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Speaker 1: Scrible advice. Shoot. Hello, Hello, welcome to the not even

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Speaker 1: my shadow. I'm Rob Shooter and it is Monday, which

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Speaker 1: means our dear friend Garrett Virgel is joining us. Hey Garrett,

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Speaker 1: are you there? Salutations Rob Shooter. I like your new haircuts.

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Speaker 1: I see it shaved at the sides. Well, you know,

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Speaker 1: I had to go to a wedding this weekend and

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Speaker 1: I can tell you all about that. Um, yes, Solo

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Speaker 1: and Ben's wedding. So I was at a very big wedding.

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Speaker 1: I had to travel for it. Um some some maybe

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Speaker 1: famous people might have been there. And then I watched

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Speaker 1: my sister get married muscles of congratulations and by that

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Speaker 1: my sister is Jennifer Lopez. No, my my sister Brittany

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Speaker 1: got married in in a beautiful castle in Connecticut, and

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Speaker 1: it was it was. It was a great time. And

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Speaker 1: you know what, I'm glad j Low got married because

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Speaker 1: it took the paparazzi away from my sister's wedding. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if we were, we were worried. My dad had security

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Speaker 1: the wedding botastic. It was spiritual relations. Let's jump into

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Speaker 1: the show. What time is it? My Friends time? Tea time?

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Speaker 1: So all the news about j Lo and Ben's wedding.

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Speaker 1: Brittany will be fine if this all the details. So

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Speaker 1: they got married over the weekend at his nine million

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Speaker 1: dollar estate. Do we still call it his estate or

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Speaker 1: is it their estate? Well, I guess the paperwork is

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Speaker 1: although we should point out to that they are married.

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Speaker 1: They got married a few weeks ago in Las Vegas,

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Speaker 1: so this was more of a ceremony. I had no

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Speaker 1: legal implications. They are already married. Lots of stars there,

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Speaker 1: but someone missing. We spotted Matt Damon and his wife.

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Speaker 1: Director Kevin Smith was there also too. We saw some

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Speaker 1: top Hollywood agents Patrick White Saul who is a huge

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Speaker 1: agent in l A. He was there. Missing from the

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Speaker 1: wedding though we didn't see Leah Remini. No. Leah was

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Speaker 1: happened there. We'll get to the bottom of it. And

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Speaker 1: then the person we're all talking about, his Casey Affleck,

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Speaker 1: was missing from the wedding sit case wasn't he in Vegas?

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Speaker 1: Wasn't he at the biggest wedding? And he was not

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Speaker 1: at the Vegas So lots of rumors here. Does Casey

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Speaker 1: he he had other things to do. Then his people

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Speaker 1: Now it's obviously got up his nose because late late

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Speaker 1: social media. So went on Instagram and said, good things

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Speaker 1: are worth waiting for. There are so many twists and turns,

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Speaker 1: new beginnings and finding new reservoirs of old love. Very

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Speaker 1: lovely thing to say. He should have gone the one

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Speaker 1: thing I hate, though, is how the media and maybe

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Speaker 1: Casey Afflecks missed the wedding of his brother Ben Affleck

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Speaker 1: the cats. Or maybe not politics, but like stuff stuff

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