speaker 6: Lee Greenwood, who doesn't love his song God Bless the
Speaker 6: USA in connection with promoting the God Bless the USA Bible.
Speaker 6: This Bible is the King James version and also includes
Speaker 6: our founding for other documents. Yes, the Constitution, also, the
Speaker 6: Bill of Rights, the Declaration of Independence, and the Pledge
Speaker 6: of Allegiance are all part of this. All Americans need
Speaker 6: a Bible in their home, and I have many.
Speaker 1: It's my favorite.
Speaker 5: Book, many, many, many. How does that thing not burst
Speaker 5: into flames immediately?
Speaker 3: Huh?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Trump is mashing together the Bible and the Constitution.
Speaker 5: Like it's a pizza hut taco bell.
Speaker 4: And I know people will say that you're not supposed
Speaker 4: to mix the Bible and the Constitution, But what you
Speaker 4: have to understand is Trump has never read either of them.
Speaker 5: If we step back and look.
Speaker 4: At this, Trump getting into business with God can only
Speaker 4: mean one thing. God is going to end up bankrupt
Speaker 4: and serving a three month prison sentence for lying under oath.
Speaker 4: I mean, what's amazing about this is that Trump just
Speaker 4: made five billion dollars on his new stock. Buddy, you're
Speaker 4: not supposed to be doing this embarrassing grifter shit. When
Speaker 4: you're that rich, Just start a private space company like
Speaker 4: a normal billionaire sociopathic.
Speaker 5: You don't see.
Speaker 4: Elon Musk selling his farts in jars to perverts.
Speaker 1: Do you?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 5: Maybe maybe I haven't looked into it. Probably probably you do.
Speaker 4: But you know, I bet if I bet if I bet, yes,
Speaker 4: he probably.
Speaker 5: Let's move on, shall I. Let's move on to the
Speaker 5: big news of the day.
Speaker 4: As we've all heard by now, this morning, a cargo
Speaker 4: ship leaving Baltimore crashed into the Francis Scott Key Bridge,
Speaker 4: collapsing the entire bridge into the water. Now, early indications
Speaker 4: suggests the crash was caused by a power failure on
Speaker 4: the ship, but that's not going to stop America's professional
Speaker 4: fearmongers from blaming it on whatever's most convenient to them.
Speaker 7: The White House says there are no indications of foul
Speaker 7: play here. Of course, we're we're worried about a potential,
Speaker 7: you know, terrorist attack given the wide open border.
Speaker 8: You know, I'm no expert in what's going on in
Speaker 8: the seas, but all I would say is that if
Speaker 8: you talk to employers in America, they'll tell you that
Speaker 8: filling slots with employees who aren't drug adled it's a
Speaker 8: very huge problem.
Speaker 9: And what are we doing to make sure that we
Speaker 9: have the best infrastructure in the world so that when
Speaker 9: a ship passes by and clips the bridge, that it
Speaker 9: doesn't entirely collapse.
Speaker 5: Alex Jones tweeting looks deliberate to me. A cyber attack
Speaker 5: is probable. World War three has already started. World War
Speaker 5: three has already started. But I have doomed tickets this weekend.
Speaker 5: Can I least see it before I enlist in the war?
Speaker 5: Who are we fighting? Exactly? Is the boats?
Speaker 4: Are we fighting the boats? You know what doesn't matter.
Speaker 4: I'll just start shooting. We'll figure it out later. You know,
Speaker 4: media figures you are allowed to just say we're waiting
Speaker 4: for more information, right, We don't need to fill every
Speaker 4: moment of uncertainty with bullshit. It might be too early
Speaker 4: to speculate, but can we prove that this wasn't P
Speaker 4: Diddy's getaway sex barge? Stay tuned and buy up?
Speaker 1: Look?
Speaker 4: Of course, America's infrastructure is in need of updating, of course,
Speaker 4: but I don't think this is the proof. Falling down
Speaker 4: is kind of what you expect a bridge to do
Speaker 4: when a giant cargo ship slams into it. If your
Speaker 4: grandma gets body slammed by the rock, you're not gonna
Speaker 4: blame her broken bones on a calcium deficiencyt You're gonna
Speaker 4: blame it on her not bringing her a game to
Speaker 4: the rock. You gotta step it up nightA gotta step
Speaker 4: it up home on Yes, finally, finally, finally, and some
Speaker 4: social media news. If you're a pre teen in Florida
Speaker 4: watching clips of the show on TikTok, you're about to
Speaker 4: be in a world of trouble.
Speaker 10: We turned out to a social media showdown in Florida,
Speaker 10: Governor ron Dea Santas signing a bill banning children under
Speaker 10: fourteen from having their own social media accounts.
Speaker 11: If this law holds, Florida will have one of the
Speaker 11: most restrictive social media bands in the country. The new
Speaker 11: measure bar social media accounts for children under the age
Speaker 11: of fourteen and requires parental concess for fifteen and sixteen
Speaker 11: year olds. It also mandates that social media platforms search
Speaker 11: for and remove the profiles of kids who don't meet
Speaker 11: the age requirement.
Speaker 4: This makes me so mad, This asshole, Ronda Sansus might
Speaker 4: have done something I agree with.
Speaker 12: I mean, what.
Speaker 5: Wait, what does the say about me? I don't know
Speaker 5: what that says about me.
Speaker 4: I do think maybe this law isn't a bad idea.
Speaker 4: I think we can all agree that social media is
Speaker 4: a nightmare for kids. It increases their risk of depression,
Speaker 4: It exposes them to predators, It harms concentration. It gives
Speaker 4: you a wildly unrealistic expectation of how.
Speaker 5: Easy it is to prepare meals.
Speaker 4: Just throw in the potato, some stallion, some boiling water,
Speaker 4: a couple of fast that it's well, beautiful dinner, and
Speaker 4: your entire family loves you.
Speaker 3: You're a great father.
Speaker 5: No, it's not that easy. It turns out there's a
Speaker 5: lot of prep work. The videos don't show you that.
Speaker 4: They gotta blanch the onions and you got a Julianne
Speaker 4: the carrots.
Speaker 5: Now it's ten pm. Your kids are starving. They hate you.
Speaker 5: Why am I supposed to be doing all the cookie anyway?
Speaker 5: I was at work all day. I'm not a failure
Speaker 5: of an ta he God, damn it.
Speaker 4: Hypothetically, the point is, if Florida teenagers are kicked off
Speaker 4: of their phones, maybe they can focus on all the
Speaker 4: quintessential experiences of being a teen in Florida, things like
Speaker 4: wrestling a gator at prom, or going to the library
Speaker 4: and reading the four books that are still legal to read,
Speaker 4: or trying to avoid Matt Gates on your walk home
Speaker 4: from school. You know, classic Florida teen shit. Honestly, I
Speaker 4: wish Ron DeSantis had run on this when he was
Speaker 4: a presidential candidate. This, this is a much better message
Speaker 4: than his platform of wearing high heels and smiling like
Speaker 4: a demon in a horror movie.
Speaker 5: There's always twenty twenty eight Ron.
Speaker 4: For more reaction on the social media van, we go
Speaker 4: to Josh Johnson in tell Josh.
Speaker 5: I'll be honest, I don't hate this bill.
Speaker 4: I think getting kids off social media will benefit them
Speaker 4: in all sorts of ways, kind of development, better time management,
Speaker 4: personal skills.
Speaker 5: It's gonna be great for them. Yeah, Jordan, I couldn't
Speaker 5: agree more. And that's the problem.
Speaker 9: Okay, if you kick kids off of social while the
Speaker 9: rest of us stay on it, you're giving them a
Speaker 9: competitive advantage. How am I going to compete against a
Speaker 9: well rounded child after social media has already broken me?
Speaker 9: I have short term memory loss, bad eyesight, no attention span,
Speaker 9: crippling anxiety, short term memory loss, and according to TikTok
Speaker 9: all those symptoms mean I might be pregnant.
Speaker 4: Okay, jus, come on, I'm pretty sure you can compete
Speaker 4: with a fourteen year old.
Speaker 5: I can't.
Speaker 9: I've been staring down at the phone for twenty years,
Speaker 9: I can't even make strong eye contact.
Speaker 4: Look stop that, stop stop doing stop doing that, stop
Speaker 4: do don't stop.
Speaker 5: Don't ever do that again, Josh, I don't know any
Speaker 5: other way.
Speaker 4: Okay, I understand your concern, but you have to admit
Speaker 4: social media is awful for kids. They just spend all
Speaker 4: day bullying each other online.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 9: I get that, but banning social media won't make the
Speaker 9: bully energy go away. It'll just redirect it to the
Speaker 9: rest of us, specifically me.
Speaker 5: All right.
Speaker 9: I used to live across from middle school Jordan. I
Speaker 9: basically couldn't go outside after three. I was walking home
Speaker 9: one day in shorts and a kid in a wheelchair
Speaker 9: yelled at me.
Speaker 5: Damn, I thought my legs d Okay.
Speaker 4: Okay, fair, but you are an adult. You can handle
Speaker 4: a couple of accurate comments. But there have been conclusive
Speaker 4: studies that social media lowers kids self esteem.
Speaker 5: What about my self esteem?
Speaker 9: A child said I look like a pedophile merge with
Speaker 9: one of his victims, and his friend said that they
Speaker 9: loved my performance of Fast Car at the Grammys.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, I guess I can see it.
Speaker 9: You want to know what else they said because they
Speaker 9: had more of the chamber.
Speaker 5: I don't know what they said.
Speaker 4: Maybe nice suit to come with the car seats, or
Speaker 4: you're like if little Wade never wrapped, or.
Speaker 5: I didn't know adults came in fun selling or something
Speaker 5: like that.
Speaker 1: Okay, Jordan, damn you too.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: It's just easy. Okay.
Speaker 5: So to be clear, you're saying you opposed this bell.
Speaker 12: Yes.
Speaker 9: In fact, it should be magic toy for these kids
Speaker 9: to be on social media. Every child's face should be
Speaker 9: glued to a screen to protect me, I mean us
Speaker 9: when we walk home in Georg's.
Speaker 4: You can't argue with that, Josh Johnson, everybody.
Speaker 5: We will turn to find out how Republican to get
Speaker 5: voters back.
Speaker 12: Don't go away, Welcome back to the other show.
Speaker 4: In the last few years, anti abortion activists have had
Speaker 4: a string of successes at the Supreme Court, but today
Speaker 4: it appears that their winning streak might be in jeopardy.
Speaker 13: The Supreme Court today appeared likely to preserve access to
Speaker 13: memphor pristone, the medication used in nearly two thirds of
Speaker 13: abortions last year. During oral arguments this morning, court watchers
Speaker 13: say a consensus seemed to develop among the Justices that
Speaker 13: the abortion opponents who filed suit lack the standing to sue.
Speaker 1: Now, if that.
Speaker 13: Stands, it would allow patients to receive the drug by
Speaker 13: mail order without a doctor's visit.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 4: Looks like women in red states can still get an
Speaker 4: abortion as long as they can sneak in a pill
Speaker 4: through the male success. Maybe women have too many rights now,
Speaker 4: I don't know. Even if the abortion pill survives this time,
Speaker 4: it's clear that women's reproductive health will be under threat
Speaker 4: for a long time, which presents a big problem for
Speaker 4: Republicans who are trying to figure out how to win
Speaker 4: over women voters while taking their rights away. The Republicans
Speaker 4: do have a woman problem. What do they need to
Speaker 4: do to message to those folks better?
Speaker 11: A brand new strategy memo circulating up the house gup's
Speaker 11: policy retreat recommending that members express empathy for women.
Speaker 4: Express empathy. Okay, novel idea. Let's keep brainstorming.
Speaker 14: Republicans need to learn how to talk about abortion in
Speaker 14: a way that is going to appeal to suburban voters,
Speaker 14: single mothers, married mothers, women across the political spectrum.
Speaker 5: Yes, be as appealing as that guy. Okay, good notes,
Speaker 5: you a good notes, you're very good notes.
Speaker 4: Yes, achievable, I think, yes, Okay, any other Bret's taking
Speaker 4: the obvious suggestions. What do you think the Republicans need
Speaker 4: to do with their abortion messaging?
Speaker 10: Well, I think it's an overall message in general. You
Speaker 10: got to talk directly to the people. You got to
Speaker 10: give and take on some issues. It looks like the
Speaker 10: majority of Americans don't like the rape and incest thing.
Speaker 4: All right, I forgot, I won forgot almost the maturity
Speaker 4: of Americans don't.
Speaker 5: Don't like the rape and incest thing.
Speaker 4: Right, It's amazing what the polling shows. Well, here's a
Speaker 4: humble suggestion. Maybe one way to win over women is
Speaker 4: not to talk about rape and incests like it's a
Speaker 4: menu item. You forgot the name of Oh we went
Speaker 4: to that cute place and we had the what was it?
Speaker 4: The rape and incest thing? You know, the but the
Speaker 4: philo do crossed so good. But obviously, if Republicans want
Speaker 4: to get the support of women, they could focus less
Speaker 4: on tweaking their messaging and.
Speaker 5: Just, I don't know, give women their rights back. Not
Speaker 5: that complable, that's an idea, but.
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe it's going to take extreme measures for Republicans
Speaker 4: to realize that.
Speaker 1: Mead Senator Tim Greco.
Speaker 15: He likes past cars, sexy women, and abortion bands with
Speaker 15: no exception for rape, incest or the life of the mother.
Speaker 1: The eyes have it total abortion band. He thought he
Speaker 1: has politics all figured out. Our whole numbers of women
Speaker 1: are just thanky. It just doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 5: They're probably just mad.
Speaker 1: They suck at sport Kobe until one day I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go jack off in the breastfeeding room.
Speaker 15: A freak jacking ofth accident transformed him that's killing me
Speaker 15: into the one thing his political party couldn't understand.
Speaker 12: WHOA I'm a woman.
Speaker 1: This November, it's you're pregnant.
Speaker 5: I can't be pregnant.
Speaker 1: It's thirsty Thursday.
Speaker 5: Isn't there some kind of a medical procedure I could get?
Speaker 3: You mean an abortion?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 5: God, no, no, I mean like a medical procedure, not.
Speaker 1: In this state.
Speaker 5: Thanks to that law Tim Greco just passed.
Speaker 15: Shouldn't have made.
Speaker 16: That sign so specific.
Speaker 1: The inspirational story of one Republican bought HiT's me.
Speaker 5: It's in Greco.
Speaker 13: I got turned into a pregnant woman from a magical
Speaker 13: breast pump on my penis.
Speaker 5: I believe you to continue.
Speaker 7: I know what women biggers want?
Speaker 5: Legalized abortion.
Speaker 1: Man's a good one.
Speaker 5: Hey, does this mean, since you're a lady now that
Speaker 5: I could have a sex with you?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 5: Maybe?
Speaker 15: And what it's probably gonna take to make Republicans realize
Speaker 15: what women voters actually want.
Speaker 1: Women voters want access to abortion, you know, like before
Speaker 1: or maybe women voters want trans people banned from working
Speaker 1: in sandwich shops.
Speaker 3: Write that down? Hey now, but sure a woman to leave?
Speaker 12: Maybe?
Speaker 1: Do no.
Speaker 16: Me?
Speaker 1: What women voters want coming to theaters with this book?
Speaker 5: We come back to photos. We're been joining me on
Speaker 5: the show, so go away. Welcome back to the Daily Show.
Speaker 4: Well, I guess tonight is to see it at anchor,
Speaker 4: chief national security analyst and best selling author whose latest
Speaker 4: book is called The Turn of Great Powers, Russia, China
Speaker 4: and the Next World War plays Welcome Jim showed out.
Speaker 5: The Turn of the Great Powers, Russia, China and the
Speaker 5: Next the Next World War? What are we talking? Is
Speaker 5: it's going to be a cold war? A hot war.
Speaker 3: It's an uplifting story, you know something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a lovely read that I read to my
Speaker 4: kid just to scare him to do better in school.
Speaker 16: To be honest, it's a warning, right, And I've spent
Speaker 16: a lot of years in these places, tracking these things
Speaker 16: which I which I think we have to be concerned about.
Speaker 16: So it's meant to be a warning, and I think
Speaker 16: it's a serious one. But I also think going into it,
Speaker 16: we that is, the people who want a world not
Speaker 16: run by autocrats, right, and not about.
Speaker 3: Half of us?
Speaker 16: Yeah, more, maybe even maybe even more, we have some
Speaker 16: advantages going into it, right, So so I direct over
Speaker 16: time to ways that we could find a way forward, right,
Speaker 16: avoid the next World war, but also come out on
Speaker 16: top of the things that we hold valuable.
Speaker 4: It provides in some ways a blueprint to get past that,
Speaker 4: but also looks back as how we've gotten where we
Speaker 4: are right now. You're focusing a lot about where we're
Speaker 4: on this moment with Ukraine, talk about where we are
Speaker 4: with China. You call this a post post Cold War moment.
Speaker 4: How do you draw that line from the Cold War
Speaker 4: to the post Cold War?
Speaker 3: So you know, for my generation and you're younger than me, but.
Speaker 5: Twenties, Max, we remember that moment.
Speaker 16: We remember that night followed the Wall nineteen eighty nine,
Speaker 16: followed the Berlin Wall, collapse of the Soviet Union. This
Speaker 16: was we thought bringing about a period of peace, and
Speaker 16: it did for a time, right, I mean, the Cold
Speaker 16: War was over, and for a very brief moment in time,
Speaker 16: the US and Russia, if not friends, found a way
Speaker 16: to go forward. And with China, even if it was
Speaker 16: growing more powerful. We thought that Russia and China that
Speaker 16: we could work with them all the time, and there's
Speaker 16: still ways we could work with them. But we thought
Speaker 16: that they wanted what we wanted, right, We were mirroring
Speaker 16: to some extent. And the truth is, they don't really
Speaker 16: want what we want to a large degree, because they
Speaker 16: see it, and to be fair, they're seeing this from
Speaker 16: a different perspective. They see our world order as being
Speaker 16: to our advantage and not theirs. So they see it
Speaker 16: as in their interests to make America weaker and to
Speaker 16: undermine that system. Now, that'd be clear when I talk
Speaker 16: to folks you know, in Europe, in Asia, here in
Speaker 16: the US, they don't believe that China and Russia want to.
Speaker 3: Go to war with us, right. There are smart enough
Speaker 3: people to know that that would be a horrible war,
Speaker 3: to be a hot one.
Speaker 16: That said, they're willing to push the limits pretty far,
Speaker 16: I mean, And one that we saw just in the
Speaker 16: last few years, right, is the largest invasion, the largest
Speaker 16: land war in Europe in eighty years, right, I mean,
Speaker 16: that's a pretty big deal.
Speaker 3: That shows how far they're willing to push the liber.
Speaker 4: Well, you wrote this book obviously before the terrorist attacks
Speaker 4: in Russia just a week ago. I'm wondering how you
Speaker 4: see an attack like that effect seen some of these
Speaker 4: some of these pathways.
Speaker 16: Well, listen post nine to eleven. That was a period
Speaker 16: when the US and Russia actually worked together on terror.
Speaker 16: They were sharing information and so on, and it showed
Speaker 16: that there are times that you have shared interest and
Speaker 16: that's a good thing. And there are other things too.
Speaker 16: The US and China actually at times work together on
Speaker 16: climate change. That's not a bad thing, but the whole
Speaker 16: host of things that we don't work together on or
Speaker 16: like at log our heads on. That period with Russia
Speaker 16: certainly ended to the point where the reporting is that
Speaker 16: the US actually warned Russia that an attack like this
Speaker 16: was in the offing, and Putin basically ignored that warning.
Speaker 16: You know, that's partly a lack of trust, which is important.
Speaker 16: It's partly a lack of communication that those channels just
Speaker 16: aren't open anymore. So that's a sign of one of
Speaker 16: the dangerous trends here is that we don't talk in
Speaker 16: ways that we used to. And I'm not necessarily talking
Speaker 16: about happy talk, right, but we don't have hotlines open
Speaker 16: that we used to, which are important to keep small
Speaker 16: things from becoming bigger things. And those hotlines developed because
Speaker 16: in the last Cold War, we.
Speaker 3: Got really damn close, right.
Speaker 16: I mean, if you think the Cuban missile crisis, right,
Speaker 16: I mean, that was and I talk about this in
Speaker 16: the book because it's about learning lessons from history as well,
Speaker 16: but that came close to.
Speaker 3: It to a global nuclear war.
Speaker 16: And after that, folks like Kennedy iven Khrishchief said, we
Speaker 16: got to find ways that that doesn't have.
Speaker 3: We don't get that closer.
Speaker 16: Let's have hotlines, let's negotiate some nuclear treaties, et cetera.
Speaker 16: And the thing is, we have to get back to
Speaker 16: that point because right now we're going this way, We're
Speaker 16: not going this way.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's interesting.
Speaker 4: You do talk a lot about that you have to
Speaker 4: keep these lines of communication open, and you also have
Speaker 4: a chapter or you look at this madman theory.
Speaker 5: Donald Trump brags about.
Speaker 4: The relationship that he has with Vladimir Potene, He brags
Speaker 4: about what he did with Kim Jong un, and I
Speaker 4: think on one hand you can see through what that
Speaker 4: means and what he wants from that. On the other hand,
Speaker 4: he's talking about legitimate connections. You actually even talk about
Speaker 4: some of the successes Trump had with his relationship with
Speaker 4: Kim John Un and this madman theory in some sense
Speaker 4: of being so big, so bragg and do show that
Speaker 4: tactically that sometimes can be beneficial in ways that other
Speaker 4: tactics can't.
Speaker 3: True.
Speaker 16: Listen, opening channels is not a bad thing, right, you know,
Speaker 16: sitting down with Kim Joe Nun is not a bad thing.
Speaker 3: Or with Putin or she. We have to be talking.
Speaker 16: That's better than not talking, because when you don't talk,
Speaker 16: I mean, that's true relationships as well, right, when you.
Speaker 5: Don't Jim safe, Well things, Jim, we got to say.
Speaker 5: But you're here to talk about the book.
Speaker 16: Jim, you talk about the Cold War war, all right,
Speaker 16: you gotta talk.
Speaker 3: Talking is not bad.
Speaker 16: But you also have to have realistic expectations. So so
Speaker 16: Trump had three face to face meeting with Kim Jogund
Speaker 16: went nowhere. Right, there were no agreements, but sheer force
Speaker 16: of personality is not going to change their long term
Speaker 16: interest The worrisome thing, right is that for Russia and China,
Speaker 16: these are strategic decisions to undermine the US and the
Speaker 16: system as it stands today again because they look at
Speaker 16: it as aligned against them, kind of skewed against them.
Speaker 16: So the strongest personality in the world is not going
Speaker 16: to change long term strategic interests.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 16: And if Trump imagines as he does, and by the way,
Speaker 16: don't trust me, I talk to folks who advised him
Speaker 16: at the most senior levels in his last administration. If
Speaker 16: Trump believes by his personality alone, he's going to fundamentally
Speaker 16: change dynamic, it just doesn't line up with reality.
Speaker 12: Right.
Speaker 16: Doesn't mean talking is a bad idea, but you have
Speaker 16: to know who you're dealing with here, and you have
Speaker 16: to know what they're what they're seeking to do, and
Speaker 16: you have to be clear to say I'm not gonna
Speaker 16: let that happen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you talked to a lot of Trump insiders here.
Speaker 4: I think something that stood out in reading this was
Speaker 4: we heard stories about Trump's desire to pull out of NATO,
Speaker 4: and I think you kind of walk through how close
Speaker 4: that was to becoming a reality and when I find compelling,
Speaker 4: like that's a big issue right now, and will I will,
Speaker 4: I will say when I go out and I talk
Speaker 4: to people at MAGA events, you know, there's an isolationist
Speaker 4: attitude to say the least. But I do think a
Speaker 4: lot of people don't when you bring up something like NATO.
Speaker 4: The idea of pulling out of NATO is a no brainer.
Speaker 4: We want to be to ourselves. That's it doesn't serve
Speaker 4: us any any and it does doesn't do us any good.
Speaker 4: And I will also say, as a younger generation, as
Speaker 4: somebody who's twenty four, as you pointed out, like the
Speaker 4: conversation at my school about the Cold War was short
Speaker 4: our understanding of NATO.
Speaker 5: We don't have.
Speaker 4: We are so disconnected from the realities of what that
Speaker 4: was created for that I think like the discussions we're
Speaker 4: having right now about the importance of NATO are falling
Speaker 4: on deaf ears on one one party and one candidate,
Speaker 4: but also on deaf ears on I think an electorate
Speaker 4: that isn't educated in history in a way to understand
Speaker 4: what NATO is supposed to do.
Speaker 5: Is this also a crisis of education one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know as well as me that the
Speaker 3: baseball bat doesn't work.
Speaker 12: Right.
Speaker 16: When you're trying to convince people of the importance of
Speaker 16: these things or how it served our interests over time,
Speaker 16: you have just remind people and make an argument as
Speaker 16: to what we gain from it. I mean, I think
Speaker 16: when you look at a place like Ukraine. So Ukraine
Speaker 16: is a country of forty minute, it's the largest country
Speaker 16: in Europe. I've spent a lot of time there. They're
Speaker 16: lovely people, right. They don't want much more than what
Speaker 16: we have, which is to be able to choose your
Speaker 16: own leaders, travel where you want to go, and not
Speaker 16: get dumped off of building balconies. Right, if you write
Speaker 16: a critical piece about the person in charge of the country,
Speaker 16: I might be speaking about how Russia. You know what
Speaker 16: life is like in Russia today, that's the way it is.
Speaker 16: They don't want that, they don't want to live under that.
Speaker 16: So you have, you know, you have a sympathetic case
Speaker 16: as to why to help these people, or why to
Speaker 16: help the Taiwanese people defend themselves from China. But then
Speaker 16: you have a self interested case, which is that you
Speaker 16: know NATO has stood by the US. The only time
Speaker 16: NATO has invoked its mutual Defense Agreement was post nine
Speaker 16: to eleven, and they went to war with US in
Speaker 16: Afghanistan post nine to eleven. So you have that, but
Speaker 16: also a peaceful Europe that is free from Russian domination
Speaker 16: is in our interest. It's a vibrant Europe, it's an
Speaker 16: economically healthy Europe.
Speaker 3: We sell a lot of stuff there.
Speaker 16: We could go do business there, we could send our
Speaker 16: kids to semesters abroad there, that kind of thing. Things
Speaker 16: we buy are cheaper here because it's peaceful there. And
Speaker 16: you can say the same thing about Asia. You know,
Speaker 16: half the stuff in our homes comes through shipping lanes
Speaker 16: in Asia, which the US helps keep open. So you
Speaker 16: have both a sympathetic case to make for this kind
Speaker 16: of thing and a values case. But you also have
Speaker 16: a self interested case because we benefited that from that
Speaker 16: for years, not just since the last Cold War, but
Speaker 16: even going back to like eighty years ago post World
Speaker 16: War Two. That NATO and other treaties helped keep the
Speaker 16: peace pretty much. It's not perfect, but they did prevent
Speaker 16: so far, right, you know, the next World war. That's important.
Speaker 16: We benefit from that.
Speaker 4: You talked about this not just being a downer. There
Speaker 4: is a blueprint for some optimism there where do you
Speaker 4: see that?
Speaker 3: So a couple of things, one like, we don't want
Speaker 3: to look at them as ten feet tall. Russia or China.
Speaker 3: They make mistakes.
Speaker 16: So I mean, prior to the Ukraine invasion you've probably
Speaker 16: heard this too, a lot of folks were like, Prutin's
Speaker 16: way too smart. He's playing three dimensional chess with the West,
Speaker 16: all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: He will never do it. Behold, he invades things.
Speaker 5: Nobody knows how chess works exactly. People use that metaphor.
Speaker 5: It's like, we don't we don't really have a good understanding.
Speaker 3: My year old daughter beats me a chess back.
Speaker 5: So they focused Jim.
Speaker 16: So you know, they make mistakes too, and he got
Speaker 16: himself in a horrible war, which you know he's effectively losing, right,
Speaker 16: And China makes mistakes as well, and its economy is
Speaker 16: you know, it's definitely flattening out this idea that China's
Speaker 16: is going to be growing forever. They've got weaknesses as well,
Speaker 16: So you want to start with we have advantages. The
Speaker 16: US economy is growing. You know, we have an open societ.
Speaker 16: People buy and want to buy American stuff, right, they
Speaker 16: don't want to buy Russian cell phones.
Speaker 3: Right, you know we we we there's a reason for that, right.
Speaker 5: I haven't tried.
Speaker 1: I tried, they might blow up.
Speaker 16: So we have advantages in that sense. We have a
Speaker 16: lot of friends and allies. One thing, when you look
Speaker 16: at Russian China, they don't have allies. I mean, Russia's
Speaker 16: biggest allies right now are China, North Korean Iran. I
Speaker 16: mean we we have all of Europe in effect on
Speaker 16: our side. We shared values, so we have advantages going
Speaker 16: in and then in terms of how to find a
Speaker 16: path so that we don't go to war. I mean
Speaker 16: people ask me this, They're like, well, it sounds like
Speaker 16: you're making the case to go to war against Russia
Speaker 16: and China. And I always say them, I said this
Speaker 16: before we came on. I've got a thirteen year old
Speaker 16: and fifty year old boy. They're like a minute away
Speaker 16: from draft age. And I'm sure folks in the audience
Speaker 16: who have kids think the same thing.
Speaker 3: You don't. You don't want them on a.
Speaker 16: US aircraft carrier on the Taiwan Straight if the US
Speaker 16: and China were to go to war. I don't want
Speaker 16: that I don't want that either, but we can learn
Speaker 16: from history here, right. One thing is communication lines matter.
Speaker 16: There's a reason why Kennedy and Khrushcheff were like, we
Speaker 16: got really close. I gotta have a phone on my desk.
Speaker 16: You gotta have a phone on your desk so this
Speaker 16: doesn't happen again. Those things have faded over time, and
Speaker 16: with China and a lot of respects, we haven't had them.
Speaker 16: They've come and gone when relationships have gone up and down.
Speaker 16: So communication matters, treaties matter. You know, we negotiated those
Speaker 16: nuclear arms treaties again to keep the US and Russia
Speaker 16: from going to war and kind of like just beating
Speaker 16: each other to death in a nuclear arms race. A
Speaker 16: lot of those treaties have gone away in the last
Speaker 16: several years, and there are Americans that are like, ah,
Speaker 16: we don't need those treaties. Well, actually they kind of help, right,
Speaker 16: And we have no treaties with China when it comes
Speaker 16: to nuclear weapons. There are no treaties regarding cyber weapons,
Speaker 16: there are no treaties red regarding weapons in space. I mean,
Speaker 16: Russia just you know, probably saw our story a few
Speaker 16: weeks ago, talked about putting a nuke in space to
Speaker 16: knockout satellites, which, by the way, just so you know,
Speaker 16: if you think about this war being a million miles
Speaker 16: away from us, you know, with cyber attacks or with
Speaker 16: attacks in space, we lose all the technology we depend
Speaker 16: on every day, GPS and communications and internet and the
Speaker 16: final anchial market stop. So you know, this stuff affects
Speaker 16: us at home. We need treaties for that stuff.
Speaker 5: We are heading to the good news.
Speaker 9: And you.
Speaker 5: Mentioned a nuclear weapon in space.
Speaker 3: This is why my kids love talking to their dads.
Speaker 3: This is what I bring home.
Speaker 16: But the final thing is that you can with those treaties,
Speaker 16: they can help. They can help this going down a
Speaker 16: bad path. And the final thing is that communicating what
Speaker 16: you want won't stand for matters, right, I mean, if
Speaker 16: you look, I speak a lot to the Estonian Prime minister.
Speaker 3: Here.
Speaker 16: Estonia's like right on the front lines of this right
Speaker 16: next to Russia, and she constantly quoted Churchill about Hitler,
Speaker 16: which is which is an appeaser is the one who
Speaker 16: feeds the crocodile expecting that he'll be its last meal.
Speaker 16: The thing is that the parallels between a Hitler and
Speaker 16: a Putin is that if you give a little ground,
Speaker 16: he tends to take more. You know, he took a
Speaker 16: piece of Georgia in two thousand and eight, and he
Speaker 16: took Ukraine in twenty fourteen and then invaded again. That
Speaker 16: clear communication, and we learned this from from Hitler. You know,
Speaker 16: if you are soft and don't tell them what's too
Speaker 16: far for you, they might then take advantage and move forward.
Speaker 3: So the US, I think and its allies.
Speaker 16: Can be confident say we're not gonna allow you to
Speaker 16: invade countries because borders matter to us, and there are friends,
Speaker 16: and we're gonna stand in the way, and the costs
Speaker 16: are going to be high for you. That doesn't that
Speaker 16: doesn't necessarily mean we're gonna go We're gonna take you
Speaker 16: to war by any means, but that we defend our
Speaker 16: friends and we're gonna be strong. And those those messages
Speaker 16: matter over time, and if you look back, sometimes clear
Speaker 16: messaging can can can prevent miscalculation and can prevent the
Speaker 16: guy on the other side thinking he could take advantage
Speaker 16: of you.
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