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Speaker 2: Welcome to Daily Variety, your daily dose of news and

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Speaker 2: analysis for entertainment industry insiders. It's Wednesday, August twentieth, twenty

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Speaker 2: we have our cover story segment. This week's cover is

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Speaker 2: del Toro telling everything about how they brought Frankenstein to

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Speaker 2: in chief, Ramin Setuda teamed up to tell the backstory

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Speaker 2: of this very big movie that Netflix hopes will make

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Speaker 2: We also hear from Jennifer Maaz on the sun Valley

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Speaker 2: and as promised in Monday's episode, Brian Steinberg is back

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Speaker 2: with the report on how Jimmy Petero and company are

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Speaker 2: selling ESPN's big leap into streaming. But before we get

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Speaker 2: to that, here are a few headlines just in this

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Speaker 2: morning that you need to know. Netflix has set a

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Speaker 2: Paramount next spring after signing a massive overall deal covering movies,

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Speaker 2: it's time for conversations with Friday journalists about news and

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Speaker 2: trends in show business. In today's cover story segment, we

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Speaker 2: are talking Frankenstein. My great colleagues Brent Lang and Ramin

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Speaker 2: Setuda have captured the story of director Guillermo del Toro's

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Speaker 2: talk to brenton Ramin. Here's a bit from the Frankenstein trailer.

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Speaker 2: Lad Ramin Setuda and Brent Lang, We've got the Pollet

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Speaker 2: Bureau here. You two teamed up on this week's cover

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Speaker 2: telling the very lengthy backstory almost back to eighteen eighteen

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Speaker 2: of Frankenstein. How Giirmo del Toro brought this to life

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Speaker 2: at great expense for Netflix with stars Jacob Belordi and

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Speaker 2: movie history, a long ges dating project, two super hot stars.

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Speaker 2: What better combination could there be for a cover story? Brent,

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Speaker 2: I'll start with you what stands out to you from

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Speaker 4: So what it stands out to me the most is

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Speaker 4: it's in Chronos, It's in all of the things that

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Speaker 4: after trying to set this up at various studios, through

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Speaker 5: So Frankenstein's on the cover of our Venice issue, so

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Speaker 5: both liked it very much when I'm allowed to review it,

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Speaker 5: It's in scale and in scope, a real big movie.

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Speaker 2: It's also got one of the hottest young stars in Hollywood,

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Speaker 2: Your story goes in depth about how much a Lordie

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Speaker 5: I would not have known it was Jacob Elordi. So

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Speaker 5: Jennifer jorn Are, visual director and I talked about the

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Speaker 5: Guermo takes in adapting Mary Shelley's story. Tonally and visually.

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Speaker 5: We really want it to match the energy of the film.

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Speaker 5: Greg was very excited that there was a special guest

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Speaker 2: So it was wonderful dogs at all photo shoots.

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Speaker 5: Their bond was very close. They were very, very excited

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Speaker 5: It was a very long shoot to make the film.

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Speaker 5: They shot in Scotland and in Toronto. Guermo del Toro

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Speaker 5: they were both very very hyped to talk about this film,

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Speaker 2: it is largely going to be seen as a Netflix movie.

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Speaker 2: Did you get the sense that Giermo or any of

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Speaker 4: I think they've made their piece because they'd rather have

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Speaker 4: sense of sadness. I think their preference would be for

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Speaker 4: people to see this in the theater and the widest

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Speaker 4: screed possible, and it really warrants that because you know,

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Speaker 5: Netflix is releasing it in theaters for three weeks, and

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Speaker 5: so their hope is that people will see it in

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Speaker 5: and then also be able to watch it and stream

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Speaker 2: Germo del Toro is a brand name director. People will

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Speaker 2: don't tarry. It'll be three weeks, and I will say,

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Speaker 2: a terrific story. You covered a lot of ground and

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Speaker 2: you captured a lot in this story. The two things

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Speaker 2: that I take away from at one, jacob Elordi is six'

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Speaker 2: corny the power of. Film James whale Makes frankenstein in

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Speaker 2: nineteen thirty. One gammel Del toro as a kid the late.

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Speaker 2: Seventies he's seeing it so forty years After James whale

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Speaker 2: is long. Forgotten his work has the power to spark

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Speaker 2: AGE i think that is as good as it gets

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Speaker 2: for the power of. Film thank you both for doing

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Speaker 2: the great. Story and here's to a Fantastic Venice Film

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