Speaker 1: This. He's talking Cowboys screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: World headquarters at the Star in Frisco. Sat. Here are
Speaker 1: Mickey Spagnola, Ryan brought us, Rob Phillips and Taylor Stern.
Speaker 1: Welcome everybody into the SWBC Mortgage studio. It is the
Speaker 1: first Tuesday after the twenty eighteen NFL Draft, and of
Speaker 1: course these guys are still grinding away getting ready. You know,
Speaker 1: Mickey joked, you can't see it in our studio, but
Speaker 1: there is a chair, a lazy boy type chair, and uh,
Speaker 1: I'm sure that's where you guys would like to sleep
Speaker 1: if you could. We're still recovering, are you. I don't know.
Speaker 1: With all the new cameras we have, we might have
Speaker 1: an angle of that chair. You might. Yeah, we should
Speaker 1: get a sleepcam. A sleepcam brought us just running on fumes.
Speaker 1: Are you doing good? No, I'm good. I'm ready to roll.
Speaker 1: I've been working on these undrafted kids. So some of
Speaker 1: those guys should have been drafted. I don't know what
Speaker 1: the problem is, but I'm glad the Cowboys got a
Speaker 1: couple of them. We'll jump right into it. You know.
Speaker 1: Of course, we have the nine NFL draft picks, but
Speaker 1: of course, now there are eighteen undrafted free agents that
Speaker 1: will be here on the team at least you know
Speaker 1: for now. That's always kind of an up in the air.
Speaker 1: But you're mentioning some of the names. Which ones stick
Speaker 1: out to you right now? I think if I the
Speaker 1: ones that I've looked at so far here and we've posted,
Speaker 1: I think the next set of four go up on
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot com. Cam Kelly, the cornerback out of
Speaker 1: San Diego State, was very impressive to me. Trevarious Ward,
Speaker 1: the cornerback out of Middle Tennessee. I think Ward. I
Speaker 1: think Ward's got a shot to make this team. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you why. As a quick footed kid and he's
Speaker 1: stays in position, he tackles well. Cam Kelly, like I
Speaker 1: talked about him earlier, I was I kind of feel
Speaker 1: like that he might be a free safety in this
Speaker 1: in this scheme. The way he plays, so he's a
Speaker 1: little bit of not as quick guy, but he's got
Speaker 1: some link to him. He's a physical guy, so maybe
Speaker 1: keep an eye on him as a potential guy that
Speaker 1: they move. During training camp, I watched David Wells from
Speaker 1: the tight end from San Diego State. He is a
Speaker 1: in line blocker really more than he is an athlete
Speaker 1: or a downfield player. So I kind of understand that
Speaker 1: de Quentin Osborne from Olahoma State is a short guy
Speaker 1: that plays as a one technique. You could also use
Speaker 1: him as a three. I like the way he plays
Speaker 1: up the field. I didn't see him at all because
Speaker 1: again I was looking at short guys, but I didn't
Speaker 1: see notice him as a short guy. I kind of
Speaker 1: liked the way he attacks the gap. And then this
Speaker 1: Kyle Quero from Northwestern is a guy that I kind
Speaker 1: of like a little bit. He is a guy, he's
Speaker 1: a bigger guy in the six two two fifteen range.
Speaker 1: He's a guy that probably will project from a safety
Speaker 1: to a linebacker spot. So keep an eye on that
Speaker 1: one right there. I think that they're gonna move him,
Speaker 1: but you watch him down around the line of scrimmage, guys,
Speaker 1: he's really a good player, and when you play him deep,
Speaker 1: he's a little bit more of a trouble there. Tyree
Speaker 1: Robinson was another He's a free safety from Oregon that's
Speaker 1: more of a true free safety than he is a
Speaker 1: strong So maybe what they're gonna do is gonna take
Speaker 1: Quero put him as a linebacker and then put Robinson
Speaker 1: as a true free safety and maybe do some stuff
Speaker 1: with Cam Kelly as well. So those are kind of
Speaker 1: what I got through so far. But Wards should have
Speaker 1: been drafted. Cam Kelly should have been drafted too well.
Speaker 1: So there was a guy, Mickey, that you spoke very
Speaker 1: very highly of throughout the season and throughout training camp,
Speaker 1: especially Lewis Neal. He was an undrafted guy last year
Speaker 1: and he's found his way to maintain on the roster.
Speaker 1: So it doesn't necessarily mean you can't make the roster.
Speaker 1: It's just you know, they're different. Yeah, playing him at fullback,
Speaker 1: he's going to fullback. He's gonna move to fullback. So
Speaker 1: they like to do that so well, they're trying to
Speaker 1: find if the guy's pretty just got talented. They did
Speaker 1: it with Keith Smith, you know, if if they want
Speaker 1: to keep, Yeah, if you want to keep, if you
Speaker 1: want you'd find spots for guys. If you want to
Speaker 1: keep them around, you'll say, okay, what about trying them here.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you something. Jamie Showers, Mickey and I
Speaker 1: did the show last night up at the Club and
Speaker 1: the Cowboys Club, and we were talking about the safeties.
Speaker 1: The question came up. They they think that Jamie Showers
Speaker 1: and people are like, well, why do they do anything
Speaker 1: it's safety. Well, they brought a couple of guys in
Speaker 1: that potentially can compete. But they really talking to some
Speaker 1: guys this morning, they believe Jamille Showers, after a couple
Speaker 1: of years of working on the practice squad and stuff,
Speaker 1: has a chance to come in, step in and help.
Speaker 1: We'll see if he does or not, but they do
Speaker 1: like the possibility of what he could bring, So we'll
Speaker 1: see what happens here in training camp. Well, safety's one,
Speaker 1: and you see the list of Goose linebackers. In that list,
Speaker 1: I'd say safety, linebacker, and defensive tackle, or three spots
Speaker 1: where a rookie free agent has a shot in terms
Speaker 1: of numbers to get on this roster, especially when you
Speaker 1: look at linebackers and safety is a guy that could
Speaker 1: play special teams might be able to crack it. I'm
Speaker 1: thinking about Barry Church, guys like that who were able
Speaker 1: to make the team with a special team's role. Jeff
Speaker 1: Jeff Heath another dude. So those are three positions I
Speaker 1: look at and say, Okay, if you play that spot,
Speaker 1: you might have a shot to make the fifty three
Speaker 1: with a good camp. What about Marchie. I love that name.
Speaker 1: He should make it because Marchi Marchie Murdoch. He's a
Speaker 1: wide receiver. And you know, if you're looking at guys
Speaker 1: Cole Beasley, probably a little a little crowded there. It's
Speaker 1: a little crowded Marchie Murdoch. It's funny though, you know
Speaker 1: everyone called this Mountain West Draft for the Cowboys. Not
Speaker 1: opposed to that. Got to give a shout out to them.
Speaker 1: But if you look at the undrafted guys, a lot
Speaker 1: of them come from Iowa State. You talked about two
Speaker 1: big guys from San Diego State. So sometimes it helps
Speaker 1: when you have scouts at certain schools. Well at Middle Tennessee. Again, Ward,
Speaker 1: I keep an eye on him. There's something about him
Speaker 1: to his game that I really really like. When you
Speaker 1: watched him play in that uh the Conference USA stuff.
Speaker 1: I mean, he is, he can cover, he's the movement
Speaker 1: is really good for this kid. I again, I need
Speaker 1: to find out what the issues were were, but I
Speaker 1: didn't see anything on tape. It would lead me to
Speaker 1: believe that this kid can't play well moving forward. Of course,
Speaker 1: the draft ended on Saturday and the guys will be here.
Speaker 1: I don't know if we have exact dates, but is
Speaker 1: it Thursday or Friday? They heard get in on Thursday
Speaker 1: and then the mini camps the following week, So next
Speaker 1: week Friday Saturday. Yeah, yeah, they'll do that. So getting
Speaker 1: ready to there. But now we're starting to look around
Speaker 1: the league and a lot of people were tweeting and
Speaker 1: mentioning it. Yesterday. Some former Cowboys were cut after the weekend.
Speaker 1: I think Terroll McClaine was a big name people were
Speaker 1: talking about, and then JJ Wilcox safety again was cut.
Speaker 1: Is there any ever any interest? I know you guys
Speaker 1: did a mailback on that. Yeah, I think I think
Speaker 1: there's interest in the defensive tackle. I do McClain. I
Speaker 1: think that's a position that they need to kind of address.
Speaker 1: And you know, if you look at it, we we
Speaker 1: talked about the draft really didn't bring that to Fruition
Speaker 1: for whatever reason. There were guys on the board. I
Speaker 1: felt like that they could have gone, but they went
Speaker 1: a different direction. And that's okay for them, but you know,
Speaker 1: they they they look at this the undrafted guys, and
Speaker 1: they really wasn't name help. I felt like though that
Speaker 1: McClain played well enough. Uh you know with the combination.
Speaker 1: You look at him and what he was able to
Speaker 1: do with MALIEK. Collins, that was a pretty good one. Too.
Speaker 1: Little punch in side right there. So I was told
Speaker 1: that they will explore that opportunity. I don't know about
Speaker 1: JJ Wilcox though, unless Mickey's got something different from me,
Speaker 1: I can't imagine there that ship is sailed. Okay, well
Speaker 1: McClain McClean isn't explore and Wilcox is. Mickey said it's
Speaker 1: on its way to another port. Yeah, yea or Rob
Speaker 1: Rob might have looked into that too. You going to
Speaker 1: that one too? Yeah? Maybe? What do you think? I
Speaker 1: don't know if he's a cover guy that they're looking for.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you look at the guys that
Speaker 1: have been available in free agency that they didn't go after,
Speaker 1: scheme fit. They want a guy back there who can
Speaker 1: play true free and that's not that's not JJ's forte. So.
Speaker 1: But Clain's interesting though. I think it comes down to
Speaker 1: money though. You know, one year, one point he made
Speaker 1: seven point five million dollars you know what way, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's she didn't pay him that much. His contract came
Speaker 1: to really a one year deal seven point five million dollars. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they'll do that. They'll they'll take a guy from the
Speaker 1: Cowboys and pay him way more than the Cowboys or
Speaker 1: we're willing to. Yeah, they really liked him when he
Speaker 1: was here. I don't know if the three to four
Speaker 1: in Washington was a fit for him. So um, but again,
Speaker 1: it's gonna come down to money. Look, they just traded
Speaker 1: for a guy they like, johad Ward, a young defensive tackle.
Speaker 1: So did we'll tell you they we're gonna play him
Speaker 1: a defensive tackle? Did he tell me that? Yeah, since
Speaker 1: you're on this bit of telling me information, did anybody
Speaker 1: tell you where they're gonna play him? No? I did not.
Speaker 1: I said that during the draft press conference they got
Speaker 1: play Hm at defensive defensive tackle. Okay, I know they
Speaker 1: thought he was out of position as an end of
Speaker 1: three to four end yeah, well three to four end, yeah,
Speaker 1: as a really a linebacker five technique guys. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean some of his production was
Speaker 1: inside playing as a defensive tackle, So I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think he's going to it sounded like he was
Speaker 1: going to tackle, Okay, I mean, he's what six four,
Speaker 1: two ninety five. They yeah, he was, he's gotten bigger.
Speaker 1: I know that. I don't think he's an end. No, yeah,
Speaker 1: he'll he'll go inside, and I think they look at him,
Speaker 1: you know, he might be a David Irving starting kid.
Speaker 1: I knew. I knew that Will really liked him coming
Speaker 1: out of college. I knew that was something that when
Speaker 1: when they mentioned the name, When when the Raiders called
Speaker 1: and asked for be asked for Switzer and the name
Speaker 1: they brought up, and that's what made the trade really
Speaker 1: easy for them. Absolutely. Yeah, Well we're talking about other
Speaker 1: traded guys, and of course we have the benefit of
Speaker 1: being here at the Star and for us going seeing yesterday,
Speaker 1: Tavon Austin was already out here getting involved in the
Speaker 1: workouts yesterday. Are you guys excited about this? I know
Speaker 1: it was kind of fast moving and a lot of
Speaker 1: different things will shake out before the team even hits
Speaker 1: the field for the season, But Tavon Austin, a Dallas Cowboy, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I think it shows a maybe a philosophy shift,
Speaker 1: or at least an idea of some new wrinkles that
Speaker 1: they might put into this offense. I think with we
Speaker 1: talked about Dak friendly, and I think this is a
Speaker 1: guy who can be in the short passing game, run
Speaker 1: after catch and kind of take advantage of what Dak
Speaker 1: does well instead of worrying so much about a guy
Speaker 1: that I mean, he's got deep speed, but I think
Speaker 1: I think that part of his game can add something
Speaker 1: different to what they're trying to do offensively. And Deante
Speaker 1: Thompson's kind of that guy as well. They're they're trying
Speaker 1: to Jerry talked about this at the combine. They need
Speaker 1: to find different ways to attack defenses and maybe take
Speaker 1: things from the college game, and I think Austin can
Speaker 1: kind of help in that way. But they also envisioned
Speaker 1: him like Lance Dunbar was here, or he might get
Speaker 1: some carries this you know, everybody viewed him as a receiver,
Speaker 1: but this is a guy who had He has almost
Speaker 1: two hundred career carries, So I think there's a lot
Speaker 1: of different ways they can use him. I do wonder
Speaker 1: how many times you can give him the ball per game, though,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know this is this is still Zeke's
Speaker 1: offense when it comes right down to it. He's a
Speaker 1: web back. Come on, web web You have you heard
Speaker 1: have you heard of that phrase? Never neither, And I've
Speaker 1: been here since ninety two doing stuff, but even used
Speaker 1: it like but Brian and I have we we've we've
Speaker 1: figured it out. It means just when you look at
Speaker 1: the spider web, it just you have the ability to
Speaker 1: kind of stretch around. He'd better figure out how not
Speaker 1: to fumble, or he's not going to be here those
Speaker 1: balls that yell at you, right, yeah, if he if
Speaker 1: he's screeching one, if he if he puts the ball
Speaker 1: on the ground a bunch, and that he has a
Speaker 1: history of doing that, it's no guarantee he's going to
Speaker 1: make this football team. But he's in a situation where
Speaker 1: he better figure out how not to fumble. I think
Speaker 1: that's one of the reasons Lucky Whiteheads off the field.
Speaker 1: Lucky Whitehead's situation too, putting the ball in the ground.
Speaker 1: That made people very comfortable around here. I think Luck
Speaker 1: he had some other problems too, As I said, off
Speaker 1: the field. Yeah, yeah, so yeah, if you if you don't,
Speaker 1: if you don't secure the ball and whatever they're trying
Speaker 1: to do, and you're right about him, and you watch
Speaker 1: him the West Virginia tape, this was an incredible player.
Speaker 1: Like I say, throwing the Texas game, you draft him
Speaker 1: right where he was drafted because the players he made
Speaker 1: put him in the backfield, hand it to him, throw
Speaker 1: it to him, swing it to him, you know all
Speaker 1: that stuff. But he's he's had he's had some fumble
Speaker 1: issues and that's something that you know, the minute that
Speaker 1: starts to happen, he will get people to turn on
Speaker 1: him a little bit. We spoke to him Saturday after
Speaker 1: he got traded, and he blamed a lot of last
Speaker 1: year on injuries. You know, he said he had a
Speaker 1: wrist injury that required surgery, he had hamstring early in camp,
Speaker 1: and maybe the Rams didn't quite know how to use him.
Speaker 1: Maybe fumbles were a factor, but he was kind of
Speaker 1: a non factor for them last year. That worries me
Speaker 1: a little bit. Sean McVay is understanding. Sean say, it's
Speaker 1: not his type of receiver, but you look at what
Speaker 1: he did with Jamison Crowder at Washington, A smaller guy,
Speaker 1: a quicker guy, a slot guy, kind of got him
Speaker 1: really involved. And the fact that they didn't get Austin involved,
Speaker 1: and you know, the Rams even extended him, they gave him,
Speaker 1: you know, more money and so that to me in itself,
Speaker 1: But they never could figure out ways to really get
Speaker 1: him going, and I hope the Cowboys come up with
Speaker 1: some creative ways to make that way. I felt like
Speaker 1: they never could get ways with Sammy Watkins. If you're
Speaker 1: gonna go with their team, I mean it was just
Speaker 1: Todd Gurley year. Yeah, it's a free look. I mean
Speaker 1: he sure got a million dollars based salary and doesn't
Speaker 1: kick in until the team, so it's a free look.
Speaker 1: But the way they talked about him in the press conference,
Speaker 1: oh no, I'm like, they've got a role for this guy,
Speaker 1: but you they do. I mean he's the toy running back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and maybe the kick returner as well. Yeah yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1: He has to overcome a lot of history, and I
Speaker 1: mean history in a way of things happened to him. Okay,
Speaker 1: you draft a player, why was he not the player
Speaker 1: that he wasn't? And he and you could talk about
Speaker 1: injury and stuff like that, and you know you wonder,
Speaker 1: I mean you wonder why. And again, I think Sean
Speaker 1: McVay is a very creative coach, and that would worry
Speaker 1: me a little bit. I bring him in. I'm with Mickey,
Speaker 1: free look I'm all for that, But you're going to
Speaker 1: find creative ways to use him. I think that's something
Speaker 1: that we need to find. I think you'll find out
Speaker 1: out very early. You know how he's involved. Is he
Speaker 1: is he going to be the jet sweep guy? Is
Speaker 1: he going to be a screen guy? Is he just
Speaker 1: going to be a kickoff punt return guy. Go back
Speaker 1: to twenty fourteen, how the Cowboys used Dunbar. That's kind
Speaker 1: of what they wanted to do. They worked out before
Speaker 1: the draft. Yeah, so they were thinking the same way,
Speaker 1: and they were looking at those those type of running
Speaker 1: backs in the draft. They just kind of went before
Speaker 1: they wanted to take one, right, So I think that's
Speaker 1: the role you see them, you know, a change up
Speaker 1: running back that comes in and and what is he? Yeah,
Speaker 1: let the defense figure it out. Now, he's got to
Speaker 1: produce when they go to him. That's that's my that's
Speaker 1: my I mean, I still see Dunbar catch and that
Speaker 1: forty yard pat was it against New Orleans before he
Speaker 1: got hurt downfield? You were that you were on you
Speaker 1: liked the idea of Dunbar returning. Yeah, I would have
Speaker 1: been fine with that if they couldn't find anything else. Now,
Speaker 1: this guy is probably a little faster, um, maybe a
Speaker 1: little more versatile, maybe a little bit more explosives. Yeah,
Speaker 1: as a receiver. Yeah, And injuries have been a problem
Speaker 1: for Lance. Yeah. I mean every every year. Just look
Speaker 1: at the calendar and say, okay, what day is it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that happened to him last year. A great guy, great guy.
Speaker 1: And then the Cowboys were looking at maybe had some
Speaker 1: interest in maybe bringing him back in that role. But
Speaker 1: I think I wonder if they were looking at somebody
Speaker 1: early on Day three, like Tavon's a few years older
Speaker 1: than these rookies coming in, and they didn't find that guy,
Speaker 1: and so hey, this this trade was on the table,
Speaker 1: didn't sound like it. It sound like the guy they
Speaker 1: were really hunting was the receiver fell in their lap.
Speaker 1: And then and then Armstrong, the defensive end. That's who
Speaker 1: they want. Yeah, they weren't trying to trade back in
Speaker 1: the draft for anybody else. They mean, I've thought when
Speaker 1: we're on the draft, we were talking about it. We
Speaker 1: thought they were going back for more the free safety
Speaker 1: from Southern miss And nah, they were going back in
Speaker 1: Awe for Arms. They were worried about him making it
Speaker 1: too when he was picked there and that's so, that's true.
Speaker 1: They thought about him at eighty one. Yeah, and well,
Speaker 1: a couple of different things happened the Seahawks. They were gonna,
Speaker 1: you know, if you think about the draft, some things
Speaker 1: I've learned and I don't know, say if you're gonna
Speaker 1: get into him or not. We have time to visit
Speaker 1: for a second. You're gonna take a break. What are
Speaker 1: you gonna do? I think we can visit about this
Speaker 1: second round at fifty they were talking about seats. Earl Thomas, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean Earl Seattle called and said, hey, listen, you interested,
Speaker 1: and the fact that the Connor Williams was on the board.
Speaker 1: They said, no, we're not. We're gonna you know. And
Speaker 1: then Dallas in the third at eighty one called back.
Speaker 1: So you know, there was a there was a lot
Speaker 1: going on in that second and third round when it
Speaker 1: came to backs. But it seemed like to me in
Speaker 1: the third that just talking to some folks that Armstrong
Speaker 1: was that guy, so should have told him call me
Speaker 1: back on Saturday. How would that make you feel if
Speaker 1: you were Earl Thomas knowing like okay, they would have chased,
Speaker 1: you know, done this deal. Then they didn't really want me. Well,
Speaker 1: that's just that just shows you how much they thought
Speaker 1: of Connor Williams. Evidently Rob Phillips column love that pick
Speaker 1: or the need for that guy. Yeah, I think that
Speaker 1: Chaz is good. Um, but Chad's not going to play
Speaker 1: inside at guard. I don't think he was a guard.
Speaker 1: And all you had at this point is Marcus Martin,
Speaker 1: and I think we were all in agreement. You didn't
Speaker 1: want to move Leo Collins to guard, so you you know,
Speaker 1: you filled a hole. Yeah, he did, and he started
Speaker 1: working already. I saw a picture of him running the
Speaker 1: hills at Cupelle High School concert on Sunday. Where did
Speaker 1: you see that? Mickey? Where did I see it? It's
Speaker 1: on Twitter on social media, you know. I I got
Speaker 1: it off the phone of his uncle who showed me
Speaker 1: the picture. And then if you needed to know, trying
Speaker 1: to do family, Yeah, I know, and I jabbed back,
Speaker 1: didn't I got me all right? So much what he
Speaker 1: just said I think I think, Um, it puts the
Speaker 1: balance back in this offensive line to where now you've
Speaker 1: invested this much in Lyle Collins at tackle, keep him there.
Speaker 1: They think this guy ideally, it's kind of like Zack
Speaker 1: Martin coming out of school. Arm reach wise, he's not
Speaker 1: he's probably not an ideal tackle, but put him at guard.
Speaker 1: He's physical, he's nasty, he's athletic. He fits in And
Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, they're deep again. They're deep,
Speaker 1: and they're talented and they're athletic. And when this offensive
Speaker 1: line is all those things, this team's usually pretty good,
Speaker 1: especially when you've got an elite back and you're you know,
Speaker 1: banking on Zeke for sixteen games. This shoot, I think
Speaker 1: this is the move that gets the Cowboys competitive again
Speaker 1: in the division, like we're talking maybe when in the division.
Speaker 1: I really believe that if the defense can stay solid,
Speaker 1: I think this is this is a playoff team again.
Speaker 1: It really But there's another element to that. Now they
Speaker 1: have a backup swing tackle. That's what I said. They
Speaker 1: got options Now Fleming can play that swing tackle spot.
Speaker 1: But so Williams. I'm not I'm not sure. I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: The guard cost him last year. Not having somebody behind
Speaker 1: Tyron Smith cost him last year. Yeah, you could kind
Speaker 1: of get by. It didn't cost them. But you guys
Speaker 1: wanted an upgrade from Jonathan Cooper, didn't you. Well yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think you looked at those two spots
Speaker 1: and said, ah, they're not where they need to be.
Speaker 1: And it was a disaster when Tyron got hurt. A disaster.
Speaker 1: But now we're open. That's fixed. There's a trickle down
Speaker 1: effect because now you don't have to move Lale Collins
Speaker 1: and and so you leave him there because if you
Speaker 1: moved Lale Collins inside and Cameron Cameron Fleming was your
Speaker 1: starting right tackle, then okay, who's your backup swing tackle? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you still and have that good points. Good points. When
Speaker 1: we come back, we are going to get into the
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Speaker 1: lucky to be all are all right? Well? Gold jacket Witt,
Speaker 1: who undeniably will be a first ballot Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1: Of course, there's still speculations about his decision that people
Speaker 1: are assuming will be announced in the next few days
Speaker 1: regarding his retirement, what his next step will be. Now
Speaker 1: there's news of maybe a different network coming into play,
Speaker 1: and you know, other people talking about what it means
Speaker 1: his contract in the financial standoff it might impose with
Speaker 1: the team. But what have you guys heard? What is
Speaker 1: the latest and what's the update you have for the
Speaker 1: Jason Witten retirement? Mick, Yeah, go ahead say the break. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're waiting, just like everybody else's waiting. We are. I
Speaker 1: don't know that there's an update, you know. He My
Speaker 1: understanding as of yesterday was he was still contemplating that
Speaker 1: he hadn't made a decision yet and he can't seem
Speaker 1: to decide if he wants to take the deal that
Speaker 1: probably he shouldn't refuse or play another year. And I
Speaker 1: thought it was interesting listening to Emmett Smith talk about
Speaker 1: it this morning, and he was pointing out that, you
Speaker 1: know a lot of times what players do is they
Speaker 1: want to hang on that one more chance to go
Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl. And sometimes you know, you think, okay,
Speaker 1: this maybe this next year, and it's like ten years later,
Speaker 1: you still didn't go. And and uh so that's part
Speaker 1: of the reason why guys don't want to retire if
Speaker 1: they're healthy. And he's fortunate he is healthy. U. So
Speaker 1: that's a great appointment because more shot, you know, I
Speaker 1: think both you and Rob were there last week when
Speaker 1: he was honoring those men that were part of his
Speaker 1: Score Foundation with the J. C. Penny and Michael Strahan partnership,
Speaker 1: and he kind of opened it up and he's talking about,
Speaker 1: you know, Michael Strahan and he said he said it
Speaker 1: with you know, kind of sarcasm, but he goes, you know,
Speaker 1: that guy won two Super Bowls with the Giants while
Speaker 1: I was down here not happy about that. And I
Speaker 1: you know, it's something that that stings when you talk
Speaker 1: about his career because he is such a such a
Speaker 1: great and it's unfortunate that at this current time he's
Speaker 1: not able to put Super Bowl winner next to his name.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you pass up an opportunity broadcast
Speaker 1: on money night football. I don't, especially for amount of
Speaker 1: money supposedly. I don't worry about the money. It's it's
Speaker 1: one of the most iconic positions. It's if you look
Speaker 1: at the if the history of television, Monday Night Football
Speaker 1: is just as just as popular as any series Dallas,
Speaker 1: any any any series one. I almost said the Simpsons.
Speaker 1: It's been around twenty nine years. But you think about
Speaker 1: iconic television programs and the list of guys that are
Speaker 1: broadcasted for that is very, very few. And I you know,
Speaker 1: Witton's had a hell of a career. We can all
Speaker 1: you call him gold jacket wit, but I feel like
Speaker 1: you cannot pass an opportunity up like that. I really
Speaker 1: really don't. What if it does College Game Day, I
Speaker 1: don't call it, okay, you know, if he does the
Speaker 1: SEC is a college guy like Man of the Year, Okay,
Speaker 1: if it came down to college, if it came down
Speaker 1: to the CBS version of the SEC Game of the Week,
Speaker 1: which he's a Tennessee guy, which would be perfect for him,
Speaker 1: you know, with him and Brad Nessler doing that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. I kind of feel like, though, that that
Speaker 1: that that would be a harder decision to do. But
Speaker 1: when you're talking about Monday night football, it's gone down,
Speaker 1: it has not had the ratings. Yeah, well, how about
Speaker 1: the league would help them with some games used to
Speaker 1: be Monday night football. It used to be yeah when
Speaker 1: I was growing up, as there was no Sunday Night. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the whole idea. Sunday Night gets incredible games. Sunday
Speaker 1: Night you used to be like kind of the AFC
Speaker 1: East pre Brady game where they just are West when
Speaker 1: they just kind of give you two kind of average teams. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and now yeah, Sunday Night in some ways has become
Speaker 1: the new Monday Night. Yeah, but if you told me that,
Speaker 1: if you said, hey, listen, you can go do the
Speaker 1: Thursday night game, or oh okay, maybe it's a little
Speaker 1: bit tougher decision. It's still you're right. It is still
Speaker 1: really but his wheelhouse is the NFL. He knows the league,
Speaker 1: He's seen these teams, he's seen the players. It would
Speaker 1: be a lot easier to do Monday night football then
Speaker 1: go back to college. I think that I think that
Speaker 1: the Jason Witton, to me, I never would believe have
Speaker 1: lieved that he was going to be a broadcaster. I
Speaker 1: always believed him to be a college football coach or
Speaker 1: a coach. I think his enthusiasm, his passion for the
Speaker 1: game translates better into college football. I think his broadcasting
Speaker 1: if he did college would translate. They would he would
Speaker 1: he would get into it. Now, not to say he's
Speaker 1: not going to get into the NFL stuff, but he
Speaker 1: the way that he the passion that he has for
Speaker 1: the game, to me is more of a college atmosphere
Speaker 1: kind of a thing then the NFL, which is more
Speaker 1: of a business reminded. So that's part of his decision.
Speaker 1: Would he wants a coach more than he wants a
Speaker 1: now you know what, if he wants to coach, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think if he would been out of the game
Speaker 1: for two years and had a chance to coach somewhere,
Speaker 1: he would have had a shot at the Tennessee job
Speaker 1: at University of Tennessee. I think he really would have.
Speaker 1: I think full former would have interviewed him as a possibility.
Speaker 1: I've always believed that he was going to be a coach.
Speaker 1: I just from the from the minute minute anything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he coaches his kids and life lessons every day. You
Speaker 1: watch how he interacts with people, those kids on the
Speaker 1: Cowboy you thing. You know, the intensity that he shows,
Speaker 1: of the passion he shows for that, and I know
Speaker 1: it's but it's kids. That's why I think the college
Speaker 1: game to him, if he was a college coach, it
Speaker 1: would make perfect sense. Coaching in his blood. I mean
Speaker 1: I spoke to his brother Sean for a while last
Speaker 1: year for a story I did on him and his
Speaker 1: brother's a coach. His brother's coaching at their old high
Speaker 1: school where their grandfather coach for like thirty years. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree. I've always thought that would and maybe eventually
Speaker 1: will still be the path. I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's only thirty five years old. Um, you just don't
Speaker 1: think of him as just thirty five though. No, he's
Speaker 1: been around forever. But twenty one years old. We got
Speaker 1: him here. Sean Witten told me though, like he felt
Speaker 1: like this is last year. Jason would hang it up
Speaker 1: eventually when he felt like I'm just taking up space
Speaker 1: at this point. And I don't think. I don't think
Speaker 1: he does the youth movement of this team. I doubt
Speaker 1: he feels like that. Now. The question is does he
Speaker 1: can he can he get out there and feel like
Speaker 1: he can strap it up and like go one hundred
Speaker 1: miles an hour for until last months and do this.
Speaker 1: But until last week he felt like he could. He
Speaker 1: showed up for offseason work out. Somebody made him an
Speaker 1: offer he shouldn't refuse. Yeah, I think he was a portion.
Speaker 1: You know, I just don't refuse. Give me ten percent
Speaker 1: to me. Yeah, it's it's difficult. It just shows you
Speaker 1: how much he loves the game of football. Because if
Speaker 1: it was me, Hello, Monday night football. You know, I've
Speaker 1: talked to John Gruden about that. You know, John got
Speaker 1: back into coaching, but John's a coach. John did Monday
Speaker 1: night football for nine years. He says. It's he says,
Speaker 1: it's he goes, you really focus on just that week,
Speaker 1: that job. But he says, it's an incredible experience going around.
Speaker 1: He goes, I've never got to go to other teams
Speaker 1: facilities and talk to their personnel and talk to general
Speaker 1: managers and talk to coach and said, he goes, it's
Speaker 1: an incredible experience, he says, but I'm a coach. That's
Speaker 1: what I do. The Raiders made him, Mike Mickey said,
Speaker 1: an offer he couldn't refuse. Well, if if he wants
Speaker 1: a coach. We've seen guys go from the booth to coaching, right,
Speaker 1: and maybe you learn the league a little bit and
Speaker 1: doing that job, and then it's like when you're forty
Speaker 1: years old, you go, Okay, I think I think yeah,
Speaker 1: because yeah, I think that Jason Witten was going to coach.
Speaker 1: I think he needs to be a coach. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't say going into booth is to go go
Speaker 1: get that experience. I wonder if I wonder if that's
Speaker 1: in the back of his mind, like I can play
Speaker 1: one more year and then I'll try to get into
Speaker 1: coaching and and and because if I get into this,
Speaker 1: my career path is going to change. Hey, look, Dan
Speaker 1: Campbell wasn't half the player or a quarter the player
Speaker 1: of what Jason Witten was. He went on to be
Speaker 1: a coach and he was interim head coach and the
Speaker 1: National Football League. And nothing against Dan Campbell. I love
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell, but Jason Witten. If if if Jason Witton
Speaker 1: with the same path as Dan Campbell, he would be
Speaker 1: a head coach one day somebody would hire him as
Speaker 1: a head coach. Yeah, it's just you think about all
Speaker 1: the great players in the history of the league, and
Speaker 1: not many of them get into coaching because of the
Speaker 1: hours and because if you've made the money Jason Witten has,
Speaker 1: do you want to grind like? But who is committed
Speaker 1: to Who's committed to making himself the best player through
Speaker 1: the hours? Jason Witten? There you go. Yeah, he's not
Speaker 1: late strong. Yeah, he's not lazy. No, no, I know
Speaker 1: you're not saying that at all, but he's not lazy
Speaker 1: different Yeah, yeah, yeah, guy gets worked twenty hours a
Speaker 1: day during the season. Yeah, you know. Now it's now
Speaker 1: on the family part of it. I mean his family
Speaker 1: understands now, he gets up, he goes to work, he
Speaker 1: comes home late that his family gets this. Yeah. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm just assuming the timeframe. A lot of people were confused.
Speaker 1: Why would you wait so long to do this to
Speaker 1: your team? I am assuming just from the outsider looking in,
Speaker 1: it had a lot to do with the different contracts
Speaker 1: and different things that these networks could offer him, and
Speaker 1: just the way that those laid out with Gruden, you know,
Speaker 1: taking the job when he did, and other guys turning
Speaker 1: down down, and different things like that. Because I do
Speaker 1: think if Witten had thought, Okay, this is my retirement year.
Speaker 1: He wouldn't have waited as long as he did. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And it's and it's my understanding that Jerry's been in
Speaker 1: the loop on this. I mean in the last I
Speaker 1: don't know, probably helping him in certain aspects. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it wouldn't be like Jason to just catch Jerry. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you gotta have an offer before you can think
Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, I'm guarantee. It just came last week
Speaker 1: with all the ESPN people here for the draft. There's
Speaker 1: there's there's obviously tests that they do. You remember what
Speaker 1: Romo went through, the different tests that they had him
Speaker 1: do games you come in. I just there's there's tests
Speaker 1: that they're gonna do, and they're gonna put that in
Speaker 1: front of audience and say, hey, who comes off as
Speaker 1: the best guy? And audience says, hey this Jason Witten.
Speaker 1: Guys pretty damn good at this. Yeah. And I always said, yeah, boom,
Speaker 1: here we go. I would love what Mickey said though, too,
Speaker 1: as far as if you knew at the start of
Speaker 1: the season, Okay, this is Jason Witten's last year. Everyone's
Speaker 1: on board with that like a Ray Lewis type situation,
Speaker 1: Because I would love to see how this team would
Speaker 1: act and respond to certain things, just because I personally
Speaker 1: have never worked with Jason Witten on any degree, and
Speaker 1: especially not on a football field. But could you imagine
Speaker 1: not playing your best if you ever knew this was
Speaker 1: one of Jason Witten's last games, because you know, just
Speaker 1: the emotion that would draw and everything like that. I
Speaker 1: would love to have something like that. I think would
Speaker 1: be maybe easier for Cowboys. This is gonna sound I
Speaker 1: don't mean to sound disrespectful to you here, but I
Speaker 1: don't think Jason Witten would want that because he doesn't
Speaker 1: want all that. Noah, he doesn't. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: Jason Witten has an ego, they all do, but I
Speaker 1: don't think he has it to the point of play
Speaker 1: for me, play for me bit. You know. It's Jason
Speaker 1: Witten has always been about play for yourselves, let's play
Speaker 1: for each other, you know. I think that's something he
Speaker 1: has always done. And if every game was oh, this
Speaker 1: is the last one against the last trip to FedEx,
Speaker 1: last trip to get Yeah, I mean, for him having
Speaker 1: every week stand up there and say, Jason, last think
Speaker 1: of that last trip to MetLife, you know, and well, yeah,
Speaker 1: it is it's last trip. It was it was the
Speaker 1: last trip the week before the fed At, you know,
Speaker 1: and I think I think it would get old for him,
Speaker 1: I really do. I think this this way, to me
Speaker 1: is pretty perfect for Jason Witten because he has it's
Speaker 1: another app opportunity, it's another chapter in his life. You know,
Speaker 1: it's something he can. He can. He closes the door
Speaker 1: on one, he opens the door on another. And he's
Speaker 1: got a good buddy who experienced this last year and
Speaker 1: it's worked out pretty well. Tony Romo. So I don't
Speaker 1: know to trust me to tell him to hurry up
Speaker 1: and make a decision. Yeah, choose your life for our
Speaker 1: for our for our for our purposes. Yeah, choose your
Speaker 1: life now on change it forever. But yes, no, of
Speaker 1: course the Cowboys have already shown some some different movements
Speaker 1: drafting Dalton Schultz. They should have done that even if
Speaker 1: he was coming back. Should like him, the Stanford guy.
Speaker 1: I just they needed another tight end, they rico. No,
Speaker 1: they needed another tight end that play football. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: we talked to one of the scouts came by and
Speaker 1: said he liked the pick, maybe more than any of them. Sure,
Speaker 1: and the reason was simple because he played at Stanford,
Speaker 1: and they produced tight ends like in the NFL, like
Speaker 1: it's a factory. Yeah, you know, zach Ertz is a
Speaker 1: pretty good one. Played in the Super Bowl and want
Speaker 1: a super Bowl. So yeah, we'll see how what a
Speaker 1: ceiling is. But I think they think he's a pretty
Speaker 1: solid guy that might be underrated as a pass catcher. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I think that if you if you're asking him though,
Speaker 1: too to be a flex or detached player, that's not
Speaker 1: his game. His game is in line why blocking on
Speaker 1: the edge, working with tackles, working working with combo blocks,
Speaker 1: these are all things that he can do. So yeah,
Speaker 1: the right on my board, right where he was taken,
Speaker 1: right there in the fifth round. I thought it was
Speaker 1: a great pick him and the guy Will Disley was
Speaker 1: a guy had mentioned Yevers to Washington I thought were
Speaker 1: the two best block and tight ends in the draft.
Speaker 1: Had him right there with each other, and Disley went
Speaker 1: a round ahead at him. But still Schultz is a
Speaker 1: really really good player. So like his numbers aren't great,
Speaker 1: but that's a Stanford offense, right, I mean, Stanford will
Speaker 1: put as many blockers on the field as they can.
Speaker 1: The quarterback play hasn't been nearly as good as it
Speaker 1: has in the past, so they've had some problems that way.
Speaker 1: But David Shaw is a very physical coach. Their team
Speaker 1: is a very physical coach. They're a very run first team.
Speaker 1: They've got a kid named Love as a running back
Speaker 1: that we're all gonna be talking about next year is
Speaker 1: one of the top running backs. And the they'll be
Speaker 1: in the draft, and so yeah, it's all about it's
Speaker 1: all about really football in a phone booth for those guys.
Speaker 1: Very similar what the Cowboys do. Very run heavy team
Speaker 1: on first down, try and play with some balance, but
Speaker 1: the running aspect of it is the most important thing
Speaker 1: to them. And that's where you have That's where you
Speaker 1: get blocking tight ends and fullbacks and just get a
Speaker 1: complete tight en. Yeah, get Mike Dicko. Yeah don't. Well
Speaker 1: that goes way back. But sorry, well because they don't.
Speaker 1: They don't make those anymos. Jerry Kramer taking a shot
Speaker 1: at the Ice Bowl people. The only guy that understood
Speaker 1: is Ice Bowl comment was Bob Lilly. I think right
Speaker 1: there for me, Yeah, I understand, yeah, you got. I'm
Speaker 1: sorry though, the guy David Akers not impressed, just not impressed.
Speaker 1: It seemed phony. If you if you said if you
Speaker 1: sent their safety, if you sent Brian Dawkins, why did
Speaker 1: they not do that? That's the one I was. They
Speaker 1: probably couldn't get them. You know, I'll tell you what
Speaker 1: you said. They didn't get him to come and do it.
Speaker 1: They brought Rocky in there, Trotter, those were all scary guys.
Speaker 1: That guy was the especially since Trotter's from Texas. Yeah
Speaker 1: and hooks right. The only thing that Drew Pearson really
Speaker 1: said amy at the Eagles fans the year before was
Speaker 1: that he loved them for giving them a career. He
Speaker 1: didn't really like jab them. It was mainly just in
Speaker 1: their city. Yeah, yeah, I just felt like, don't send
Speaker 1: a kicker to do a man's jose. The other the
Speaker 1: other thing is this is why movie sequels aren't as
Speaker 1: good as the original. Right, you can't, you can't, don't.
Speaker 1: You don't even trot it's untouchable. He should have just
Speaker 1: got up there and played it straight like everybody was
Speaker 1: expecting that. Here's the pick. Why didn't you just let
Speaker 1: the best moment of the draft be Ryan Shasier Because
Speaker 1: there's nothing that can even compete against that. You don't
Speaker 1: need to have some silly rivalry moment. Ryan Shazier and
Speaker 1: Shack Griffin. They stole the draft in terms of just good,
Speaker 1: feel good moments. Yeah, Phil didn't have their moment. Connor
Speaker 1: Williams your guy. He had some great reaction, probably the
Speaker 1: best reaction we've seen from a draft pick and quite
Speaker 1: some time. Yeah. It was kind of cool though, the
Speaker 1: family that went up there to read Connor's pick. By
Speaker 1: the way. Yeah, if you remember that the son of
Speaker 1: the soldier, the father was a fallen soldier. Soldier, they
Speaker 1: brought the family out there. Yeah, that was pretty cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in the jerseys it looked really sharp. Yeah. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it was nice that at some point gil Brandt got
Speaker 1: to go out and announce them. Why Gil Brand's not
Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame, I will never know. He's
Speaker 1: done more for football than a lot of guys. And still, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, for there's a reason there's a reason scouts
Speaker 1: or scouts because of gil brand There's things that he
Speaker 1: did in the sixties that we still do today. Most
Speaker 1: sure vative thinker. Absolutely, you know, we can go on
Speaker 1: and on. Jim Brown was out there, Bob Lilly was
Speaker 1: out there, it was Cherry Kramer. You are you are annoyed,
Speaker 1: all right? When we come back, we will have Rob's
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Speaker 1: value pick for the Cowboys in the draft, Brian, you
Speaker 1: might have a different I know you like one guy
Speaker 1: who's not on this list. There's only four options. I
Speaker 1: squeeze in five prospects here that they drafted vander Esh,
Speaker 1: Connor Williams, Mike Gallup in the third round, and then
Speaker 1: their two fourth round picks. I grouped him together, Doran's Armstrong,
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Speaker 1: Anybody else really jump out? You're like wow on the poll, yeah, Pole,
Speaker 1: I voted for Conrad Williams, did you Yeah, Okay, but
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. Mike White to me is a lottery
Speaker 1: ticket in the fifth round. Lottery ticket. Yeah, five one,
Speaker 1: seventy one. I'm a big, big, big fan of Mike White.
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna I think folks are gonna like
Speaker 1: him at the end of the day. Connor Williams makes
Speaker 1: a lot of sense. I had him on my top
Speaker 1: fifty over vander Esh had went at twenty seven, one
Speaker 1: at twenty eight, So yeah, I was the Connor Williams,
Speaker 1: Like Tay said, that's the one that makes a lot
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Speaker 1: a solid offensive line. You know, he gives you some
Speaker 1: flexible I wouldn't be surprised if they work him sum
Speaker 1: at center as well, to try and see if he
Speaker 1: could be a backup guy in that spot. But boy,
Speaker 1: what a good athlete, good player too, So very happy
Speaker 1: about the pick. I voted for that one. Tell you
Speaker 1: what I voted for vander Esh And now I agree
Speaker 1: we've all exhausted the points of Connor Williams. I think
Speaker 1: they got a great one at fifty. But vander Esh.
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Speaker 1: coached him at the Bears and different things like that.
Speaker 1: And he said, you know, he has the potential. You
Speaker 1: can't just put somebody's name and say this is the bright.
Speaker 1: He did not. He did not like to do that
Speaker 1: at all. He said, you know, I'm just saying they
Speaker 1: have similar range, similar traits, but he is not Brian
Speaker 1: or Lacker two point zero. That can't be dawned on
Speaker 1: anyone until they actually play NFL football. And so, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of hearing his analysis of him, you know, talks
Speaker 1: about just the smarts of him, and that's not saying that,
Speaker 1: you know, all these other guys aren't, but the fact
Speaker 1: that he can do this and pick it up quickly
Speaker 1: and seeing what he was able to do at Boise
Speaker 1: stayed and just his body is different than what we've
Speaker 1: seen him with other guys. So we'll see vender ashmick Um.
Speaker 1: I went with the people's choice Connor because I think
Speaker 1: he was a first round pick. Yeah, and you got
Speaker 1: him in the second round. So your question was value, right,
Speaker 1: Yes it was. I think that was great value. And
Speaker 1: the fans agree, sixty six percent, say Connor Williams. I
Speaker 1: voted for Gallup because my second choice. There were guys
Speaker 1: in the war room that were down with him at
Speaker 1: fifty yep, and the fact that they liked a bunch
Speaker 1: of receivers yep, and he was They got the last
Speaker 1: one that was still available, and they waited and didn't
Speaker 1: make a trade up. They just stayed and it looked
Speaker 1: out for him at eighty one. They really like him
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, so they're really happy with this draft overall.
Speaker 1: And I mean maybe they say that every year, but
Speaker 1: I feel like they got value with some multiple picks here.
Speaker 1: After the guys went down there to the Texas Pro Day,
Speaker 1: we've kind of circled back around to some different scouts
Speaker 1: and I think they were it seemed at least that
Speaker 1: they had always kind of been in agreement that Connor
Speaker 1: Williams wasn't a guy they were going to necessarily go
Speaker 1: after in the first round. Yeah. I felt like though
Speaker 1: that they traded back, that was where it was going
Speaker 1: to come from. I had an idea at nineteen they
Speaker 1: weren't planning. Yeah, at nineteen they were planning on it.
Speaker 1: But if you went back, there were a couple of
Speaker 1: teams there that I felt like that they could go back.
Speaker 1: Carolina was one spot, the Saints. I'm surprised the Saints
Speaker 1: came up for a pick, but they went defensive end
Speaker 1: is what they did. So yeah, I shocked everyone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a very shocking move, but that Connor Williams.
Speaker 1: Connor Williams was I'll tell you how special Connor Williams
Speaker 1: was to them. Connor Williams kept them from trading for
Speaker 1: Earl Thomas. We talked about that. I mean, if you know,
Speaker 1: and they liked, they were willing to do something with
Speaker 1: Earl Thomas. If if Connor Williams was not on that board,
Speaker 1: I had a feeling that Earl Thomas would would be here.
Speaker 1: But the fact that he was on that board, they
Speaker 1: couldn't pass up that opportunity. So that's why they made
Speaker 1: the pick. Yeah, thank goodness, Nicky's Nicky's a fan. No,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying. I'm just saying second round pick for
Speaker 1: Thomas was too much, but they might have done it.
Speaker 1: You're right, they were thinking about it, but it's too much.
Speaker 1: If Connor w wasn't on the board, they were they
Speaker 1: were going to dance that dance. Yeah. Yeah, well I'm
Speaker 1: glad you brought up Mike White. Of course, he is
Speaker 1: the quarterback they picked up from Western Kentucky. Right now,
Speaker 1: their current depth is Dak Prescott, Cooper Rush, and Mike White.
Speaker 1: We haven't kill the more. He's a coach making calls.
Speaker 1: He was he was making calls forgot Dalton Storm that's
Speaker 1: on the undrafted free agent list. Are you he's the
Speaker 1: fourth guy. Yeah, he's too Daltons. That's what the Dalton
Speaker 1: is that everybody starting naming their kids new popular from
Speaker 1: the movie Roadhouse. If you ever remember that Dalton Patrick
Speaker 1: saw Brian. What a great reference. But but these people
Speaker 1: that kids didn't know Roadhouse, at this Roadhouse, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. Damn sure know what you're talking about?
Speaker 1: All right, Mike White, third string QB here, Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: gonna Are they gonna bring any veterans when no, don't
Speaker 1: assume I don't think third yeah, uh oh yeah, is
Speaker 1: here to compete? Is here to compete. Jerry said something interesting,
Speaker 1: and he said this to us all the way back
Speaker 1: at the combine. He'd take a young guy over a veteran.
Speaker 1: And so we saw this kind of coming um the
Speaker 1: thing with him as snaps and this guy's not going
Speaker 1: to get the same number as snaps that Dak Prescott got.
Speaker 1: But Jerry saw the value in a rookie getting as
Speaker 1: many snaps as Dak Gott and and yeah, there go
Speaker 1: the progression he's adding his career versus like a rumo
Speaker 1: who had to sit for three and a half years ago.
Speaker 1: They'd like to just go ahead and invest in a
Speaker 1: young guy I think personally, and I haven't been told this,
Speaker 1: but look, they've tried Weed and they've tried Castle, they've
Speaker 1: tried these guys, and where did it get him? So
Speaker 1: you might as well go job knowell him more. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you might as well just go with a young guy
Speaker 1: and start from scratch and get invest in him and
Speaker 1: in time maybe that could be a backup for you.
Speaker 1: Gee's absolutely right. I'm glad you brought up to Dak Prescott. Jerry.
Speaker 1: Jerry's obsessed. He can't believe Dak got as many snaps
Speaker 1: as he did and what it paid off for them. Yeah. Now,
Speaker 1: of course they don't want Tony to get hurt like
Speaker 1: he did, but it worked out one less preseason game.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you'll get him some opportunities. I think that's great.
Speaker 1: I think Mike White will come in here. You know,
Speaker 1: Kelly Moore went and worked him out and you know
Speaker 1: he was able to. Yeah, he went out there and
Speaker 1: and I was I'm happy they did. I mean, I
Speaker 1: might mean personally had a third round grade on the guy.
Speaker 1: I when you look at the top, say the top
Speaker 1: five quarterbacks that went in the draft when it was
Speaker 1: you know, Rose and Jackson, Alan Darnold and Mayfield. I
Speaker 1: don't think Mike White is too terribly down the line.
Speaker 1: I mean I had about a round difference on him.
Speaker 1: But you know what, and I think that they did
Speaker 1: the right thing here. They really really did. And the
Speaker 1: fact they got him in the fifth round I think
Speaker 1: is even better. That you're you're it's a lottery ticket.
Speaker 1: You're trying to you're trying to hit on a guy.
Speaker 1: Mike White has the talent to be a starting quarterback
Speaker 1: in the National Football League. He really does. I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's gonna be here or somewhere else, but
Speaker 1: he has that talent. Strong. Let the competition begin, Yeah, right, absolutely.
Speaker 1: Cooper Rush, Yeah, I mean they're not going to just
Speaker 1: hand him the job. Well, you know, if Cooper Rush
Speaker 1: plays like he did last preseason, I think that's a
Speaker 1: good thing too. Yeah, I really do. I mean, I
Speaker 1: I like Cooper Rush was outstanding. That was that was
Speaker 1: very surprising to me. But but you have to get
Speaker 1: Cooper Rush. What happened to him? He got snaps, Yes,
Speaker 1: he got a lot of snaps. Let's see if they
Speaker 1: get you know, let's see if we have Mike why
Speaker 1: Cooper Rush gets uh half a game and Mike White
Speaker 1: gets the other half of the game. So I did
Speaker 1: think they're going to divvy up the snaps since you've
Speaker 1: got so many new receivers for these preseason games. So
Speaker 1: Dak does need snaps with them, but you don't want
Speaker 1: to over expose them. So you would like to play
Speaker 1: these young guys. But on the other hand, you know
Speaker 1: he needs to play in that one like Zeke, it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, right, I think both Scarborough better get ready
Speaker 1: to go leading rush for preseason. Yeah, he better be
Speaker 1: ready to go to work, right, They're gonna wear him out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because even I think Jason John yea, he made reference
Speaker 1: to Zeke. Yeah, well you know he's not gonna get
Speaker 1: too much. Yeah, so uh yeah, Scarborough and Trey Williams
Speaker 1: get ready, Yeah, gig him, gig him indeed and roll tide,
Speaker 1: both of them. You guys. That does Brian still doesn't
Speaker 1: have a team yet. Um not really, I think does timing,
Speaker 1: I mean reports does looking for that one year deal,
Speaker 1: bet on himself and cash in next year right next week? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, we get we get to may people get
Speaker 1: to OTAs, they get through some OTAs, get through rookie camps.
Speaker 1: Everybody can sit back now and look at their boards
Speaker 1: and say, Okay, we're really going to go to camp
Speaker 1: with this? Do we really want to? This is you know,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of when guys were added, like
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are linebacker from Alabama was added, I believe
Speaker 1: in June. Oh yeah, Rondo McClane. Yeah, sure, yeah, he
Speaker 1: was added in June. You know, sometimes you sit down
Speaker 1: and does is trying to be really he's trying to
Speaker 1: be focused on Okay, I'd like a one year deal.
Speaker 1: I'd like to do that. You know. He's because the
Speaker 1: reports you're talking about a Ravens had offered him that
Speaker 1: multi year right, yeah, And so he's very specific where
Speaker 1: he wants to go, and some teams gonna settle in
Speaker 1: and say, okay, you know, now we can make a sign.
Speaker 1: It'll probably be a very quiet day in June when
Speaker 1: we're all sitting around and together. Oh at lunch and
Speaker 1: oh look, jes Briant, you know, oh we gotta go
Speaker 1: to work. Yeah, des Bryant got a job. So I
Speaker 1: don't think it's a problem right now, because I've been
Speaker 1: in that room. You start looking at, Okay, where are
Speaker 1: we deficihing on our team. Where can we help our team?
Speaker 1: Des Brian would be a very good help for somebody
Speaker 1: right now. Agreed, Yeah, you do start looking at that.
Speaker 1: It's just you're right. I think the focus that I'm
Speaker 1: seeing at least is just through social media. Guys are
Speaker 1: trying to catch their breath right now. They really are.
Speaker 1: I looked. I walked by Will McClay at breakfast this morning,
Speaker 1: and I talked about him because we asked about it.
Speaker 1: I suppose jersey number We were looking for a picture
Speaker 1: of him at Rice. What jersey was? He goes he
Speaker 1: was number one, So we're just talking about but well,
Speaker 1: he looked he looked just so just like he was
Speaker 1: trying to catch his breath. He was sitting there eating
Speaker 1: an omelet and just by himself. He was just sitting
Speaker 1: by him and yeah, you know, and in that job
Speaker 1: you don't do you don't get to be by yourself
Speaker 1: very much, you really don't. And he looked like he
Speaker 1: was enjoyed sitting there with the sauce on the omelet.
Speaker 1: And just when I walked up to talk to me,
Speaker 1: he was like looking at me, like, what are you
Speaker 1: gonna ask me? You know, when I just knew better
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask. I'm not gonna ask, but he but
Speaker 1: he just looked very at peace with himself and they'll
Speaker 1: all catch their breath and get back on that horse
Speaker 1: here coming up in jew He's like, I got you,
Speaker 1: Connor Williams, just leave me a lot. Yeah. I was
Speaker 1: happy about happy about Mike White. I told him, Hey,
Speaker 1: way to go, Mike White. He goes, Yeah. We liked
Speaker 1: him a lot, We really really did. So we'll see. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I love it. Last year was the Michigan Draft.
Speaker 1: You know, they drafted those teammates out of Michigan, and
Speaker 1: then this year it seems like it's gonna be the
Speaker 1: Boise State one because said Wilson gets to join his
Speaker 1: guy vander esh Lve is what we're calling him on
Speaker 1: certain things we gotta work on. That's wrong with that
Speaker 1: l That's what they called him all throughout college. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it doesn't roll off the tongue now. No guy said
Speaker 1: it last night, right, Yeah, he asked us a question.
Speaker 1: He called him lv Oh. I haven't been calling him
Speaker 1: like a nickname. Now he called that, but I understand
Speaker 1: exactly who he was asking about. Yeah, we need something, Vandy. Nah,
Speaker 1: let's let's pronounce the initials like will. Let's like let
Speaker 1: things kind of a little. We'll figure something LV. It
Speaker 1: doesn't have a ring. We got a long plane flight
Speaker 1: coming up. We'll figure out something about it when you
Speaker 1: get off that plane. I expect something from you guys.
Speaker 1: And we're looking at, you know, kind of the youth
Speaker 1: movement of our team, and I think Nick had pulled
Speaker 1: together kind of a list of just from March first
Speaker 1: to May first, the ten ten year Cowboys we have
Speaker 1: on this team still and you know Olph sitting right there.
Speaker 1: But it really did change. And Sean Lee now is
Speaker 1: going to find himself in that makeshift Witten role. I
Speaker 1: mean he already was essentially, but huh, well, if we
Speaker 1: got breaking news here, didn't Mickey just say it's a deal.
Speaker 1: He shouldn't refuse. I said that. I said, if it
Speaker 1: was me, I would go take the money night football job.
Speaker 1: But that's me. If Witton decides to hang up the cleats,
Speaker 1: Sean Lee will essentially be the main main main Dak.
Speaker 1: Yeah voice that means da will need to step up.
Speaker 1: Now this is about you know, this is a Byron Jones.
Speaker 1: This is important year for Dak. You know, in a
Speaker 1: lot of ways. I think that now it's there's are
Speaker 1: certain voices that are long longer, and you can say
Speaker 1: what you want about me Scandrick getting getting along at all,
Speaker 1: but Scandrick was a voice in that room, you know,
Speaker 1: and Amazon all or nothing. Yeah, and you know, so
Speaker 1: that that means if he's a voice and that's gone.
Speaker 1: And Witten one moment did yeah in three game losing
Speaker 1: stream and he looked at the camera after he said it,
Speaker 1: like I know you're filming me there, Yeah, come on, yeah,
Speaker 1: Like hey, but if you did see I don't know
Speaker 1: how many people have seen it. You know, Witten holds
Speaker 1: a quick meeting with the captains at the start of
Speaker 1: you know, right after it was announced, and it's like,
Speaker 1: what guy's going to do that? I hope it's Dak Yeah. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: Travis Frederick could be a guy too that could be
Speaker 1: very very vocal, made a vocal guy on defense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: other than Sean Lee in case he's not Crawford DeMarcus Lawrence.
Speaker 1: Well if he if he wants to assume that role,
Speaker 1: I mean, he has the kid. He may be more
Speaker 1: of an example, but everybody else're still trying to prove themselves. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you have to be so vocal.
Speaker 1: If that's not, you just follow my lead, follow what
Speaker 1: I do out there, you know, And I think I
Speaker 1: think lawrences are in that type of leadership. That's the
Speaker 1: Damn Bailey rule. Yeah, that's the damn Bailey rule. Same thing.
Speaker 1: They didn't draft a kicker bring anyone in yet. So
Speaker 1: see this you about leadership role, How about Jalen Smith?
Speaker 1: Does that mean that? Does that make if he's if
Speaker 1: he's playing at a high level, yes, I mean he's,
Speaker 1: but people look at him as a guy who's overcomes
Speaker 1: so much to be where he writes. Yeah, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, I think you have respect. You mentioned
Speaker 1: about Griffin. I think Griffin's gonna go to Seattle as
Speaker 1: brothers there in aw But I think people can respect
Speaker 1: the story. I think they're gonna respect the player that
Speaker 1: what he's overcome. I think Jaalen Smith could be that
Speaker 1: type of guy. I think Jalen Smith could be we
Speaker 1: always see a smile on his face kind of guy,
Speaker 1: but maybe a guy that has some leadership qualities to him,
Speaker 1: kind of bring people together. Well, I just think it's
Speaker 1: got to be somebody that it knows how to interact
Speaker 1: with the players and not be so caught up with
Speaker 1: taking care of yourself right. And there's so many guys
Speaker 1: on that defense that are just like, Okay, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to win a starting job here. Tyrone has been one
Speaker 1: of those guys for a while now. Um, I think
Speaker 1: Lawrence is kind of go back to him. I think
Speaker 1: he's kind of moving. He showed guys a lot. I
Speaker 1: think he earned a lot of respect playing through that
Speaker 1: back injury a couple of years ago. So that's another
Speaker 1: one for me. But although there's the way this roster's
Speaker 1: turned over, there's not many guys that remember him doing that. No,
Speaker 1: a lot of young dvs on this team think about it.
Speaker 1: That was like what four years three years ago? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's there's it's turned It's gonna be a different locker room. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure, it's gonna be a different. But I I
Speaker 1: look at I look at guys like Sean Lee. I
Speaker 1: think Sean Lee is a lae. We don't see Sean Lee.
Speaker 1: We see the emotion and all about the passion. I
Speaker 1: think you'll see that with his teammates and locker rooms
Speaker 1: and stuff. But I think it really is going to
Speaker 1: come on Dak Prescott. I think Dak Prescott needs to
Speaker 1: figure out maybe he needs to do some things that
Speaker 1: maybe to be opposite. And you guys might not agree
Speaker 1: with me on this, but needs to be opposite a
Speaker 1: little bit of what Tony Romo did in his career.
Speaker 1: And I mean this in a way of Tony I
Speaker 1: think had respect, but I don't know if he had
Speaker 1: everybody's attention. And I think Dak needs to take a
Speaker 1: page out of take an opposite approach and try and
Speaker 1: you know, and I think about John kittena and this
Speaker 1: is gonna sound crazy. I think about John Kitten in
Speaker 1: the way that John Kitten. Everybody loved John Kitten in
Speaker 1: that locker room. The guys who played dominoes played dominoes
Speaker 1: with him, The guys that went to the Bible study
Speaker 1: went to Bible study with him. He was one of
Speaker 1: those guys as a quarterback, even as a backup, that
Speaker 1: just brought everybody together. And I think Dak Prescott needs
Speaker 1: to figure out how to be I think Tony became
Speaker 1: a little more removed the further he went along, the
Speaker 1: more removed. It's like he became over here where you know,
Speaker 1: they needed somebody that was centrally located in the middle
Speaker 1: of all that, and I feel like Dak doesn't need
Speaker 1: to make that mistake. Don't remove yourself, try and find
Speaker 1: a way to immerse yourself and what everybody's trying to do.
Speaker 1: The players that want to play dominoes, the players that
Speaker 1: want to go to Bible study, the players that want
Speaker 1: to do everything, the players that want to play laundry basketball. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I think you're right. I think Tony drifted and he
Speaker 1: tried to come back late in the game. It was
Speaker 1: a little problem because early, yeah, he had that role.
Speaker 1: Sure they were rallying around him right right, and then
Speaker 1: he got some of that just getting older, you have kids, kids,
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