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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season two eleven, Episode

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Speaker 1: two of Jo Days, the production of My Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: This is a podcast where we take a deep dive

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Speaker 1: into America's shared consciousness. And it is Wednesday, No, which

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Speaker 1: means it's National Education Support Professionals Day, which yeah, that

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Speaker 1: includes secretaries, classroomates, cafeteria workers, maintenance workers, bus draford, everyone

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Speaker 1: who supports educators, school leadership, and the students. To shout

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Speaker 1: out to Ali, y'all, did you ever have a person

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Speaker 1: in this category that you remember fondly, like, not a teacher,

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Speaker 1: but just on the I guess the support professionals. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean the the front office at Normandy Elementary School

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Speaker 1: and Dayton, Ohio. The person who like answered the phone

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Speaker 1: and was sort of the office manager in the Principle's

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Speaker 1: office was like probably the faith I remember her more

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Speaker 1: than I remember the principle. I don't know who the

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Speaker 1: hear her voice. I remember the one of the maintenance

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Speaker 1: guys in my elementary school, This guy, Steve. He like

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Speaker 1: I was in like the video like yearbook class in

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Speaker 1: eighth grade until we run around with his camera like jackass.

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Speaker 1: That we didn't know what we're doing. We're like, hey, man,

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Speaker 1: say something to the class to blah blah blah, like

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Speaker 1: shout him out, you have any words of wisdom And

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Speaker 1: this dude, this guy was very few words ever spoken

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Speaker 1: he said, what is Air? Who are you really? That

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Speaker 1: my passage? And we were like, yo, Steve, okay, thank you,

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Speaker 1: and also shout out Marvi's the bus driver who would

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Speaker 1: always drive our sports team. Yeah, what did I say

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Speaker 1: the wrong episode number at the top? Yes, sorry, hey, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's that's on me. It's the group effort. Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: is episode three. They know, they know. Okay, Well, my

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Speaker 1: name is Jack O'Brien. A K. I've been waiting for

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Speaker 1: a shark to come and bite into these thick thighs.

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Speaker 1: I've been waiting for miscan to slap and knock out

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Speaker 1: my lights. I've been waiting for someone to ask me

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Speaker 1: how is my wife? Yeah, waiting for Thanksgiving? It's the

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Speaker 1: Daily's Like, guys. That is courtesy Alex Luki, la former

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Speaker 1: and I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my

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Speaker 1: co host, Mr Miles ground Man. He got forty months

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Speaker 1: in fifteen days, try to take a life away. Oh,

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Speaker 1: subpoenas fly every night and get snubbed the next day.

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Speaker 1: Week sentences from d o j oh. Since they're white man,

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Speaker 1: they can do whatever they want. They can home. Remember

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Speaker 1: they us meet with Julie Yanni in a fancy restaurant.

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Speaker 1: But nothing Yeah, nothing can make that big lie true

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Speaker 1: because we came within a hair, within a hair of

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Speaker 1: a coop. Okay, shout out to Marky Mark Grillius for

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Speaker 1: that very a total Offfitch version of Princes. Yes, Prince

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Speaker 1: not send O'Connor's nothing compares to you. Oh yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: what I had to hit you with. The uh just

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Speaker 1: a little, a little bit look in a panic and

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Speaker 1: it's hard. You know, I'll never do Prince properly. So look,

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Speaker 1: it was a harrowing affair for everyone, not just you

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Speaker 1: the listener. Well, we are thrilled to be joined in

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Speaker 1: our third seat by a comic writer and sex workers

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Speaker 1: rights advocate who hosts the oldest professional podcast. Please welcome,

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Speaker 1: the brilliant, the talent. Take Caitlyn Bailey so much for

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Speaker 1: having me. I'm thrilled to be here. I'm so I

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Speaker 1: don't have a song for air. Well, what's your karaoke song?

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Speaker 1: That's what I do when people ever say that. Oh man,

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Speaker 1: it's probably Miranda Lambert's Gunpowder and Lead. Hell yeah, all right, yeah, hardcore.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if there's a way to improve that,

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Speaker 1: but we will not. I don't. Maybe I'm not. I

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Speaker 1: don't have that personality, right right, Yeah, it's my attention

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Speaker 1: wore buttons have been hit. I'm not. I don't want

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Speaker 1: it that back fully depressed, no need to active. We

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Speaker 1: you're in North Carolina. What's North Carolina? Like? Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: am in Raleigh, North Carolina. We do fall real nice

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Speaker 1: the city of Oaks. It's nice. Oh is that? Oh

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Speaker 1: is that like the nicknames? Yeah, yeah, that's our thing.

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Speaker 1: We dropped at acorn every New Year's you know, like

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Speaker 1: gotta make a trip out there. You should calm. Durham's

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Speaker 1: that's cool. That looks like an old fuckingdoral like tobacco facility.

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Speaker 1: And now that they're selling chot Skys in there, Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: has been like looking at like old cigar factory, you know,

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Speaker 1: apartments in in Durham. It's like the cool place to

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Speaker 1: You know, we have history down here. By the charm

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Speaker 1: it getting cold there too? Uh? I mean, I guess,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think it's all relative. You know, we

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Speaker 1: have all the seasons, right, there's a reason to buy boots,

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Speaker 1: in l a. It's shorts or pants. That's it. By

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Speaker 1: the way, this might be something you notice as we

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Speaker 1: go along, but all research that we do on this

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Speaker 1: show is done in in flight magazines from the early auts. Ye,

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Speaker 1: and it's all They all link off to various departures magazines. Alright, well, Caitlin,

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Speaker 1: the show You because Laura Ingram has brought it to

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Speaker 1: all of that plenty more. But first, Caitlin, we like

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Speaker 1: to ask our guests, what is something from your search history? Oh,

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Speaker 1: the last couple of things I was googling, like Horus,

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Speaker 1: So that's been a journey. Yeah, who's like what you said,

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Speaker 1: So like that association of like actress and sex work

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Speaker 1: Quintonian version of America, Like what what is taken seriously

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Speaker 1: that like starts and centers on Wall Street that I think,

425
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Speaker 1: like if you turn on CNN, MSNBC, you know, any

426
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Speaker 1: any of the like twenty four hour cable news networks

427
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Speaker 1: like that, that idea still rules. They're like you still

428
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: have like these talking heads who are going to be

429
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 1: steeped in that, you know, who think that, like any

430
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 1: serious idea has to like be feasible from a like

431
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 1: corporate VC perspective basically. And so Miles you were pointing

432
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Speaker 1: out that there's this Stephanie rule. There's a Stephanie rule. Character,

433
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Speaker 1: there's a step rule. One of MSNBC is more popular

434
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Speaker 1: anchors who has, you know, made some interesting statements about

435
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Speaker 1: just kind of what's what's really going on with this

436
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 1: US economy we got here? Oh, let me tell you

437
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 1: what's really happening with in place. Let me tell you

438
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 1: what let me tell a dirty little secret about America

439
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,160
Speaker 1: and all this stuff about we don't have enough money.

440
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Speaker 1: So yes, I think again, very important thing to note

441
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Speaker 1: about Stephanie rules. You know, prior to transitioning to the

442
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Speaker 1: news or you know, Bloomberg whatever you wanna call that ship,

443
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 1: she spent you know, like almost like fifteen years, almost

444
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Speaker 1: two decades, you know, work in the world of finance,

445
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 1: you know, starting as an intern at Merrill Lynch than

446
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,400
Speaker 1: doing hedge fund sales at Credit Sweets and Deutsche Bank.

447
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,959
Speaker 1: You know, like full on, just a child of Wall Street,

448
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: of the markets with the worldview that's like, yeah, man,

449
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,199
Speaker 1: you can explain everything with the stock market. And she

450
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: really revealed herself in that worldview over the last couple

451
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Speaker 1: of weeks. It's funny because you know, I think last

452
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,199
Speaker 1: week Jack, I was like, yo, dude, I have to

453
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Speaker 1: play this clip of Stephanie Rule where she's trying to

454
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Speaker 1: explain like where like why the prices are going up?

455
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Speaker 1: And we didn't talk about it because I was just

456
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 1: more outraised and I was just like, you, you need

457
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 1: to hear this thing now. So let's just first hear

458
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: her take on you know, why these dang prices are

459
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Speaker 1: actually going up. We don't have enough people to fill

460
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Speaker 1: our current jobs and this argument they're going to be

461
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Speaker 1: jobs at higher wages. Higher wages are one of the

462
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Speaker 1: contributing factors to inflation. Hello, hello McFly, Thank you that

463
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Speaker 1: somebody she's for to be a dean at Austin University

464
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Speaker 1: or University of Austin. Sorry, because I'm glad somebody's finally

465
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: speaking freely here. Yeah, when people know what's really going on.

466
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I love immediately trying to tinge people's pursuit

467
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Speaker 1: of equitable pay as being the root cause of the

468
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: consumer pain that they're excuien. See, that's the thing you

469
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 1: guys got because this is how we pit people against

470
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Speaker 1: each other. Again, those prices going up, it's because those

471
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Speaker 1: people at John Deere want a fair shake at the

472
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Speaker 1: wages that they're being paid or not paid. It's not

473
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 1: because of the CEO s were not willing to budge

474
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Speaker 1: on whatever fucking earnings reports they need to show stockholders

475
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: and things like that. That's not what it is. It's

476
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: these people whining about more work. You're like, oh cool.

477
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 1: That one kind of flew under the radar, and then

478
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 1: she then on Monday decided to really just like, oh okay,

479
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Speaker 1: they're they're working with the first album. All right, here

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Speaker 1: comes the Here comes the follow up. It called the

481
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Speaker 1: Me Tell You the Dirty Little Secret about What's happening

482
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: with America Because if you really need to know what's

483
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 1: going on, here's again. I'll just play it for you

484
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: and we'll we'll talk through what her assumptions are about

485
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Speaker 1: Americans on the other side and the dirty little secret here, Willie, Well,

486
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 1: nobody likes to pay more on average, we have the

487
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Speaker 1: money to do. So house hit a record high over

488
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Speaker 1: the pandemic. We didn't really have anywhere to go out

489
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Speaker 1: and spend. And as we said a moment ago, we're

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Speaker 1: expecting retail sales this holiday season to break records. For

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Speaker 1: those who own their homes. The value of our homes

492
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Speaker 1: are up. And while the stock market isn't the economy,

493
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: you got over half of American households with some investment

494
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Speaker 1: in the markets, and the markets have hit record highs.

495
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Speaker 1: So we need to put all of this in perspective.

496
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: This time last year when you and I were talking, Willie,

497
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: nobody had a vaccine. Now two hundred million anyway, So guys,

498
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Speaker 1: I'm sure, like everyone, you saved so much fucking money

499
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Speaker 1: during the pandemic that you don't know what to fucking

500
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Speaker 1: buy right now. I mean, that's my main problem right

501
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: now is I'm just overwhelmed with too much money and

502
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,719
Speaker 1: too many buying options. And that is what's hurting the economist.

503
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: You know, you got stock markets. Every every millennial owns

504
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: a home. What you winding up loser? She suffers from

505
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: the disease of like my friends are fine, so yeah exactly,

506
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: and also you know that what's that whole thing of

507
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: like you can only have maybe at most one wrung

508
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: down the social socioeconomic ladder as a friend been Like,

509
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: it doesn't go much further than that, right, Yeah, it's

510
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: each class group is aware of the group immediately below

511
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: them and immediately above them, and then everything else. They

512
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: even if they like hear about those people they like,

513
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: can't even like think of them as actually existing and there.

514
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, well yeah, it's awkward to have relationships past

515
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Speaker 1: that because all of your advice is don't right. It's

516
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: like all of the advice that rich people have is

517
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: like have you considered spending money on a solution? And

518
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 1: it's like that you know, like it doesn't you know

519
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: the hard way to keep friends? To pay my student loans,

520
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I'm I'm facing crippling debt from my student

521
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Speaker 1: loans and I'm unable to pay for something. It's really important.

522
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: It's important for you to pray wordize, Yeah, talk to

523
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Speaker 1: any stripping Wall Street guys. Is kink is Man's playing,

524
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: So like, none of this, none of this is a

525
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: shock to me. But it's like no, no no, no, this

526
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: spreadsheet makes it all makes sense. You up. Yeah, But

527
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: then after this, you know, the outrage was after this clip,

528
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: like even like market Watches, like Stephanie Rule kind of

529
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: got burned by the pores for saying this stuff outloud

530
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Speaker 1: on TV. And she then, like I think the next

531
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Speaker 1: day was like on a different segment, sort of was

532
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Speaker 1: able to articulates like and I get that there's you know,

533
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: there's two America's here. There's actually seven thousand America's, but

534
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: there's two Americas. There's me and my rich friends. And

535
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: then like the people who like are like my babysitters

536
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 1: who like Also, I've given them health insurance because I'm

537
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: a good boss. But she's going to say, like, I

538
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: get it, there are some people who are struggling to

539
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: pay and those things. And he's like, and then she says,

540
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, but at the end of the day, I mean,

541
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: the prices are the same if you've got to get

542
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: shoes or milk, you know what I mean. Like, it's

543
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: not like there's like a other place you can actually

544
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: upscale to infinity on shoes. That's a yeah, snap fact,

545
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: it's Snapple fact. Yeah, And it really is a nightmare

546
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: of of perspective. And like, I'll tell you that sex

547
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: workers have been really struggling during the pandemic, not just

548
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 1: because of the nature of our work, but because of

549
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: you know, this is when a lot of banking ordinances happened, right,

550
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: This is when port hubs stopped taking master Card. This

551
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: is when we had the destabilizing like only fans conversation, Right,

552
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: this is we're living in the wake of Sesta Fosta,

553
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: which erased the places that sex worker he used to

554
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: schedule and screen their clients, right, like back Page and

555
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: rent Boy, and like remember Craigslist rotic services. Remember how

556
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: much fun Craigslist rotic services was, Like you could just

557
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: pull up people's crazy fantasies or whatever, like I'm looking

558
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: for something, right, Like yeah, and that was taken away

559
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: all in the name of I don't know, rescuing women

560
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: from money and orgasms, which has been like the real

561
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: thing that we've been waging war on for hundreds of years. Right.

562
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: We don't fight terrorism, we don't fight violence, and we

563
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: certainly don't fight poverty, but we're willing to wage a

564
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: war on female orgasms and people making money. Right. The

565
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: trend of like closing all those things down, Like, is

566
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: that related to the pandemic? Liked it was it somehow,

567
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: like you know, causally connected or is it just like

568
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: those two things kind of happened. The impact for people

569
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: living through that, right, Like the impact of losing your

570
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: ability to make money online was compounded by the pandemics,

571
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: right because like everyone, but I don't you know, I

572
00:32:55,840 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: would say that like historically speaking, pulling way back times

573
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: of plague, right, are not great for sex workers, right,

574
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: So like you increase fear, right, you increase reaction, you

575
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: increase a kind of mothering, right, But we really didn't

576
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: see that with this crisis as much as we did

577
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: like with the with the AIDS crisis. So I would

578
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: say it's hard to say, Like I think that we

579
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: we were looking at an increase of sort of like trafficking,

580
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: hysteria and policing prostitution before the pandemic, and that trend

581
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: is continued into it. And you know, we have the

582
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: que stuff with where suddenly all these people are concerned

583
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: about you know, sex trafficking and predominant, which is bananas

584
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: because it's definitely happening in their church. But like they're

585
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: not willing to have that conversation, right, you want to

586
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: talk about like rampant sexual abuse, incest, you know, really

587
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: like gross ship. Yeah, close knit cults are really where

588
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: that's happening, right, yeah, yeah, look no further Damn. That's

589
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: really interesting though about like that historical trend and because yeah,

590
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: I heard you said that earlier and I was like, wait,

591
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: that makes a ton of sense for right now. It

592
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: seems like we're having that, right. It's like, you know,

593
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,399
Speaker 1: we we lived through this, you know, the progressive era

594
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 1: was a period of time. Like I think that there's

595
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: a lot to learn from looking back, right of like,

596
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,439
Speaker 1: you know, technology changes, but people really don't. So we've

597
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: been having the same conversations the whole time, right there.

598
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 1: There was even a conversation in comedy right in the

599
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: like eight ninety when they were like blackface is racist,

600
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: and like there were all these comics that were like,

601
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,399
Speaker 1: there's this censorship and your and your Jacken can't make

602
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: any kinds of jokes anymore, and so like you know,

603
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: really it's you look for it, you'll find it. Sure.

604
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: All right, Well, well let's talk about the University of

605
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: Austin because I know I have my application out and

606
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 1: I'm just waiting to hear back. But Stephen Pinker and

607
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 1: Robert J. Zimmer, who are like famous intellectuals in the

608
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: world of you know, IVY leading academia, they were on

609
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: like the board. They were basically like founding members. That's

610
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: how it was presented in the press release, and they

611
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: immediately upon the release of that press release resigned stepped

612
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Speaker 1: down from their roles. They were just basically I think

613
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Speaker 1: they thought they were like co signing the idea or

614
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: like doing a favor to a friend, and like co signing.

615
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 1: They did not know that they were going to be

616
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Speaker 1: like in the headlines co signing this statement, which was

617
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: also like very much like real universities don't want you

618
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,720
Speaker 1: to know the truth, and like they wanna write they're like, well,

619
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: as as my position as a dean, I would say,

620
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: we do want them to know exactly. So these are

621
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Speaker 1: both people who are who, yeah, they're not going to

622
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: co signe a thing. That's like other universities suck. They

623
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 1: get all their money from like Harvard and Chicago University.

624
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 1: So but it's just funny how much I don't know

625
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:15,919
Speaker 1: they like any sort of attempt at intellectual rigor by

626
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: somebody on the right is just a house of cards

627
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 1: that immediately like collapses in on itself. Yeah. No, there's

628
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: a lot going on, right you know. It's like, on

629
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: the one hand, I understand the rights contempt for like

630
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 1: it's not accredited. You didn't get the magic paper with

631
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: the magic words and the right order or whatever. And

632
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 1: on the other hand, it's like, well, yeah, if it's not,

633
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: like do these folks not know that you can just

634
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Speaker 1: read like you don't need to pay, like this is

635
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Speaker 1: join a book club. That's what you're actually looking for

636
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: as a book club. A non accredited university with a

637
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: bad press strategy. Don't promises in your pitch to rich

638
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 1: famous people that you you don't live up to. That's

639
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 1: a yeah, that's a great way to lose your fund

640
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 1: day rights to be just a total comedy of errors

641
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 1: because right now or at the like, signatories to it

642
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: being like oh wait what I signed? Oh yeah, no,

643
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: that's that actually is this is actually conflicts a lot

644
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: with what might No, sorry, it's actually something I wouldn't

645
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,399
Speaker 1: actually say out loud that I believe. So now wait

646
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: till they get to the accreditation phase, Like what like

647
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: I mean that's I mean that feels like the big

648
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 1: question mark, like, yeah, we'll get to that, right. I

649
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: think if they get to the accreditation phase, that's a win, right,

650
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: Like I don't think we're confident that this is going

651
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: to open. Sure, well then it's like, okay, so are

652
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: you ready for the title nine discussions based on all

653
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,879
Speaker 1: of this, because that's part of becoming accredited. And since

654
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: you're so anti woke, I'm sure please tell us what

655
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 1: you think about sex discrimination? Please? Is Liberty University accredited?

656
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: Because I do feel like they can that's a win

657
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 1: that they could get if they were like actually serious

658
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: about it. Like there are plenty of just completely fucked

659
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 1: unit cities, right, I mean there are a lot of

660
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: them that are accredited. I remember, like Bob Jones University

661
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: was not accredited and still managed to place people in

662
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 1: like law school and medical school. And yeah, it is

663
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: regionally accredited. Hell yeah, dog, there you go. Don't need

664
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: to be nationally accredited when the Southern Association of Colleges

665
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: and Schools as you're back. But anyways, yeah, it does

666
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: feel like it is more of a press release with

667
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: an Airbnb than an actual university. And yeah, just an

668
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 1: attempt to like trigger the lips. I. I think you're right,

669
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 1: and we were right. It's like, I feel like I

670
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: hated every conversation that happened around this. They're like their

671
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: school is wrong. It's like, let them open their book

672
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: club in Austin. Who cares? Like, it's not like going

673
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: to suddenly replace like actual institutions where people like, no, Mom,

674
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: I forget Berkeley, I'm going to Austin. Now. Sure, I mean,

675
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's there's people who would who would be

676
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, like, re revamping the way we do

677
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: education is not a bad idea. I mean they also

678
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: bring up, you know, like they could have a more

679
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: lit promotional video than just like flashing all these names

680
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: in black and white, like show the parties how fucking

681
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: sick it would be to go to the universe Austin

682
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 1: University or whatever. It's like, dude, we have pimps and

683
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 1: hose parties and we don't care because we don't think

684
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: that's problematic. Number one. Yeah, we throw the racist kind

685
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 1: of Halloween parties. Thank god, dude. We do gangster gangster

686
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: Night and it's all good. You know what I mean,

687
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:42,720
Speaker 1: bring your forties and we get it. We're selling Yeah,

688
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: exactly like and we have a black we have black faculty.

689
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: So it's all good baby, right, I think yeah, because

690
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: Candice o Ones is teaching there too, right, good, No,

691
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,439
Speaker 1: all right, let's take a quick break. We'll come right back,

692
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:11,240
Speaker 1: and we're back, and uh, let's let's check in with

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Speaker 1: Laura Ingram. She's got some hot takes on you. I

694
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: mean hot take or just the funk don't Okay? So you,

695
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: the show You has come up a few times now. Yesterday,

696
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 1: Chris was talking about it. A few weeks ago, someone

697
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 1: was talking about you on the show on Netflix. And

698
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 1: there's just there are these moments you get sometimes where

699
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,959
Speaker 1: you get these like genuine comedic moments that are born

700
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: out of like just unintentional like conversations, misunderstandings. And somehow

701
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: Laura Ingram man pick up your Abbot and Costello Award

702
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 1: because she had another talking head, this guy Raymond Arroyo,

703
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: on to just fucking cry about like woke storylines on

704
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 1: TV shows and again how like woke ideology. It's like

705
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: everywhere you turn, it's like seeing racism is bad. Um,

706
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: so this is now their their segment where they go,

707
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 1: oh man, this this is complained about something and I'm

708
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: just gonna play this in its entirety, because again, I

709
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: want to let you know that Raymond or Royo is

710
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: trying to bring up a storyline on the Netflix series

711
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 1: You two dote to the politics and all those woke

712
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: storylines and so many shows today. You know, I was

713
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 1: watching an episode of You where measles came up. Wait

714
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: wait wait when did I mention measles? I don't know.

715
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: It was on you? What? What? What? What was on me?

716
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? Right? I never what's on you?

717
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: We never did. We never did a measles and vaccine

718
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,839
Speaker 1: episode of my Is this a joke? It was on you?

719
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 1: It was on you, Raymond, I've never had measles. It

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00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:02,760
Speaker 1: was an episode of a show, Laura. What's it called

721
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: you again? It's ham fisted. But no, they wrote that

722
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: that was that was that was intentional. Oh no, Jack,

723
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: don't take this from me. I think so, guys, we're

724
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: just falling here, like no, yeah, I know it's his

725
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: because you could tell the delivery of well of you.

726
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: I think, not just being like there's a Netflix show

727
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: called you, Laura, like what? Yeah? Sometimes people forget that

728
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,720
Speaker 1: their brainds work on TV. You know, I got it,

729
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,399
Speaker 1: but like, yeah, that's maybe maybe maybe that's just how

730
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 1: how they are. But that was upsetting. That was yeah, no,

731
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 1: it was frustrating to watch me. I don't I didn't

732
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: have the measles. That's not I'm just I'm impressed with

733
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,959
Speaker 1: Laura Ingram's confidence, right, Like, you know, I have way

734
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: a fewer episodes of my show, and I'm not confident

735
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: we haven't covered measles, you know what I mean. She

736
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: was really ready to double down that Never in the

737
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 1: history of the Laura Ingram Show has measles ever come up.

738
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: Never because we don't believe in measles. Of course, it's

739
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: the yeah, the left wing conspiracy to get us to

740
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: you know, to make our children less smart. But yeah,

741
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: all that to say, I don't know if the people

742
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: from Greg gutt Felt wrote that, but I wanted so

743
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: badly for that to be real. But you know, I

744
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: guess that's It's the holiday season, so it's all about

745
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,399
Speaker 1: wishes at the moment. For me, it's just another piece

746
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: of evidence that Fox News is getting into comedy and

747
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 1: liberals are worried, which is the headline I think I've

748
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: been reading for the last twenty years. Yeah, well, I

749
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: mean here, I mean maybe you know they can they

750
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 1: can take Chappelle Chappelle. Now, yeah, that's true. We might

751
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: be interesting. Could you imagine he goes there, He's like,

752
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to use this the Chapelle Show, but for

753
00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 1: the right wing, Like oh, I mean yeah, I mean

754
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna pretend that, you know, comedy clubs haven't been

755
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: owned by conservatives, like since the before the beginning. Yeah,

756
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: like their clubhouses. But I guess that's the thing, is

757
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: like the when are they They'll never be able to

758
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 1: break through in that point where they're like God, the

759
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: limbs always get the good TV shows, like where's our jankass?

760
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 1: I guess it will happen for one season. Then people

761
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 1: are like, funk this. I mean you're raising your eyebrows,

762
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 1: like you really want to say something. What do you want?

763
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 1: You know? I just I want to say that, Like,

764
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: on a political level, it's really hard to combat a

765
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: simple story with a more complex one. But art being

766
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: able to tell complex stories wins. So like, I think

767
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: our art is better because our capacity to hold multiple

768
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: truths is bigger than the sort of like black and white,

769
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: thinking of like victim villain narratives that like drives so

770
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: much of stuff, like there are only two genders. Right,

771
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: you broke the law, that's we can put you in

772
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: a cage. Now that's the that's right. See isn't that funny?

773
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 1: All right? Well, but I could us headed back towards there.

774
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: There are these signs that we're headed back towards like

775
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 1: the eighties again, where the eighties weren't like totally taken

776
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: over by conservatives, but conservatives satanic panic. We've got the

777
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: satanic panic. We've got inflation being like a huge like

778
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: scare tactic that's coming up in the media and being

779
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: blamed on the left, and just like generally like then,

780
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: and I could see a world where, you know, Alex P.

781
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: Keaton makes another like appearance where we start having like

782
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: conservative like icons and movies that are like Rambo too,

783
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: where he just goes back and like wins the Vietnam

784
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 1: War like single handedly, like it's tacitly conservative, but not

785
00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: like overtly Yeah, no, I think you're right. I'm this

786
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: is actually a conversation that I have with my husband

787
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,240
Speaker 1: of like I fear that you know, if we have children,

788
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,879
Speaker 1: they will be they will not enjoy the same freedoms

789
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 1: that we had. Yeah, in terms of like how to live,

790
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 1: how to live their life, right, I see like the

791
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 1: bloods in the water in terms of like conflating right,

792
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: queer culture sex workers right with violent exploitative perverts. Right,

793
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: Like we're not going to stop the priests. We're not

794
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 1: going to stop the football coaches, right, We're not going

795
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 1: to stop the abuse of dads. But we can shut

796
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: down bath houses, right, we can shut down poorn sets, right,

797
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:37,280
Speaker 1: we can shut down you know, illicit sex that's happening.

798
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: And so like that conflation is old and we know

799
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: where it leads, and yet here we are. Yeah, I

800
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 1: mean that kind of ties into the next story about

801
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 1: the New York City subways. But this is something I

802
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 1: think we're seeing happen on social media too, where anything

803
00:46:56,239 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: that has to do with women's pleasure is being police.

804
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: In this case, it is the products from Dame Yeah,

805
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: which is a sexy did what every company does? You

806
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,879
Speaker 1: buy ads, You put it on the subway and you say, yeah,

807
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: I mean this will drive traffic to our business. And

808
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: when you look around, you're like, yeah, it doesn't seem

809
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: like there's any issue here. But it turns out the

810
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 1: Metropolitan Transit authority may have violated their sacred oath to

811
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: keep the subway system just completely free from offensive imagery

812
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 1: and bastion for like you were saying, and just puritanical

813
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: values and purity and innocence. Because they they almost let

814
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: this company Dame run their ads, and so when they

815
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: looked at it, they said, hmmm, like you're you're offering

816
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 1: some toys even though they look nothing like you. I mean, like,

817
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: what are we talking about? Like is there is there

818
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: pink skin? Like is labia featured in these ads? There's

819
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: just like a photo of a toy that you could

820
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: deduce would create because everything is like it has to

821
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 1: be like nine steps even harder for like because if

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00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 1: it's dick pills, it'll be like, hey man, you want

823
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: your cock to blow through this subway doors? You know what,

824
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 1: we're both the National Monument. Let's not pretend. Yeah, right exactly,

825
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: no nuance really there or like even for stuff like

826
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: you know, they're pointing at things like you you're running

827
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 1: ads for enhancement pills for e D from breast augmentation

828
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: for the Museum of Sex, like right, like viagraas covered

829
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 1: by insurance, but you know, abortions aren't right, and then

830
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 1: know that we're showing like vague images because also like

831
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 1: their toys don't look like, you know, they're not so

832
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: phallic that someone's gonna be like, oh my god. Really,

833
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 1: they're just like, oh, this is all very minimal. I mean,

834
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:38,919
Speaker 1: I've been to the I've been to the av Ens,

835
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 1: and I've definitely seen some toys where I'm like, you know,

836
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: you should you shouldn't. That's a that's private, you know.

837
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: So I totally get that. But I think that you're right,

838
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 1: we have a visceral repulsion, right, And I think that

839
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:56,399
Speaker 1: we're equating sexual imagery with violence and it's it's bananas, right,

840
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,760
Speaker 1: And so like we are pretending that we are cracking

841
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 1: down down on people hurting people, right, but we are

842
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 1: trying to erase erotic expression from the public sphere, right,

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Speaker 1: And like we've done this before, right, you know the

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Speaker 1: reason you know the I hate to go back in history,

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Speaker 1: but it's like literally all I do. So like Anthony

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Speaker 1: Comstock in the eighteen sixties and seventies equated information about

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Speaker 1: women's bodies with pornography and use that to singlehandedly delay

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Speaker 1: the birth control movement in this country four decades right

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Speaker 1: by saying this is porn. Right. He tried to criminalize

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Speaker 1: dancing in bars and was largely successful. So like, we

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Speaker 1: we have done this before, and pretending that toys or

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Speaker 1: sassy stories or erotic energy is destructive. I think it's

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Speaker 1: like one of those big foundational lives we just have

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Speaker 1: to get over to move forward. Yeah, And this is

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Speaker 1: the thing, like sort of in their lawsuit, they're like,

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Speaker 1: this is absurd that you're going to say that it's

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Speaker 1: violating like these you don't do anything sexually oriented businesses,

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Speaker 1: It's like but and then in their lawsuit they pointed

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Speaker 1: out that this is like it's unconstitutional. They're infringing on

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Speaker 1: their like their freedom of speech rights, and also saying

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Speaker 1: that like if you're talking about suggestive and explicit ads,

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Speaker 1: like I said, like just look around at what you

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Speaker 1: have cooking in the subwayarity there are sell beer. Are

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Speaker 1: you guys nuts? This is yeah, right, And so all

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Speaker 1: that came to just sort of ahead and they said

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Speaker 1: and as the CEO of Dames said that the m

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Speaker 1: t A was quote disproportionately applying their anti sexually oriented

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Speaker 1: business clause to women's pleasure advertisement, the m d A

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Speaker 1: ended up settling and now with some revamped ads that

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Speaker 1: are very just like innocuous, they're just those will be

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Speaker 1: now running in the subway from November to January. But

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Speaker 1: even then, like you know, it's it's these ads are

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Speaker 1: very tame considering what you would see in modern advertising

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Speaker 1: in general. But yeah, all that to say is it

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Speaker 1: took them to be sued for them to find it like,

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Speaker 1: all right, we'll settle, which doesn't feel like a will

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Speaker 1: win like at all. They settled and that's now I

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Speaker 1: think even had the CEO saying like ideally we would

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Speaker 1: have actually just won this case out right, but we'll

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Speaker 1: take it. No, I mean, it's it is frustrating that

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Speaker 1: this is a fight we we keep having to to

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Speaker 1: push right and when you know, when I say it's

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Speaker 1: all connected, you know, like you can draw a direct

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Speaker 1: parallel between that kind of uh, you know, the the

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Speaker 1: censorious application of the law in New York right to

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Speaker 1: the federal government leaving out businesses that you know, promoted

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Speaker 1: salacious material rights, the lakeship clubs, horn you know, producers

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Speaker 1: not to mention if, of course, criminalized sex workers who

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Speaker 1: couldn't get any benefits during COVID, right who were ineligible

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Speaker 1: for Um, you know the public safety net that we

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Speaker 1: created in the wake of this this crisis and what

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00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 1: just happened in Texas, right, So, like, yes, the the

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Speaker 1: six week abortion law, right, or the abortion ban is

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00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 1: is a part of that. But something that was not

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Speaker 1: overturned was they criminalized hiring anyone under the age of

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Speaker 1: twenty one to work at any sexually oriented business. Right,

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Speaker 1: So that's every eighteen, nineteen and twenty year old stripper,

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Speaker 1: But it's also every eighteen nineteen or twenty year old

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Speaker 1: working behind the counter at a sex dore. Right. So

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Speaker 1: they they fired, right, they terminated the positions of all

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Speaker 1: of these young people overnight in the name of protecting

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Speaker 1: them from themselves and their proximity to sexuality. Mm hm right, Jesus.

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Speaker 1: It seems like there's something also happening on social media,

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Speaker 1: like this year in particular, there's like a bunch of

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Speaker 1: people in sex working like industries of various sorts who

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00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: are having to like delete their accounts or having their

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Speaker 1: accounts deleted by Twitter, like just starting in ye, shadow

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00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: is a shadow banning is a real thing. There's a

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Speaker 1: lot of incentive now for different platforms to like reduce

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00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: or suppress are all erotic content. Right, So, like, because

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00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:07,280
Speaker 1: we've equated adult consensual prostitution with the horrific crime of trafficking,

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Speaker 1: because we've equated you know, pornography with rape and violence, right,

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Speaker 1: it's easier for these companies to just like ban you know,

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Speaker 1: like hashtag women, as Instagram did in the immediate aftermath

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Speaker 1: of of Sesta Foster, rather than the run the risk

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Speaker 1: right of accidentally having you know, erotic content that that

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Speaker 1: gets flagged, which is crazy to me, right that, Like

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Speaker 1: we're cracking down on porn Hub, cracking down on only fans,

919
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: were cracking down on places that have safety mechanisms that

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Speaker 1: have been created over decades, right if sex workers advocating

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00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: for themselves, and you know, but in the meantime, the

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Speaker 1: biggest purveyor of sucking child sexual exploitative material is Facebook,

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Speaker 1: right at those that's happening in private messages. So we're

924
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 1: pretending to care about one problem, like a real problem,

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Speaker 1: but all of the tools that we use, they're just

926
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Speaker 1: gonna bite us in the ass, right right. Well, Caitlin,

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Speaker 1: it has been such a pleasure having you on the show.

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Speaker 1: We need to have you back absolutely, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: This has been great. Where can people find you and

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Speaker 1: follow you? Well, you should definitely join our mailing list,

931
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: right we send a roundup of sex worker rights related

932
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Speaker 1: news from around the country. You know we're doing where

933
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 1: we can do appearances, where you can catch an old

934
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Speaker 1: pro show, Just go to Old Pros Online dot org

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Speaker 1: um and you can find me across social media at

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Speaker 1: Caitlin Bailey. And you can find my organization, Old Pros

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Speaker 1: at Old Pros Online. Nice. And is there a tweet

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Speaker 1: or some of the work of social media you've been enjoying.

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Speaker 1: I saw a tweet that made me laugh really hard

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Speaker 1: the other day, which is that succession is unrealistic because

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Speaker 1: billionaires can't be funny. True, So true, Miles, Where can

942
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Speaker 1: people find you? And what's the tweet you've been enjoying?

943
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Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles

944
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Speaker 1: of Gray and also the other show for twenty Day

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Speaker 1: Fiance with Sophia Alexandra, who actually connected us with Caitlin.

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Speaker 1: So thank you Sophia for that. Yeah, check us out,

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Speaker 1: check us out there, check that out there. Boom. Now,

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Speaker 1: now is there a tweet you've been enjoying? Yes, there's

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Speaker 1: a couple of tweets that I'm enjoying. Oh man, I

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Speaker 1: forgot to like one of them, but here's one that

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Speaker 1: I like. First. One is from John Gans at Lionel

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Speaker 1: Underscore trolling. Uh said they fucked up the pr for

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Speaker 1: that fake university. You gotta go low key just started.

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Speaker 1: Don't make a big deal out of it, no big manifesto.

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Speaker 1: Then you get a New York Times story in a

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Speaker 1: year that's like at fake university, students learn the old way.

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Speaker 1: That's very right. And then this one is from at

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Speaker 1: Chunk Bardie. Charlie tweeted, please stop posting about your accomplishments

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Speaker 1: unless I have the same ones, Otherwise it can make

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Speaker 1: me feel bad. Seriously, shouldn't even have to say that?

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Speaker 1: Very real, very real. Some tweets have been enjoying Amy

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Speaker 1: at Lowell Anui Ennui tweeted, my dream career is Bodega

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Speaker 1: cat cast City at Heavenly Grandpa tweeted, what fictional character

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Speaker 1: are you most jealous of? For me, it's old Yeller,

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Speaker 1: And Charlie at Chunk Bardie tweeted, my boyfriend is in

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Speaker 1: law school and he's taking contract laws, so I haven't

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Speaker 1: look over contracts for me, but he hasn't got to

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Speaker 1: the part where he learns if a contract is good

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Speaker 1: or not, just whether something is a contract. So I'll

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Speaker 1: just be like, yeah, no, that's a that's a contract.

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Speaker 1: Is there it is? You can find me on Twitter

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Speaker 1: at Jack Underscore Brian. You can find us on Twitter

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Speaker 1: at daily Zy. Guys were at the Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: We have Facebook fan page on a website, Daily zeitgeis

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Speaker 1: dot com, where we post our episodes and our footnoe.

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Speaker 1: We link off to the information that we talked about

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Speaker 1: in today's episode, as well as a song that we

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Speaker 1: think you might enjoy. Miles was song you think we

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Speaker 1: might enjoy you? Oh man, this is a track. This

980
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 1: is an interesting one. If you like Portishead, you're gonna

981
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Speaker 1: like this hip hop group called the Quakers are They're

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Speaker 1: just called Quakers. But I got turned onto Quakers because

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Speaker 1: it's sort of ran by these producers, which one of

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Speaker 1: them is called fuzz Face, who you might know as

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Speaker 1: Jeff Barrow of Portas Had. So I was like, okay,

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Speaker 1: because a lot of the people in Borda said, do

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Speaker 1: a lot of other kinds of music, and this like

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Speaker 1: rap group. I was like, this is kind of dope.

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Speaker 1: So this is a track called Approach with Caution. It's

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Speaker 1: Quakers with Sample a great you know on the mic

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Speaker 1: as well, So it's just it's just a great sample

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Speaker 1: based hip hop track. And just to know that, like

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Speaker 1: you know, some really dope people from the UK are

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Speaker 1: into it, like people who are in Border said, should

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Speaker 1: make it an even easier proposition. So yeah, this is

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Speaker 1: Quakers with Approach with Caution a right. Well. The Daily

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Speaker 1: Ziays is a production of I Heart Radio. For more

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Speaker 1: podcast from my Heart Radio, visit the I Heart Radio app,

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Speaker 1: Apple podcast, or wherever fine podcasts are given away for free.

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Speaker 1: That's gonna do it for us this morning. We're back

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Speaker 1: this afternoon to tell you what's trending. We will touch

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Speaker 1: you out then bye bye