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Speaker 1: Select I chose our two thousand seventeen episode about the

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Speaker 1: Man on Somerton Beach, one of the most interesting unsolved

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Speaker 1: mysteries we've ever encountered. Despite lead after lead, it remains

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Speaker 1: unsolved today and seemingly will remain that way forever. And

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Speaker 1: after listening to this one, if you liked it a lot,

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Speaker 1: you can go further down the rabbit hole. There's plenty

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Speaker 1: more stuff on it all over the web, and there

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Speaker 1: have even been some updates since we recorded. So prepared

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Speaker 1: to be baffled and engrossed. Welcome to Stuff you should know,

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Speaker 1: a production of I Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Josh Clark with Charles W. Chuck Bryant,

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Speaker 1: and today is a very special day. We have a

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Speaker 1: special guest producer, Matt been a while. It has been

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Speaker 1: a while, man, it's been since like two fourteen or something. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and Matt is one half of the stuff they don't

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Speaker 1: want you to know. Oh yeah, that's right. There's three

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Speaker 1: there with his arms crossed, shaking his head back and forth.

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Speaker 1: So we're trying not to look at him. Are you doing?

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Speaker 1: I'm good except for Matt looking at us like that.

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Speaker 1: What do you do for the eclipse? I looked at

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Speaker 1: the eclipse unwisely? Um from where from my house? I

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Speaker 1: how was it? Well? I don't want to be one

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Speaker 1: of those dudes. But the difference between in full eclipse

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Speaker 1: I can't remember who put it, but they said that

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Speaker 1: eclipse is the difference between kissing a person and marrying

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Speaker 1: a person. Oh well, that's from the legendary eclipse article

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Speaker 1: from The Atlantic from okay, who wrote it? Oh man? Um?

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Speaker 1: I even like sent myself the link to read it

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Speaker 1: Annie Dillard. Okay, it's called total Eclipse, and I haven't

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Speaker 1: that's exactly how she put it, and it was I

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Speaker 1: Bonnie Tyler came out with Totally Eclips of the Heart. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was two. Yeah. I cried, and like five other

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Speaker 1: people with this cried like spontaneously. Tears were coming out

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Speaker 1: of my face and I was like, what is happening

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Speaker 1: I don't know, man, it was just overwhelming. That's neat

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Speaker 1: and it was we almost didn't go, like literally that

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Speaker 1: That's very cool. Um. And my daughter saw it, which

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Speaker 1: and that's that great. Maybe we'll drive to Texas too, Well,

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Speaker 1: in seven years there you go. How about that's a

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Speaker 1: Army Club pack, but inside with something called conceitas which

424
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 1: was a much more expensive brand. So that makes no sense, Like,

425
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 1: that's the opposite of the only thing that could make sense,

426
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 1: which is he just kept the expensive pack and would

427
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 1: put cheap cigarettes in it to look fancy, right, unless

428
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,880
Speaker 1: he didn't want people bumming the expensive ones off of him,

429
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:52,880
Speaker 1: so he kept a cheap pack or right, The likelier

430
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 1: story is that he bombed some a bunch of cigarettes

431
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 1: off of somebody and put them in his his own pack,

432
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: al right, Like, hey man, he got a smoke or

433
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 1: seven or seven interesting or perhaps they were poisoned and

434
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,880
Speaker 1: put in that pack. That's another possible explanation to write.

435
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,479
Speaker 1: So um his his that was like the extent of

436
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: his personal effects, aside from his clothing. Right, there was

437
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 1: no idea he had a couple of combs, okay hair combs.

438
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 1: More to the point, there was no idea, no idea,

439
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:29,640
Speaker 1: no no wallet, no cash. Kind of odd for sure,

440
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,239
Speaker 1: and his clothes were odd in and of themselves. Right.

441
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 1: So again, he was wearing a very nice suit. But

442
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 1: the um makers labels of all of his clothes have

443
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: been from what I understand, carefully snipped away. Yeah, I

444
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 1: saw one explanation for this that made it seem a

445
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 1: little less odd um, which was back then. Apparently people

446
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 1: oftentimes would because there were nice clothes, were not scarce,

447
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 1: but he wanted to keep them for yourself, so you

448
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 1: would write your name a lot of times on your

449
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: like suit jackets and things, and then if you ever

450
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: went to sell them second hand, you would flip out

451
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:13,199
Speaker 1: those labels. So that's one explanation that's not bad. I

452
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: don't know if that's a reach or not, but at

453
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: least something could make sense out of that. But the

454
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 1: other thing could mean that this person was being dumped

455
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: and no one wanted them to know who they were.

456
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 1: It's a possibility to or that he didn't want anyone

457
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: to know who he was. That's another possibility as well.

458
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 1: That's what a lot of people think, that he was

459
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 1: trying to cover up his own identity as well. Um,

460
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: his his trousers I think had a little repair done

461
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:46,439
Speaker 1: with orange thread bear with us um, and then that

462
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: was about it. They they they took fingerprints of the

463
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 1: guy and spread around to no avail. But the fingerprints, right,

464
00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 1: they they've figured out after a little a while. I'm

465
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 1: not sure when, but this would have been so November

466
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 1: December one is when he was found. This is to

467
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: this is like July to us in the northern Hemisphere,

468
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 1: the beginning of July. So starting to get hot down there, right,

469
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: You can only keep a body for so long in

470
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: the nineteen forties in summer in Adelaide, it's already a

471
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: hot place to begin with. And um, the authorities were like,

472
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,159
Speaker 1: we we can't keep this guy above ground any longer.

473
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 1: So somebody had the bright idea of making a plaster

474
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: bust of him, and they did, and they kept it

475
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 1: at the Morgan and they buried him in a pretty

476
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: smart way if you ask me. Yeah, they buried him,

477
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: uh with this marker. Here lies the unknown man who

478
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,239
Speaker 1: was found at Somerton Beach first December, and he was

479
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: buried just in really dry ground so if they ever

480
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: needed to get in there they could. And they encased

481
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: him in concrete as well to realize, like, keep him

482
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: preserved as much as possible if you ever needed to

483
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: be exhumed, right correct. So, um, like I said, they

484
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: took the set of fingerprints and they're still looking for

485
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: this guy. They buried him finally, but they're like, this

486
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: is driving us insane. Who was this man? What happened?

487
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: To him. Um. So they spread the fingerprints all over Australia.

488
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: They started to send him around to America, the UK,

489
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: it just English speaking countries. Yeah. They also, uh like

490
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: kind of before they got rid of the real body,

491
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: they brought people in locals to see if anyone could

492
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: identify them. I think afterward they probably showed quite a

493
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: few people the bust and they were just trying to

494
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: do anything and nobody, nobody could recognize who this person was. No.

495
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: I mean some people saw like pictures of the bust

496
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: or the death pictures that are famous now in the newspaper,

497
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: and we're like, oh, that kind of looks like uncle Ted.

498
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: And then they go in and see him and be

499
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: like it's not uncle Ted. Um. And so this this

500
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: the fact that this is becoming a weird unsolved mystery already,

501
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: like just quickly after the case started to capture the

502
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: nation's attention a little bit, and the police, the the

503
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:14,959
Speaker 1: the South Australia State Police were not shy about publicizing

504
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: stuff as needed, Like as they developed breaks in the case,

505
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: they would tell the newspapers about it, and the newspapers

506
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: would tell the rest of the country. So it became

507
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: a pretty big sensation in Australia so much so that

508
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: a lot of people are just basically take it for

509
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: granted that the man was not Australian. That were he Australian,

510
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: some more several people would have come forward because the

511
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: case had that much exposure nationally. Yeah, and I am

512
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: just guessing here, but I imagine in this part of

513
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: Australia probably wasn't there weren't like millions of people living there.

514
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: I don't know how small of the town it was,

515
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: but I don't think it was like some huge city,

516
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: was it. Well, yeah, Adelaide's the capital of South Australia,

517
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: but is it How was there was like at least

518
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: five people there? And I'm going to say, at the minimum,

519
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: someone's going to write in and tell us so all right,

520
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be mad that we didn't know. No,

521
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: Australians are nice about things usually, Yeah they are, aren't they?

522
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: They're the Canadians of the South. So they decided the

523
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: cops decide very smartly. Um, you know what, We're gonna

524
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: widen this investigation. We're going to see if anywhere in

525
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: town someone has found something there, any possessions that this

526
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: guy might have left behind. Since he was just found

527
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: with what was in his pockets, surely there's something, and

528
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: in fact there was. They discovered there was a suitcase,

529
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: brown suitcase in a cloak room that was left there

530
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: on November, which was the night before the morning that

531
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,239
Speaker 1: he was found the first time he was seen on

532
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: the beach. It was no lead, it was and because

533
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: he had that ticket that showed he had taken a

534
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: bus from the Adelaide rail station, that was one of

535
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: the first places detectives went. Uh, and they found this suitcase, um,

536
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: that had been left there, like you said, on November. Inside, Um,

537
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: there was some stuff that linked it to the guy. Yeah,

538
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: I mean it was full of stuff. Um. It was

539
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: clearly someone who was traveling a lot. There were lots

540
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: of clothes, shirts and scarves and underwear and pajamas and handkerchiefs.

541
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: There were two pairs of scissors, one broken pair, one

542
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: in a sheath, Um, like a shave kit, screwdriver, Um,

543
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: lots of just normal travel things, razor, razor strap, all

544
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: the junk you would expect that multiple pairs of scissors

545
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: is a little weird. Thread but the thread was the

546
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: big one, orange thread. Yeah, barber not Australian brand barber

547
00:32:54,720 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: thread which perfectly matched where his trousers were stitch. So

548
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: it's got to be him, right, that's the thing that

549
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: really links him with the suitcase. Um. There was also

550
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: some stencils for stenciling cargo. Yeah, that was a little weird,

551
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: very weird. Um. And there was a suit jacket that

552
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: had a what's called a feather stitch. Um, while stitching

553
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: is the lightest stitch, right, And they're like, we don't

554
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: do this in Australia. We don't even have the sewing

555
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: machine that can do this in Australia. Yet A taylor said,

556
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: this is an American coat, Yeah, with their feathers. Well,

557
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: he's a Hamms stitch right. Uh. And then inside some

558
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: of these clothes, uh was the name keen? Because I

559
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: told you people wrote on their clothes A lot said

560
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: T keen, T dot keen, K E N E or

561
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: k A N. And the best cops could figure is

562
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: they someone did that to to sniff everyone off the case,

563
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: right because they've around and there was no t Keen

564
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: or any Keen that they couldn't put their their fingers on.

565
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: Who's missing? Um? And the tie years later, like the

566
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: cops at the time didn't know this. I wonder if

567
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: they noticed that it was slanting one way or another,

568
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: but the they probably just knew it looked weird for

569
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,399
Speaker 1: some reason. They couldn't put their finger on. But at

570
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: the time in Australia, the U the ties slanted left

571
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: or right, and this guy's tie slanted right to left,

572
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: and that was the style in America. It's like everything's opposite.

573
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: Didn't this so weird? Summer's winter and winter summer flush

574
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 1: the toilet? It was in a different direction. I think

575
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 1: that's an urban legend. No, I think that's true, right, No,

576
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: I did a something on it. Really, Yeah, I think

577
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: it's an urban legend. It's really has to do with um,

578
00:34:54,120 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: the uh, the shape of the drain. What in That's

579
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: what I was so looking forward to pooping in Australia.

580
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: You can still do it. Well, you probably should. Actually,

581
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: while we're there, I'm going to, but I'm not. The

582
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: joy is is dead. Well, just don't watch it flush. Yeah,

583
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: but you might be better off actually in this way,

584
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: I've just been used to my poop turning into such

585
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: a direction my whole life. I was really ready for

586
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: something new, all right, I'm sorry, so the tie is opposite.

587
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: They said, this is an American tie, like you said. Uh.

588
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: And then they brought in um and actually we should

589
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: say those were internet sleuths, like within the last ten

590
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: fifteen years who figured that one out. Yeah, all right,

591
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: good for you Internet. Uh. Finally, in April, police brought

592
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: in a dude, an expert pathologist named John Cleveland, and

593
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,760
Speaker 1: this was a big deal. Apparently the cops in South

594
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:02,240
Speaker 1: Australia were not as thorough as you would think because

595
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: they didn't even check his little pocket watch pocket, a

596
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: little pocket inside your pocket, because there was a really

597
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: key piece of evidence rolled up in there. Yeah, this

598
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: one broke the case wide open. It seemed like it would.

599
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: There was a little scrap of paper rolled up very

600
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: tightly in this pocket and written on it in some

601
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 1: pretty fancy type setting were the words TAMUM showed T

602
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: A M A M S h U D. And the

603
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: cops said, what was this first orange thread? Not some

604
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: weirdo words rolled up in this guy's pocket? What is this?

605
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: And John Cleveland said, you dopes, it's called a lead.

606
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: You didn't check his pocket? In his pocket? He said no,

607
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 1: So they would figure out in a little while. By

608
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 1: a stroke of luck, it seems that um tamum showed

609
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 1: means it is finished where it is done, or in

610
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: this case, the end in Persian. It sounds very h

611
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: random and out of left field that anybody would know this,

612
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 1: But a reporter working the police beat there said named

613
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: Frank Kennedy, said, no, that I know what that's from.

614
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: That's from a twelveth century book of Persian poetry of

615
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:25,439
Speaker 1: Omar Kayyam. And that just sounds so out of left field.

616
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: But in fact, that book had been translated by an

617
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 1: English poet named Edward Fitzgerald, and it was kind of

618
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: a big deal once it was translated into English. So

619
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: it wasn't like just so the word of looking for

620
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: obscure that nobody would know what it was. No, it

621
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: was extremely popular in the in the West after that,

622
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: I think even in America, like there's a Peanuts comic

623
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: strip that makes reference to it. Even it was a

624
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: big It was one of those things where like people

625
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: might not know about it, but there are plenty people

626
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: out there who did. And one of the reporters recognized there, right,

627
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 1: So they realized then that they needed to find the

628
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,879
Speaker 1: copy of the Rubiat that this came from, and they

629
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 1: started looking and looking and looking, and they couldn't find it.

630
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,439
Speaker 1: So the state police did what they had been doing

631
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 1: all along. They went to the newspapers and they said, hey,

632
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,280
Speaker 1: we found this weird scrap of paper. It says tamam shoot.

633
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: We're told that it comes from the Rubyat and specifically

634
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: it's the last words of the Rubiat right with the

635
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: last words of the last poem, right um and go

636
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: go to it. Media and the media went wild and

637
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: let everybody know. And it turns out so this is

638
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:42,280
Speaker 1: April when they found the Um the scrap of paper,

639
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: and in July they got another break based on finding

640
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: that scrap. A guy came forward and said, you know what,

641
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: I found this copy of the Rubyat in the backseat

642
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: of my car, which had been parked by sohmer Tion

643
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: Beach around the time the man who was found on

644
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: sommer To Beach was found. And I have no idea

645
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: whose it is. It's just been I put it in

646
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 1: my glove compartment. It's been sitting there until I read

647
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: this article in the newspaper. Yeah. Presumably his windows rolled

648
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: down or his car was unlocked, and whoever ripped this

649
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: thing out because they did find out that part was

650
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 1: ripped out from his book, just tossed it in the

651
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 1: back seat this guy's car, Right, not very smart if

652
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 1: you're trying to cover your tracks. No, but maybe you're

653
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: not trying to cover your tracks, right. So they now

654
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: have the copy of the Ruby Yacht that the scrap

655
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 1: of paper that came that was found in the sohmer

656
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: to man's trousers came from, yeah, which by all accounts

657
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: is a one of a kind printing, right, Yeah, like

658
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: a one off, yes, and not an addition of hundreds,

659
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: like a single printing of this one book, right, but

660
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 1: supposedly as part of an addition. I can't remember which

661
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 1: edition it was by this printer, but for years people

662
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 1: have been trying to track down a copy from that

663
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: edition and they can find it. Well, somebody finally found one.

664
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: They're like, this is not the exact same book that

665
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: the cops found with the Somerton manor associated with Somerton Man,

666
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: which is a very odd thing, totally. Um, So in

667
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: this book they get another huge break. This breaks the

668
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: case open even further, right, They're like, surely we're going

669
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: to figure it out now, Yeah, this was huge. They

670
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 1: found uh two local phone numbers. One was a bank

671
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 1: phone number which didn't lead to much of anything, and

672
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 1: another one X three to three nine uh, belong to Well,

673
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 1: they found a couple of things. They found the stumber

674
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: that belonged to a woman, a nurse named Jessica Thompson,

675
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: who will talk about in a minute. And then they

676
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: also found, um, you know how we did our We

677
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: did our episode on spies, and one of the things

678
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: sometimes spies would do would have these throwaway pads that

679
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: they would literally write things on and you could make

680
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: an impression such that, you know, it's like the kid's

681
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 1: trick where you rip that page off and you have

682
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: what looks like a blank page that's the impression of

683
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,439
Speaker 1: what was written above it. And in this little kids

684
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 1: will use a pencil, let's see what it says. But

685
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: in this case he used a UV light to see

686
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: what by all accounts is a five line code. And

687
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: the code is pretty odd. Yeah, I mean I think

688
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 1: we should read it. It It will sound like gibberish. But

689
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,399
Speaker 1: if you're into code breaking, you probably already know about

690
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 1: this one. But if not, here we go all capital letters.

691
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: Line one is w R G o A B A

692
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 1: b D. Second line m l I A O I

693
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: that was scratched out. Interestingly, third line W T b

694
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: I M P A n E t P, fourth line

695
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: M l I A again that's repeated B O A

696
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 1: I A q C, and finally I T T M

697
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 1: T S A M S T G A B go

698
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: break it, right the eagle has landed at midnight, which

699
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: they basically said, go break it, and no one could know. Um. Yeah,

700
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: a lot of amateur code breakers because again they went

701
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: to the media like you're saying, um, go break it,

702
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: and a lot of code breakers tried and failed, and

703
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: then um they contacted the Australian Naval Intelligence Service and

704
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: they tried and failed, and either the Naval Intelligence Service

705
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:28,439
Speaker 1: or later UM sleuths concluded that it was for there's

706
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: too little information to ever break it, that you didn't

707
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: have a key that you needed to have, um. And

708
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: then it may have been as simple as the first

709
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: letter of a list that he was trying to remember, right,

710
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: because apparently they bear of a resemblance frequency wise the

711
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: first letters of common words in the English language. So

712
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: it's possible that like it's it's a to do list,

713
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: that the guy was just trying to remember, you know,

714
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: by these groceries, go see this person at this time,

715
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,720
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. It is a lot of letters,

716
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: and a lot of people say, no, this is obviously

717
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: this spy codebook. Don't be naive. So the the cops

718
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: they there's the code breaking thing that they're doing. Then

719
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: simultaneously they're like, well, maybe we should call this local

720
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: phone number, and they did, and on the other end

721
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: a woman picked up and uh, it turned out like

722
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 1: you said to be Jessica Thompson, and you want to

723
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: take another breaks. We're going to take a break and

724
00:43:34,560 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 1: we'll get to Jessica Thompson right after this. Yeh, we

725
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,240
Speaker 1: should say, coming back from break. We just got compliments

726
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: from Matt. This is like praise from Caesar on something

727
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: like this. Look what happened to Caesar though. Yeah, on

728
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: your birthday. Matt said, you guys really doing a great job.

729
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: And Josh said, you didn't tell us that. Go back

730
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 1: to sleep, all right, So we promised talk of Jessica Thompson.

731
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: This is a really good lead. They called her up.

732
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: She answered the phone. It's a good first step in

733
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 1: my movie version. Atly she answered the phone and went Uh,

734
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: she's a nurse. She was married, she had a kid

735
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: named Robin Thompson. Robin a boy though, right, Uh. And

736
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: her maiden name was Harkness. Um. And this has kept

737
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: private for a lot of years. Her name was she

738
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: asked him to keep it a secret. And I read

739
00:44:56,200 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 1: a bunch of accounts, most of which said that, you know, know,

740
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: she may have had a few boyfriends here and there affairs. Um.

741
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 1: The paternity of Robin Thompson was called into question more

742
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 1: than once. So um. I think that the general idea

743
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: was that she was probably just trying to keep this

744
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 1: quiet too, so she, you know, in the nineteen forties,

745
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 1: wouldn't be outed as a trollop, right, And the cops said, sure,

746
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: no problem. And actually, to this day, the state police

747
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:31,280
Speaker 1: have never publicly identified Jessica Thompson as the mystery woman

748
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: whose phone number was written in the Somerton Man's copy

749
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 1: of the Rubiyat. But in two thousand and thirteen, her

750
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: family came forward and publicly identified her. And even though

751
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: the police haven't confirmed it, it's been known for so

752
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:49,320
Speaker 1: many years that that was probably who it was. That again,

753
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: it's basically taken for granted as a fact. Of the

754
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: case that she is that woman. Yeah, her nickname was

755
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: Justin j E. S t y N. That's how she

756
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: inscribed copies. So this Ruby Yacht, um, well, and I

757
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 1: guess that sort of gives away what happens next. Yeah.

758
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: The cops are like, okay, okay, we've gone through a

759
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: lot to get to you. Lady. Have you given a

760
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:18,399
Speaker 1: copy of this twelfth century book of Persian poetry called

761
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: The Ruby Yacht to anybody? And she goes, yes, I have.

762
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: And the cops are like, yes, we're about to figure

763
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: it out. And they said who who have you given

764
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 1: it to? And she said a bloke named Alfred Boxall.

765
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 1: They said, okay, we'll call you back, and they hung

766
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 1: up and ran around looking for Alfred Boxall. Well, yeah,

767
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 1: they probably figured, you know, that's Harvey Kitell uh. And

768
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: they were unfairly to Albert Alfred Boxall disappointed when they

769
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: found he was alive and well in New South Wales.

770
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 1: And he said, yeah, I got the book right here.

771
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 1: She h. She gave them to all her lovers. Uh.

772
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 1: There was speculation that perhaps, you know, she gave it

773
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 1: to him over drinks one night, that he perhaps had

774
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 1: been one of her lovers. Yeah, oh yeah, and I

775
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 1: think it's probably absolutely correct because she had inscribed it,

776
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: like I said, with justin and that's how the cops

777
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: referred to here on their case files. Uh. So they went,

778
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 1: you're alive, great, and he said, yeah, but I've got

779
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: the book like not all was lost and it was intact.

780
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: That's correct. So they said, oh, you gotta be kidding me.

781
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: This lead the lead of all leads. I was gonna

782
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,879
Speaker 1: break this case wide open. It it's a dead end,

783
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: are you? Are you kidding me? And one of the

784
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: officers developed a permanent scarf from banging his head slowly

785
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: against the wall. Right. He couldn't be stopped, couldn't be consoled.

786
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:46,720
Speaker 1: And so they said, okay, a lady, your phone number

787
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:50,879
Speaker 1: was in this thing, so we want you to come

788
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: down to the Morrigan. Just take a look at this

789
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: bust we made of the dead guy and um and

790
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,760
Speaker 1: they said, also, is there anything else, anything weird happened

791
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 1: to you and like the last year or so, And

792
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: she said, well, the only thing I can think of

793
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: is that my neighbors said to me once when I

794
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: came home one day that and some man they didn't

795
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: know it, called on my house and uh, that was it.

796
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: That's the literally the weirdest thing that's happened to me.

797
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,760
Speaker 1: Knocked on her door that she didn't know, her neighbors

798
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 1: didn't know. It happens to me like three times a week. Um.

799
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: So as they bring her in to look at this bus,

800
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: Detective Sergeant Liona Lean and uh, he was one of

801
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: the two leads that was not an Australian accent. No,

802
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: and um, I don't know what kind of backs and

803
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 1: it was. It was mid Atlantic, but I was not

804
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: trying to do Australian. Uh. And he said that quote

805
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,439
Speaker 1: she was completely taken aback to the point of giving

806
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: the appearance she was about to faint end quote like

807
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: she knows who this dude is. She's a nurse, first

808
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 1: of all. She was even looking at a body, but

809
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: she's a nurse, so she wouldn't be freaked out by

810
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: any of this. No, and again it wasn't even a body.

811
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: It was a plaster bush, right. But she's like, and

812
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: they go did you know him? And she goes, no, no,

813
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 1: I didn't cut some heartburn, and uh, I have nothing

814
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 1: more to say about this, so don't ever ask me,

815
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: and she clammed up. Not weird at all. No, not

816
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: at all. So immediately the cops are like, you know

817
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: way more than you're letting on. But apparently they didn't,

818
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: you know, beat up people that they had in custody

819
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: to get information out of them. So they let her

820
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: go and just said, oh, well, I guess we'll never

821
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: know the answer to this mystery. Yeah, there's a retired

822
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: detective named Gary felt Us. Is it Gary? I thought

823
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: Jerry G E R R Y Probably Jerry. Yeah, I'm

824
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: you've convinced me that's funny. We we just crossed over

825
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 1: to one another side again. Uh. So he took up

826
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: this case later in life, and um, he actually interviewed

827
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: her in two thousand seven. He said she was evasive

828
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 1: under questioning and like this lady knew something. Yeah, and

829
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 1: again this guy him, he's a hobbyist, amateur sleuth on

830
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:07,240
Speaker 1: this case. I love those guys. But he had forty

831
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: years experience as a detective in Adelaide, so he knows

832
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: questioning people. Have you seen the Netflix documentary series The Keepers? No,

833
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,879
Speaker 1: I haven't even heard of it. It is about a

834
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 1: cold case murder of a nun um in the nineteen

835
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: if these no nineteen sixties, I think, and uh, they're

836
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: there are these amateur detectives that have been working on

837
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 1: this all these years, these two women in particular that

838
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: were students of this nun at school that are just amazing,

839
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: and like, is this really get an appreciation for these

840
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: people who like become obsessed with the solving these cases

841
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: that aren't even like family members or anything, you know,

842
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: Is it a like jama or documentary ten part documentary series?

843
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 1: Is wow? I gotta see that. Oh dude, It's one

844
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: of the most upsetting things I've ever had to sit through.

845
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: And that's all I'm gonna say. I've been waiting for

846
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:06,280
Speaker 1: this since I finished making um Making of a Murderer. Yeah,

847
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 1: it's better, I think. I like that, but what what

848
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 1: very disturbing stuff. Wow, I gotta go. You gotta leave it.

849
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: So it hats off to you amateur sluice out there

850
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 1: for for getting in the way of real police. No,

851
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: for for doing work that real police. These are cold

852
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: cases that, yeah, they're hard pressed to get information anymore

853
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:33,320
Speaker 1: in most cases, It's true. So I was just kidding

854
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: sniffing people off the case after the cops say right,

855
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 1: And I was kind of mad not to get too

856
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: derailed by this that these cold cases just sort of

857
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: stay um cold. But then you think, like there's you know,

858
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 1: you can't just concentrate on a forty year old murder case,

859
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: and there's so many current things you've got to be

860
00:51:55,480 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: looking into. Plus it's hard, really, it's UM. All right.

861
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 1: So back to Thompson evasive underquestioning UM later on her son, Robert,

862
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 1: I'm sorry Robin, like we said earlier, Uh, he started

863
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: looking into it, got really interested in in trying to

864
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: figure this thing out. Oh he did, he did. I

865
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,399
Speaker 1: didn't know that. And he turned out to be a

866
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 1: professional dancer, yes, with the calves of Lena Horn and

867
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: the Australian Ballet right and hypodonta in exactly the same

868
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 1: way that the Somerton Man had. And he had the

869
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 1: same ears. Yeah. So a lot of people again there's

870
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 1: something that hasn't improven, but most people take as conclusive

871
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: fact that Robin Thompson, son of Jessica Thompson, who didn't

872
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: know the Somerton Man, was the son of the Somerton Man. Yeah.

873
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:57,240
Speaker 1: What I saw was between the ear and the teeth. Um.

874
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,240
Speaker 1: They put odds for both of those things at about

875
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 1: it's quite a range between one and ten million and

876
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: one and twenty million. Okay, but let's just say it's

877
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,280
Speaker 1: one in ten million. That's say it's one in a trillion.

878
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 1: At that point, it's the same thing basically, So eventually

879
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: another was it the same amateur sleuth? Not Jerry Derek

880
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 1: Abbott is a different sleuth. There are rivals. It's hilarious.

881
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 1: They hate each other. Um. He got involved and said,

882
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna get Robin in here for

883
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 1: a DNA test. Um, Robin's a hymn, but it says

884
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 1: here her is it him? Right? No? Uh, Robin's daughter

885
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 1: was the one who took the DNA test. Bobbin is

886
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: long dead. Gotcha? Got you? Okay? Oh no, I think

887
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: I had it backwards, and I don't think he got

888
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 1: involved in trying to figure it out because he's dead. Okay,

889
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 1: That's why I was like, I was kind of surprised,

890
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 1: but gotcha. So he got her daughter to take a

891
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 1: DNA test and then trace back the paternal lineage, which

892
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 1: would have been um possibly the Somerton man, who by

893
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 1: all accounts seemed like he was American, Yeah, which would

894
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 1: have explained the tie. Um. Perhaps the thread. Yeah, and

895
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,400
Speaker 1: what else the fact that no one in Australia could

896
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:20,839
Speaker 1: identify him or was willing to identify him. Um, so

897
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:24,879
Speaker 1: the the only thing left then after that is okay, well,

898
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: somebody just dig up the Somerton man like he buried

899
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 1: him in such a way so we could do this. Well,

900
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 1: it turns out in Australia, from what I saw, there

901
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 1: are two reasons that a judge will let you exhume

902
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 1: a body. One is to contest a will. There's no

903
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 1: will or a state really in question here. And then

904
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 1: the other one is to identify a lost soldier, a

905
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: soldier lost at war. Other than that, you're gonna it's

906
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 1: it's an up. It's an uphill battle getting a body exhumed.

907
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 1: And two different times Derek Abbott, who actually um as

908
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:04,320
Speaker 1: an aside, married Robin Thompson's daughter who took the DNA

909
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 1: test At his behest um. He petitioned twice to have

910
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: Somerton Man exhumed, and twice he was turned down because

911
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 1: um obsessive curiosity was not a good enough reason to

912
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 1: dig up a body. So he swabbed the inside of

913
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: her cheek, and that was true love exactly. I gotta

914
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 1: get in there over candle light. Um gave her. He

915
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 1: gave her a hand pie. Oh my god. So here

916
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 1: are the theories. Um well, I'm gonna go ahead and

917
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 1: start with my favorite theory, which sort of is in

918
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 1: here but not really. Uh suicide. I think that perhaps,

919
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,839
Speaker 1: and I didn't invent this, but of the theories I've read,

920
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 1: I liked this one, I think that he um it

921
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:54,720
Speaker 1: was an American man who had an affair with Jenny

922
00:55:54,840 --> 00:56:02,760
Speaker 1: Nurse Thompson Justin and went there, traveled there, um found

923
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: out she was pregnant. Uh In, was rejected and went

924
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 1: down and killed himself by poison and was prepared to

925
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: do so, and the other things I've read said that

926
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 1: he could. You know, the things that don't add up

927
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 1: was like the body was found with no like vomit,

928
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 1: which a lot of times happened. If you are poisoned,

929
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: even if you're not, one of the last things you

930
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 1: do is your life is ending is throw up. Usually

931
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 1: oh really, yeah, Oh it's pretty common. No one ever

932
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 1: tells you that. Yeah, like the dinner party. You've never

933
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 1: been told that. No one ever tells you two things

934
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 1: in life that you poop when you have a baby,

935
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,359
Speaker 1: and you poop, and you throw up before you die,

936
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 1: and you poop when you die, too, poop when you die.

937
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 1: I think, so I guess that's why Elvis died on

938
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 1: the toilet. Yeah, very affianted to go out with some dignity.

939
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: Um so where was I? Oh? So he The thing

940
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 1: I read said that perhaps he went down to the shoreline,

941
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 1: drank the poison through that, you know, into the water,

942
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: and maybe like vomited and riched there and then kind

943
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 1: of went back up the beach and laid there to

944
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 1: die and and maybe had one less cigarette. Very possible.

945
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: So that's one. Another theory is that he died by poison,

946
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: but that it was murder. Sure. As this case is

947
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 1: being coming more and more publicized, the public came to

948
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 1: widely believed that he was a spy. And then as

949
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: more details of the case spread out more and more

950
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: over the decades um this this vision of aspyring emerged

951
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 1: with Jessica Thompson as this communist spy master who was

952
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 1: posing as a housewife, and Somerton Man was a spy

953
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 1: who worked for her or arrival spy, and Alfred box

954
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 1: All was a spy who worked for which would explain

955
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 1: why she gave both of them copies of the Rubiyat

956
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 1: and that actually the copies of the roof Biyat were

957
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 1: one time pads themselves, which we're actually the keys to

958
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 1: crack the code. Right. Unfortunately, the cops uh in adelaide

959
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 1: through the ruby At. That was the sommer to Man's

960
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 1: away in the fifties. Yeah, they got rid of the

961
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 1: suitcase in the eighties. He could maybe it was both.

962
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 1: Maybe he was a spy who loved her, could have been.

963
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 1: But the murder theory is that Alfred Boxhall murdered the man,

964
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 1: or she had him murder him and then they took

965
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 1: his body to the seaside. Alfred Boxhall was actually confronted

966
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 1: with that in the seventies on TV and he's like,

967
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 1: that's pretty ridiculous everybody. Some people are like, we know

968
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 1: you were in intelligence to World War Two. It turns

969
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 1: out he was like an army engineer or something like that.

970
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 1: He wasn't an intelligence and everyone said, that's just what

971
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 1: a murderer would say. That's ridiculous on TV, so they right. So,

972
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 1: the the idea that the sommer to Man's copy of

973
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 1: the Rubiat was basically a one of a kind. It

974
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 1: seems definitely lends credence to the idea that it's possible

975
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 1: he was a spy in that code for sure. Um,

976
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 1: so that's another big, strong possibility. Here's the thing I

977
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 1: saw too. In nine a third witness came forward share

978
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: never before revealed story that he was on the beach

979
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 1: in the wee hours of the morning and saw a

980
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 1: man carrying an unconscious man over shoulder towards that spot,

981
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 1: but was dark, could not identify anything, and nothing ever

982
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 1: came of that. Stuff like that, give me my money

983
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 1: for the movie, right, stuff like that. I think it

984
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 1: could be either it wasn't him or just you know,

985
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know how people are. They just

986
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 1: make something up to get on the news. And then

987
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: I thought the same thing with the hand raising up,

988
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 1: like maybe that didn't even happen, Well, yeah, that was

989
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 1: That's another thing. Like what I realized from researching this,

990
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 1: Chuck was that this this case has been so muddied

991
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 1: with conjecture and fall truths um that have just spread

992
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 1: across the internet that like, did the Lions ever recant

993
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 1: their version of seeing him move? If so, then then

994
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 1: maybe he was dead when he was taken out to

995
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 1: the beach. Who knows, like you really have to dive in.

996
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 1: But if you if you want to dive in, this mystery,

997
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 1: maybe even more than any others, is just uh, just

998
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 1: a just an enormously deep rabbit hole to get sucked into,

999
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 1: because I mean, even if they dug up so Merton Man,

1000
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 1: it's found conclusively that he was Robin Thompson's father, that

1001
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 1: still doesn't say who he actually was. It doesn't idea him.

1002
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: And it's just like how this mystery unfolded as the

1003
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 1: police were investigating it. You can, you can crack the

1004
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 1: case in one major way and it'll probably lead to

1005
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 1: a dead end. There's still always this tantalizing mystery that

1006
01:00:54,200 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 1: we may never know so Merton Man. Tamim showed, okay stuff,

1007
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 1: I just said something in person. If you want to

1008
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 1: know more about so Merton Man, you should go listen

1009
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 1: to the stuff they don't want you to know episode

1010
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 1: on it or sure or watch it. I'm not sure

1011
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 1: if it's video or audio maybe both, uh. And you

1012
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 1: can also check out The Lost Man on California Sunday

1013
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 1: Magazine and The Body on so Merton Beach on Smithsonian,

1014
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 1: among many many other great articles, and since I said many,

1015
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 1: it's time for listener mail. Uh, I'm gonna call this

1016
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 1: on accents and I gotta say, we got more email

1017
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 1: on stuttering and accents that I've seen in a long

1018
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 1: long time for real. Um, I don't know. I think

1019
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 1: a new Accents would be big. Stuttering really hit home

1020
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 1: with a lot of people, I think. And the well

1021
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 1: there's that there's a stuttering email too. It's either going

1022
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 1: to be on the next one or the one that

1023
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 1: was just released. Okay, I didn't know any her right,

1024
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 1: he may have heard it here. It's upcoming. Hey, guys,

1025
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 1: listen to Accents. And I wanted to hopefully set up

1026
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 1: I set the record straight with Chuck's help. My name

1027
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 1: is Chris and I'm from New Jersey. I have heard

1028
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 1: Chuck mentioned a few times. He lived in New Jersey

1029
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 1: for a bit. First off, where did you live? What

1030
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 1: brought you here? And why did you leave? Um? I

1031
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:23,560
Speaker 1: lived in Bernardsville next to Basking Ridge. Um, sort of

1032
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:25,480
Speaker 1: near Morristown is the biggest town that you might have

1033
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 1: heard of. Uh, what brought me there? I lived there

1034
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 1: after college because it was a free place to live

1035
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 1: because of a roommates parents who were out of the

1036
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 1: country in Australia. Actually, it's all coming together. They didn't

1037
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 1: want to sell their house, so they said, you guys

1038
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 1: are done with college. You want to live here for free,

1039
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 1: hang out New York. And why did I leave? I

1040
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 1: left because they came back. It'd be weird if I

1041
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:53,080
Speaker 1: was still living there. Uh. Anyway, he might be able

1042
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 1: to confirm my suspicions. People from New Jersey don't have

1043
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 1: an accent, but if they do, it's slight New York

1044
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 1: New York accent. At any um, now you definitely have accents.

1045
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 1: You're insane. In my opinion, many older adults have moved

1046
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:08,920
Speaker 1: from New York to New Jersey for the suburbs. Seeing

1047
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 1: many older people meet and talk about the street they

1048
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 1: grew up on in Brooklyn, or like I would like

1049
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 1: to make like it made clear that no one from

1050
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 1: New Jersey says New Joysey. That's true, if anything that

1051
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 1: is in New York accent, Chuck, can you confirm. I

1052
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 1: can confirm I never heard anyone say New Joysey, but

1053
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 1: I cannot confirm that there's no accent because I definitely

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Speaker 1: have an accent to New Jersey. Um. In fact, one

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Speaker 1: of the things that I noticed. There's not so much

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Speaker 1: an accent, but people in New Jersey would say button

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Speaker 1: instead of button or like you know, words that are

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Speaker 1: split in half like that, they would stop like a

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Speaker 1: hard stop button. You don't talking about very New Jersey.

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Speaker 1: And they call everyone kid. Yeah, I knew that a kid,

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Speaker 1: even if they're older than you. I didn't appreciate that anyway.

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Speaker 1: I hope Chuck agrees also, so uh, I hope he's

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Speaker 1: a fan of pork roll and not Taylor Ham. I'm

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Speaker 1: a fan of Taylor pork Roll. I love the accounts.

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Speaker 1: I thought that was the only pork Roll. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: the endless amount of entertainment. Be seeing you guys in

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Speaker 1: Brooklyn on the upcoming tour. So Chris Ortado from Highland Park,

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Speaker 1: New Jersey. Nice. I can't wait to see at the Bellhouse.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Chris. If you want to get in touchure with

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