1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:10,399 Speaker 2: Today. On the podcast, guys, I have Kaylin Bell and 4 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 2: Katie Bigger joining me to talk about all the headlines 5 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 2: that have emerged over the past five days since The 6 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 2: Bachelorette was canceled. And I say canceled even though technically 7 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 2: it's possibly on hold because ABC spokespeople have never used 8 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 2: the word canceled. Canceled is a strong word that means 9 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 2: that it would never be able to air anywhere. Katie, Kaylin, 10 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,480 Speaker 2: I'm happy to have you guys here breaking this down 11 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 2: with me. Katie, you did make a comment on a 12 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 2: red carpet a couple of days ago about this. Can 13 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:52,160 Speaker 2: you repeat for the audience your general consensus on the cancelation? 14 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. 15 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 4: What I said on the red carpet was essentially just 16 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 4: me saying that I think that Bachelor just needs to 17 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 4: go back to their roots and find people that genuinely 18 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 4: want to fall in love. And I do understand that 19 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 4: the franchise was kind of going downhill, and I understand 20 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 4: why they chose Taylor Frankie Paul as the Bachelorette for 21 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 4: views because she brings a different element that we haven't 22 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 4: necessarily seen before. But I think what she brings is 23 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 4: like chaos and drama, and I think they kind of 24 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 4: lost sight of the whole like reason why. 25 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 3: They started The Bachelor. I feel like I think they 26 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 3: were just like looking for views more than anything. And 27 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 3: I remember being on the show and they genuinely, like 28 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 3: I genuinely felt like they did want you to fall 29 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 3: in love. They wanted the lead to fall in love 30 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:46,759 Speaker 3: and be with the right person, and they kind of helped 31 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 3: like assist that. But like, I just felt like we've 32 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 3: we've lost a little bit of that. 33 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 2: What I thought we really needed was a stuntcast. I 34 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 2: thought we needed a somewhat celebrity to be in that 35 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 2: role to draw interest from another person's audience and another 36 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 2: just like just like to put more of a spotlight 37 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 2: on the show, just to gauge more interest, because we 38 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 2: had a great time with Joey season and then the 39 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 2: interest fell fell off again and I couldn't think of 40 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 2: anyone that would bring in an audience from you know, 41 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 2: I loved Latia, Would she bring a huge audience? No, 42 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 2: I couldn't think of anybody except for let's actually talk 43 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 2: about this, Rachel Kirconnell. I thought that Rachel Kirconnell could 44 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 2: have actually in a way been a stunt cast. Yeah, 45 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 2: because and she was the other celebrity option that would 46 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:46,679 Speaker 2: have been really good for this role. I wonder how 47 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 2: seriously she was ever considered for it, But it made 48 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 2: a lot of sense. For it made sense for it 49 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 2: to be a Mormon wife and Taylor Frankie Paul being 50 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 2: the most famous of all of them, the leader of 51 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:02,239 Speaker 2: the bunch, and being a Hulu Disney crossover and them 52 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 2: loving doing crossovers between Dancing with the Stars and Bachelor, 53 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 2: and now this, it did make a lot of sense. 54 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 2: I was not really familiar with her. I never watched 55 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 2: Secret Lives until she became the Bachelor, and then I 56 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 2: started watching it in preparation. I still haven't finished. And 57 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 2: up until that point when she was announced as Bachelor, 58 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 2: there only been two seasons. Did either of you watch 59 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 2: Secret Lives leading up to her Bachelorette naming? 60 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:30,399 Speaker 5: Yeah? No, I've been watching the whole thing. 61 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 2: You did, Okay, great, So, Caitlin, when they announced Taylor 62 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 2: Frankie Paul, were you like, oh my gosh, she is 63 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 2: going to be a show because in season I'm watching 64 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 2: season two right now, I'm in the middle of it 65 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 2: and like, I don't know that. I think, oh, she's 66 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 2: gonna be koss, did you No? 67 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 5: I was honestly mad when they cast her because if 68 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 5: we're going to like scent casting and especially Hulu, brooks 69 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 5: Nader is like the perfect joy. I don't think any 70 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 5: of the guys are hot enough for her. But she 71 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 5: also has a Hulu show. She's such good TV. 72 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 2: She was on Dazing with the Stars. 73 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, so I was all for brooks Nader. I 74 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 5: don't know if she was ever in talks, but I 75 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 5: think she would have been great. Taylor Frankie Paul. I 76 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 5: was mad because she has domestic violence charges. We don't 77 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 5: need to give someone a larger platform. But then I'm like, whatever, 78 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 5: this is who the Bachelorette is. Like, I can be mad, 79 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 5: that's not going to change anything. Watching the seasons, she 80 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 5: like goes to rehab. She's she or not rehab but 81 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 5: a recovery center, and she's working on herself, and it 82 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 5: seems like, okay, maybe you know, she like really mellowed 83 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 5: out and chilled out in the seasons, and then we 84 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 5: watched this newest season where she's sleeping with her ex 85 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 5: the night before she leaves to be the bachelorette, and 86 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 5: like all sorts of chaos, she's dating a guy knowing 87 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 5: she was already announced to be the bachelorette. It's like, 88 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 5: these are the things that we as contestants would have 89 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 5: been canceled for and have been canceled for. Yeah, it's 90 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 5: just confusing. 91 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, into that note, like we we get an investigator, like, 92 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 3: we go through an investigation process that looks through our 93 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,359 Speaker 3: background before we get cast it. So it's so interesting 94 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 3: that they casted somebody that openly has these charges. 95 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 2: It seems like in recent memory there's been like a 96 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 2: lot of stalking allegations or arrests, and then there was 97 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 2: Devin who like set his ex's car on fire. I 98 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 2: don't know how those slipped through the cracks, but we 99 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 2: know Taylor Frankie Paul's didn't slip through the cracks, as 100 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 2: she documents it in her ABC Hulu sho and then 101 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 2: she you know, she talks all about it like we 102 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 2: know that that wasn't a slip. That was them showing 103 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 2: like people can change, right. So I guess my overall 104 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 2: arching opinion is that she should have never been cast. 105 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:02,039 Speaker 2: She was too much of a wild card, so she 106 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 2: should have never had cast, and I do think that 107 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 2: they should have not gone forward the season. Those are 108 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 2: my two big takeaways, But then there's a little bit 109 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 2: of nuance when the video came out. The big thing 110 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 2: about the video is that we now see something that 111 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 2: was three years old and sort of eh forgiven for 112 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 2: by the people around her and by the network because 113 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 2: it's all documented. It's a part of her story, so 114 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 2: we don't really but it's like, when you see it, 115 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 2: it changes your opinion. And I said this so many 116 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 2: times on the podcast. It's so much different hearing somebody 117 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 2: recall a situation versus seeing it, especially days before you're 118 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:50,280 Speaker 2: supposed to see her in this like loving environment. What 119 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 2: I had actually wished that ABC had done, and this 120 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:55,919 Speaker 2: is what I would have done if I were the publicist. 121 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 2: Not that I like any sort of smarts in this department, 122 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 2: but this would have made me feel like it was 123 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 2: not just like ABC, like going back on a decision 124 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 2: that they made, but more so talking about something that 125 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 2: may have happened after a decision that they made. This 126 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 2: is what I would have said, we aren't going forward 127 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 2: with the season. Of the bachelorette at this time, as 128 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 2: there's an ongoing police investigation pertaining to Taylor Frankie Paul. 129 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 2: The incident was reported to police in February, because to me, 130 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 2: it is the February incident that is probably why she 131 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 2: should further have not been the bachelorette. 132 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 3: They've already accepted the fact that she has a domestic. 133 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 2: Already accepted that. So as hard as it is to 134 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 2: see the video, we've already supposedly accepted this. What we 135 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 2: have not all collectively accepted, and we should never It's never. 136 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 2: When I say accept, I don't mean condone what's in 137 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 2: the video. Like, of course, of course she's terrible in 138 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 2: the video. We will never condone domestic violence. But you 139 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 2: can recover from that kind of behavior, and you can 140 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 2: be forgiven for that kind of behavior. But when you 141 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 2: do it again, possibly in the constraints of your ABC contract, 142 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 2: which seems like may have happened in February, when the 143 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 2: when the Secret Lives Girls halted filming because they no 144 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 2: no longer felt comfortable filming with her, that was the 145 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 2: incident that should have really stopped this from going forward. 146 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:38,079 Speaker 5: Well, that's my question is were they going to stop 147 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:42,559 Speaker 5: the season because of these new charges and allegations or 148 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 5: was it only stopped because we saw the video, because 149 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:46,959 Speaker 5: it kind of feels like it only stopped because the 150 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 5: video came out. 151 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 3: I think it was the video. 152 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:53,439 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, And it's been it's terrific. Like I remember 153 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 5: reading the police report in twenty twenty three and I 154 00:08:55,480 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 5: was like, this is disgusting, horrible, and seeing the video 155 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 5: somehow is so much worse than the police report. And 156 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 5: I'm happy that they canceled the season because we don't 157 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 5: need to give a platform to two people, because not 158 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 5: only is it Taylor Franky Paul, it's also Dakota. Dakota's 159 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 5: going to find a way to like play off of 160 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 5: this in some way and he already has, and like, 161 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 5: both of these people need to get offline, like the 162 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 5: fact that Taylor Frankie Paul is watching videos of herself 163 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 5: and commenting they need to be offline. They need to 164 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,079 Speaker 5: be like with their children. It's crazy. 165 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 3: I think probably back in twenty twenty three, she did 166 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:36,439 Speaker 3: take accountability, which people I think saw that as a positive. 167 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 3: So they're like, Okay, she's taking account nobility for what 168 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 3: she did. And I'm not a huge. I don't watch 169 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 3: this show really ever. Exact when I started watching it, 170 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 3: like the first two episodes and I got a headache 171 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 3: and I was like, turn this off. 172 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't understand the appeal at all until I 173 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 2: meet in the middle of season two. I'm getting it. 174 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 2: I am sorry to understand. But that's a lot of 175 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 2: ill lot of investment into something that you don't get. 176 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 2: But that was for the show. 177 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:00,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think there's also like two opposing views, 178 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 3: Like people don't want to like side with one person 179 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 3: because there's no evidence. Now there's evidence that clearly shows 180 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 3: what she was doing, and it is absolutely so inexcusable that 181 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 3: like you can't look past that whatsoever. So I think 182 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 3: that's why. 183 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 2: Exactly now the February thing for us, where our job 184 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 2: is to talk about what's going on, all of these 185 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 2: reports were coming out that the girls had shut down filming, 186 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 2: that they were feeling uncomfortable, that they were saying that 187 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 2: Taylor needs help, that there was the police were called 188 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 2: in February before her show is supposed to air, And 189 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 2: we're like, if these girls that have like known her 190 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 2: for years are saying that they feel uncomfortable being like 191 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 2: basically associated with her and that she needs to go 192 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 2: and get professional help, Like why are we not addressing this? 193 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 2: So like all last week before the video came out, 194 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 2: We're like, why are we having this sit down about 195 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 2: what went on in February? And all that was weird 196 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 2: and it was like they were trying and trying and 197 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 2: trying to just push through that. And I feel like 198 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 2: they really thought that they could get through it without 199 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 2: addressing it directly, because even when she sat down with 200 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,199 Speaker 2: Laura Spencer, it was like not it was so vague 201 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 2: and so strange. And then we and then the video 202 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 2: came out. It was like Dakota. I mean, I'm assuming 203 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 2: it was Dakota was like, oh the rumors of February 204 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 2: aren't aren't working enough? Just going to drop the video? Now, 205 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 2: what do you guys think? Do you think it was Dakota? 206 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 5: I don't know who else it would be. I don't know, 207 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 5: but but here, Okay, So this I have been, you know, 208 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 5: thinking about this a ton. I think Dakota was so 209 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 5: angry about her being the bachelorette, Like I think he 210 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 5: was very spiteful. I think that he probably sent this 211 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 5: in and you know, this is just my theory I 212 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 5: think he probably sent this to producers or someone when 213 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:06,599 Speaker 5: she was announced, Like, I think he's been trying to 214 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 5: stop this, so potentially, I don't know. You know, this 215 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 5: is all speculation, but maybe he this is a fast resort. 216 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:15,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, all speculation, all rumors and all at the top 217 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 2: of her head. 218 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 5: Yes, but we know that Dakota is just he's like 219 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,719 Speaker 5: anti Taylor. He doesn't want her to be happy. So 220 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 5: I have a feeling that like this video has been seen, 221 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 5: but I don't know. 222 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 3: M h, I do you agree with that? Yeah, it's 223 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 3: all very interesting, but then interesting like come out and 224 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:40,079 Speaker 3: say that he didn't do that, like him and I 225 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 3: don't know this other. 226 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 5: Par and his best friend allegedly yeah. 227 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:45,839 Speaker 3: Said like, oh, it's not us, we didn't do that video. 228 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, my producer is texting me that it could 229 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 2: have been the courthouse. The video isn't sealed by the 230 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 2: court because that video was submitted as evidence. But at 231 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 2: the same time, it could also not be the court 232 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 2: and it could have been Dakota. Another thing, as far 233 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 2: as we should we should mention about her changing her 234 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,559 Speaker 2: ways since that initial video. She did stop drinking after 235 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 2: that situation, and you know that was like obviously a 236 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 2: wake up call for her. So I don't know, guys, 237 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 2: it's just a very icky situation. The show should have 238 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 2: been not aired. I totally understand. I am with that. 239 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 2: There are people out there that are like, we should 240 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 2: have made We should be able to make our own 241 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 2: decisions on whether or not to choose to watch it, 242 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 2: So they should put it up on Hulu. I think 243 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 2: they took it off ABC. I think they knew that 244 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 2: they're all the advertisers were going to leave, not want 245 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 2: to be associated with her. And I also think that 246 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 2: for their own just like the looks of it, they 247 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 2: pulled it. What do you guys think about that? 248 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 5: But those comments make me mad, Like the people saying 249 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 5: I want the choice. There are so many avenues of entertainment. 250 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 5: We don't need to watch this. We don't need to perpetuate, 251 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 5: Like we just don't need to have tailor Frinky Paul 252 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 5: on her screens, like she has proven to us time 253 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 5: and time again that she's problematic, Like we don't need 254 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 5: to be giving her more of a platform. 255 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 2: Another thing that we went through, because you were talking 256 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 2: about our our arrest backgrounds, you know, like our background checks, 257 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 2: we also went through mental health checks. Some people say 258 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 2: that they let people through that are crazy. I mean 259 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 2: there's rumors of that where it's like, oh, yeah, this 260 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 2: person didn't exactly fly through with flying colors. So if 261 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 2: you'd like to have them as your wild card this season, 262 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 2: here you go. But if we're using it in the 263 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 2: way that we believe, you know, it's supposed to be used, 264 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 2: which is like they can only allow people with healthy 265 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 2: mental clarity, Oh look at that. Okay, sorry, guys. My 266 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 2: producer sends me tidbits throughout the show, and this is interesting, 267 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 2: she says. The final the network always gets final decision 268 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 2: on those. The psychologist recommends whether the person is fit 269 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 2: or not to be on air. Super interesting. So I wonder, 270 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 2: obviously in this case, how thorough was that back was 271 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 2: that mental health check? And did they even care? 272 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 3: They fully knew what they were getting themselves into period, 273 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 3: Like whether they're with a check or not. They're the 274 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 3: whole TV show showing her personality and wish is capable 275 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 3: of there's news articles, everything, even before the whole they 276 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 3: fully what was happening. 277 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 2: All right, So there are complex nuance opinions on the matter. 278 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 2: We now are going to move over to headlines, but 279 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 2: I want to make that a separate episode, so hang 280 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 2: tight for that one. 281 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: Follow the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast on 282 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.