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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, it's Bill Courney with an army of normal folks.

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Speaker 1: And we continue now a part two of our conversation

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Speaker 1: with Sean and Inga Arvin. Right after these brief messages

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Speaker 1: from our general sponsors to get to love city, you

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Speaker 1: two guys met, how briefly we've eaten up so much

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Speaker 1: time with some really cool stuff. Briefly, first of all,

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Speaker 1: how do you get from there to Louisville? And why?

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Speaker 1: And then how to jell me?

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Speaker 2: So kind of when I said in the beginning, like

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Speaker 2: when you join the intelligence community, it's like joining the military.

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Speaker 2: So even as a contractor, it took the government about

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Speaker 2: five years to catch up on their hiring. So about

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Speaker 2: five years into it, I remember, I'm still doing the

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Speaker 2: job of a government employee. The government started coming to

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Speaker 2: all these contractors and saying, okay, we're if you want

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Speaker 2: to stay doing this role, you're going to have to

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Speaker 2: be a government employee, or you tell your company you

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Speaker 2: want to go somewhere else.

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Speaker 3: So that's what started happening.

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Speaker 2: So I started seeing the writing on the wall, and

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Speaker 2: then it was it was the same decision that I

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Speaker 2: had to make when I was in that briefing. Do

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Speaker 2: I want this to be my life and my career.

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Speaker 2: And I felt no, like that.

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Speaker 3: I don't I.

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Speaker 2: Already had, Like I mean, now, watch, this is only

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Speaker 2: part of what I did. Like I already had a

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Speaker 2: whole bunch of stuff I couldn't talk about. And it's

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Speaker 2: real hard to get another job when you say.

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Speaker 3: Well, I have experience, but I can't tell you what

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Speaker 3: it is. So I decided to get out.

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Speaker 2: And I have family in Lexington, and so I just

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Speaker 2: drove out to Kentucky. It's like, Louisville feels nice.

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Speaker 3: It's an hour away from Lexton.

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Speaker 4: That's good.

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Speaker 3: That's good.

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Speaker 2: So then I just started applying for jobs and got

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Speaker 2: a job with Humana and moved to Louisville.

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Speaker 1: And you all met.

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Speaker 4: You'll maintain that part, sure, yeah, So we remember I

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Speaker 4: was telling you I went to decided to apply for

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Speaker 4: and didn't know her, but Inga applied in twenty fourteen

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Speaker 4: how they do economics. And so we both. I applied

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Speaker 4: And the crazy part was because I just had fall

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Speaker 4: looking for a mother's love. I mean, you go through

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Speaker 2: I was angry at God. Yeah, I was very angry

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Speaker 1: So you meet in Rome of all places, all.

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Speaker 4: studying and there was this guy come in, came in

436
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 4: the house and we had a bulldog, English bulldog, and uh,

437
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,160
Speaker 4: he didn't make any noise. But I heard some noise

438
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,439
Speaker 4: down in the kitchen and I was like, man, what

439
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,640
Speaker 4: is going on? And I was like, tanked On, that's

440
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 4: his name, tank And I said, he don't make noise

441
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 4: like that. And I came downstairs and there was a

442
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 4: guy in our kitchen like who had came in? And

443
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 4: I went back upstairs and ben ex military, I do

444
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 4: have a firearm, So I told Inga, I said you

445
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 4: stay up here until I cleared this house. And because

446
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 4: there the wall was where you couldn't see it and

447
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 4: you could look out in the story, it's a crazy

448
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 4: funny story in the end. Uh, but but there's this

449
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 4: wall and you can't see I can only see he won.

450
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 4: So in my past, you know, I was like, how

451
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 4: am I going to clear this with only one person?

452
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 4: And this dude's behind this wall, and I don't know

453
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 4: if there's more you know, I don't know if there's

454
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 4: more people back there. So I sneak around to the

455
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 4: side and I see him and he's in the fridge,

456
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 4: and I draw my firearm and and I'm like, dude,

457
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 4: you better get on the ground right now. And he,

458
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 4: uh had pulled out a bottle of wine and he

459
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 4: was trying to get and like he's in this fridge

460
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,199
Speaker 4: and he puts it down and he gets down on

461
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,439
Speaker 4: the ground and I clear the rest of the house.

462
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 4: I tell Inga to call nine one one. She calls

463
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 4: nine one one, and you know, we're telling people where

464
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 4: somebody's in our house. And uh, I tell INGA get

465
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,199
Speaker 4: out of the house, go out the front, and go

466
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 4: next door. And we used to have this hippie dude

467
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,679
Speaker 4: who lived next door to us named Dave, who was

468
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 4: a military navy. I said, go burn and get Dave

469
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 4: and have him come over here right now. And I've

470
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 4: got him on the ground and he's like just laid out,

471
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 4: and Dave comes in and he's like standing there, and

472
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,400
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, you can start to hear sirens

473
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 4: in the distance coming and the dude starts to get

474
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:24,120
Speaker 4: up and Dave goes, hey, buddy, man, I don't know

475
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 4: if you know this, but this dude is an army

476
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:31,679
Speaker 4: dude with a ton of PTSD. And I suggest that

477
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 4: you just laid or he's gonna blow your head off.

478
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 3: Like guy just lays back down.

479
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,439
Speaker 4: I cannot tell you, but the dude just like all

480
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 4: air went out. He laid down. Man. Come to find out, Man,

481
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 4: this dude was an ex veteran man in the Vietnam

482
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 4: War and had came in who was an alcoholic, got disorientated,

483
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 4: had a tumor in his brain. He was in his

484
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 4: house and was just pouring himself a glass wine and man,

485
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 4: they get him out front and they get him into

486
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 4: the car, and I'm sitting on the front porch withing

487
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 4: and our swing and I'm just balling. I'm a mess man.

488
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 4: I'm just like, man, I still got a lot of

489
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 4: healing to do. And I asked the police officer and

490
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 4: by then they had like the FBI there and all

491
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,919
Speaker 4: kinds of people swat and I just said, can I

492
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 4: please just go over and I can just pray for him?

493
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:41,199
Speaker 4: And they said yeah, sure, man, And I pray for

494
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 4: all the police huddle up and I pray for them,

495
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 4: you know, just because man, they go through so much

496
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 4: trauma that they end up hating people instead of loving people.

497
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 4: And I prayed for mister fall Bush and man, it

498
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 4: was just amazing. And then we stayed connected, came friends.

499
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 4: I would win. Then it would take him Thanksgiving Bill.

500
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 4: He would come on Friday nights to the back porch

501
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:10,400
Speaker 4: with everybody else, have a couple of beers. One day,

502
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 4: Inga's getting in the car to go to Human and

503
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 4: we're sitting I'm walking her out and this big truck

504
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,959
Speaker 4: like three f three fifty pulls up in the and

505
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 4: it's this big, huge, burly man and he jumps oute

506
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 4: of the car. Is there a Sean orvind that lives here?

507
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 4: And I was like, holy crap, man, this is gonna

508
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 4: be a big task. And I tell your man, baby,

509
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 4: just go ahead and go I got. He comes over

510
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 4: and he whipside his hand. I mean it was like

511
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 4: a huge paw and he was just like, dude, I

512
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 4: want to shake the hand that saved my brother's life.

513
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 4: And it was mister Faulbush's brother who used to be

514
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 4: an offensive lineman for U K and was just like dude,

515
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 4: I don't know how you did that, but thank you man,

516
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 4: thank you. Yeah, it was a crazy story.

517
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: So how do you get it to the place that

518
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: you bought?

519
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 3: So so all that was happening.

520
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,719
Speaker 2: So so we I had lived there for five years

521
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 2: and knew hardly none of my neighbors, and Sean moves

522
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 2: in and within three months new on the streets.

523
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 3: Everybody. So we had people come in.

524
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 4: I could tell you pre Jesus that was not like this,

525
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 4: I got it.

526
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 2: So we had people come in every Friday just hanging out.

527
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 2: And we felt like, I mean that because that that

528
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 2: neighborhood is fairly old, and so the house was one

529
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 2: hundred years old, and so we felt like, well, let's

530
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 2: just get a little fixed up, get.

531
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 3: It painted, put it a new HVAC. You know, it's

532
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 3: thirty year old of hvax.

533
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 2: So we started doing all that, and then we felt

534
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 2: like we should put it on the market.

535
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 3: Like not any idea.

536
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 2: We were going to move or where we were going

537
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 2: to go or anything like that. We just felt like

538
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 2: we were being allowed to put it on the market.

539
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 2: So we put on market and it's.

540
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 4: Sold, and we put it for like.

541
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 1: A high.

542
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 3: A little higher. Yeah, and we got a cash offer.

543
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 4: I mean it was you know, one walks up. I'm

544
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 4: in the house. This woman walks up. We just put

545
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 4: it for sales, signed out. She walks up, bangs on

546
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 4: the door, and I come out and she was like, yeah,

547
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 4: I want to see the house. And I said, ma'am,

548
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 4: you gotta go through my rip call my road right there.

549
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 4: And she goes, I want to see it now. And

550
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 4: I was just like, man, we have my dogs out.

551
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 4: I mean, we're not set up for it like for you.

552
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 4: She goes, I want to see it now, and I said, ma'am,

553
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 4: you just call him and then he'll tell me when

554
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 4: every the appointment is. She she goes outside, and about

555
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 4: five minutes later, our roader calls and goes, dude, you

556
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 4: better let this lady because she wants to buy the

557
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 4: house now. And she walks in. She walks around the house,

558
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 4: and she goes, okay, I'll be in contact with you

559
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 4: that afternoon. It was cash offer for what we asked.

560
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: Wow.

561
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 4: Yeah. We were like woa, yeah, this is crazy.

562
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 2: So at that at that point, we we had a

563
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 2: little cabin down at a lake like an hour and

564
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 2: an hour south of Louisville and so we were like, well,

565
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 2: I guess we will go stay there for a little while.

566
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 2: So Sean went down for a few days just kind

567
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 2: of pray and get away, and I mean, it's.

568
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 3: Only twenty four hours. And I was like, can I

569
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 3: come down and hang out with you?

570
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 4: So we love to be together? Yeah, good, like non stop,

571
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 4: I guess. So I went down. They're like, I need

572
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 4: my space. You got your name, man, there is no space,

573
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 4: so I'm in your space.

574
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 2: So I'm driving down to the to the cabin and yeah,

575
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 2: you have to go out sixty four to Indian and

576
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 2: then go south back into Kentucky. And so going that

577
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 2: way you go past Portland, like on the west.

578
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 3: Side of Louisville.

579
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 2: And so I go past the twenty second Street exit,

580
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 2: which is right there Portland, and it just it was

581
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 2: one of those things where like it wasn't like an

582
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 2: audible voice, but it was like, we're.

583
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,719
Speaker 3: Moving to Portland, like God saying like you're moving to Portland.

584
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 2: And I was like, okay, I don't know what that

585
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 2: looks like, but all right, now, remember I'm not from Louisville.

586
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 2: So I go down to Sean and I say, hey,

587
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 2: you know, I think we're supposed to move.

588
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 3: To Portland, and he was like, you mean Oregon. I

589
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 3: was like, no, no, in Louisville.

590
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 2: And he was like yeah, no, no, no, you're talking

591
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 2: about it.

592
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 3: That ain't gonna be moving.

593
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 4: Because that's why you spy my drugs in that neighbor.

594
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 4: I knew, like, this is not the neighborhood for us

595
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 4: to move too. And she was adamant. She was like, no,

596
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 4: we're moving there. And I was like, okay, man, let's

597
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 4: go see what's Yeah, we'll be right back.

598
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,719
Speaker 3: So we just down there and started driving around.

599
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 4: Found a house that we most definitely was just like, wow, man,

600
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 4: this is the house that we love. I just want

601
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 4: to come here and do the same thing like we

602
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 4: did over in the other side of town and just

603
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 4: get to know our neighbors and love people and man,

604
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 4: just be on the journey with them. Uh.

605
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: I heard the But the house deal itself was interesting.

606
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 4: Yeah.

607
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 3: So the house had been boarded up for about thirty

608
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 3: years at that point.

609
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: Is that all? Yeah, I'm sure there's nothing wrong with it.

610
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, was right.

611
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, there wasn't really much anything right with it.

612
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: So the house was was basically the house was.

613
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 3: The house wasn't yeah.

614
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 2: So the the the bones of the house was were good,

615
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 2: but the house was.

616
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 3: Not all that was there.

617
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,959
Speaker 4: So no toy, there wasn't no yeah, there wasn't anything.

618
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 3: It was framing was there.

619
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 2: But the how next door to the house was a

620
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 2: twenty thousand square foot old community center. That so we

621
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 2: so we went to go approach the owner of the

622
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 2: house because there wasn't like a first sale sign or

623
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 2: anything out front.

624
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 3: And we were like, we're interested in the house.

625
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,479
Speaker 4: Who it was? And we went over there to talk

626
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 4: to him, and man, what a story. This dude had

627
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,240
Speaker 4: an or from at eleven years old from New York City,

628
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 4: caught a Greyhound bus, ended up in downtown Louisville and

629
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 4: just built a life for himself and Bobby and just

630
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 4: owned a car lot there. We go over to talk

631
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 4: to him. He takes us in the building, shows us

632
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 4: all around. We're recording it, you know.

633
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 2: Looking He's like, he said, well, the house is it's

634
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 2: a package.

635
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 4: Like if i'll give it to you for free.

636
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 2: I'll give it to you for free, but you got

637
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 2: to buy the building, the community.

638
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 4: The community.

639
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: You can have the house, you can house twenty thousand

640
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: behemoth sitting here. Now, why why was that his.

641
00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 4: Deal because it was all on one d and he

642
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 4: wanted if he was going to say, so, you guys

643
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 4: are looking for a house. And then we ended up

644
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 4: with the community center and he told us he told us,

645
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 4: he told us the price, and we were like, a man,

646
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 4: let us go home and think about it. We want

647
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,439
Speaker 4: to pray. And uh. I think one of the most

648
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 4: beautiful parts of that story was we get home, we're

649
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 4: thinking about it. We're like, man, man, are we supposed

650
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 4: to do that?

651
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 1: You know?

652
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 4: We know how to do this, how loving on people,

653
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 4: and that's a big endeavor, you know, And we're we're

654
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 4: contemplating about it. And I said, I tell you what, man,

655
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 4: you go to your prayer room, because then you had

656
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 4: a prayer room, And I'm gonna go up to my

657
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,439
Speaker 4: office and spend as much time as you need. I'm

658
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 4: going to pray, and you pray, and let's get back

659
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 4: together when we're done. And asked the Lord to tell

660
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 4: you what we should offer. And we both came back

661
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 4: down probably by half hour later, was sitting in the

662
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 4: living room and we both had it on paper and

663
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 4: we flipped them over and it was the same exact number,

664
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 4: fifty thousand dollars less than what he was asking. And

665
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 4: we walk in and we're talking to him, and this

666
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 4: dude is like he loves inga not too fond of Sean.

667
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 4: You know. He's just a staunch business o rough.

668
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, he's got a heart of gold.

669
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, he tries to hide it up, like the dude

670
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 4: plays Elvis, you know, the dude it has up in

671
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 4: the parades and anything we ask him to do, he'll come.

672
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 3: He'll show take people in the neighborhood.

673
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 4: I mean, but it's all hidden. He's you know, he

674
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 4: doesn't want people to know. And so we walk in,

675
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,760
Speaker 4: we're talking to him, and I was just like, here's

676
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 4: our offer, and we tell him what our offer is.

677
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,879
Speaker 4: And he stands up and he's got tears in his eyes,

678
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 4: and he comes over and he shakes my hand and

679
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 4: he says, you gotta deal. And I've been waiting for

680
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:01,879
Speaker 4: you waiting he didn't know it, didn't even know it, said,

681
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 4: I've been waiting for you all to come. And he's

682
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 4: watched us over the years, just transformed this boy.

683
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

684
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 4: So you get the house done eleven weeks with no

685
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 4: idea how to do construction at all. Yeah, Yeah, so

686
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 4: now you've got your house, but you've got this twenty

687
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 4: thousand foot thing over here. There was a tenant in

688
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 4: it at the time, and we thought they said they

689
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 4: wanted to stay there for like five years. They were

690
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 4: going to do all this work in the community. And

691
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 4: we were like, man, cool, we can do we can

692
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 4: do it together, you know. And then first month Comes

693
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 4: doesn't pay his mortgage. Second month, Comes doesn't pay his rent.

694
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 4: Third month, and we're like, bro, you gotta like pay

695
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,399
Speaker 4: your rent, you know, And he's like, no, we're in

696
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 4: you know Jesus, and I know Jesus, so maybe I

697
00:37:53,640 --> 00:38:00,919
Speaker 4: shouldn't have to pay. I don't know what kingdom you lived,

698
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 4: that's not that Jesus, the kingdom economies, you know. And

699
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:06,720
Speaker 4: then and then that turns into.

700
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: Like did you look at him and say do you

701
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,479
Speaker 1: know you need to pay your rent? Because my wife

702
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: is this dude had.

703
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 4: Like over standing in my living room all of us

704
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 4: and all this stuff. And then turns around and it's

705
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 4: like you're a terrible person.

706
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 3: Because you're making yeah, okay.

707
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: Well, then the next word is goodbye.

708
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 4: Yeah. Wait then the process oh yeah, And then we

709
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 4: had to go through the court system, which I hate

710
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 4: it because I have such a big heart. Man, I'm

711
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 4: just like, this sucks. We're sitting in there and the

712
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 4: judge goes hit her gavel for us to come up,

713
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 4: and we get up there and she goes, oh, this

714
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 4: should be interesting. Someone's kicking a church.

715
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's see who's the big thing of church. And

716
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 3: I'm like prejudice.

717
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 4: Much like, man, this just got like so we had

718
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 4: to get a lawyer involved, and then we found one

719
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 4: pro bono who helped, and we had to get Oh

720
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 4: it was horrific.

721
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the first That was the first experience.

722
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 4: Experience and we were just like what God, man, we

723
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 4: know you called us to do this, you asked us

724
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 4: to come down here, you were doing it. Man, I

725
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 4: don't know about this. This is like, so this dude

726
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 4: ends up moving out. That's in October. Me and Inga

727
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 4: have no idea about Love City, like what we're going

728
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 4: to do.

729
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: It's not even a name Love Now.

730
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 4: We didn't even name Love City. So we start praying.

731
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,280
Speaker 4: It was like the end of September October we started

732
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 4: You're fifteen fifteen, and then we we ended up going

733
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 4: down to Savannah, Georgia, where Inget's families from on a

734
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,959
Speaker 4: road trip, like we are here with you. We get

735
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 4: down there and we're staying in the Marriott and we

736
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 4: just start getting all these I opened up those books

737
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 4: about the dreams that he had given me, and we

738
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 4: start putting posted notes all over the room of like

739
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 4: how what's this look like? You know, it was just

740
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 4: like dreaming and praying and asking like what do you want?

741
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 4: What do you want? What's this look like? How do

742
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 4: we help? And by the end of those four days,

743
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 4: we had a five year business plan of like what

744
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 4: it would look.

745
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: That community center which was attached to a house because

746
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: you needed to buy a place, was eventually going to

747
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: look like yep.

748
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 4: And we had this dream. And the way he Love

749
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 4: City came about is in scripture, it says I love

750
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,240
Speaker 4: because he says that we are created in his image.

751
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 4: And a lot of people think that's a human form.

752
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 4: But what does he say his image is. He says

753
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 4: God is love and that's his image, and that's what

754
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 4: he wants us to be is the peerness of him,

755
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 4: because that's what Jesus was. Jesus was full of God,

756
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 4: full of human We could get into a long debate,

757
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 4: but I believe that so are we We're just uh.

758
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 4: Jesus says that, man, I'm the firstborn brother and the minie,

759
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 4: so we're all sons and daughters and we all should

760
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 4: be living with the same power and the same love

761
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 4: that Jesus came here to bring to earth, is what

762
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 4: I would say. But a lot of people don't know this.

763
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 4: But it's hidden and it says Love City, but it

764
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 4: really means God's City, because God is love. Got it?

765
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: So how does it start? This thing's got a basketball floor?

766
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like literally laying in the floor and we're like,

767
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 2: what are we gonna do?

768
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 4: Now? Yes, it's crazy, man, We're just like laying there

769
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 4: and I'm like, well, we got a basketball I mean

770
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 4: and when I tell you, man that the gym today

771
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 4: doesn't look like goals were falling down, no nets. It

772
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 4: was just oh, broken down bleachers that you couldn't even

773
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 4: pull out. It was just a drop down ceiling. We're

774
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 4: half the ply with was falling down because the roof

775
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 4: if it rained hard, man, just like in the corner

776
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 4: just put me.

777
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 1: It was just like it was a disaster.

778
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 4: It was just like what am I doing here? This

779
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 4: is this is insane. I'm sure you know from us

780
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 4: being knowing your story there was you probably asked the

781
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 4: same questions on a drive home on a lot of nights,

782
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 4: like yeah, yeah, this is what I got say from

783
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 4: each other. Now you know, looking back, I love how

784
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 4: God works and I'm sure he worked this with you.

785
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 4: He tingled your heart, he got your attention, he got

786
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 4: your yes. I think that that's the most important thing

787
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 4: is the follower of Jesus is get your yes and

788
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 4: then you get he gets the yes. He moves you

789
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 4: into it. He doesn't give you any like what you're

790
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 4: going to go through, and then all of a sudden

791
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 4: you go through all this stuff and that's when you

792
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 4: start questioning, like because we're humans, right and we're.

793
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: H you mean like you mean like being angry and

794
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: fourteen years later being engaged over a Guinness in Ireland. Yeah,

795
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: something like that.

796
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, something kind of like that, something kind of

797
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 4: like that.

798
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: Right. So you open this place for kids to come

799
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: play basketball, expecting ten kids to.

800
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 4: Show up, have over three thousand and five years. That's

801
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 4: put you went too fast? What happened the first year?

802
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 4: First year? So there was this kid that when I

803
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 4: was redoing our house, there was this kid and we

804
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 4: have to go back a little bit. But pre Love

805
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 4: City in July that year, we moved in in June

806
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 4: twenty fifteen into the house, thinking, man, we got five

807
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 4: years because this dude's going to be in the in

808
00:43:54,760 --> 00:44:00,399
Speaker 4: the building and we're gonna have a block party. And

809
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 4: we decided, man, let's have a black party and see

810
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 4: what happens. That's in July, and we think we're going

811
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 4: to maybe fifty of our neighbors will show up, and

812
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:12,720
Speaker 4: we had over eight hundred people show up from across

813
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 4: the city into this across Portland.

814
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 3: We're not even talking more of them.

815
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, like people come from everywhere. Eight hundred people.

816
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: Including the dude that broke in and stole your wine. Mister, Yeah,

817
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 1: I wish you.

818
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 4: Would have been welcome, So it would have been. But

819
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 4: we did have Kenneth who helped do a lot of

820
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 4: repairs on our house, who lived over there on that side.

821
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 4: But we had a lot of people from our neighborhood.

822
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:45,720
Speaker 4: They did come down and see what we.

823
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 3: Were, including I think the Heather who bought our house.

824
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:49,439
Speaker 4: She can't she came.

825
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 1: Okay, so all these people show up. Yeah, but still

826
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: this is not Love City. This is a broken down.

827
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 4: Community center that you're saying, hey, everybody show up. So

828
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 4: then we end up uh being still got her job,

829
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 4: she still want I got paid the bills here. You know,

830
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 4: we bought this. A lot of people don't understand, like

831
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 4: how it evolved was, meaning bought this off the surplus

832
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:24,240
Speaker 4: of what we made off of her house. And people

833
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 4: don't understand when you get a commercial loan, it's not

834
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 4: like you're putting five thousand dollars down. Man, if you're

835
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 4: a first time person ever doing something they need or more. Yeah,

836
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 4: and a two hundred and seventy five thousand dollars loan,

837
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 4: and they went fifty thousand bucks. So all the money

838
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 4: that we had, like off that's oude of the house.

839
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 3: Went straight up the went to the.

840
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 4: Bank for us to get this commercial loan to get started.

841
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: So then we took get started with something that didn't

842
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 1: even a thing yet.

843
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, they didn't need any thing. So then we

844
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:59,720
Speaker 4: come back from Savannah and I told.

845
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,720
Speaker 1: Inga meaning, you guys really put.

846
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 5: Literally everything when when it monetarily, not emotionally, not spiritually,

847
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 5: but physically monetarily without having a single person in the place.

848
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,760
Speaker 1: Yet you literally put everything you had into this house

849
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 1: and this his property, on blind faith that something good

850
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 1: was going to come of it.

851
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 4: With no idea of how we were going to sustain it.

852
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: You didn't even have income.

853
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 2: No, no, I mean we had got my job, which

854
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 2: was paying the mortgage and that was about it.

855
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 4: Yeah. So no, no, no form of sustainability.

856
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: And you said the school that you both got your

857
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 1: nbas from is a good school. You said, this is

858
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:46,320
Speaker 1: a good school.

859
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 4: Right when you followed Jesus Man, all that goes out

860
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 4: the window. Okay, so people love writing a plan and

861
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 4: then asking God to bless the plan and he laughs

862
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 4: and he goes, no, it's my plan, and you just

863
00:46:59,320 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 4: followed me.

864
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: We'll be right back. So what happens?

865
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 4: So I told inga uh Man. There was a kid

866
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 4: that used to walk down in front of our house

867
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 4: every day when he get off the bus when I

868
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 4: was renovating it. And his name was Dante uh Deontae

869
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 4: Deonte and he would always have a basketball and I

870
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 4: was like, dude, you any good and you know, shooting

871
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 4: the crap with him and he would be like yeah, man.

872
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 4: I said, man, one day, dude, I'm gonna show you

873
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 4: basketball and I'm gonna school you and just talking, smacking

874
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 4: me and him would talk smack him. And when we

875
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 4: got back from Savannah, they had love, had no idea

876
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 4: what was going on, didn't even know the buttons to

877
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 4: turn on the lights anything in the building. Figuring all

878
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 4: that got a group of keys like this being don't

879
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,399
Speaker 4: even know. You don't even half the air conditioning don't work,

880
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 4: none of it works, no heat. Man, It's just like insane.

881
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 4: So that day, when when we got back, Inga went

882
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 4: to work and I said, I'm open up the gym

883
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 4: today and just see what happens. And she was like, okay,

884
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 4: I said, I'm gonna. I said, I'm gonna do it

885
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,720
Speaker 4: at two thirty when they get it. When the bus

886
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 4: comes out front. And the bus pulled up out front

887
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 4: and I'm sitting on the steps out there and the

888
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 4: first person get off the bus was Yonte And I said,

889
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 4: you ready for that game, sucker? And he was like,

890
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 4: what do you mean? And I'm sitting in front of

891
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 4: the building and he was like what do you mean.

892
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 4: I said, Wow, I owned the gym, I thought me,

893
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 4: and you could choose some hoops and he was like,

894
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 4: you don't own that building. I said, yeah, dude, man,

895
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 4: I just never told you. I just when you know

896
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 4: that I'm just a neighbor who loves you. And he

897
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 4: was like, yeah, man, I'll shoot some hoops. And that

898
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 4: one kid grew into over three thousand different kids coming

899
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 4: into that atmosphere over the next five years.

900
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 2: We had about between like two to three hundred a

901
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 2: day that were coming between two thirty and eight.

902
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: You alone cannot handle two or three hundred kids.

903
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 4: I did for about the first year, and then people

904
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 4: started showing up that wanted to help. And the first

905
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 4: year there's a sign in the gym that there's like

906
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,919
Speaker 4: six rules that you got to follow, and I used

907
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 4: to just have them on a poster board hanging up

908
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 4: as you come in, and I don't remember them all.

909
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 4: One of them is no racial slurs, and at the

910
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 4: very end it says most of all, you got to

911
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 4: love one another. And it's just simple. God. I had

912
00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 4: to come up with some rules. Don't come on yeah,

913
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 4: like it was crazy. So I just had a poster

914
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 4: board hanging up on the gym. We didn't have signed in,

915
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 4: we didn't keep recording anybody in the early beginning.

916
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 1: No insurance in case somebody.

917
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 4: Breaks and in October when we got the name Love City.

918
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 4: We came back and ing It says, I'm gonna apply

919
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 4: for a five O one C three And we figured

920
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 4: out how to do it ourselves, but they said it

921
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 4: could take a year to two years forever. Yeah, by

922
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 4: November first we had five one.

923
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: Really yeah, print.

924
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:46,959
Speaker 4: Take four every November first we got it in the mail,

925
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:48,359
Speaker 4: got it in the middle.

926
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 1: So now you've got and I assume over the five

927
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: years that these kids are coming in, you're doing little

928
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:56,240
Speaker 1: upgrades on the building.

929
00:50:56,320 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, and and and then also the very first we're

930
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 4: standing out back a Friday night, me and inga Are

931
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,720
Speaker 4: and the group that had been before they were serving

932
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 4: some sandwiches out of the back, like fish.

933
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 1: Uh.

934
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 4: And there was like ten people who would come on

935
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 4: Friday and get a fish sandwich or something. And so

936
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 4: I'm standing back there one night we're locking up and

937
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 4: these people pulled in the back park a lot and

938
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 4: they said, can we get a fish sandwich? We don't

939
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:32,240
Speaker 4: have no fish And they were like, oh, well, maybe

940
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 4: you should. And I was like, and maybe we should.

941
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 4: The next week we started a fish fry in the

942
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:44,800
Speaker 4: back of an illegal don't have a hood.

943
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 1: Why did these people think you had a fish sandwich

944
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: in the first place.

945
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 3: Well, the people who were renting the building from us

946
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,280
Speaker 3: occasionally they would do fishing.

947
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 1: Us.

948
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 4: So we're standing there and I was like, huh. So

949
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 4: by the next Friday, I had figured out how to

950
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 4: do a fish fry. So we had one Fridaddy. I'm

951
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 4: talking about Friday one Friday, yep, and it was going

952
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 4: to work. I put up, took another piece of post ward,

953
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 4: put a sign upside fish fry and hung it on

954
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:22,280
Speaker 4: the fence like with packing tape, and said five dollars

955
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:26,479
Speaker 4: fish sandwiches. And man, that week we had probably eight

956
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 4: people come in and buy a fish sandwich. And in

957
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 4: those five years it grew from five people on that

958
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:40,280
Speaker 4: first Friday to over four hundred people coming in every

959
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 4: Friday buying fish. So we would have the gym going on,

960
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 4: we would have people hanging out, we would have neighbors

961
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 4: what we called near and far coming and buying fish.

962
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 4: But we had a community. We got a community going

963
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 4: on now and we're self sustainable.

964
00:52:56,560 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 2: Because so my paycheck was still paying the mortgage, but

965
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:03,359
Speaker 2: the light and water bill for that building was as much,

966
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:04,280
Speaker 2: if not more.

967
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 4: Mortgage fifteen hundred bucks a month.

968
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 3: Right, the fish was paying that.

969
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

970
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, So meanwhile you're growing the safe. Yeah, while we

971
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: got kids that didn't exist.

972
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 4: You have no idea, you do you? Yeah, I saw

973
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:28,359
Speaker 4: your document. I said. We were both going yeah been there,

974
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:32,839
Speaker 4: been there? Oh yeah, yeah, uh been a part of that.

975
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 4: And and what we didn't know was the complexity of

976
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 4: what was happening there. So many people were coming that

977
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:49,399
Speaker 4: we had like four different gangs showing up everything out

978
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 4: in together, and I had them all working together every

979
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 4: once in a while. Man, it takes something.

980
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 1: So it's a fairy difficult culture to navigate when you're

981
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 1: doing stuff that those kids are melding together happily. But

982
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 1: then when they leave you and they go back to their.

983
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 4: Colors, yeah, and they go to the Instagram and they

984
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:19,400
Speaker 4: go back, and all of that requires.

985
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 1: A different type of interaction and balancing those two can

986
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 1: be really, really difficult.

987
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 4: And we had like six, you know, events per year

988
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 4: where people would come together every every week.

989
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: Did it we go out? The first time you would

990
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 1: see two kids having a lot of fun and getting

991
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: along together, and then you would find out later that

992
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 1: each of their two groups of friends were then fighting

993
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: and carrying on. Did you.

994
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:51,439
Speaker 4: They wigged me out. The most was when I had

995
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 4: a family in there. A kid who was fourteen. There's

996
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 4: his brothers who were like six and eight. And then

997
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 4: I had another group that was like the same age,

998
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:12,359
Speaker 4: and you got to remember my past. So I dis

999
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 4: sermons off the hook. You know, I know what's going

1000
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 4: on here. I mean drugs. I know what's what you

1001
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 4: guys are going through. So I could speak truth to

1002
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:24,919
Speaker 4: them and love. Man. It took me a year. Bill.

1003
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 4: I used to say, I love in the movie how

1004
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 4: the one dude said the other dude was gay. And

1005
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 4: when I used to tell all those dudes because there

1006
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:38,720
Speaker 4: would be eighty percent of those three thousand work dudes,

1007
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 4: because we had a gym for you to shoot, and

1008
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 4: they would show up and I would tell I knew

1009
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 4: every one of them by name. I knew every day.

1010
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:49,959
Speaker 4: When they were leaving, I would give them a hug

1011
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 4: and I would say, I want you to know I

1012
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 4: love you. And they used to. At first, they would

1013
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 4: be like pushing me away, dude, don't you man, don't

1014
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 4: say that to me. And then and then about after

1015
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 4: six months of doing this, they finally started saying, hey,

1016
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 4: miss Sean, I wants you know, I love you too,

1017
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 4: but no, homo.

1018
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 1: That's always.

1019
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 4: Listen.

1020
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:18,720
Speaker 1: One of the weirdest things was, you know that movie

1021
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:22,879
Speaker 1: that you're referencing was my six year and you see

1022
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:24,919
Speaker 1: me hugging on those kids and them hugging me back.

1023
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 1: But start when I tried to hug somebody first, So like, man,

1024
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 1: what's wrong with you? Get your hands off me? What

1025
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:32,280
Speaker 1: are you doing?

1026
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:35,479
Speaker 4: You had a father do that, but they've never seen male.

1027
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 4: I've never seen a male do that, which is God's love. Yes,

1028
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 4: I never seen It's exactly John Tanda, enemy comes to kill,

1029
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 4: seek still in destroy, and that's what it does to

1030
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 4: that that those kids. It makes them feel like it's

1031
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 4: weird when it's not supposed to be weird.

1032
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's. Uh.

1033
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 4: The first time I saw that. That hit me the

1034
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:01,359
Speaker 4: most is I have this one group and this other

1035
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 4: group and then they on the fourth of July when

1036
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 4: luck we weren't even open, they're at the We restored

1037
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:14,760
Speaker 4: a whole city park. The city gave us the keys

1038
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 4: to it to use. They owned it, but it was horrific. Yeah,

1039
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 4: So me and Inga went out and probably raised over

1040
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 4: two hundred thousand dollars and redid the whole park and

1041
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 4: made it like where it was super beautiful and the

1042
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 4: kids are over there and everybody's using it. They get

1043
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 4: into a fight at the We put a full court

1044
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 4: basketball in over there. The dad of one group as

1045
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 4: ex banger himself out of prison. And when you start

1046
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 4: getting that age group, that age group don't play like

1047
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 4: the young cats, but you can fight. But that age

1048
00:57:56,120 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 4: group is a different story. And sitting at home one

1049
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 4: night on my front porch, we meaning of love sitting

1050
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 4: down on the front porch because by this time, man

1051
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 4: neighbors had started coming out of their houses and people

1052
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 4: would start to like believe that the community was changing.

1053
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 4: And I hear the precincts right around the corner. And

1054
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 4: every time that you hear like six cop cars, you

1055
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 4: know that there's shooting.

1056
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 1: You know what, I was wondering if you heard the

1057
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: gunshots themselves.

1058
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 4: A lot of times in the first month that we

1059
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 4: lived there, we had three murders right around our house,

1060
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 4: and you hurt them, you know, like people buying drugs. People.

1061
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 4: It was at nighttime, and that night I'm sitting on

1062
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 4: my front porch and I hear the cop cars take

1063
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 4: off and at the same time, my phone rings and

1064
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 4: you know, and it was one of my kids telling me, man,

1065
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 4: you better get down the twenty sixth and bank because

1066
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 4: the Mary Hunt's dead. And I have ran down the

1067
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 4: street because it's only like a bark away. And that

1068
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 4: group from the first they had gotten that fight at

1069
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 4: that playground and that dad gave a kid a gun

1070
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 4: and they walked up to the car and they shot

1071
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 4: him five times in the head. So it was so unreal.

1072
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 4: I just couldn't even believe it. This kid's fifteen years old.

1073
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 4: It was just so unreal. It was like in time. Man,

1074
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 4: it doesn't even matter what the military with my past.

1075
00:59:53,200 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 4: It was so just unreal. Like I remember, yeah, I

1076
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 4: held his grandmother at the funeral home while she platted

1077
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 4: his hair while they tried to put his face back together,

1078
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 4: and I remember having the funeral by now we have

1079
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 4: a church. During that five year period, right around the

1080
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 4: counter corner was a church called Saint Cecilia that the

1081
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:31,920
Speaker 4: Catholics had decommissioned and wasn't using it anymore, and they

1082
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 4: were seeing what we were doing. So they came to

1083
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 4: us and asked if we'd be interested in buying the

1084
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 4: plant of land with the rectory and the church and

1085
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 4: the Bingo Hawks.

1086
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Speaker 1: And.

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Speaker 4: I remember there was like nine other kids in that church.

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Speaker 4: We had his funeral there, and I remember what I

1089
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 4: told them. It doesn't have to you know, Man three

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01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 4: thousand came through that building. But there's over seventy five

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Speaker 4: that we have documented that's either in prison or dead.

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back in New Chicago, which is where

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Speaker 1: mana Issa sits. An eighteen year old male was three

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Speaker 1: times more likely to be dead or incarcerated by his

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01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 1: twenty first birthday as he is to have a job.

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Speaker 1: Sounds like a similar area.

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Speaker 4: The tenth most impoverished area in America, right, but we

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Speaker 4: have This is where I get like, if you want

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Speaker 4: to call it preach you or pissed off or don't understand, you,

1100
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 4: gotta remember I'm a dude who did not grow up

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01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 4: in this system called church. I do know Jesus. And

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Speaker 4: for someone to even try to remotely try to disagree

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01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 4: with me in that statement that you got to go

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01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:15,920
Speaker 4: to church to know Jesus, like you're telling me I

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01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 4: got to go to Hooters to have wings. Nobody.

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Speaker 1: That's an interesting metaphor.

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01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 4: Hooters wings, their wings suck. But there's other things there.

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Speaker 1: For you to Hooters was ever going to be one

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01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 1: of our sponsors. We just lost them, all right, So

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Speaker 1: first of all, I get it, and it's a really

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01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 1: good reminder to all of our listeners. If you have

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01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 1: the temerity, the courage, and the desire and the passion

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01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 1: to enter into a place like Portland, Kentucky, or New

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01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 1: Chicago in Memphis or any of these other thousands of

1115
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 1: averyas that need our help, you got to understand the

1116
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 1: reason they're in that shape is because there's all kinds

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01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 1: of trauma and disaster there, and it is not as

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01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 1: easy as just going up smiling and open the doors

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01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 1: to a basketball court and everything's going to be.

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Speaker 4: Yes. If you want to do two hours and roll out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's but that's that doesn't do any But

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01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 1: that doesn't do any good. Yeah, And even if you

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01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 1: want to do two hours and roll out, it's still

1124
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 1: going to come with this sudden challenges. I have six

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01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 1: former football players who are no longer on this earth.

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01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 1: I have three that are incarcerated despite all of everything

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01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 1: I tried to do. But it's not the failures, it's

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Speaker 1: the successes that would have never happened had that communities

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01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 1: that are never been opened up. Had you not ever

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01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:50,240
Speaker 1: sold the first five dollars fish sandwich.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you have a my Asia, who just graduated

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01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 4: from a college in Nashville, who at the top of

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01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 4: a class, who used to fight in the gym every day,

1134
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 4: literally beat some girl to a pulp like where her

1135
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 4: mom came and we had to pay hospital expenses because

1136
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:12,120
Speaker 4: and then but she just graduated when all.

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01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 1: Those headaches were going on, did you ever look at

1138
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 1: each other and say, she would just shut this thing down?

1139
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 1: I know, I know the answer. I want you to

1140
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 1: to tell our listeners the heart art conversations you had

1141
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 1: about are we're really doing the right thing here? I

1142
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 1: know you had to.

1143
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:35,280
Speaker 4: Value in the very beginning when it was just so

1144
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 4: much turmoil, so much craziness. There's like a little lot

1145
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:43,960
Speaker 4: next door to the building, and I literally wore a circle,

1146
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:50,480
Speaker 4: and I mean just walking and just screaming, why do

1147
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:56,440
Speaker 4: you have me here? I don't understand? And I remember

1148
01:04:57,120 --> 01:05:01,680
Speaker 4: there was a turn where he literally audibly said to me,

1149
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:05,919
Speaker 4: will you quit on me? Like the rest of them did?

1150
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 4: Will you quit on me? And I remember just falling

1151
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:16,960
Speaker 4: on my knees and pulling up my big boy pants

1152
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:21,919
Speaker 4: and saying, no matter how hard it gets, we're gonna

1153
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:22,520
Speaker 4: fight through this.

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01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, Inger, have you ever felt unsafe?

1155
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 3: You know, I've never felt unsafe, Like.

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01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 4: But Sean, don't ever do everything Sean does.

1157
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 2: No, I don't do everything he does. But I remember

1158
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 2: there was one time where Sean got asked.

1159
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 3: To help lead a trip to Israel.

1160
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:46,480
Speaker 2: So he was gone for like a week, and I

1161
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:48,960
Speaker 2: was home and I was running the gym and we

1162
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:53,240
Speaker 2: had a couple of like twenty one year old volunteers

1163
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 2: guys that were there with me, and a couple of

1164
01:05:57,360 --> 01:06:00,200
Speaker 2: a couple of known like gang bangers came in and

1165
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 2: it was getting a little rowdy and it was getting

1166
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 2: a little crazy, and I was like, Okay, we're gonna

1167
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 2: We're gonna shut down because we used to do that,

1168
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 2: you know, like we didn't have to stay open, Like

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01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 2: if it got crazy in the gym, we'd just.

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Speaker 4: Be So it was like, okay, tomorrow they were fighting

1171
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 4: and nuts and crazy and.

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01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:19,000
Speaker 1: The community is on time out for active.

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01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:21,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, just walk over to the light switch and shut

1174
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:24,520
Speaker 4: them all off. And they knew once I did that.

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01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 4: Back then, we enough old light bulbs, and once they

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01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 4: saw the lights they would be like, ash, we're done.

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Speaker 2: So in this particular occasion, I tried to do the

1178
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 2: same thing. So I was like, Okay, we're done, we're

1179
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 2: gonna we're gonna come back tomorrow. And so I went

1180
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 2: to shut the lights off, and it had the opposite

1181
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:50,160
Speaker 2: effect and they went more crazy, and so then it

1182
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:52,920
Speaker 2: took thirty minutes to get the lights back on. And

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01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 2: so the guys they finally they helped me finally get

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01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:57,440
Speaker 2: everybody out, and there was this one kid that was

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01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:00,400
Speaker 2: still there and he was like getting all up in

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01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:03,640
Speaker 2: my face and like you know, trying to like intimidate

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01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:05,280
Speaker 2: me and everything, and I was like, you got you

1188
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:05,960
Speaker 2: just gotta.

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01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 3: Go, Like you just gotta go.

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Speaker 2: And so that's really the only I didn't but I

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01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 2: didn't feel unsafe, like I didn't.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if it's in.

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Speaker 1: The community knowing you're doing what you're doing now stand

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01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 1: up in the face of that on your behalf.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah.

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Speaker 1: That's the interesting transformation city.

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Speaker 4: Ah four years ago at the end of our six

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Speaker 4: year jaunt of like battling and fighting and that was

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Speaker 4: the Love City then. The Love City now is a

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01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:38,800
Speaker 4: total difference.

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Speaker 1: So that's that's a great segue today, I will.

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Speaker 4: Say back in that old Love City, when you were asking, uh,

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01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:53,200
Speaker 4: we were having a basketball tournament and I had to

1204
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Speaker 4: tell one of the kids he had got you know,

1205
01:07:56,080 --> 01:08:01,720
Speaker 4: how man anger is this? Like they the emotionally controlled.

1206
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 4: They have no idea how to manage any of that.

1207
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 4: And I get it.

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01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:10,960
Speaker 1: I get it. There's very little filter for anger for people.

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Speaker 1: Can we stop for a second, I want our listeners

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Speaker 1: to hear. Yeah, I'm gonna say this. I had a

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01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:32,519
Speaker 1: manassas football player once tell me how angry he was

1212
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:36,320
Speaker 1: and I kept asking why and he could not articulate

1213
01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:39,719
Speaker 1: why he just was. And it was in my first year.

1214
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:42,560
Speaker 1: Over the course the next three years, I started to

1215
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:48,080
Speaker 1: understand that trauma makes you angry, and trauma will make

1216
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:52,120
Speaker 1: you angry, and you angry and me angry, and anybody

1217
01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:54,720
Speaker 1: listens to Now, if you are traumatized over and over

1218
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:56,920
Speaker 1: on a daily and weekly basis for your entire life,

1219
01:08:56,960 --> 01:09:00,120
Speaker 1: you know what you get. You get pissed, and then

1220
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:02,920
Speaker 1: anything happens to piss you off. That's the only emotion

1221
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:07,240
Speaker 1: you have to rely on it and it's explosive. It

1222
01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 1: does not make them bad people. What it makes them

1223
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 1: is traumatized, and we have to get our arms around that.

1224
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:18,160
Speaker 1: There's no difference in that trauma and the trauma veteran

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01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:20,439
Speaker 1: experiences when he comes back from a rock at all,

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01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:24,880
Speaker 1: or an abused woman experiences when she's been beaten by

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01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:31,000
Speaker 1: a man or a rape victim. It's different types of trauma,

1228
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:34,760
Speaker 1: but the level of trauma and what it does to

1229
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:37,760
Speaker 1: the human psyche is not that much difference. And so

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01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:40,679
Speaker 1: we got to quit asking ourselves why people from the hood,

1231
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:44,479
Speaker 1: or people from disadvantage areas or people from poor areas

1232
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:47,559
Speaker 1: who have experienced nothing but their lives in trauma, why

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01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:50,760
Speaker 1: they're so angry all the time, and why they might

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01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:53,040
Speaker 1: fight and lash out, or why.

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Speaker 4: They may smoke a little weed because to self medication. Yeah,

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01:09:56,720 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 4: to self medicate because they can't to have them.

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01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:05,280
Speaker 1: It is not excusing any of these anti social behaviors.

1238
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:08,400
Speaker 1: It is explaining where they come from. And until we

1239
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 1: understand where they come from and why they happen, and

1240
01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:16,960
Speaker 1: until we quit demonizing the result of the trauma and

1241
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:19,599
Speaker 1: start understanding where the trauma comes from and addressing it,

1242
01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:24,000
Speaker 1: all we're doing is demonizing the most vulnerable among us.

1243
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:27,080
Speaker 4: And that's where I would say that's the difference between

1244
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 4: empathy and compassion. So are we going to do something

1245
01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:33,519
Speaker 4: about it or we're just going to keep talking about it?

1246
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:38,439
Speaker 1: Well, the open Gym program is now I cannot believe

1247
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 1: I'm saying this, a K through eight community school called

1248
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:49,200
Speaker 1: Mighty Oaks Academy. So what we've got here is your ridiculous,

1249
01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:52,479
Speaker 1: screwed up life finding yourself at forty five on a

1250
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:55,120
Speaker 1: beach in Miami talking to a homeless dude boiling an

1251
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:59,040
Speaker 1: egg on a can and a former CIA Black Ops

1252
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:03,639
Speaker 1: person who get married in two weeks in Rome, who

1253
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 1: find themselves in Portland, Kentucky getting a free home but

1254
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 1: having to buy a community place that they don't even

1255
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:16,720
Speaker 1: know what they're doing with. Who fights for six to

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01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:19,639
Speaker 1: ten years open thing, and you now have a school.

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01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:25,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think what happened with we were we continue

1258
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:28,519
Speaker 4: to grow, right, it doesn't stop. So we end up

1259
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:32,959
Speaker 4: buying the Catholic church called Saint Cecilia, which is extremely

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01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:38,040
Speaker 4: beautiful on the inside, and then we moved the fish

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01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:39,599
Speaker 4: fry over to there, and.

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01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:43,960
Speaker 1: Why not that's a Catholic church, that's our fish.

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01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:47,280
Speaker 4: Had the gym used to be owned by the same church. Yeah,

1264
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:47,680
Speaker 4: get it?

1265
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:52,479
Speaker 1: And so you basically reconstituted the original property back together.

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01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:57,560
Speaker 4: Keep trying to say we're not doing anything extraordinary. The community.

1267
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:04,360
Speaker 4: I think Katas way of creating community is beautiful. Do

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01:12:04,479 --> 01:12:08,200
Speaker 4: I think that they also put too many strings without

1269
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:11,960
Speaker 4: a lot of Jesus in it. Yeah? Probably, But I'm

1270
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:13,360
Speaker 4: not going to throw stones at that.

1271
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:26,840
Speaker 1: I want to be careful here. But the corporate church environment,

1272
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:33,919
Speaker 1: despite what I think is a lot of well intentioned stuff,

1273
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:38,400
Speaker 1: who to this day still does an amazing amount for

1274
01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:44,080
Speaker 1: our communities, has in some respects chased people from the church.

1275
01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:53,599
Speaker 1: And it is important I think that we understand church

1276
01:12:53,720 --> 01:13:01,479
Speaker 1: membership and church attendance and faith can be the same thing,

1277
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:07,120
Speaker 1: but they are not always the same thing. And I

1278
01:13:07,200 --> 01:13:09,880
Speaker 1: think the American church is waking up to the fact

1279
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:17,840
Speaker 1: that we have work to do to reteach ourselves that

1280
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:21,120
Speaker 1: faith precedes church, not church precedes faith.

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01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:24,639
Speaker 4: And the words I would use is I would say

1282
01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 4: we're wakening up to teach people that you don't have

1283
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:33,120
Speaker 4: to be a church goer but a Jesus follower.

1284
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:36,439
Speaker 1: But the thing happens is if you're a Jesus follower,

1285
01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:37,800
Speaker 1: you end up wanting to go to church to be

1286
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:39,720
Speaker 1: around people like you anyway.

1287
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:42,000
Speaker 4: But why can't you just do it all the time.

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01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:44,760
Speaker 1: I'm not saying you can't, I'm just saying oftentimes, if

1289
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:47,240
Speaker 1: you're a Jesus follower, you want to go to church

1290
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 1: and hang out with other Jesus followers. It's a cool

1291
01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:50,040
Speaker 1: place to commune.

1292
01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:54,040
Speaker 4: I thought so too, but they try to destroy me.

1293
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:58,200
Speaker 4: But you have a church. I have a church building.

1294
01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:00,960
Speaker 4: We don't do so anyway.

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01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:03,720
Speaker 1: I'm not here to argue that with you, because I

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01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:08,519
Speaker 1: listen a guy that taught my New Members class when

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01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:11,719
Speaker 1: I was thirteen years old, a guy named Craig Strickland

1298
01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:16,960
Speaker 1: here in Memphis who started who left a big Presbyterian

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01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:22,360
Speaker 1: church and he started Hope Presbyterian Church out of a

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Speaker 1: restaurant and bar, and it grew into one of our

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Speaker 1: county's largest churches. Style is called Hope Church. And his

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01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:32,400
Speaker 1: whole deal was, I'm starting at church for the unchurched.

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01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:36,559
Speaker 1: It was back when everybody wore tie. He encouraged jeans

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01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:41,400
Speaker 1: and t shirts and coffee and hanging out. And he

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01:14:41,479 --> 01:14:43,640
Speaker 1: didn't have a choir. He had a band, which was

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01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:45,559
Speaker 1: one of the first people to do that. And he

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01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:48,360
Speaker 1: created a church for the unchurch for the very people

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01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:53,519
Speaker 1: who were interested in faith but were put off by

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01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:59,000
Speaker 1: the corporate church traditional thing because they'd had a bad

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01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:01,679
Speaker 1: experience or freakdom or made them uncomfortable where they didn't

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01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:05,720
Speaker 1: feel welcome. So all I'm saying to this, I hear you,

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01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:09,920
Speaker 1: I feel you, and I agree faith precedes everything.

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Speaker 4: But because when you agree, now you're talking about a

1314
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:18,000
Speaker 4: dude who's only been doing this for eleven years, who

1315
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:21,559
Speaker 4: fell in love with Jesus didn't know anything about that right.

1316
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 4: So a lot of my questions always comes from the

1317
01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:29,800
Speaker 4: childlikeness in me, not a fence towards something an institution.

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01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:34,040
Speaker 4: It never does that, But because I have so many

1319
01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:37,320
Speaker 4: like childlike questions, Like when me and Ninga Fayvers get married,

1320
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:38,680
Speaker 4: I was like, are we supposed to go to this

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01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:41,000
Speaker 4: church thing? And she was like, I don't know. If

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Speaker 4: you want to, we can, And I googled it one

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01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:45,680
Speaker 4: day she was at work in our zip code and

1324
01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:48,880
Speaker 4: there was fifty two churches. So it started like tripping

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01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:52,519
Speaker 4: me out, as somebody who don't know anything about any

1326
01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:55,920
Speaker 4: of that stuff is like tripping my forehead out. When

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01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:58,880
Speaker 4: she comes home, I got like one hundred questions waiting

1328
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 4: on her because She's grew up in this thing, and

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01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:03,439
Speaker 4: I'm like, why did they do that? And why do

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01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:06,000
Speaker 4: they call themselves different names? And why is there a

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01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:07,200
Speaker 4: Baptist or first bat.

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01:16:07,240 --> 01:16:11,200
Speaker 1: And here's another good question. Why is Sunday the most

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01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:15,640
Speaker 1: segregated day in America? It should be the least segregated the.

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Speaker 4: Whole podcasts even Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Here's another thing. Here's another thing. Alex often asks, why

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01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:26,360
Speaker 1: when there are how many thousands?

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01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:29,040
Speaker 4: There's one hundred fifteen thousand kids.

1338
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Speaker 1: There's one hundred and fifty thousand kids in the United

1339
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:35,479
Speaker 1: States foster care system have been terminated.

1340
01:16:35,479 --> 01:16:38,560
Speaker 4: They could be adopted today, right, And there's four hundred.

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01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:43,240
Speaker 1: Thou country if one of three, if one of three

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01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:45,559
Speaker 1: had one person to adopt a child, there would be

1343
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:51,280
Speaker 1: no foster care system unitstates.

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01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:52,719
Speaker 4: Or homeless or people who need food or people who

1345
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:55,200
Speaker 4: Why do we have to have a food bank? Tell

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01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:57,360
Speaker 4: us to come here and give. If you really love

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01:16:57,360 --> 01:17:00,599
Speaker 4: your neighbor, why aren't you just doing it that? These

1348
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:02,760
Speaker 4: are all the questions I have. These are all the

1349
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:07,919
Speaker 4: like crazy childlike questions. How does eighty eighty nine percent

1350
01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:10,200
Speaker 4: There was a pewpo taken and you can look it

1351
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:13,040
Speaker 4: up online and you could google it and it was

1352
01:17:13,439 --> 01:17:18,040
Speaker 4: a real pupo. It wasn't just something made up, and

1353
01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:23,680
Speaker 4: it was about Christianity and Kentucky. Eighty nine percent of

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01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:26,360
Speaker 4: the people in the state of Kentucky eighteen and above

1355
01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:33,240
Speaker 4: that they polled said that they believe in Jesus and God. Then,

1356
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:36,559
Speaker 4: while we have so many problems because it's not real,

1357
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:41,240
Speaker 4: we're not creating Jesus followers. We're creating church goers.

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01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:44,759
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of people who call themselves Christians

1359
01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:46,320
Speaker 1: because their grandmother went to church.

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01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:49,760
Speaker 4: It's easy to put a fish sticker on the back

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01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:52,080
Speaker 4: of your car.

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back.

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Speaker 4: What I think the most beautiful part about that is,

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01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:15,559
Speaker 4: in the eleven years I've been doing this, there is

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01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:18,960
Speaker 4: a great awakening going on across America. Where you say

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01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:21,800
Speaker 4: army of ordinary people, but I would say people who

1367
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:24,280
Speaker 4: have been anointed and appointed, and they don't have to

1368
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:26,759
Speaker 4: be in that building, but you do gotta love your neighbor.

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01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:29,240
Speaker 4: And man, it's so different than me pulling in here

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01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:32,160
Speaker 4: and you saying, man, I don't know about staying at

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01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:34,960
Speaker 4: that courtyard, but I met some chick there last night.

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01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:38,599
Speaker 4: That man is the most beautiful person in the city

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01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:42,120
Speaker 4: of Memphis. That told me her whole dream and like, man,

1374
01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 4: how she wants to change the world. This morning they

1375
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:49,080
Speaker 4: told me I don't get free breakfast over at this courtyard. Okay,

1376
01:18:49,320 --> 01:18:51,600
Speaker 4: So me and they decided to ride down here to

1377
01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:54,360
Speaker 4: this Starbucks. I don't even know where. We just ended

1378
01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:57,240
Speaker 4: up there and we pull in and we're about ready

1379
01:18:57,240 --> 01:18:59,760
Speaker 4: to leave, and we meet this lady in their name,

1380
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:04,280
Speaker 4: the young lady who is vibrant, on fire, so much joy,

1381
01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:07,479
Speaker 4: and she's telling us about this story about how she

1382
01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:11,479
Speaker 4: talked her and her manager talk Starbucks corporate world into

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01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:15,280
Speaker 4: making this a community Starbucks and that they have like

1384
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:19,000
Speaker 4: every Friday, the kids from the neighborhood come in there

1385
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:22,720
Speaker 4: and what was it. They play games, play and they

1386
01:19:22,760 --> 01:19:26,600
Speaker 4: gave out like thousands of backpacks all from the Starbucks

1387
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:29,040
Speaker 4: that they built relationships with the target. I was like,

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01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:32,640
Speaker 4: that's what corporate America should be doing. We shouldn't be

1389
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:35,719
Speaker 4: dislike building these silos. It's all biblical. Man, You're building

1390
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:38,400
Speaker 4: these silos, putting all your profits in it, but you

1391
01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:42,839
Speaker 4: ain't helping your neighbor. So how we got to the school,

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01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:45,839
Speaker 4: I know, I'm I know, I'm getting a little fired.

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01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:48,400
Speaker 1: Up because you get fired up. I don't care this

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01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:49,080
Speaker 1: bull crap.

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01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:52,719
Speaker 4: I mean, that's the whole point, is right, We need

1396
01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:56,719
Speaker 4: to say this is bull crap.

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Speaker 1: You got well, you're on the show that does.

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01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:03,479
Speaker 4: It, and you got fifty You have fifty two church

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01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:06,639
Speaker 4: buildings in this one zip code in Louisville, Kentucky, on

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01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:11,600
Speaker 4: a very wealthy side of town. Fifty two, fifty two mortgages,

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01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:15,080
Speaker 4: fifty two light bills, fifty two plumbing bills, fifty two

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01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:19,680
Speaker 4: pastor bills. It's ridiculous. But my kids on the other

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01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:22,479
Speaker 4: side of town can't get an education and are killing

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01:20:22,479 --> 01:20:27,240
Speaker 4: each other because they can't read by the time they

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01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:30,280
Speaker 4: get to the twelfth grade. And we're pushing them through

1406
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:31,800
Speaker 4: saying this is.

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01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:35,040
Speaker 1: Okay, they're old enough, advance them.

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01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:36,479
Speaker 4: It's bull crap.

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01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:37,880
Speaker 1: It is bull crap.

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01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:39,240
Speaker 4: It's total bullcrap.

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01:20:39,439 --> 01:20:41,599
Speaker 1: So what's Mighty Oak Academy doing about it?

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01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:44,920
Speaker 4: So what we did was during COVID. You know what

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01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:48,719
Speaker 4: happened with the open gym was and the community center

1414
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:52,000
Speaker 4: was COVID shut me, down, me and hang and down.

1415
01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:55,960
Speaker 4: They said, you can't kids in there, you can't gather,

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01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:58,519
Speaker 4: you can't be a part of this. And we also

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01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:00,680
Speaker 4: had a preschool at the same time I'm going, so

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01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:03,160
Speaker 4: they shut that down. They shut down everything that we

1419
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:08,320
Speaker 4: could do to get together. But we started doing open

1420
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:12,559
Speaker 4: air gathering out on the front porch during COVID. You

1421
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:15,640
Speaker 4: got to remember, man, where we come from, just a

1422
01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:21,080
Speaker 4: few blocks away. We had this thing during COVID that

1423
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:26,400
Speaker 4: happened with the Breonna Taylor in Louisville, Kentucky, not far

1424
01:21:26,439 --> 01:21:31,479
Speaker 4: from us, not far from us, and it brought a

1425
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:34,920
Speaker 4: heap of mess. Man. People were downtown in the middle

1426
01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:39,880
Speaker 4: of Portland, busting windows, robbing our neighbors. Nobody ever touched

1427
01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:42,519
Speaker 4: one thing. It love city, people said, seaning, Man, how

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01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:45,400
Speaker 4: come you ain't going to board up the windows? Said, man,

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01:21:45,439 --> 01:21:49,960
Speaker 4: I'm not going to live in fear. On the night

1430
01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:53,400
Speaker 4: that the guy got killed at the barbecue stand on Broadway,

1431
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:57,000
Speaker 4: the National Guards person when they brought him in shot

1432
01:21:57,320 --> 01:22:00,840
Speaker 4: a dude and killed him. The Lord woke me up

1433
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:03,560
Speaker 4: in the middle of the night and he said, tomorrow

1434
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:07,160
Speaker 4: we party, And I was like, what do you mean.

1435
01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:13,360
Speaker 4: He said, you start loving deeper and harder. I need

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01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:17,360
Speaker 4: you to awaken this community. And man, I woke up

1437
01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:19,960
Speaker 4: the next morning. I told anga, Man, we're just gonna

1438
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:23,120
Speaker 4: have a big party right out here. We're not supposed

1439
01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:24,719
Speaker 4: to do we're not supposed to gather, we're not supposed

1440
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:26,800
Speaker 4: to be together. But we're just gonna do it out

1441
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:29,679
Speaker 4: here on the on the front porch and on the street.

1442
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:32,880
Speaker 4: And man, we just started doing it every Tuesday night

1443
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:36,880
Speaker 4: called Parties on the Porch, and the neighborhood awakened. And man,

1444
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:39,760
Speaker 4: we'd have three four hundred people show up every Thursday night.

1445
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:43,240
Speaker 4: And we had Carrie Ohki, we had an ice cream truck,

1446
01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:46,680
Speaker 4: we had you name it. Man, But we weren't going

1447
01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:50,559
Speaker 4: to pay attention to that spirit because it's not real.

1448
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:54,599
Speaker 4: That didn't want us to love one another. Man. That's

1449
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:57,879
Speaker 4: the thing about like a lot of people don't understand

1450
01:22:57,920 --> 01:23:01,280
Speaker 4: impoverish people. I grew up in I grew up on offerre,

1451
01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:05,720
Speaker 4: I grew up on food stamps. I get all that. Man,

1452
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:08,880
Speaker 4: we're a whole lot more tight knit than people can

1453
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:14,240
Speaker 4: even imagine. Impoverished people then got each other's backs. They

1454
01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:17,599
Speaker 4: have to, and they don't care about whether you're white

1455
01:23:18,160 --> 01:23:21,240
Speaker 4: or you're black. Man, we just see each other like man,

1456
01:23:21,240 --> 01:23:23,840
Speaker 4: we got love one another. We got to hold on

1457
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:26,639
Speaker 4: to each other. We we gotta make it through this together.

1458
01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:30,559
Speaker 4: That's how it works. And when you're growing up in that,

1459
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:34,480
Speaker 4: nobody cares about man, you talk about people in my neighborhood.

1460
01:23:35,200 --> 01:23:38,280
Speaker 4: We're about fifty to fifty, and I can tell you

1461
01:23:39,160 --> 01:23:44,400
Speaker 4: I never hear racism like people try to proclaim. It's

1462
01:23:44,439 --> 01:23:49,479
Speaker 4: like none that's real. None that's real. When you're poor

1463
01:23:49,560 --> 01:23:50,599
Speaker 4: trying to just survive.

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01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:56,160
Speaker 1: I've lived that. I understand that it's hard for people

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01:23:56,240 --> 01:24:04,639
Speaker 1: to gather that that is just a thing that's really

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01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:06,560
Speaker 1: doesn't exist in those communities.

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01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:12,559
Speaker 4: It's not real. It's just really I hate most of

1468
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:14,960
Speaker 4: that stuff comes from rich folk on the other side

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01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:15,240
Speaker 4: of town.

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01:24:15,479 --> 01:24:18,599
Speaker 1: I was gonna say a lot of it. Yeah, that's all.

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01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:22,880
Speaker 1: Another thing at school, yeah, school.

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01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:25,000
Speaker 4: You know what we did was during COVID when the

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01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:29,320
Speaker 4: preschool shut down. Uh, we were trying to figure out, like,

1474
01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:32,280
Speaker 4: what's going to happen to the kids because they're not

1475
01:24:32,280 --> 01:24:34,479
Speaker 4: going to go to school. We know our kids they're

1476
01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:37,639
Speaker 4: not going to go to school. So before I don't

1477
01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:40,439
Speaker 4: know about here in Memphis, they started opening up some

1478
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:43,200
Speaker 4: churches and buildings and stuff, and they would pay them.

1479
01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:47,760
Speaker 4: The school system did to have like laptops, but they

1480
01:24:47,800 --> 01:24:51,479
Speaker 4: wouldn't open up the school buildings. So before that, we

1481
01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:54,639
Speaker 4: created something called the Bridge and we were just trying

1482
01:24:54,680 --> 01:24:57,160
Speaker 4: to get kids to come and we had about one

1483
01:24:57,200 --> 01:24:59,720
Speaker 4: hundred kids every day show up and we would all

1484
01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:02,840
Speaker 4: go into chromebooks. They had chromebooks that were given to them.

1485
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:07,919
Speaker 4: We would help them because just like I saw no parents,

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01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:12,479
Speaker 4: no fathers, no mother. Can you imagine having an eighty

1487
01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:16,160
Speaker 4: year old grandma or chromebook and say maybe help help.

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01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:18,160
Speaker 3: You help your kindergarten.

1489
01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:23,400
Speaker 4: Granddaughter needs to sign in. Huh yeah, that's what they

1490
01:25:23,439 --> 01:25:27,000
Speaker 4: would say, Miss Sean, come on, will you be I

1491
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:29,000
Speaker 4: don't know how to do any of that. Not only that,

1492
01:25:29,080 --> 01:25:30,479
Speaker 4: but I don't have internet.

1493
01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:31,599
Speaker 3: Yeah they don't.

1494
01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:38,400
Speaker 4: I don't have internet. So we started assessing kids on

1495
01:25:38,439 --> 01:25:41,439
Speaker 4: our own. We had a doctor who was on our

1496
01:25:41,439 --> 01:25:43,479
Speaker 4: team at the time with a PhD. And she had

1497
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:47,920
Speaker 4: early childhood education, and we came up with an assessment

1498
01:25:47,960 --> 01:25:52,160
Speaker 4: system to assess these kids just to see where they

1499
01:25:52,200 --> 01:25:54,160
Speaker 4: were they were coming.

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Speaker 1: I bet you were devastated.

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01:25:56,560 --> 01:26:01,120
Speaker 4: Devastated wasn't the word? Our brain was just like, no,

1502
01:26:01,200 --> 01:26:03,000
Speaker 4: wonder we have so many problems.

1503
01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:06,959
Speaker 1: When the valedictorian of a high school makes a nineteen

1504
01:26:07,080 --> 01:26:11,880
Speaker 1: on their act and when the World History exam, the

1505
01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:16,840
Speaker 1: questions are, what's the Tennessee state bird? Your seniors in

1506
01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:21,040
Speaker 1: high school are not graduating ready to do anything other

1507
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:29,799
Speaker 1: than maybe possibly man the friar at McDonald's. It's no dreams.

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01:26:30,640 --> 01:26:32,759
Speaker 4: I remember when we very first got in the community,

1509
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:36,920
Speaker 4: I would ask the kids, what's your dreams for? We

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01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:40,519
Speaker 4: can be like right, and you know what they would

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01:26:40,520 --> 01:26:44,800
Speaker 4: Someone would say, who were older ones, My dream, mister Sean,

1512
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:48,479
Speaker 4: is to get a check. It took me a long

1513
01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:51,800
Speaker 4: time to figure out what they were talking about, and

1514
01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:55,439
Speaker 4: then I realized they were just trying to get a

1515
01:26:55,439 --> 01:26:59,120
Speaker 4: government check in the system. They wanted to stay in

1516
01:26:59,160 --> 01:27:01,280
Speaker 4: the system that they were brought up in.

1517
01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:05,599
Speaker 1: The school today, the school today.

1518
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:10,040
Speaker 4: So we started assessing kids. We're devastated. We couldn't believe

1519
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:14,920
Speaker 4: that we had ninth graders that couldn't read. Jill ran

1520
01:27:15,080 --> 01:27:18,919
Speaker 4: up the heill right like you're talking about your forehead.

1521
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:21,960
Speaker 1: She should be shocking the most ninety five people listening

1522
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:23,800
Speaker 1: to it. So it's not to me because I lived it,

1523
01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:26,160
Speaker 1: but I know exactly what I'm saying. It is. It

1524
01:27:26,280 --> 01:27:26,840
Speaker 1: floored me.

1525
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:33,320
Speaker 4: So we're it's October two thousand and twenty twenty and

1526
01:27:33,560 --> 01:27:36,840
Speaker 4: we're all down in the basement and doctor Stovall is

1527
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:41,880
Speaker 4: going old the demographics and what she had found, and

1528
01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:48,759
Speaker 4: she's bawling. She's African American or black man today's world.

1529
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:52,360
Speaker 4: I don't know what. Just black, yeah, yeah, black and white.

1530
01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:59,600
Speaker 4: Just I think she's sitting there and she's laying it

1531
01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:05,680
Speaker 4: all out, and I hope I didn't offend you with that. Yeah,

1532
01:28:06,080 --> 01:28:11,920
Speaker 4: I just don't see that stuff. I'm sorry, yeah, uh uh.

1533
01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:16,760
Speaker 4: She's laying it all out and I'm like, man, this

1534
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:22,960
Speaker 4: is crazy. She's bawling and she says, I don't know

1535
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:27,240
Speaker 4: what we're gonna do. And man, as soon as she

1536
01:28:27,400 --> 01:28:32,519
Speaker 4: said it, I said, we're gonna start school. And she

1537
01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:36,320
Speaker 4: was like, come on, man, what do you mean started

1538
01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:38,760
Speaker 4: school wear in the middle of COVID shot. I mean,

1539
01:28:39,080 --> 01:28:41,479
Speaker 4: and that that could be a plan down the road,

1540
01:28:41,520 --> 01:28:46,040
Speaker 4: But what do you talk about started school? I said, now,

1541
01:28:46,040 --> 01:28:50,080
Speaker 4: we're gonna start school and she said when I said,

1542
01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:55,040
Speaker 4: we're gonna open January to fourth, and she was like,

1543
01:28:55,320 --> 01:28:58,680
Speaker 4: we don't have educated, we don't have anything shot or

1544
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:01,799
Speaker 4: I don't even know how to comprehend what you're saying.

1545
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:06,839
Speaker 4: I said, Man, the Lord will provide in January fourth

1546
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:11,200
Speaker 4: and twenty twenty one, we opened school and now it's

1547
01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:13,400
Speaker 4: K through eight nine.

1548
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:18,000
Speaker 1: How many kids in school about seventy That is unbelievable,

1549
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:20,080
Speaker 1: But it keeps school. How do you fund the school?

1550
01:29:20,479 --> 01:29:23,040
Speaker 1: When I read that, I know that, I know that

1551
01:29:23,080 --> 01:29:24,880
Speaker 1: the folks going to the school. Is it a private

1552
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:26,040
Speaker 1: school or a charter school.

1553
01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:28,400
Speaker 4: It's a private school because in the state of Kentucky

1554
01:29:28,479 --> 01:29:31,639
Speaker 4: we don't have charter systems, so it's our private school.

1555
01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:36,040
Speaker 4: Voted against it because the teacher union is so strong

1556
01:29:36,120 --> 01:29:38,120
Speaker 4: in the state of Kentucky. It shut it down. I

1557
01:29:38,160 --> 01:29:41,720
Speaker 4: got it, and nobody wants to hear. But now, man,

1558
01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:44,400
Speaker 4: I'm telling you, right now, you're talking about people who

1559
01:29:44,439 --> 01:29:48,280
Speaker 4: voted no for it, and on that amendment to at

1560
01:29:48,360 --> 01:29:52,120
Speaker 4: least an amendment was just to like investigate what was

1561
01:29:52,200 --> 01:29:54,720
Speaker 4: best for the child, for the future, what it could

1562
01:29:54,760 --> 01:29:57,240
Speaker 4: look like. But I'm going to tell you right now, man,

1563
01:29:57,280 --> 01:30:02,040
Speaker 4: if if what I can see is true for the future, man,

1564
01:30:02,080 --> 01:30:04,479
Speaker 4: if you don't conform, they're gonna cut off your funding

1565
01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:10,040
Speaker 4: on this, on this overall of education. If it's true

1566
01:30:10,080 --> 01:30:12,599
Speaker 4: that we're gonna really shut down the education system at

1567
01:30:12,640 --> 01:30:15,720
Speaker 4: the top, and we're gonna and if you don't perform

1568
01:30:16,040 --> 01:30:21,360
Speaker 4: and you shut then, man, it's your fault that you

1569
01:30:21,360 --> 01:30:23,360
Speaker 4: didn't vote for at least to investigate it.

1570
01:30:23,439 --> 01:30:26,720
Speaker 1: You know what, Aristot, know what Plato said about the

1571
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:29,559
Speaker 1: You know what Plato said, The penalty for not involving

1572
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:35,400
Speaker 1: yourself in politics is right. Plato's Plato. Plato. Yeah, it

1573
01:30:35,439 --> 01:30:37,680
Speaker 1: was a while back. He was hanging out close to

1574
01:30:37,720 --> 01:30:42,400
Speaker 1: where y'all got engaged. Yeah, dude, the penalty for not

1575
01:30:42,479 --> 01:30:45,799
Speaker 1: involving yourself in politics as you end up being governed

1576
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:50,280
Speaker 1: by your inferiors. Yea, yeah, so you better pay attention.

1577
01:30:51,080 --> 01:30:53,280
Speaker 4: And I kept trying to say, at least open it

1578
01:30:53,400 --> 01:30:57,920
Speaker 4: up for uh, some kind of thought process, you know.

1579
01:30:58,040 --> 01:31:01,479
Speaker 4: And people, man, they're strong to their beliefs.

1580
01:31:01,600 --> 01:31:04,960
Speaker 1: So it's a private school. I can't imagine your your

1581
01:31:05,000 --> 01:31:07,400
Speaker 1: students have a whole lot of money to pay. How

1582
01:31:07,439 --> 01:31:08,599
Speaker 1: does this thing get funded?

1583
01:31:09,040 --> 01:31:14,040
Speaker 4: Uh? Private, no government, no big sponsorship.

1584
01:31:14,200 --> 01:31:20,040
Speaker 1: You have people funding this for you and your students.

1585
01:31:18,680 --> 01:31:21,680
Speaker 4: Just like, uh, this is I can tell you this

1586
01:31:21,720 --> 01:31:23,840
Speaker 4: is the very first time I've been on any I

1587
01:31:23,960 --> 01:31:26,840
Speaker 4: haven't done any interviews in a long time, just because

1588
01:31:26,880 --> 01:31:28,280
Speaker 4: I said no to all of them.

1589
01:31:28,479 --> 01:31:31,559
Speaker 1: I appreciate you being Yeah, I.

1590
01:31:31,560 --> 01:31:36,439
Speaker 4: Was supposed to be here, and I think that I'm

1591
01:31:36,840 --> 01:31:39,519
Speaker 4: supposed to bring awareness to what is going on there

1592
01:31:39,560 --> 01:31:42,240
Speaker 4: because I think it's not just there, but it's I

1593
01:31:42,280 --> 01:31:45,160
Speaker 4: want to make sure it's place, it's all over there.

1594
01:31:45,240 --> 01:31:48,920
Speaker 4: I want to make sure I encourage other people. Ah.

1595
01:31:49,280 --> 01:31:52,240
Speaker 4: The school is privately funded by a bunch of people

1596
01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:56,800
Speaker 4: who believe and not what sean Ning is doing there,

1597
01:31:57,160 --> 01:32:00,439
Speaker 4: but what God's doing there. And I could do you

1598
01:32:00,520 --> 01:32:05,920
Speaker 4: in three years, we have seen some miracles that you

1599
01:32:05,920 --> 01:32:07,000
Speaker 4: probably wouldn't even believe.

1600
01:32:07,160 --> 01:32:08,679
Speaker 1: Are you planning on going through twelve?

1601
01:32:08,920 --> 01:32:12,840
Speaker 4: Yep, that's our our plan is to have. So a

1602
01:32:12,880 --> 01:32:15,720
Speaker 4: few years ago we bought another Catholic church right down

1603
01:32:15,800 --> 01:32:20,240
Speaker 4: the road that was abandoned and that's crazy story in itself,

1604
01:32:20,560 --> 01:32:23,720
Speaker 4: and that will be our preschool and that will be

1605
01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:27,639
Speaker 4: for the Little Acorns what we call and our thing

1606
01:32:27,760 --> 01:32:33,680
Speaker 4: is the Oak. Acorns to Oaks, that's our tag is

1607
01:32:33,960 --> 01:32:39,400
Speaker 4: Acorns to Oaks. Really went diapers to graduation. So we

1608
01:32:40,040 --> 01:32:43,240
Speaker 4: down here the preschool. We're in the middle of doing

1609
01:32:43,320 --> 01:32:45,400
Speaker 4: a capitol campaign for it because we need to raise

1610
01:32:45,400 --> 01:32:49,479
Speaker 4: about one point five million to renovate this building so

1611
01:32:49,560 --> 01:32:53,440
Speaker 4: that it can conform to the Kentucky standards for daycares,

1612
01:32:53,560 --> 01:32:56,080
Speaker 4: but it will be a preschool and then we can

1613
01:32:56,200 --> 01:32:59,240
Speaker 4: use four seeds to help fund that because people in

1614
01:32:59,280 --> 01:33:02,200
Speaker 4: our community they need a place for their kids to

1615
01:33:02,200 --> 01:33:04,080
Speaker 4: be able to go the baby, so that they can

1616
01:33:04,120 --> 01:33:07,120
Speaker 4: get to work and they get off these systems. You know,

1617
01:33:07,160 --> 01:33:09,600
Speaker 4: people don't get married in our community. It is not

1618
01:33:09,720 --> 01:33:11,000
Speaker 4: because they don't want to know.

1619
01:33:11,240 --> 01:33:14,000
Speaker 1: It's because if you're a woman with children, if you

1620
01:33:14,080 --> 01:33:17,320
Speaker 1: get married with the government gives you cut you off.

1621
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:20,640
Speaker 4: So how crazy is we hold it?

1622
01:33:20,760 --> 01:33:24,200
Speaker 1: Hold it? How hypocritical is it? We have a government.

1623
01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:27,559
Speaker 1: We have a government who on one hand will say

1624
01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:32,800
Speaker 1: we must have the nuclear family return in order to

1625
01:33:32,840 --> 01:33:36,719
Speaker 1: help children in our communities, and then they actually talk

1626
01:33:36,920 --> 01:33:42,559
Speaker 1: down to people who aren't married in a very paternalistic way.

1627
01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:47,000
Speaker 1: Then on the other side, we incent people to not

1628
01:33:47,160 --> 01:33:50,160
Speaker 1: be married. So the one thing we say one thing

1629
01:33:50,240 --> 01:33:55,640
Speaker 1: as a government, and then we people the hypocrisy and

1630
01:33:55,680 --> 01:33:59,400
Speaker 1: its finest it is the most One of my arguments

1631
01:33:59,560 --> 01:34:04,120
Speaker 1: is that the government, although many of these things that

1632
01:34:04,160 --> 01:34:07,120
Speaker 1: are there have developed over the last forty to fifty years,

1633
01:34:07,160 --> 01:34:09,519
Speaker 1: and I do believe most of the things that were

1634
01:34:09,520 --> 01:34:12,040
Speaker 1: put in place at one point another were well intentioned,

1635
01:34:12,560 --> 01:34:18,479
Speaker 1: but what has evolved is this horrifically paternalistic system that

1636
01:34:18,640 --> 01:34:20,559
Speaker 1: keeps people exactly where they are.

1637
01:34:22,720 --> 01:34:24,240
Speaker 4: You guys can go on all day. You guys all

1638
01:34:24,280 --> 01:34:24,759
Speaker 4: love each.

1639
01:34:24,600 --> 01:34:28,400
Speaker 1: Other, but I'm going through, like what else do you

1640
01:34:28,400 --> 01:34:31,360
Speaker 1: guys have? I'm getting there, hanging.

1641
01:34:31,080 --> 01:34:36,120
Speaker 4: Around so way over sass we are, and I gotta go,

1642
01:34:36,200 --> 01:34:37,320
Speaker 4: but so me too.

1643
01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:41,600
Speaker 1: The point is the point is you're trying with the

1644
01:34:41,680 --> 01:34:43,519
Speaker 1: school to break that cycle.

1645
01:34:44,360 --> 01:34:47,280
Speaker 4: I think that if you don't, it will never change,

1646
01:34:48,160 --> 01:34:52,680
Speaker 4: will always be nassing. So do you understand because at

1647
01:34:52,720 --> 01:34:57,839
Speaker 4: ODD School, we don't just address academics. We have trauma

1648
01:34:57,920 --> 01:35:02,840
Speaker 4: based learning. We have trauma based people there that will

1649
01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:05,800
Speaker 4: help them with that trauma that they've been inflicted with.

1650
01:35:07,320 --> 01:35:10,040
Speaker 4: You know, one time I took last year, I was

1651
01:35:10,040 --> 01:35:13,360
Speaker 4: at I worked with the eighth graders a lot, and

1652
01:35:14,400 --> 01:35:17,880
Speaker 4: a volunteered there because I don't get paid a love city,

1653
01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:22,519
Speaker 4: and I took the eighth graders and I love going

1654
01:35:22,560 --> 01:35:25,360
Speaker 4: out and doing contemplation, teaching them to be able to listen.

1655
01:35:26,040 --> 01:35:28,480
Speaker 4: I take them up to this place called Mount Saint Francis.

1656
01:35:28,479 --> 01:35:30,960
Speaker 4: And up at Mount Saint Francis, we're sitting up there

1657
01:35:32,479 --> 01:35:36,479
Speaker 4: and one of the little girls who I just deeply adore.

1658
01:35:37,360 --> 01:35:43,880
Speaker 4: She just starts bawling. I said, man, gracid you okay?

1659
01:35:44,160 --> 01:35:48,440
Speaker 4: She said, no, I'm not. And I said why, man, beautiful,

1660
01:35:48,520 --> 01:35:50,960
Speaker 4: it was just me and her and it beautiful and

1661
01:35:51,040 --> 01:35:54,160
Speaker 4: the rest of them are taking hikes and stuff. She said,

1662
01:35:54,200 --> 01:35:56,479
Speaker 4: this is the first time in my life I've ever

1663
01:35:56,520 --> 01:36:03,120
Speaker 4: heard silence. What's wrong man.

1664
01:36:04,640 --> 01:36:04,840
Speaker 1: Inga?

1665
01:36:05,280 --> 01:36:06,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, what's nice.

1666
01:36:06,560 --> 01:36:07,200
Speaker 1: For Love City?

1667
01:36:08,760 --> 01:36:12,439
Speaker 3: Oh well, so, like Sean mentioned, we've got a capital campaign.

1668
01:36:12,439 --> 01:36:13,960
Speaker 2: We got to build out of high school, we got

1669
01:36:13,960 --> 01:36:16,160
Speaker 2: to build out a preschool, we got to build a

1670
01:36:16,160 --> 01:36:16,879
Speaker 2: middle school.

1671
01:36:16,640 --> 01:36:19,120
Speaker 1: Building, which money is all. They're gonna cost six million.

1672
01:36:21,160 --> 01:36:28,360
Speaker 4: That ain't much. Yeah, do you feel like that's much?

1673
01:36:28,680 --> 01:36:31,240
Speaker 1: Six million dollars? It's a whole bunch.

1674
01:36:31,360 --> 01:36:34,200
Speaker 4: But rebuilt a man back in the day six six.

1675
01:36:35,720 --> 01:36:40,839
Speaker 1: It's a whole lot of money for some, it's nothing

1676
01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:41,439
Speaker 1: for others.

1677
01:36:42,760 --> 01:36:48,720
Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm like, so if we're called man, we've

1678
01:36:48,760 --> 01:36:50,800
Speaker 4: been doing this for nine years and I ain't never

1679
01:36:50,840 --> 01:36:53,200
Speaker 4: begged anybody for a penny, and I'm not going to

1680
01:36:53,240 --> 01:36:55,720
Speaker 4: and I'm not gonna pimp poverty. I'm not gonna take

1681
01:36:55,760 --> 01:36:58,719
Speaker 4: pictures of little black and white kids and tell everybody

1682
01:36:58,720 --> 01:37:01,400
Speaker 4: how poor they are, and man, can you do this

1683
01:37:02,200 --> 01:37:10,599
Speaker 4: for me? But we should be loving our neighbor. It's

1684
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:15,000
Speaker 4: it's not a I think for me, especially what just

1685
01:37:15,040 --> 01:37:18,400
Speaker 4: destroys my forehead and my heart and this thing that

1686
01:37:18,439 --> 01:37:21,880
Speaker 4: we call Christianity. And I would not say that I'm

1687
01:37:21,880 --> 01:37:25,200
Speaker 4: a Christian, but I would say I'm a follower of Jesus.

1688
01:37:27,280 --> 01:37:31,479
Speaker 4: You know, it's not an ask when he says you're

1689
01:37:31,520 --> 01:37:34,439
Speaker 4: supposed to love God with all your heart, mind and so,

1690
01:37:36,600 --> 01:37:39,360
Speaker 4: and you're supposed to love others as you love yourself.

1691
01:37:40,680 --> 01:37:43,320
Speaker 4: It's not an ask, it's a mandate.

1692
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:47,800
Speaker 1: I often say. People always say it's so nice what

1693
01:37:47,880 --> 01:37:50,240
Speaker 1: you did. I Anassis and all that, and I try

1694
01:37:50,280 --> 01:37:52,360
Speaker 1: to tell people and I don't think. I think people

1695
01:37:52,400 --> 01:37:56,840
Speaker 1: think it's some all shucks, false humility sometimes. But I

1696
01:37:56,880 --> 01:37:58,639
Speaker 1: didn't do it to be nice. I did it because

1697
01:37:58,640 --> 01:37:59,439
Speaker 1: I felt required.

1698
01:38:00,200 --> 01:38:03,040
Speaker 4: H Yeah, Like when I was talking to Alex when

1699
01:38:03,160 --> 01:38:08,000
Speaker 4: before we came here to do this, he said they

1700
01:38:08,040 --> 01:38:12,519
Speaker 4: wanted me and Ninga to come on here to have

1701
01:38:12,560 --> 01:38:16,919
Speaker 4: a chat with you, and he used the word radical.

1702
01:38:17,000 --> 01:38:20,240
Speaker 4: You guys are so radical in what you do. I'm

1703
01:38:20,240 --> 01:38:23,720
Speaker 4: gonna tell you, man, me and Inga, we don't see

1704
01:38:23,760 --> 01:38:27,519
Speaker 4: ourselves any other way than just some people who fell

1705
01:38:27,560 --> 01:38:28,040
Speaker 4: in love.

1706
01:38:27,840 --> 01:38:30,599
Speaker 1: With Jesus Christ was radical.

1707
01:38:32,160 --> 01:38:33,519
Speaker 4: But what if it's just normal.

1708
01:38:33,920 --> 01:38:38,479
Speaker 1: Well we could argue that forever. Tell me how people

1709
01:38:38,520 --> 01:38:39,360
Speaker 1: found love City.

1710
01:38:40,600 --> 01:38:41,880
Speaker 3: So we have a website.

1711
01:38:41,920 --> 01:38:45,120
Speaker 1: It's driving to Portland, Kentucky and looking around. Yeah, they

1712
01:38:45,200 --> 01:38:46,120
Speaker 1: find it virtually.

1713
01:38:46,360 --> 01:38:49,400
Speaker 3: So we have a website. You can go to love Cityinc.

1714
01:38:49,600 --> 01:38:50,240
Speaker 3: Dot org.

1715
01:38:50,640 --> 01:38:54,439
Speaker 2: Okay, and that will connect you to all of Like

1716
01:38:54,520 --> 01:38:57,080
Speaker 2: so everything that we do has its own brand, So

1717
01:38:57,160 --> 01:39:00,120
Speaker 2: like mydiok has its own website, the barbecue rest and

1718
01:39:00,160 --> 01:39:02,120
Speaker 2: has its own website, etc. But you can get to

1719
01:39:02,200 --> 01:39:06,000
Speaker 2: all of that through lovecityink dot org, which is amazing.

1720
01:39:06,720 --> 01:39:10,679
Speaker 4: And we create sustainability. When you ask how we get funded,

1721
01:39:10,880 --> 01:39:13,559
Speaker 4: we have a thrift store, We have a restaurant. We

1722
01:39:13,600 --> 01:39:16,839
Speaker 4: have a thrift store car Merriment Thrifts. People can donate

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01:39:16,880 --> 01:39:21,400
Speaker 4: to that close. We resaw it in our community. We

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01:39:21,439 --> 01:39:25,720
Speaker 4: believe you. No more handouts, but some hand ups. And man,

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01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:28,400
Speaker 4: we've gotta charge you a quarter for a T shirt

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01:39:28,600 --> 01:39:30,320
Speaker 4: for you to be able to be a part of

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01:39:30,360 --> 01:39:32,559
Speaker 4: the community. Man, let's do it. And then we have

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01:39:32,600 --> 01:39:35,200
Speaker 4: a restaurant where people can come and man, you can

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01:39:35,240 --> 01:39:37,240
Speaker 4: work for an hour and you can eat for free.

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Speaker 4: I mean it's community.

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01:39:39,360 --> 01:39:44,240
Speaker 1: The restaurant is a lot like we highlighted a place

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01:39:44,280 --> 01:39:50,840
Speaker 1: in Jackson, Tennessee called Community Cafe. Come Unity Cafe, and

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01:39:51,760 --> 01:39:53,720
Speaker 1: the menu is what the menu is. And if you

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01:39:53,720 --> 01:39:56,599
Speaker 1: can afford twenty bucks paying it, if you can't afford anything,

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01:39:57,160 --> 01:40:00,479
Speaker 1: eat and wash dishes for thirty minutes, and you will

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01:40:00,479 --> 01:40:04,040
Speaker 1: have bankers and attorneys sitting next to homeless people at

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01:40:04,040 --> 01:40:09,479
Speaker 1: community tables eating food together. So that's what sounds like,

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01:40:09,520 --> 01:40:12,519
Speaker 1: that's what your restaurant is that helps support all of this.

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01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:17,200
Speaker 4: And I love and would can end on that. What

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01:40:17,360 --> 01:40:21,680
Speaker 4: you just brought up the word community because we're uneducated

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01:40:21,760 --> 01:40:26,400
Speaker 4: people who go to this building on Sunday. The word

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01:40:26,520 --> 01:40:32,880
Speaker 4: community actually is derived from the word ecclesea, which means

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01:40:33,520 --> 01:40:39,760
Speaker 4: the church. There's one God, there's one Jesus, there's one

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01:40:39,800 --> 01:40:46,160
Speaker 4: Holy Spirit, there's one kingdom, and there's only one community

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01:40:46,840 --> 01:40:54,080
Speaker 4: that the Lord owns and operates in. Thank you, real

1746
01:40:54,120 --> 01:40:55,000
Speaker 4: appreciate your time.

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01:40:55,520 --> 01:41:03,960
Speaker 1: I'm sitting across from two people who come from amazingly

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01:41:04,080 --> 01:41:07,920
Speaker 1: vastly different backgrounds that in two weeks formed a union

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01:41:08,840 --> 01:41:12,080
Speaker 1: and that union's turned into Love City and the community

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01:41:12,160 --> 01:41:17,600
Speaker 1: that you just so beautifully explained, is I am. I

1751
01:41:17,600 --> 01:41:20,599
Speaker 1: am so inspired by your stories. I'm so enthralled by

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01:41:20,640 --> 01:41:24,880
Speaker 1: your stories. And Alex is right. I could sit here

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01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:26,760
Speaker 1: and talk to you guys for another five hours, but

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01:41:26,760 --> 01:41:30,160
Speaker 1: I don't think our listeners. But maybe when you get

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01:41:30,160 --> 01:41:31,800
Speaker 1: to high school, you come back and join us and

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01:41:31,800 --> 01:41:34,800
Speaker 1: we catch back up. Yeah, take a little trip back

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01:41:34,800 --> 01:41:37,240
Speaker 1: down to Memphis one time, or maybe you come up,

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01:41:37,520 --> 01:41:38,519
Speaker 1: or maybe I come up.

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01:41:39,320 --> 01:41:40,280
Speaker 4: We set this up.

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01:41:40,600 --> 01:41:45,000
Speaker 1: I love it. Inga Sean, thank you so much for

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01:41:45,120 --> 01:41:55,479
Speaker 1: join us. You appreciate it, and thank you for joining

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01:41:55,560 --> 01:41:59,599
Speaker 1: us this week. If Sean or Inga Arvin or other

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01:41:59,680 --> 01:42:03,519
Speaker 1: guys have inspired you in general, or better yet, to

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01:42:03,600 --> 01:42:08,439
Speaker 1: take action by loving your neighbors more, starting something like

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01:42:08,560 --> 01:42:12,639
Speaker 1: love City in your own neighborhood, donated to them, or

1766
01:42:12,680 --> 01:42:17,120
Speaker 1: something else entirely, please let me know. I'd love to

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01:42:17,160 --> 01:42:20,880
Speaker 1: hear about it. You can write me anytime at Bill

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01:42:21,439 --> 01:42:24,240
Speaker 1: at normalfolks dot us, and I swear to you I

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01:42:24,320 --> 01:42:29,080
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01:42:39,160 --> 01:42:43,320
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01:42:43,400 --> 01:42:47,080
Speaker 1: of these things that will help us grow an army

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01:42:47,360 --> 01:42:50,599
Speaker 1: of normal folks. The more of you there are, the

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01:42:50,600 --> 01:42:54,160
Speaker 1: more impact we can have. Thanks to our producer, Iron

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01:42:54,240 --> 01:42:58,200
Speaker 1: Light Labs, I'm Bill Courtney. Until next time, let's do

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Speaker 1: what we can