1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: Ladies, and you want experience during your football season, Well, 2 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: buckle up, sweet cheeks. We've got all the experience in 3 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: the world. This is I Want your Flex with Dan 4 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:19,119 Speaker 1: Bayer and Mike Harmon. Mike and Dan break down everything 5 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 1: you need to set your lineups, from position rankings to 6 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: starts and sits. The guys help you make those hard decisions. 7 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: And now let's get your flex. Ond Here's Dan Bayer 8 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: and Mike Harmon. 9 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 2: All right, this is gonna be some fun. He is 10 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 2: Mike Karman, I'm Dan Byer. This is I Want your Flex. 11 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 2: Ian Roddy is our executive producer with a little help 12 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 2: from one Ryan Persinger. Welcome in Get My Get. 13 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 3: Swollen Dome on X. 14 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 2: You can find him at Mike Karman on Bluesky. You 15 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 2: can find me at Dan Byer on Fox and at 16 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 2: Dan Byer on blue Sky. The position that we all 17 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 2: love to talk about in fantasy football. I feel like 18 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 2: a quarterback preview is one that people don't want to 19 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 2: spend a lot of time talking about quarterbacks. They'd love 20 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 2: to spend ten times as much of their fantasy planning 21 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 2: on the running back position. So let's just get into it. Mike, 22 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 2: running Backs in twenty twenty five in the NFL in 23 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 2: fantasy football. 24 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 4: Well, because that's the thing. It drops off so quickly, 25 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 4: guys that we trust guys with giant question marks. I 26 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 4: keep joking that, you know, for some of those quarterback positions, 27 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 4: it's been the all right, who's the guy in the 28 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:28,680 Speaker 4: riddler outfit running around with question marks? Right, But we're 29 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 4: starting to settle out some of those position battles as 30 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 4: we tape. The Saints are the only team still making 31 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 4: a decision. They've got two weeks. They'll get to it. 32 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 4: But for the running back position, you know, the way 33 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 4: things are deployed, either the quarterbacks themselves taking on a 34 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 4: bigger onus in that part of the game, or the 35 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 4: split workloads two three guys at times working their way in, 36 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 4: it's made for a maddening kind of scenario for running backs. 37 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 4: So yeah, it's a really curious list this year. And 38 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 4: I've probably jumbled the top ten thirty times in the 39 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 4: two to three weeks you know, leading up to us 40 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 4: getting back to the eyewatch of Flex podcast and starting 41 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 4: to create some fantasy blogs and whatever. It's just the 42 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 4: all right, how much do I love this guy? Well, 43 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 4: don't forget about him, and don't forget about this, and 44 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 4: don't forget about that injury that we remember. He's not 45 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 4: the same guy you loved. He's changed, He's come back different, 46 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 4: almost like you've watched a horror movie. Like I don't know, 47 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 4: I don't I think there's something different about this guy. 48 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 4: It's not quite pet cemetery, but we go down those 49 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 4: same roads. 50 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 2: I love the running back position because as much as 51 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 2: we have advanced in the NFL, is so predicated on 52 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 2: the path that there is still the value of the 53 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 2: running back. 54 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 3: That's what I love about it. 55 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 2: And then when you get to a certain point in 56 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 2: the draft, because there's just so many wide receivers in 57 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 2: the running back position, you're not going to be taking 58 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 2: a third running back, but you may. Sure as I 59 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 2: take a third wide receiver on a squad Mike, all 60 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:00,679 Speaker 2: of a sudden, you're sitting there saying, geez, maybe I 61 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 2: should Maybe I should have invested a little bit more 62 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 2: in the running back position. So while it's not as 63 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 2: maybe top heavy and dominant as we were used to, 64 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 2: I still think the position is extremely valuable when you're 65 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 2: trying to set up your fantasy football team because you 66 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 2: have to at least have viable running backs. 67 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 3: And if you're in a twelve team league with multiple 68 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 3: flex positions, you. 69 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 2: Don't want to be sitting there stuck with just one 70 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 2: good running back and a bunch of wide receivers that are, Hey, 71 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 2: this guy's okay, that guy's okay. You're like, I got 72 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 2: to start a guy who's going to get ten carries 73 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 2: a game because I was so worried about my flex 74 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 2: and wide receiver positions. I think those scenarios happen in 75 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 2: fantasy drafts. That's why I love, still love the running 76 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 2: back position, even though people want to downplay the importance 77 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 2: of it. I would almost argue it's more important than 78 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 2: ever at any time in fantasy history. 79 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 4: Well, you and me, with our Midwest roots, we still 80 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 4: love our three yards and a cloud of dust. Whenever 81 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 4: we can get it shortened games, get them on, get 82 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 4: them over, get him in, and certainly being able to 83 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 4: bank on a guy in that ten to fifteen touchcount. 84 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 4: Like what do we always do, Like if we take 85 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 4: phone calls in fantasy shows pasted on the Fox Sports 86 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 4: radio network, or we do it, you know as part 87 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 4: of the podcast. Here's some tweets and whatever, it's the 88 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 4: touches over targets, right to give me a guy that 89 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 4: they're going to stick the ball in his gut, particularly 90 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:29,239 Speaker 4: once we start breaking down red zone stats and efficiencies there. 91 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 4: I'll take my chances that those bear out versus the 92 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 4: quarterback acumen and the tight coverage and a guy getting 93 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 4: double teamed in, you know, trying to work in the 94 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 4: low posts. So yeah, it's certainly fun. And this year, 95 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 4: you know, once again we get into the the tiering 96 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 4: of guys dan and that first tier is very small. 97 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 2: It is, and it's and I still think that there 98 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 2: are question marks even in the top tier. 99 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 3: We do a quarterback. 100 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 2: Episode and Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson, barring injury, are 101 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 2: likely going to produce. 102 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,479 Speaker 3: They're gonna produce their points the running back position. 103 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 2: Yes, butt, And I think that there's a big butt 104 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 2: because especially well I like big butts. I cannot lie, 105 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 2: but there is a big There is a big butt 106 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 2: because these top guys aren't innecessarily fail safe situations. And 107 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 2: I'm just going to start out with the fantasy MVP 108 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 2: of last year in Saquon Barkley and the Eagles, even 109 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 2: coming off of that season where I think so many 110 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 2: other previous years, we would be ready to anoint Saquon 111 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,919 Speaker 2: Barkley the number one overall guy. We're not ready to 112 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 2: do that now because we're saying, all right, when does 113 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:39,919 Speaker 2: the other shoe drop? 114 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 4: But that's just it. After that massive workload three hundred 115 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 4: and forty five carries in the regular season, Dan in 116 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:50,119 Speaker 4: the regular season, and you go back his last four 117 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 4: years prior to that, you're not getting to massive totals. Right, 118 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 4: you got some injury history. He had a thirteen hundred 119 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 4: yard game games again, that's the Giants and it's a 120 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 4: different world order. That's fine, but looking for history to 121 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 4: repeat itself, very reticent to do so. Now, he's been 122 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 4: fairly consistent in the passing game, so you're getting your 123 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 4: thirty plus receptions, even though that's taken a bit of 124 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 4: a downtick. But he's still active there, so you're gonna 125 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 4: get some points coming out of the backfield. But all 126 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 4: of that to say with the offensive line, with what 127 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 4: Jalen Hurts does, and again coming off of a massive 128 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 4: run that you did last year, you can't do that again. 129 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 4: Like just logic dictates, all right, we're playing for January 130 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 4: and a February date up in Santa Clara. We're not 131 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 4: gonna give this guy the ball four hundred times again. 132 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 4: We just can't. The human body doesn't do. It's why 133 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 4: one of the top guys in that next year is 134 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 4: I'm really reticent to jump on board as much as 135 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 4: it's a shiny new toy. So for Saquon Barkley, it's 136 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 4: very much that he's third on that first year for me. 137 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 2: So I would guess that Bijette Robinson and Jamior Gibbs 138 00:06:57,880 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 2: are one and two in some sort of order. 139 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,840 Speaker 4: That's it, right, It's all just dependent on, you know, 140 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 4: the banking on the Detroit offense. Next year, I think 141 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 4: I'm gonna see more of Gibbs, like huge final run 142 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 4: right when we talk about overall Fantasy points, the skewing 143 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 4: a little bit with Montgomery unavailable, and the amount of 144 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 4: workload that Gibbs had in those final few weeks, like 145 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 4: he was a Fantasy MVP just for what he did 146 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 4: in the Fantasy playoffs for you, but it thrust him 147 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 4: to that huge position. But as we talked about a 148 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 4: bit in the Quarterback episode, this is why you need 149 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 4: to download it all and listen to them all. But 150 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 4: to encapsulate it here. I think with Ben Johnson gone, 151 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 4: there becomes a little more of a benefit for Gibbs 152 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 4: in Montgomery to take on even that much more. I 153 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 4: saw a crazy stat of Gibbs that I was trying 154 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 4: to locate before we got started on this one, Dan, 155 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 4: and it got lost to the screenshots because you take 156 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 4: a lot of stuff over the course of the day 157 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 4: as you're out and about for stories that you might 158 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 4: try to include in shows. I lost it. But talking 159 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 4: about the number of touches that went for ten or 160 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 4: more yards, it was like some ridiculous percentage of Gibbs 161 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 4: carries a year ago. I mean, think about two hundred 162 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 4: fifty carries over fourteen hundred yards with those sixteen touchdowns. Yeah, 163 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 4: I'll take him slightly over Bijon for the number one 164 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 4: spot this year. 165 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 2: I'll just I'll make an argument for Beijon at number one, 166 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 2: and it's a little bit of what you said with 167 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 2: Gibbs last year's I think the Falcons can compete. I 168 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 2: think that their offensive line is solid. They've made investments 169 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 2: into that, and you know, Michael Pennix is getting his 170 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 2: first full season as a starter. You're obviously going to 171 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 2: rely on the running game, and we know the Falcons 172 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 2: love to run the football. I also wonder, Mike if 173 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 2: like the argument that I would make for Bejeon to 174 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 2: be number one. 175 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 3: The reason why I compare it to Gibbs is I think. 176 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,439 Speaker 2: The Falcons are in prime position to win the NFC South, 177 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 2: so they're playing meaningful football weeks eleven through eighteen, and 178 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 2: even if you look at Bijon's workload last season, there 179 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 2: was an uptick towards the end of the year, so 180 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 2: maybe they like that sort of plan. Maybe Tyler Aljier, who, 181 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:06,199 Speaker 2: by the way, because of just this argument, could get 182 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 2: a bump higher as you're looking for a depth at 183 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 2: the running back position because of how the Falcons are 184 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 2: going to use it. But Bijon had I think one 185 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 2: twenty plus carry game in the first nine weeks of 186 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 2: the season and then afterwards finished in the final six games, 187 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 2: five out of the six had twenty plus carries. So 188 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 2: if you're playing meaningful football, maybe that's a reason if 189 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 2: you like Bijon better. Because I think the Falcons are 190 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 2: going to be good. I think the Falcons are going 191 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 2: to compete for the division crown in the NFC South. Again, 192 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 2: this season, then maybe that would be a reason why 193 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 2: you would lean on Bijon because they seem to find 194 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 2: value and he actually being their guy when they need 195 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 2: it most. 196 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 4: It's funny because you also mentioned a guy who's grossly undervalue, 197 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 4: not to steal away from the Alsos and Sleepers, Ninjas whatever, 198 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 4: Algiers number fifty one, Wow among running backs right now? Now, 199 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 4: I know Bjeon Robinson like we're and like we're splitting 200 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:05,319 Speaker 4: hairs between one and two. He's great, but that offensive 201 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 4: line is good. They've got a good wide receiving corps 202 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 4: and we're expecting Panics to take that huge step forward. 203 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 4: You're telling me Tyler All's year, with what we've seen 204 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 4: the last couple of years, is not worth a higher 205 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 4: draft choice to make sure if he does get into 206 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 4: the lineup, and we wish no ill on anybody, but 207 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 4: telling me he's fifty first, Either you're telling me Bijon 208 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 4: Robinson is a cyborg and he will not be injured, 209 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 4: or or you really don't like all jyear and I'm like, 210 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 4: I've watched dot Lgier enough. He's a pretty good back. 211 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 3: What am I missing? 212 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, he's gonna be physical and you hate to 213 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 2: say it, but you know, hopefully nothing happens to be Jean, 214 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 2: but if they did, what a magnificent spot he would 215 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 2: be in for you know, fantasy production, absolutely on that alone, 216 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 2: where you have other backs in that situation and even 217 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:00,319 Speaker 2: just like even in that drafting area where if there 218 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 2: was an injury, there still wouldn't be the huge, huge bump. 219 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 2: I mean, he's being drafted along the lines of where 220 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 2: Ray Davis is the backup in Buffalo, where Jaden Blue 221 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 2: is in Dallas. So those are the names that are 222 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 2: right now around Tyler Lger. And if something were to 223 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 2: happen to Beijon, which we do not want to happen, 224 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 2: but if it did, Tyler Azieler would be in a 225 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:26,559 Speaker 2: much better situation than any of the guys around him 226 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:28,079 Speaker 2: in that fifty to fifty. 227 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 4: One range, no question about it. 228 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 2: All Right, So let's get to the we got the 229 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 2: top three taken care of. Let's go to that next 230 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 2: tier of guys, because there are two that stand out 231 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 2: to me like a sore thumb, and we're gon we're 232 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 2: gonna give a nod to the experience and the veterans 233 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 2: in the NFL. Christian McCaffrey and Derrick Henry are two 234 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 2: guys that I think people expect great things. But again, 235 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 2: there's something in the back of your mind, all Right, 236 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 2: is McCaffrey really really back? Is he ever going to 237 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 2: be back? Is this it for Derrick Henry? How do 238 00:11:58,200 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 2: you sort it out with those two veterans? 239 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 4: With Henry, you're looking at greater than one thousand rushing 240 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 4: yards six the last seven years, seven straight years of 241 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 4: double digit touchdowns. So while the cliff may be coming, 242 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 4: it still seems a little little bit of ways. Right, 243 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 4: we kept waiting for you and I've been doing this 244 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:17,839 Speaker 4: together a number of years, and it's the all right, 245 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 4: is this the year? Is this year? And then he 246 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 4: goes out and rushes for nearly six yards of carry 247 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 4: behind what was the healthiest line he's been behind in 248 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 4: a long time. Ronnie Stanley and everybody were ready to 249 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 4: go in Baltimore. We'll see if that happens again. So 250 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:36,079 Speaker 4: I'm certainly I can push him towards that next tier, 251 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 4: to the top of that next tier. I take McCaffrey, 252 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 4: he's on the other end for me, he's closer to that, 253 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 4: you know, number ten role for me, based on the 254 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 4: like again, if potentially he becomes more of a slot receiver, 255 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 4: and we're now we're talking about picking up the PPR 256 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,439 Speaker 4: numbers to all of it. Dan, you know, back when 257 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 4: he was in what was it twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, 258 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 4: where he had back to back one hundred catch years, 259 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 4: then I'm gonna get my value. Otherwise, you had a 260 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 4: bunch of ulcarand years where we kept waiting and wishing 261 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 4: and wanting and hoping, and then we finally had that 262 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 4: number one season where we were making MVP arguments for him, 263 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 4: and then he misses last year. How am I going 264 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 4: to bank that given his injury history and a number 265 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 4: of years around that one standout that we're good, but not, 266 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 4: you know, world beating. Not to mention, you've got a 267 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 4: squad around you that I'm wondering, if you know, I 268 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 4: never want to shut a window entirely because things break 269 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:37,439 Speaker 4: curiously in the National Football League on a year to 270 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 4: year basis. But that receiving corps and Rock Purdy, I 271 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 4: don't think the offense has the same buzz and hum 272 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 4: that it has these last couple of years. 273 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that. I think there could be 274 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 2: guys e merging for San Francisco but I don't think 275 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 2: it's gonna be like it once was. And the funny 276 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:55,559 Speaker 2: thing is, as well as if you look on the 277 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 2: Fantasy Pros website, we had the top three that we 278 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 2: talked about with Barkley, Bjohon and Jamier Gibbs. If you're 279 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 2: to Mike's point, if you're in a standard league, Derrick 280 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 2: Henry is getting that push and McCaffrey's fallen even below 281 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 2: someone like Ashton Genty. 282 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 3: If you're in that. 283 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 2: Full PPR full point PPR league, McCaffrey's sitting there at 284 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 2: number four for you. So it depends on in your league. 285 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 2: I know you're not as high on him, but it 286 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 2: also just tells you the difference of how they're going 287 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 2: to use McCaffrey and how high and how he can 288 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 2: fluctuate on a draft board, because it is a different 289 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 2: scenario in San Francisco. 290 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 4: Trying to guess what Shanahan's going to do. All right, 291 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 4: you mentioned Ashon Genty, I'll throw it to you, you know, 292 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 4: And a lot of the boards I've seen, I've seen 293 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 4: him drafted first, running back off the board. I've seen 294 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 4: people push all in with him, running through people and 295 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 4: finding finding contact like he did in the preseason game 296 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 4: Week two. That leaves me a little concerned, like you 297 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 4: don't need that, especially a guy that had six hundred 298 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 4: carries the last two years. 299 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 2: I agree, and i've I'm the reason why I'm tempered. 300 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 2: I have the tempered expectations on Ashton Genty Mike. If 301 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 2: he was in any other division, any other division, I 302 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 2: would be higher on him and would probably put him 303 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 2: in the first tier, especially if I was in a 304 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 2: standard league. 305 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 3: But you play the Broncos twice, you play the Chargers twice. 306 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 2: Now their final Week eighteen game is against Kansas City, 307 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 2: but that's another game against Kansas City. You also have 308 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 2: a game against the Eagles in and you have a 309 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 2: game against the Texans in. 310 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 3: The first week of the playoffs. 311 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 2: Those are defenses that I think will be legit defenses. 312 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 2: And I'm not saying he's not going to get his 313 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 2: but the monster games where you would need him, that 314 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 2: pushes me a little back from him. So that's my 315 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 2: concern about Genty. I just think Denver's I think the 316 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 2: Chargers defense will be good, and Kansas City is now 317 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 2: a defensive team, So I think when you're playing those 318 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 2: teams and you have a bunch of matchups against them, 319 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 2: may the numbers aren't going to be as fruitful. Despite 320 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 2: the opportunity that you could get with Jim Kelly now 321 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 2: as your offensive coordinate. 322 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 4: Certainly some excitement to have him on board, no question 323 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 4: about it. Right. We love the shiny new toy in theory. 324 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 4: I mean you like what I mean, Tom Brady running 325 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 4: around looking like he's Al Davis with the leisure suit 326 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 4: and all is kind of cool. But and Pete Carroll, 327 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 4: we know his history, right, we know what he and 328 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 4: Chip Kelly should be able to do. I just think 329 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 4: that workload is so daunting from a year ago, and 330 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 4: the offensive line isn't quite there yet. So all of 331 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 4: that to say i'd push him down, I'll let someone 332 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 4: else take that shot. If it breaks right, I'll give 333 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 4: him a hardy handshake. But you mentioned all the schedule 334 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 4: blips that are potentially there for him, particularly in crunch time. 335 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 2: I'm out, He's Mike Carmen, I'm Dan Byer. We are 336 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 2: not out. We got another whole segment to go on 337 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 2: running backs. We've touched on the top backs at the top. 338 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 2: Now where can you strike gold outside of those top 339 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 2: tier running backs? Swollen Dome, find me at Dan Byron 340 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,479 Speaker 2: fox on X. That's next tier and I want your flex. 341 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 2: All right, let's dive into these running backs that aren't 342 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 2: maybe at the top of your rankings, but definitely have 343 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 2: some value. Devon ah chan dinged up a little bit 344 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 2: with the Dolphins. We have no idea what's going to 345 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,919 Speaker 2: happen with the Bengals offensive line, So Chase Brown's in 346 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,679 Speaker 2: the mix. Mentioned Josh Jacobs a little bit in our 347 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 2: quarterbacking segments an episode that we had interested in talking 348 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:33,199 Speaker 2: about Jordan love status. He's there, Jonathan Taylor is not 349 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 2: going to take handoffs from Daniel Jones. Just some of 350 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 2: the names that you're going to get in that next 351 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 2: tier or two of running backs after the top guys 352 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 2: that we could draft, like yeah, I. 353 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:44,959 Speaker 4: Think the guys I like most. We mentioned a lot 354 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 4: about Josh Jacobs and putting it all on his legs. 355 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 4: What he's been able to do. Consistency is what you're 356 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 4: talking right when we're talking about double digit touchdown seasons. Now, 357 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 4: the yardage has been a little bit hit and miss, 358 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:02,439 Speaker 4: going back to his previous step, but some of that 359 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 4: you take with the grand assault because you know raiders 360 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 4: and want to, and you know there were some issues 361 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:11,400 Speaker 4: there contractually and what they were building, but you look 362 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 4: at Green Bay and at least structurally everything looks right 363 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 4: to go take another step forward. Chase Brown's a guy, 364 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 4: you know, his ability in the passing game. Fifty four 365 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 4: catches a year ago, finished just shy of the thousand 366 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 4: yard rushing mark, but eleven total touchdowns. I think he's 367 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 4: a guy that could could outperform you know where he's at. 368 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 4: He's eighth, ninth in some in most rankings. I think 369 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 4: that could be a little bit higher. Jonathan Taylor's a curiosity. 370 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 4: Look he's been touching the ball from how many different guys? 371 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 4: Quentin Nelson great quote early in the week, just going, yeah, 372 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:51,640 Speaker 4: I'm tired of it, Like I just need some consistency 373 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 4: behind it. I think it's the eleventh guy, Daniel Jones, 374 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:58,880 Speaker 4: the eleventh quarterback since Andrew Luck walked away. Wow, eleventh 375 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 4: guy to start a game. And that's how short it is. Right, 376 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 4: we talk about you know, Green Bay and you've got 377 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:05,439 Speaker 4: three guys for as long as you and I have 378 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 4: been alive almost and then you talk about the Colts 379 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 4: in a decade at eleven. 380 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 3: This is our cults. This is our team. We bleed blue. 381 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 3: They've been bleeding for a while. That is true in Indianapolis. Yeah, 382 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 3: for Ed. 383 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 4: For Jonathan Taylor, is he staying healthy like he's done 384 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 4: that once in the last five years. I can't bank 385 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 4: on it. So he's a back end one just based 386 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 4: on when he's available the workload. But he's certainly a 387 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 4: guy that I can't push any higher. 388 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 2: I just like him just because I think that's who 389 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 2: they're going to load up on. But the injury history 390 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:45,120 Speaker 2: ends up scaring you in that scenario. And I honestly, Mike, 391 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 2: I hate to say this, but I don't know who's 392 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 2: going to be worse between Miami and Indianapolis as we're 393 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 2: looking at, just some names that pop short, because I 394 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 2: think the bottom could completely fall out with the Dolphins. 395 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,679 Speaker 2: I mean, it hasn't been a great offseason with Tyreek 396 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 2: Hill and saying what he has to say. John hu 397 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 2: Smith is no longer in Miami, and so you're wondering, 398 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 2: all right now, Devon hn who has battled, you know, 399 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 2: those injuries in his history, is he able to even 400 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 2: take on a full workloads. There's there's some questions at 401 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 2: that back end. 402 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 4: RB one, yeah, saying that Hn may miss a couple 403 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 4: of games because of a calf injury or if it's 404 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 4: at least gonna limit him off the jump. I don't 405 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 4: know when when McDaniel went to the podium and you know, 406 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 4: great day, you know we're one day closer to death, 407 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 4: or however he phrased it, I got a little bit 408 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:39,360 Speaker 4: nervous there, right. I gotta say that that one did 409 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 4: not strike I mean I loved it from you know, 410 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 4: my morbid sense of humor to it all and the 411 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 4: dead pan nature of it. But doesn't seem to me 412 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 4: like he's a guy really jacked up for the twenty 413 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:49,959 Speaker 4: twenty five season. 414 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 2: I know there are people who are who are mixed 415 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 2: on him. I absolutely love him. I love the I 416 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 2: love the sound bites, I love everything with it. I 417 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 2: love the this style. I don't know if he's going 418 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 2: to last after this season in Miami, but I will 419 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 2: forever be a fan just because of certain comments like that. 420 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 4: I'm one hundred percent with you. He's a guy that 421 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,919 Speaker 4: I will love him when he's my offensive coordinator and 422 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 4: the mad scientists, but I'll miss the press conferences because 423 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 4: we won't get the same accessibility Allie Gordon the second 424 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,439 Speaker 4: getting the run six to one out of Oklahoma State, 425 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 4: shining in practice, shining in a little bit of the preseason. 426 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 4: So Jalen Wright, right before we started recording this podcast, 427 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 4: Dan he'd left with trainers, no details as of yet, 428 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 4: but with he and h Chan both banged up, Holly 429 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 4: Gordon is going to be your draft darling over the 430 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 4: next week. 431 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. 432 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 2: People raving about his performances in the preseason with a 433 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 2: physical sort of running. The question is that the Dolphins 434 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 2: going to have a lead? We would need that, surety. 435 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 2: That's the other question. I'm going to throw a couple 436 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 2: of other names out to you, Mike. James Cook has 437 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:00,880 Speaker 2: got his contract in Buffalo, no longer a hold in 438 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 2: and ready to go for a team that has big 439 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 2: fish to fry this season. Where are you on the 440 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 2: Bills back? 441 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 4: He's currently sitting at number fifteen. I'll do an outperform 442 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 4: with him because I think it'll be a bigger factor 443 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 4: in the passing game. And now he's gotten paid, so 444 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 4: you know that's that worry. Isn't there anymore? Receiving corps 445 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 4: not exactly world beating once again for Josh Allen see, 446 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 4: things must be really hard to recruit guys to be 447 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 4: a top end guy in Buffalo. I don't know. I 448 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 4: figured you want to hang out and if nothing else, 449 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,640 Speaker 4: Hailey Steinfeld can tell you all about the Marvel universe. 450 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,439 Speaker 4: Or maybe she's been sworn to secrecy of stuff that 451 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 4: even has long been released. I don't know, but either that, 452 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 4: either way, you know, I think James Cook is still 453 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 4: that guy, and he's going to need a big workload. 454 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,199 Speaker 4: Once again, you mentioned Ray Davis. He's down in that 455 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 4: low forties. I'd handcuff it because again, once she started 456 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 4: getting into the winter months, how you shortened games and 457 00:22:57,800 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 4: have to play to the elements at least until that 458 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 4: new stadium where they take the wind away. Once that's gone, 459 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 4: I mean, all bets are off and maybe it becomes 460 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,439 Speaker 4: a much more pass happy kind of place. But I 461 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 4: think in the interim Cook's gonna have to have a 462 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 4: big role. 463 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 2: I will make this comment on Kenneth Walker the Third. 464 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 2: I think that he and this is I feel like 465 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 2: it's the same every single year. I think he's lower 466 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 2: than he should be if he were to stay completely healthy. 467 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:27,120 Speaker 3: The change in. 468 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 2: Kenneth Walker the Third is now you've got a new 469 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 2: offensive coordinator in Clint Kubiak in Seattle. I really think 470 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 2: that the Seahawks are going to be a good defensive 471 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:40,679 Speaker 2: team and you're going to see a ball control offense 472 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 2: with that running game. And well, Walker hasn't played in 473 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:47,120 Speaker 2: the preseason, Zach Charbonay has shown that he's had some 474 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 2: success in the new zone blocking scheme. I'm curious. I 475 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 2: think it could be a big year for Kenneth Walker 476 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 2: the third, but I also think it's kind of a 477 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 2: make or break year for him because if he gets 478 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,919 Speaker 2: injured again, there's no way that you can count on 479 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 2: him on being your lead back. So as I look 480 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 2: at Kenneth Walker, Mike his draft position Fantasy Pros right now, 481 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 2: and a half point PPR league has him at about fifteenth. 482 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 3: I think he could easily be top ten, but. 483 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 2: Because the bottom falls out with the injury stuff puts 484 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,360 Speaker 2: him down to fifteen if I had if I had 485 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 2: my way, I would roll the dice and hope you 486 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 2: can hit a jackpot with Walker. 487 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:29,920 Speaker 4: I am one hundred percent with you. He'll be much better, 488 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,719 Speaker 4: I believe than the three point seven yards per carry 489 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 4: your ago. The thing that I think is most encouraging. 490 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 4: Also though, is that he was a bigger part of 491 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 4: the passing game. Let him out and go blow guys 492 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 4: up one on one, right, don't don't run, just straight 493 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 4: up the gut with him and make some plays. I'm 494 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 4: curious the other part of it. You mentioned Charbone. He's 495 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 4: sitting at thirty third to thirty fifth. I think there 496 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,640 Speaker 4: might be some value down there for him as well. 497 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, absolutely, at least in a handcuff situation. If 498 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,640 Speaker 2: you're still in to that sort of thing. I don't 499 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 2: know some people are. I don't know if they're they're there. 500 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 4: I like the way you phrased that. 501 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 2: Yes, I think I think I'll say these comments and 502 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 2: then you can you can respond with you with your 503 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 2: own backs. 504 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,400 Speaker 3: I think Breece Hall is being overvalued. Cuba Hubbard undervalued. 505 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 4: Cuba Hubbard had himself a nice year last year, very 506 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 4: quietly for U Man Carolina. There was a lot of 507 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 4: talk about Bryce Young early and that kind of died 508 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 4: because you know, we start getting into playoff worthy teams 509 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,679 Speaker 4: and whatever. But nice finish to the season. I think 510 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 4: year two would be even better. He's sitting at eighteen 511 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 4: to twenty. I think there's a great opportunity to outperform 512 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 4: at Brice Hall has already told you they don't love him. 513 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,880 Speaker 4: I'd be looking at if I wanted to go put 514 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 4: something and I can't play justin fields as a running back, 515 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 4: so I'd end up looking at Brailen Allen. That was 516 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,439 Speaker 4: so mean. Brailen Allen down where he is as an 517 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,919 Speaker 4: RB four. I think there's a chance, you know, he 518 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 4: ends up as a back end RB two before it's 519 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,400 Speaker 4: all said and done, and that you'll have a team 520 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 4: that's desperate for running back. Help go and grab Breis 521 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 4: Hall in a trade before this is all said and done. 522 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 2: Who are some other backs that you have your eye on, 523 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 2: either good or bad? And this kind of mix of 524 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 2: backs that you'll look to fill out your starting roster. 525 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,959 Speaker 4: Now, in some of the abbreviated previews we've done on 526 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,160 Speaker 4: our Fox Sports Sunday show, we mentioned Traveon Henderson. You're 527 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 4: watching his average draft position rise up. I believe the 528 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 4: hype and I think of what they're trying to do 529 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 4: with New England to re establish their identity, their format. Hell, 530 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 4: you got a coach diving into piles in practices, so 531 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 4: I think there's some excitement there. 532 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 3: R J. 533 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,880 Speaker 4: Harvey and Denver. If we believe Denver is the team 534 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 4: that is going to push forward a great year last year, right, 535 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,160 Speaker 4: and we talked about bo Nix and what he's doing, 536 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 4: but with that defense that you're going to have some 537 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 4: opportunity in Harvey becomes the number one there and pushes 538 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,640 Speaker 4: forward the other guys, I mean, Omarion Hampton is by 539 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 4: default going to see a heavy workload and a Harbaugh offense, 540 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 4: especially with Najee Harris hurt, and now they're scrambling to 541 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,199 Speaker 4: fill out depth just to get to opening days. So 542 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 4: opportunity there and then a little bit of a price 543 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 4: shot later when we look at like a Jordan Mason 544 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 4: in Minnesota, wondering if the bloom is off the rose 545 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 4: for Aaron Jones with JJ McCarthy and a new look offense, 546 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 4: curious the first couple of weeks to know Jordan Addison, 547 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 4: so how that offense comes out playing right off the jump. 548 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,640 Speaker 4: And then Tyrone Tracy had himself a nice year last year. 549 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 4: Now he's got the Camp Scatabo hanging out behind him, 550 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 4: so that clouds things a little, especially in short yarded situations. 551 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 4: But the Giants are interesting again owing to as you 552 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 4: and I love to do with the strength of a 553 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 4: defense and how that changes the complexion of what an 554 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,680 Speaker 4: offense is trying to do well. Jackson Dart will eventually 555 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,119 Speaker 4: be the guy. Russell Wilson's best days were four or 556 00:27:58,160 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 4: five years ago, not that he can't still throw the 557 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 4: moon ball and shock you. So Malik Neighbors fans, don't worry. 558 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 4: We'll get to you in the Wide Receiver podcast. But 559 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,159 Speaker 4: I still think you can have some opportunity there, and 560 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 4: I think Tracy at twenty seven to thirty will outperform. 561 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 2: Also in that San Gruber a pair of Pittsburgh running backs. 562 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 2: I know Caleb Johnson is getting the hype, but still 563 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 2: if things work out early with Jalen Warren and you're 564 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,360 Speaker 2: also looking for a guy who could catch the football 565 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,199 Speaker 2: out of the backfield, I know that Johnson, being the 566 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 2: young guy in the physical back touchdowns can all way 567 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 2: in to put him over the top of Warren. But 568 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 2: I just think if Warren produces, Pittsburgh is going to 569 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 2: stay with it with him because they're all in for 570 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 2: this season, like this is everybody's there. So if it 571 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 2: works early, I don't think they're going to make a change. 572 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 2: And then Traves Etn has been a name that's popped 573 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 2: up in the possible trade rumors that could really shake 574 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 2: things up. I think both you and I like Tank 575 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 2: Bigsby more in Jacksonville. I mean, especially in a standard league, 576 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 2: but that could be a if something would happen and 577 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 2: Etn would be on the move, that could shake up 578 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 2: a couple of different running back rooms in the NFL. 579 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 4: His value a great for trade absolutely, And then you 580 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 4: got a great name in Bigsby. I mean, how great 581 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 4: is that? A couple of guys really deep as we 582 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 4: go through I mean we talked about Joe Mixon being 583 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 4: a bit of an injury question right now as we 584 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 4: get ready for the season, Nick Chubb's being drafted as 585 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 4: the fifty third running back. I know they've got some 586 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 4: young guys on the roster, but assuming and Chubb is 587 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 4: eighty percent of what he once was for a couple 588 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 4: of weeks, you got some value. And then going further 589 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 4: down the list, we talked a lot about Derrick Henry. 590 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 4: How about we go for a little bit of a 591 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 4: price shot with the speedster Keaton Mitchell coming back. Sure, yeah, 592 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 4: I'd be remiss. I got to give it. Think of 593 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 4: the guy's name Woody Marx wood He over there in Houston. 594 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, he's been popping up. And I don't know 595 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 2: what the Texans offensive line is. 596 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 3: You know it's still bad. 597 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, question on how that's gonna break out. I 598 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 2: hate to bring an old name into this, but I'm 599 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 2: gonna do it. Hit it Raheem Ostert with Las Vegas 600 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 2: for as much as they run, and we'll run the 601 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 2: football again for us talking about Genty at least as 602 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 2: a backup if anything were to happen to Genty and 603 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 2: what would be a run centric offense. I think Moster 604 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 2: could have some value, so maybe a late pick. He's 605 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 2: all the way down at seventy four overall according to 606 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 2: Fantasy Pros, but if something were to happen to Genty, 607 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 2: I think his value would jump up extremely high. 608 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 4: I'd love to see some of the names that are 609 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 4: still on this list, because it goes like one hundred 610 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 4: and twenty guys deeps like that guy's still playing. No, 611 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 4: that guy's not a roster Yeah. 612 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 2: Frank George Junior is one hundred and fiftieth. So there 613 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 2: there you go. It just keeps going and going and going. 614 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 2: We won't We're gonna end our running Back Talk, just 615 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 2: to let you know we're gonna be back with more 616 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 2: episodes of wide receivers and tight ends, plus our Top sixty, 617 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,120 Speaker 2: and then when the season starts, will give you a 618 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 2: week one preview in so much more looking forward to it, Mike, 619 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 2: this is fun. It's so great to be back in 620 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 2: the mode. 621 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 4: Good to be back at it. So many names, so 622 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 4: many storylines, and a full two seventy two of glorious 623 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 4: football ahead of us. 624 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 3: For Mike Carmen, I'm Dan Bayer. 625 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 2: It's our running Back preview here on I want here 626 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 2: flex Talk to you next time. 627 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 3: Have a good one.