WEBVTT - Selects: The Baffling Case of the Body On Somerton Beach 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:03.320 M Hey, everybody, it's me Josh, and for this week's 0:00:03.320 --> 0:00:06.880 Select I chose our two thousand seventeen episode about the 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:10.639 Man on Somerton Beach, one of the most interesting unsolved 0:00:10.640 --> 0:00:15.480 mysteries we've ever encountered. Despite lead after lead, it remains 0:00:15.560 --> 0:00:19.439 unsolved today and seemingly will remain that way forever. And 0:00:19.480 --> 0:00:21.520 after listening to this one, if you liked it a lot, 0:00:21.760 --> 0:00:24.079 you can go further down the rabbit hole. There's plenty 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:26.560 more stuff on it all over the web, and there 0:00:26.560 --> 0:00:29.639 have even been some updates since we recorded. So prepared 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:38.760 to be baffled and engrossed. Welcome to Stuff you should know, 0:00:39.120 --> 0:00:47.879 a production of I Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:51.159 the podcast. I'm Josh Clark with Charles W. Chuck Bryant, 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:54.040 and today is a very special day. We have a 0:00:54.040 --> 0:00:58.240 special guest producer, Matt been a while. It has been 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:02.360 a while, man, it's been since like two fourteen or something. Yeah, 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:04.320 and Matt is one half of the stuff they don't 0:01:04.319 --> 0:01:07.080 want you to know. Oh yeah, that's right. There's three 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:11.040 of them, and we are sort of awkwardly recording two 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:14.520 of the same shows they've done. So Matt's just sitting 0:01:14.560 --> 0:01:17.119 there with his arms crossed, shaking his head back and forth. 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:20.040 So we're trying not to look at him. Are you doing? 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:23.360 I'm good except for Matt looking at us like that. 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:26.360 What do you do for the eclipse? I looked at 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:30.840 the eclipse unwisely? Um from where from my house? I 0:01:31.640 --> 0:01:34.760 didn't I didn't see a full the full schmo. I 0:01:35.160 --> 0:01:37.959 figured you guys would be exactly the type to drive 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:41.480 two hours to see it. No you did, though, huh, yeah, 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:43.920 how was it? Well? I don't want to be one 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:49.280 of those dudes. But the difference between in full eclipse 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:52.240 is all the difference in the world. I saw it put. 0:01:52.280 --> 0:01:53.720 I can't remember who put it, but they said that 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:57.120 the difference between seeing a partial eclipse and a full 0:01:57.160 --> 0:02:00.560 eclipse is the difference between kissing a person and marrying 0:02:00.560 --> 0:02:03.760 a person. Oh well, that's from the legendary eclipse article 0:02:03.800 --> 0:02:09.640 from The Atlantic from okay, who wrote it? Oh man? Um? 0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:12.240 I even like sent myself the link to read it 0:02:12.280 --> 0:02:15.680 today and I haven't read it. It's probably Tina Turner, 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:19.720 the height of her career was It was written by 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:22.679 Annie Dillard. Okay, it's called total Eclipse, and I haven't 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:25.800 ready yet. But it's supposed to be just remarkable, and 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:29.040 that's exactly how she put it, and it was I 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:30.960 think so. So that would have been a year before 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:34.040 Bonnie Tyler came out with Totally Eclips of the Heart. Yeah, 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:38.560 it was two. Yeah. I cried, and like five other 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:42.960 people with this cried like spontaneously. Tears were coming out 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:45.240 of my face and I was like, what is happening 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:48.760 to my body? Did you? I mean, what have you concluded? 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:51.520 I don't know, man, it was just overwhelming. That's neat 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:54.799 to stare at the corona and we're going like too 0:02:55.440 --> 0:02:58.320 probably Texas for the next one. Like I'm going to 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:03.160 every path of totality that I can get to between 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:04.519 now and the time that I died here in the 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:11.240 clip side. Now I'm a totalitat, totalitist to tattlest Yeah, 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:13.760 and it was we almost didn't go, like literally that 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:15.840 morning we were debating and I was like, it's two 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:17.320 hours away, let's just get in the car and go. 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:22.560 That's very cool. Um. And my daughter saw it, which 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:24.800 was weird for her, like she knew something was up 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:28.800 even at two years old. Yeah, the Sun's cane black, Yeah, 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:31.720 and stars came out and crickets chirped, and it was 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:35.280 just really strange. Yeah, uh yeah, it was very quick 0:03:35.280 --> 0:03:37.440 two minutes. But I think the one in two thousand 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:40.520 seven is going to have a four and a half 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:48.400 minute totality. When is it two seven years from now? Okay, 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:51.720 and that's that great. Maybe we'll drive to Texas too, Well, 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:54.080 i'll drive together. Well, if you won't drive two hours, 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:57.160 where are you gonna go to Texas? Oh hey, if 0:03:57.200 --> 0:03:59.040 I ever have a good reason to go to Texas, 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:01.720 I'll take it. Well, it's Texas. And then I mean 0:04:01.760 --> 0:04:04.200 we may go to Akron because that's where Emily's from. 0:04:04.200 --> 0:04:08.080 It goes through Akron, the kind of over to Maine 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:11.480 on that you guys should just follow it in your van. Well, 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:14.200 you know, I wondered, what how fast? Of course you 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:15.960 can't do this, but how fast would you have to 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:18.479 travel the speed of the moon? Stay in the path 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:20.919 of totality the speed of the moon, which is what 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:24.080 like a hundred million miles an hour or something like that. 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:26.359 I don't know. Listen to our Moon episode. It's my 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:29.960 new drug totality. That's neat man. Yeah, I'm glad that 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:35.080 happened to you. Happened on me got all get all 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:39.599 over me. Uh, how okay, you want to talk about 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:42.960 this the eclipse. No, you know what's funny is that 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:46.240 we didn't do it podcasts on eclipses. No, I thought 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:49.080 about that. We never have, I know, And it's just 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:51.560 just like us, Moon goes in front of sun, moon 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:54.520 goes away from Sune, it goes up, it goes there. 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:58.400 Uh yeah, that's just figures. I'm sure we'll end up 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:00.960 talking about like we'll do an epis so don't unlike 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:04.560 the effective an eclipse on plants first, and then you know, 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:08.720 some other tangentially related episode, and then maybe after that 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:12.080 we'll do how eclips work. Maybe if we're still around 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:14.880 in seven years there you go. How about that's a 0:05:14.920 --> 0:05:17.120 good idea. And I jinks just before by saying we 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:20.000 won't be around, which is an opposite jinks I was 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:22.520 gonna say, is that a jinx? Yeah, that's to ensure 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:27.839 that we will be around. Smart, thank you. So we're 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:32.839 talking today, Chuck about a pretty unusual mystery. Are you 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:35.120 familiar with this one before? Yeah? We I think we 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:38.280 covered this in an Internet roundup or something. Oh yeah, yeah, 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:41.200 I mean we definitely talked about it. But I scoured 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:44.640 our archives and I didn't find an official show, So 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:46.440 I wonder where it came up, because yeah, I mean 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:50.960 we've talked about it for sure, um, and then it 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:53.359 was a lot of times you would do one of 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:57.160 your best things you've read this week, we would then 0:05:57.200 --> 0:05:59.960 do an internet roundup piece on that. Okay, that's probably 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:01.479 where it came up. Then, did you're like, this is 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:04.680 so good it should be seen by dozens of people exactly? 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:08.280 I want to share it with the twenty Um. Yeah, 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:11.839 I probably guess the article that I did the best 0:06:11.880 --> 0:06:14.240 stuff we've read this week on would have been the 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:18.000 Body on Somerton Beach I think is what it was called. 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:22.240 Is the Smithsonian article from years and years it was? Um, 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:24.560 so yeah, there's been plenty of good articles about it. 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:27.640 That one, uh is a good one. There's one from 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:34.360 California Sunday magazine called the Lost Man. Yeah, just some 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:37.120 good stuff out there. If this floats your boat, it does. 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:39.720 But let us set let us set the theme for you, okay, 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:44.400 because this story takes place in Adelaide, in uh, South Australia, 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:47.560 which is not just a place, it's a state as well. 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:49.640 Did you know that? Yeah, I wonder what they call 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:53.359 how they pronounced Adelaide there probably not like I just 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:57.560 said it, um, but in Adelaide, South Australia, Adelaides the capital. 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:00.640 Uh it's a from what I understand, And we haven't 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:03.440 been there yet, but we probably will maybe next year. 0:07:04.839 --> 0:07:07.280 I'm not going to Adelaide though, I don't know. It 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:10.280 sounds kind of neat and creep a little weird, right, 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:13.680 but weird in some weird ways. So um Adelaide is 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:16.720 this This place is kind of known as the murder 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:20.880 murder capital of Australia, but it doesn't have necessarily like 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:25.640 the highest homicide rate in Australia. It just has a 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:30.760 history of kind of weird, gruesome, grizzly murders. Yeah. I 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:34.080 think if you've had more than two or three like 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:40.480 dismemberment type murders, that you're on the map, and they 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:44.040 definitely have. There was there was a very famous case 0:07:44.520 --> 0:07:49.440 in the sixties of the um the Beaumont children who 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:52.520 went missing off of a beach called Glenn L Beach. 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:55.760 I think that's probably how you say it um, which 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:59.000 is near Adelaide, and uh, we're never heard from again, 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:02.040 no trace was ever found. We should do an episode 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:07.840 on that one too. Um there was the family yeah, 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:10.960 uh so dubbed by the cops in the seventies and eighties. 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:15.480 This one's really freaky. These were supposedly just like regular 0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:22.240 professional men, presumed men who had a sort of cabal 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:26.920 of torture and murder of young boys, basically like season 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:31.240 one of True Detective, but in real life in Australia, 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:36.960 with a well with an equally weird ending. Right, yeah, 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:40.600 the sky just opens up. It's a total eclipse. Uh. 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:44.440 And that one again unsolved, right, Uh, it was never 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:47.280 it was I think one person was convicted, but the 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:53.280 people that he implicated were never charged or convicted. What 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:55.520 about the bodies in the barrel thing? That's all you 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:58.680 need to say. Okay, there's a string of group of 0:08:58.760 --> 0:09:02.480 murders called the bodies in the barrels murders. Right, it's 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:06.600 a lot of pluralization, it is. Uh. And then, um, 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:09.160 so the idea that the one we're talking about, which 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:12.720 is the death of just one man, a non violent 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:17.439 death possibly um who was found on a beach almost 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:21.920 seventy years ago. For that to still have Australia and 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:25.600 like the world in its grips today, it must be 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:29.280 a pretty interesting case, agreed, And it is. Yeah, so 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:32.120 I guess we should go back in time, getting the 0:09:32.160 --> 0:09:38.439 old Way back machine and travel south to Adelaide post 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:48.640 war Adelaide. Look how beautiful it is here. It's hot. 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:54.199 I smell shrimp cooking on the barbie, um drinking a Foster's. Yeah, 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:56.760 it's like a fifty five gallon drum of foster and 0:09:56.840 --> 0:09:59.680 lots of other Australian tropes are happening all around me. 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:05.440 There's a crocodile dundeees over there. Why there? When we 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:08.199 tour there, they're going to really get because like after 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:11.520 the show, the first show, you can run us out 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:14.320 of town. They find New Zealand wants us. Yeah. New 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:18.679 Zealand say, yeah, come on over here. Uh so Adelaide 0:10:18.840 --> 0:10:23.240 is um, Well, it's an interesting place post war Um. 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:25.960 Apparently there was. It was kind of a place where 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:28.480 you could go to sort of real if you want 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:31.360 to disappear and rewrite your life. That wasn't a bad 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:34.840 place to do it. Um. There was a lot of 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:38.079 black marketeering going on. Apparently it was really hard to 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:40.800 get your hands on a car. Um. So there's like 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:44.320 a big black market for cars of all of all 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:50.240 stolen nous, all levels of stolenness. Um. Yeah, there's there's 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:53.200 just a certain amount of post war scarcity that was 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:55.800 still going on, and there's a lot of espionage going 0:10:55.840 --> 0:10:58.600 on to right. So the Cold War had just started 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:02.560 in Australia was in this weird position where there were 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:05.680 a lot of Soviet spies running around, there were a 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:08.920 lot of Brits and American spies running around, and the 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:12.480 British themselves were conducting secret rocket tests in the country. 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:15.200 So there was um, there was a lot of espionage, 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:17.760 a lot of black marketing um, and a lot of 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:21.400 people who were not who they claimed to be floating 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:24.960 around this country, running around and floating right. So that 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:28.920 brings us to a very important date for the story. 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:34.160 Tuesday November, about seven in the evening. There was a 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:37.680 jeweler named John Lyons and his wife. They were taking 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:40.480 a little stroll there on Somerton Beach, which I'm sure 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:44.600 as lovely um, and they saw something we were They 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:49.280 were walking towards glenn Elk so I guess they're connected beaches, yeah, yeah, 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:52.600 And they saw something interesting on the sea wall there. 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:56.640 They saw a man lying in the sand, but very 0:11:56.720 --> 0:11:59.360 well dressed in a suit kind of propped up on 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:01.160 the sea wall there as if he were sort of 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:07.040 sitting up about sixty ft away. In America, that's twenty yards. 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:11.320 In Australia it is a certain amount of meters about 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:14.959 twenty Okay, really is that what works? Man? It's pretty 0:12:14.960 --> 0:12:19.960 close to the yard in the meter are very similar. Um, 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:24.360 and he he was doing something interesting, so they say, uh, 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:26.880 he extended his right arm upward and then just let 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:28.800 it fall back down to the ground. And they thought 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:32.360 that looks like a passed out drunk guy, or maybe 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:34.760 a barely wake drunk guy, maybe trying to have a 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:38.200 cigarette or they I mean, it was remarkable and that 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:40.199 they made a mental note of it, but they just 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:43.880 kept walking and whatever. I think his suit being on 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:45.880 the beach was probably one of the big deals. Yeah, 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:48.520 he was very sharply dressed, not just wearing a suit 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:50.960 on the beach like the studio was wearing. Was pretty nice, 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:54.720 pretty nice. Um In About a half hour later, another 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:58.120 couple walked past, and this this time the guy wasn't 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:02.320 moving at all. Um and apparently he had a whole 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:05.800 swarm of mosquitoes around his face, and the boyfriend says 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:08.880 to the girlfriend that guy must be dead to the world. 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:12.120 If he's not noticing those mosquitoes, he must just be 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:15.920 absolutely wasted, so that they were clearly closer, I guess. 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:18.040 So I think it's seen mosquitoes on his face, Yeah, 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:20.640 for sure, because from twenty yards it's a tough thing 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:23.480 to see. I don't know, for a straining mosquitoes are 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:29.720 all right. So the next morning, um became pretty clear 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:32.400 what was going on here, that this was a dead man. 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:35.000 The same jeweler John Lyons. He went for a little 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:38.080 morning swim, as you were to do in Australian the 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:42.240 mornings when you're hungover, and he saw a bunch of 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:45.760 people crowded around where the guy was and it was 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:48.800 it was on. It was as a dead dude. Yeah, 0:13:49.160 --> 0:13:51.319 the dude was in basically the same position he'd seen 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:54.440 him in the night before. That that crowd was like, 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:59.640 he's dead, croy key and uh yeah, so Lions is 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:02.640 like that was pretty surprising and that's the end of 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:07.000 John Lyons. Yeah, but very important here, and that they 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:10.480 are the only people who supposedly saw this body move right, 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:14.680 super important. So, um, within about a few hours, the 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:18.320 body is in the morgue at the hospital and as 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:22.960 being examined, and just from the initial examination there was 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:27.960 a lot of um, just weirdness that immediately came out. Right. 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:32.760 So remember the guys like sitting up against the sea wall. Um, 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:36.120 his legs are extended out, his feet are crossed. There 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:38.760 was a cigarette, depending on who you ask, either a 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:43.000 half burned cigarette, either dangling from his mouth or on 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:45.120 the collar of his shirt as if it had fallen 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:50.560 from his mouth. Um. And when he was taken into 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:53.360 the morgue that the doctor said that he was probably 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:58.360 dead by two am. Yeah, and most likely when they 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:01.120 did the full autopsy, a man named On Dwyer said 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:05.640 he was probably poisoned initially, even though there were no 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:07.960 traces of poison, which is a little odd, right, But 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:09.920 the reason he said that is because when they cracked 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:12.960 the guy opened this, this this John Doe, who's widely 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:17.800 become known as the Somerton Man. Um, his organs were 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:21.320 all kinds of messed up. He had blood and his 0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:25.080 stomach along with his final meal, which was a pasty. 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:30.840 It's like a pocket Yeah, delicious hot pocket hand tie. Yeah. 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:37.280 Um that sounds dirty hand pie. Yeah. Um, there's his 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:41.640 spleen was enlarged and engorged with blood. Yeah, that's not 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:45.840 a good sign and firm. His liver was giant and bloody, 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:51.520 not unusual for Australians that fifty five gallon Joma Foster. 0:15:52.120 --> 0:15:56.520 His pupils were smaller than normal and just quote unusual 0:15:56.640 --> 0:16:00.160 whatever that means. Right, uh. And then they say that 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:02.680 he had a little spittle on the side of his 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:06.880 mouth that you know, like, you know, I thought that 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:10.080 was a pretty tacky thing to note. Yeah, just leave 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:12.480 the guy alone. He's dead, like sleepy drool is what 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:14.480 I thought. If I'm pretty, if I'm so pretty that 0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:16.560 I just have a little bit of spittle coming down 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:19.320 my mouth when I'm dead, I'll be more than happy. 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:22.040 Oh you mean, if you if that's the only thing. Yeah, 0:16:22.200 --> 0:16:25.800 I agreed. I mean, come on, give the guy a break. Well, 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:30.240 you know, they were doing forensics. Yeah, so, and indeed 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:33.440 they did, and they kept saying like this gotta be poisoning, 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:36.040 like his organs are all kinds of messed up, but 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:39.080 there was no trace of poisoning. They brought in this 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:43.800 guy named Cedric Stanton Hicks, the hand PI and there, Yeah, 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:46.800 nothing's wrong, right. They gave it to Eugene and he 0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:50.360 was still standing afterwards. Yeah, so it's all good. Um. 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:53.920 So Sir Cedric Stanton Hicks comes in and says, well, 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:57.560 let me let me see this, and he um concluded 0:16:57.600 --> 0:17:01.320 that it was probably one of two poisons that would 0:17:01.360 --> 0:17:04.800 have done this kind of damage resulted in heart failure. 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:08.040 We didn't say that, so they concluded he probably died 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:11.800 from his heart failure. Ultimately, Um, but that wouldn't have 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:15.520 left a trace. And he did not feel like it 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:18.280 was a responsible move on his part to say these 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:22.000 things out loud on the record during the coroner's inquest. 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:26.480 So he wrote them down and the car was like, okay, 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:28.600 all right, picked him up and read and what he 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:34.040 read was Digitalis and Struugh Phantom and Sir Cedric said, 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:37.359 he said it, I didn't write. He goes, oh gosh, 0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:39.560 did I say that out loud? That sounds like something 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:42.560 that you've seen the movie, just you know, added for 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:45.520 the drama. But apparently it really am right. So he 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:47.400 read those names. I don't know if you read those names, 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:51.159 but at least those names were recorded onto the record. Uh. 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:58.080 Sir Cedric Stanton Hicks suspected the strophanthem although later investigators 0:17:58.520 --> 0:18:00.399 I feel sure it was probably the digit tell us. 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:02.960 It sounds like it doesn't matter which one it was 0:18:02.960 --> 0:18:05.960 because they were both kind of used and I think 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:10.360 are maybe still used the treat heart disease. Is that true? Yeah, Um, 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:12.840 and then you can get them with the prescription from 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:15.240 a pharmacy. I don't know if they're still used. Maybe 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:18.080 they are, but they definitely were common at the time 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:23.720 or obtainable in in just about every major city. Um. 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:26.320 So they have an idea of maybe what poison it was. 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:30.159 But again it bears pointing out again and again that 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:34.520 they no one has ever found any direct evidence that 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:37.520 the man was poisoned. And to this day, two thousand, 0:18:37.600 --> 0:18:42.520 seventeen and beyond, if you're listening to this years from now, um, 0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:46.240 they still don't know how he died. Yeah, and you 0:18:47.080 --> 0:18:49.080 they may still be looking because this is one of 0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:51.600 those like the dB Cooper when we did. That's one 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:55.280 of those cases where amateur sluice on the Internet are 0:18:55.400 --> 0:18:57.959 still trying to figure stuff like this out. And unless 0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:03.399 we come up with some really amazing technologies in the 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:07.439 next ten twenty years or something like that, the time 0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:09.960 is passing quite quickly on this case and D. B. 0:19:10.119 --> 0:19:13.200 Cooper as well, where we may never know may remain 0:19:13.240 --> 0:19:17.800 a mystery forever unless we invent time travel. Then somebody 0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:20.639 will go back and figure those out. So the dude, 0:19:21.720 --> 0:19:23.720 it looks a little bit like Harvey Kitel, he asked me. 0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:26.199 He does, And you think so? I mean, look up 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:27.760 a picture of this guy. If you're not in your car, 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:30.600 you can look him up. There are two very famous 0:19:30.600 --> 0:19:34.600 photos I guess from the autopsy scene. Um, just straight 0:19:34.600 --> 0:19:36.479 onto his face and then sort of you know, from 0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:39.520 the side with his eyes open. Yeah, it looks like 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:43.720 Harvey Kitell. It looks like a wasted Harvey Kitel, which 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:47.760 is to say, he looks like Harvey Kitel. Um, so 0:19:47.800 --> 0:19:50.000 he's in about his mid forties. Yeah, I guess a 0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:54.200 younger Harvey Keitel. Yeah. Uh, he's wearing this double breasted suit. Um. 0:19:54.240 --> 0:19:55.840 I saw that he was wearing a nit pull over 0:19:56.520 --> 0:20:01.040 with a necktie. Who And this sounds like we're being 0:20:01.200 --> 0:20:05.480 um two specific by saying the stripes slanted from left 0:20:05.520 --> 0:20:07.840 to right. But we're not. We're not. That will come 0:20:07.880 --> 0:20:11.720 into play. Well, just hang onto that nugget. Yeah, put 0:20:11.760 --> 0:20:14.080 that one in your pipe for later. He had no hat, 0:20:14.160 --> 0:20:16.760 which was weird for that time. Oh, I hadn't ran 0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:19.040 across that, but yeah, I've never seen that there was 0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:21.000 a hat. Yeah, and they never found a hat, but 0:20:21.040 --> 0:20:23.840 it would be unusual for a man of late forties 0:20:23.840 --> 0:20:25.600 to not have a hat. Yeah, I guess so. For 0:20:25.720 --> 0:20:28.600 doors were huge. I'll bet Panama hats were huge down 0:20:28.640 --> 0:20:31.000 in Adelaide at the time. For doors in Australia were 0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:37.600 literally huge. It's like the sombreros made of tortillas melted 0:20:37.680 --> 0:20:41.399 cheese in the middle man. Is that a thing? It 0:20:41.560 --> 0:20:46.159 was on the Simpsons too. Hat. Uh. What else? He 0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:49.639 had weird feet, yeah, wedge shaped feet, they said, and 0:20:49.680 --> 0:20:52.560 that his his shoes seemed to be molded almost to 0:20:52.720 --> 0:20:58.359 his feet. The real weird giveaway was his calves. His 0:20:58.520 --> 0:21:04.280 calves were remarkable. They were bulbous below the just below 0:21:04.359 --> 0:21:08.960 the knee. And the guy who who performed the autopsy, 0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:12.480 I think it was Dwyer, said, Uh, this is like 0:21:12.520 --> 0:21:15.800 what dancers or people who wear high heels, just the 0:21:15.920 --> 0:21:17.960 kind of calves that they have. He said, look at that, 0:21:18.000 --> 0:21:20.879 he looks like Lena Horn the Oh my gosh, it 0:21:20.960 --> 0:21:26.240 is hon Uh. Yeah, so that that's definitely notable. Um 0:21:29.480 --> 0:21:31.600 uh The other thing they found out too was um. 0:21:31.640 --> 0:21:34.880 A couple of physical traits that he had which will 0:21:34.920 --> 0:21:38.520 come into play later on his ear. His simba, which 0:21:38.560 --> 0:21:44.840 is the upper hollow portion of the ear hollow caved in. Yeah, 0:21:45.200 --> 0:21:48.199 the rolled over part up here, No, like just the 0:21:48.320 --> 0:21:53.719 upper you know hole than the lower part. Yeah, we've 0:21:53.760 --> 0:21:57.040 ever done show on ears, have we? We should? The 0:21:57.080 --> 0:22:00.520 simba is larger than the cave um, which is a 0:22:00.680 --> 0:22:03.760 fairly rare thing. So I would guess the cabum is 0:22:03.760 --> 0:22:06.320 where your eardrum leads to your ear drum. Yeah, that's 0:22:06.320 --> 0:22:08.440 where you put your finger when you want to write. 0:22:08.880 --> 0:22:10.600 But if you go, if you put your finger up 0:22:10.680 --> 0:22:14.840 over that ridge does not. That's the simba. Yeah, so yeah, 0:22:14.920 --> 0:22:16.800 that would be weird if this one was bigger than 0:22:16.840 --> 0:22:19.920 that one. Yeah. It's a pretty rare genetic trait, as 0:22:19.960 --> 0:22:24.240 were his strange teeth. Yeah, he had something called hypodontia, 0:22:24.720 --> 0:22:28.600 which is he was missing his lateral incisors, which are 0:22:28.680 --> 0:22:31.520 the teeth that most people have between their front teeth 0:22:31.840 --> 0:22:36.080 and their canines. His lateral incisers never developed, so his 0:22:36.200 --> 0:22:41.240 canines were adjacent to his front teeth. Yeah, and it's um. 0:22:41.320 --> 0:22:44.280 Would you say hypodontia. That that can be as common 0:22:44.320 --> 0:22:47.199 as like you never get your wisdom teeth, but in 0:22:47.240 --> 0:22:51.320 this case those particular teeth, that was pretty rare. Something like, well, 0:22:51.359 --> 0:22:55.199 I saw hypodontia in in so that would include not 0:22:55.280 --> 0:22:58.960 getting wisdom teeth. Huh, well, in any teeth, not developing 0:22:58.960 --> 0:23:02.000 his hypodone I got. Well, I don't know if hypodonta 0:23:02.040 --> 0:23:08.000 in general or just this type of hypodonta of the population. Yeah, 0:23:08.000 --> 0:23:10.800 it's specifically for those teeth. Was pretty rare. Yeah, two, 0:23:10.840 --> 0:23:14.280 pretty rare. Like everyone's got those teeth, and people at 0:23:14.320 --> 0:23:17.760 home are like, why are you saying all these weird stuff? 0:23:17.800 --> 0:23:21.399 Who cares to just settle down? Everybody settle down because 0:23:21.400 --> 0:23:23.440 it's all going to come into play. We haven't said 0:23:23.480 --> 0:23:26.720 anything that will not come back into play. Al Right, 0:23:26.720 --> 0:23:28.920 should we take a break? I think we should. Everybody's 0:23:28.920 --> 0:23:31.040 getting all riled up. Let's take a break, and then 0:23:31.040 --> 0:23:35.040 we're going to detail, uh, for about fifteen minutes what 0:23:35.080 --> 0:24:04.480 was in his pockets? Okay, chuck, So we went over 0:24:04.520 --> 0:24:07.960