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Speaker 3: You got a little hemp project going on, making yourself

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Speaker 3: a little necklace?

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Speaker 2: I do. I'll explain it is the machine on Phil

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Speaker 2: it's on. Is it aiming at me? It's aiming right

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Speaker 2: your front and center right now. Yeah, Cal was asking

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Speaker 2: about this hemp project. This I think. I feel like

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Speaker 2: this is one hundred years old. So this is the

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Speaker 2: poll mechanism on the punk gun. And it had been

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Speaker 2: pulled so many times that there was three strands over

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Speaker 2: the islet and they had all failed. So I'm unwrapping

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Speaker 2: this serving. I'm gonna put a new loop in there

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Speaker 2: and it's like a little piece of copper pipe.

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Speaker 3: Very cool. When are you guys gonna touch that thing off.

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Speaker 2: Well, we were going to touch it off the idea,

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Speaker 2: but the weather was just too bad. So I don't

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Speaker 2: know when we're going to touch it off. It's just

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Speaker 2: not like hanging out outside shooting a punk gun weather right.

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Speaker 3: Now, like negative eight.

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Speaker 2: Snow blowing everywhere. Yeah, it just wouldn't be any fun.

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Speaker 3: It was one of my last pheasant hunts of the year.

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Speaker 3: But i'd set a road tracks Montana that I had

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Speaker 2: And you put your tongue on that track, well.

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Speaker 3: It was like, was it ives? Who the real Christmas?

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Speaker 3: He scenes? But this trains caierl lives. Yeah, but the

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Speaker 3: and before the train even touched it, you know, it

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Speaker 3: But that afternoon. I was like, oh, that's amazing.

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Speaker 2: My kids had been riding. They finally got in trouble

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Speaker 2: Like the o reason you're on that loop is if

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Speaker 2: kids have taken the Like first it was like, we're

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Speaker 2: just gonna ride the snowbill around the loop real quick,

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Speaker 2: and we were kind of laughing about when someone when

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Speaker 2: and sure enough they get flagged down by a couple

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Speaker 2: To me, you know, no one has but uh, he

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Speaker 2: but no, it's like a traditionally friendly neighbor like someone.

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Speaker 2: Don't have any to do with them. You got people

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Speaker 3: Well, guys, people just work snowmobiles. Though. There's a tolerance level, right,

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Speaker 3: Like the noise is is Yeah, it's.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. People that are like, oh, I'm gonna.

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Speaker 3: Enforce the rules. I love the rules.

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Speaker 2: And they're not like that. They very slow. It's more

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Speaker 2: They got loops all over the place, and all the

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Speaker 2: I was like, who could complain because everyone's kids rides

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Speaker 4: Occupied, that's what you should have said.

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Speaker 3: Did you offer them a ride when they stopped.

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Speaker 2: My wife had a really funny idea to She thought

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Speaker 2: It's so funny. Uh, we do a thing. How often

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Speaker 2: do we do this? We do a thing every year. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: we do a thing every year. We do the State

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Speaker 2: they trademarked State of the Union. I don't think the

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Speaker 2: the federal level with the CEO of TRCP, and historically

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Speaker 2: a number of times we've had on the former CEO

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Speaker 2: with Fosburg. But today we're premiering the new CEO of TRCP,

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Speaker 2: Joel Peterson, and we're gonna run through a State of

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Speaker 2: the Union, and I'm gonna do a giant caveat right.

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Speaker 2: No one knows. No one knows. We're gonna talk about

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Speaker 2: some things from the past. Yep, we're gonna go back

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Speaker 2: a little bit. I think the furthest will stray back

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Speaker 2: as we'll stray back about eight years ago. Maybe. Okay,

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Speaker 2: we're going to touch on to Trump one. We're gonna

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Speaker 2: of Trump too, and and when we enter into the

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Speaker 2: days of Trump too, there's a giant question mark because

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Speaker 2: we're gonna be talking about some federal policy and a

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Speaker 2: lot of federal policies up in the air. I had

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Speaker 2: breakfast with Joel this morning, and I told him that

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Speaker 2: he is not He does not need to be. He

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Speaker 2: does not need to be a prophet or prophesize prophecy.

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Speaker 2: What's the hell's the word prophecies? Can you see prophesies?

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Speaker 2: It's is that not a word? Prophesies? In DC right now,

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Speaker 2: there's a there's a tremendous amount of uncertainty with the

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Speaker 5: And a lot could change from the time we record

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Speaker 5: this in the whatever six days until it airs well.

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Speaker 2: Joe, Joel's one step ahead of you. Joel wanted to speak. Uh.

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Speaker 2: He had a specific question for Corinn because he says,

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Speaker 2: we're running the risk of anything we're saying, anything we

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Speaker 2: say changing. So he wanted to understand what sort of

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Speaker 2: tightest timeline as we can provide, which Tuesday, six days,

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Speaker 2: So it's six days, so lock and change in six days.

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Speaker 2: But it's different than if it was six.

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Speaker 3: Months, Right, Steve, try this one on for size. Okay, prognosticate, Yes,

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Speaker 3: that's a good one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would think that you were making that word up, prognosticating.

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Speaker 3: Well, the examples perfect. I won't prognosticate and say whether

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Speaker 3: this will lead to other mainstream what exactly?

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Speaker 5: Oh it ends in an ellipses, No.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't, it rolls. But I sorry, it was perfect up.

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Speaker 2: Until oh I see, I see.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, now, but we were very vague. If we were

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Speaker 3: talking about a current appointment, then this example would be

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Speaker 3: sure perfect all the way through.

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Speaker 2: Understood.

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Speaker 3: I was thinking more about policy, not appointment.

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Speaker 2: So to recap, in short, we're gonna we're gonna hand

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Speaker 2: it over to Joel here to talk about what TRCP does,

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Speaker 2: what federal policy looks like, what his personal background is.

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Speaker 2: But again, this is a this is meant to be

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Speaker 2: a quick crash course in the state of the conservation movement,

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Speaker 2: particularly like conservation issues that impact American hunters and anglers,

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Speaker 2: the state of the conservation Union as we enter into

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Speaker 2: So with that, Joel, tell everybody what TRCP is.

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Speaker 4: So Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership is a nonprofit organization. We've

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Speaker 4: been around for twenty three years now, and we were

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Speaker 4: to help unify and amplif the sportsman's voice. And what

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Speaker 4: we do. Our mission is guaranteeing all Americans quality places

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Speaker 4: But the challenge that was seen over two decades ago

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Speaker 4: we've kind of broken the work that we do into

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Speaker 4: and the water issues that are there, but really that

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Speaker 4: then we also have a focus on climate or resiliency,

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Speaker 4: if you will, and really thinking about how some of

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Speaker 4: the changes we're seeing on the landscape impacts across all

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Speaker 4: of guessing based upon where you'd see roadkill. Now they

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Speaker 4: had some good data for that that helped to drive

438
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Speaker 4: the ability to implement that program. But I think really

439
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Speaker 4: the ability or even the thought process of being able

440
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Speaker 4: to put some money towards that program and have it

441
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Speaker 4: be carried out successfully. But maybe an even more important

442
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Speaker 4: example is as the BLM was looking at their solar

443
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Speaker 4: program Programmatic Environmental Impact Statement and really looking at how

444
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Speaker 4: they were going to place solar over BLM lands per

445
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Speaker 4: instruction from the Biden administration to make lands available for this.

446
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Speaker 4: One of the things that TRCP was very successful in doing,

447
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Speaker 4: and it was dependent upon this data, was saying, hey,

448
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Speaker 4: you've the first draft that you've put out here, you're

449
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Speaker 4: not paying attention to migration corridors or winter range. And

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Speaker 4: so we worked really hard to get comments in from

451
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Speaker 4: the public from our partners raise their awareness that we

452
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Speaker 4: have really good data for this. And so the final

453
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Speaker 4: rule that came out on that excluded known mapped migration corridors,

454
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Speaker 4: winter range, and stopover range, but in addition also had

455
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Speaker 4: language in there that said, and any future ones that

456
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Speaker 4: get mapped within these areas, we're going to take that

457
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Speaker 4: out as well. And so you know, the benefit from

458
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Speaker 4: that s O three three six two eight almost you know,

459
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Speaker 4: eight nine years ago now is really carried.

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Speaker 2: Forward, got it? And what are something what are some

461
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Speaker 2: things in Trump won that could have been that could

462
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Speaker 2: have been better for Hunter's nahors.

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Speaker 4: There's we're going to face this again. But energy development

464
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Speaker 4: is certainly one of them. But we don't with that

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Speaker 4: in the Biden administration. As I just said there, it

466
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Speaker 4: was just it was different. It was solar and solar

467
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Speaker 4: and wind, and here it's going to be back to

468
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Speaker 4: oil and gas. And I guess one of the advantages

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Speaker 4: that we have as oil and gas have been around

470
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Speaker 4: for a lot longer, and so we better know how

471
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Speaker 4: to deal with that, how to cite it. And there's

472
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Speaker 4: there's a lot more technology and there's a lot of

473
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Speaker 4: regulations already in place. So so that's one that is

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Speaker 4: always there. I think development is another one. I think

475
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Speaker 4: one I'm kind of fast forwarding to now, but one

476
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Speaker 4: that's on everybody's mind is public lands and what's going

477
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Speaker 4: to happen with public lands and Trump in the first

478
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Speaker 4: administration was great on public lands, very strongly came out

479
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Speaker 4: and said we shouldn't dispose of public lands, uh, and

480
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Speaker 4: made sure that that didn't happen. And we think that'll continue.

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Speaker 4: But it's you know, there's also a different tenor around

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Speaker 4: the country right now on that, and so that's something

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Speaker 4: that we're being cognizant cognizant about as well, and in

484
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Speaker 4: trying to watch that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing. I've brought this up. I've told

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Speaker 2: a story one hundred times. But the first time I

487
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 2: saw first and only time I actually saw if Trump

488
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Speaker 2: speak was very early in his campaign, his first campaign,

489
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Speaker 2: and a very conservative audience. Okay, at shot show Yep,

490
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 2: Trump spoke and he got up and and he I

491
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Speaker 2: felt as though someone had just said, hey, I'll explain

492
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Speaker 2: this later, but go out and say this, just because

493
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Speaker 2: it seemed like for a guy like, you know, he's

494
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Speaker 2: like from New York City, you know, he's a developer.

495
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Speaker 2: But he got up and he said, I'm not gonna

496
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Speaker 2: sell off your public lands.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And I remember being like just surprised that would have

499
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Speaker 2: been that early in the campaign, that would have been

500
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Speaker 2: on his radar. Do you know what I mean to

501
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Speaker 2: have brought that up, and then it kind of stayed

502
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Speaker 2: whatever the motivation on it was, stayed pretty true to

503
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Speaker 2: that and that there wasn't you know at that at

504
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Speaker 2: that time, we still haven't seen it. There wasn't a

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Speaker 2: like wholesale effort that want up being successful and like

506
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Speaker 2: reducing federal land management, you know, like it always gets

507
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Speaker 2: talked about, but it hadn't happened, and probably for a

508
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Speaker 2: handful of reasons. You could watch just in our recent

509
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 2: state campaign here, all all candidates would would try to

510
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Speaker 2: establish their public lands bona fides. All can't. It's like

511
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 2: it's like saying you're pro American, Ye, you're gonna do it.

512
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Speaker 2: People are gonna say they're going to articulate being pro

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Speaker 2: public lands, you know here, you know, in this state

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Speaker 2: at least.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's definitely important in Montana and a lot of

516
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Speaker 4: the other Western states.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like you have to give, you have to articulate,

518
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 2: you have to express that viewpoint, right. Yeah.

519
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Speaker 4: Yeah, But you know, I think I've met with members

520
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 4: of your delegation many times over the years, and the

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Speaker 4: ones that I know, they've been solid in that space

522
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Speaker 4: for a long time because it's very personal to them, right,

523
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Speaker 4: Congressman Zinkee, Senator Danes very personally both loved their time

524
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Speaker 4: out on the land, and so when they say it,

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Speaker 4: I'm I tend to believe them. And there's a lot

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Speaker 4: of others out west as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, uh, you already touched on this a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Let's let's track some of the primary issues that What

529
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Speaker 2: are some of the things that that continued, Like when

530
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Speaker 2: when Biden came in after Trump won again, as we

531
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Speaker 2: clarified earlier, Biden comes into his own priorities. Some things

532
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Speaker 2: they're just going to get ignored, something is going to

533
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Speaker 2: be pushed forward. What was sort of the conservation continuity

534
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Speaker 2: or conversy like the lack of continuity we saw when

535
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Speaker 2: Biden came in and what way is it. Did he

536
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Speaker 2: have a unique focus, and what sorts of things died

537
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Speaker 2: on the vine, what sorts of things kept going, What

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Speaker 2: new ideas were brought forward?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So, you know, we touched on a couple of

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Speaker 4: these that that were around, and they they continued the

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Speaker 4: migration's work that started with so three three six two.

542
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Speaker 4: The Biden administration kept that program around and because it

543
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Speaker 4: was a secretarial order from the Trump administration, it would

544
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Speaker 4: have been very easy for them to just slice and

545
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Speaker 4: dice that one, and we're getting rid of it just

546
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Speaker 4: because of where it came from. But they kept it

547
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Speaker 4: around because they they heard about it from the sportsman community.

548
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 4: For sure, they heard about it from sportsman, but they

549
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 4: also saw the value of it. But it didn't get

550
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 4: the same level of funding, it didn't get the same

551
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 4: level of focus that it did in Trump won. They

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Speaker 4: kept it there and things continued by that token. What

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Speaker 4: we talked about with access and opening up the fish

554
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Speaker 4: and wildlife refuges to more hunting and fishing access is

555
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Speaker 4: another one that they kept around, but just absolutely not

556
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Speaker 4: at the same level. I forget the exact number here,

557
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Speaker 4: but the last last year they did it, it was

558
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Speaker 4: a couple hundred three hundre thousand acres that were opened

559
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Speaker 4: up as a post of millions in the first several years.

560
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Speaker 4: And they also you know, started putting some additional restrictions

561
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Speaker 4: and looking at some of this in terms of we're

562
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Speaker 4: going to open it up, but there's not going to

563
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Speaker 4: be any lead ammunition allowed, regardless of what you're hunting

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Speaker 4: for fishing for. It wasn't just tied to waterfowl and

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Speaker 4: some things like that. That that made it a little

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Speaker 4: more challenging in those regards. You know, the Biden administration

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Speaker 4: and I think democratic administrations in general there they're always

568
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Speaker 4: good about conservation funding. So we talked about the bipart

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Speaker 4: as an Infrastructure Law and the Inflation Reduction Act and

570
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Speaker 4: the nearly two trillion dollars that came towards conservation through that.

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Speaker 4: So the funding there was great. We'll probably see a

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Speaker 4: reduction in some of that funding with a Republican administration

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Speaker 4: and a Republican Congress coming in, and so it's kind

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Speaker 4: of hard to weave apart. Was it just the administration

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Speaker 4: because there's also Congress in there as well, and how

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Speaker 4: they're given the funding out when it came to kind

577
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 4: of some of the direct hunting related legislation and policies,

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Speaker 4: certainly we saw a drop off with that. And in

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Speaker 4: the Biden administration, access was important, access specific for hunting

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Speaker 4: and fishing less important. Second Amendment issues absolutely less important

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Speaker 4: within a democratic administration, and I think what we than

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Speaker 4: what we saw and what we'll see again in a

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Speaker 4: Republican administration. Energy development was still important for both, but

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Speaker 4: in a different in a different manner. As we talked

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Speaker 4: about a minute ago. And so I think those are

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Speaker 4: some of the differences that.

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Speaker 2: We'll see if you had to, if you had to

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Speaker 2: look at the energy part of the question. With Biden

589
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Speaker 2: administration talking about DO and renewables, so solar arrays and

590
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Speaker 2: and uh, wind farms, what do you call it? What

591
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 2: do you actually call it? Wind farm?

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00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 4: That's what I call it.

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Speaker 2: You can use that term solar rays and wind farms.

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Speaker 2: And when it first came out, when it first came

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Speaker 2: up for comment, it was kind of like a felt

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Speaker 2: like a staggering amount of acreage being considered, right and

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00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 2: then and then it got debated, and as you pointed out,

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Speaker 2: people brought in issues like wildlife corridors and and and

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Speaker 2: and it shrank, the proposed footprint shrank. And I think

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Speaker 2: part of setting that policies you come out with a

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Speaker 2: big ask, knowing that you're asked, will you get whittled down? Okay?

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Speaker 2: And now with like energy dominance okay, and looking back

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Speaker 2: at fossil fuels and in the current administration pushing for

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Speaker 2: like a real concentrated focus on domestic fossil fuel energy production.

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Speaker 2: Which of those things do you think which of those

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Speaker 2: plans is going to lead to like the highest net

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Speaker 2: acreage of public hunting and fishing lands being developed. Like

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Speaker 2: is the footprint on Trump's fossil fuel plan? Will it

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Speaker 2: wind up being bigger than the biggest ask from the

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Speaker 2: buy An administration on the footprint of renewables.

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Speaker 4: It's hard for me to prognosticate this, you tell uh no, I,

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Speaker 4: Like I said before, we've got a lot of history

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Speaker 4: with oil and gas development, right and we know that

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Speaker 4: what that footprint is. And with directional drilling and everything else,

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Speaker 4: it's they'll take up less of a footprint. You know.

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Speaker 4: One of the big problems with with solar is the

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Speaker 4: arrays go in and then they put an eight foot

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Speaker 4: chain link fence around it to keep everyone and everything out,

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Speaker 4: And with oil and gas you don't necessarily have to

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Speaker 4: do that, and you can leave some open space between them.

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Speaker 4: There's also some emerging technology that the companies have started

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Speaker 4: talking about where they can check their pumps. They can

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Speaker 4: check the flows more remotely than they ever used to,

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Speaker 4: because even though you've got a reduced footprint with oil

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00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:23,240
Speaker 4: and gas, you still typically have historically had vehicles driving

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00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 4: those roads every day year round checking on everything. And

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Speaker 4: that disturbance just causes problems for the wildlife there, particularly

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Speaker 4: in the winter range right where you're getting that constant

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Speaker 4: disturbance on them. And so I think there's we've learned

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Speaker 4: more about how to mitigate those factors over the years

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Speaker 4: through oil and gas, where we're still learning it now

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Speaker 4: with solar and wind. And I forget the acreages now,

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Speaker 4: but TRCP and some of our partners put together a

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Speaker 4: document looking at at the surface area impact of the

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Speaker 4: various forms of energy to get this away from how

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Speaker 4: many killowat hours are we talking about generating to what's

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Speaker 4: the disturbance out there on the landscape, And it surprised

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Speaker 4: me the wind had a bigger footprint even than solar

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Speaker 4: when it came to the number of acres per kilowatt

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Speaker 4: hour that we're being generated on.

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Speaker 2: That, oh for sure, and it was not well, maybe

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00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 2: it's better understood now than it was, but for lack

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Speaker 2: of a better term, the psychological impact to wildlife that

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00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 2: those blades rolling in the sky and how that affects

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00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 2: the noise and the blades, how it affects what goes

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Speaker 2: on down on the ground because you can look underneath

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00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 2: one of those suckers and see a bunch of grass, right.

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Speaker 2: But then and I just have had anecdotal conversations with

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Speaker 2: people who've taken ranch land and put it into that

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Speaker 2: and they'll come back and say, like buy and large

651
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 2: stuff avoids that part of the ranch now, like prong Horn,

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Speaker 2: particularly about prong Horn, just never getting comfortable with it, right,

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Speaker 2: So you wind up it's like the footprint winds up

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Speaker 2: being different than the footprint.

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Speaker 4: Right, you know, yeah, exactly, which.

656
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Speaker 2: I think is what you're referring to in the amount

657
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Speaker 2: of traffic that a company's oil and gas correct, all

658
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 2: the vehicle traffic right.

659
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Speaker 4: Right, yeah, yeah, And so like I said, we we

660
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Speaker 4: know better how to mitigate it when it comes to

661
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Speaker 4: oil and gas. But I think the other thing is,

662
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 4: you know, and we're seeing it already even with the

663
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Speaker 4: executive orders that have come out about energy dominance, you're

664
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Speaker 4: already seeing a little bit of the pushback from the

665
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Speaker 4: from the industry. Even that it's executive orders are only

666
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Speaker 4: going to go so far. It'll open it up for

667
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Speaker 4: the future, but it's probably not going to have an

668
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 4: immediate impact right now because it's all supply and demand, right.

669
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Speaker 4: And so we've got that aspect where with the subsidies,

670
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Speaker 4: the the solar and wind we're getting to try to

671
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 4: develop these technologies. I wonder if we were seeing more

672
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 4: of that go on the ground because of the subsidies around.

673
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 2: There, it was a little bit divorced from free market economy.

674
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I also think the like, what's one of the

675
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 5: interesting things in terms of just beyond the physical impact

676
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 5: is just leasing out because most leases don't get developed, right, right,

677
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Speaker 5: And so I think, like if I recall, once that

678
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 5: land is leased, it creates all sorts of hurdles for

679
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Speaker 5: trying to do other projects on that ground, like habitat improvement.

680
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 2: So one of the.

681
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Speaker 5: Concerns is not necessarily like all the administration is going

682
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Speaker 5: to sell a bunch of leases, even if they go undeveloped,

683
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 5: it still creates hurdles for doing things for wildlife on

684
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 5: those lands, even if those areas are never drilled, right. Yeah,

685
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:50,720
Speaker 5: that's that's another concern.

686
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Speaker 3: Well, the Conservation Lease program is under review, so that

687
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Speaker 3: doesn't actually fact round at this point, right, So that's

688
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 3: part of the Secretary order. So that just came out

689
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Speaker 3: or sorry, executive orders.

690
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that came out.

691
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Speaker 5: I mean, correct me if I'm wrong. But like, even

692
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Speaker 5: outside of that, like aside from just leasing public ground

693
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Speaker 5: for wild so can you not.

694
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Speaker 3: Like overlap grazing allotment on that.

695
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Speaker 5: I mean, I can't speak to the technicalities, but I

696
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 5: know that's one concern is like if you have a

697
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 5: massive least sale, even if they say we're not going

698
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 5: to drill this for a hundred years, there are immediate

699
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Speaker 5: consequences in terms of like wanting to do wildlife on

700
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Speaker 5: that land because they could drill it at any time.

701
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Speaker 2: So there's like there's.

702
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Speaker 4: There's kind of a primacy of use. Yea, so it

703
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 4: gets better consideration. I mean it's that way with grazing

704
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 4: as well. When you get a grazing allotment on public lands,

705
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 4: there's some deferment that goes to that rancher that's got

706
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 4: it because he's paying for that. And while there's still

707
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 4: can be habitat work that can be done, got to

708
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Speaker 4: take into consideration what's that going to do to the

709
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 4: to the forage, the cattle that are out there, the

710
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,959
Speaker 4: sheep that are out there. Right and while there's there's

711
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 4: still hunting access, there may be areas within that that

712
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 4: get excluded because it's important to the ranchers operations and

713
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 4: things like that.

714
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I can see, like on the flip side,

715
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Speaker 3: if you're operating under grant to go out and do

716
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Speaker 3: improvements on the landscape, are you going to prioritize land

717
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 3: that may at some point be developed. Should kind of

718
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,760
Speaker 3: be like throwing your your grant money away understime?

719
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it Joel's an interesting point you brought up

720
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 2: that I hadn't really thought too much about, is you

721
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 2: can do executive orders, but it's all going to be

722
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 2: a little bit at the whim of the industry as

723
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 2: they watch the price of a barrel of oil, Like

724
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 2: there's certain places that are very expensive to operate in,

725
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,280
Speaker 2: and until the market is such that it makes sense,

726
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 2: you can ask them to do it, but they might

727
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 2: not pull the trigger on it.

728
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 4: Right, No, that's exactly right. And I think what the

729
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 4: executive orders do is they they create the framework to

730
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 4: be able to do more in the future, but it's

731
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 4: still going to be up to the markets.

732
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think you're right and that that a

733
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Speaker 2: lot of renewables were being like highly incentivized, meaning the

734
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 2: wattage or however you measure the output of places you'd

735
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 2: get a premium price for depending on how that was

736
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 2: generated right, or you'd be you'd operate at a deficit

737
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 2: depending on how it was generated. Yeah, there's a lot

738
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Speaker 2: of parallels with how the New York Times bestseller list works,

739
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 2: and you happen to be thinking that, Yeah, like a

740
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 2: book sold in some places is worth a lot more

741
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 2: to their algorithm than a book sold in other places.

742
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 4: Interesting.

743
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, Uh, So to play this game we played, we

744
00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 2: looked at Trump won and coming out of Trump one,

745
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 2: what are some things that what were some areas where

746
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 2: we saw Biden's focus change? So if we look at

747
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 2: some areas of focus that Biden had, what are some

748
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 2: places where we might see some continuity. I think i'll

749
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 2: tee this up about something that you and I discussed

750
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 2: as breakfast as well as I can tell you. One

751
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 2: area where there will not be continuity is so far

752
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 2: is conversations around climate and it puts it creates a

753
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 2: particular pickle for people. And I'll recap a discussion we

754
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 2: had over breakfast. The Biden administration was so focused on

755
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 2: climate issues that researchers needed to change the language they

756
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 2: used when talking about wildlife conservation to get funding or

757
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 2: to stay at the top of the heap, meaning You

758
00:43:56,440 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 2: could be an individual who say, maps salmon runs, describes

759
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 2: salmon runs, looks at the relative strength of particular salmon runs,

760
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 2: what's going on with king salmon? Right? And this might

761
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Speaker 2: be your focus. Four years ago there was a dramatic

762
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Speaker 2: paradigm shift. You had to then say, well, how is

763
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Speaker 2: what I'm already doing? How can I frame this as

764
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Speaker 2: being a discussion about climate? Or you work on wildfire mitigation,

765
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 2: generally you work on wildfire issues. To keep doing your work,

766
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 2: you had to say, oh, and by the way, it's

767
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Speaker 2: a climate project, because that would enable you to get funding,

768
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 2: that would enable you to be published academically, because if

769
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Speaker 2: you weren't talking about climate, you wouldn't get published. If

770
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 2: you weren't talking about climate, you wouldn't get funding. And

771
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 2: now there's this this reality that you need to expunge

772
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:01,280
Speaker 2: that language from your project. We had people whose arms

773
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 2: were bent and creating that language correct, Everything had to

774
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 2: flow through that lens. And now you have to retract

775
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,800
Speaker 2: from that and demonstrate back to the old way you

776
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 2: would you would highlight your work or seek grants. Yeah,

777
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 2: and it's like it feels to me and this is

778
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 2: me talking. I want to be very clear This is

779
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 2: not Joel talking. This is me talking. It feels like

780
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 2: if I was a wildlife researcher, I would I would

781
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 2: feel disheartened about that, disheartened about this because I'd be like, dude,

782
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 2: I was overplaying it. I don't want to admit it now,

783
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 2: but I was overplaying that shit to get funding. Now

784
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 2: I gotta turn around and dial it back.

785
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 3: I do think this is just like the same game

786
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 3: that gets played every four years or eight years. Though

787
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, your emphasis is on this awesome. I

788
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 3: work on grizzly bears, and I'm gonna make grizzly bears

789
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 3: climate than yep, right, i work on grizzly bears. I'm

790
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 3: gonna make it. Uh. I'm gonna try to determine how

791
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 3: grizzly bears love oil and gas withdraw, but I'm gonna

792
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 3: steal work on yeah.

793
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, like, oh no, it's the same work, but now

794
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 2: it has to do with how I can mitigate risk

795
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,879
Speaker 2: to the livestock industry by better understanding how bears live

796
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 2: and where they go. Yeah, exactly, Yeah, And before I

797
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 2: wanted to find out how they live and where they

798
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 2: go because it could have something to do with climate yeah.

799
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a pre precursor to how the temperature is

800
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Speaker 3: changing on the ground something.

801
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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, No, I think you're you're both absolutely correct

802
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:42,919
Speaker 4: on that, and and it is frustrating. I mean, it's

803
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 4: the fact of the matter, is I I So I

804
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 4: think back to my my Milder Foundation days when we

805
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 4: were While I was there, Meal Deer Foundation was a

806
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 4: benefactor of large tens of millions of dollars commitment from

807
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 4: for a service and BLM to go out and help implement,

808
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 4: in the eyes of the Mule Deer Foundation, great habitat

809
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 4: restoration work for mule deer to save mule deer, make

810
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 4: sure they had the best quality habitat out there on

811
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 4: winter range, summer range, wherever it was. But it was

812
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 4: coming through a lens of this money is coming on

813
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 4: the ground to help us mitigate climate change, to help

814
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Speaker 4: us mitigate the wildfire crisis, and all of that. The

815
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,959
Speaker 4: work the Mule Deer Foundation and those contractors are doing

816
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 4: is exactly the same three years ago as it will

817
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 4: be next year. It's just in the name of however

818
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 4: you want to frame it up.

819
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Speaker 3: And so that's probably overlaps a lot with what Tall

820
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Speaker 3: Timbers has been doing for like seventy years now.

821
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 4: Exactly exactly. Yeah, And so you get this and when

822
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 4: we come in with just the broad brush that it

823
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 4: said climate, it must be bad. I don't you know.

824
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 4: It's just too broad stroke and it just politicizes the

825
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 4: issues like everything is politicized now in Congress and conservation

826
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Speaker 4: and everything else, which is is really unfortunate because the

827
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 4: work that we do is nonpartisan, right, and we can

828
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 4: do good things for whatever you care about with this

829
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 4: money being done or the research being done. It's just

830
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 4: it's unfortunate that the word climate gets caught up in

831
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 4: all of this.

832
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:36,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, what are some other areas where you think we'll

833
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 2: see So we talked about oil and gas like a

834
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 2: fundamental change of perspective on what kind of energy like.

835
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Speaker 2: But both administrations agreed that we wanted to do energy work, right,

836
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 2: but a real difference, and we're talking about renewables v.

837
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Speaker 2: Fossil fuel, right, And I think within that you can't

838
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 2: really separate that conversation from from the client a conversation,

839
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 2: because the climate conversation was driven by an idea that

840
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Speaker 2: renewables great good. You're bad. If you talk, you know,

841
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 2: you're you're you must not love the environment. If you

842
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 2: bring up questions about renewables to being renewables bad, fossil

843
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 2: fuels good, that's a major shift. Are there some other

844
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Speaker 2: like just like ideological shifts that you think will see

845
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 2: I mean only as it pertains the conservation though, I'm

846
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 2: not going to make you go down some you know,

847
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 2: you don't talking about the A word or anything, but

848
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Speaker 2: what are some fundamental shifts that you think we're going

849
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 2: to see in terms of in terms of attitude and focus.

850
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Speaker 4: You know, I think that's probably the biggest one. I

851
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 4: think how conservation gets funded. There's probably the other one

852
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:50,959
Speaker 4: that that I've been spending a lot of time thinking about,

853
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 4: and my counterparts and the organizations have I've brought up

854
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 4: the bill and i ra A funding a couple of

855
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 4: times when there's big slug of money there, what's going

856
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 4: to happen with that money?

857
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Speaker 2: Those?

858
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,760
Speaker 4: Again, those that money was going to programs that people

859
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 4: care about. Right. There was so one example I can

860
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 4: use it goes to private lands. In the Farm Bill.

861
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Speaker 4: There was about twenty billion dollars through the Inflation Reduction

862
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:23,800
Speaker 4: Act that went to the Farm Bill to help farmers

863
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Speaker 4: and ranchers do projects on their land that had conservation

864
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 4: benefits and water quality benefits that were programs that existed

865
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Speaker 4: before this money passed. Landowners like it. There was more

866
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Speaker 4: landowners that wanted funding than there was funding available for

867
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Speaker 4: and a number I saw recently about eighty percent of

868
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Speaker 4: that funding that's gone out the door has gone to

869
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Speaker 4: Republican congressional districts. And so even the people that voted

870
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 4: for this administration, they're the ones that are benefiting from this,

871
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 4: and they like it. Well, what's going to happen with

872
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 4: that funding as we go forward and we're thinking about

873
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 4: reconciliation and reducing the size of the government. Those programs

874
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 4: are still there. They're still going to do great things

875
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 4: for conservation and for agriculture. I'd argue they need to stay.

876
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 4: But where's the priority going to be between reducing the

877
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:22,839
Speaker 4: size of government, reducing the amount of money going out

878
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 4: the door, and the conservation issues that are really important

879
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 4: to us. To the point, and this is where I'll

880
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 4: tie it back to climate here a little bit. At

881
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 4: the end of last Congress, there was a recognition that

882
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 4: there was an opportunity here to take ten twelve, fourteen

883
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 4: million billion dollars that had not yet been spent through

884
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 4: those programs and roll it into the baseline of the

885
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 4: next Farm bill. And the Republican and Democrat leadership for

886
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 4: both the House and Senate agg committees were in favor

887
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:00,359
Speaker 4: of doing this. They saw it as an opportunit need

888
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 4: to increase funding to do private land conservation work down

889
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:06,439
Speaker 4: the road. But there was a faction of individuals out

890
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 4: there that just could not live with the fact that

891
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 4: we might take climate out of the equation and say

892
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 4: and just remove the word that this money has to

893
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 4: be spent for climate work, even though it was going

894
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,320
Speaker 4: to do exactly the same work. And so it didn't

895
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 4: happen at the end of last Congress, and we don't

896
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 4: know if it'll happen again now.

897
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 3: So yeah, because we're on our second Farm bill extension,

898
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 3: that's right right now. Whereas technically we shouldn't have an extension,

899
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 3: we should have a new farm bill.

900
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 4: Should have had a new farm bill two years ago, right,

901
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 4: But this was just an attempt at the end of

902
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 4: Congress to get this rolled in. So when they did

903
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 4: work on the next extension, it went on into the baseline, right, And.

904
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 3: That's referencing like the climate credits for soil conservation through

905
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 3: things that a lot of ranchers want to do anyway,

906
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 3: which is grow native grass as that deeper rip structures,

907
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 3: they sequester more carbine, but they're also super drought and

908
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 3: fire tolerant, and they're just really good forage for those

909
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 3: landscapes because that's what was there long before they were there.

910
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, you know, President Trump has overwhelming support.

911
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 2: I gu it's fair to say, like overwhelming support from

912
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 2: the agricultural industry, right, farmers, ranchers. I mean, if you're

913
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 2: gonna pull farmers and ranchers, he's got their support. Yes,

914
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 2: not without exception, but overwhelmingly correct When you look at

915
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 2: like like over your career and over your time of conservation,

916
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 2: when you look at that, do you find that, like

917
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 2: we remove it just from a conversation about Trump, at

918
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 2: any administration, do you find that they'll wind up looking

919
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 2: at that that constituency is supportive, here's some federal spending

920
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 2: that aids that constituency, and that gets a level of favoritism.

921
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 2: I don't mean to be cynical, but I mean that

922
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 2: has to be a thing that plays out in the

923
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 2: psychology of any president.

924
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 4: Absolutely. I mean, we can talk about conservation and you

925
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 4: talk about all those other programs that we're not going

926
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 4: to talk about today, right, but but absolutely it's there.

927
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 4: And ultimately it boils down to how can I get

928
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 4: those votes and then how can I follow through on

929
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:26,399
Speaker 4: those votes I got with the promises that I made

930
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 4: to get him there? And so yeah, definitely is a factor.

931
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 2: What does need to happen? Uh, what does need to

932
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 2: happen with the farm Bill? And is it fair to

933
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:41,280
Speaker 2: say too? Is my understanding this credit simple?

934
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 3: Simple?

935
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 2: But is the main like if you maybe i'm maybe

936
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 2: I'm I don't have a sophisticated understanding, and I know

937
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 2: it's like it's byzantine, right, but but one of the

938
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 2: main issues of the farm bill is having CRP lands.

939
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 2: Is that under Is that like under selling other initiatives

940
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 2: in the farm bill? Or is that kind of like

941
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 2: one of the primary points and from conservation, not from

942
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:09,760
Speaker 2: everything else, but in the conservation part of the question

943
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 2: is land CRP lands.

944
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, So CRP is extremely important as a program in

945
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 4: there For those that may not be familiar, it's basically

946
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 4: a short term lease on that land to put it

947
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 4: into to native hopefully native grasses, but at least into

948
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:31,760
Speaker 4: some sort of cover. So it's not in row agriculture,

949
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 4: and it's supposed to the marginalized lands, but it's you know,

950
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 4: twenty to thirty million acres depending upon the year and

951
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:42,799
Speaker 4: where that cap has been over the years. That's of

952
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 4: marginal land that's being set aside that ends up creating

953
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:50,240
Speaker 4: great wildlife habitat. And so it is absolutely an anchor

954
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 4: of the of the Farm Bill program. There's a lot

955
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 4: of other good programs in there through some of the

956
00:55:56,520 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 4: Wetland Reserve Program, which has been through several different iterations

957
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 4: and names over the year. The Environmental Quality and Sentence

958
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 4: Program is another one that's about six hundred million a

959
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 4: year that comes out through that that encourages private landowners

960
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 4: to do conservation related practices to help with water quality,

961
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 4: fencing issues, water issues, et cetera on their properties. And

962
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 4: so there's all sorts of really good programs under there

963
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 4: that need to happen. And then so Congress passes the

964
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 4: farm Bill and you ask what needs to happen, Well,

965
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 4: that's it. They need to actually pass one instead of

966
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 4: continuing to go on the extension after extension after extension.

967
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 2: What has been the greatest obstacle to getting it passed.

968
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 4: A hell of a question. I don't it's hard to

969
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 4: put my finger on it. Just I think it's become

970
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 4: like everything else, it just kind of became politicized and

971
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 4: trying to come up with the baseline numbers. But you

972
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:59,919
Speaker 4: can't just look at the conservation aspect of the farm

973
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 4: bill and focus on that, because what a lot of

974
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 4: people don't understand is the conservation title within the farm

975
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 4: bill is small compared to the insurance programs, the food

976
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 4: stamp programs, and everything else that's tied in. And so

977
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 4: that's where the real that's where the real rub comes is.

978
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 4: There's a lot of programs there that help urban communities

979
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 4: and help underserved communities to go along with the conservation

980
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 4: and the farm subsidies and all of that. And so

981
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 4: you got all of these great things, and so we

982
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 4: can look at, you know, the little bit of quote

983
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 4: infighting that might happen within the conservation organizations about whether

984
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 4: it ought to be grasslands, or whether we need to

985
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 4: pay more attention to forestry, or do we need more

986
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 4: for easements and all of that, but all of that

987
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:55,479
Speaker 4: pales in comparison to the broader fight about that really

988
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 4: comes down to political sides over where this money should go.

989
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, so those issues in a way are held hostage

990
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 2: by these much more expensive, much more contentious issues. Yes.

991
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 4: Yeah.

992
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 3: And if you go like all the way back to

993
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 3: like waters of the United States, sure, right, So you

994
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 3: got a lot of farmers who are like, oh my god,

995
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 3: government overreach. We can't do anything as far as like

996
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 3: water that they can manage on their private property. Trump

997
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 3: one big rollback of WOTIS, and we see a pretty

998
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 3: drastic increase in drain tile right, so we're losing intermittent wetlands.

999
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 3: In the Farm Bill, there's a lot of programs that

1000
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 3: are kind of like the carrot not the stick approach

1001
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 3: to Hey, not great to tile that farm for a

1002
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 3: bunch of different reasons. Here's a bunch of incentives that

1003
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 3: you have access to in the farm that would prevent

1004
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 3: got that pract that particular farming practice.

1005
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 2: It that can help you make the right choice for

1006
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 2: conservation without an economic without as much of an economic

1007
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 2: cost to your operation.

1008
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, or without the feeling of like being held against

1009
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 3: your will. I guess I understand, depending on who who's

1010
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 3: coming at it. From wood angle, yeah, uhh.

1011
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 2: We talked about wolves from mint everybody's favorite topic right

1012
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 2: just a minute, though, should be able to cover it. Uh, well, no,

1013
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 2: it's more of like a it's more like a how

1014
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 2: to how does stuff work in Washington? Question? Yeah? Okay,

1015
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 2: so I have a question I wrote up. So I

1016
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 2: was going to say, moving to the lower forty eight.

1017
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 2: So we're going to talk about Alaska and we still

1018
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 2: might talk about Alaska. We're gonna talk about Alaska. I

1019
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 2: was gonna say moving to the lower forty eight. My

1020
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 2: beloved colleague Brody Henderson just alerted me that there's a

1021
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 2: bill right now. I have no idea where it sits.

1022
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 2: There's a bill right now once again, moving to delist

1023
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 2: wolves across the lower forty eight, which would have big

1024
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 2: implications for right now Colorado, wouldn't have implications for Idaho,

1025
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 2: Montana and Wow have implications for Colorado, potential implications for

1026
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 2: Utah other states. How likely is something like that to advance?

1027
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 2: Meaning I've had people explain to me that that questions

1028
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 2: around listings and d listings are somewhat insulated from from

1029
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 2: presidential administrations. Meaning these are things that move slow. They

1030
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 2: move at department levels, and it's not like presidents come

1031
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 2: in and are able to. They don't come in and

1032
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 2: manipulate or push directly like Endangered Species Act discussions, that

1033
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 2: might not even be true. I don't know. But if

1034
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 2: you have, if you have a Republican Senate, a Republican Congress,

1035
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 2: Republican president, all the appointees going along, is there a

1036
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 2: power play? Is there a power play that can happen?

1037
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 2: That would be we're gonna begin the delisting of grizzly

1038
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 2: bears and we're gonna delist wolves in the Upper Great

1039
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 2: Lakes or across the lower forty eight Or is that

1040
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 2: just completely outside of how the election just went? Yeah,

1041
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 2: does that make any sense? That was not a very

1042
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 2: well articulated question. Try to say what I'm saying, Randall.

1043
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 4: I'm tracking.

1044
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 3: What what do you think?

1045
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you're correct that this is supposed to be insulated.

1046
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 4: I mean it is all through the Endangered Species Act.

1047
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 4: When a species is listed, you're supposed to eventually Typically

1048
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 4: it's supposed to happen when it gets listed, but it

1049
01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 4: usually takes no more time to get a recovery plan.

1050
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 4: And within that recovery plan, there are goals about the

1051
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 4: number of individuals or the number of breeding pairs that

1052
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 4: you have to hit before it would be delisted. The

1053
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 4: Endangered Species Act was never written and designed to house

1054
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 4: a species forever. It was designed to let's identify what

1055
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 4: it is, let's identify how we recover it, and let's

1056
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 4: get it off the books, and let's put the management

1057
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 4: of that species back to the state, just like they're

1058
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 4: managing for the game species right now. Right. And so

1059
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 4: when you look at wolves and over the years, I mean,

1060
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 4: it's been going back and forth since the Biden administration,

1061
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 4: I think was the Biden administration with wolves? Or we

1062
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 4: can overcomplicate this and get into all the distinct population

1063
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 4: segments and all that other stuff. But the bottom line

1064
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 4: is they said the Biden administration, this novisser has said

1065
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 4: they've met recovery. Let's get it off the books.

1066
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 2: That came from the Biden administration.

1067
01:02:56,760 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, the Obama administration going way back the Obama administration,

1068
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 4: people didn't like that, so they took it to court.

1069
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 4: The court overruled. I forget the reasons. Oftentimes it's a technicality.

1070
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 4: It's not based upon how many are out there on

1071
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 4: the landscape. It's did you follow the rules to the

1072
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 4: letter of the law, right, and so We've been back

1073
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 4: and forth on this with wolves on several occasions, listed, delisted, listed, dlisted.

1074
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 4: And so does Congress have an influence on this? They

1075
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 4: can they you know, they certainly can they get together

1076
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 4: and pass something. So what you mentioned now, I think

1077
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 4: it's called the pet and Livestock Protection Act, and it's

1078
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 4: been introduced to get wolves off. I don't know much

1079
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 4: about it other than it's got thirty Republican co sponsors,

1080
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 4: no Democratic co sponsors on this, So.

1081
01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 2: That's in the House.

1082
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 4: I think it is in the House right now. Right, Well,

1083
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Speaker 4: it passed the House on a slim margin party line. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: but this is not something this is something that in

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01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 4: the Senate unless they do it away with the filibuster,

1086
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 4: they're gonna have to get sixty votes for There's no

1087
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:15,440
Speaker 4: way they get to sixty votes. So I don't think

1088
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 4: you're going to legislate it. Can it be influenced by

1089
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 4: the administration, It absolutely can be, because all of those

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01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 4: rules not only go through the Agency, but then they

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01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 4: go through the Council on Environmental Quality the CEQ, which

1092
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:33,200
Speaker 4: is an office of the White House that all of

1093
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 4: this environmental related, wildlife related stuff goes through. And so

1094
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 4: there's a filter there, and there's direction coming from there

1095
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 4: about you know, this is where the administration would like

1096
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:47,280
Speaker 4: to go. Ultimately, they still have to base it upon

1097
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 4: the merits right, and so with the recent Grizzly Bear

1098
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 4: decision that the Biden administration did, they in a way

1099
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Speaker 4: they kind of changed the goalpost because this was about

1100
01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 4: distinct population segments and they said, well, no, let's look

1101
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 4: at this across the whole landscape and what those numbers are.

1102
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 4: So you get all of those things going on. Ultimately,

1103
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 4: what's going to happen. I think it's going to continue

1104
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 4: to be a political ping pong ball, which is a shame.

1105
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 4: And when I think about the influence on this and

1106
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 4: think about legislation to try to get us out of

1107
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 4: this quagmire, I can't say that I'm a real fan

1108
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:24,440
Speaker 4: because I start thinking about ballot box initiatives that happened

1109
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 4: at the states, right, It's not that. Look, wolves in

1110
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 4: most cases should be delisted based upon the merits of recovery,

1111
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 4: and it shouldn't be going back and forth between the

1112
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 4: politicians and the courts, and the special interest groups and

1113
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 4: the courts and all of that. We ought to just

1114
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 4: be able to get it back to nonpartisan, science based

1115
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 4: decisions like as it was designed to be, and how

1116
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:50,520
Speaker 4: we get there. I don't know if I ever figure

1117
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:53,440
Speaker 4: it out. I'm you know, I'm not going to be

1118
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:54,440
Speaker 4: doing this job anymore.

1119
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:57,560
Speaker 2: I think I might have been sitting next to you

1120
01:05:57,640 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 2: when I heard this. I believe I'll sit next to

1121
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 2: you and I and the Governor of Utah was addressing

1122
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 2: the audience and the Governor of Utah pledged the wolves

1123
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 2: aren't coming into Utah, and I remember thinking to myself,

1124
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's up to you, right, Yes,

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01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 2: I mean i'd be like, care for what you promise?

1126
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:23,439
Speaker 4: Well, right, I mean they do have legs, Yeah, kind

1127
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:26,280
Speaker 4: of like they got to Colorado before a malady initiative

1128
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 4: there said let's put them back they were already there.

1129
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd be like, if you're looking at a map

1130
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 2: and you just have that figured out based on the

1131
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 2: map you're looking at, that's one thing. But if you

1132
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 2: mean politically, I don't think that's that's not your call

1133
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:39,960
Speaker 2: right now. Yeah, Like if they walk in, they walk in.

1134
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:42,640
Speaker 3: Well, the pro wolf people were like, there's no way

1135
01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:46,919
Speaker 3: with the way Wyoming manages wolves that a wolf will

1136
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 3: ever walk from Wyoming into Colorado, Like, well.

1137
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 2: Really, they'd be incentivized to.

1138
01:06:56,640 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 3: They're sprinting, they're walking.

1139
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like the you know, yeah, like the equip

1140
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:10,959
Speaker 2: of the Southern Railroad. Uh yeah, good answer on that one.

1141
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 2: It is a ping pong ball.

1142
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:14,000
Speaker 4: Man, It's crazy.

1143
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 2: It is a ping pong ball. I feel that.

1144
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 4: Uh.

1145
01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 2: I feel that the if I had to look at it,

1146
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 2: if I was going to crystal ball what's the word prognosticate,

1147
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:28,400
Speaker 2: If I was going to prognosticate, and I was going

1148
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:31,800
Speaker 2: to come up with like a realistic the realistic goal

1149
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 2: for the next four years when it comes to the

1150
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:38,120
Speaker 2: when it comes to the delisting issue, I think that

1151
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:41,640
Speaker 2: saying declaring delisted across the lower forty eight, I think

1152
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 2: that kind of winds up. I wouldn't be a poet.

1153
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 2: I wouldn't really get worked up about it in a

1154
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 2: negative way. But I think it kind of goes against

1155
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 2: a lot of the work we've done about distinct population segments.

1156
01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 2: And I think that if the distinct population segment, if

1157
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:05,680
Speaker 2: that idea was being used the way it was intended

1158
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:08,960
Speaker 2: to be used, that'd be a quicker path forward. So

1159
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 2: I think that to throw your hands up in the

1160
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:13,000
Speaker 2: air and be like, we're going to delist across the

1161
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:14,800
Speaker 2: entirety of the Lower forty eight. Is kind of like

1162
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:16,759
Speaker 2: me telling my kids, I'm gonna take all their iPads

1163
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 2: and run them over with my truck. Well, they're like,

1164
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:22,160
Speaker 2: they're thinking, like, he's not really gonna do that, but

1165
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:26,080
Speaker 2: he is pissed, do you know what I mean? So

1166
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:32,960
Speaker 2: I think that realistically doing Northern Great Lakes on wolves right,

1167
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:35,840
Speaker 2: finding some clarity because that's been a ping pong back

1168
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 2: and forth, back and forth. We're doing doing wolves in

1169
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:43,280
Speaker 2: the Northern Great Lakes back to state management, so Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan. Right,

1170
01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:46,639
Speaker 2: that's like a realistic goal. And this is my opinion,

1171
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:49,040
Speaker 2: and again this is me talking, not Joel talking. That's

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01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:53,599
Speaker 2: a realistic goal. And I think doing to do grizzly

1173
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:56,519
Speaker 2: bears in one or two of the distinct population segments,

1174
01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:03,040
Speaker 2: starting with the Yellowstone DPS and maybe the Northern Continental

1175
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:06,160
Speaker 2: Divide DPS, that seems to me like on that issue,

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01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:09,120
Speaker 2: that would I would view that as a success. I

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01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:11,240
Speaker 2: think it's starting to talk about the whole Lower forty

1178
01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:15,240
Speaker 2: eight is just it's you're you're you're kind of reintroducing

1179
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 2: an old paradigm that got us in trouble in the

1180
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:20,120
Speaker 2: first place. Was the problem was listing them in the

1181
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:24,839
Speaker 2: lower forty eight didn't give you any sort of nuanced control.

1182
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:27,720
Speaker 2: So to go back to talking about lower forty eight,

1183
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:31,760
Speaker 2: you're almost repeating like an old you know, it's kind

1184
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:33,880
Speaker 2: of you're repeating an old mistake. And I'm just talking

1185
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 2: about I'm just talking about being strategic, like I'm talking

1186
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:39,560
Speaker 2: about getting making some progress. I feel that it'd be

1187
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 2: much better to focus on these these pre existing sets

1188
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:46,559
Speaker 2: of rules that we've been operating under and like try

1189
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:47,920
Speaker 2: to be impactful there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, I will prognosticate on this one, and my prediction,

1191
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 4: as it continues to be a ping pong ball, that

1192
01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:57,040
Speaker 4: this administration will ask the Service to go back and

1193
01:09:57,080 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 4: look at it again and they'll find some merits for

1194
01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:04,840
Speaker 4: delisting based upon the science that's out there, and end

1195
01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 4: up back in the courts something too.

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01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:11,960
Speaker 3: I'd ask him like this, I'd say, find the areas

1197
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:15,800
Speaker 3: that have the most grizzly bears hit by cars or

1198
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:19,639
Speaker 3: lethally removed, and let's just look at those, and all

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01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:23,160
Speaker 3: the ones that don't have shockingly high numbers. We'll set

1200
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:25,120
Speaker 3: those areas aside for further review.

1201
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:29,240
Speaker 2: Right now, here's cal introducing like a whole new metric

1202
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:31,479
Speaker 2: and thing. When I just made a plea for sticking

1203
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:35,840
Speaker 2: with the conversation, now it's gonna be a vehicle collision conversation.

1204
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:36,400
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1205
01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:39,040
Speaker 3: I want people to be like, oh, holy shit, one

1206
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:43,519
Speaker 3: hundred and some grizzly bears get killed every every single year.

1207
01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:45,599
Speaker 3: I thought there were no grizzly bears.

1208
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:47,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, how they have any left?

1209
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:47,960
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1210
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:57,479
Speaker 2: Okay. Trump appointees yep, As far as I'm aware of

1211
01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:00,680
Speaker 2: his appointees, only one is with on. So they've been

1212
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:03,320
Speaker 2: having some good they've been having good success moving appointees

1213
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:11,439
Speaker 2: through the Interior department. Doug Bergham, he's a hunter, he is, right,

1214
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:16,080
Speaker 2: a successful businessman. He's a pretty popular governor. What's your

1215
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:18,160
Speaker 2: what's your take on what it's going to be like

1216
01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:22,720
Speaker 2: working with the Department of Interior going forward, and any

1217
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:25,000
Speaker 2: other and any other kind of news or opinions to

1218
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:27,080
Speaker 2: have about other appointees and who are people going to

1219
01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:29,120
Speaker 2: be what names are people going to be hearing a

1220
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:30,280
Speaker 2: lot in the next four years?

1221
01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:36,080
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, a lot of questions. Eric, We'll see if

1222
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 4: I can remember them all and get to first off, Bergham,

1223
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:40,559
Speaker 4: I think I think he's going to be really good

1224
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:44,920
Speaker 4: to work with. I don't have a lot of personal

1225
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:47,200
Speaker 4: experience with him, but some of our staff has worked

1226
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:50,479
Speaker 4: with him through Western Governors Association and some of those

1227
01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:55,880
Speaker 4: UH some of the groups through that, and it's been

1228
01:11:55,880 --> 01:12:00,519
Speaker 4: a positive experience. And we're hearing some names. It's probably

1229
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:03,800
Speaker 4: too early to say of people that UH worked with

1230
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:08,000
Speaker 4: him in North Dakota that were in the first Trump

1231
01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:10,439
Speaker 4: administration that will likely be coming back in So I

1232
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:13,840
Speaker 4: think there'll be some some known entities there. As you said,

1233
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:16,600
Speaker 4: he he is a hunter and fisherman. I actually was

1234
01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:20,559
Speaker 4: at a reception last week celebration of the Explorer Act

1235
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:24,960
Speaker 4: and Secretary Bergham showed up as his first public appearance

1236
01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:30,679
Speaker 4: since being confirmed UH and was there and he talked

1237
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:33,400
Speaker 4: personally about hunting and fishing and growing up and shared

1238
01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:36,479
Speaker 4: some personal stories and you can tell it's it's not

1239
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 4: just words with him in that regard, you know. He

1240
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:45,880
Speaker 4: he touched on at that a little bit about oil

1241
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 4: and gas and the mandate from the President for energy dominance,

1242
01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:53,200
Speaker 4: and he's also the energies are so he's going to

1243
01:12:53,200 --> 01:12:56,160
Speaker 4: play a role in that but what he highlighted there

1244
01:12:56,720 --> 01:13:01,200
Speaker 4: in this group of conservation minded folks in North Dakota,

1245
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 4: they grew to be the number three producer of oil

1246
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:08,439
Speaker 4: and gas in the country during his administration, and they

1247
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:13,679
Speaker 4: did that while only impacting one percent of the surface area.

1248
01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:19,240
Speaker 4: And so he's about technological advances to move these things forward.

1249
01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:22,360
Speaker 4: He's about finding the balance, and I truly I think

1250
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:25,400
Speaker 4: he's got the track record to show that on the

1251
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:30,559
Speaker 4: energy side of things. Within the Department of Interior, another

1252
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:33,880
Speaker 4: name that's out there is Kate McGregor is Deputy Secretary.

1253
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:36,840
Speaker 4: She's not been confirmed yet, but that's who they've put up.

1254
01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:41,360
Speaker 4: They'll start going to these second tier confirmations here in

1255
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:43,479
Speaker 4: the coming weeks once they get the main ones done.

1256
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:48,080
Speaker 4: Kate served in the same or similar role under the

1257
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:51,400
Speaker 4: first Trump administration, so she knows how the department works

1258
01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 4: and she's going to be able to bring some of

1259
01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:58,920
Speaker 4: that knowledge there into how it operates. And it's somebody

1260
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:02,240
Speaker 4: the TRC and the other organizations worked with in the

1261
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:05,479
Speaker 4: first Trump administration, So a known entity there.

1262
01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:08,000
Speaker 2: You know, let me wet something in there is from

1263
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:10,720
Speaker 2: a conversation you and I had this morning, is with

1264
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:14,200
Speaker 2: so much upheaval in the federal workforce right now.

1265
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:14,559
Speaker 4: Yep.

1266
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 2: We had talked about, you know, with the federal buyout

1267
01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:25,160
Speaker 2: reducing agencies, we've talked about a loss of institutional knowledge, correct,

1268
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:29,080
Speaker 2: And you had mentioned to me that some of these

1269
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:32,880
Speaker 2: secondary positions are going to wind up need to be

1270
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:35,759
Speaker 2: things you pay attention to, Like, are people coming into

1271
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:39,120
Speaker 2: some of these agencies that have a big conservation mandate

1272
01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:42,880
Speaker 2: or a big implication for conservation. Are some of the

1273
01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:47,040
Speaker 2: people that are coming in in leadership roles? How familiar

1274
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:50,599
Speaker 2: are they familiar? Are they with the agency? Do they

1275
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:55,160
Speaker 2: have a generally positive attitude toward conservation work within that agency?

1276
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:59,400
Speaker 2: Or in some cases, are they like complete outsiders who

1277
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:02,519
Speaker 2: are there more or to reduce and dismantle rather than

1278
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:05,519
Speaker 2: make more efficient and effective. Right, And that's just something

1279
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:06,920
Speaker 2: I guess we'll just have to wait and see on

1280
01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:08,400
Speaker 2: some of those issues, right.

1281
01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:09,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, we will have to wait and see.

1282
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:12,719
Speaker 4: I think Kate and her first time around, she generally

1283
01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 4: was good on her issues. Like I said, she understands it.

1284
01:15:16,240 --> 01:15:19,320
Speaker 4: She left the administration and she went to work for

1285
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:25,680
Speaker 4: an energy company, which incidentally was actually more based on

1286
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:28,440
Speaker 4: wind and solar than it was oil and gas. Huh.

1287
01:15:28,479 --> 01:15:31,120
Speaker 4: But so she's coming back in so she understands the

1288
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:33,759
Speaker 4: energy side of things. And you know, that's a huge

1289
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:39,920
Speaker 4: mandate with the Department of Interior. It's a huge agency, mining, minerals,

1290
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:43,479
Speaker 4: all of that stuff, water reclamation, Bureau of Reclamations in there.

1291
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:45,800
Speaker 4: We always think about it from the BLM and the

1292
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:47,920
Speaker 4: Fish and Wildlife Service, but there's a whole bunch of

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Speaker 4: other things that that secretary and that Deputy secretary have

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Speaker 4: to think about on top of that.

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Speaker 2: You know a thing that your predecessor at TRCP said

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Speaker 2: to me about Secretary Bernhardt that always stuck with me.

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Speaker 2: He had said he was talking about liking working with Bernhardt,

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Speaker 2: and he had an interesting thing he liked about him.

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Speaker 2: He's like, he doesn't waste your time, meaning when he

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01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:17,960
Speaker 2: tells you something, he tells you what he's going to do,

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01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:22,160
Speaker 2: and he doesn't pull the carpet off from under you.

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01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:25,640
Speaker 2: So it will allow you to be pretty focused in

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01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:30,040
Speaker 2: your ass where you didn't get like grinned along and

1304
01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:32,679
Speaker 2: then later realized that he was having a totally separate

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01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:36,120
Speaker 2: conversation and just leading you along. He said it allowed

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01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:39,200
Speaker 2: for a certain efficiency where he'd be like, you're not

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01:16:39,240 --> 01:16:41,320
Speaker 2: going to get anywhere on this, but if you'd like

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01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:43,840
Speaker 2: to talk about this, I'm all ears, yeah, right, it

1309
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:47,440
Speaker 2: let you be, let you sort of understand the landscape,

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01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:49,640
Speaker 2: right which I thought was just an interesting way to

1311
01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:54,040
Speaker 2: look at someone who is an ally and adversary and like,

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01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:56,559
Speaker 2: how efficient are you in figuring out where you line

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01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:58,160
Speaker 2: up and don't line up right? Well?

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Speaker 4: And that's a lot of what we're spending our time,

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01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:02,240
Speaker 4: not only t RCP, but everybody that works up there

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01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:04,120
Speaker 4: right now is trying to figure out as much as

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01:17:04,160 --> 01:17:06,760
Speaker 4: we can about these appointees and where they're going to

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01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:09,519
Speaker 4: land on that. And you know, there's a level of

1319
01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:11,880
Speaker 4: excitement when a known entity goes in there so that

1320
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:15,360
Speaker 4: you don't have to build the time creating the relationship

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01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:17,600
Speaker 4: and you can kind of know what their track record is.

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01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:22,240
Speaker 4: But somebody like Burgham, you know, we know a little

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01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:27,200
Speaker 4: bit about his track record. Beyond Bergham and McGregor that

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01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:29,519
Speaker 4: I mentioned, we're not hearing a lot of names for

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01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:33,120
Speaker 4: the next level down and the agency directors at this time.

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Speaker 4: It's still a little early to tell. In Department of

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01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:38,799
Speaker 4: ag it's you know, a little bit on the flip

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01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:43,160
Speaker 4: side there Brooke Rawlins is the new Secretary of AG there.

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01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:45,920
Speaker 4: She was in the first Trump administration, but in a

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01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:49,920
Speaker 4: very different role, had nothing to do with AG. She's

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01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 4: got a degree from Texas A and M, so she's

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01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:58,600
Speaker 4: an aggie in that regard. But she's been in the

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01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:02,400
Speaker 4: interim since last ministration. She's been part of the American

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01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:05,400
Speaker 4: First Policy Institute, or she was CEO of that, which

1335
01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:08,840
Speaker 4: is a conservative think tank. And in her first role,

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01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:14,439
Speaker 4: you know, she was really about what was it it

1337
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:19,400
Speaker 4: was ran the Domestic Policy Council during the first term,

1338
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:23,400
Speaker 4: which basically is his cabinet and helps to set the

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01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:27,160
Speaker 4: presidential agenda. And so it's been you know, she's not

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01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:30,400
Speaker 4: a known entity in the AG space, and we don't

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01:18:30,439 --> 01:18:32,759
Speaker 4: know who she's going to bring in. She hasn't worked

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01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:36,120
Speaker 4: in that space, so she doesn't have a bunch of

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01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:39,120
Speaker 4: people that she can pull from. But you know, they've

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01:18:39,680 --> 01:18:42,559
Speaker 4: named a few more people over there. Richard Fordyce is

1345
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:44,720
Speaker 4: one of the under secretaries. I think there's three under

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01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:47,519
Speaker 4: secretaries over there. Two of them we care about. One

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01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:52,759
Speaker 4: is for Farm Production and Conservation, which oversees Farm Services

1348
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:58,800
Speaker 4: Agency and the NRCS. Farm Services Agency implements CRP, the

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01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:02,760
Speaker 4: Natural Resources Concertvation Service or in our CS, implements the

1350
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:05,360
Speaker 4: rest of the conservation programs in the farm bill, So

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01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:09,439
Speaker 4: that's an important one for us. He's a farmer out

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01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:13,920
Speaker 4: of Missouri. He was administrator of Farm Service Agency in

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01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:17,040
Speaker 4: the first Trump administration, so he understands some of the

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01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:20,920
Speaker 4: egg policy and things like that, and apparently does a

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01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:25,320
Speaker 4: lot of conservation work on his own farm back in Missouri.

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Speaker 2: We had talked as well about the idea of reconciliation,

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01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:32,839
Speaker 2: which is something I hadn't given much thought to. Meaning

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01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:37,599
Speaker 2: we're hearing a lot about cuts, yep, right, like we have.

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01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:44,080
Speaker 2: I mean, we have like an existential problem in the

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01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:49,040
Speaker 2: country about a budget deficit and debt. Like all the

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01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:51,760
Speaker 2: money we're talking about, right, all this money we're talking

1362
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:55,439
Speaker 2: about that that we could spend on conservation. If you

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01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:58,080
Speaker 2: were gonna compare that the amount of money that this

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01:19:58,120 --> 01:20:02,439
Speaker 2: country spends servicing its debt, it's not it's nothing. We

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01:20:02,479 --> 01:20:07,000
Speaker 2: spend far more servicing our debt than we do on

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01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:09,920
Speaker 2: conservation by probably like some factor of hundreds.

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01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:13,080
Speaker 4: I don't know exactly what that number is, but the

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Speaker 4: amount of money of uh for you, I lost the term.

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01:20:19,320 --> 01:20:25,320
Speaker 4: I'm looking for but of the non obligated federal budget

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Speaker 4: goes to conservation.

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Speaker 2: Well, non obligated, yeah, it's it's.

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01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:34,800
Speaker 4: A non mandatory discretionary is the word I'm looking for.

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01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:38,880
Speaker 4: The discretionary budget goes to the conservation issues.

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01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:41,000
Speaker 2: So if you rolled in the total federal budget would

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01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:46,360
Speaker 2: be a much smaller fraction. So, uh, we have a

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01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:53,200
Speaker 2: problem with like with debt, no remedy, like any remedy

1377
01:20:53,479 --> 01:20:56,439
Speaker 2: is going to have a bunch of people pissed off.

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01:20:57,840 --> 01:21:01,599
Speaker 2: It's like, that's what's created the problem. We have it,

1379
01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:05,280
Speaker 2: and we so far we've just generally seen administration after

1380
01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:10,840
Speaker 2: administration after administration people can't stomach what it would take

1381
01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:14,040
Speaker 2: to fix it. Trump's in a similar bind. He's in

1382
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:18,719
Speaker 2: a similar bind because he can't go after and not can't.

1383
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:24,160
Speaker 2: It'd be politically detrimental to go after Social Security, Medicare,

1384
01:21:24,280 --> 01:21:29,040
Speaker 2: and Medicaid, right, So you wind up needing to fidget around,

1385
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:32,120
Speaker 2: to fidget around in these much smaller things when like

1386
01:21:32,479 --> 01:21:36,120
Speaker 2: seventy percent of the money is going to these things

1387
01:21:36,120 --> 01:21:40,680
Speaker 2: that it's political suicide to talk about entitlement spending. It's

1388
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:44,679
Speaker 2: political suicide. So you need to go after the less

1389
01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:47,960
Speaker 2: the areas with less friction, right, and you wind up

1390
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:50,599
Speaker 2: talking about little little chunks of money here and there

1391
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:53,000
Speaker 2: because you just can't talk about the big chunks of money.

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01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:56,160
Speaker 2: I'll tell you I watched an interview with Steve Bannon,

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01:21:56,200 --> 01:22:00,000
Speaker 2: who was in the early first Trump administration, was a huge,

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01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:05,519
Speaker 2: the impactful person. And so here's Bannon saying, you know,

1395
01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:08,240
Speaker 2: he was like a naval commander, right, he was in

1396
01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:09,960
Speaker 2: the navy, He's got kids in the military. He's like

1397
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:13,240
Speaker 2: establishing how hawkish he is. But he goes, and this

1398
01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:15,960
Speaker 2: is coming from me, we need to talk about the

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01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:18,960
Speaker 2: defense budget down the road. We need to talk about

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01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:20,760
Speaker 2: the social safety in that budget, because we're not going

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01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:24,040
Speaker 2: to get there with the kinds of things we're talking about.

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01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:26,479
Speaker 2: But to get back to the original point I was

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01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:28,519
Speaker 2: going to make is we can talk about places to

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01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:32,040
Speaker 2: save money, but you also the administration also needs to

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01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:35,840
Speaker 2: look at how you make money, right, Right, There's like

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01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:37,720
Speaker 2: you can cut out going, but what do you do

1407
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:39,720
Speaker 2: to bring it in? And one of the ways you

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01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:44,760
Speaker 2: can bring money in is leasing, right, and probably some

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01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:46,080
Speaker 2: other issues right.

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, for sure. And so yeah, when it comes

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01:22:48,680 --> 01:22:51,400
Speaker 4: to reconciliation, that's something that I don't know how much

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01:22:51,439 --> 01:22:54,160
Speaker 4: the sportsman's community is paying attention to. But it is

1413
01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:56,799
Speaker 4: certainly something that we're watching for a couple of reasons.

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01:22:57,880 --> 01:23:00,200
Speaker 4: One is, and we've talked about it several times, the

1415
01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:02,360
Speaker 4: slug of money that came out through Bill and IRA

1416
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:06,000
Speaker 4: that goes to conservation, that is from day one, been

1417
01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:09,400
Speaker 4: a target because of how it came about, because it

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01:23:09,439 --> 01:23:13,520
Speaker 4: has the climate connotations, because it was a Biden administration priority,

1419
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:16,120
Speaker 4: that's an area they're going to cut in. Anything that

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01:23:16,160 --> 01:23:18,920
Speaker 4: at least that hasn't been obligated right now is on

1421
01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:24,360
Speaker 4: the blocks to come back. The ten twelve, fourteen million

1422
01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:26,519
Speaker 4: that I talked about with the farm bill program earlier

1423
01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:30,000
Speaker 4: is part of that. That is the chance of getting

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01:23:30,120 --> 01:23:37,639
Speaker 4: recisioned back out to decrease spending. So that's one part

1425
01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:39,880
Speaker 4: of it. But then another part of it, as you said,

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01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:43,960
Speaker 4: is increasing the revenue. And so we've heard and I

1427
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:47,000
Speaker 4: don't know how serious it is. And so with reconciliation,

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01:23:47,080 --> 01:23:48,880
Speaker 4: it has to tie right back to the budget, and

1429
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:51,080
Speaker 4: so some of this may be a stretch, but if

1430
01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:53,240
Speaker 4: they can tie it back to revenues, it may not

1431
01:23:53,320 --> 01:23:56,200
Speaker 4: be a huge stretch. And so some big wins that

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01:23:56,240 --> 01:24:00,439
Speaker 4: the conservation community and TARRASEPA has had over the course

1433
01:24:00,479 --> 01:24:03,160
Speaker 4: of the last four and eight years having to do

1434
01:24:03,240 --> 01:24:09,240
Speaker 4: with mining. The Biden administration decided that they weren't going

1435
01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:12,240
Speaker 4: to permit a critical mineral's mind up in the Boundary

1436
01:24:12,240 --> 01:24:15,320
Speaker 4: Waters Canoe area of northern Minnesota. That's been something that's

1437
01:24:15,320 --> 01:24:16,880
Speaker 4: been going on for a long time, well in the

1438
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:22,320
Speaker 4: headwaters the headwaters, Yeah, thank you. That has specifically been

1439
01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:24,599
Speaker 4: mentioned that maybe we need to bring that back online

1440
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:28,040
Speaker 4: so the royalties we get from that Pebble mine, which

1441
01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:32,719
Speaker 4: Trump won when he was president before came out strongly

1442
01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:35,479
Speaker 4: against and said no, we're not going to do this.

1443
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:38,800
Speaker 4: We need to protect Bristol Bay. That one has specifically

1444
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:41,519
Speaker 4: been brought up by Congress as another one where let's

1445
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:43,519
Speaker 4: bring that back on and get the royalties to bring

1446
01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:46,200
Speaker 4: money in, to bring money in because of the royalties

1447
01:24:46,240 --> 01:24:50,160
Speaker 4: that eventually would come from that. And then another issue

1448
01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:53,000
Speaker 4: that TRCP and it's partners have worked on here over

1449
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:55,479
Speaker 4: the course of the last four years that the Biden

1450
01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:59,680
Speaker 4: administration was a champion on was the Ambler Road and

1451
01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:02,040
Speaker 4: the Brooks Range ere a two hundred and eleven mile

1452
01:25:02,160 --> 01:25:05,440
Speaker 4: road that would have three thousand stream crossings and bisect

1453
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:09,320
Speaker 4: the West Alaska Cariboo herd and just all of the

1454
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:13,800
Speaker 4: negative things that come from that in this largely undeveloped

1455
01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:17,439
Speaker 4: kind of the last bastion of wildness that this country has.

1456
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:21,479
Speaker 4: The BLM decided they weren't going to permit that. That's

1457
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:24,360
Speaker 4: something else that not only came up in the executive

1458
01:25:24,479 --> 01:25:28,439
Speaker 4: Order about unleashing Alaska's greatness, but it's also been mentioned

1459
01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:37,280
Speaker 4: as potentially coming in through reconciliation because we can open

1460
01:25:37,360 --> 01:25:41,120
Speaker 4: up that mine right well, that mine if it depending

1461
01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:44,559
Speaker 4: on how good it is. One of the documents from

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01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:46,400
Speaker 4: one of the companies doing it said, yeah, we want

1463
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:48,120
Speaker 4: to do this so week and send it all overseas

1464
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:50,120
Speaker 4: to be developed. Right So it's not even going to

1465
01:25:50,160 --> 01:25:52,800
Speaker 4: come back to our critical menus, but it would create

1466
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:56,160
Speaker 4: some royalties, so we're watching it for that. There's also

1467
01:25:56,200 --> 01:26:00,559
Speaker 4: a positive on this as well with reconciliation. So there

1468
01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:04,320
Speaker 4: is a loophole in the federal excise tax around archery

1469
01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:10,200
Speaker 4: equipment and fishing tackle that is being exploited right now

1470
01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:15,439
Speaker 4: by direct to consumer sales largely over the internet for

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01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:18,040
Speaker 4: products that are starting outside of the country. Whereas we

1472
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:20,320
Speaker 4: all know that through the Pittman Robertson Act and Daniel

1473
01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:24,839
Speaker 4: Johnson Act. There's an excise tax on firearms, ammunition, fishing tackle,

1474
01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:28,600
Speaker 4: et cetera. But what's happening right now is with that

1475
01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:34,120
Speaker 4: direct to consumer is not being taxed when it's purchased

1476
01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:37,080
Speaker 4: online and it's being shipped from outside of the country

1477
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:41,080
Speaker 4: into the country because it's the first first point of

1478
01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:44,439
Speaker 4: sale in the country. Is where that's collected. Oh really, yeah,

1479
01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:48,800
Speaker 4: And so that's about a seventeen million dollar bump that

1480
01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:51,400
Speaker 4: we think we could see for fish and wildlife conservation.

1481
01:26:52,200 --> 01:26:55,439
Speaker 4: That is, when you buy a fishing reel, or you

1482
01:26:55,439 --> 01:26:59,000
Speaker 4: buy a fishing tackle that's developed in China or arrow

1483
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:02,040
Speaker 4: shafts is another big one, and you buy them online

1484
01:27:02,040 --> 01:27:04,799
Speaker 4: and it gets shipped directly to your home. Nobody's collecting

1485
01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:07,479
Speaker 4: that tax. You're the one Steve that should be paying

1486
01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:10,080
Speaker 4: that because you're the first point of purchase on that.

1487
01:27:10,760 --> 01:27:13,560
Speaker 4: So there's legislation that's been in the talks, and I

1488
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:15,920
Speaker 4: think it's going to get introduced. There was talks that

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01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:18,160
Speaker 4: would be introduced last week or this week that would

1490
01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:23,760
Speaker 4: close that loophole and that would have a talk direct tie.

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01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:28,280
Speaker 3: To You're digging pretty hard for some blue sky there, Joel,

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01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:32,920
Speaker 3: do it, I can't. I mean, it's it's great. I

1493
01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:37,439
Speaker 3: think we could crowdsource seventeen million dollars if we really

1494
01:27:37,479 --> 01:27:44,879
Speaker 3: needed to against Ambler road, right, pebble mine, yeah, boundary

1495
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:49,559
Speaker 3: waters right. But I guess the efficiency part of this,

1496
01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:54,080
Speaker 3: right is I respect you well enough to bust your

1497
01:27:54,200 --> 01:28:00,519
Speaker 3: your your jobs a little fair the because we have

1498
01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:03,559
Speaker 3: seen so to go back to the farm bill, right, Like,

1499
01:28:03,560 --> 01:28:05,360
Speaker 3: the farm Bill is a big thing, and that's why

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Speaker 3: I was joking on. This is a layup deal, right,

1501
01:28:07,880 --> 01:28:11,800
Speaker 3: and it's a big complex package to the point where

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01:28:11,800 --> 01:28:14,960
Speaker 3: it needs like a lot of physical people on the

1503
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:18,760
Speaker 3: ground to facilitate that just the use of a lot

1504
01:28:18,760 --> 01:28:22,519
Speaker 3: of the programs within the farm bill. So you have

1505
01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:26,160
Speaker 3: a lot of users on the ground who are working outside,

1506
01:28:26,439 --> 01:28:29,800
Speaker 3: they're doing non techy things, and there's a system in

1507
01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:34,120
Speaker 3: place that is very onerous for these people to in

1508
01:28:34,160 --> 01:28:38,160
Speaker 3: their spare time try to access some of these programs

1509
01:28:38,160 --> 01:28:42,479
Speaker 3: that will greatly benefit them and their bottom line and

1510
01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:46,599
Speaker 3: for generations to come sometimes and that's a big barrier

1511
01:28:46,640 --> 01:28:49,400
Speaker 3: to entry. So there's a lot of people involved in

1512
01:28:49,439 --> 01:28:53,280
Speaker 3: the farm bill that work on the farm bill. My

1513
01:28:53,400 --> 01:28:57,559
Speaker 3: understanding is all these people just got a notice that said, hey,

1514
01:28:57,600 --> 01:29:00,240
Speaker 3: if you want to retire early, you can hit the

1515
01:29:00,280 --> 01:29:01,880
Speaker 3: easy button and go right now.

1516
01:29:02,840 --> 01:29:06,240
Speaker 2: In regards to which has not had widespread adoption, No,

1517
01:29:06,520 --> 01:29:08,320
Speaker 2: it went out to two point five million, and I

1518
01:29:08,360 --> 01:29:09,160
Speaker 2: think there are sixty.

1519
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:17,760
Speaker 3: Secretary Berghum all of his people in Interior got the

1520
01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:23,960
Speaker 3: same notice. And at the same time what we were

1521
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:28,400
Speaker 3: just talking about, right, wants to review, officially review every

1522
01:29:28,479 --> 01:29:31,840
Speaker 3: national monument going back to President Theodore Roosevelt in nineteen

1523
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:36,000
Speaker 3: oh six, So basically anything that was used in the

1524
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:41,640
Speaker 3: the Antiquities Act, every mineral withdrawal, which obviously is what

1525
01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:46,840
Speaker 3: we just talked about, and every BLM Resource Management Plan

1526
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:52,040
Speaker 3: which ties into ample road. I mean, pick one of those.

1527
01:29:52,640 --> 01:29:57,599
Speaker 3: And I can't imagine how many physical people it would

1528
01:29:57,600 --> 01:30:01,120
Speaker 3: take to accomplish a full review of just one.

1529
01:30:01,320 --> 01:30:04,599
Speaker 2: Right, So yeah, like, do.

1530
01:30:04,600 --> 01:30:06,479
Speaker 3: We know that the right hand is talking to the

1531
01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:08,080
Speaker 3: left hand in Washington?

1532
01:30:08,200 --> 01:30:10,960
Speaker 2: Right? No, I think it's unclear. And I and on

1533
01:30:11,080 --> 01:30:14,840
Speaker 2: the federal employee thing, when I looked at I saw

1534
01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:19,920
Speaker 2: someone put in line with normal annual turnover is I

1535
01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:21,719
Speaker 2: can't remember what it was in excess of one hundred

1536
01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:25,760
Speaker 2: thousand normal annual turnover at the federal of that two

1537
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:29,320
Speaker 2: point five million federal employees normal annual turnovers one fifteen.

1538
01:30:29,360 --> 01:30:33,880
Speaker 2: I'm looking at rand I don't know, yeah, check, But

1539
01:30:34,880 --> 01:30:36,559
Speaker 2: I mean I think that the point being I just

1540
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:37,280
Speaker 2: think that it was.

1541
01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:40,559
Speaker 3: Like, you can see it as a positive like this

1542
01:30:40,720 --> 01:30:42,200
Speaker 3: they're more loyal, well.

1543
01:30:42,160 --> 01:30:45,120
Speaker 2: Well as a positive negative. I just viewed it as

1544
01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:47,240
Speaker 2: I thought that number of you wig the hell higher,

1545
01:30:47,400 --> 01:30:50,000
Speaker 2: especially when I looked at what normal turnover is. Yeah,

1546
01:30:50,040 --> 01:30:52,880
Speaker 2: then it'll wind up being as much as that's gotten

1547
01:30:52,920 --> 01:30:55,080
Speaker 2: a lot of media attention, it'll wind up being kind

1548
01:30:55,080 --> 01:30:57,759
Speaker 2: of like a non event. It's also changing.

1549
01:30:57,840 --> 01:30:59,680
Speaker 5: It's all there's nothing behind it. I mean they just

1550
01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:03,600
Speaker 5: got an email. There's no there's no promise, right, like,

1551
01:31:03,640 --> 01:31:05,479
Speaker 5: there's nothing. I mean, I think that's the thing is

1552
01:31:05,479 --> 01:31:06,439
Speaker 5: it's sort of an io you.

1553
01:31:08,160 --> 01:31:09,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd be scared.

1554
01:31:10,160 --> 01:31:11,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean there's no I mean, you like.

1555
01:31:11,800 --> 01:31:13,599
Speaker 2: To take the deal, I'd be like, can I get

1556
01:31:13,640 --> 01:31:14,519
Speaker 2: my money up front?

1557
01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:17,479
Speaker 3: It's not exactly a pad on the back, yeah, right,

1558
01:31:17,720 --> 01:31:19,960
Speaker 3: you know, it's like we all the you know, the

1559
01:31:20,240 --> 01:31:24,679
Speaker 3: federal government gets summed up just like that, all the feds, right, Yeah.

1560
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:28,960
Speaker 3: And the more time you spend outside, the more interaction

1561
01:31:29,080 --> 01:31:34,280
Speaker 3: you have with federal employees, and holy cow, are there's

1562
01:31:34,400 --> 01:31:40,920
Speaker 3: like some phenomenally good, dedicated federal employees that deal with

1563
01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:43,920
Speaker 3: a lot of sometimes literal human shit.

1564
01:31:45,520 --> 01:31:48,040
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of the opposite for sure.

1565
01:31:48,479 --> 01:31:53,920
Speaker 3: How many of the good ones go oh boy, these

1566
01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:58,439
Speaker 3: guys don't have our back. It's like a self fulfilling prophecy, right.

1567
01:32:01,160 --> 01:32:04,880
Speaker 2: I think that one one thing, that one point way

1568
01:32:04,920 --> 01:32:07,800
Speaker 2: you got to hand it to the administration is they're

1569
01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:14,800
Speaker 2: moving so fast that it it leaves you stuttering, right,

1570
01:32:15,360 --> 01:32:18,880
Speaker 2: You're like, oh, you can't tell what's going on? So

1571
01:32:19,520 --> 01:32:25,200
Speaker 2: and looking at trying to understand executive orders, right, and

1572
01:32:25,240 --> 01:32:32,960
Speaker 2: other things. I find myself waiting for the dusta settle

1573
01:32:32,960 --> 01:32:36,880
Speaker 2: a little bit to see like like, you know, I'm

1574
01:32:36,920 --> 01:32:41,960
Speaker 2: opposed to Ambler Road project just taking Alaska. I'mposed of

1575
01:32:41,960 --> 01:32:44,439
Speaker 2: the pebble mine project. I don't think that they should

1576
01:32:44,479 --> 01:32:47,559
Speaker 2: drill Anmar. So you see the executive orders coming and

1577
01:32:47,640 --> 01:32:51,360
Speaker 2: I kind of just wind up mentally hitting pause a

1578
01:32:51,400 --> 01:32:56,680
Speaker 2: minute to understand how much of this is, Like how

1579
01:32:57,200 --> 01:33:03,120
Speaker 2: what is symbolism? What's really going on? Where is their industry?

1580
01:33:03,479 --> 01:33:07,720
Speaker 2: Where is there even industry buy in industry possibility at

1581
01:33:07,720 --> 01:33:11,439
Speaker 2: the state level, what's the political mood, what is the

1582
01:33:11,479 --> 01:33:16,120
Speaker 2: permitting process? No administration lasts forever. Some things just take forever.

1583
01:33:17,800 --> 01:33:21,519
Speaker 2: What happens in two years, Like depending on how the

1584
01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:25,479
Speaker 2: midterms go, how much of this stuff unravels if the

1585
01:33:25,640 --> 01:33:29,519
Speaker 2: normal thing plays out where you normally, you know, it's

1586
01:33:30,600 --> 01:33:35,439
Speaker 2: a majority of times a president in the midterms loses,

1587
01:33:35,960 --> 01:33:38,920
Speaker 2: loses whatever their existing majorities are in the House and Senate.

1588
01:33:39,320 --> 01:33:42,559
Speaker 2: So like, all of this stuff happening, and I catch

1589
01:33:42,600 --> 01:33:45,760
Speaker 2: myself being like, oh, just just hold on a sec.

1590
01:33:46,280 --> 01:33:49,040
Speaker 2: I'm trying to understand what's going on. Yeah, like, what

1591
01:33:49,080 --> 01:33:49,360
Speaker 2: do you.

1592
01:33:49,320 --> 01:33:52,400
Speaker 3: Care about the words coming out of your mouth being true?

1593
01:33:53,360 --> 01:33:54,719
Speaker 3: That is a smart thing to do.

1594
01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:59,760
Speaker 2: Yes, But then I also sit there thinking, I also

1595
01:33:59,840 --> 01:34:04,080
Speaker 2: say that they're thinking to myself, there are things that

1596
01:34:05,960 --> 01:34:08,919
Speaker 2: you know, there's things the administration is doing that I applaud,

1597
01:34:09,000 --> 01:34:11,439
Speaker 2: and there's things the administration is doing that I'm very

1598
01:34:11,479 --> 01:34:15,080
Speaker 2: nervous about. And I don't want to find that I'm

1599
01:34:15,240 --> 01:34:17,760
Speaker 2: so on the things that I'm uneasy with or the

1600
01:34:17,800 --> 01:34:20,800
Speaker 2: things that I oppose. I don't want it to be

1601
01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:23,479
Speaker 2: that like everyone waits too long to try to get

1602
01:34:23,479 --> 01:34:27,840
Speaker 2: their bearings and then realize that you missed your chance

1603
01:34:27,880 --> 01:34:29,440
Speaker 2: to go Hey, wait a minute.

1604
01:34:29,200 --> 01:34:31,679
Speaker 5: Yeah, I guarantee you the I guarantee you. The ambler

1605
01:34:31,800 --> 01:34:34,120
Speaker 5: roade people and the pebble mind people are not waiting

1606
01:34:34,120 --> 01:34:37,439
Speaker 5: for the dust to settle, you know, they're not waiting

1607
01:34:37,479 --> 01:34:39,600
Speaker 5: to see what happens in two years. Their foot on

1608
01:34:39,640 --> 01:34:40,360
Speaker 5: the gas right now.

1609
01:34:41,560 --> 01:34:44,200
Speaker 2: It'd be like Colorado on the wolf thing. Yeah, they

1610
01:34:44,200 --> 01:34:47,080
Speaker 2: get the votes and wolves. Yeah.

1611
01:34:47,120 --> 01:34:49,960
Speaker 3: And I will say, like, hats off to the administration

1612
01:34:50,160 --> 01:34:54,440
Speaker 3: for the strategy, right, Like it is an effective strategy.

1613
01:34:54,640 --> 01:34:57,720
Speaker 3: We're gonna throw so much stuff out there, yeah, that

1614
01:34:58,400 --> 01:35:00,799
Speaker 3: everybody is going to be like, oh my, oh that's illegal.

1615
01:35:00,920 --> 01:35:03,920
Speaker 3: Wait is it illegal? Let's be sure about that. Can

1616
01:35:03,960 --> 01:35:07,240
Speaker 3: somebody look that up. Let's let's make sure. Oh there's

1617
01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:10,120
Speaker 3: another thing today. Oh there's another thing at two am today,

1618
01:35:10,240 --> 01:35:12,679
Speaker 3: this tweet just went out. We got to make sure

1619
01:35:13,160 --> 01:35:15,960
Speaker 3: what we can do, what our actions are. And some

1620
01:35:16,040 --> 01:35:17,600
Speaker 3: of this stuff is going to stick. I think a

1621
01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:21,160
Speaker 3: lot of it is not going to stick. But it's

1622
01:35:21,200 --> 01:35:23,400
Speaker 3: a hell of a good strategy, right. And I think

1623
01:35:23,400 --> 01:35:28,800
Speaker 3: from a conservation point of view, you gotta you can't

1624
01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:33,360
Speaker 3: say everything's on fire all the time, because you can't

1625
01:35:33,560 --> 01:35:38,280
Speaker 3: get people to show up all the time for everything,

1626
01:35:39,200 --> 01:35:42,120
Speaker 3: Like you got to choose your fires and say, gang,

1627
01:35:42,360 --> 01:35:45,880
Speaker 3: this one's the real one, and we got to show

1628
01:35:45,960 --> 01:35:49,439
Speaker 3: up for this and and you know, yeah, some groups

1629
01:35:49,479 --> 01:35:51,760
Speaker 3: are drawing some lines in the sand already. I think

1630
01:35:51,800 --> 01:35:54,280
Speaker 3: a lot of folks are trying to be patient. It's

1631
01:35:54,400 --> 01:35:59,400
Speaker 3: it's tough though, because it it's scary, Like there's a

1632
01:35:59,439 --> 01:36:01,960
Speaker 3: lot going on on right now, and one of those

1633
01:36:02,040 --> 01:36:06,559
Speaker 3: ambler road boundary waters pebble mind. I mean, we've already

1634
01:36:06,600 --> 01:36:12,559
Speaker 3: had generation of conservation minded people work the majority of

1635
01:36:12,600 --> 01:36:13,880
Speaker 3: their lives on some of this stuff.

1636
01:36:14,080 --> 01:36:18,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, to give return it back order, Joel make because

1637
01:36:18,760 --> 01:36:20,720
Speaker 2: it's gonna be his job. Joel's job is going to

1638
01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:24,519
Speaker 2: be sorting all this out. But you know, earlier I

1639
01:36:24,560 --> 01:36:27,080
Speaker 2: was making the point, and I want to clarify this

1640
01:36:27,160 --> 01:36:32,599
Speaker 2: is very much me talking and not Joel talking. Earlier. Wait,

1641
01:36:33,680 --> 01:36:35,439
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say anything in sundiary. I'm just talking

1642
01:36:35,439 --> 01:36:37,800
Speaker 2: about like and trying to understand the ass Is any

1643
01:36:37,800 --> 01:36:39,960
Speaker 2: of this putting you in a bad position? No, no,

1644
01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:46,360
Speaker 2: not yet. Earlier it won't at all. But remember earlier

1645
01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:48,360
Speaker 2: I was making the joke about I was talking about

1646
01:36:48,400 --> 01:36:50,160
Speaker 2: when I tell my kids, like listen, I'm gonna run

1647
01:36:50,280 --> 01:36:53,000
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take everyone's iPads and run them over the driveway.

1648
01:36:53,800 --> 01:36:58,640
Speaker 2: And and it's meant to be that. They go like, well,

1649
01:36:58,640 --> 01:37:02,400
Speaker 2: he's not gonna do that, but he's here something some

1650
01:37:02,400 --> 01:37:05,880
Speaker 2: some lesser version is gonna happen right now, Like they're

1651
01:37:05,880 --> 01:37:08,439
Speaker 2: going in the gun safe is probably what's gonna happen.

1652
01:37:09,520 --> 01:37:12,160
Speaker 2: It's probably what they're thinking, the iPads, not the kids. No, no, yeah,

1653
01:37:12,200 --> 01:37:14,439
Speaker 2: Like I say I'm gonna run them over. In their head,

1654
01:37:14,439 --> 01:37:17,120
Speaker 2: they're like, this is gonna settle out where my iPad's

1655
01:37:17,120 --> 01:37:19,640
Speaker 2: in the gun safe right for like two weeks, like

1656
01:37:19,680 --> 01:37:22,120
Speaker 2: I can see where this is going. So with a

1657
01:37:22,160 --> 01:37:24,360
Speaker 2: lot of things and trying to get in like a

1658
01:37:24,360 --> 01:37:27,920
Speaker 2: lot of things, are trying to understand how President Trump

1659
01:37:27,960 --> 01:37:32,000
Speaker 2: operates and how he thinks is when is he doing

1660
01:37:32,040 --> 01:37:37,240
Speaker 2: that I'm gonna run over all the iPads. When Trump

1661
01:37:37,240 --> 01:37:41,360
Speaker 2: said I'm gonna empty we're straying way away from conservation.

1662
01:37:41,439 --> 01:37:44,120
Speaker 2: I'm making up a conservation point. When Trump says I'm

1663
01:37:44,120 --> 01:37:47,479
Speaker 2: gonna empty Gaza, I'm gonna empty Gaza and we're gonna

1664
01:37:47,479 --> 01:37:50,639
Speaker 2: build a resort. He I think it's like I'm gonna

1665
01:37:50,680 --> 01:37:54,040
Speaker 2: run over all the iPads. That's about where I'm at, right,

1666
01:37:54,760 --> 01:37:56,880
Speaker 2: and anyone that has a stake in that is listening

1667
01:37:56,880 --> 01:38:02,439
Speaker 2: and being like, man, a minimum, the iPads are going

1668
01:38:02,479 --> 01:38:05,120
Speaker 2: in the gun safe. Right. It's a way of sort

1669
01:38:05,160 --> 01:38:07,240
Speaker 2: of like it's a it's a way of communicating of

1670
01:38:07,320 --> 01:38:15,720
Speaker 2: saying I'm at a point where I'm gonna do something major, right, Yeah,

1671
01:38:15,960 --> 01:38:18,559
Speaker 2: So that's part of the thing is like him saying

1672
01:38:20,040 --> 01:38:23,080
Speaker 2: energy like if we look at like energy extraction, you know,

1673
01:38:23,160 --> 01:38:26,080
Speaker 2: if we look like like energy dominance such as and

1674
01:38:26,120 --> 01:38:30,599
Speaker 2: you just throw out like such as ambler, pebble mind,

1675
01:38:31,080 --> 01:38:35,120
Speaker 2: boundary waters. Is that running shit over in the driveway

1676
01:38:36,560 --> 01:38:38,639
Speaker 2: or does that wind up being that they're going into

1677
01:38:38,680 --> 01:38:41,840
Speaker 2: the gun set. Yeah, they're going to the gun safe.

1678
01:38:42,040 --> 01:38:45,120
Speaker 2: And that's what's so bewildering to me personally.

1679
01:38:45,439 --> 01:38:47,840
Speaker 4: It is. But you know, there's another twist on this

1680
01:38:48,000 --> 01:38:52,000
Speaker 4: because when I'm talking about pebble mine and boundary water

1681
01:38:52,080 --> 01:38:55,920
Speaker 4: is an ambler in reconciliation that's congressional. So now you've

1682
01:38:55,920 --> 01:38:59,720
Speaker 4: got not just the administration saying we ought to think

1683
01:38:59,720 --> 01:39:01,760
Speaker 4: about this, but you've got Congress doing it, and you

1684
01:39:01,800 --> 01:39:05,320
Speaker 4: start getting that synergy there, it's going to be even harder, right,

1685
01:39:05,439 --> 01:39:08,559
Speaker 4: And so we're trying to be measured in our approach

1686
01:39:08,640 --> 01:39:10,719
Speaker 4: right now. We're trying to be measured in what we say.

1687
01:39:11,439 --> 01:39:14,360
Speaker 4: We've had several of our partners that have wanted to

1688
01:39:14,400 --> 01:39:17,960
Speaker 4: be very vocal against some things that have come out already,

1689
01:39:18,040 --> 01:39:21,600
Speaker 4: and it's like, you know, let's just hold on not

1690
01:39:22,040 --> 01:39:24,640
Speaker 4: waiting too long. To your point, we can't do that.

1691
01:39:25,280 --> 01:39:28,080
Speaker 4: But you know, we haven't even had to sit down

1692
01:39:28,520 --> 01:39:32,479
Speaker 4: with Secretary Burgham as a community to say, here's the

1693
01:39:32,479 --> 01:39:35,160
Speaker 4: things that we really care about. Here's our top ten issues.

1694
01:39:35,240 --> 01:39:39,720
Speaker 4: Right where are you on these? We shouldn't go in

1695
01:39:39,720 --> 01:39:41,880
Speaker 4: there and say we don't like this, don't do it

1696
01:39:41,920 --> 01:39:43,560
Speaker 4: now before we even know what the lay of the

1697
01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:44,000
Speaker 4: land is.

1698
01:39:44,120 --> 01:39:46,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it might backfire, right, and you.

1699
01:39:46,560 --> 01:39:53,240
Speaker 4: Know, just thinking about Alaska and unleashing Alaska's energy dominance.

1700
01:39:53,240 --> 01:39:55,400
Speaker 4: Whatever the title of that one was, it's like.

1701
01:39:55,320 --> 01:39:56,880
Speaker 2: That really dramatic title.

1702
01:39:57,120 --> 01:40:04,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've got it somewhere, but it's spectacular it is. Yeah,

1703
01:40:04,280 --> 01:40:07,360
Speaker 4: But there's like thirty different things that he identifies in there. Well,

1704
01:40:07,400 --> 01:40:10,240
Speaker 4: which ones of those are gonna filter to the top.

1705
01:40:10,800 --> 01:40:15,240
Speaker 4: Which ones will trcp's voice make a difference in, Because

1706
01:40:15,280 --> 01:40:17,360
Speaker 4: if we're not going to move the needle on it.

1707
01:40:17,360 --> 01:40:19,880
Speaker 4: There's probably no sense in wasting the political capital on

1708
01:40:19,960 --> 01:40:24,120
Speaker 4: it and save it for those things like Pebble Mind

1709
01:40:24,160 --> 01:40:27,960
Speaker 4: and Ambler Road that TRCP and our broader community have

1710
01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:31,120
Speaker 4: worked so hard on for so long to really try

1711
01:40:31,160 --> 01:40:33,840
Speaker 4: to put the stake in the ground on those when

1712
01:40:33,880 --> 01:40:34,599
Speaker 4: the time is right.

1713
01:40:35,040 --> 01:40:39,920
Speaker 5: But I think one aspect of working for TRCP that

1714
01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:45,200
Speaker 5: I hadn't really appreciated as an outsider is like, you

1715
01:40:45,320 --> 01:40:49,000
Speaker 5: have to work with both sides of the aisle, and

1716
01:40:49,520 --> 01:40:50,640
Speaker 5: it does that's.

1717
01:40:50,320 --> 01:40:54,400
Speaker 3: The literal job. Yeah you can't. Yeah no, I mean, like, like, no,

1718
01:40:54,680 --> 01:40:55,000
Speaker 3: it's a.

1719
01:40:54,920 --> 01:40:56,880
Speaker 2: Good point it Yeah no.

1720
01:40:56,960 --> 01:41:01,400
Speaker 5: I mean, but like there's people that when Biden's in office,

1721
01:41:01,439 --> 01:41:04,840
Speaker 5: they're saying, you know, tiercp's working with Biden and doing X,

1722
01:41:04,960 --> 01:41:06,920
Speaker 5: Y and Z, and if you don't like Biden, you

1723
01:41:06,960 --> 01:41:10,880
Speaker 5: don't like what tiercp's doing. And then if this administration

1724
01:41:11,040 --> 01:41:13,800
Speaker 5: comes in and you work on priorities that you have

1725
01:41:13,880 --> 01:41:16,320
Speaker 5: with this new administration, say, oh, they're just bending over

1726
01:41:16,360 --> 01:41:19,599
Speaker 5: to Trump, you know. And so I think, like it's

1727
01:41:19,680 --> 01:41:22,800
Speaker 5: easy if you're not trying to get access to the

1728
01:41:22,840 --> 01:41:25,880
Speaker 5: Secretary of the Interior, it's easy to sort of sit

1729
01:41:25,920 --> 01:41:28,320
Speaker 5: back in the cheap seats and you know, take a

1730
01:41:28,320 --> 01:41:30,559
Speaker 5: flamethroat or whatever you don't like coming out of DC.

1731
01:41:30,760 --> 01:41:36,120
Speaker 5: But I having worked for TIERCP, I appreciate the position

1732
01:41:36,280 --> 01:41:38,880
Speaker 5: that you're in because you need to have influence no

1733
01:41:38,880 --> 01:41:42,200
Speaker 5: matter who's sitting behind that desk, right, And so it's

1734
01:41:42,240 --> 01:41:45,840
Speaker 5: a matter of aligning your priorities with their priorities and

1735
01:41:45,880 --> 01:41:49,200
Speaker 5: finding where you can work on things. And then that

1736
01:41:49,840 --> 01:41:54,599
Speaker 5: cooperation is what gives you the leverage to in turn say, actually,

1737
01:41:55,240 --> 01:41:57,559
Speaker 5: pebblemind is a red line for us, you know, and

1738
01:41:57,600 --> 01:42:00,760
Speaker 5: so it's like you have to pick those those battles strategically.

1739
01:42:01,040 --> 01:42:03,920
Speaker 4: Yeah. No, that's that's exactly where we are, where we've

1740
01:42:03,960 --> 01:42:07,160
Speaker 4: been for a long time. And you know, there's groups

1741
01:42:07,160 --> 01:42:10,719
Speaker 4: out there, not so much in the direct conservation space,

1742
01:42:10,840 --> 01:42:13,800
Speaker 4: but there are groups out there that we're just going

1743
01:42:13,880 --> 01:42:17,000
Speaker 4: to refuse to work with Trump because he's Trump, and

1744
01:42:17,320 --> 01:42:19,800
Speaker 4: they're not going to see any of their priorities go

1745
01:42:19,920 --> 01:42:21,559
Speaker 4: anywhere for the next four years and.

1746
01:42:21,560 --> 01:42:24,000
Speaker 2: Well potentially eight. I mean I'm not saying with Trump,

1747
01:42:24,000 --> 01:42:28,679
Speaker 2: but I mean I if Trump, you know, if.

1748
01:42:28,560 --> 01:42:30,760
Speaker 3: True can put some policies in place.

1749
01:42:30,760 --> 01:42:33,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that are long last But I was even saying, like,

1750
01:42:33,520 --> 01:42:36,440
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's it's fairly common for an administration

1751
01:42:36,520 --> 01:42:40,320
Speaker 2: to continue on under a new you know, under new leadership,

1752
01:42:40,479 --> 01:42:42,840
Speaker 2: with the priorities to continue. So you know, it's not

1753
01:42:43,360 --> 01:42:48,759
Speaker 2: no one really knows, but you could have, you know, basically,

1754
01:42:49,520 --> 01:42:52,640
Speaker 2: you know, presume me as Jade Vance, you'd have like

1755
01:42:52,720 --> 01:42:55,720
Speaker 2: basically a Trump three point zero. And if you're going

1756
01:42:55,800 --> 01:42:58,080
Speaker 2: to go and cry in the corner because you don't

1757
01:42:58,120 --> 01:43:01,320
Speaker 2: want to deal with the right, uh, you might be

1758
01:43:01,360 --> 01:43:04,759
Speaker 2: sitting in that corner a very long time right right now.

1759
01:43:04,840 --> 01:43:08,360
Speaker 5: And I have I mean I have like memories of

1760
01:43:08,640 --> 01:43:11,640
Speaker 5: when I was working at TRCP talking to somebody like

1761
01:43:12,160 --> 01:43:15,559
Speaker 5: at a bar not who's not working in conservation space.

1762
01:43:15,600 --> 01:43:19,360
Speaker 5: But they're like you, you guys are working with this

1763
01:43:19,439 --> 01:43:22,599
Speaker 5: individual or you're sending out a press release with with

1764
01:43:22,680 --> 01:43:27,000
Speaker 5: this individual's office, like I thought they were against conservations,

1765
01:43:27,040 --> 01:43:30,839
Speaker 5: Like well on this bill, they're in the right space,

1766
01:43:31,040 --> 01:43:34,880
Speaker 5: you know. And so it's like you can't close too

1767
01:43:34,880 --> 01:43:35,680
Speaker 5: many doors and.

1768
01:43:35,640 --> 01:43:36,519
Speaker 2: Still be effective.

1769
01:43:37,479 --> 01:43:40,040
Speaker 5: So I don't know, I don't know who I'm talking

1770
01:43:40,040 --> 01:43:43,360
Speaker 5: to there, maybe just the yeah no. But I mean

1771
01:43:43,400 --> 01:43:47,639
Speaker 5: it's like it's like there's when everything is political, when

1772
01:43:47,640 --> 01:43:50,400
Speaker 5: everything's political if you work with somebody on one side,

1773
01:43:50,720 --> 01:43:54,200
Speaker 5: like there's a large part of the public that turns

1774
01:43:54,240 --> 01:43:57,679
Speaker 5: you into a bad guy. And that's if you want

1775
01:43:57,680 --> 01:44:00,559
Speaker 5: to be effective in Washington. That's just not like an option.

1776
01:44:00,840 --> 01:44:02,880
Speaker 5: So I don't know all that to say. I respect

1777
01:44:02,920 --> 01:44:05,120
Speaker 5: the way that the RCP does well, it puts you

1778
01:44:05,160 --> 01:44:07,040
Speaker 5: in an uncomfortable position a lot of times.

1779
01:44:07,320 --> 01:44:09,320
Speaker 2: I'll put it like I want to add to what

1780
01:44:09,360 --> 01:44:16,160
Speaker 2: you're saying a little bit because the focus is so broad. Yeah,

1781
01:44:16,240 --> 01:44:18,800
Speaker 2: when we're talking about conservation, like the focus is huge.

1782
01:44:18,840 --> 01:44:22,559
Speaker 2: There's things that live under conservation that you know are

1783
01:44:22,760 --> 01:44:25,800
Speaker 2: are sort of like cousins to conservation. But it's a

1784
01:44:25,920 --> 01:44:30,200
Speaker 2: huge area. Right. If you're if you're an organization, let's

1785
01:44:30,240 --> 01:44:33,519
Speaker 2: just say you're a gun rights organization, there's not going

1786
01:44:33,600 --> 01:44:35,920
Speaker 2: to be really any way, Like you're not going to

1787
01:44:36,040 --> 01:44:40,559
Speaker 2: go if you're focus singularly on defending Second Amendment rights,

1788
01:44:40,640 --> 01:44:43,080
Speaker 2: you're not going to have the conversation with the Biden administration.

1789
01:44:43,120 --> 01:44:45,240
Speaker 2: There's kind of like nothing to talk about. You're gonna

1790
01:44:45,280 --> 01:44:46,480
Speaker 2: be like just resistance.

1791
01:44:46,560 --> 01:44:47,560
Speaker 5: You're gonna be fundraising.

1792
01:44:47,680 --> 01:44:50,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, you get you're like fundraising and resistance because you

1793
01:44:50,439 --> 01:44:55,960
Speaker 2: have a a small area of focus in conservation, there's

1794
01:44:56,000 --> 01:44:59,679
Speaker 2: so many different aspects to it, and servicing American hunters

1795
01:44:59,680 --> 01:45:02,360
Speaker 2: and agy, there's so many different aspects to it. You

1796
01:45:02,479 --> 01:45:04,840
Speaker 2: need to at any given time be able to be

1797
01:45:05,640 --> 01:45:10,840
Speaker 2: push and pull because there's gonna be things within a

1798
01:45:10,960 --> 01:45:13,800
Speaker 2: right linging administration that are going to be like easy

1799
01:45:13,840 --> 01:45:18,160
Speaker 2: wins for you. You know, access on refuges and it's not

1800
01:45:18,200 --> 01:45:21,080
Speaker 2: technically conservation, but it fits into that, it fits into

1801
01:45:21,120 --> 01:45:24,120
Speaker 2: the interests of hunters and anglers, right, So you got

1802
01:45:24,160 --> 01:45:26,360
Speaker 2: you always got to be ready to there's so many

1803
01:45:26,479 --> 01:45:29,960
Speaker 2: issues you've got to be ready to, like pick your

1804
01:45:30,120 --> 01:45:32,680
Speaker 2: moment and find the allies where you find them and

1805
01:45:32,720 --> 01:45:34,600
Speaker 2: then do like a push poll thing because it's not

1806
01:45:34,760 --> 01:45:36,519
Speaker 2: I don't think you can really afford to just burn

1807
01:45:36,560 --> 01:45:39,639
Speaker 2: stuff down now. You become irrelevant for too long.

1808
01:45:40,000 --> 01:45:42,519
Speaker 4: Right, or you irrelevant for a few years and then

1809
01:45:42,800 --> 01:45:45,840
Speaker 4: you're either fundraising or you're just totally irrelevant.

1810
01:45:45,920 --> 01:45:46,120
Speaker 2: Right.

1811
01:45:46,479 --> 01:45:49,439
Speaker 4: And but trcp's track record over the last two plus

1812
01:45:49,479 --> 01:45:52,360
Speaker 4: decades has been able to get stuff done no matter

1813
01:45:52,400 --> 01:45:55,800
Speaker 4: who's in there. And that's something that I'm really proud of.

1814
01:45:55,840 --> 01:45:59,200
Speaker 4: It's something that drew me to this Organization's the ability

1815
01:45:59,439 --> 01:46:01,479
Speaker 4: to do that and have that kind of influence and

1816
01:46:02,000 --> 01:46:03,880
Speaker 4: work on the variety of issues that we do.

1817
01:46:06,040 --> 01:46:10,280
Speaker 2: A thing that draws me to TRCP, and there's a

1818
01:46:10,320 --> 01:46:12,559
Speaker 2: lot of ways to push conservation, but the thing that

1819
01:46:12,880 --> 01:46:17,080
Speaker 2: draws me to the way TRCP handles conservation is you

1820
01:46:17,080 --> 01:46:20,560
Speaker 2: guys have this every year, you have a Capital Conservation

1821
01:46:20,600 --> 01:46:24,479
Speaker 2: Awards dinner. And it's like, I mean, it's ad mentally

1822
01:46:25,360 --> 01:46:30,160
Speaker 2: somewhat symbolic, but intentionally so where it's you guys honor

1823
01:46:30,320 --> 01:46:34,360
Speaker 2: someone from each side of the aisle, so you honor

1824
01:46:34,439 --> 01:46:38,280
Speaker 2: a Republican, honor Democrat or someone from the typically someone

1825
01:46:38,280 --> 01:46:39,920
Speaker 2: from the House, someone from the Senate. I've seen it

1826
01:46:39,920 --> 01:46:44,160
Speaker 2: go where it's too Western governors and applaud them on

1827
01:46:45,160 --> 01:46:49,080
Speaker 2: where areas where they were able to do conservation wins

1828
01:46:49,400 --> 01:46:51,479
Speaker 2: right right, and the areas where they were able to

1829
01:46:51,520 --> 01:46:55,000
Speaker 2: do conservation wins is often where they had political cover

1830
01:46:55,120 --> 01:46:58,000
Speaker 2: within their party but not looking at it, singling it

1831
01:46:58,000 --> 01:47:00,800
Speaker 2: out and applauding it in a bipartisan way. And that

1832
01:47:01,280 --> 01:47:04,960
Speaker 2: like I said, it's it's symbolic, it's impactful, but it

1833
01:47:05,080 --> 01:47:06,880
Speaker 2: like puts a stake in the ground about how we're

1834
01:47:06,880 --> 01:47:08,960
Speaker 2: approaching this and how we're looking at it like we're

1835
01:47:09,000 --> 01:47:13,640
Speaker 2: gonna partner with whoever is in power wherever they can

1836
01:47:13,680 --> 01:47:16,519
Speaker 2: help us get conservation wins, of which there are many, right.

1837
01:47:16,600 --> 01:47:19,679
Speaker 4: You know, well, those awards also give us the chance

1838
01:47:19,720 --> 01:47:23,760
Speaker 4: to to show the bipartisanship even by those members, right,

1839
01:47:23,960 --> 01:47:27,599
Speaker 4: because those things don't get passed, those things don't get

1840
01:47:27,600 --> 01:47:29,880
Speaker 4: done if there's not bipartisanship on that.

1841
01:47:30,000 --> 01:47:31,639
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah.

1842
01:47:32,640 --> 01:47:35,200
Speaker 4: We got that coming up again this year April thirtieth.

1843
01:47:35,920 --> 01:47:38,360
Speaker 2: I imagine. Yeah, I'll be there, and I.

1844
01:47:38,320 --> 01:47:39,799
Speaker 4: Hope you will since you're gonna mce.

1845
01:47:39,680 --> 01:47:44,600
Speaker 2: It, I see it, So you'll you'll be spend a

1846
01:47:44,640 --> 01:47:46,559
Speaker 2: lot of time in your future having cups of coffee,

1847
01:47:46,560 --> 01:47:49,479
Speaker 2: getting getting introduced to people.

1848
01:47:49,960 --> 01:47:51,599
Speaker 4: There's been a lot of that already, and I think

1849
01:47:51,640 --> 01:47:53,080
Speaker 4: that's gonna be a lot of this first year.

1850
01:47:53,120 --> 01:47:54,839
Speaker 2: A lot of new faces around town.

1851
01:47:55,080 --> 01:47:56,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, there is. You know, we've focused a lot on

1852
01:47:56,800 --> 01:48:00,400
Speaker 4: the administration, but there's big changes in Congress too, a

1853
01:48:00,400 --> 01:48:03,040
Speaker 4: lot of new members there. But you know, I think

1854
01:48:03,080 --> 01:48:05,880
Speaker 4: about the Senate Environment and Natural Resources Committee, where we

1855
01:48:05,960 --> 01:48:08,680
Speaker 4: had Mansion and Brosso that have led that for a

1856
01:48:08,720 --> 01:48:11,720
Speaker 4: long time, and we've got a new leader and a

1857
01:48:13,120 --> 01:48:16,320
Speaker 4: new chair and a new minority leader in there, and

1858
01:48:16,360 --> 01:48:18,479
Speaker 4: a lot of staff turnover that we've worked with for

1859
01:48:18,520 --> 01:48:22,920
Speaker 4: a long time, and so myself and the rest of

1860
01:48:22,920 --> 01:48:24,479
Speaker 4: the team have a lot of work to do just

1861
01:48:24,520 --> 01:48:26,720
Speaker 4: to get to know the new players in Congress as

1862
01:48:26,720 --> 01:48:28,240
Speaker 4: well as in the administration.

1863
01:48:29,000 --> 01:48:32,760
Speaker 2: Have they offered a buy out to Congressman, We'll pay

1864
01:48:32,800 --> 01:48:39,040
Speaker 2: you through September. I wonder if I wanted to take

1865
01:48:39,080 --> 01:48:42,599
Speaker 2: it if they did, let's talk about let's talk about

1866
01:48:42,800 --> 01:48:45,840
Speaker 2: So we have the annual awards dinner coming up. Yeah,

1867
01:48:45,880 --> 01:48:47,800
Speaker 2: but that's not you can't, like Joe blow off the

1868
01:48:47,800 --> 01:48:49,000
Speaker 2: Street can't come in right.

1869
01:48:49,080 --> 01:48:55,240
Speaker 4: Absolutely, they can really, Yeah, explain that. Yeah. So you know,

1870
01:48:55,320 --> 01:48:57,880
Speaker 4: this is largely driven by our sponsors and our partners

1871
01:48:57,880 --> 01:49:00,360
Speaker 4: that we invite. We'll get a number of members ariss,

1872
01:49:00,360 --> 01:49:02,920
Speaker 4: a lot of staffers will come to that event because

1873
01:49:02,920 --> 01:49:06,880
Speaker 4: it is an opportunity to celebrate our conservation achievements as

1874
01:49:06,920 --> 01:49:11,560
Speaker 4: you highlighted, and we'll recognize a Democrat and a Republican

1875
01:49:11,600 --> 01:49:16,840
Speaker 4: from Congress. We also typically recognize someone from the outside world,

1876
01:49:16,920 --> 01:49:20,400
Speaker 4: communications or supporting. I think last year's award winner might

1877
01:49:20,439 --> 01:49:21,599
Speaker 4: be sitting next to me here.

1878
01:49:22,400 --> 01:49:24,760
Speaker 3: Two years ago I was I stepped in an m seed.

1879
01:49:25,880 --> 01:49:27,840
Speaker 4: You got recognized at one point too, did you not.

1880
01:49:29,120 --> 01:49:32,479
Speaker 5: I don't think you got the big award. You did

1881
01:49:32,520 --> 01:49:35,360
Speaker 5: the Yeah, it's like people from the private sector and

1882
01:49:35,439 --> 01:49:36,360
Speaker 5: give yourself an award.

1883
01:49:36,400 --> 01:49:40,080
Speaker 4: Colt, No, you missed your opportunity, man, man.

1884
01:49:40,120 --> 01:49:43,759
Speaker 3: I got a lot of stories like that. Brandon Newberg

1885
01:49:43,880 --> 01:49:48,680
Speaker 3: got the Communicators Award, Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I got

1886
01:49:48,720 --> 01:49:50,639
Speaker 3: to make fun of them a little bit on stage,

1887
01:49:50,640 --> 01:49:51,519
Speaker 3: which was always fun.

1888
01:49:52,320 --> 01:49:58,120
Speaker 4: Yeah. So so we use it for that and a

1889
01:49:58,120 --> 01:50:00,639
Speaker 4: lot of our corporate sponsors come and so lebrate the night,

1890
01:50:00,680 --> 01:50:04,880
Speaker 4: as well as our partners on the conservation side. But

1891
01:50:04,960 --> 01:50:08,320
Speaker 4: we do have individual tickets for people that want to

1892
01:50:08,360 --> 01:50:10,360
Speaker 4: come and be part of this and help to celebrate.

1893
01:50:11,640 --> 01:50:15,960
Speaker 4: Www dot TRCP dot org slash C eight twenty twenty

1894
01:50:15,960 --> 01:50:18,879
Speaker 4: five is where you can buy the find those tickets

1895
01:50:19,000 --> 01:50:21,680
Speaker 4: and as we get closer to the event towards the

1896
01:50:21,760 --> 01:50:25,479
Speaker 4: end of March, our auction items. We do an online

1897
01:50:25,520 --> 01:50:29,240
Speaker 4: auction related to this and that's available to everybody, whether

1898
01:50:29,280 --> 01:50:31,360
Speaker 4: you're there or not, and the auction items will be

1899
01:50:31,400 --> 01:50:35,040
Speaker 4: on that same website as well is our dinner.

1900
01:50:36,479 --> 01:50:38,320
Speaker 2: I got a little loss because we're doing two things.

1901
01:50:38,360 --> 01:50:42,040
Speaker 2: We're doing a wild game dinner that'll be auctioned, correct,

1902
01:50:42,160 --> 01:50:44,240
Speaker 2: and that will be part of that auction. Yes, I

1903
01:50:44,280 --> 01:50:46,479
Speaker 2: know we debated this, but I can't remember where we landed.

1904
01:50:47,120 --> 01:50:48,519
Speaker 4: That will be part of the auction.

1905
01:50:48,720 --> 01:50:51,759
Speaker 2: So you'll be able to come to our headquarters here.

1906
01:50:52,400 --> 01:50:57,799
Speaker 2: We just remodeled our remodeled kitchen. We finished, We built

1907
01:50:57,840 --> 01:51:00,360
Speaker 2: it and then immediately tore it apart and read did it?

1908
01:51:01,240 --> 01:51:03,880
Speaker 2: That kitchen will be ready, and it's a dinner. I came.

1909
01:51:04,200 --> 01:51:08,120
Speaker 2: Do we say four or eight? It was a lot. Yeah,

1910
01:51:08,320 --> 01:51:11,920
Speaker 2: we're auctioning off at dinner for eight at me Eater headquarters.

1911
01:51:12,720 --> 01:51:14,920
Speaker 2: And it'll be Randa will be there. He doesn't even know.

1912
01:51:15,680 --> 01:51:16,519
Speaker 3: I I hope.

1913
01:51:16,560 --> 01:51:19,519
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna say cal will be there. He doesn't know.

1914
01:51:19,800 --> 01:51:22,200
Speaker 2: I'll be there for damn sure. And we're gonna do

1915
01:51:22,240 --> 01:51:28,960
Speaker 2: a big, a big many course dinner in that kitchen.

1916
01:51:30,120 --> 01:51:32,240
Speaker 3: You're a you're adopting Trump speak already.

1917
01:51:33,000 --> 01:51:33,599
Speaker 2: The biggest day.

1918
01:51:33,640 --> 01:51:35,599
Speaker 3: It'll be a big many many.

1919
01:51:36,680 --> 01:51:37,840
Speaker 2: The biggest best dinner.

1920
01:51:37,880 --> 01:51:38,120
Speaker 4: I heard.

1921
01:51:38,120 --> 01:51:42,160
Speaker 2: It was the best dinner ever. People are saying a lot.

1922
01:51:42,000 --> 01:51:44,719
Speaker 3: Of people are saying, love to help with the dinner

1923
01:51:44,760 --> 01:51:45,160
Speaker 3: for sure.

1924
01:51:45,800 --> 01:51:48,760
Speaker 2: Uh having a big dinner and we're gonna auction that

1925
01:51:48,880 --> 01:51:52,280
Speaker 2: off and then we have our like seventh annual or

1926
01:51:52,320 --> 01:51:57,240
Speaker 2: so many time annual Hunt sweep Steaks. It used to

1927
01:51:57,240 --> 01:51:59,120
Speaker 2: be an Elk Hunt sweep steaks and then we turned

1928
01:51:59,120 --> 01:52:03,719
Speaker 2: it into a Turkey Hunt sweep steaks where a winner

1929
01:52:04,439 --> 01:52:09,040
Speaker 2: and a guest have all their expenses paid. So we

1930
01:52:09,120 --> 01:52:14,759
Speaker 2: cover everything, airfare, lodging, We've even provided shotguns, shotgun, Ammo, camo,

1931
01:52:16,600 --> 01:52:20,360
Speaker 2: we clean your turkeys for you. All everything taken care of,

1932
01:52:22,880 --> 01:52:25,320
Speaker 2: and that we're going to do that.

1933
01:52:25,439 --> 01:52:27,160
Speaker 4: We're gonna do it later in the summer.

1934
01:52:27,240 --> 01:52:27,840
Speaker 2: Later in summer.

1935
01:52:29,280 --> 01:52:31,880
Speaker 4: One of the things that the team identified is that trying

1936
01:52:31,920 --> 01:52:35,559
Speaker 4: to promote the sweepstakes while promoting the dinner and all

1937
01:52:35,600 --> 01:52:38,000
Speaker 4: of the auctions kind of got lost. So we're going

1938
01:52:38,080 --> 01:52:40,160
Speaker 4: to separate it a little bit. I think we're talking

1939
01:52:40,160 --> 01:52:42,240
Speaker 4: about promoting that during June and.

1940
01:52:42,280 --> 01:52:45,759
Speaker 2: July and that that Turkey Hunt sweepstakes that's a raffle

1941
01:52:46,360 --> 01:52:48,640
Speaker 2: and that was interesting to find out years ago we

1942
01:52:48,680 --> 01:52:50,280
Speaker 2: did it. The first couple of times we did it,

1943
01:52:50,320 --> 01:52:53,120
Speaker 2: we did it as an auction, and then when we

1944
01:52:53,160 --> 01:52:56,760
Speaker 2: moved it to a raffle, it made a lot more

1945
01:52:56,800 --> 01:52:59,960
Speaker 2: money as a raffle. And then we just had a

1946
01:53:00,080 --> 01:53:02,200
Speaker 2: guests on who explained all the ways in which that

1947
01:53:02,240 --> 01:53:05,240
Speaker 2: does not hold true when you're trying to distribute big

1948
01:53:05,280 --> 01:53:10,880
Speaker 2: o'horn sheep tags. Raffles can't touch an auction. But in

1949
01:53:10,920 --> 01:53:11,519
Speaker 2: the case of.

1950
01:53:11,920 --> 01:53:13,439
Speaker 3: Our hunts going to turkey counting with.

1951
01:53:13,439 --> 01:53:17,479
Speaker 4: Steve and the same allure as a big yeah.

1952
01:53:17,600 --> 01:53:20,320
Speaker 2: In the case of going turkey hunting on a on

1953
01:53:20,400 --> 01:53:23,120
Speaker 2: a on an all expense paid turkey hunt, raffles are

1954
01:53:23,120 --> 01:53:25,080
Speaker 2: way better. So we'll do the raffle. We'll do the

1955
01:53:25,120 --> 01:53:27,920
Speaker 2: raffle in the summertime for the turkey hunt. And we're

1956
01:53:27,960 --> 01:53:30,920
Speaker 2: going to auction to the highest bidder dinner for eight

1957
01:53:32,160 --> 01:53:35,040
Speaker 2: at our headquarters here, and it'll be a many coarse

1958
01:53:35,320 --> 01:53:38,360
Speaker 2: wild game dinner and we'll pair it with drinks.

1959
01:53:38,560 --> 01:53:40,200
Speaker 4: Sounds like it'll be a beautiful thing.

1960
01:53:40,280 --> 01:53:44,360
Speaker 2: Paired with drinks. We'll be there. Travis Barton at Barton

1961
01:53:44,360 --> 01:53:47,519
Speaker 2: Fabrication is as we speak, making the table that you

1962
01:53:47,560 --> 01:53:51,880
Speaker 2: will sit at wow while eating the dinner, and you'll

1963
01:53:51,880 --> 01:53:56,160
Speaker 2: look at this steel bar dividing these two large wooden

1964
01:53:56,240 --> 01:53:59,040
Speaker 2: slabs and you'll think that it was an esthetic consideration

1965
01:53:59,600 --> 01:54:02,040
Speaker 2: and you won't know that it had to do with

1966
01:54:02,080 --> 01:54:04,120
Speaker 2: the wood slabs not being big enough.

1967
01:54:08,280 --> 01:54:09,560
Speaker 3: An awesome touch.

1968
01:54:11,439 --> 01:54:11,679
Speaker 4: Touch.

1969
01:54:12,640 --> 01:54:18,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's steel running down the middle of not Travis's fault.

1970
01:54:18,920 --> 01:54:23,240
Speaker 2: Not Travis's fault. So we got that. Thanks for coming on. Man,

1971
01:54:23,680 --> 01:54:25,559
Speaker 2: appreciate you An you want to wedge in there.

1972
01:54:27,680 --> 01:54:29,800
Speaker 4: Man, We've covered a lot of ground, I really think.

1973
01:54:29,840 --> 01:54:33,320
Speaker 2: So I appreciate. Uh, I just want to clothes to say.

1974
01:54:33,320 --> 01:54:38,680
Speaker 2: And I appreciate that you're in a real like like

1975
01:54:38,720 --> 01:54:41,160
Speaker 2: you're in a you're in a spot right now, you're

1976
01:54:41,160 --> 01:54:43,040
Speaker 2: in you're in a you're coming into a new role

1977
01:54:44,480 --> 01:54:46,520
Speaker 2: for an organizations that have been homing along for a

1978
01:54:46,560 --> 01:54:50,160
Speaker 2: long time, and then getting your feet under you on

1979
01:54:50,280 --> 01:54:54,960
Speaker 2: that and then at the same time dealing with a

1980
01:54:54,960 --> 01:54:58,000
Speaker 2: as the Free Press puts it, a major vibe shift

1981
01:54:58,040 --> 01:55:03,120
Speaker 2: in DC. The vibe is just different there right now,

1982
01:55:03,680 --> 01:55:06,640
Speaker 2: and it's like, uh, that's got to be a daunting thing.

1983
01:55:07,000 --> 01:55:07,360
Speaker 4: It is.

1984
01:55:07,560 --> 01:55:10,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, for sure, just get getting getting your feet under

1985
01:55:10,960 --> 01:55:13,280
Speaker 6: you at a new org and then and then getting

1986
01:55:13,280 --> 01:55:15,640
Speaker 6: your feet under you with with the new administration and

1987
01:55:15,760 --> 01:55:17,680
Speaker 6: is a very fast moving group of people.

1988
01:55:18,280 --> 01:55:20,360
Speaker 2: So I appreciate you taking your time to come talk

1989
01:55:20,360 --> 01:55:23,400
Speaker 2: to us absolutely all that's going on. And I asked

1990
01:55:23,400 --> 01:55:28,640
Speaker 2: people to you know, I did an interview yesterday and

1991
01:55:28,640 --> 01:55:32,440
Speaker 2: and with the one of the podcasts by the Navy

1992
01:55:32,440 --> 01:55:34,600
Speaker 2: Seals Foundation, and he was just saying, if you could

1993
01:55:34,640 --> 01:55:37,560
Speaker 2: change one thing about hunting, what would you change? And

1994
01:55:37,600 --> 01:55:39,360
Speaker 2: I said, it's a great question, and I thought about it,

1995
01:55:39,400 --> 01:55:40,640
Speaker 2: and I couldn't really think of a good one, and

1996
01:55:40,680 --> 01:55:44,600
Speaker 2: I said, I guess it would be that a greater

1997
01:55:45,040 --> 01:55:47,320
Speaker 2: percentage of the people who like and un like to

1998
01:55:47,400 --> 01:55:54,520
Speaker 2: hunt and fish increase their involvement and increase their involvement

1999
01:55:54,600 --> 01:55:59,760
Speaker 2: and conservation, increase their involvement and conversations about funding for

2000
01:56:00,600 --> 01:56:04,120
Speaker 2: and just demonstrated greater awareness about the issues at stake

2001
01:56:04,160 --> 01:56:06,960
Speaker 2: and how to be impactful. And you can do it

2002
01:56:07,200 --> 01:56:09,400
Speaker 2: at a broad scale like at the federal level, like

2003
01:56:09,440 --> 01:56:12,480
Speaker 2: the conversations we've been having here today with TRCP, or

2004
01:56:12,720 --> 01:56:15,960
Speaker 2: you can do it small scale, local about animals and

2005
01:56:16,000 --> 01:56:17,840
Speaker 2: fish that you like that live in places where you

2006
01:56:17,920 --> 01:56:20,840
Speaker 2: love to hang out, as represented by the huge partnership

2007
01:56:20,880 --> 01:56:24,680
Speaker 2: the TRCP has with a lot of organizations that are

2008
01:56:24,720 --> 01:56:29,040
Speaker 2: more singularly focused on specific issues surrounding specific animals. You

2009
01:56:29,080 --> 01:56:30,640
Speaker 2: can take your pick. You can find the kind of

2010
01:56:30,640 --> 01:56:33,880
Speaker 2: thing that fits with how you view the world, and

2011
01:56:34,760 --> 01:56:38,880
Speaker 2: when consider that, consider TRCP and know that they have

2012
01:56:38,920 --> 01:56:41,240
Speaker 2: their work cut out for them in the coming years,

2013
01:56:41,440 --> 01:56:45,760
Speaker 2: and trying to make sure that conservation stays front and

2014
01:56:45,800 --> 01:56:48,880
Speaker 2: centered in the minds of the lawmakers in DC.

2015
01:56:49,520 --> 01:56:51,440
Speaker 4: Yeah. No, I appreciate that, Steve, and I think that's

2016
01:56:51,440 --> 01:56:52,000
Speaker 4: a good point.

2017
01:56:52,040 --> 01:56:52,240
Speaker 2: You know.

2018
01:56:52,320 --> 01:56:56,240
Speaker 4: I think about all the partners we have, and there's

2019
01:56:56,280 --> 01:56:59,080
Speaker 4: great partners that are getting the work out there on

2020
01:56:59,120 --> 01:57:01,400
Speaker 4: the ground. It's a very tangible to see what they're doing.

2021
01:57:01,680 --> 01:57:03,960
Speaker 4: One of the challenges I think TARRCP has always had

2022
01:57:04,000 --> 01:57:06,520
Speaker 4: is that we work largely behind the scenes. We're up

2023
01:57:06,520 --> 01:57:10,760
Speaker 4: there on Capitol Hill every day and we are facilitating

2024
01:57:10,920 --> 01:57:16,040
Speaker 4: the funding, the rule making, the legislating that's happening. We're

2025
01:57:16,960 --> 01:57:19,400
Speaker 4: working side by side with our partner groups. I don't

2026
01:57:19,400 --> 01:57:23,640
Speaker 4: want to discount the work that they're doing, but those groups,

2027
01:57:24,120 --> 01:57:27,280
Speaker 4: they're doing the advocacy on the hill, and they're doing

2028
01:57:27,360 --> 01:57:30,680
Speaker 4: the implementation, and they're putting on all of the local banquets.

2029
01:57:30,720 --> 01:57:34,400
Speaker 4: So they're doing all those things. We're just looking at

2030
01:57:34,400 --> 01:57:39,040
Speaker 4: the policy side of this, and so fundraising is very

2031
01:57:39,080 --> 01:57:41,800
Speaker 4: important to us and they help to do that. And

2032
01:57:41,840 --> 01:57:44,720
Speaker 4: we're an organization where as we've talked for the last

2033
01:57:44,720 --> 01:57:47,760
Speaker 4: couple of hours, we're nonpartisan We're in there all the time,

2034
01:57:47,920 --> 01:57:50,160
Speaker 4: every year, working on both sides of the aisle to

2035
01:57:50,200 --> 01:57:53,480
Speaker 4: get done what's important to the sportsmen that are out there.

2036
01:57:55,480 --> 01:57:57,800
Speaker 2: And for eighty you special listeners out there. We're getting

2037
01:57:57,800 --> 01:57:59,760
Speaker 2: dinner going now. You just got to win the auction

2038
01:58:00,320 --> 01:58:02,160
Speaker 2: and we'll do something we've never done before. Well, I'll

2039
01:58:02,160 --> 01:58:06,000
Speaker 2: take requests mm hmm. You can send in like it'll

2040
01:58:06,040 --> 01:58:07,920
Speaker 2: be round rough. You can give me rough.

2041
01:58:07,840 --> 01:58:09,120
Speaker 3: You're like, Nope, don't have that.

2042
01:58:09,360 --> 01:58:13,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I've always wanted to try, you know, elephant,

2043
01:58:14,040 --> 01:58:17,480
Speaker 2: and I'll be like, eah, you had you ever had possible?

2044
01:58:19,560 --> 01:58:21,720
Speaker 2: All right, thanks man, appreciate it. Keep