WEBVTT - From the Vault: Mixologia

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your mind. My name

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<v Speaker 1>is Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick. And it's Saturday.

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<v Speaker 1>Time to go into the Vault. And apparently today the

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<v Speaker 1>Vault is operating a pop up bar. That's right with

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<v Speaker 1>the delicious cocktails for all. This was our This was

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<v Speaker 1>our cocktail episode where we talked about the nature of cocktails,

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<v Speaker 1>some of the chemistry of cocktails, and and some of

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<v Speaker 1>the very interesting cocktail ingredients and where they come from.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember in this one we got into some of

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<v Speaker 1>the weird history of absinthe. Yes we did, Robert, have

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<v Speaker 1>you have you had any absinthe cocktails since we did

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<v Speaker 1>this episode. I had some absence just last night, but

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<v Speaker 1>not really. Well. What I've taken to doing is I

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<v Speaker 1>really enjoy making tiky drinks and uh, in some cases

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<v Speaker 1>teaky drinks do actually call for absinthe, but other times

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<v Speaker 1>I find that a missing of absence. I have some

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<v Speaker 1>absence that I've put into a little spray bottle for

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<v Speaker 1>making a sasserac. Yeah, but it works with an number

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<v Speaker 1>of different cock I enjoy it with my Taie, for instance,

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<v Speaker 1>But just to miss the glass of little absence before

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<v Speaker 1>before you pour it in it, it's marvelous. I had

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<v Speaker 1>one of when I was in New Orleans this year.

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<v Speaker 1>One of I had one of the worst cocktails I've

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<v Speaker 1>ever had in my entire life. It was from one

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<v Speaker 1>of those bars in the French Quarter where you can

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<v Speaker 1>walk up and get it to to take away. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>now there's some very good bars that you can you

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<v Speaker 1>can walk up and take away. But saying there was

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<v Speaker 1>no inside, this was no, there wasn't inside. That's just

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<v Speaker 1>it looked like a cool bar. It had like old

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<v Speaker 1>wood fixtures and everything. Um. But yeah, I went up

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, okay, time to get an absinthe

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<v Speaker 1>frap a right, I got a prey to the green Ferry.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I I tried to get It was basically

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<v Speaker 1>just equal parts cheap absinthe and simple syrup, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was undrinkably disgusting. I had to throw it in the trash.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's a shame, but but yeah, I do want

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<v Speaker 1>to drive home that that New Orleans is a place

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<v Speaker 1>where you can walk into some very nice bars and

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<v Speaker 1>get a very nice cocktail to walk the streets with,

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<v Speaker 1>including beach Bumberri's latitude twenty nine, which is one of

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<v Speaker 1>my absolute favorite Tiki bars. Man with you it is

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<v Speaker 1>Tiki's all the Way Down. Well, I still enjoy a

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<v Speaker 1>nice Manhattan as well. Yeah. Well, hey, well we're we're

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<v Speaker 1>delaying too long. Let's get into this episode, which originally

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<v Speaker 1>published January twelve, two thousand seventeen. Welcome to Stuff to

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<v Speaker 1>Blow your Mind from how Stuff Works dot com. Hey you,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. My name is

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<v Speaker 1>Robert Lamb, and I'm Joe mccormickin today in the I

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<v Speaker 1>guess this will be the final installment of our totally

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<v Speaker 1>unplanned run of food Stuffs and drink Stuffs science podcasts. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we kind of had a post New Year's run of

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<v Speaker 1>foodie topics think with some exorcism there in the middle.

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<v Speaker 1>What did you you did green tea with Christian Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>we did. There there's a green tea and butter and

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<v Speaker 1>butter and now we're going to get into a little

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<v Speaker 1>mixology and and and we'll even come back to exorcism

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<v Speaker 1>at one point, believe it or not, No way, Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it comes up. It's important. When you're talking about cocktails,

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<v Speaker 1>you're inevitably going to talk about exercisse. Wait, is that

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<v Speaker 1>what they always meant by holy water. Um well wait

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<v Speaker 1>and initi'll see. But one of the important things we

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<v Speaker 1>want to get out at the top of this episode

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<v Speaker 1>is that, yes, in this episode we are going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about mixology. We're gonna talk about the history and

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<v Speaker 1>science and botany of mixed drinks that involve various alcoholic substances. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>But we do want to make clear that we know

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<v Speaker 1>we've got some younger listeners out there, and so you

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't take this podcast is an encouragement to go out

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<v Speaker 1>and try all the drinks we're gonna be talking about, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And we certainly have non drinkers out there as well. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>don't worry. This is not going to be a scandalous,

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<v Speaker 1>um out of control exploration of cocktails by any means.

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<v Speaker 1>And on our personal note, I want to add that

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<v Speaker 1>my wife and myself we are currently doing a dry January,

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<v Speaker 1>so we are only doing mock tails at the moment,

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<v Speaker 1>which is kind of ironic having just finished research on

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<v Speaker 1>this episode. Yeah, well you wanted to do it, I

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<v Speaker 1>think because you read a couple of books this month, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>two books in particular that I picked up over the holidays.

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<v Speaker 1>One is Amy Stewart's The Drunken Botanist The Plants that

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<v Speaker 1>create the World's Great Drinks. And this is a really

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<v Speaker 1>wonderful book, very flippable, kind of the kind of book

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<v Speaker 1>you can bring to a bar or a nice dinner

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<v Speaker 1>and look up the things you're ordering. It takes a

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<v Speaker 1>botanist approach to all of the ingredients, basically coming down

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<v Speaker 1>to the fact that just about anything, pretty much anything

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<v Speaker 1>in a drink except for maybe bacon. If you if

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<v Speaker 1>you go that route, it's going to have some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of botanical origin. Where because things come from bacon, has

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<v Speaker 1>a botanical origin. Well, in a sense, yes, if you

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<v Speaker 1>follow it back far enough, all of our drinks really

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<v Speaker 1>have a solar origin. Just true. True, you can say

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<v Speaker 1>that it's all a gift of the sun. I really

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<v Speaker 1>enjoyed the Sami Stewart book. I didn't have a chance

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<v Speaker 1>that you you lent it to me yesterday, and I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have a chance to read the whole thing yet,

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<v Speaker 1>but I just flipped through it, and as you say,

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<v Speaker 1>it is very flippable. You can just drop to any

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<v Speaker 1>page and there's something interesting on it. It's sort of

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<v Speaker 1>a mix between a science book and a recipe book,

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<v Speaker 1>and I like that, uh, and the other book that

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<v Speaker 1>you lent me, which I got through some of, and

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<v Speaker 1>I really really enjoyed the writing style of the second guys.

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<v Speaker 1>This book by David Wondrich, Yes he say his name, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>believe so imbibe. He has a couple of books out

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<v Speaker 1>related to mix streams. One is entirely about punches and

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<v Speaker 1>this one is really focused more in on on the

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<v Speaker 1>cocktail and it it has recipes in it as well,

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<v Speaker 1>but it is more about the history and culture, especially

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<v Speaker 1>the origins, the very American origins of the cocktail. And

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<v Speaker 1>along those lines, I believe you had a quote that

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<v Speaker 1>you wanted to read from David Wondrich's book, right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think this it's the tone fabulously for a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of what we're gonna talk about here, and just for

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<v Speaker 1>discussion of basically what a cocktail is. He writes, Anyone

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<v Speaker 1>who has spent any time pondering the origins of the cocktail,

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<v Speaker 1>be it for the months or years it takes to

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<v Speaker 1>write a book, or seconds it takes to internalize a

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<v Speaker 1>dry martini, will agree that it's a quintessentially American contraption.

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<v Speaker 1>How could it be anything? But it's quick, direct, and vigorous.

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<v Speaker 1>It's flashy and a little bit vulgar and induces an

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<v Speaker 1>unreflective overconfidence. It's democratic, forcing the finest liquors to rub

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<v Speaker 1>elbows with ingredients of far more humble stamp. It's profligate

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<v Speaker 1>with natural resources. Think of the electricity generated to make

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<v Speaker 1>ice that gets used for ten seconds and discarded in short,

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<v Speaker 1>it rocks. But the cocktail is American. It's American in

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<v Speaker 1>the same way as the hot dog, that is, the frankfurter,

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<v Speaker 1>the hamburger, the hamburger steak, and the ice cream cone

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<v Speaker 1>with its rolled good fret. As a nation, we have

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<v Speaker 1>a knack for taking underperforming elements of other people's cultures,

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<v Speaker 1>streamlining them, super charging them, and then letting them rip

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<v Speaker 1>from nobody to superstar with a trail of sparks and

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<v Speaker 1>a hell of a noise along the way. That's how

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<v Speaker 1>the cocktail did it, anyway. So yeah, that's uh. That's

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<v Speaker 1>from page two o nine in his book. Uh. It's

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<v Speaker 1>It's full of just weird historical details, colorful characters, and

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<v Speaker 1>more than a few classic cocktail recipes. So we'll keep

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<v Speaker 1>referring back to it, but I highly recommend picking it

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<v Speaker 1>up if you're a cocktail fan or an American history fan.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a great rate. Yeah, you mentioned historical characters. One

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<v Speaker 1>of the great colorful characters in this book is in

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<v Speaker 1>the section I was reading. I think he's a central

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<v Speaker 1>figure in the book is Jerry Thomas, legendary bartender who

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<v Speaker 1>operated bars all over the place in San Francisco during

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<v Speaker 1>the gold Rush boom and in New York. Who was

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<v Speaker 1>this crazy, flamboyant character, a man of what is it

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<v Speaker 1>called the sports sporting fraternity, yes, which I think generally

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<v Speaker 1>means no good lay abouts of the of the eighteen hundreds,

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<v Speaker 1>and who love to celebrate with these extravagant drinks that

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<v Speaker 1>he was very good at making. And he loved lavish clothes,

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<v Speaker 1>and he loved diamonds, and he loved big pieces of art.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's a great story where somebody interviews him for

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<v Speaker 1>a newspaper at some point and he's got a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of pet rats scampering along on his shoulders or something. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he seems to have had a wonderful sense of showmanship,

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<v Speaker 1>which is is ultimately such a huge part of of

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<v Speaker 1>cocktails and cocktail cultures, Like there's the there's this the

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<v Speaker 1>pure mixology of what's going on, and then there's the

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<v Speaker 1>flash of creating something, creating an experience and selling it

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<v Speaker 1>to the customer and maybe making a few things up

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<v Speaker 1>if he flourishes up to to to grease the sale. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the mixed up cocktail, the product of any real endeavor

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<v Speaker 1>of mixology is an event. It's not just something to

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<v Speaker 1>be consumed. It's something to be admired in many cases,

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<v Speaker 1>to watch the bartender making for you. Uh, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>process and and it's kind of a process in the

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<v Speaker 1>same way that I don't know, going to like one

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<v Speaker 1>of those Teppanyaki steakhouses is right, Yeah, we're setting it

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<v Speaker 1>a sushi bar for instance. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you get

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<v Speaker 1>to see the magic of the food come together. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>in a sense, it's like you know, like making cocktails

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<v Speaker 1>at your home or cooking at your home. There's this

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<v Speaker 1>there's this experience, this this process. You're following instructions, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>you're improvising a little bit, You're going through an experience

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<v Speaker 1>to get this thing. You're richer for the experience, and

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<v Speaker 1>that plays a part in your enjoyment of it. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>before we look at the science of some cocktails and

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<v Speaker 1>the and the alcohols, and then maybe we should look

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit at the history of the cocktail though,

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<v Speaker 1>what's what's the social relevance of this tradition of mixing

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<v Speaker 1>different alcoholic beverages together to produce a newer, better, higher

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<v Speaker 1>emergent form. Well, one of the core points that one

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<v Speaker 1>which makes is that the the origins of the cocktail

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<v Speaker 1>and cocktail culture a largely American. Now, certainly it's a

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<v Speaker 1>culture that we lost and we had to rediscover and

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<v Speaker 1>reclaim the realm of mixology from the tyranny of apple

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<v Speaker 1>teen ease and an unimaginable, unimaginable tryst with vodka. This

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<v Speaker 1>is a thing in the book I noticed. I I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't get to the part where he explains this, but

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<v Speaker 1>he makes some snide comments about vodka. Well, I think

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<v Speaker 1>his main deal, wonder which is that, you know, he's

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<v Speaker 1>very interested in the origins of cocktail culture in this

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<v Speaker 1>golden age of cocktail culture, and vodka really didn't, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>make it splash until until after that point. Now, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's not to say there aren't some wonderful vodka cocktails

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<v Speaker 1>out there, but is we were discussing before the podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>you said that you personally feel vodka's a little bit workhorse, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not. I mean I don't know of any of

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<v Speaker 1>my favorite cocktails that have vodka in them. It just

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<v Speaker 1>seems like it's something that you mix with something vaguely

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<v Speaker 1>sugary and it makes a drink that has alcohol in it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean maybe I don't know. You see James Bond

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<v Speaker 1>ordering vodka martinis, but I just look at that and

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<v Speaker 1>be like, why not just get a real martini? What's

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<v Speaker 1>wrong with you? Um? Well, another thing that came up

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<v Speaker 1>when we were preparing for the episode, going along with

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<v Speaker 1>your your point about the food culture and the preparation

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<v Speaker 1>culture and how that enriches the social experience of enjoying

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<v Speaker 1>the cocktail. I also personally feel experimenting with with mocktails

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<v Speaker 1>this month, as I am that a concoction without alcohol

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<v Speaker 1>in it can go down a bit fast, you can

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<v Speaker 1>be a little bit thirstier for it, whereas my in

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<v Speaker 1>my own experience, if it has a strong spirit in there,

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<v Speaker 1>it forces you to take smaller drinks and it sort

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<v Speaker 1>of draws out the experience of enjoying the beverage. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like the relaxation brought on by a cocktail might not

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<v Speaker 1>just be from the drug content, the alcohol content acting

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<v Speaker 1>upon your brain, but it's also from the process of drinking,

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<v Speaker 1>because you're you're forced to slow down and relax and

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<v Speaker 1>take your time for a moment. Yeah. Now, cocktail culture

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<v Speaker 1>is also something that some might argue that the Japanese

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<v Speaker 1>have elevated and perfected, as they've done with other Western properties,

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<v Speaker 1>but they not all still. But it was all still

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<v Speaker 1>one of America's first true art forms, at least culinarily

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<v Speaker 1>speak right now. To be sure, the American cocktail float

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<v Speaker 1>followed closely on the heels of a tradition of proper punches,

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<v Speaker 1>which one which is quick to remind us, So we're

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<v Speaker 1>more complex back in the day. Yeah, you can think

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<v Speaker 1>of the punches being like the big bowl of stuff

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<v Speaker 1>that somebody's drinking at a Christmas party in a Christmas

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<v Speaker 1>carol that that party that Scrooge won't go to their

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<v Speaker 1>having them punch. Sure, yeah, and it wasn't just sprite

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<v Speaker 1>and fruit juice and some booze it was. It was

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<v Speaker 1>more complex. I mean, the one which wrote an entire

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<v Speaker 1>book about it. Uh. He makes a distinction between between

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<v Speaker 1>today's punches and the greater punches. He calls them calls

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<v Speaker 1>them that were made quote long and strong. And so

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<v Speaker 1>this style of mixology rain from the sixteen seventies to

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<v Speaker 1>the eighteen fifties and then Temperance in the Temperance move

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<v Speaker 1>movement in Europe put the brakes on punch a bit,

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<v Speaker 1>as did the busy approach to life in the Americas.

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<v Speaker 1>So instead of going through the whole rigmarole of having

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<v Speaker 1>this giant punch bowl, with this this carefully balanced concoction

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<v Speaker 1>inside of it, punched by the glass became a thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and this was sort of a precursor to the cocktail. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that sort of makes sense. I mean punch punches for parties.

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<v Speaker 1>As I was saying, it's there to serve a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people in a limited time frame. Yeah, why would

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<v Speaker 1>you make make yourself a punch after work? Yeah? Or

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<v Speaker 1>you go into a bar, it's just you, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe you you don't have that much of a social

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<v Speaker 1>situation going on. You want to a glass of punch?

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<v Speaker 1>Why not? Why can it not be provided by the glass?

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<v Speaker 1>After this, you have what Wonderage calls the children of punch.

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<v Speaker 1>So you have collins Is, Daisies, pizzies, sours, cobblers, coolers,

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<v Speaker 1>the swizzle, uh, the egg drinks, the various egg drinks

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<v Speaker 1>where you have especially the white of the egg that's

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<v Speaker 1>been frothed up. And before the cocktail you had toddies

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<v Speaker 1>ings julips. So even though just trying to figure out

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<v Speaker 1>what a proper cocktail is that can be kind of

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<v Speaker 1>hard to nail it down, you'll find various historical tidbits

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<v Speaker 1>and descriptions that entail cocktail like concoctions. So, for instance,

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<v Speaker 1>Dickensian Londoners that drink what we're known as pearls, this

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<v Speaker 1>was hot ale hold on this pearl with a U,

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<v Speaker 1>not yes an oysters, not like an oyster pearl like

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<v Speaker 1>p U r l s, And this would have been

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<v Speaker 1>hot ale, gin, sugar, eggs and nutmeg. So very close.

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<v Speaker 1>Samuel Peeps recorded the drinking of a great many things,

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<v Speaker 1>including pearls as well as gin and vermouth, so as

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<v Speaker 1>as one Bridge points out, he was really close to

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<v Speaker 1>having invented Martinish. I do remember in the Diaries of

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<v Speaker 1>Samuel Peeps an episode in which he drinks far too

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<v Speaker 1>much alcohol and has to run outside and urinate in

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<v Speaker 1>an alley way somewhere, but I don't remember what he's drinking.

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<v Speaker 1>In this episode. I think it is beer though, Okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I might. I believe he was not opposed to just

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<v Speaker 1>straight up beer as well. I certainly think of beer

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<v Speaker 1>as the quintessential uh English drink. I should also point

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<v Speaker 1>out there are various stories about why we even call

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<v Speaker 1>it a cocktail. One story I ran across is that

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<v Speaker 1>it had to do it was a horse analogy. So,

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<v Speaker 1>if you have an old, older horse and you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>sell it off, you want to make it appear young

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<v Speaker 1>and spirited, so you might give it something to perk

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<v Speaker 1>it up, to cock its tail. No, yeah, well, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean I I don't know. I'm not I'm not up

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<v Speaker 1>in the details of how you would cock the tail.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying this is something intrusive. Well, no, I

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard stories of this. Well, the idea stories are

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<v Speaker 1>like rubbing ginger on its butt. Okay, stuff, Well, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess the idea here, then, is that the cocktail would

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<v Speaker 1>be the human equivalent of a little ginger on the butt,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, to to perk you up, to live in

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<v Speaker 1>your spirits and uh and make you a little more

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<v Speaker 1>presentable for a short period of time. Stuff to blow

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<v Speaker 1>your mind does not advocate putting ginger on or some spuds. No,

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<v Speaker 1>not at all. So by the nineteenth century standards, a

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<v Speaker 1>true cocktail had specific ingredients spirits or wine, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you'd sweeten it with sugar diluted with water if you

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<v Speaker 1>needed to. And and it may be throwing a dash

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<v Speaker 1>of bitters bitters or of course a medicinal infusion of

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<v Speaker 1>bitter roots or spices, what have you. And if you've

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<v Speaker 1>ever tried to make a cocktail without bitters and wondered

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<v Speaker 1>what's missing, that's what's missing. Yeah, Bitters I think are essential. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>as you sort of triangulate the flavor, right, because you've

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<v Speaker 1>gotta have your your bitter, you have your sweet um.

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<v Speaker 1>You want you want to be able to to define

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<v Speaker 1>that balance. You don't want it to be just this

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<v Speaker 1>ultra sweet or this ultra bitter concoction. So you can

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<v Speaker 1>get really high and mighty about the definition of the cocktail.

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<v Speaker 1>You can stick to that, to a narrow definition. But

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<v Speaker 1>all you really need is the mixture of an alcohol

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<v Speaker 1>with some other ingredient, right, I mean a jack and

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<v Speaker 1>coke is a cocktail? Am I being high and mighty here?

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<v Speaker 1>I I promise I'm not high and mighty. That just

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like it really is it? By the my modern

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<v Speaker 1>deluded standards, I think you can say, yes, it's on

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<v Speaker 1>the cocktail menu. Um, but it's of course far from

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<v Speaker 1>a perfectly balanced Manhattan and old fashioned, etcetera. A punch

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't a cocktail. But we can certainly go back much

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<v Speaker 1>further in time and find examples of its basic principles.

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<v Speaker 1>On that note, let's take a quick break, and when

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<v Speaker 1>we come back, we will look at some in some

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<v Speaker 1>cases very ancient concoctions that you can argue where cocktails,

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<v Speaker 1>though you might not want to try and order them

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<v Speaker 1>at your favorite restaurant this weekend. So looking at the

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<v Speaker 1>origins of cocktails, I want to throw out an idea

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm I don't know, I've been mulling over. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sort of sympathetic to the idea that cooking has

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<v Speaker 1>multiple anthropological functions. Of course, there's the basic biological role

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<v Speaker 1>of it in that it makes food safe to eat,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, killing food born and bacteria and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>And it makes food easier to digest. It's externalizing some

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<v Speaker 1>of the process of digestion. You can get more nutrition

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<v Speaker 1>out of the food, but it might Also I think

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<v Speaker 1>kind of provide a psychological effect in that it sort

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<v Speaker 1>of d natures or provides psychological distancing effects, um. By

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<v Speaker 1>putting a veneer of artificiality and civilization over the brute

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<v Speaker 1>animal activity of gorging oneself on calories of plant matter

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<v Speaker 1>and animal flesh in order to stay alive. It's almost

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<v Speaker 1>like a way of putting death out of mind in

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<v Speaker 1>the process of eating. Okay, kind of like how we

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<v Speaker 1>we distance ourselves from the reality of especially meat products. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we like sometimes people are disturbed to see their meat

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<v Speaker 1>being cut off of an animal carcass instead of just

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<v Speaker 1>arriving in a wrapped container. Uh. Some people don't even

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<v Speaker 1>want to look at raw meat. They might buy pre

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<v Speaker 1>cooked meat or something like that. And I think that

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<v Speaker 1>there's some of the same anthropological uh desire for distancing

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<v Speaker 1>from our animal nature that that's operating here. And again

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<v Speaker 1>this is this is just my speculation. I'm not This

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<v Speaker 1>is not backed up by any hard science, um. But

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder if some of the same thing could be

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<v Speaker 1>going on with the idea of mixing alcohols uh, cocktail culture,

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<v Speaker 1>or even going back to some of these things we're

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<v Speaker 1>about to talk about. You know the origins of mixing

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<v Speaker 1>wine with various ingredients. It is tasty, I'll give it that,

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<v Speaker 1>so I, but also cooked food is tasty. I wonder

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<v Speaker 1>if there is also an element that's operating that is

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<v Speaker 1>putting a veneer of civilization and sophistication onto the act

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<v Speaker 1>of ingesting ethanol to dull your senses, right, or sort

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<v Speaker 1>of the to take a page from nature documentaries and

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<v Speaker 1>of course overdrawn at the memory bank, the idea of

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<v Speaker 1>of a monkey eating a rotting, fermenting fruit and then

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<v Speaker 1>falling out of a tree exactly. We don't want that experience, though, essentially,

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<v Speaker 1>how is it that different? Right, We've we've taken something

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<v Speaker 1>that has been transformed by its uh, by its demise,

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<v Speaker 1>we've we've we've eaten it, or we've we've sipped of it,

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<v Speaker 1>and then it's altered our senses a bit. Yeah. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm certainly not saying that the you know, the visual

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<v Speaker 1>art and the taste and smell pleasure of a cocktail

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<v Speaker 1>is not the primary reason for it. But I wonder

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<v Speaker 1>if it's fulfilling this other role, to if it makes

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<v Speaker 1>us feel just a little more human and a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit less like an ape rolling around while we're getting

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<v Speaker 1>in the state of mind that you know, if if

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<v Speaker 1>it goes wrong, could lead to some actual rolling around. Well, certainly,

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<v Speaker 1>there's there's no shortage of of culture attacked attached to cocktails,

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<v Speaker 1>especially when you get into the even the particulars of

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<v Speaker 1>the glasses and and what sort of glass is suitable

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<v Speaker 1>for this type of beverage, some of which is grounded

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<v Speaker 1>in the physics of the chemistry of the thing, but

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<v Speaker 1>more often than not, it's just pure cultural distinctions. This

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<v Speaker 1>type of glack coop glass or a nick and Nora

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<v Speaker 1>is more appropriate for this drink. Why just because it

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<v Speaker 1>looks nice, Because it is. Yeah, yeah, that's how it's

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<v Speaker 1>always been done. That's what your culture says. Yes, But anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>let's go back through that culture. Let us retreat into

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<v Speaker 1>the clouds of history and see if we can find

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<v Speaker 1>the origins of this process of mixing alcoholic beverages. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the true origins are are ultimately going to be lost

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<v Speaker 1>to the midst of history because essentially what we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about it is just it's very basis combining wines or

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<v Speaker 1>other alcoholic concoctions with herbal ingredients or other ingredients that

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<v Speaker 1>alters the finished beverage, because distilled liquor is not that old.

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<v Speaker 1>So making wine with some selection of specialized ingredients, well,

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<v Speaker 1>these have been with us for for ages, so you

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<v Speaker 1>might choose to call them magic potions, or you might

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<v Speaker 1>call it a medicinal elixir. But let's consider a few

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<v Speaker 1>interesting examples. What do they call it in Game of Thrones?

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<v Speaker 1>Muld wine? Mold wine? Yes, and everybody drinks mould wine.

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<v Speaker 1>And don't forget the milk of the poppy. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>which will we'll kind of come back to in a bit.

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<v Speaker 1>So these are a few examples. These are not necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>in order of historical occurrence, but one of Emperor Claudius's physicians,

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<v Speaker 1>one Scribonious Largus Uh, prescribed the following to sue the stomachache.

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<v Speaker 1>Sweet wine combined with dissolved black myrtle berries and pills

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<v Speaker 1>made up updates deal saffron, nigella, seeds, hazel ward and juniper. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so it sounds like, wait, hold on, some wine. So

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<v Speaker 1>like wine that is a precursor of a vermouth product,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're getting some juniper here, So they're working on

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<v Speaker 1>a martini you could, Yeah, juniper berries are are? Are

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<v Speaker 1>they the key ingredient gen So you could make an

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<v Speaker 1>argument that, yeah, this is maybe a precursor to a martini.

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<v Speaker 1>Very certainly, almost certainly would not have tasted like a martini.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's another one. According to Amy Stewart's The Drunken Botanist,

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<v Speaker 1>an eighteenth century concoction called for boiling snails with milk,

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<v Speaker 1>brandy figs, and spices to create to treat consumption. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you imagine you're you're already dealing with consumption and

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<v Speaker 1>then somebody who really cares about you comes at you

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<v Speaker 1>with a cup of this. Yeah, what's in it? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, some brandy figs, spices, milk, Oh, sounds good,

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<v Speaker 1>and some boiled snails. That's that's how they get you

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<v Speaker 1>the final ingredient. Now, if we go back all the

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<v Speaker 1>way to a thirty BC. Virgil, the of course, the

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<v Speaker 1>poet who write notably guided Dante into the underworld and

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<v Speaker 1>the divine comedy. Uh he he wrote of of citron

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<v Speaker 1>is a remedy against poison. So citroning, you know, citrus fruit,

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<v Speaker 1>the peel was added to wine as a vomit inducing remedy.

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<v Speaker 1>So citron is one of the earliest species of citrus.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a parent of various citrus species that we've we

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<v Speaker 1>prized today and use in in concoctions, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>an all manner of recipes. Um. So it has a

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<v Speaker 1>thick peel. It's a sour fruit. It is a quote

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<v Speaker 1>dinosaur of the citrus world. Uh kinda again, too many

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<v Speaker 1>fruit fruits that we cherish in our cocktails and more

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<v Speaker 1>closely related to the Boodhoo's hand citron. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if you've ever seen this. It's a really beautiful fruit

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<v Speaker 1>that has this kind of don't think of a straight

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<v Speaker 1>up hand, but think of a very Eastern depiction of

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<v Speaker 1>a curly fingered hand, and you have it. It looks

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<v Speaker 1>very love crafty and I just looked it up. It does,

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<v Speaker 1>it has, it has tentacles coming out of its head.

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<v Speaker 1>I have actually have a post about it that I'll

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<v Speaker 1>link to on the landing page for this episode because

0:24:55.040 --> 0:24:58.800
<v Speaker 1>it photographs beautifully just a beautiful, beautiful fruit. Now I

0:24:58.880 --> 0:25:03.639
<v Speaker 1>can't I can't recommend trying Virgil's recipe here, but it

0:25:03.760 --> 0:25:06.639
<v Speaker 1>is worth a noting that in Barbados they originally made

0:25:06.800 --> 0:25:09.840
<v Speaker 1>citron water in the eighteenth century and may have used

0:25:09.840 --> 0:25:12.560
<v Speaker 1>it to flavor of vermouth so there is some connection

0:25:12.640 --> 0:25:16.479
<v Speaker 1>there too, uh more or less modern drink culture. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>So a minute ago we mentioned the juniper berry is

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<v Speaker 1>one of the ingredients prescribed for this This pill combined

0:25:23.320 --> 0:25:26.640
<v Speaker 1>with sweet wine to soothe an upset stomach in ancient Rome.

0:25:27.680 --> 0:25:31.440
<v Speaker 1>But uh so, juniper actually did does, as we say,

0:25:31.520 --> 0:25:33.919
<v Speaker 1>end up being the main ingredient in gin. Right, And

0:25:33.960 --> 0:25:36.399
<v Speaker 1>it's a medicinal use goes way back as well, as

0:25:36.480 --> 0:25:40.280
<v Speaker 1>used as early as twelve sixty six by Belgian theologian

0:25:40.359 --> 0:25:44.840
<v Speaker 1>Thomas van Contemporary, and he recommended boiling juniper berries in

0:25:44.960 --> 0:25:48.919
<v Speaker 1>rain water or wine to treat stomach paint paint. Now, this,

0:25:49.040 --> 0:25:51.520
<v Speaker 1>it's important to note, would not have tasted like gin,

0:25:51.680 --> 0:25:55.240
<v Speaker 1>no matter what you're what you know, bottom shelf variety

0:25:55.280 --> 0:25:57.639
<v Speaker 1>of gin you might be thinking of. I'm sure that

0:25:57.720 --> 0:26:01.840
<v Speaker 1>tasted better than a rain water juniper concoction. Bad gin

0:26:02.040 --> 0:26:04.840
<v Speaker 1>is a bad idea, Yes, as I would. I would

0:26:04.840 --> 0:26:07.520
<v Speaker 1>advise anyone who has turned off of gen to, you know,

0:26:07.560 --> 0:26:10.359
<v Speaker 1>explore there's some there's some great gen's out there, uh

0:26:11.040 --> 0:26:14.399
<v Speaker 1>that that aren't that don't taste of rainwater. Now, in

0:26:14.480 --> 0:26:19.200
<v Speaker 1>the second sist century, Greek physician Galen recommended juniper berries,

0:26:19.400 --> 0:26:23.040
<v Speaker 1>to quote, cleans the liver and kidneys and uh, and

0:26:23.080 --> 0:26:26.479
<v Speaker 1>they evidently thin any thick and viscous juices, and for

0:26:26.520 --> 0:26:30.120
<v Speaker 1>this reason they are mixed in health medicines unquote. So

0:26:30.720 --> 0:26:34.440
<v Speaker 1>Stewart in her book writes that this suggests a mixture

0:26:34.480 --> 0:26:38.560
<v Speaker 1>with alcohol, which again kind of sounds like jen. Probably

0:26:38.560 --> 0:26:42.080
<v Speaker 1>would not have tasted anything like jen. Alright, moving on

0:26:42.200 --> 0:26:46.480
<v Speaker 1>from proto gen uh, here's an eighteen fifties recipe for

0:26:46.560 --> 0:26:50.240
<v Speaker 1>concoction to treat I was, which was some sort of

0:26:50.280 --> 0:26:54.639
<v Speaker 1>bacterial infection that afflicted the skin and the joints. So

0:26:54.760 --> 0:26:59.040
<v Speaker 1>Kentucky farmer John B. Clark listed the recipe as follows.

0:26:59.040 --> 0:27:01.080
<v Speaker 1>This is listed in the Drunken Botanists as well. You

0:27:01.119 --> 0:27:04.240
<v Speaker 1>would need to combine one pint of hog lard, one

0:27:04.320 --> 0:27:08.400
<v Speaker 1>handful I think you said lard. Yes, lard, yes, hog lard, yes,

0:27:08.640 --> 0:27:12.080
<v Speaker 1>straight up hog lard in the drink. Yes. Again, not

0:27:12.160 --> 0:27:15.600
<v Speaker 1>that different from the bacon related drinks that would briefly

0:27:15.640 --> 0:27:21.080
<v Speaker 1>become the fat. So okay, you get your pineahog lard,

0:27:21.440 --> 0:27:24.440
<v Speaker 1>you got your handful of earthworms. That's what you're gonna

0:27:24.480 --> 0:27:27.960
<v Speaker 1>You're gonna need that handful of tobacco four pods of

0:27:27.960 --> 0:27:33.520
<v Speaker 1>red pepper, a spoonful of black pepper, a race of ginger,

0:27:33.840 --> 0:27:37.880
<v Speaker 1>and you stew this together and mix with brandy. Well,

0:27:37.960 --> 0:27:41.160
<v Speaker 1>that sounds dangerous on one hand, because if you're using

0:27:41.200 --> 0:27:44.440
<v Speaker 1>tobacco and it, that sounds like you could easily accidentally

0:27:44.480 --> 0:27:48.960
<v Speaker 1>extract too much nicotine and poison yourself. Right. Well, this

0:27:49.080 --> 0:27:50.879
<v Speaker 1>is a good good point as well. And this this

0:27:50.920 --> 0:27:54.960
<v Speaker 1>will come up again as we discuss the weird connection

0:27:55.040 --> 0:27:58.800
<v Speaker 1>between alcohol and tobacco. There and tobacco and fused alcohols.

0:27:58.800 --> 0:28:01.080
<v Speaker 1>You can actually buy one today, but yeah, that would

0:28:01.080 --> 0:28:04.479
<v Speaker 1>have been a potential threat here. Or maybe that's how

0:28:04.520 --> 0:28:08.679
<v Speaker 1>it works. Maybe you're you're isolating the the true power

0:28:08.840 --> 0:28:11.080
<v Speaker 1>of this folklorimity. Yeah, I mean, I guess when you

0:28:11.080 --> 0:28:14.480
<v Speaker 1>think about it, the whole nature of of drinking ethanol

0:28:14.600 --> 0:28:19.080
<v Speaker 1>based drinks is you're kind of slightly poisoning yourself. Yeah. Yeah.

0:28:19.119 --> 0:28:21.359
<v Speaker 1>And as we get into the some of the so

0:28:21.440 --> 0:28:24.480
<v Speaker 1>called nefarious spirits that have been used in cocktails over time,

0:28:24.720 --> 0:28:28.840
<v Speaker 1>it's worth stressing that alcohol is kind of the nefarious spirit.

0:28:29.600 --> 0:28:31.840
<v Speaker 1>Very few of the substances that get mixed in with

0:28:31.920 --> 0:28:36.320
<v Speaker 1>it are as potentially dangerous as the thing itself. Finally,

0:28:36.400 --> 0:28:39.360
<v Speaker 1>I want to mention this is a little, a little

0:28:39.440 --> 0:28:44.080
<v Speaker 1>far less of a cocktail, but certainly a mixture of spirits. Uh.

0:28:44.240 --> 0:28:48.200
<v Speaker 1>If you look back at Homer's Odyssey, you find a

0:28:48.280 --> 0:28:51.600
<v Speaker 1>mixture that is referred to as kai kion, and this

0:28:51.600 --> 0:28:53.800
<v Speaker 1>would have been a mixture of beer, wine and meat

0:28:54.040 --> 0:28:58.080
<v Speaker 1>that was given by Circe to um to Odysseus crew

0:28:58.880 --> 0:29:02.440
<v Speaker 1>in the Odyssey. So a mixture of spirits and maybe

0:29:02.440 --> 0:29:05.280
<v Speaker 1>a little magic in there as well. That doesn't sound

0:29:05.320 --> 0:29:08.280
<v Speaker 1>like a good combination, right, Yeah, yeah, I mean it

0:29:08.840 --> 0:29:11.080
<v Speaker 1>either it doled them out enough that she could turn

0:29:11.160 --> 0:29:13.000
<v Speaker 1>them into pigs, or it had some role in turning

0:29:13.040 --> 0:29:15.680
<v Speaker 1>them into pigs. Either way, not something you want out

0:29:15.680 --> 0:29:19.040
<v Speaker 1>of your your your beverage. Bottom line, don't accept drinks

0:29:19.040 --> 0:29:21.760
<v Speaker 1>from a witch, right, yeah, never except to drink from

0:29:21.800 --> 0:29:23.239
<v Speaker 1>a witch. I think we should all we should all

0:29:23.280 --> 0:29:25.080
<v Speaker 1>know that by that point, been fooled too many times.

0:29:25.680 --> 0:29:29.120
<v Speaker 1>All right, So let's get into these nefarious spirits. Touching uh,

0:29:29.520 --> 0:29:34.760
<v Speaker 1>touching down once again on tobacco. So tobacco liqueur, what's

0:29:34.760 --> 0:29:37.800
<v Speaker 1>the history here? Well, we don't know for certain on this,

0:29:37.840 --> 0:29:40.960
<v Speaker 1>but Amy Stewart points out that people that the people

0:29:40.960 --> 0:29:44.360
<v Speaker 1>of Columbia, Venezuela and Brazil had a long standing practice

0:29:44.360 --> 0:29:47.760
<v Speaker 1>of soaking tobacco leaves and honey. And since honey can

0:29:47.840 --> 0:29:51.400
<v Speaker 1>of course be fermented into mead and such drinks, such

0:29:51.480 --> 0:29:54.880
<v Speaker 1>meat type drinks were known in South America. It's possible,

0:29:54.920 --> 0:29:59.520
<v Speaker 1>but unproven, that some manner of nicotine mead may have emerged.

0:30:00.000 --> 0:30:03.239
<v Speaker 1>So nicomede, nicomede, I guess, yeah, So it would have

0:30:04.840 --> 0:30:08.200
<v Speaker 1>your your alcohol and nicotine buzz combined into a single experience.

0:30:08.240 --> 0:30:10.760
<v Speaker 1>No need to drink and smoke, you just have one

0:30:10.800 --> 0:30:15.240
<v Speaker 1>concoction that is. Yeah. But let's leave the ambiguous world

0:30:15.280 --> 0:30:21.240
<v Speaker 1>of conjecture and consider actual, verified, and perfectly legal tobacco liqueurs.

0:30:21.880 --> 0:30:25.480
<v Speaker 1>The best known of these is periq liqueur did tobacco.

0:30:25.600 --> 0:30:28.239
<v Speaker 1>So this is a French tobacco liqueur, and pretty much

0:30:28.240 --> 0:30:31.160
<v Speaker 1>it be tobacco liqueur. I gotta say, I'm surprised to

0:30:31.360 --> 0:30:35.360
<v Speaker 1>I would not have expected anybody was actually making tobacco booze, yeah,

0:30:35.480 --> 0:30:37.880
<v Speaker 1>or that it was like a refined thing and not

0:30:38.200 --> 0:30:42.760
<v Speaker 1>some sort of weird, gimmicky somebody's dangerous backyard concoctions. Right

0:30:43.360 --> 0:30:47.560
<v Speaker 1>the distillers here at the Combert facility, they claim that

0:30:47.640 --> 0:30:50.480
<v Speaker 1>it has no nicotine in it though, and this is

0:30:50.480 --> 0:30:54.240
<v Speaker 1>apparently quite likely since the high boiling point of nicotine

0:30:54.360 --> 0:30:57.840
<v Speaker 1>is like four seventy five degrees fahrenheit, meaning that it

0:30:57.880 --> 0:31:01.960
<v Speaker 1>probably doesn't rise through the still during the distillation process.

0:31:02.080 --> 0:31:05.440
<v Speaker 1>That's interesting. So that makes it seem like, given that fact,

0:31:05.480 --> 0:31:09.040
<v Speaker 1>it's actually safer to have a tobacco based liquor or

0:31:09.040 --> 0:31:11.720
<v Speaker 1>liqueur than it would be to do what we were

0:31:11.760 --> 0:31:14.760
<v Speaker 1>talking about earlier, and like soaked tobacco leaves in a

0:31:14.880 --> 0:31:17.960
<v Speaker 1>wine that you're drinking or something where the essence could

0:31:17.960 --> 0:31:21.480
<v Speaker 1>come out into the liquid, whereas in a still you're

0:31:21.520 --> 0:31:24.440
<v Speaker 1>saying it would not evaporate correctly, right, And that's something

0:31:24.520 --> 0:31:26.760
<v Speaker 1>she points out there, is that, especially in this age

0:31:26.800 --> 0:31:33.480
<v Speaker 1>of nix nix, a logical enthusiasm and often home bitter

0:31:33.680 --> 0:31:38.200
<v Speaker 1>making projects that some some might make a cigar bitters,

0:31:38.240 --> 0:31:39.920
<v Speaker 1>for instance, at their house, but if you don't know

0:31:39.960 --> 0:31:44.680
<v Speaker 1>what you're doing, uh, you might accidentally create this a

0:31:44.960 --> 0:31:48.800
<v Speaker 1>supercharged nicotine concoction, and you could create a cocktail with

0:31:48.880 --> 0:31:52.520
<v Speaker 1>an inappropriate dose of nicotine in it. That sounds like

0:31:52.560 --> 0:31:55.760
<v Speaker 1>a very bad night. Now. Now some of you are

0:31:55.760 --> 0:31:59.080
<v Speaker 1>probably wondering, well, what is that actual tobacco liqueur taste

0:31:59.080 --> 0:32:03.120
<v Speaker 1>like well, Stewart describes it as quote sweet, aromatic and

0:32:03.160 --> 0:32:06.880
<v Speaker 1>decidedly different, and that it quote tastes the way sweet

0:32:06.960 --> 0:32:10.920
<v Speaker 1>damp pipe tobacco smells. So I know that smell, but

0:32:11.000 --> 0:32:14.960
<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine that taste. Yeah. Yeah, so that's why.

0:32:15.000 --> 0:32:17.160
<v Speaker 1>If anyone out there has any experience with this one

0:32:17.200 --> 0:32:21.840
<v Speaker 1>and has a more detailed explanation or additional thoughts on

0:32:22.000 --> 0:32:26.880
<v Speaker 1>it's a particular uh bouquet, then let us know. Okay,

0:32:26.880 --> 0:32:31.000
<v Speaker 1>so that's nicotine, but how about how about cocaine? How

0:32:31.080 --> 0:32:36.080
<v Speaker 1>about coca wines and tonics? Moving up the ladder of stimulants? Yeah,

0:32:37.280 --> 0:32:40.200
<v Speaker 1>this so so this is another something. Hold on, when

0:32:40.200 --> 0:32:42.360
<v Speaker 1>do we get to four loco then four local? What

0:32:42.440 --> 0:32:44.120
<v Speaker 1>is in four loco? I'm not familiar with this one.

0:32:44.160 --> 0:32:45.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh I just made a four loco joke, and I

0:32:45.880 --> 0:32:48.160
<v Speaker 1>don't really know. I believe it is a or at

0:32:48.240 --> 0:32:53.680
<v Speaker 1>least was a combined alcoholic beverage and energy drink. Yes,

0:32:54.080 --> 0:32:56.560
<v Speaker 1>I think it might not be anymore something. I don't know.

0:32:56.600 --> 0:33:00.160
<v Speaker 1>I've never had a four loco. I'm not advocating it, Okay, Well, mean,

0:33:00.160 --> 0:33:01.960
<v Speaker 1>of course there are other drinks out there that combine

0:33:02.000 --> 0:33:07.000
<v Speaker 1>alcohol and coffee, so or the much dreaded vodka and

0:33:07.040 --> 0:33:10.480
<v Speaker 1>red bull, which David Wandridge does not cover in his book.

0:33:11.000 --> 0:33:14.080
<v Speaker 1>But really it didn't make it into didn't make it in. Yeah,

0:33:14.200 --> 0:33:17.560
<v Speaker 1>it's not refined enough. Go figure. But but as far

0:33:17.640 --> 0:33:22.040
<v Speaker 1>as the history of coca leaves, the prime ingredient in

0:33:22.200 --> 0:33:26.240
<v Speaker 1>cocaine and alcohol, Uh, this this gets really interesting. So

0:33:26.280 --> 0:33:28.840
<v Speaker 1>Peruvian has made use of the coca plant leaves as

0:33:28.840 --> 0:33:32.640
<v Speaker 1>early as three thousand b C. So they would choose

0:33:32.680 --> 0:33:36.040
<v Speaker 1>the leaves for energy. It provided mild stimulus and it

0:33:36.040 --> 0:33:39.800
<v Speaker 1>would also help against altitude sickness. It could be brut

0:33:39.880 --> 0:33:42.800
<v Speaker 1>and tease as well. Now did we mention the the

0:33:42.840 --> 0:33:46.440
<v Speaker 1>idea that this was employed by the the runners in

0:33:46.480 --> 0:33:49.680
<v Speaker 1>the Kingdom of the Incan's, the runners who would carry

0:33:49.760 --> 0:33:56.080
<v Speaker 1>the not messages across the high altitude I believe we did. Yeah, yeah,

0:33:56.120 --> 0:33:59.120
<v Speaker 1>that would have been an example of usage there where

0:33:59.120 --> 0:34:01.160
<v Speaker 1>you just needed a little more boost or a little

0:34:01.200 --> 0:34:04.880
<v Speaker 1>a little better ability to uh, to really go at

0:34:04.920 --> 0:34:08.279
<v Speaker 1>it in the U in the higher altitudes, they would

0:34:08.280 --> 0:34:11.400
<v Speaker 1>have turned to the coca leaf. Now, when the Europeans

0:34:11.440 --> 0:34:14.560
<v Speaker 1>came in, they figured out how to extract the cocaine alkaloid,

0:34:14.920 --> 0:34:17.680
<v Speaker 1>and it was used as a pain reliever and antiseptic,

0:34:17.880 --> 0:34:21.279
<v Speaker 1>digestive and various other medical uses. In fact, in the US,

0:34:21.360 --> 0:34:25.080
<v Speaker 1>it remains a schedule to narcotic. That means it has

0:34:25.400 --> 0:34:28.400
<v Speaker 1>quote currently accepted medical use and treatment in the United

0:34:28.400 --> 0:34:34.359
<v Speaker 1>States or currently accepted medical use with severe restrictions. What

0:34:34.360 --> 0:34:39.680
<v Speaker 1>what what use is cocaine today in the medical community? Uh? Well,

0:34:39.719 --> 0:34:41.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean basically it comes down to some of the

0:34:41.160 --> 0:34:44.560
<v Speaker 1>properties was originally used for, um, you know, such as,

0:34:44.920 --> 0:34:49.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, alleviating pain. If anyone's ever seen the Wonderful

0:34:50.120 --> 0:34:53.360
<v Speaker 1>Blue of Cinemax show the Nick, they do a wonderful

0:34:53.480 --> 0:34:56.720
<v Speaker 1>job of exploring the use of cocaine medically at the time.

0:34:57.320 --> 0:35:00.720
<v Speaker 1>Uh pre anesthesia. You know, you could you could inject

0:35:00.960 --> 0:35:04.760
<v Speaker 1>cocaine and uh and and get the desired result for surgery.

0:35:05.120 --> 0:35:08.720
<v Speaker 1>Uh yeah. Wow. But it is an interesting reality to

0:35:08.719 --> 0:35:13.720
<v Speaker 1>to remind oneself that while marijuana is a Schedule one narcotic, uh,

0:35:13.880 --> 0:35:18.360
<v Speaker 1>cocaine is a schedule too. Of course, today cocaine continues

0:35:18.400 --> 0:35:22.000
<v Speaker 1>to power around with alcohol and illicit recreational usages, but

0:35:22.080 --> 0:35:26.120
<v Speaker 1>it also made its way into coca leaf wines and tonics,

0:35:26.160 --> 0:35:30.000
<v Speaker 1>So there was a French vin Mariani. This was a

0:35:30.080 --> 0:35:33.160
<v Speaker 1>tonic and it was patent in patented in eighteen sixty

0:35:33.200 --> 0:35:37.520
<v Speaker 1>three by French chemist Angelo Mariani, and he also offered

0:35:37.520 --> 0:35:41.040
<v Speaker 1>a coca wine called then Tonique Marianni, which was a

0:35:41.080 --> 0:35:45.319
<v Speaker 1>combo of Bordeaux wine and coca leaves. Now none of

0:35:45.360 --> 0:35:49.040
<v Speaker 1>that goes on, at least legally today, but coca flavoring

0:35:49.080 --> 0:35:51.560
<v Speaker 1>is still used. And you can order yourself some d

0:35:51.960 --> 0:35:55.719
<v Speaker 1>coconut cocaine eysed cocoa tea right off of Amazon. And

0:35:55.719 --> 0:35:59.279
<v Speaker 1>it's actually pretty good. It's it's you've had I've had it. Yeah, Yeah,

0:35:59.320 --> 0:36:02.080
<v Speaker 1>they've they've they've leached all of the cocaine out of it.

0:36:02.160 --> 0:36:05.920
<v Speaker 1>So it's perfectly, perfectly legal, perfectly reasonable thing to have.

0:36:06.000 --> 0:36:07.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you should have it before a

0:36:07.400 --> 0:36:12.359
<v Speaker 1>drug test from employment or anything, but it's certainly interesting. Well,

0:36:12.440 --> 0:36:14.720
<v Speaker 1>one thing that occurs to me is if coca cola

0:36:14.840 --> 0:36:19.040
<v Speaker 1>originally was flavored with coca, wasn't it some kind of

0:36:19.080 --> 0:36:23.320
<v Speaker 1>coca product? I believe it's not anymore. Right, Well, they

0:36:23.360 --> 0:36:25.840
<v Speaker 1>have the whole secret recipe thing, right, and and certainly

0:36:25.840 --> 0:36:29.399
<v Speaker 1>coca can be d cocaine eyst so so it could

0:36:29.400 --> 0:36:31.560
<v Speaker 1>be d cocaine and so so, but you could think

0:36:31.640 --> 0:36:35.160
<v Speaker 1>just flavor wise, perhaps if you're mixing coca cola with

0:36:35.200 --> 0:36:37.680
<v Speaker 1>some kind of alcoholic beverage, you may be to some

0:36:38.000 --> 0:36:42.239
<v Speaker 1>very tamed extent simulating this kind of mixture. Right, And

0:36:42.239 --> 0:36:46.879
<v Speaker 1>there's apparently a liqueur called Agua sold in the US

0:36:46.920 --> 0:36:50.080
<v Speaker 1>and European markets, and it's marketed as quote a premium

0:36:50.080 --> 0:36:53.440
<v Speaker 1>herbal liqueur made from Bolivian coca leaves and an infusion

0:36:53.440 --> 0:36:56.160
<v Speaker 1>of thirty six herbs and botanicals. So in this case

0:36:56.280 --> 0:36:59.359
<v Speaker 1>we would be talking, uh, you know, the cocaine has

0:36:59.360 --> 0:37:01.279
<v Speaker 1>been removed from it as well, and you're just getting

0:37:01.320 --> 0:37:04.120
<v Speaker 1>the flavor profile with the leaf. And of course this

0:37:04.280 --> 0:37:09.640
<v Speaker 1>the the the excitement of oh it's it's it's cocaine liqueur. Well, yeah,

0:37:09.680 --> 0:37:11.399
<v Speaker 1>there you go. I mean, as we talked about, it's

0:37:11.440 --> 0:37:14.480
<v Speaker 1>not just the taste. There's an event going on, right,

0:37:14.520 --> 0:37:18.640
<v Speaker 1>it's the showman show. Now from there, let's move on

0:37:18.680 --> 0:37:22.600
<v Speaker 1>to another schedule to narcotic with a similar timeline of

0:37:22.640 --> 0:37:28.480
<v Speaker 1>traditional use, medicinal use, refinement, and then outright abuse. We're

0:37:28.520 --> 0:37:34.160
<v Speaker 1>talking of course about opium. Okay, so opium cocktails huh yeah, well,

0:37:34.680 --> 0:37:36.520
<v Speaker 1>you know this is this is something I didn't realize.

0:37:36.840 --> 0:37:39.399
<v Speaker 1>I guess I knew this, but I never really put

0:37:39.440 --> 0:37:43.040
<v Speaker 1>one and two together. But the seeds of the opium plant,

0:37:43.040 --> 0:37:47.640
<v Speaker 1>poppy seeds, they're sold legally since they're used in baked goods. Right.

0:37:48.120 --> 0:37:52.120
<v Speaker 1>I remember the old Seinfeld bit about Elaine having poppy

0:37:52.120 --> 0:37:55.279
<v Speaker 1>seed muffins and then flunking a drug test, But I

0:37:55.360 --> 0:37:57.720
<v Speaker 1>somehow didn't put put it together that it was actually

0:37:57.800 --> 0:38:00.319
<v Speaker 1>the same plant. I kind of, without thinking about it,

0:38:00.360 --> 0:38:02.360
<v Speaker 1>assume that it was just, you know, something that's closely

0:38:02.400 --> 0:38:06.279
<v Speaker 1>related to it and would trigger a false positive. Now,

0:38:06.320 --> 0:38:08.360
<v Speaker 1>I imagine this does not mean that we have to

0:38:08.360 --> 0:38:11.279
<v Speaker 1>worry about eating poppy seed muffins because they're gonna have

0:38:11.360 --> 0:38:15.000
<v Speaker 1>opioid effects on us. No, yeah, not at all. Continue

0:38:15.000 --> 0:38:18.200
<v Speaker 1>to eat your, your, your, your poppy seed muffins. Now.

0:38:18.320 --> 0:38:21.880
<v Speaker 1>Stewart points out that the earliest possible description of an

0:38:21.880 --> 0:38:26.800
<v Speaker 1>opium infused cocktail of sorts is again Homer's Odyssey Uh

0:38:26.920 --> 0:38:31.359
<v Speaker 1>the elixir Nephanthy that Helen of Troy drank to alleviate

0:38:31.400 --> 0:38:34.799
<v Speaker 1>her sorrows. It was mixed quote with an herb that

0:38:34.880 --> 0:38:38.480
<v Speaker 1>banishes all care, sorrow, and ill humor, and this of

0:38:38.520 --> 0:38:41.000
<v Speaker 1>course may have referred to opium. Or if you're a

0:38:41.000 --> 0:38:43.839
<v Speaker 1>fan of Game of Thrones and I think this might

0:38:43.880 --> 0:38:46.680
<v Speaker 1>be yeah, there you go. Now that, of course, the

0:38:46.880 --> 0:38:49.239
<v Speaker 1>more direct comparison there would be if we go to

0:38:49.320 --> 0:38:54.480
<v Speaker 1>Victorian times laudanum tonic, which was opium steeped in alcohol.

0:38:54.560 --> 0:38:58.320
<v Speaker 1>The alkaloids and opium are for more soluble in alcohol

0:38:58.400 --> 0:39:01.440
<v Speaker 1>rather than in water. There is so. I just recently

0:39:01.560 --> 0:39:05.640
<v Speaker 1>read the novel True Grit Oh Yeah, by Charles Portis uh,

0:39:05.680 --> 0:39:08.839
<v Speaker 1>and there is so. I've seen the movie before, but

0:39:08.960 --> 0:39:11.120
<v Speaker 1>especially in the novel, there is a scene in which

0:39:11.560 --> 0:39:14.319
<v Speaker 1>the main character, who is a girl who is very

0:39:14.440 --> 0:39:18.759
<v Speaker 1>level headed and very all business like. She she sort

0:39:18.800 --> 0:39:22.080
<v Speaker 1>of messes things up in a scene because she has

0:39:22.080 --> 0:39:26.040
<v Speaker 1>been given laudanum to treat a cold. It was it

0:39:26.080 --> 0:39:27.560
<v Speaker 1>was one of these things that was used to treat

0:39:27.600 --> 0:39:31.080
<v Speaker 1>just about everything. And that's the thing about opium is

0:39:31.160 --> 0:39:34.359
<v Speaker 1>that whatever ails you, at least in the short term,

0:39:34.400 --> 0:39:36.840
<v Speaker 1>a little little bit of opium will probably make it better.

0:39:37.440 --> 0:39:40.080
<v Speaker 1>It's the it's more the long term, not the problem,

0:39:40.120 --> 0:39:44.279
<v Speaker 1>not make it better, but make you not care. As

0:39:44.320 --> 0:39:48.560
<v Speaker 1>far as actual cocktails go, this is kind of interesting. Uh.

0:39:48.760 --> 0:39:50.719
<v Speaker 1>King George the Fifth like to consume a mixture of

0:39:50.719 --> 0:39:53.879
<v Speaker 1>brandy and laud him to alleviate his gout. So there

0:39:53.880 --> 0:39:58.480
<v Speaker 1>you go again. Not alleviate his gout, would alleviate his mind,

0:39:58.920 --> 0:40:02.239
<v Speaker 1>alleviate his his experience of the gout, or his relationship

0:40:02.280 --> 0:40:05.759
<v Speaker 1>to his experience of the count um and uh. And

0:40:05.800 --> 0:40:09.640
<v Speaker 1>of course Bear the Drug Company sold an opium syrup

0:40:09.800 --> 0:40:13.799
<v Speaker 1>in under the name Heroin, which was you know. Of

0:40:13.840 --> 0:40:17.320
<v Speaker 1>course often it was often marketed at kids, four kids

0:40:17.360 --> 0:40:19.640
<v Speaker 1>to help with your your cough or what whatever ails you.

0:40:19.680 --> 0:40:22.280
<v Speaker 1>I've seen those ads. Yeah, y'all out there, you should

0:40:22.280 --> 0:40:25.920
<v Speaker 1>look up these ads. Yeah, they're they the old printed

0:40:25.960 --> 0:40:28.879
<v Speaker 1>ads for it. It's it's phenomenal. And again, if you're

0:40:28.880 --> 0:40:31.279
<v Speaker 1>a fan of of all this, you want you want

0:40:31.280 --> 0:40:34.360
<v Speaker 1>sort of a fictional treatment of it. Uh. Steven Soderberg's

0:40:34.360 --> 0:40:38.920
<v Speaker 1>The Nick also explores uh, the early days of heroin

0:40:39.280 --> 0:40:42.040
<v Speaker 1>rather nicely. All right, well, what else do we do

0:40:42.080 --> 0:40:45.440
<v Speaker 1>we have here on the drink menu? If you will? Well,

0:40:45.480 --> 0:40:48.440
<v Speaker 1>I was just thinking about as long as we're going

0:40:48.480 --> 0:40:52.640
<v Speaker 1>into strange and perhaps illicit ingredients may be less illicit

0:40:52.680 --> 0:40:57.680
<v Speaker 1>than opium and cocaine. Uh. But do you remember the

0:40:57.840 --> 0:41:02.320
<v Speaker 1>bacon craze of the late two thousand's early two thousand tens.

0:41:02.480 --> 0:41:05.480
<v Speaker 1>Oh yes, how could I not. And of course coming

0:41:05.480 --> 0:41:09.200
<v Speaker 1>out of that craze, there were lots of bacon cocktails,

0:41:09.239 --> 0:41:11.600
<v Speaker 1>of course, you know. And not to say that that

0:41:11.640 --> 0:41:13.319
<v Speaker 1>was the first time there was ever such a thing

0:41:13.360 --> 0:41:17.000
<v Speaker 1>as like bacon infused alcohol, but it became very popular then,

0:41:17.040 --> 0:41:18.799
<v Speaker 1>and during this time it was it was like when

0:41:18.840 --> 0:41:22.200
<v Speaker 1>everybody thought it was hilarious to have an I Heart

0:41:22.239 --> 0:41:26.319
<v Speaker 1>Bacon bumper sticker or T shirt and have bacon parties,

0:41:26.880 --> 0:41:29.640
<v Speaker 1>and to have bacon on all your food, to make

0:41:29.719 --> 0:41:33.600
<v Speaker 1>like bacon utensils to eat your food with. Not to

0:41:33.719 --> 0:41:36.719
<v Speaker 1>disparage bacon itself, but I do think it's funny how

0:41:37.880 --> 0:41:40.520
<v Speaker 1>all of us at the time, for some reason, didn't

0:41:40.520 --> 0:41:45.200
<v Speaker 1>seem to realize that this was not just a spontaneous

0:41:45.239 --> 0:41:49.400
<v Speaker 1>outpouring of ironic Internet love, but to some extent a

0:41:49.520 --> 0:41:52.640
<v Speaker 1>result of market forces in the meat markets and a

0:41:52.719 --> 0:41:56.120
<v Speaker 1>manipulation of public opinion by the pork industry. I was

0:41:56.160 --> 0:41:59.160
<v Speaker 1>reading an article about that not too long ago, like,

0:41:59.400 --> 0:42:01.680
<v Speaker 1>was it really just a coincidence that you knew a

0:42:01.719 --> 0:42:05.600
<v Speaker 1>guy in college who started a hilarious bacon based garments

0:42:05.640 --> 0:42:09.160
<v Speaker 1>blog right around the same time that Wendy's introduced the

0:42:09.160 --> 0:42:13.280
<v Speaker 1>bacon eight er. Ah, that that's perfect and it again

0:42:13.320 --> 0:42:17.680
<v Speaker 1>it it fits perfectly in the culture of cocktails because

0:42:17.719 --> 0:42:20.240
<v Speaker 1>of that that marketing angle, and that's often a hidden

0:42:20.560 --> 0:42:23.600
<v Speaker 1>marketing angle. Like it reminds me of the origins of

0:42:23.640 --> 0:42:26.840
<v Speaker 1>the Moscow Mule, which of course is a is a

0:42:26.880 --> 0:42:29.960
<v Speaker 1>nice beverage. It has vodka, ginger beer, what some lime.

0:42:30.120 --> 0:42:32.399
<v Speaker 1>It's pretty in that copper cup. Yeah, that copper cup.

0:42:32.400 --> 0:42:34.879
<v Speaker 1>It looks beautiful. And where did it come from? That's

0:42:34.920 --> 0:42:37.600
<v Speaker 1>the thing you might think, Oh, well, this it's it's

0:42:37.640 --> 0:42:39.520
<v Speaker 1>called a Moscow Mule. Must have been This must have

0:42:39.560 --> 0:42:43.239
<v Speaker 1>been like a work working man's drink in Moscow, invented

0:42:43.280 --> 0:42:49.520
<v Speaker 1>by the great bartender Ivan Mulevich. No, you you might

0:42:49.520 --> 0:42:51.799
<v Speaker 1>think it might be something cool like that, but as

0:42:51.800 --> 0:42:53.960
<v Speaker 1>it turns out, it just goes back to a vodka

0:42:54.000 --> 0:42:57.799
<v Speaker 1>distributor who knew somebody. I think it was a girlfriend

0:42:58.160 --> 0:43:00.720
<v Speaker 1>who had all these copper mugs that that she needed

0:43:00.760 --> 0:43:03.440
<v Speaker 1>to sell. So just put one and two together and

0:43:03.480 --> 0:43:05.960
<v Speaker 1>the Moscow meal was born. It was delicious, but the

0:43:06.000 --> 0:43:10.319
<v Speaker 1>whole story, the fictional creation story behind it, just had

0:43:10.360 --> 0:43:16.040
<v Speaker 1>no basis. In fact, that is incredibly deflating. Well, you know,

0:43:15.880 --> 0:43:18.120
<v Speaker 1>you drink half of one and then you feel better

0:43:18.160 --> 0:43:22.400
<v Speaker 1>about it. Well anyway, you definitely remember though how this

0:43:22.440 --> 0:43:24.840
<v Speaker 1>did happen, or it was around two thousand ten. I

0:43:24.880 --> 0:43:27.600
<v Speaker 1>think that this was really peaking, that there was, you

0:43:27.600 --> 0:43:29.879
<v Speaker 1>know a little bit after the years after that were

0:43:29.880 --> 0:43:34.440
<v Speaker 1>suddenly these recipes for bacon infused bourbon and stuff like that.

0:43:34.480 --> 0:43:38.640
<v Speaker 1>We're just taking over the menus everywhere, and everybody thought

0:43:38.680 --> 0:43:42.799
<v Speaker 1>it was great to give somebody bacon old fashions or

0:43:43.080 --> 0:43:45.200
<v Speaker 1>for something like that for Christmas. And I think I

0:43:45.200 --> 0:43:47.879
<v Speaker 1>still see drinks of this nature on the menu every

0:43:47.880 --> 0:43:51.279
<v Speaker 1>now and then. Sometimes it's like a bacon like the

0:43:51.280 --> 0:43:53.640
<v Speaker 1>the Glasses Room, not in salt. That's some sort of

0:43:53.640 --> 0:43:56.520
<v Speaker 1>like bacon based not not straight up bacon bits, but

0:43:57.080 --> 0:44:00.920
<v Speaker 1>the fancier version of bacon bits. I think the barbecue

0:44:00.920 --> 0:44:04.319
<v Speaker 1>place here in town, Fox Brothers Barbecue in Atlanta, they

0:44:04.320 --> 0:44:06.480
<v Speaker 1>have a Bloody Mary that's got a bunch of bacon,

0:44:06.560 --> 0:44:11.440
<v Speaker 1>and that's of Bloody Mary's were not already pretty salty.

0:44:13.000 --> 0:44:16.759
<v Speaker 1>Um I I can't. I can't match anything that is

0:44:16.880 --> 0:44:22.120
<v Speaker 1>quite as meat centric as a bacon cocktail. But carnivorous

0:44:22.160 --> 0:44:25.080
<v Speaker 1>plants have occasionally made their way into cocktails. So you

0:44:25.120 --> 0:44:27.839
<v Speaker 1>have a plant by the name of an we call

0:44:27.960 --> 0:44:30.560
<v Speaker 1>sun Do. We talked about the sun Do in our

0:44:30.840 --> 0:44:33.319
<v Speaker 1>episode on carniverous Plants. Yeah, so you might remember it.

0:44:33.320 --> 0:44:36.520
<v Speaker 1>It catches insects with the sticky nectar and digest them

0:44:36.520 --> 0:44:39.640
<v Speaker 1>with his enzymes. And it was once popular in a

0:44:39.719 --> 0:44:45.160
<v Speaker 1>cordial known as rosalio. And uh today rosalio entails of

0:44:45.280 --> 0:44:48.840
<v Speaker 1>various liqueurs made from fruits and spices steeped in alcohol.

0:44:49.080 --> 0:44:52.080
<v Speaker 1>But sun Do was once a prime ingredient, and you

0:44:52.080 --> 0:44:54.440
<v Speaker 1>were advised to pick the dead insects out of the

0:44:54.480 --> 0:44:57.360
<v Speaker 1>fruit first. No way, yeah, no way, you're knocking that out. No,

0:44:57.400 --> 0:45:00.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm not making it the dead insects in your drink. No, no,

0:45:00.239 --> 0:45:02.400
<v Speaker 1>you would take it out before you made the drink.

0:45:02.440 --> 0:45:05.359
<v Speaker 1>Oh I see, so you'd strain it and then make

0:45:05.360 --> 0:45:08.279
<v Speaker 1>your cocktail. Right. Yeah. That being said, I don't know

0:45:08.320 --> 0:45:09.920
<v Speaker 1>that it that it would be that bad if they

0:45:09.920 --> 0:45:13.160
<v Speaker 1>were bugs in the drink. Speaking of dead things in

0:45:13.200 --> 0:45:16.240
<v Speaker 1>your drink and meaty flesh in your drink, I'm gonna

0:45:16.320 --> 0:45:20.040
<v Speaker 1>converge these two, uh, these two lines of inquiry into

0:45:20.120 --> 0:45:24.680
<v Speaker 1>a single cocktail, which is you may have heard about this,

0:45:25.000 --> 0:45:28.160
<v Speaker 1>you may not have, But in the town of Dawson City,

0:45:28.480 --> 0:45:32.239
<v Speaker 1>in the boreal yonder of the Yukon Territory, way up there,

0:45:32.760 --> 0:45:37.320
<v Speaker 1>there is a hotel bar with an infamous local tradition

0:45:37.480 --> 0:45:41.120
<v Speaker 1>of bibulation known as the sour toe cocktail. If you

0:45:41.200 --> 0:45:44.480
<v Speaker 1>heard of this, Robert, I don't think I had. And

0:45:44.520 --> 0:45:47.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm already I'm at this point, I'm already

0:45:47.560 --> 0:45:50.960
<v Speaker 1>a little bit afraid because I'm I'm picturing Yukon Territory.

0:45:51.000 --> 0:45:54.839
<v Speaker 1>I'm picturing very rugged individuals here. Uh huh yeah, oh yeah, yeah,

0:45:54.880 --> 0:45:59.799
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of miners, hunters, barge operators, stuff like that.

0:46:00.120 --> 0:46:03.960
<v Speaker 1>So you're probably wondering, sour toe cocktail, Okay, does it

0:46:04.040 --> 0:46:07.520
<v Speaker 1>really contain a toe? And the answer is yes, what

0:46:07.719 --> 0:46:10.320
<v Speaker 1>there's a real toe in it, a human toe. For

0:46:11.600 --> 0:46:15.719
<v Speaker 1>it is a dark, shriveled, mummified piece of toe jerky

0:46:16.560 --> 0:46:20.080
<v Speaker 1>and it goes in your drink for five dollars. Actually,

0:46:20.120 --> 0:46:22.839
<v Speaker 1>that's that was the price in last time. I read

0:46:22.840 --> 0:46:25.319
<v Speaker 1>a newspaper article about it, So the price may have

0:46:25.360 --> 0:46:28.440
<v Speaker 1>been hiked up since then, who knows. But wait, was

0:46:28.440 --> 0:46:30.120
<v Speaker 1>this an old thing or is the current thing does

0:46:30.160 --> 0:46:32.440
<v Speaker 1>the current? You can do this now? Oh okay, I

0:46:32.480 --> 0:46:37.080
<v Speaker 1>thought this was like an old uh you know, frontier beverage. No, no,

0:46:37.080 --> 0:46:39.280
<v Speaker 1>I was willing to give them a little more license.

0:46:39.400 --> 0:46:44.200
<v Speaker 1>Desperate times, uh, wilderness madness setting in, maybe you would

0:46:44.239 --> 0:46:47.239
<v Speaker 1>throw a toe into a beverage for whatever reason. No,

0:46:47.440 --> 0:46:50.520
<v Speaker 1>this is less like the frontier wine with a pound

0:46:50.560 --> 0:46:54.840
<v Speaker 1>of pork lard and more like the ironic chipster bacon cocktail. Now,

0:46:54.920 --> 0:46:58.040
<v Speaker 1>because this started in the nineteen seventies, so you have

0:46:58.120 --> 0:47:00.560
<v Speaker 1>to pay a five dollar toe tag X to have

0:47:00.680 --> 0:47:03.920
<v Speaker 1>this toe added to whatever alcohol you want, presumably whether

0:47:03.960 --> 0:47:07.279
<v Speaker 1>it's four fingers of Yukon jack whiskey or a cranberry

0:47:07.280 --> 0:47:10.360
<v Speaker 1>apple teeny or a glass of champagne. As you will see.

0:47:10.840 --> 0:47:14.000
<v Speaker 1>And the toe goes in your glass of booze, and

0:47:14.080 --> 0:47:18.160
<v Speaker 1>you drink the booze, and then the toe lives on. Uh. So,

0:47:18.239 --> 0:47:21.080
<v Speaker 1>of course I was wondering where did this toe come from? Well,

0:47:21.160 --> 0:47:24.360
<v Speaker 1>Atlas Obscura has an excellent, very short, little history of

0:47:24.400 --> 0:47:27.280
<v Speaker 1>the sour toe that you can look up, but basic

0:47:27.320 --> 0:47:30.640
<v Speaker 1>story goes like this. In nineteen seventy three, a river

0:47:30.719 --> 0:47:34.480
<v Speaker 1>barge pilot named Captain Dick Stevenson, he's cleaning out a

0:47:34.520 --> 0:47:37.840
<v Speaker 1>cabin when he came across an amputated human toe in

0:47:37.880 --> 0:47:41.680
<v Speaker 1>a jar of alcohol. So much is an appropriate place

0:47:41.840 --> 0:47:43.960
<v Speaker 1>to keep it to preserve it? I guess right. So

0:47:44.200 --> 0:47:48.120
<v Speaker 1>supposedly the toe had belonged to a minor named Louis Lichn,

0:47:48.320 --> 0:47:51.320
<v Speaker 1>whose toe became frost bitten sometime in the nineteen twenties

0:47:51.400 --> 0:47:53.319
<v Speaker 1>up in the Yukon, and he had to get it

0:47:53.360 --> 0:47:57.759
<v Speaker 1>amputated and decided to preserve it in this jar of alcohol.

0:47:58.320 --> 0:48:01.360
<v Speaker 1>So after Stevenson found the toe in the jar in

0:48:01.480 --> 0:48:05.399
<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy three, he got this amazing idea to head

0:48:05.400 --> 0:48:08.120
<v Speaker 1>down to the local saloon and start dropping it into

0:48:08.120 --> 0:48:11.560
<v Speaker 1>people's drinks. And those who could bear to drink the

0:48:11.600 --> 0:48:14.440
<v Speaker 1>booze with the toe knocking around in the glass became

0:48:14.480 --> 0:48:19.720
<v Speaker 1>the original members of the Sour Toe Cocktail Club, which

0:48:19.800 --> 0:48:22.560
<v Speaker 1>now more than forty years later, has more than fifty

0:48:22.600 --> 0:48:25.440
<v Speaker 1>thousand members. So if you go up to the Yukon

0:48:25.560 --> 0:48:28.040
<v Speaker 1>Territory and you go to this bar and you order

0:48:28.400 --> 0:48:30.960
<v Speaker 1>the toe, you get a drink, pay the toe tax,

0:48:31.000 --> 0:48:33.160
<v Speaker 1>and get the toe in your drink and you drink it,

0:48:33.640 --> 0:48:36.080
<v Speaker 1>they will give you a certificate of membership that you

0:48:36.120 --> 0:48:38.719
<v Speaker 1>are now in the Sour Toe Club. It's sort of

0:48:38.840 --> 0:48:41.840
<v Speaker 1>local attraction. If you happen to end up in Dawson City,

0:48:42.640 --> 0:48:46.640
<v Speaker 1>there you go. But I know what you're thinking. Has

0:48:46.680 --> 0:48:52.200
<v Speaker 1>anyone ever swallowed the toe several times more than once? So?

0:48:52.239 --> 0:48:56.200
<v Speaker 1>The first time was supposedly in July nineteen eighty, when

0:48:56.239 --> 0:48:59.320
<v Speaker 1>a miner named Gary Younger had been working on his

0:49:00.080 --> 0:49:07.520
<v Speaker 1>thirteen glass of quote Sour Toe champagne. According to the

0:49:07.640 --> 0:49:11.600
<v Speaker 1>Sour Toe Cocktail Club account, this guy's chair tipped over

0:49:11.640 --> 0:49:15.239
<v Speaker 1>backwards and he accidentally swallowed the toe. Now I'm not

0:49:15.280 --> 0:49:17.239
<v Speaker 1>sure if I buy this story, because how do you

0:49:17.360 --> 0:49:21.279
<v Speaker 1>accidentally swallow something as big as a toe from a

0:49:21.400 --> 0:49:25.560
<v Speaker 1>champagne glass? I don't know. But because he's presumably drinking

0:49:25.600 --> 0:49:28.560
<v Speaker 1>it out of the traditional champagne flute, right, so or

0:49:28.600 --> 0:49:30.239
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Maybe in the Yukon you get your

0:49:30.320 --> 0:49:33.560
<v Speaker 1>champagne and a tin cup. I don't know. Of course,

0:49:33.719 --> 0:49:38.080
<v Speaker 1>thirteen glasses in who knows what was going on? Probably yeah,

0:49:38.080 --> 0:49:41.400
<v Speaker 1>probably not in total command of his faculties. So uh,

0:49:41.440 --> 0:49:44.640
<v Speaker 1>this wasn't the only time somebody swallowed the toe. Toes

0:49:44.800 --> 0:49:47.879
<v Speaker 1>keep disappearing, so new ones have to be supplied, and

0:49:48.160 --> 0:49:51.280
<v Speaker 1>uh so. Over the years years a few more toes

0:49:51.360 --> 0:49:54.080
<v Speaker 1>were donated by people who had to have amputations due

0:49:54.120 --> 0:49:57.800
<v Speaker 1>to frost bite, diabetes, and a so called quote inoperable

0:49:57.920 --> 0:50:03.600
<v Speaker 1>corn his drink he keeps getting less and less appetizing um.

0:50:03.640 --> 0:50:06.680
<v Speaker 1>And one donation was apparently an anonymous donation that was

0:50:06.760 --> 0:50:10.399
<v Speaker 1>later stolen from the bar, And in probably the most

0:50:10.440 --> 0:50:13.200
<v Speaker 1>famous toe origin story, one arrived at the bar in

0:50:13.200 --> 0:50:15.680
<v Speaker 1>a jar of alcohol with a note that said, quote,

0:50:16.000 --> 0:50:22.319
<v Speaker 1>don't wear open toe sandals while mowing the lawn. Well,

0:50:22.360 --> 0:50:24.279
<v Speaker 1>it's one way to live, for your toe to live

0:50:24.320 --> 0:50:28.120
<v Speaker 1>on right after it's it's left your body. Yeah, but so.

0:50:28.239 --> 0:50:32.880
<v Speaker 1>More recently, the Toronto Star reports that a man known

0:50:32.960 --> 0:50:37.080
<v Speaker 1>only as quote Josh from New Orleans paid the toe

0:50:37.160 --> 0:50:40.480
<v Speaker 1>tax to have the toe deposited in his glass of whiskey.

0:50:40.719 --> 0:50:43.080
<v Speaker 1>And at the time there was a five hundred dollar

0:50:43.160 --> 0:50:46.759
<v Speaker 1>fee for accidentally swallowing the toe, and Josh from New

0:50:46.920 --> 0:50:50.279
<v Speaker 1>Orleans just popped the toe in his mouth and down

0:50:50.280 --> 0:50:53.439
<v Speaker 1>it went, and he immediately paid the five hundred dollar

0:50:53.520 --> 0:50:57.120
<v Speaker 1>fee in cash and walked out of the barn. And

0:50:58.520 --> 0:51:01.360
<v Speaker 1>last last tidbit about this, apparently, when you order the

0:51:01.360 --> 0:51:05.359
<v Speaker 1>toe the bartender recites a magical incantation to steal you

0:51:05.520 --> 0:51:09.080
<v Speaker 1>for your journey of death and alcohol, and it goes.

0:51:09.320 --> 0:51:12.000
<v Speaker 1>You can drink it fast, you can drink it slow,

0:51:12.600 --> 0:51:17.839
<v Speaker 1>but your lips must touch the toe. I can see

0:51:17.880 --> 0:51:19.400
<v Speaker 1>this is really good to you. Robert. Do you have

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<v Speaker 1>a mummified toe thing? I don't know. It just seems

0:51:24.320 --> 0:51:27.680
<v Speaker 1>it well, I mean, it seems rather unnecessary, but it

0:51:27.840 --> 0:51:31.160
<v Speaker 1>just not particularly appetizing. I guess. I don't know. I'm

0:51:31.160 --> 0:51:35.560
<v Speaker 1>just imagining this shriveled mummified toe just knocking against your

0:51:35.600 --> 0:51:37.360
<v Speaker 1>lips as you're trying to down it, kind of like

0:51:37.400 --> 0:51:39.600
<v Speaker 1>a like a like a like just any kind of

0:51:39.640 --> 0:51:42.040
<v Speaker 1>a garnish and a drink that you're not ready to consume.

0:51:42.160 --> 0:51:45.680
<v Speaker 1>Except it's the It's the worst possible Marischino Cherry. I

0:51:45.760 --> 0:51:47.920
<v Speaker 1>have no evidence that they actually did this, but my

0:51:48.040 --> 0:51:50.560
<v Speaker 1>idea is they should use it in place of an

0:51:50.560 --> 0:51:53.200
<v Speaker 1>ice cube, so they should freeze it so it's always cold,

0:51:53.400 --> 0:51:55.799
<v Speaker 1>and then when it gets plopped into your God, I

0:51:55.840 --> 0:51:58.279
<v Speaker 1>just assumed it was frozen. I would I would hope

0:51:58.280 --> 0:52:01.080
<v Speaker 1>it would be frozen. I don't know. I've seen pictures

0:52:01.080 --> 0:52:03.120
<v Speaker 1>of it, and it looks like it's room temperature, but

0:52:03.520 --> 0:52:06.240
<v Speaker 1>it's hard to tell. It's well, it's like stored in salt.

0:52:06.360 --> 0:52:08.239
<v Speaker 1>I think I've seen pictures of it in a jar

0:52:08.320 --> 0:52:12.319
<v Speaker 1>of salt. I guess to keep it desiccated and mummified. Huh.

0:52:12.400 --> 0:52:16.040
<v Speaker 1>I would love to to see or hear anyone describe

0:52:16.120 --> 0:52:18.759
<v Speaker 1>how it affects the flavor profile. If it does it all,

0:52:18.760 --> 0:52:22.200
<v Speaker 1>it could just be pure psychology of the thing, which

0:52:22.239 --> 0:52:24.359
<v Speaker 1>is kind of right, because ultimately, like which is worse

0:52:24.400 --> 0:52:29.120
<v Speaker 1>for your body, swallowing one dead human toe or drinking

0:52:29.160 --> 0:52:32.000
<v Speaker 1>thirteen glasses of champagne in a row, I would argue

0:52:32.080 --> 0:52:35.759
<v Speaker 1>that the champagne is actually worse for you, probably probably so.

0:52:35.920 --> 0:52:37.879
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I guess it depends on what's in the toe.

0:52:38.239 --> 0:52:40.879
<v Speaker 1>All right, we have just I certainly cannot top that

0:52:41.280 --> 0:52:44.600
<v Speaker 1>at all. We have just a few more nefarious spirits

0:52:44.640 --> 0:52:50.720
<v Speaker 1>to mention. One comes from uh cubab from piper cube eba,

0:52:50.800 --> 0:52:52.920
<v Speaker 1>a member of the pepper family. It produces a fruit

0:52:53.239 --> 0:52:56.960
<v Speaker 1>that wind dried resembles black pepper as a pungent, biting

0:52:57.040 --> 0:53:01.160
<v Speaker 1>flavor that comes from high levels of lemoning, which is

0:53:01.200 --> 0:53:03.960
<v Speaker 1>a flavor foundain citrus and herbs. And you'll find it

0:53:04.000 --> 0:53:06.320
<v Speaker 1>as an ingredient in various gins these days as well,

0:53:06.920 --> 0:53:10.800
<v Speaker 1>but it has a medicinal and even magical history. The

0:53:11.120 --> 0:53:15.320
<v Speaker 1>Victorians had cubeb cigarettes that were supposed to help you

0:53:15.360 --> 0:53:19.080
<v Speaker 1>with your asthma. Yeah, and most exciting of all, seventeenth

0:53:19.120 --> 0:53:25.799
<v Speaker 1>century Italian priest and exorcist Ludovico Maria Sinistari employed a

0:53:25.920 --> 0:53:32.279
<v Speaker 1>brandy tonic flavored with cubab, cardaman, nutmeg, birthwartz, aloe, and

0:53:32.400 --> 0:53:35.120
<v Speaker 1>various other roots and spices. So if you're looking to

0:53:35.160 --> 0:53:39.840
<v Speaker 1>banish demons with your cocktail, take note. All right, Another

0:53:39.880 --> 0:53:43.120
<v Speaker 1>interesting concoction comes from, and this is another example from

0:53:43.120 --> 0:53:47.759
<v Speaker 1>the drunken botanist, is uh uh Damiana, which is from

0:53:47.840 --> 0:53:51.840
<v Speaker 1>the plant turned era diffusea. So this is a Mexican

0:53:51.840 --> 0:53:55.399
<v Speaker 1>shrub produces yellow flowers and small fruits, and it's long

0:53:55.480 --> 0:54:00.560
<v Speaker 1>been reputed to have afrodisiac properties. So now teenth century

0:54:00.560 --> 0:54:04.360
<v Speaker 1>physicians prescribed it to female patients to promote orgasm, and

0:54:04.360 --> 0:54:07.160
<v Speaker 1>a two thousand nine studies saw that it quotes sexually

0:54:07.160 --> 0:54:10.600
<v Speaker 1>exhausted male rats. What does that mean? They just they

0:54:10.680 --> 0:54:15.600
<v Speaker 1>just kept they made of them so eager to perform

0:54:15.840 --> 0:54:20.360
<v Speaker 1>that it exhausted them. That's intense, so it seemed to

0:54:20.360 --> 0:54:25.000
<v Speaker 1>have afro daz ac effects on the road. In nineteen

0:54:25.040 --> 0:54:28.120
<v Speaker 1>o eight, the FEDS confiscated a shipment of so called

0:54:28.640 --> 0:54:33.239
<v Speaker 1>Damiana gin and found that it contains strict nine. Yeah. So,

0:54:33.400 --> 0:54:35.080
<v Speaker 1>and this seems to be more a matter of like

0:54:35.120 --> 0:54:40.000
<v Speaker 1>just illicit, just a poorly made and poisonous substance that

0:54:40.120 --> 0:54:43.120
<v Speaker 1>was that someone was trying to sell. But there have

0:54:43.160 --> 0:54:46.040
<v Speaker 1>been no human studies that that I'm aware of or

0:54:46.040 --> 0:54:49.759
<v Speaker 1>the steward was aware of regarding it's it's human use.

0:54:50.560 --> 0:54:53.240
<v Speaker 1>But it's a legal food additive. You can even find

0:54:53.239 --> 0:54:58.120
<v Speaker 1>a Mexican herbal decur called Damiana and it's sold in

0:54:58.200 --> 0:55:02.400
<v Speaker 1>like a fertility goddess kind of bottle. So if anyone

0:55:02.400 --> 0:55:04.080
<v Speaker 1>out there has tried that one, we would love to

0:55:04.120 --> 0:55:07.799
<v Speaker 1>hear from you as well. Now, finally, before we take

0:55:07.840 --> 0:55:11.040
<v Speaker 1>a break, I want to mention real quick, cannabis cocktails

0:55:11.080 --> 0:55:14.480
<v Speaker 1>to move back to this schedule one narcotic Well, of

0:55:14.520 --> 0:55:18.200
<v Speaker 1>course somebody has made that, yeah, but but is there, like,

0:55:19.360 --> 0:55:21.000
<v Speaker 1>is there a i don't know what you call it,

0:55:21.080 --> 0:55:26.759
<v Speaker 1>a legitimately produced version somewhere out there. Well, unsurprisingly, there

0:55:26.760 --> 0:55:29.560
<v Speaker 1>are a few cannabis liqueurs on the market. But the

0:55:29.600 --> 0:55:31.600
<v Speaker 1>major example of these tend to be seemed to be

0:55:31.680 --> 0:55:35.520
<v Speaker 1>flavor only, so they've captured the flavor profile of the cannabis,

0:55:35.560 --> 0:55:39.560
<v Speaker 1>but but none of the actual th HC. Part of

0:55:39.600 --> 0:55:42.200
<v Speaker 1>this probably is that in terms of making a th

0:55:42.440 --> 0:55:46.600
<v Speaker 1>HC laden cocktail, it's super easy tip to do. Uh.

0:55:46.800 --> 0:55:48.480
<v Speaker 1>So all you have to do is make a simple

0:55:48.480 --> 0:55:52.840
<v Speaker 1>syrup from cannabis. Cannabis simple syrup heat activates the th

0:55:53.000 --> 0:55:55.400
<v Speaker 1>HC kind of in the same way that people use

0:55:55.480 --> 0:55:58.640
<v Speaker 1>th HC butter to make brownies. Really, this is the

0:55:58.719 --> 0:56:01.879
<v Speaker 1>kind of thing you can find recipes for wherever you

0:56:01.960 --> 0:56:06.000
<v Speaker 1>find your marijuana related recipes. Uh. In the syrup enables

0:56:06.040 --> 0:56:08.640
<v Speaker 1>you to create a whole host of of drinks. For instance,

0:56:08.680 --> 0:56:12.040
<v Speaker 1>I found a recipe for a Malibu Malibu mule, which

0:56:12.120 --> 0:56:15.280
<v Speaker 1>is I think essentially you know a Moscow mule except

0:56:15.440 --> 0:56:19.600
<v Speaker 1>using the syrup and you And also specialty shops, especially

0:56:19.640 --> 0:56:23.799
<v Speaker 1>in California and Colorado, uh, they often sell th HC

0:56:24.120 --> 0:56:27.200
<v Speaker 1>lemonades or juices. So there you go. If you if

0:56:27.200 --> 0:56:31.239
<v Speaker 1>you desire that and it's a legally permitted avenue for you,

0:56:31.680 --> 0:56:34.799
<v Speaker 1>then the means are out there. I wonder what it's

0:56:34.840 --> 0:56:37.000
<v Speaker 1>like to work at one of the companies that produces

0:56:37.040 --> 0:56:40.319
<v Speaker 1>these products. I don't know, you mean just in like

0:56:40.400 --> 0:56:43.279
<v Speaker 1>th HC laden products or just the I don't know.

0:56:43.360 --> 0:56:44.960
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if you reach a point where you feel

0:56:45.000 --> 0:56:50.440
<v Speaker 1>like you've you've you've reached peak creativity for for marijuana

0:56:50.480 --> 0:56:53.759
<v Speaker 1>based food products, Like, at what point do you realize, Oh,

0:56:53.800 --> 0:56:56.640
<v Speaker 1>I just I just created a recipe for th HC

0:56:57.040 --> 0:57:00.120
<v Speaker 1>lasagna and now I feel a little hollow inside. Well,

0:57:00.160 --> 0:57:03.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I wonder so if at some point, uh,

0:57:03.440 --> 0:57:08.520
<v Speaker 1>cannabis becomes widely legal or just regulated in the same

0:57:08.560 --> 0:57:11.160
<v Speaker 1>way that tobacco products are now or something like that,

0:57:11.680 --> 0:57:15.840
<v Speaker 1>eventually does the appeal of this kind of stuff go away?

0:57:16.600 --> 0:57:21.080
<v Speaker 1>Is this basically all just like novelty celebration and bacon. Yeah,

0:57:21.080 --> 0:57:24.640
<v Speaker 1>where this is recently legalized and that you wouldn't have

0:57:24.760 --> 0:57:28.520
<v Speaker 1>maybe much more in the realm of cannabis inspired drinks,

0:57:29.000 --> 0:57:30.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, a hundred years down the road than you

0:57:30.840 --> 0:57:34.520
<v Speaker 1>have now this one tobacco liqueur made by what was

0:57:34.560 --> 0:57:37.800
<v Speaker 1>it some company in France. Yeah. Well, it comes down

0:57:37.800 --> 0:57:40.520
<v Speaker 1>to the fact, right that, uh, if something is illegal,

0:57:40.560 --> 0:57:43.280
<v Speaker 1>if it's prohibited, that just makes it all the more alluring.

0:57:43.560 --> 0:57:50.600
<v Speaker 1>And sometimes you find yourself craving a particular substance purely

0:57:50.640 --> 0:57:54.120
<v Speaker 1>because it is forbidden, like it just enhances its mythology. Well,

0:57:54.240 --> 0:57:58.040
<v Speaker 1>speaking of the forbidden, I thought that we could not

0:57:58.160 --> 0:58:03.760
<v Speaker 1>do an episode about the strange scientific avenues in drink making, mixology,

0:58:03.840 --> 0:58:07.440
<v Speaker 1>cocktails and liquor without taking a look at the green ferry.

0:58:07.960 --> 0:58:10.000
<v Speaker 1>So we should take a break and when we come

0:58:10.000 --> 0:58:19.360
<v Speaker 1>back we will talk about absinthe. So absently you've had,

0:58:19.400 --> 0:58:23.320
<v Speaker 1>You've had absence before, Yeah, yeah, I recently had the

0:58:23.440 --> 0:58:27.160
<v Speaker 1>absinthe service at a local restaurant here in town in Atlanta,

0:58:27.320 --> 0:58:32.360
<v Speaker 1>the kimble House restaurant. It is absolutely wonderful if you're

0:58:32.360 --> 0:58:35.560
<v Speaker 1>if you're around Atlanta, especially in the Decatur area. Kimble

0:58:35.560 --> 0:58:38.320
<v Speaker 1>House is amazing. But they have a sort of old

0:58:38.320 --> 0:58:41.480
<v Speaker 1>timey bar that celebrates the traditions where they will do

0:58:41.560 --> 0:58:44.520
<v Speaker 1>an absence service, where they will serve it up in

0:58:44.520 --> 0:58:46.640
<v Speaker 1>the traditional way, which we can describe in a minute,

0:58:46.640 --> 0:58:49.400
<v Speaker 1>I guess. But I would say maybe more than any

0:58:49.440 --> 0:58:53.720
<v Speaker 1>other liquor, absinthe is a drink that is totally surrounded

0:58:53.720 --> 0:58:57.160
<v Speaker 1>in myth I remember when I was in college, I

0:58:57.240 --> 0:58:59.400
<v Speaker 1>was once at a party where some guys were talking

0:58:59.440 --> 0:59:01.520
<v Speaker 1>about time a friend of theirs who had been in

0:59:01.520 --> 0:59:05.120
<v Speaker 1>the military had brought a bottle of absinthe back from overseas,

0:59:05.120 --> 0:59:07.040
<v Speaker 1>and this was at a time when absinthe was still

0:59:07.160 --> 0:59:11.400
<v Speaker 1>banned in the United States, and they claimed that when

0:59:11.400 --> 0:59:15.360
<v Speaker 1>they drank this, this green liquor, they entered a state

0:59:15.560 --> 0:59:19.200
<v Speaker 1>of green hallucinations. I remember one of them mentioning swimming

0:59:19.240 --> 0:59:24.240
<v Speaker 1>through green tunnels, and I was like, I don't know

0:59:24.280 --> 0:59:27.160
<v Speaker 1>if I believe that. But in the widespread version of

0:59:27.200 --> 0:59:30.520
<v Speaker 1>this story that you just substitute a person for a place,

0:59:30.600 --> 0:59:33.160
<v Speaker 1>and you can read about this everywhere. Absinthe allows one

0:59:33.520 --> 0:59:38.120
<v Speaker 1>to visit her majesty, the green fairy. So is there

0:59:38.200 --> 0:59:41.800
<v Speaker 1>anything to this, to this idea that absinthe is more

0:59:41.920 --> 0:59:45.760
<v Speaker 1>than just another alcoholic beverage, that it has these advanced

0:59:45.920 --> 0:59:51.240
<v Speaker 1>drug like properties causing hallucinations or or these also very

0:59:51.280 --> 0:59:57.520
<v Speaker 1>common negative reported qualities like uh, causing seizures or convulsions

0:59:57.640 --> 1:00:01.200
<v Speaker 1>or all this other stuff. Yeah, it really, it really

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<v Speaker 1>had that reputation for the longest until it was it

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<v Speaker 1>was finally legalized again in the US. Yeah, and so this, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>this mythology is very much a part of what absence

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<v Speaker 1>profile and character is. But we should take a look

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<v Speaker 1>at the science behind it. So, so what is absinthe. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>absinthe is a distilled liquor, usually a very strong one,

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<v Speaker 1>made by combining alcohol with wormwood. And that's a type

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<v Speaker 1>of plant green annis finnel like Florence finnel, and other

1:00:33.560 --> 1:00:37.560
<v Speaker 1>herbs and flowers like hiss up and lemon balm. And

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<v Speaker 1>the exact origins of absinthe as we know it now

1:00:40.520 --> 1:00:43.960
<v Speaker 1>are unclear by most accounts. It was invented sometime the

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<v Speaker 1>late seventeen DS, probably seventeen nineties, and the distiller per

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<v Speaker 1>Node produced its first commercial absinthe in eighteen o five,

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<v Speaker 1>which is when I think we should consider the birth

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<v Speaker 1>of the absinthe era. But uh, let's take a look

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<v Speaker 1>at those ingredients. So wormwood, that is an interesting name. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it brings to mind the Book of Revelation. Right, it

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<v Speaker 1>makes me think, doesn't C. S. Lewis have a novel

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<v Speaker 1>has a wormwood character? And in the screw Tape letters,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe he's writing to Wormwood, a lower subordinate demon,

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<v Speaker 1>and advising him on corrupting of a mortal soul. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>so wormwood is a good name for a for a demon,

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, yeah, it already implies some sort of

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<v Speaker 1>illicit magical quality. But wormwood is just a plant. It's

1:01:29.160 --> 1:01:34.200
<v Speaker 1>the the Artemisia absinthium, and it's the famed central ingredient

1:01:34.320 --> 1:01:37.680
<v Speaker 1>in absinthe and the one that would be later singled

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<v Speaker 1>out in the supposed case against absinthe as more poison

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<v Speaker 1>or more drug than than liquor. Now, it's worth noting

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<v Speaker 1>that vermouth is derived. The word vermouth is revived from vermut,

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<v Speaker 1>the German word for wormwood, and the original Vermouth's would

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<v Speaker 1>have contained this in some quantity. And going back to

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<v Speaker 1>the ingredi and so you mentioned earlier, the taste of

1:02:03.520 --> 1:02:06.160
<v Speaker 1>absinthe has far more to do with the annis in

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<v Speaker 1>it as opposed to the wormwood itself. Yeah, I've heard

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<v Speaker 1>that wormwood itself has a more mental like taste and scent. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And so it's basically covered up for the most part

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<v Speaker 1>by this, this liquorice taste. Now, the ancient Egyptians used

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<v Speaker 1>wormwood in wines and spirits. The the Ebber's Papyrus from

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<v Speaker 1>around fifteen hundred b C. And this might have been

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<v Speaker 1>a copy of an earlier work, recommends wormwood spirits to

1:02:34.720 --> 1:02:39.640
<v Speaker 1>treat round worm infections and digestive problems. Chinese medicinal wines

1:02:39.680 --> 1:02:42.720
<v Speaker 1>of the same era also featured wormwood, and we know

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<v Speaker 1>this from chemical analysis of drinking vessels that archaeologists have uncovered.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's also worth pointing out you're talking about the

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<v Speaker 1>timeline of absinthe in the Golden Age of absinthe. Uh one.

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<v Speaker 1>Bridge points out that absence was sold in New Orleans

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<v Speaker 1>by eighteen thirty seven, in New York by eighteen forty three,

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<v Speaker 1>but it took a while to make its way into

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<v Speaker 1>a true cocktail. It was something he merely dashed in

1:03:04.720 --> 1:03:07.240
<v Speaker 1>a cocktail, kind of like how if anyone's had a

1:03:07.680 --> 1:03:12.720
<v Speaker 1>proper Sasarak Chris Fame New Orleans drink, there's a there's

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<v Speaker 1>an absent wash of the glass before the drink is poured,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's it's it's It was like a bitter You

1:03:19.200 --> 1:03:22.080
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't you wouldn't just fill up a cocktail glass with it.

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<v Speaker 1>You would just have a dash of it for flavoring.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, while it wasn't the central ingredient, and a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of cocktails, there was of course a ton of

1:03:31.120 --> 1:03:35.240
<v Speaker 1>just straight drinking of absinthe right rights with water and

1:03:35.240 --> 1:03:39.080
<v Speaker 1>sugar in the traditional preparation. Yeah, now wonder which he

1:03:39.120 --> 1:03:41.520
<v Speaker 1>says that by eight seventy though, that's when you saw

1:03:41.600 --> 1:03:46.320
<v Speaker 1>absent cocktails as a thing. So the absent frope, which

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<v Speaker 1>was absent shaken with a lot of ice and then

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<v Speaker 1>strained into a glass. Now, Wondridge points out that according

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<v Speaker 1>to a writer by the name of Clarence Louis Cullen,

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<v Speaker 1>another member of the Sporting Fraternity, he thought that that

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<v Speaker 1>the the absent frope was just the right drink to

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<v Speaker 1>have a first thing in the morning when you've got quote,

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<v Speaker 1>a head the size of a bird cage and a

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<v Speaker 1>mouth that smelled like a motorman's glove. So it would

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<v Speaker 1>have been the perfect hangover cure. I guess, uh, yeah

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<v Speaker 1>that I don't know the idea. I mean, all of

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<v Speaker 1>moralization on what people should and shouldn't drink aside, I

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<v Speaker 1>think the idea of curing a hangover with more alcohol

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<v Speaker 1>is just disgusting. I would agree that tends to be

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<v Speaker 1>my read on the situation as well, that the hair

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<v Speaker 1>of the dog and all that. But but hey, for

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<v Speaker 1>whatever reason, people consume them. The absent rope was popular.

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<v Speaker 1>There were even songs about it. Yeah, I actually had

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<v Speaker 1>to look up the the Absinthe Frappe, a song that

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<v Speaker 1>was referenced in wond Rich's book, and I found the

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<v Speaker 1>lyrics lyrics by Glenn McDonough. I think this was from

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<v Speaker 1>a Broadway play. And so the song is about the

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<v Speaker 1>Absinthe Frappe, and the lyrics go, it will free you

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<v Speaker 1>first from the burning thirst that is born of a

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<v Speaker 1>night of the bowl, like a sun twel rise through

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<v Speaker 1>the inky skies that so heavily hang over your soul.

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<v Speaker 1>At the first cool sip on your fevored lip, you

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<v Speaker 1>determined to live through the day. Life's again worthwhile. As

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<v Speaker 1>with a dawning smile, you imbibe your absinthe Frappe. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's given a little too much credit to the

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<v Speaker 1>to the drink. I think so that feels a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit a little bit like marketing. Yeah, but anyway, so yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so you said absence was being adopted in the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>Absence drinking was very popular, especially in France. In the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteenth century. It became very fashionable in Europe, especially France

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<v Speaker 1>and Switzerland. Famous artists and intellectuals were notorious absence drinkers.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, of French poets like Baudelaire and rambeau Verlaine.

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<v Speaker 1>In an eighteen sixty pamphlet by Henri Ballesta called Absinthe

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<v Speaker 1>at Absinthe Tours, he calls these types of people, quote

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<v Speaker 1>the brilliant young men on the boulevard who were the

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<v Speaker 1>absinthe drinkers. You know, these were the people who were

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<v Speaker 1>out there making absinthe cool. And it was also reportedly

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<v Speaker 1>popular with Oscar Wilde and continental artists like Van Gogh.

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<v Speaker 1>Did I say I've always my whole life, said van

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<v Speaker 1>Go And now I'm retraining to say van Gogh. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>is that the preferred pronunciation? Is it? I thought I

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<v Speaker 1>thought I heard you say it that way one time. No,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe I coughed a little bit. I thought it was

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<v Speaker 1>van Go. I've been saying van Go. I I grew

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<v Speaker 1>up saying van Go. We have to let you know.

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<v Speaker 1>We just looked it up and it's and it's. The

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<v Speaker 1>Internet says it's Vincent van holl Okay, Well, I think

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<v Speaker 1>I might just stick to van Go for simplicity. Set Okay, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>according to Amy Stewart in The Drunken Botanist, well I

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<v Speaker 1>thought this was really interesting. One explanation for the explosion

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<v Speaker 1>of popularity of absinthe in Europe in the nineteenth century

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<v Speaker 1>can actually be traced to a plant parasite. Anytime there's

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<v Speaker 1>a good parasite story, we gotta do it on stuff

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<v Speaker 1>up your mind. So it is the Philoxera pest or

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<v Speaker 1>Daktulos fira vitifolia, and so none other than Thomas Jefferson,

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<v Speaker 1>that Thomas Jefferson, not some other. Thomas Jefferson had tried

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<v Speaker 1>to cultivate both native American and imported European grape varieties

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<v Speaker 1>for making wine within the United States, and neither of

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<v Speaker 1>them worked. The vineyards were just no good. And the

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<v Speaker 1>reason for this, Stewart says, is that the American varieties

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<v Speaker 1>failed because they just don't make good wine, and the

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<v Speaker 1>European varieties failed because, unlike the sturdy, resistant American grape vines,

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<v Speaker 1>the delicate European grape vines were susceptible to attacks from

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<v Speaker 1>a tiny insect much like the apid that was only

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<v Speaker 1>found in the Americas, and this is philox Era. And unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>before anybody knew about this, the Americans had made gifts

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<v Speaker 1>of native American grape vines sent them to France, and

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<v Speaker 1>much like a deadly spider hiding in a bag of bananas.

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<v Speaker 1>The philox A repast was thus lee imported to Europe

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<v Speaker 1>and they laid waste to a vast new landscape of

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<v Speaker 1>maladapted grapes. And as a result, the French wine making

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<v Speaker 1>industry was severely damaged and and production was limited throughout

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteenth century. Well, so Frenchmen were deprived of their

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<v Speaker 1>wine right. And this this mattered because wine was seen

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<v Speaker 1>by them as as like a you know, a drink

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<v Speaker 1>of rectitude. It's a family drink, it's a moral drink,

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<v Speaker 1>it's an upstanding and civilized drink. These other drinks like absinthe,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe not so much. But anyway, Suart claims that it's

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<v Speaker 1>because of this severe shortage of wine due to the

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<v Speaker 1>parasite infestation that absinthe became the drink of choice in

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<v Speaker 1>cafes in France in the nineteenth century, feeding this surge

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<v Speaker 1>in absence consumption that culminated in the late eighteen hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>in early nineteen hundreds. So the idea here's this kind

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<v Speaker 1>of forced the birth of absent culture because people had

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<v Speaker 1>to embrace it to a certain degree and then kind

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<v Speaker 1>of stuck with it. Right, But absent, like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>was not viewed as this, you know, family values kind

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<v Speaker 1>of drink like wine was. And so there were plenty

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<v Speaker 1>of people spreading a message of fear and suspicion about

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<v Speaker 1>the Green Titania. And I want to read one quote

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<v Speaker 1>because I think it's amazing from a New York Times

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<v Speaker 1>article about absentthe They had an absent scare piece running

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<v Speaker 1>in December eighteen eighty New York Times. Yeah, so here

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<v Speaker 1>it goes. Quote. A French physician of eminence has recently

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<v Speaker 1>declared that it is ten times more pernicious than ordinary intemperance,

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<v Speaker 1>meaning ordinary alcohol, and that it very seldom happens that

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<v Speaker 1>the habit, once fixed, can be unloosed. The same authority

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<v Speaker 1>says that the increase of insanity is largely due to

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<v Speaker 1>absentthe I didn't even know there was an increase in

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<v Speaker 1>insanity around eighteen eighty, but can tinuing it exercises a

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<v Speaker 1>deadly fascination, the source of which scientists have vainly tried

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<v Speaker 1>to discover, although they have no trouble ascertaining it's terrible effects.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a moderate use speedily acts on the entire nervous

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<v Speaker 1>system in general, and the brain, in particular, in which

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<v Speaker 1>it induces organic changes with accompanying derangement of all the

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<v Speaker 1>mental powers. The habitual drinker becomes at first dull, languid,

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<v Speaker 1>is soon completely brutalized, and then goes raving mad. He

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<v Speaker 1>has at last holy or partially paralyzed, unless, as often happens,

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<v Speaker 1>disordered liver and stomach brings a quicker end. Was this

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<v Speaker 1>your experience at kimble House? No, though, I though to

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<v Speaker 1>be fair, I I am not a frequenter of absinthe cafes,

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<v Speaker 1>and I guess this is referring to chronic use. These

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<v Speaker 1>would be the absent themes which I would admit. Chronic

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<v Speaker 1>use of absinthe. You know, drinking a lot of absence

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<v Speaker 1>regularly probably does produce some very bad effects in people.

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<v Speaker 1>But maybe it's not the absinthe. Uh, maybe it's not

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<v Speaker 1>the absinthe in particular. We can look at the details

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<v Speaker 1>of this. So fear of this condition called quote absinthe

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<v Speaker 1>is um believed to be separate from and worse than

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<v Speaker 1>regular alcoholism, spread throughout these temperance minded circles in Europe,

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<v Speaker 1>and at the time there also seemed to be scientific

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<v Speaker 1>evidence backing this up. For example, the work of the

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<v Speaker 1>French physician Valentine Magnon. According to one two nine review

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<v Speaker 1>of Magnon's work, he found that this alcohol soluble component

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<v Speaker 1>that existed in wormwood did cause a lot of bad things,

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<v Speaker 1>including lapses of consciousness, myoclonic jerks, and tonic clonic convulsions

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<v Speaker 1>in animals. So what was that component? While it was

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<v Speaker 1>the natural plant essence found in wormwood known as thusion.

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<v Speaker 1>More on that compound in a bit. But in addition

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<v Speaker 1>looking at what caused this anti absinthe attitude, there were

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<v Speaker 1>the called absinthe murders. Now there are multiple versions of

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<v Speaker 1>this story reporting slightly different details, and the one I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna I'm gonna use comes from an article in Distillations magazine,

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<v Speaker 1>which is published by the Chemical Heritage Foundation. But according

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<v Speaker 1>to this version, in August nineteen o five, in the

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<v Speaker 1>village of Communie, Switzerland, a French born laborer named Jean

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<v Speaker 1>Lamfrey was getting ready for a day of hard work

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<v Speaker 1>at a local vineyard and around daybreak he had a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of shots of absinthe before heading off to work.

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<v Speaker 1>But Launfrey wasn't done, he was just getting started. At lunch,

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<v Speaker 1>he had six classes of wine. Then he had another

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<v Speaker 1>glass of wine before heading home. On the way home,

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<v Speaker 1>he snagged a black coffee with brandy. Then when he

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<v Speaker 1>got home, he had another leader of wine. Then Launfrey

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<v Speaker 1>got into an argument with his what with his wife,

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<v Speaker 1>and tragically he became enraged and he shot her with

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<v Speaker 1>a rifle, and then he shot his two daughters. Now

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<v Speaker 1>it's a horrible crime. The tale gets significantly less funny

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<v Speaker 1>the right there and right, But the lesson a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people apparently took away from it was that absinthe

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<v Speaker 1>that must have messed him up. Obviously, if you're like me,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll you'll regard this as a kind of absurd conclusion,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it seems like there is at least one other

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<v Speaker 1>major factor at play, maybe alcohol um. But so these

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<v Speaker 1>forces combined, like the research on the effects of absinthe

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<v Speaker 1>done by people like Magnon, and these stories of these crimes.

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<v Speaker 1>There were some other crimes I think that were attributed

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<v Speaker 1>to absent There was some kind of axe or hatchet

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<v Speaker 1>murderer I think that was referred to as an absinthe murder.

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<v Speaker 1>And they combined into this whirlwind of anti absinthe public

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<v Speaker 1>sentiment that eventually led to the banning of absinthe in

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<v Speaker 1>the United States and much of Europe starting around nineteen fifteen,

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<v Speaker 1>and that lasted for nearly a century. So what is

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<v Speaker 1>all the fuss about, Like, what what's actually going on

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<v Speaker 1>in absinthe and in the wormwood plant? And wasn't justifying

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<v Speaker 1>all of this backlash? So we mentioned though jone the

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<v Speaker 1>compound though jone is an organic compound found in wormwood,

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<v Speaker 1>but also found in herbs like sage, So if you

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<v Speaker 1>ever made sage stuffing there, you might be getting some

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<v Speaker 1>through jane there. Uh. And the modern scientific consensus affirms

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<v Speaker 1>that it can be toxic at large doses, primarily acting

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<v Speaker 1>as a convulsant and also being associated with kidney failure,

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<v Speaker 1>so it can cause convulsions. Uh. And this might be

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<v Speaker 1>related to the fact that it was, you know, accused

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<v Speaker 1>of being a cause of epilepsy. At great enough concentrations,

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<v Speaker 1>it could also lead to death. There are a couple isomers.

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<v Speaker 1>There's alpha though jone and beta though Jane without the

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<v Speaker 1>alpha isomer being the more toxic of the two. And

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<v Speaker 1>the primary method of action in the body is that

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<v Speaker 1>attacks the nervous system by inhibiting the activation of GABBA receptors.

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<v Speaker 1>But is through Jane really to blame for the so

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<v Speaker 1>called effects of absynthei is um and all of these

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<v Speaker 1>mythological accusations that absence could cause hallucinations and other stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like that. Yeah, I think the mythology of it is

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<v Speaker 1>worth keeping in mind at all times. Kind of getting

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<v Speaker 1>back to the whole marketing of the cocktail. To what

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<v Speaker 1>extent does I mean you're already drinking, but then if

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<v Speaker 1>there's this mystical quality involved, does it give you license

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<v Speaker 1>to engage and maybe a little more um inappropriate behavior

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<v Speaker 1>than normal. There's a there's a quote that I run

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<v Speaker 1>across before that I always got to kick out of

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<v Speaker 1>from Ernest Hemingway. He said, got tight last night on

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<v Speaker 1>absentthe and did knife tricks, great success, shooting the knife

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<v Speaker 1>into the piano. The woodworms are so bad and eat

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<v Speaker 1>hell out of all furniture. And you can always claim

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<v Speaker 1>the woodworms did it. There you go. You can always

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<v Speaker 1>claim the woodworms did it. You can always say, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the wormwood, it's the it's the absinthe that's responsible.

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<v Speaker 1>I think tight is a euphemism that we should bring

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<v Speaker 1>back for for drunkenness. Yeah, I think so too. I

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<v Speaker 1>can I can just easily imagin gen the the violent

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<v Speaker 1>tightness of the the absent drinkers psyche. I remember tight

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<v Speaker 1>also being the drunkenness euphemism used in some classic memo.

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<v Speaker 1>Or remember reading about Winston Churchill or his his generals

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<v Speaker 1>in World War two or something. We're talking about how

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<v Speaker 1>Winston was quite tight last night when it was giving

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<v Speaker 1>us our strategy. So myths aside, modern research shows that wormwood,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, isn't really quite that bad. So yes, the

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<v Speaker 1>jone can be dangerous compound at high levels. It can

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<v Speaker 1>cast seizure and death at high doses, but there's actually

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<v Speaker 1>very little of it in absinthe and other liqueurs. Most

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<v Speaker 1>of the tales of absinthe fuel madness probably come from

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that there's just a high alcohol content in

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<v Speaker 1>absence is compared to other, um, other other alcohols out there.

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<v Speaker 1>It was traditionally bottled at a b V, so that's

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<v Speaker 1>twice as alcoholic as your common gen So you the

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<v Speaker 1>scare piece of New York Times, I think it said

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<v Speaker 1>that it was ten times as dangerous as normal alcohol.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you can without quibbling on how you you factor

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<v Speaker 1>the numbers here, I think you could say it's at

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<v Speaker 1>least twice as dangerous as normal alcohol, because it's twice

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<v Speaker 1>as strong as most alcohols that would have been up

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<v Speaker 1>there on the bar for your perusal. But then again,

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<v Speaker 1>the traditional preparation about of absinthe as it served in

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<v Speaker 1>the French cafes was to dilute it, that's right. And

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<v Speaker 1>so if you're diluting it, I wouldn't even say it goes.

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<v Speaker 1>It goes as far as the alcohol concentration, and it

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<v Speaker 1>would would lead you to believe, because so the traditional

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<v Speaker 1>UH production is you get this glass, it's got specially

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<v Speaker 1>shaped glass back to these special glasses and making an

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<v Speaker 1>event out of it. It's got this kind of bulge

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<v Speaker 1>in the bottom, and your absence goes down in the

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<v Speaker 1>bulge at the bottom, and then you put a slotted

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<v Speaker 1>spoon on the top of the glass with a sugar

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<v Speaker 1>cube on it, and then they would dribble cold ice

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<v Speaker 1>cold water over the sugar cube and the spoon into

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<v Speaker 1>the drink, and when the water hit the drink, it

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<v Speaker 1>do this very interesting thing where the clear green absence

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<v Speaker 1>would suddenly froth up and become this uh. It's often

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<v Speaker 1>described as a pale green, milky type appearance. And I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen to do that. It does quite look like that,

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<v Speaker 1>like a cloud emerging in the depths of a crystal ball. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's referred to as the lush, and it's very interesting

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<v Speaker 1>because because you're like, wow, what's going on there? Chemically?

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<v Speaker 1>What's going on is that the the water is is

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<v Speaker 1>breaking up this the way that the oils from the

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<v Speaker 1>plants are held in suspension in the liquor, and when

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<v Speaker 1>the water enters it, it creates this emulsion essentially, like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you'd create an emulsion if you're making a

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<v Speaker 1>vinaigrette and the salad dressing or something like that. The

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<v Speaker 1>oils and the water get emulsified and so it clouds

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<v Speaker 1>up and becomes rather beautiful. It's kind of nice it's

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<v Speaker 1>this production. But it also does lead to the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that you're deluding the drink with water, bringing it down

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<v Speaker 1>probably closer to or even lower than the level of

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<v Speaker 1>if you were dreating drinking a straight liquor of some

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<v Speaker 1>other kind. And I believe in this space it's been

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<v Speaker 1>a years since I had straight up absentthe in this scenario,

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<v Speaker 1>it was at a place in New Orleans called Pravda.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's still around. But it was

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<v Speaker 1>a like a Soviet theme, like the word for truth. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like that, and also with the Soviet publication, and they

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<v Speaker 1>did the whole ceremony. As I recall, they also had

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<v Speaker 1>a version that involved fire, like a small amount of fire.

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing flashy, no blueblazers here. But if of course fire

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<v Speaker 1>is involved, you have the potential to burn off some

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<v Speaker 1>of the alcohol as well, which would thus, uh make

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<v Speaker 1>its alcoholic punch a little less. Yeah. But anyway, so

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<v Speaker 1>you've had absence in in this case, I've had absence.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems to be clear that modern absinthe is, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>not any more dangerous than any other alcoholic drink, with

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<v Speaker 1>all of the things that we should understand about the

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<v Speaker 1>dangerous regular alcoholic drinks. Um, but there there, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>carry this special drug like or poor isn't like property.

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<v Speaker 1>So what was going on with all those experiments in

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<v Speaker 1>the late eighteen hundreds showing absence to be a poisonous horror. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>recently people have gone back and reviewed this research, and

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<v Speaker 1>generally the problem appears to be that they were testing

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<v Speaker 1>the effects of not absinthe itself, but of ridiculously high

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<v Speaker 1>concentrations of thusion in the form of extracts and pure

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<v Speaker 1>wormwood essence oil essential oils UH. And so the thing

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<v Speaker 1>we know about doses is the dose makes the poison. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much all of the food and drink we consume

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<v Speaker 1>on a regular basis contains compounds that can be toxic

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<v Speaker 1>and extremely large doses. So the question is, if you

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<v Speaker 1>go out and get a bottle of absinthe, does it

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<v Speaker 1>actually contain enough thujone to hurt you? Well, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>getting it from a reputable distiller, the answer is no.

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<v Speaker 1>So modern absinthe really doesn't have enough through jone uh

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<v Speaker 1>to cause any of the effects in absence drinkers concentrations

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<v Speaker 1>are small enough, the alcohol content is high enough that

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<v Speaker 1>you would encounter toxicity due to alcohol way before you

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<v Speaker 1>would ingest enough through jone to hurt you. But there's

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<v Speaker 1>another question, what about the pre band absinthe, because maybe

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on is that absinthe is safer now and

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<v Speaker 1>safety standards were much lower back then. Well, there's actually

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<v Speaker 1>been research on this as well. So in two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and eight there was a paper published by Dirk Lachenmeyer

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<v Speaker 1>and at All called a Chemical Composition of vintage Preban

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<v Speaker 1>absinthe with special reference to through Joan, finn shone, pinot, camphone, menthal, copper,

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<v Speaker 1>and antimony concentration. So this is looking at old old

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<v Speaker 1>bottles of absinthe from before the absinthe ban to say, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>did they have something really poisonous going on in them?

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<v Speaker 1>It looked at thirteen samples of vintage absinthe bottles dating

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<v Speaker 1>back to before nineteen fifteen, and they were analyzed for

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<v Speaker 1>toxicity including naturally occurring herbal lessences like through Joan all

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<v Speaker 1>the ones I mentioned before, and then mental higher alcohols, copper,

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<v Speaker 1>and antimony, and then they used gas chromatography and mass

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<v Speaker 1>spectrometry analysis to reveal that quote. The total through jone

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<v Speaker 1>content of Preban absinthe was found to range between about

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<v Speaker 1>zero point five and about forty eight point three milligrams

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<v Speaker 1>per leader of absinthe, with an average concentration of about

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five milligrams per leader and a median concentration of

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<v Speaker 1>thirty three milligrams per leader. How much is that? Turns

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<v Speaker 1>out not that much. This shows that vintage absinthe from

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<v Speaker 1>the pre Ban era is pretty much comparable to post

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<v Speaker 1>ban and modern commercial absinthe in terms of toxic content. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and they concluded, quote all things considered, nothing besides ethanol

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<v Speaker 1>was found in the absence that was able to explain

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<v Speaker 1>the syndrome absinthe is um. And I think that's a

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<v Speaker 1>that's a good note to end on the absinthe discussion with,

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<v Speaker 1>because from my perspective, I think the reasonable conclusion is

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<v Speaker 1>that absinthe is um was in fact alcoholism by another name,

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<v Speaker 1>rebranded alcoholism if you will. And this is a good reminder,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess not to end on a down note, but

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<v Speaker 1>but that we should always be careful when we're thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about about alcoholic drinks, because, as we pointed out, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>ethanol is in some sense a poison. It is in

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<v Speaker 1>some sense a thing that is impairing our bodies. Now, generally,

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<v Speaker 1>responsible adults can learn to manage their ingestion of ethanol

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<v Speaker 1>in a way that's not too harmful in the long

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<v Speaker 1>term to themselves or others. But it's it's something we

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<v Speaker 1>have to be careful with. It's a it's a dragon

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<v Speaker 1>in a cage. Yeah, I mean, if you, if you

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<v Speaker 1>really tease it apart, what is any cocktail but a

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<v Speaker 1>balance of poisons that you then drink uh, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's there's there's there's certainly a danger in consuming too much,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's you know, and certain people are going to

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<v Speaker 1>be more susceptible to problems than others. So certainly use

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<v Speaker 1>use caution, uh, employer better judgment when choosing witch cocktails

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<v Speaker 1>and how many to consume or if to consume at all.

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<v Speaker 1>And again, to come back to mocktails, I will say

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<v Speaker 1>there are some fabulous mocktail recipes out there. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So for our listeners who are underage or who are teetotallers, Robert,

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<v Speaker 1>what what's a great mocktail for that you would recommend? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a recent New York Times article that came out

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<v Speaker 1>because when they're not when they're not shaming absinthe in

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<v Speaker 1>previous times, they're putting out mocktail articles in our modern times.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's a mocktail article that came out recently, and

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<v Speaker 1>they included a recipe for something called a Mombai mule,

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<v Speaker 1>which you can serve in the copper uh containers if

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<v Speaker 1>you like. But it's a wonderful concoction that has uh

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<v Speaker 1>believe it was a coconut cream or coconut milk. A

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<v Speaker 1>few different spices, some citrus, and it has all the

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<v Speaker 1>complexities because I guess one of the things that you

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<v Speaker 1>instantly think, what if you take the liquor and the

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<v Speaker 1>liqueurs out of a cocktail, what are you left with

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<v Speaker 1>but some juices? Well, this drink, uh, I think is

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<v Speaker 1>a nice answer to that, because you get this this

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<v Speaker 1>balance of different flavor notes uh in the ingredients without

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<v Speaker 1>actually having to engage alcohol. So look around. You know

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<v Speaker 1>there's some definitely some lesser mocktails out there, but but

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<v Speaker 1>there are some very finely crafted concoctions that don't involve

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<v Speaker 1>alcohol but do give you this appreciation for the process

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<v Speaker 1>and and and also in appreciation for just the rich

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<v Speaker 1>flavor profile. Though my one criticism is that they too,

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<v Speaker 1>they do tend to go down a bit fast without

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<v Speaker 1>the alcohol in them. Yeah. I don't know if I

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<v Speaker 1>told you this. When I was a kid, I was

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<v Speaker 1>a big fan of virgin bloody Mary's. Oh but bloody

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<v Speaker 1>Mary with no alcohol in it? Uh. Though it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>even I wasn't even preparing what would be recognized by

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<v Speaker 1>a bartender as a proper bloody Mary mix. What I

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<v Speaker 1>was drinking was like a can of vate with a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of tabasco sauce and celery salts in it. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of like the rob Roys and the Shirley Temples.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I remember going out to dinner and and my

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<v Speaker 1>dad got a cocktail and I got to get a

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<v Speaker 1>rob Roy And you know, that's just what it's. It's

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<v Speaker 1>it's not the most finely balanced of a of a mocktail.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just like ginger rail and uh and in my experience,

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<v Speaker 1>like the bad Maraschino cherry is not the real Maraschino chair.

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<v Speaker 1>Um Maraschino Cherry is, by the way, a fabulous story

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<v Speaker 1>just about those and I believe that shows up in

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<v Speaker 1>The Drunken Botanists. So another reason to pick up that book. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>if we ever come back to doing more episodes on

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<v Speaker 1>food and drink, maybe we should explore cherry science. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's so much. I mean, we've touched on cherry science

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit in our most recent Dangerous Foods episode. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>don't grind up those pits, yeah, because that would be

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<v Speaker 1>that would make for pretty nefarious cocktail right there. Okay,

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