1 00:00:01,820 --> 00:00:04,590 Speaker 1: Hey Discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life? 2 00:00:05,070 --> 00:00:08,050 Speaker 1: Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too. 3 00:00:08,780 --> 00:00:11,959 Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:30,730 Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode, 5 00:00:30,770 --> 00:00:32,980 Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after party. 6 00:00:33,030 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after 7 00:00:34,900 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: the party, the bridge to get you from one full 8 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:40,019 Speaker 1: episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard to dig 9 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: into the dirt. Our mission to uncover the truth, to 10 00:00:42,820 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: confront the myth, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode, 11 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:49,520 Speaker 1: we talk about Shannon Hoon from Blind Melon. We're previewing 12 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: Buddy Holly and as always, wrestling with good versus evil 13 00:00:53,020 --> 00:00:56,650 Speaker 1: throughout music history. This is the podcast for the musically obsessed, 14 00:00:56,830 --> 00:00:59,410 Speaker 1: the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know that the best 15 00:00:59,450 --> 00:01:02,540 Speaker 1: history is the history that gets buried. Disgraceland is where 16 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:04,680 Speaker 1: I tell the stories you'll end up telling someone else. 17 00:01:04,700 --> 00:01:21,490 Speaker 1: All right, discos, let's get into it. It's November 4th, 18 00:01:21,490 --> 00:01:25,490 Speaker 1: 2026 in Disgraceland, and we're joined this week by Blind Melon, 19 00:01:25,530 --> 00:01:30,030 Speaker 1: Reggie Watts, Madonna, Britney Spears, and Brian Jones. I'm writing 20 00:01:30,069 --> 00:01:32,170 Speaker 1: my notes down for this after party that I'm about 21 00:01:32,190 --> 00:01:35,709 Speaker 1: to record here in my living room in Southeast Florida. 22 00:01:35,750 --> 00:01:39,490 Speaker 1: Bill Evans is blasting from my speakers. The coffee is hot. 23 00:01:40,110 --> 00:01:44,220 Speaker 1: The air outside is cooler than usual. Autumn leaves, as 24 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,420 Speaker 1: the man says. I spent the night this past weekend 25 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: back home in Massachusetts, then raced to Miami to meet 26 00:01:50,620 --> 00:01:52,490 Speaker 1: up with a friend to go to the game and 27 00:01:52,510 --> 00:01:55,170 Speaker 1: to then eat and drink our way through what they're 28 00:01:55,190 --> 00:01:59,670 Speaker 1: now calling Vice City. It's been a whirlwind, and throughout 29 00:01:59,690 --> 00:02:02,950 Speaker 1: this travel, I've had my head buried in more Rolling 30 00:02:03,010 --> 00:02:07,630 Speaker 1: Stones research, particularly into the death of Brian Jones, which 31 00:02:08,010 --> 00:02:10,450 Speaker 1: I know. How many rock and roll deaths do we 32 00:02:10,490 --> 00:02:13,150 Speaker 1: have to look into before we come to the conclusion 33 00:02:13,190 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: that none of them are what they seem, yet somehow 34 00:02:16,060 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: they're all what they seem? Anyways, I had a thought 35 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: when I was researching, a thought about why I'm so 36 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,340 Speaker 1: comfortable with my head buried in the past, and why 37 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,500 Speaker 1: I think you guys are as well. I mentioned here 38 00:02:29,530 --> 00:02:31,010 Speaker 1: in the after party a couple of weeks ago, a 39 00:02:31,490 --> 00:02:35,190 Speaker 1: quote from Martin Scorsese, something about how artists create in 40 00:02:35,230 --> 00:02:38,190 Speaker 1: an effort to make sense of the world. Now I 41 00:02:38,230 --> 00:02:40,769 Speaker 1: believe that, but it's a little different for me. I 42 00:02:40,830 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: create content almost exclusively about the past, Reggie Watts and 43 00:02:45,780 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: the upcoming episode on Jared Leto notwithstanding. So why don't 44 00:02:50,180 --> 00:02:52,780 Speaker 1: I do this with the now? It's not a choice. 45 00:02:53,500 --> 00:02:55,930 Speaker 1: I'm not done with the past anymore than the past 46 00:02:56,090 --> 00:02:58,550 Speaker 1: is done with me or the then the past is 47 00:02:58,590 --> 00:03:02,410 Speaker 1: done with us. The past helps us make sense of 48 00:03:02,450 --> 00:03:07,270 Speaker 1: the now. And the now is part fucked and part beautiful. 49 00:03:08,090 --> 00:03:10,690 Speaker 1: The past was no different. And I guess I find 50 00:03:10,730 --> 00:03:14,340 Speaker 1: it comforting to have the context of what happened before 51 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 1: help me see through the gloom of right now. It 52 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: was October the last time I talked to you guys. 53 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:25,290 Speaker 1: We're exiting the month of All Hallows' Eve. I'm Thematically, 54 00:03:25,350 --> 00:03:30,210 Speaker 1: we're leaving the evil cultural touchstones Halloween entertains and surrounds 55 00:03:30,250 --> 00:03:34,470 Speaker 1: us with. The horror movies, the creepy soundtracks, the scary costumes, 56 00:03:34,910 --> 00:03:38,310 Speaker 1: the meditations on Satan and the occult and their influence 57 00:03:38,410 --> 00:03:40,990 Speaker 1: on rock and roll and the musicians that we love. 58 00:03:41,450 --> 00:03:46,710 Speaker 1: And we're heading into a cultural period here of grace. Thanksgiving, 59 00:03:46,910 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: the band's last waltz, Neil Young's Harvest and Harvest Moon. 60 00:03:51,830 --> 00:03:54,930 Speaker 1: feel-good movies, planes, trains, and automobiles, home for the holidays, 61 00:03:55,530 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: and thematically, an overall feeling of good, not evil. Good 62 00:04:01,300 --> 00:04:04,820 Speaker 1: versus evil. The tension between the two surrounds what we 63 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:09,020 Speaker 1: do here in Disgraceland year-round. It's not just Halloween. Is 64 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,950 Speaker 1: Reggie Watts good or evil? Shannon Hoon, Madonna, Britney Spears, 65 00:04:13,010 --> 00:04:15,510 Speaker 1: Brian Jones, the same thing can be asked and debated 66 00:04:15,710 --> 00:04:18,930 Speaker 1: about all the artists in Disgraceland this month or in 67 00:04:19,170 --> 00:04:22,830 Speaker 1: any month. But each year, In the fall, this theme 68 00:04:23,070 --> 00:04:27,630 Speaker 1: is more prevalent than ever. I read The Exorcist this month, 69 00:04:27,670 --> 00:04:30,010 Speaker 1: or this past month, I should say, and there's no 70 00:04:30,430 --> 00:04:33,289 Speaker 1: other book I can think of that better captures the 71 00:04:33,350 --> 00:04:36,229 Speaker 1: power of this theme. In the end, we know which 72 00:04:36,310 --> 00:04:41,460 Speaker 1: side triumphs. I'm now reading Silence by Shisaku Endo, the 73 00:04:41,540 --> 00:04:45,900 Speaker 1: work of Japanese historical fiction tracing the efforts of 17th 74 00:04:46,500 --> 00:04:51,090 Speaker 1: century missionaries in Japan. Thematically, it has good versus evil 75 00:04:51,270 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 1: on every page, but I know where this is going 76 00:04:53,900 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: and you can probably guess as well. Next in line 77 00:04:57,500 --> 00:05:01,710 Speaker 1: on my nightstand is Mikhail Buglikov's The Master and Margarita, 78 00:05:01,730 --> 00:05:06,190 Speaker 1: a book of Russian fiction about Satan. This book is 79 00:05:06,270 --> 00:05:09,870 Speaker 1: the same book that inspired Mick Jagger to write Sympathy 80 00:05:09,910 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 1: for the Devil. I'm not sure which side will prevail 81 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:14,940 Speaker 1: by the time I get to the end of this novel, 82 00:05:14,980 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 1: but the theme remains front and center for me, good 83 00:05:17,900 --> 00:05:22,779 Speaker 1: versus evil. This tension is overwhelmingly on display in the 84 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:26,049 Speaker 1: Brian Jones research that I'm now doing that I mentioned before. 85 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 1: Brian Jones from the Rolling Stones, the founder of the 86 00:05:30,180 --> 00:05:34,260 Speaker 1: Rolling Stones, and the beginning of the band, their leader. 87 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:40,900 Speaker 1: Brian Jones, one of the coolest rock and roll icons 88 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:45,450 Speaker 1: to come out of the 1960s. Brian Jones was not 89 00:05:45,870 --> 00:05:50,050 Speaker 1: a good person. And aside from learning how he really died, 90 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,979 Speaker 1: I'm wondering what this story from the past is teaching 91 00:05:54,020 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: me about the world today, or perhaps even about myself. 92 00:05:57,260 --> 00:06:02,350 Speaker 1: I don't know yet. Keith Richards told Q Magazine in 1988, quote, 93 00:06:02,910 --> 00:06:05,490 Speaker 1: I don't think you would find anyone who liked Brian. 94 00:06:06,029 --> 00:06:09,770 Speaker 1: Brian was not a likable guy. You know, he enjoyed 95 00:06:09,830 --> 00:06:15,610 Speaker 1: beating chicks up. Not a likable guy. Brian Jones, not 96 00:06:15,650 --> 00:06:20,490 Speaker 1: a likable guy. End quote. Brian Jones was violent. volatile, 97 00:06:20,910 --> 00:06:24,650 Speaker 1: very much wasted all the time. And most of all, 98 00:06:24,750 --> 00:06:29,630 Speaker 1: like all men who beat women, Brian Jones was weak. Now, 99 00:06:29,670 --> 00:06:33,750 Speaker 1: the overwhelming amount of shitty behavior on display in Brian's 100 00:06:33,790 --> 00:06:36,150 Speaker 1: story is so prevalent that it forced me to go 101 00:06:36,190 --> 00:06:38,980 Speaker 1: looking for the opposite of what I was being served 102 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,900 Speaker 1: in this research. I wanted to know, did Brian Jones 103 00:06:43,180 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: ever do anything good? And the answer is, well, no. 104 00:06:48,529 --> 00:06:51,910 Speaker 1: Not really. No, he didn't. Now, to be fair, he 105 00:06:51,950 --> 00:06:55,370 Speaker 1: died young at the age of 27. But typically what 106 00:06:55,410 --> 00:06:59,130 Speaker 1: happens when I get into researching these stories is there's 107 00:06:59,790 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: usually some selfless examples of kindness and generosity that offset 108 00:07:06,540 --> 00:07:10,660 Speaker 1: an artist's transgressions. But when it comes to Brian Jones, 109 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:14,500 Speaker 1: there's little, if any, evidence. But again, like I said, 110 00:07:14,580 --> 00:07:19,260 Speaker 1: he died young. He Had he lived, he would have 111 00:07:19,340 --> 00:07:22,620 Speaker 1: pulled his head out of his ass. But anyways, this 112 00:07:22,670 --> 00:07:24,930 Speaker 1: all got me thinking about the rest of the Rolling Stones, 113 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,970 Speaker 1: who are worth tens of millions of dollars, hundreds of 114 00:07:28,030 --> 00:07:31,570 Speaker 1: millions in the case of Mick and Keith. And it 115 00:07:31,610 --> 00:07:34,390 Speaker 1: got me looking for examples of goodness to offset the 116 00:07:34,430 --> 00:07:38,490 Speaker 1: sympathy for the devil. And there is plenty. There's the big, splashy, 117 00:07:38,610 --> 00:07:42,390 Speaker 1: charitable giving, the kind that gets plastered on websites and 118 00:07:42,450 --> 00:07:45,090 Speaker 1: shouted about on social media and written about in the 119 00:07:45,130 --> 00:07:49,500 Speaker 1: Sunday Times. There's also a fair amount of quiet giving 120 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,940 Speaker 1: from Keith Richards on top of the major donations that 121 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: he and the band have made. Keith regularly writes checks 122 00:07:58,020 --> 00:08:03,390 Speaker 1: to local radio stations, libraries, local historical landmarks who are 123 00:08:03,410 --> 00:08:07,290 Speaker 1: in need of financial help. You can find anecdotes online 124 00:08:07,330 --> 00:08:10,870 Speaker 1: of checks showing up randomly at these organizations unsolicited and 125 00:08:10,970 --> 00:08:13,710 Speaker 1: often with instructions to keep Keith Richards' name out of 126 00:08:13,730 --> 00:08:18,130 Speaker 1: the press. I just Love this image I have of 127 00:08:18,230 --> 00:08:22,450 Speaker 1: Keith Richards being driven back from the liquor store near 128 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:26,580 Speaker 1: his homes in Connecticut or West Sussex or wherever and 129 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:29,980 Speaker 1: passing a local library with a sign out front about 130 00:08:30,020 --> 00:08:33,939 Speaker 1: an upcoming fundraiser or hearing a local public radio station 131 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,930 Speaker 1: during their fun drive or whatever and just writing a check. 132 00:08:38,450 --> 00:08:41,410 Speaker 1: I suspect this type of giving goes on more often 133 00:08:41,450 --> 00:08:43,650 Speaker 1: than not, not just with the Rolling Stones, not just 134 00:08:43,670 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 1: with Keith Richards. I suspect that this type of good 135 00:08:47,580 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: is just as prevalent as the evil that grips our 136 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: imaginations and has the capacity to wrap us in its 137 00:08:54,500 --> 00:08:58,020 Speaker 1: doom and gloom. Now, as the holidays draw nearer, I'll 138 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:00,420 Speaker 1: be doing my best to remember and focus on the good. 139 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:05,010 Speaker 1: For every Brian, there is a Keith. Speaking of evil, though, 140 00:09:05,290 --> 00:09:11,690 Speaker 1: and speaking of Halloween, I'm not done with October. You 141 00:09:12,210 --> 00:09:15,150 Speaker 1: can probably hear it in my voice. I'm very mellow 142 00:09:15,190 --> 00:09:18,670 Speaker 1: this morning. I don't know if the coffee is not 143 00:09:18,730 --> 00:09:21,710 Speaker 1: working or if it's working in a different way, perhaps. 144 00:09:23,050 --> 00:09:25,030 Speaker 1: But you know what I think it is, guys? I 145 00:09:25,050 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: got up this morning and I did something that Zeth 146 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:31,819 Speaker 1: always does. Zeth gets up in the morning and like 147 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:35,380 Speaker 1: most people, like most of you, I suspect, he takes 148 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:37,559 Speaker 1: a shower and he gets dressed and he goes to work. 149 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,740 Speaker 1: I have the luxury, well, Zeth has this luxury as well, 150 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: but a lot of you do, of working from home 151 00:09:44,740 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: And I don't do this. I get up and I 152 00:09:47,420 --> 00:09:50,780 Speaker 1: sort of putts around in my, I don't want to 153 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:55,250 Speaker 1: say pajamas, but in my robe or whatever. And I 154 00:09:55,309 --> 00:09:56,930 Speaker 1: sort of work for the first few hours of the 155 00:09:56,950 --> 00:10:02,199 Speaker 1: day before I shower in sort of comfort clothes or whatever. 156 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:07,089 Speaker 1: I did the opposite today. I got up and I 157 00:10:07,110 --> 00:10:09,530 Speaker 1: got showered and I got dressed. I even tucked in 158 00:10:09,570 --> 00:10:11,330 Speaker 1: my shirt before I sat down here at the mic 159 00:10:11,350 --> 00:10:13,510 Speaker 1: to record for you guys. And I feel like it's 160 00:10:13,620 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: made me in a weird way, despite the added formality, 161 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,559 Speaker 1: it's made me more comfortable. And I feel like, I 162 00:10:21,580 --> 00:10:24,250 Speaker 1: don't know if it's how I got the mic position 163 00:10:24,290 --> 00:10:28,290 Speaker 1: this morning or the new belt I'm wearing or whatever 164 00:10:28,330 --> 00:10:30,490 Speaker 1: it is, but I feel more relaxed here as I'm 165 00:10:30,510 --> 00:10:32,990 Speaker 1: talking to you guys. I don't know if it's the 166 00:10:33,170 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: autumn air, whatever it is. Yeah, I'm kind of into it. 167 00:10:37,110 --> 00:10:40,250 Speaker 1: And the sort of the autumn relaxation of it all 168 00:10:41,270 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 1: is reminding me that I've got one last October item left. 169 00:10:44,270 --> 00:10:46,290 Speaker 1: that I want to talk about before we put the 170 00:10:46,309 --> 00:10:50,950 Speaker 1: spooky season to rest. Dr. Lundy and Matt here at 171 00:10:50,990 --> 00:10:54,810 Speaker 1: Double Elvis are both from Bangor, Maine. One of my 172 00:10:54,830 --> 00:10:58,750 Speaker 1: good friends here down the street from us, our family friend, Colleen, 173 00:10:58,790 --> 00:11:02,380 Speaker 1: she's also from Bangor. And so I'm talking about Bangor 174 00:11:02,390 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: a lot. I'm talking about Stephen King a lot as well. 175 00:11:06,020 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: A guy I grew up loving, a guy who made 176 00:11:08,100 --> 00:11:10,870 Speaker 1: his living in October. And I want to get with 177 00:11:10,950 --> 00:11:13,690 Speaker 1: Zeth later in this episode and talk about Stephen King, 178 00:11:13,830 --> 00:11:17,170 Speaker 1: the weird and wild ways that he's impacted their hometown. 179 00:11:17,630 --> 00:11:19,530 Speaker 1: Share some of the stories these guys have told me 180 00:11:19,929 --> 00:11:22,930 Speaker 1: throughout the past. Talk a little bit about Stephen King's 181 00:11:23,130 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: music tastes, which are very in line with our music tastes. ACDC, 182 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: the Ramones, old school doo-wop, all kinds of great stuff. 183 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:35,099 Speaker 1: But mainly I want to get to what it's like 184 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:39,260 Speaker 1: growing up in the shadow of Salem's lot and with 185 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: a very famous neighbor, a very influential author, very commercially 186 00:11:44,980 --> 00:11:50,190 Speaker 1: successful author, a very creatively inspiring author, someone as massive 187 00:11:50,429 --> 00:11:52,150 Speaker 1: as Stephen King. And I want to look into all 188 00:11:52,170 --> 00:11:57,890 Speaker 1: the strange and bizarre and revealing Stephen King-isms that those 189 00:11:57,910 --> 00:12:01,340 Speaker 1: of us who don't come from Bangor might not know about. Now, 190 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:03,439 Speaker 1: I wanted to do this over the past month. At 191 00:12:03,500 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: some point, I just didn't get around to it. It's 192 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: still the first. It's only the first week in November. 193 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: I think you can indulge me this last bit of 194 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:13,599 Speaker 1: Halloween content that's coming up in the exclusive section of 195 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,599 Speaker 1: this after party. Go to disgracelandpod.com to sign up to 196 00:12:16,620 --> 00:12:19,570 Speaker 1: become an all access member and unlock exclusive and ad 197 00:12:19,590 --> 00:12:23,140 Speaker 1: free content. just like this. All right, discos, this week, 198 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:27,620 Speaker 1: Shannon Hoon in Blind Melon in the feed. Upcoming Rewind 199 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:31,380 Speaker 1: episodes this week are on Britney Spears, Britney Bitch, part 200 00:12:31,500 --> 00:12:34,900 Speaker 1: one and part two. Next week, did Buddy Holly shoot 201 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: down his own plane? You're going to want to hear 202 00:12:37,460 --> 00:12:40,140 Speaker 1: our Buddy Holly episode. And after you do, you're going 203 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: to want to call us and let us know the 204 00:12:42,020 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: answer to that question. Did Buddy Holly shoot down his 205 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: own plane? The evidence, as you will hear, is pretty 206 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:52,650 Speaker 1: compelling to say the least. 617- 906-6638 voicemail and text. 207 00:12:53,010 --> 00:12:54,750 Speaker 1: Hit me with your answers or hit me up to 208 00:12:54,809 --> 00:12:59,209 Speaker 1: talk about whatever you want to discuss. Buddy Holly, Brian Jones, Madonna, 209 00:12:59,270 --> 00:13:01,730 Speaker 1: how your Halloween went, what you're cooking up for Thanksgiving. 210 00:13:02,090 --> 00:13:03,700 Speaker 1: What do you listen to when you cook? That's something 211 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: that I'm constantly thinking about. It's a question of mine 212 00:13:06,059 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: that I have. What do you listen to when you cook? 213 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: We've talked about this in the past and I loved 214 00:13:10,020 --> 00:13:12,780 Speaker 1: your answers and I'm here for them. I got that 215 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: rolling around in my head all the time. I'm about 216 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: to roast a chicken today too. So, you know, 617-906-6638. 217 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:21,410 Speaker 1: Hit me with your your cooking music recommendations, or whatever 218 00:13:21,429 --> 00:13:24,230 Speaker 1: you want to talk about. And you might hear yourself 219 00:13:24,350 --> 00:13:27,170 Speaker 1: on next week's after party episode, just like these other 220 00:13:27,210 --> 00:13:29,780 Speaker 1: discos that you're going to hear about right after this break. 221 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:46,580 Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere. All right, guys, we are back. 617-906-6638. 222 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: Voicemail and text. You want to hit us to talk 223 00:13:48,900 --> 00:13:52,020 Speaker 1: about anything under the sun. We've got this good versus 224 00:13:52,140 --> 00:13:54,439 Speaker 1: evil conversation that we've been diving into for the last 225 00:13:54,500 --> 00:13:57,260 Speaker 1: few weeks. And this theme is brought to us here 226 00:13:57,600 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: in voicemail form from the 903. 227 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:01,819 Speaker 2: Hey, Jake and Dr. 228 00:14:01,860 --> 00:14:02,580 Speaker 1: Jeff. 229 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 2: Lundy, I am just calling in reaction to the whole 230 00:14:05,740 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 2: idea of evil being a music in the movies and 231 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:11,510 Speaker 2: state worshiping and all that. I go back to what 232 00:14:11,530 --> 00:14:14,030 Speaker 2: my mother told me when that, like, I grew up 233 00:14:14,070 --> 00:14:18,290 Speaker 2: in the 90s in Texas, and I would still say 234 00:14:18,309 --> 00:14:21,950 Speaker 2: the satanic panic, which had died out around the country, 235 00:14:21,970 --> 00:14:24,990 Speaker 2: hadn't really died out in Texas yet. She basically said, 236 00:14:25,030 --> 00:14:27,610 Speaker 2: what does it mean to you? Do you see this 237 00:14:27,690 --> 00:14:30,270 Speaker 2: as Satan worshiping? Do you see this as praising Satan 238 00:14:30,310 --> 00:14:31,910 Speaker 2: and all that stuff? And we're like, no, we just 239 00:14:31,950 --> 00:14:35,110 Speaker 2: like the music. And she's like, there you go. That's 240 00:14:35,590 --> 00:14:39,550 Speaker 2: what you should, you know, believe and exercise and take 241 00:14:39,570 --> 00:14:44,590 Speaker 2: joy in. especially these days with people trying to superimpose 242 00:14:44,620 --> 00:14:46,970 Speaker 2: and project their own meanings on everything. It's like, why 243 00:14:47,010 --> 00:14:49,370 Speaker 2: does it mean there's a person? If it means that 244 00:14:49,390 --> 00:14:52,870 Speaker 2: to you, yeah. If it doesn't mean that to you, okay. 245 00:14:53,490 --> 00:14:56,290 Speaker 2: It just is what you put into it. That's just 246 00:14:56,310 --> 00:14:59,070 Speaker 2: my view of it, of the show, all my fellow 247 00:14:59,110 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 2: discos and keep on doing what you guys do. All right. 248 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: Bye. 903. Thank you so much for the call. You're 249 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:09,540 Speaker 1: absolutely right. What does it mean to you? And, you know, 250 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:12,050 Speaker 1: a lot of people, try to stop people from seeing 251 00:15:12,090 --> 00:15:16,790 Speaker 1: The Exorcist, what that story means to me, as we've 252 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:21,820 Speaker 1: discussed many times already, is something completely different than what 253 00:15:21,860 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: the critics were saying about that film in that book. 254 00:15:25,940 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: And you're right. I cannot stand this. People are always 255 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: trying to project their own views on onto different pieces 256 00:15:36,700 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: of art to reinforce whatever their worldview might be. And absolutely, 257 00:15:42,060 --> 00:15:44,110 Speaker 1: I am guilty of that, as I think we all are. 258 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:46,090 Speaker 1: But I just don't like it when it cuts against 259 00:15:47,170 --> 00:15:50,450 Speaker 1: the way I think. And nobody's going to tell me 260 00:15:50,530 --> 00:15:53,310 Speaker 1: that what I think about The Exorcist is not what 261 00:15:53,410 --> 00:15:55,850 Speaker 1: the intent of the author was. I just believe it 262 00:15:55,930 --> 00:15:59,180 Speaker 1: in my bones. 903, your mom sounds like she was 263 00:15:59,260 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: a smart lady, or is a smart lady. Thanks for 264 00:16:02,380 --> 00:16:02,860 Speaker 1: the call. 265 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:03,020 Speaker 2: 617-906-6638. 266 00:16:03,140 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: You guys want to talk about anything under the sun? 267 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:07,100 Speaker 1: Hit us up. 268 00:16:08,020 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 2: Hey, Jay. 269 00:16:08,540 --> 00:16:10,700 Speaker 3: This is Lee out of Memphis. I just kind of 270 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,620 Speaker 3: want to get your thought on something. I've noticed something 271 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 3: over the past several years, probably even further back, but 272 00:16:16,830 --> 00:16:20,030 Speaker 3: there's a lot of tribute bands out there now, and 273 00:16:20,050 --> 00:16:23,810 Speaker 3: they're really, really good. I recently saw a Van Halen 274 00:16:24,950 --> 00:16:28,370 Speaker 3: tribute band called Jump. I know I saw something the 275 00:16:28,390 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 3: other day on a link called Red Knot Chili Peppers. 276 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 3: I've got a buddy that went to a Smiths tribute band. 277 00:16:36,940 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sorry, Cure. Went to a Depeche Mode 278 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:44,859 Speaker 3: tribute band. I've seen a Prince tribute band and a 279 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 3: GNR band. You know, nothing really going on here. I 280 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:50,990 Speaker 3: just kind of wanted to get your take on it 281 00:16:51,450 --> 00:16:54,370 Speaker 3: as a lover of music. So anyway, have a good day. 282 00:16:55,890 --> 00:16:59,030 Speaker 1: Well, Lee in Memphis, thank you so much for the call. 283 00:17:00,470 --> 00:17:02,690 Speaker 1: You asked, so I'll tell you. I don't think people 284 00:17:02,710 --> 00:17:04,750 Speaker 1: are going to like this, but I am not a 285 00:17:04,830 --> 00:17:09,859 Speaker 1: tribute band fan in the least. No shade for those 286 00:17:09,950 --> 00:17:12,500 Speaker 1: who make their living or for playing in tribute bands 287 00:17:12,540 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 1: or for those who enjoy going to see a tribute band. 288 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: And I get it. You hear those songs, they're nostalgic, 289 00:17:17,260 --> 00:17:19,459 Speaker 1: and it's fun to hear a band play them. But 290 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:26,260 Speaker 1: as a guy who grew up in music and around musicians, 291 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:31,700 Speaker 1: it's just hard for me to get into. I think 292 00:17:31,780 --> 00:17:36,219 Speaker 1: also when it comes to covering a song, this is 293 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 1: a debate I've had with my friend Dutch ever since 294 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:42,020 Speaker 1: we were in high school. I am more into an 295 00:17:42,820 --> 00:17:46,540 Speaker 1: interpretation of a song. Like I played, we were driving 296 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,100 Speaker 1: the other day, we're going through the Sumner Tunnel and 297 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: Talking Heads version of Satisfaction came on and my 12 298 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:58,500 Speaker 1: year old's head was completely blown. At first, he hated it. 299 00:17:58,900 --> 00:18:01,340 Speaker 1: His reaction was, this is so fucking weird. And he's 300 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: not even really a Rolling Stones fan. By the end 301 00:18:05,260 --> 00:18:08,460 Speaker 1: of the song, he was loving it. And I like 302 00:18:08,500 --> 00:18:13,459 Speaker 1: interpretations of songs. I don't like museum replicas of songs. 303 00:18:13,820 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 1: And I feel like that's kind of the vibe in 304 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:20,739 Speaker 1: the best version of tribute bands. Not my thing, but 305 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:22,300 Speaker 1: I get it. And I love that there's a Depeche 306 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:27,109 Speaker 1: Mode tribute band out there. That sounds awesome. but I 307 00:18:27,150 --> 00:18:32,140 Speaker 1: won't be going to see them. 617-906-6638. Voicemail and text guys. 308 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:33,619 Speaker 1: You want to get at me about anything. I want 309 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:36,740 Speaker 1: to hear your thoughts next week on Buddy Holly. I 310 00:18:36,780 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: want to hear whether or not you think he shot 311 00:18:38,859 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 1: down his own plane or if anybody shot down his 312 00:18:42,260 --> 00:18:46,050 Speaker 1: own plane. 416 writes in, this is from Jason in 313 00:18:46,090 --> 00:18:48,189 Speaker 1: the 416 writes in, hey, one of my favorite Stephen 314 00:18:48,210 --> 00:18:50,990 Speaker 1: King stories. When I was a kid, I loved Stephen 315 00:18:51,010 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: King and I just read Christine, which terrified me. My dad, 316 00:18:54,300 --> 00:18:56,580 Speaker 1: who was an English teacher, gave me the hardcover copy 317 00:18:56,619 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 1: of Pet Sematary for Christmas that year. And on the 318 00:18:59,180 --> 00:19:03,369 Speaker 1: inside cover, he inscribed, Merry Christmas, Jason. That's it for you, shitter. 319 00:19:03,700 --> 00:19:06,810 Speaker 1: And I still have and cherish that book. I love that, man. 320 00:19:07,490 --> 00:19:10,189 Speaker 1: Stephen King was a big part of my relationship with 321 00:19:10,250 --> 00:19:14,610 Speaker 1: my dad growing up as well. He was funneling those 322 00:19:14,670 --> 00:19:17,230 Speaker 1: books to me as well, Jason. So I completely get it. 323 00:19:17,660 --> 00:19:18,940 Speaker 1: As I mentioned before, you want to hear a little 324 00:19:18,980 --> 00:19:21,889 Speaker 1: bit more about Stephen King and Bangor, Maine. Hit us. 325 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,979 Speaker 1: Get with us in the exclusive section of this episode 326 00:19:26,030 --> 00:19:31,210 Speaker 1: coming up. Go to disgracehandpod.com to sign up. 808 writes in, hey, 327 00:19:31,290 --> 00:19:33,909 Speaker 1: Jake and Zeth, although we missed the appearance date of 328 00:19:33,990 --> 00:19:37,270 Speaker 1: Devil's Night, October 30th, I would like to suggest The 329 00:19:37,350 --> 00:19:39,889 Speaker 1: Crow for this film should be played loud. It's the 330 00:19:39,930 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 1: most 90s as fuck 90s movie soundtrack you could have. 331 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:48,230 Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. And uh yeah man i don't know 332 00:19:48,290 --> 00:19:51,370 Speaker 1: do we do we blow it by not by not 333 00:19:51,430 --> 00:19:54,169 Speaker 1: doing the crow and october for this film should be 334 00:19:54,210 --> 00:19:56,729 Speaker 1: played loud we did shawn of the dead and i'm 335 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:58,580 Speaker 1: pretty happy with how that came out you guys seem 336 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:00,859 Speaker 1: to like it as well uh yeah we got to 337 00:20:00,900 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: do the crow that soundtrack is just incredible it's incredible 338 00:20:06,859 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 1: This one from the 360 on our episode on Reggie Watts. Hey, Disgraceland, 339 00:20:12,660 --> 00:20:16,619 Speaker 1: Sonny here from the 406. I'm calling to comment on 340 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:20,050 Speaker 1: your story about Reggie Watts having grown up in Great Falls, 341 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,990 Speaker 1: Montana and being in the same circles with Reggie. For 342 00:20:23,010 --> 00:20:24,830 Speaker 1: those of you guys who don't know, Reggie Watts grew 343 00:20:24,890 --> 00:20:28,570 Speaker 1: up in Great Falls, Montana. Now back to the 406's text. 344 00:20:28,609 --> 00:20:32,820 Speaker 1: He says, being in the same circles with Reggie. In fact, 345 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:36,300 Speaker 1: he gave me my first mohawk. I'm not surprised about 346 00:20:36,340 --> 00:20:39,380 Speaker 1: the heavy drug use that was reported. Heavy drug use 347 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:41,790 Speaker 1: was a big part of our circle. My brother, who 348 00:20:41,830 --> 00:20:44,210 Speaker 1: was even closer to Reggie, passed away from a drug 349 00:20:44,330 --> 00:20:47,250 Speaker 1: overdose a few years ago. But I'm surprised about the 350 00:20:47,290 --> 00:20:52,810 Speaker 1: reported treatment by Reggie towards his girlfriend. The reported treatment 351 00:20:52,910 --> 00:20:56,209 Speaker 1: by Reggie towards his girlfriend. He was always the nicest 352 00:20:56,270 --> 00:20:58,330 Speaker 1: guy to everyone around him, but I guess I'm not 353 00:20:58,490 --> 00:21:00,929 Speaker 1: the only one surprised. Anyways, thank you for all the 354 00:21:00,970 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 1: work you do. Absolutely love Disgraceland. Rock a rolla. 360, 355 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,940 Speaker 1: thank you for the text. I got a lot of comments, 356 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:11,820 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, not comments, direct messages, emails, excuse me, from 357 00:21:11,859 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 1: folks who know Reggie Watts. When this story broke and 358 00:21:16,700 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: when I started to talk about that I was going 359 00:21:19,780 --> 00:21:25,100 Speaker 1: to do this episode. And yeah, it's a mix of 360 00:21:25,140 --> 00:21:27,899 Speaker 1: kind of what you said, like the signs were there, 361 00:21:27,980 --> 00:21:31,340 Speaker 1: but surprised, or I even heard from some folks, Sonny, 362 00:21:31,940 --> 00:21:37,380 Speaker 1: who kind of Didn't know the extent of the behavior 363 00:21:37,420 --> 00:21:41,120 Speaker 1: that is alleged about Reggie Watts and his behavior towards 364 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:47,470 Speaker 1: Catherine McCullough. But they had evidence of things in their 365 00:21:47,690 --> 00:21:51,580 Speaker 1: eyes that would more easily let them believe what has 366 00:21:51,619 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: been alleged. And it should be said Reggie Watts denies everything, okay? 367 00:21:55,420 --> 00:21:59,020 Speaker 1: Got to say that. Chris from the 781 writes in, hey, 368 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,619 Speaker 1: while listening to today's episode of Reggie Watts, which was 369 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: jaw dropping, I happened to look up at the TV 370 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 1: in the gym and there was an iHeartRadio ad and 371 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:10,360 Speaker 1: I saw your face. Can you confirm your identity? Congratulations. 372 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,550 Speaker 1: I can confirm my identity. I mean, I don't know how. 373 00:22:13,590 --> 00:22:16,230 Speaker 1: I mean, go to Instagram at disgracelandpod. You'll see me 374 00:22:16,270 --> 00:22:19,370 Speaker 1: all over that thing. Get this text from the 415. 375 00:22:19,369 --> 00:22:24,179 Speaker 1: It says, hey, Reggie, no, not responsible for another adult's decisions. 376 00:22:24,700 --> 00:22:28,660 Speaker 1: She was 36, not 6. He may be a complete asshole, 377 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:30,980 Speaker 1: but she made her own choices. 378 00:22:31,780 --> 00:22:32,180 Speaker 3: All right. 379 00:22:32,940 --> 00:22:38,050 Speaker 1: It's from the 415. 314 writes in, hello, Jake. I've 380 00:22:38,070 --> 00:22:40,550 Speaker 1: been listening to the Disgraceland pod for a while now, 381 00:22:40,650 --> 00:22:42,429 Speaker 1: and I absolutely love it. And just want to say, 382 00:22:42,510 --> 00:22:44,510 Speaker 1: keep up the great work and keep pumping out these 383 00:22:44,570 --> 00:22:48,669 Speaker 1: amazing stories. You got it, 314. We are in a 384 00:22:48,869 --> 00:22:52,379 Speaker 1: heavy production mode right now. Heavy production. We've got a 385 00:22:52,430 --> 00:22:54,880 Speaker 1: lot going on. A lot. Like I said, I'm researching 386 00:22:54,920 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 1: Brian Jones. I just finished... What did I record yesterday? Oh, 387 00:23:01,859 --> 00:23:05,020 Speaker 1: the Buddy Holly story. No, I didn't do that yesterday. 388 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,510 Speaker 1: What did I do yesterday? Why am I blanking on this? 389 00:23:10,810 --> 00:23:15,609 Speaker 1: Hold on. Yesterday, I sat down in this chair and 390 00:23:15,650 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: I recorded an episode that Zeth wrote on Al Green. 391 00:23:19,700 --> 00:23:23,260 Speaker 1: Oh my God. Oh my God. You're not going to 392 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:27,580 Speaker 1: want to miss that. 949 texts in with a picture 393 00:23:27,850 --> 00:23:31,389 Speaker 1: of Alice Bagg. Oh, Alice Bagg. Picture of Alice Bagg 394 00:23:32,550 --> 00:23:37,090 Speaker 1: that it looks like the 949 took at the Skirble Gallery. 395 00:23:37,850 --> 00:23:39,370 Speaker 1: Texts in, hey, rock it from the crib and drive 396 00:23:39,390 --> 00:23:42,239 Speaker 1: like Jehu. One question, one answer. Question, do you have 397 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:47,100 Speaker 1: a rocket tattoo? I do. Answer, both Jehu records are stunning. 398 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,340 Speaker 1: Two-way tie. I don't have a Rocket from the Crypt tattoo. 399 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,210 Speaker 1: I have a New York Dolls tattoo, though, and a 400 00:23:52,250 --> 00:23:55,450 Speaker 1: Grateful Dead tattoo. I think Rocket from the Crypt lives 401 00:23:55,470 --> 00:23:58,230 Speaker 1: somewhere in between those two. I've seen Rocket from the 402 00:23:58,270 --> 00:23:59,989 Speaker 1: Crypt before. One of the best shows I've ever seen 403 00:24:00,010 --> 00:24:02,990 Speaker 1: in my life. I saw them downstairs at the Middle 404 00:24:03,070 --> 00:24:06,139 Speaker 1: East in Cambridge. Right around the time, it was before 405 00:24:06,180 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 1: Hot Charity. It was the one with On a Rope 406 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: on it. It was a great time to see that band. 407 00:24:11,490 --> 00:24:15,210 Speaker 1: And yeah, both Jehu records are stunning. Two-way tie. Feels 408 00:24:15,230 --> 00:24:18,310 Speaker 1: like an easy way out, 949. 949 also says, hey, 409 00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:19,810 Speaker 1: I'm listening to The After Party. If you do an 410 00:24:19,850 --> 00:24:21,689 Speaker 1: episode on Tiny Tim, be sure to check out the 411 00:24:21,730 --> 00:24:26,550 Speaker 1: interviews he did with Howard Stern. Amazing. Peace out. Tiny 412 00:24:26,609 --> 00:24:29,910 Speaker 1: Tim is interesting. Tiny Tim. Whoever suggested that last week, 413 00:24:29,950 --> 00:24:35,770 Speaker 1: thank you. Appreciate it. 617-906-6638. Voicemail and text. This is 414 00:24:35,810 --> 00:24:39,389 Speaker 1: the surefire way to get in touch with me and 415 00:24:39,470 --> 00:24:44,160 Speaker 1: to also get your recommendations in on which episodes we 416 00:24:44,180 --> 00:24:48,880 Speaker 1: should be covering at DisgracelandPod on the socials. Chris.Clary writes in, 417 00:24:49,060 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 1: blind melon forever. Steven LaDuke on Instagram writes in, every 418 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 1: time I hear this song, it's a Madonna song, I 419 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: think of Snatch. I just see Vinnie Jones and Bullet 420 00:24:59,980 --> 00:25:04,889 Speaker 1: Tooth Tony dragging in. buy his tie in a car. 421 00:25:06,590 --> 00:25:06,929 Speaker 2: Dags. 422 00:25:07,090 --> 00:25:08,910 Speaker 1: You like dags? That's all I got to say to you, 423 00:25:08,970 --> 00:25:11,690 Speaker 1: Steven LeDuc. No, appreciate you, man. Thank you. A lot 424 00:25:11,710 --> 00:25:14,750 Speaker 1: of Shannon Hoon and Blind Melon fans coming out of 425 00:25:14,770 --> 00:25:18,330 Speaker 1: the woodwork and they're angry on Instagram. They're angry. Their 426 00:25:18,430 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 1: butt is hurt because I said I didn't like Blind 427 00:25:20,619 --> 00:25:24,060 Speaker 1: Melon and I wasn't a fan, but you guys don't care. 428 00:25:24,100 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: You can handle it. The social media peeps, those who... 429 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: Do not listen to the podcast, but follow me on Instagram. 430 00:25:31,020 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: I have very, very thin skin. And you know what? 431 00:25:33,820 --> 00:25:35,619 Speaker 1: If you're not listening to the podcast and you're just 432 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,620 Speaker 1: following me on Instagram, well, I do not care about you. 433 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,070 Speaker 1: I guess I do a little, but not really. This 434 00:25:43,150 --> 00:25:45,670 Speaker 1: idea that people can't handle an opinion blows my mind though. 435 00:25:46,450 --> 00:25:49,830 Speaker 1: It just blows my mind. There's this thing called criticism. 436 00:25:50,650 --> 00:25:53,350 Speaker 1: And I don't know. It's been a part of my life, 437 00:25:53,450 --> 00:25:55,669 Speaker 1: my whole life. Then again, I'm older. than a lot 438 00:25:55,690 --> 00:25:57,470 Speaker 1: of people. And I don't know where this comes from, 439 00:25:57,510 --> 00:26:00,450 Speaker 1: where people just, they just goes right up their butt 440 00:26:00,609 --> 00:26:03,630 Speaker 1: when somebody doesn't like the exact same thing they like 441 00:26:03,730 --> 00:26:06,490 Speaker 1: in the exact same way. But I guess I shouldn't 442 00:26:06,530 --> 00:26:11,710 Speaker 1: be surprised. 617-906-6638, voicemail and text if you want a 443 00:26:11,770 --> 00:26:15,470 Speaker 1: deeper and better conversation than what you get on the socials, 444 00:26:15,670 --> 00:26:19,420 Speaker 1: you can get it here with me and Dr. Lundy. Also, 445 00:26:19,540 --> 00:26:23,700 Speaker 1: at DisgracelandPod, direct message on Instagram. Leave a comment if 446 00:26:23,740 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: you want as well. Join that discourse. But be forewarned, 447 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 1: people really like Blind Melon. And you know what? I 448 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: just got to clarify. It's not that I hate Blind Melon. 449 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 1: It's not like an active dislike. It's just like, meh. 450 00:26:39,270 --> 00:26:41,570 Speaker 1: I'm just not a fan. You know what I'm saying? 451 00:26:42,430 --> 00:26:44,190 Speaker 1: I do like the story, though. I like the story 452 00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:49,290 Speaker 1: of that guy, which is a different thing entirely. disgracemanpod.gmail.com 453 00:26:49,310 --> 00:26:50,950 Speaker 1: as well. We'll be back with your emails right after this. 454 00:27:05,450 --> 00:27:09,250 Speaker 1: Welcome back into the after party. So, hey guys, we're 455 00:27:09,290 --> 00:27:14,129 Speaker 1: doing something a little different. We are opening it up 456 00:27:14,290 --> 00:27:17,130 Speaker 1: in a more formal kind of way. the floor here 457 00:27:17,190 --> 00:27:19,490 Speaker 1: for you guys who are Sound and Fury members on 458 00:27:19,530 --> 00:27:23,550 Speaker 1: Patreon at the Sound and Fury level to join me 459 00:27:23,750 --> 00:27:27,730 Speaker 1: and Zeth and perhaps even Matt and Brett as well, 460 00:27:28,210 --> 00:27:30,679 Speaker 1: if he wants. Join us all, get in here, and 461 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 1: we can talk about what episodes we're going to produce 462 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,139 Speaker 1: for next year and make part of our programming schedule. 463 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 1: This is a perk that we offer our Sound and 464 00:27:40,380 --> 00:27:44,830 Speaker 1: Fury Patreon subscribers. patrons all access members and we're trying 465 00:27:44,850 --> 00:27:46,430 Speaker 1: to figure out when to do this and part of 466 00:27:46,470 --> 00:27:48,830 Speaker 1: this is it's very difficult and part of that is 467 00:27:48,869 --> 00:27:52,170 Speaker 1: my fault because this year this summer in particular really 468 00:27:52,290 --> 00:27:54,060 Speaker 1: flew by there's a lot of travel as there was 469 00:27:54,100 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 1: for a lot of us but we're talking on patreon 470 00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,459 Speaker 1: and um trying to figure out if we can do 471 00:27:59,500 --> 00:28:01,300 Speaker 1: this before the end of the year or if this 472 00:28:01,340 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 1: makes sense to do at the beginning of next year 473 00:28:04,740 --> 00:28:07,290 Speaker 1: so far it's kind of a mixed bag if you 474 00:28:07,310 --> 00:28:12,500 Speaker 1: guys have any strong opinions please Get into Patreon. I 475 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,290 Speaker 1: made the post yesterday, so it should be pretty high 476 00:28:15,550 --> 00:28:20,710 Speaker 1: up in the feed. Let your voice be known. 702 477 00:28:20,710 --> 00:28:25,130 Speaker 1: Sunshine sent in some recommendations right there in the comments. 478 00:28:25,150 --> 00:28:28,820 Speaker 1: It says, hey, doing a single week focused on John 479 00:28:28,859 --> 00:28:31,420 Speaker 1: and Mackenzie Phillips. I'm going to stop you right there, 480 00:28:31,420 --> 00:28:36,900 Speaker 1: 702 Sunshine. I woke up this morning with young girls 481 00:28:37,100 --> 00:28:41,490 Speaker 1: are going to the canyon. in my head because I 482 00:28:41,510 --> 00:28:44,410 Speaker 1: was driving the other day. I was driving through Miami 483 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 1: and I heard that song. And I just thought, given 484 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:54,100 Speaker 1: all we now know about Papa John Phillips, that song 485 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: is insane. And I really want to do this episode. 486 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: But 702 Sunshine says, doing a single week focused on 487 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,590 Speaker 1: John and Mackenzie Phillips would cover everything, music, Hollywood history 488 00:29:04,650 --> 00:29:06,730 Speaker 1: and true crime all tied to one family. You get 489 00:29:06,750 --> 00:29:09,810 Speaker 1: the classic Mamas and Papas era, the dark Laurel Canyon scene, 490 00:29:10,330 --> 00:29:13,190 Speaker 1: and their intense personal drama all wrapped into one story. 491 00:29:13,260 --> 00:29:16,420 Speaker 1: It's the perfect pitch for a debauchery-themed lineup. If you 492 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 1: haven't read Mackenzie's bio, you will go to dark places. 493 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,780 Speaker 1: I am going to go there, 702 Sunshine. I'm just 494 00:29:23,820 --> 00:29:27,030 Speaker 1: not sure when. 702 Sunshine, if you have not heard 495 00:29:27,210 --> 00:29:30,350 Speaker 1: our Mamas and the Papas two-part episode, I invite you 496 00:29:30,370 --> 00:29:32,110 Speaker 1: to do that. But I do not get into the 497 00:29:32,210 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: Mackenzie John Phillips piece. Lisa Wade Duncan writes in, my 498 00:29:35,740 --> 00:29:39,950 Speaker 1: two suggestions are Dolores O'Riordan and Sinead O'Connor. I have more. 499 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,260 Speaker 1: I'll send them over. This is great guys. We're getting 500 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,450 Speaker 1: a little ahead of ourselves. I'm happy to always to 501 00:29:44,510 --> 00:29:48,310 Speaker 1: discuss recommendations here in the after party and on Patreon 502 00:29:48,370 --> 00:29:50,430 Speaker 1: and wherever. But again, I want to find a time 503 00:29:50,470 --> 00:29:53,230 Speaker 1: when we can meet on zoom. So if you got 504 00:29:53,270 --> 00:29:55,030 Speaker 1: a hard take on that, is it the end of 505 00:29:55,070 --> 00:29:57,210 Speaker 1: this year? Is it the beginning of next year? Get 506 00:29:57,750 --> 00:29:59,709 Speaker 1: in the chat over on Patreon. Let us know. And 507 00:29:59,750 --> 00:30:01,370 Speaker 1: I'm leaning toward the beginning of next year. I think 508 00:30:01,410 --> 00:30:03,830 Speaker 1: Zeth is as well. And I think the comments here, 509 00:30:03,850 --> 00:30:07,370 Speaker 1: you guys are kind of open to that. Disgracelandpod.com. You 510 00:30:07,390 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 1: want to become an all-access member on Patreon, go ahead 511 00:30:10,190 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: and sign up over there. I'd like to welcome some 512 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: new listeners in Patreon, some new supporters. Boots in the doorway. 513 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,700 Speaker 1: 702 Sunshine, didn't realize you were new. Welcome. 514 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 2: Welcome. 515 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 1: Michael Geiss, Geiss or Geiss? Anyways, Michael, welcome. Appreciate you. 516 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,340 Speaker 1: Courtney Henderson. Hope you guys are digging the vibe in Patreon. 517 00:30:30,020 --> 00:30:32,220 Speaker 1: Get in the chat. Helltown Mark will hook you up 518 00:30:32,260 --> 00:30:35,719 Speaker 1: with something. He's always giving us something, Helltown Mark. Everybody is. 519 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 1: The all-access members are great. DisgracingPod.com to sign up to 520 00:30:38,980 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: become an all-access member on Patreon. This email comes from 521 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: Verna Sutherland. Subject, Reggie Watts. First, I've been listening since 522 00:30:49,580 --> 00:30:53,220 Speaker 1: the beginning of And that episode on John Denver still 523 00:30:53,260 --> 00:30:57,420 Speaker 1: haunts me. Excellent writing and storytelling. About the Reggie Watts episode. 524 00:30:57,830 --> 00:31:00,350 Speaker 1: I loved Reggie on Comedy Bang Bang. Always thought he 525 00:31:00,370 --> 00:31:02,970 Speaker 1: was a big, goofy teddy bear. Recently heard him on 526 00:31:02,990 --> 00:31:06,709 Speaker 1: a podcast and he was a boorish know-it-all. Really changed 527 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,460 Speaker 1: my mind about who I thought he was. Is he 528 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,090 Speaker 1: responsible for Catherine's death? Hell no. They knew each other 529 00:31:13,140 --> 00:31:17,250 Speaker 1: for a year. All of her quote-unquote concerned friends and 530 00:31:17,350 --> 00:31:20,850 Speaker 1: family should have done more to save her, intervened, etc. 531 00:31:21,490 --> 00:31:25,620 Speaker 1: Should we blame James Corden for turning Reggie into an asshole? Nope. 532 00:31:26,060 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: He's a grown-ass man making his own terrible choices just 533 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,620 Speaker 1: as Catherine did. Still a great tragedy. Thank you for 534 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 1: your excellent pods. Glad you're with Exactly Right. Rock a 535 00:31:37,500 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 1: roll of Verna Sutherland. Thank you so much for the email. 536 00:31:39,820 --> 00:31:43,740 Speaker 1: A lot to unpack here. Reggie Watts is a very 537 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:48,260 Speaker 1: interesting character to me because yes, he's a celebrity and 538 00:31:48,300 --> 00:31:52,380 Speaker 1: James Corden certainly had a lot to do with bringing 539 00:31:52,460 --> 00:31:56,030 Speaker 1: him to a wider audience, at least with name recognition. 540 00:31:56,070 --> 00:31:57,930 Speaker 1: But he comes from comedy, bang, bang, and sort of 541 00:31:57,950 --> 00:32:02,020 Speaker 1: the quote unquote alt comedy scene, whatever that is. And 542 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 1: like I said, he's just a guy who's around. And 543 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:09,590 Speaker 1: even if you're in the entertainment world at the level 544 00:32:09,770 --> 00:32:12,550 Speaker 1: I am, which is to say out on the margins, 545 00:32:13,490 --> 00:32:15,820 Speaker 1: he's still kind of around. You know what I mean? 546 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: I mentioned in the episode that I have a recollection 547 00:32:18,580 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 1: of being at a party or an event or something 548 00:32:20,380 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 1: and he was there. I still don't know what it was, 549 00:32:22,100 --> 00:32:24,460 Speaker 1: but I'm certain he was there. He's hard to miss. 550 00:32:24,740 --> 00:32:26,700 Speaker 1: So that makes him very interesting to me. And we 551 00:32:26,740 --> 00:32:29,770 Speaker 1: have some Exactly Right fans here at Double Elvis, and 552 00:32:29,810 --> 00:32:32,270 Speaker 1: we have some Comedy Bang Bang fans here at Double 553 00:32:32,370 --> 00:32:36,610 Speaker 1: Elvis as well. But when it comes to assigning blame, 554 00:32:36,630 --> 00:32:41,490 Speaker 1: that's a good question. And it wasn't fully the thesis 555 00:32:41,530 --> 00:32:44,750 Speaker 1: of that episode. I was more trying to get at 556 00:32:44,810 --> 00:32:48,430 Speaker 1: the counter, the contrast between the goofy teddy bear that 557 00:32:48,510 --> 00:32:52,270 Speaker 1: you have mentioned here and sort of the wolf in 558 00:32:52,310 --> 00:32:56,090 Speaker 1: sheep's clothing, the bad guy, the guy our moms warned 559 00:32:56,290 --> 00:32:59,860 Speaker 1: us and or if we're female, if we're male, excuse me, 560 00:32:59,890 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 1: our sisters about. Anyhow, I think we answered that question 561 00:33:05,340 --> 00:33:12,210 Speaker 1: without blaming him directly. for Catherine's death. And when it 562 00:33:12,330 --> 00:33:18,670 Speaker 1: comes to that event, again, Reggie Watts denies any responsibility. 563 00:33:19,810 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: But when it comes to an event like that, a 564 00:33:21,710 --> 00:33:27,700 Speaker 1: deeply personal event like that, it's really hard to say 565 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,700 Speaker 1: one way or another what happened definitively. We can have 566 00:33:30,740 --> 00:33:33,900 Speaker 1: our feelings, we can have our ideas, our opinions, our thoughts, 567 00:33:35,060 --> 00:33:39,610 Speaker 1: and hopefully, most important, we can learn from it. Anyways, 568 00:33:40,030 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 1: those are my thoughts. Putting a bow on the Reggie 569 00:33:42,500 --> 00:33:45,900 Speaker 1: Watts story. Verna, I appreciate your email. Thank you so much. 570 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,980 Speaker 1: Disgracelandpod at gmail.com if you guys want to get at 571 00:33:49,220 --> 00:33:55,230 Speaker 1: us about Reggie Watts or anything else. Wrapping up Halloween 572 00:33:55,410 --> 00:33:58,850 Speaker 1: over in the Hollywood Lamb podcast with the silence of 573 00:33:58,890 --> 00:34:02,340 Speaker 1: the lambs in our screening room this week. Jumping off 574 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:07,550 Speaker 1: of our Archive episode on Jodie Foster. Zeth, he's got 575 00:34:07,570 --> 00:34:08,750 Speaker 1: you in the wrap party. He's got you in the 576 00:34:08,770 --> 00:34:10,969 Speaker 1: screening room. I got you in the archive episode. Make 577 00:34:10,989 --> 00:34:14,390 Speaker 1: sure you're subscribed to Hollywoodland on Apple Podcasts, the iHeartRadio app, 578 00:34:14,489 --> 00:34:16,950 Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts. As I mentioned before, 579 00:34:16,969 --> 00:34:20,620 Speaker 1: Shaun of the Dead. Shaun of the Dead is our 580 00:34:20,660 --> 00:34:23,819 Speaker 1: last episode. Our most recent episode of this film should 581 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,500 Speaker 1: be played loud. We are still trying to figure out 582 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,620 Speaker 1: what we're doing this month. We wanted to do Last Waltz, 583 00:34:28,660 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 1: and somebody on Patreon made a really great point of like, 584 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,489 Speaker 1: how do you do the categories? And at first I 585 00:34:34,590 --> 00:34:36,489 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, you can't do it. But now I'm 586 00:34:36,510 --> 00:34:38,250 Speaker 1: kind of like, well, maybe we can do it in 587 00:34:38,270 --> 00:34:40,989 Speaker 1: a really creative and fun way. But I don't know. 588 00:34:41,510 --> 00:34:41,810 Speaker 2: I don't know. 589 00:34:41,830 --> 00:34:44,549 Speaker 1: There's also some talk of planes, trains, and automobiles. And 590 00:34:44,630 --> 00:34:47,549 Speaker 1: forgive me if we've already decided this on Patreon and 591 00:34:47,570 --> 00:34:51,850 Speaker 1: I'm just confused. Like I said, forgive me. Anyhow, this 592 00:34:51,890 --> 00:34:53,110 Speaker 1: film should be played loud. We're going to have one 593 00:34:53,130 --> 00:34:55,989 Speaker 1: that's Thanksgiving themed. I know that. That'll be coming up 594 00:34:56,010 --> 00:34:58,330 Speaker 1: at the end of this month. Go to disgracelandpod.com to 595 00:34:58,390 --> 00:35:01,390 Speaker 1: sign up and become an All Access member and unlock 596 00:35:01,430 --> 00:35:05,140 Speaker 1: bonus content just like this, plus ad-free listening. And when 597 00:35:05,180 --> 00:35:07,160 Speaker 1: I say bonus content, I'm not just talking about this 598 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 1: film should be played loud. I am also talking about 599 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,900 Speaker 1: the exclusive portion of this after party where, in a 600 00:35:12,940 --> 00:35:15,299 Speaker 1: few moments, if you are an All Access member, you 601 00:35:15,340 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 1: will hear Zeth and I discussing what it's like to 602 00:35:18,180 --> 00:35:21,890 Speaker 1: grow up in the shadow of Stephen King. Okay, that 603 00:35:21,910 --> 00:35:24,550 Speaker 1: conversation is coming up right now for all AXS members. 604 00:35:24,910 --> 00:35:39,859 Speaker 1: Be back after this. All right, guys, we are back. 605 00:35:39,890 --> 00:35:42,750 Speaker 1: Just my weekly reminder here, get into the archive, find 606 00:35:42,790 --> 00:35:45,050 Speaker 1: yourself an old episode of Disgraceland to keep you warm 607 00:35:45,110 --> 00:35:50,330 Speaker 1: on this cooling autumn nights. We are approaching our 300th episode. 608 00:35:50,350 --> 00:35:52,130 Speaker 1: So if you've got a favorite musician, there's a good 609 00:35:52,170 --> 00:35:54,790 Speaker 1: chance we've done an episode on them. Now let's recap, 610 00:35:54,850 --> 00:35:57,029 Speaker 1: shall we? Number one, this week, our new episode on 611 00:35:57,110 --> 00:35:59,610 Speaker 1: Shannon Hoon from Blind Melon. That's available for you right now. 612 00:35:59,630 --> 00:36:02,110 Speaker 1: Number two, in the rewind slot this weekend, our classic 613 00:36:02,219 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 1: episodes on Britney Spears, parts one and part two. Number three, 614 00:36:06,219 --> 00:36:09,600 Speaker 1: next week, our next new episode that's coming. And that 615 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 1: is going to be on Buddy Holly. We're going to 616 00:36:11,420 --> 00:36:13,299 Speaker 1: try to figure out, did Buddy Holly shoot down his 617 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,100 Speaker 1: own plane? Holy cow. this story. Number four, Zeth gives 618 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,719 Speaker 1: you those Hollywood and crime vibes in the Hollywoodland feed. 619 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,950 Speaker 1: So make sure you're subscribed. And I give you my 620 00:36:21,989 --> 00:36:24,790 Speaker 1: music recommendations in the wrap party. There's another reason to 621 00:36:24,810 --> 00:36:28,569 Speaker 1: get to Hollywoodland delivered straight to your podcast app. Subscribe 622 00:36:28,610 --> 00:36:32,270 Speaker 1: to Hollywoodland. Number five, the current episode of this film 623 00:36:32,290 --> 00:36:35,050 Speaker 1: should be played loud. Our video podcast episode on Shaun 624 00:36:35,070 --> 00:36:38,360 Speaker 1: of the Dead is available for our all access members. 625 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:43,670 Speaker 1: Go to disgracelandpod.com to sign up. Number six, 617-906-6638. Your 626 00:36:43,710 --> 00:36:46,170 Speaker 1: voice keeps us digging into the dark corners of music history. 627 00:36:46,190 --> 00:36:48,930 Speaker 1: So keep calling, texting with your answers to this week's 628 00:36:48,969 --> 00:36:50,969 Speaker 1: question of the week or with whatever else you guys 629 00:36:50,989 --> 00:36:53,259 Speaker 1: want to talk about. Number seven, don't forget discos. This 630 00:36:53,340 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 1: isn't just content. It's community, a community of the obsessed. 631 00:36:56,460 --> 00:36:58,299 Speaker 1: And no one cares about music books, records, and the 632 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,460 Speaker 1: crime and grime that ties them all together like you do. 633 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 1: And well, that's a disgrace. All right, back on October 21st, 1995, 634 00:37:04,580 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 1: Shannon Hoon was found dead, unfortunately, on a tour bus 635 00:37:08,739 --> 00:37:11,589 Speaker 1: in New Orleans. And this is what America was listening 636 00:37:11,620 --> 00:37:16,770 Speaker 1: to on that day according to the Billboard charts. Number one, fantasy, 637 00:37:17,650 --> 00:37:24,150 Speaker 1: Mariah Carey. Last week, one. Peak position, one. Weeks on chart, four. 638 00:37:24,830 --> 00:37:30,320 Speaker 1: Number two, gangsta's paradise, Coolio. Last week. 2. Peak Position. 1. 639 00:37:30,300 --> 00:37:32,230 Speaker 1: Weeks on Chart. 10. Number 3. Runaway. Janet Jackson. Last week. 4. 640 00:37:32,219 --> 00:37:34,839 Speaker 1: Peak Position. 3. Weeks on Chart. 6. Number 4. 641 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:35,479 Speaker 3: Kiss from Rose. 642 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:35,780 Speaker 2: Seal. 643 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,219 Speaker 1: Last week. 5. Peak Position. 1. Weeks on Chart. 10. 644 00:37:38,200 --> 00:38:10,750 Speaker 1: Number 5. We're Not Alone. Quit talking and start mixing.