1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the all New Toyota Corolla. Welcome 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: to you Stuff you should know Fromdhouse Stuff Works dot Com. Hey, 3 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:18,119 Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, There's Charles W. 4 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: Chuck Bryant, and very appropriately for this one, we have 5 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:26,240 Speaker 1: our buddy Matt, who's guest producing because he knows how 6 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: to do that kind of thing in addition to his 7 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: awesome show stuff they don't want to know, which he 8 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: does with our other friend Ben. And uh, it's it 9 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:38,840 Speaker 1: covers conspiracy theories. And we are podcasting on who killed 10 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: JFK the day before the anniversary of that Fateful Day anniversary, 11 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: right fiftieth anniversary November nine in Dallas. And so you 12 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,639 Speaker 1: made a joke that Matt was just gonna be over 13 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: there the whole time going shia. Really uh huh. Yeah, 14 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: it wasn't a mob. Yeah, three tramps whatever. I like 15 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: the three trans want It's it's ridiculous, but it's my 16 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: favorite one. Yeah, I got some good stuff on that 17 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 1: um In two thousand three, Josh An ABC News poll 18 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: came out ten years ago, seventy of Americans believe the 19 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: assassination of John F. Kennedy was part of a broader plot. 20 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: What percentage believe that and believe that Lee Harvey Oswald 21 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: acted alone. Well, so it's the thing. It's it will 22 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 1: not die. No, it won't. It never will, I don't think. Well, 23 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 1: it's very much entrenched in popular culture as well too, 24 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: Like even it's become a parody of itself as well. Yeah, 25 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: you know, was just the idea that there's this outstanding 26 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: question that will never be put to rest. Yeah, Like 27 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: Lone Gunmen and Grassy Knoll, like all these are almost 28 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: like buzz terms. Now, Yeah, the Lone Gunmen, they made 29 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: an appearance in the X Files, they were recurring characters. 30 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: Trio of Guys, Uh and the Misfits have a song 31 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: about the afk assassination. Um magic Bullet but there's a 32 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: band called Magic Bullets. There's all sorts of stuff. Um, 33 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: So let's get into this because I think our colleague 34 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: Jonathan's Tricklin of tech Stuff did a really good job 35 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: of like handling what could have easily been like a 36 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:27,119 Speaker 1: fifty page quagmire. And he basically says like, but here's 37 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 1: all the facts, and this is why the what's on 38 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: the surface is probably the likeliest thing to happen and happened. 39 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: We should see U a little bit here. There are 40 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: hundreds of books written about various conspiracies, uh conspiracy theories 41 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: on the JFK assassination, and we are we don't have 42 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: like eighteen episodes to dedicate to this, so this will 43 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: be a skimming of the topic. UM. I don't want 44 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:56,239 Speaker 1: anyone to be like, oh, Josh and Chuck are gonna 45 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: get down the bottom of this, like people, that's some 46 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: people's life's were, you know, dedicated to this? Yeah. I mean, 47 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 1: if we're anything, we're dilettants. Every week we go from 48 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: one subject to the next. That is true. So I 49 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: guess let's begin at the beginning, just to get it 50 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: all out on the table. Okay, all right, Okay, so Chucky. 51 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: On November eighth, nineteen sixty three, UM, the Secret Service 52 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 1: found the proposed route for the president Presidential Murtorcaide's visit 53 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 1: to Dallas. And there was a reason the president was 54 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: coming to Dallas. It was a very good reason. And UM, 55 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: this is why he was in Texas, why he was 56 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: trying to basically sort of unite the Democratic Party. Um, 57 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: he was meeting with with his vice president and the 58 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: governor of Texas, and there was some bickering going on 59 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: within the party and he basically wanted to He's trying 60 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: to get reelected, is what he was doing, right, But 61 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: that was a big part of it. But it is true. 62 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: Governor Connelly Um and Senator Richard Yarborough were publicly feuding. 63 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: Um and they're both Democrats, so basically their great father 64 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: was going to come and make peace with them among 65 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: them publicly tour the state of Texas to help him 66 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: self get reelected, but also to show Texas like, hey, 67 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: the Texas Democrats are all family. Here. Family fights sometimes, 68 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 1: but we're still all family and we still have the 69 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: same grand vision. I know, I'm a Catholic from New England, 70 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: but we're all the same. It me nine Texan. Uh so, okay, 71 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: where are we? They find out the route from love 72 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: Field to um Daly Plaza. They publicize that in the newspapers. 73 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: Everyone knew about it because you know people, they wanted 74 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 1: people to come out and wave like they did on 75 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 1: November nine. The route was published in the papers and 76 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 1: the published one Yes. And then on November twenty ninety three, 77 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: that fateful day, Air Force one lands at love Field 78 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 1: the President gets in his presidential limousine and they started 79 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: making their way toward Deeley Plaza, along with Governor Connelly 80 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 1: and his wife and of course Jackie and then a 81 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: couple of secret service dudes. That's in the one car. 82 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: In a car behind them is lb J Senator Yarborough 83 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 1: and some other secret service guys. Right, that's right. So 84 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: they're apparently as they were headed toward Deely Plausa, they 85 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: got delayed because um, Kennedy stopped and uh kind of 86 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: soaked up the people waving and cheering and all that 87 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: and gave gave some back to him. Yeah, and so 88 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: they were a little bit delayed, um getting to Deely Plaza. 89 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: But when they did, at about twelve thirty, as they 90 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 1: were arriving in the presidential motorcade, a shot rang out 91 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: and then there was two more shots at least. Yeah, 92 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: and uh with the second shot, they think the president 93 00:05:55,680 --> 00:06:00,160 Speaker 1: he threw his hands up to his neck and Jackie 94 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 1: leaned over to kind of like say what's going on, 95 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, the back right side 96 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: of the President's head blew off. Yes, it is very graphic. 97 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: If you see the slowed down enhanced Zapruder film on 98 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: YouTube today. Very affecting too. It's really sad. Yeah, it's 99 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: terribly sad. And this was not even a part of 100 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: our generation. Like this kind of stuff still makes people 101 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: like our parents breakdown sometimes, you know. So that was 102 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: thirty Within about anywhere between four and eight seconds, at 103 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 1: least three shots were fired, one missed probably the second 104 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: and third one hit the president first in the back 105 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,280 Speaker 1: of the neck, exited his throat, and the third one 106 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: blew his head off. Yeah, let's talk about the that 107 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: magic bullet since we should go ahead and clear that up. 108 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: H it hit I guess this is a second bullet 109 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 1: that passed through his throat. It went on to hit 110 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: Governor Connelly in the back, but in his armpit. Yeah, 111 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: below the right armpit. Um exited below the right nipple. 112 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: Um then hit his wrist that was in his lap, 113 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: and then continue through the wrist through his left thigh. 114 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: And that's why they call it the magic bullet. And 115 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: if you've seen Oliver Stone's movie, they kind of, you know, 116 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: m make fun of it in court like that is 117 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: one magic bullet. That's where it got the name back 118 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: into the left back into the left Remember the Seinfeld thing, 119 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: yeah with the spit with Keith hernandez. Um. But and 120 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: I remember my brother in law, the Marine, explaining to 121 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: me years ago that bullets tumble and can do some 122 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: really crazy things, like he's seen it happen on firing 123 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: ranges and and pus. Also, this is a very very 124 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: powerful bullet. Yeah. It was a six point five millimeter bullet, 125 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: which is basically like a little um howits her shell? Yeah, 126 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: it's huge and it travels very quickly. Yeah, and um, 127 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: they have done test that, even though it seems unlikely, 128 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: that show that it is possible that a bullet can 129 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: change directions and do kind of crazy things once it 130 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: starts hitting bone and other things. Yeah. So um that was, 131 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:13,119 Speaker 1: like you said, the second bullet most likely. Um, Within 132 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: just a few seconds after the first shot, Kennedy is 133 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: lying there, um motionless. Jackie's like reaching back across the 134 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: trunk of the car. Yeah, trying to get help from 135 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: a secret Service agent who I believe jumps into the car. Yeah. 136 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: Well actually they they think that she was picked up 137 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: part of his brain tissue. Okay, I heard that before too. Yeah, 138 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: I looked into that today, but I was watching the 139 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 1: repruter film and it looks it looked to me like 140 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 1: she was reaching back like help. But I've heard that 141 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: before as well. Well. Apparently she was quoted um by 142 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: I think Connolly's wife and one other person at the 143 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 1: time of saying he's dead and look, I have I 144 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 1: have his brain in my hand. Um. She I read 145 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: her testimony for the Warran Commission and she says she 146 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: didn't even remember any of that. But whether or not 147 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: that's true, it's awful. So when she was trying to 148 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: hold his head together on the way to the hospital, Yeah, 149 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 1: So in the car behind them, uh, a Secret Service 150 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: agent pounces on LBJ and like throws him onto the 151 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: seat and lays on top of him. Um. I think 152 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: his name is Rufus young Blood, the CIA or the 153 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: Secret Service agent. The motor kid just takes off to 154 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: the hospital park Memorial Parkland Parkland Memorial and um again, 155 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:35,559 Speaker 1: the the motor kid inner dally Plase at twelve thirty. 156 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:38,839 Speaker 1: By one pm, the President has been pronounced dead at 157 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 1: Parkland Memorial Hospital in Dallas. It was just a few 158 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 1: miles away. Um, so that was one pm. That was 159 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: one pm. Um, I guess we should talk about the 160 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: grassy Knoll real quick because a lot of people, um 161 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: have said, you know, a shot have There were a 162 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:58,199 Speaker 1: lot of misleading and conflicting accounts, which is where a 163 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:03,319 Speaker 1: lot of the trouble started. I witnesses not collaborating stories. Uh. 164 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: The acoustics at Dealey Plaza were funky because of all 165 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 1: the buildings and it's three side buildings and then one 166 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: side like Grassy Knoll. Basically yeah, so like, where did 167 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: the shot come from? I thought it came from over here. 168 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: From the sounds, um, it was basically pretty tough to pinpoint. 169 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: And the Grassy Knoll there was a police officer named 170 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: Clyde hey Good that there are pictures of him, you know, 171 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: running towards the Grassy Knoll, and a lot of folks thought, hey, 172 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 1: he's running like towards a suspect, when in fact, he 173 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: was running toward another police officer to you know, say, hey, 174 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 1: what should we do? I guess? So the I guess. 175 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: The way it's been explained away over the years is 176 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: the the acoustics and the fact that that cop was 177 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: running towards the Grassy Knoll has made some people think 178 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: that there was more than one shooter, and another shooter 179 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: was on the grassy knoll. That's right. The official line 180 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: is that that's not the case, though, that's right. Um, 181 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: so one PM, the president's pronounced dead. At two thirty eight, 182 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: UM Johnson, Jackie Kennedy, UH, Johnson's staff, pretty much everybody 183 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: was back on Air Force one and UM they called 184 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 1: Bobby Kennedy to ask what to do and to tell 185 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: him what had happened. And Bobby Kennedy said, you need 186 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 1: to swear Johnson and before you guys leave the ground. 187 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: So they found a judge, brought her on board, and 188 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: she swore Johnson in as president, and then they took 189 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: off and flew back to Washington. Very famous photo, yeah, 190 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:28,959 Speaker 1: with him being sworn in on board Air Force one, 191 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: right with Jackie on NASA's or Jackie Kennedy's face. Just 192 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: like the fact that she was able to stand is 193 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: pretty amazing. Apparently they turned her in such a way 194 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: so that the blood stains were an apparent in the photograph. Man, 195 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: I don't know if it was Air Force one yet 196 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 1: it was. UM, alright, so where are we? Uh? Four 197 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 1: minutes after the shooting, Dallas police uh looked at the 198 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: Texas School Book Depository building and said, hey, that might 199 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 1: have been where this came from. It's a pretty prime 200 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: location for a sniper. And there was an eyewitness named 201 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: Howard Brennan who saw a figure in the window and 202 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: gave a description which fit Lee Harvey Oswald. So this 203 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: this one dude actually saw him in the window on 204 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 1: the sixth floor. Pretty believable that you could see someone 205 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 1: from that range. The guy said, I knew it was 206 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: Oswald all along. So there was a cop that was 207 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: in the book depository within two minutes of the shooting. Yeah, 208 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,199 Speaker 1: Marian Baker was kind of took the initiative to go 209 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: ahead and get in there. So we went in there 210 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: and he met up with the superintendent of the building, 211 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 1: a guy named Truly, and they started um walking up 212 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: the steps and at the second floor they came upon 213 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 1: Lee Harvey Oswald who was leaving. He was leaving. Truly 214 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: vouched for Oswald, and Oswald was allowed to leave. And 215 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: the reason Truly vouched for Oswald's because just a couple 216 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: of weeks before, about a month before, Oswald had gotten 217 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 1: a job at that book depository, so he checked out 218 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: as far as Truly was concerned. The officer who was 219 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: with Truly said, well, okay, and they kept looking and 220 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: a few minutes after that, lieutenant showed up and took 221 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: over the crime scene and they started scouring the building 222 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,199 Speaker 1: and on the sixth floor they found the sniper's nest 223 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: that's right with UM three empty cartridges and the gun 224 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:24,959 Speaker 1: UH telescopic rifle, UH telescopic site, and a bolt action rifle. 225 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 1: And it was pretty much a no brainer at that point, 226 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:31,839 Speaker 1: or at least on the surface. This is where it 227 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: came from, right, So, um, after Oswald left his uh 228 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: left the book depository, he went to um the place 229 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 1: where he was running a room, the house where he's 230 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: running a room, and grabbed a pistol. And as he's 231 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: walking along and this is about the same time that 232 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: Kennedy's being pronounced dead, he's walking along the street, he 233 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 1: Um encountered a cop named J. D. Tippett, and apparently 234 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 1: Oswald just opened fire on this cop, shot him four times, 235 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:03,079 Speaker 1: killed him instantly. Yeah. Well, he was investigating Oswald because 236 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: the the A p B had already come through with 237 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: the description of Oswald, and he was like, well, this 238 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 1: guy fits that description. Let me talk to him. And 239 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: it didn't take long though I don't think there was 240 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:16,839 Speaker 1: much of a discussion before Oswald shot him and killed him. 241 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: And um, actually, when Oswald was finally apprehended, it was 242 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: for the murder of the cop. They they didn't know 243 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: he had anything to do with Kennedy at the time. Yeah, yeah, 244 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: at the time. Uh, he ducked into a theater, the 245 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: Texas Theater, into the movie War as Hell, And I 246 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: think he snuck in, And that's why they called the 247 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: cops because they're like, hey, someone stuck in the theater. 248 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: So he would have had a bought a ticket. He 249 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: might not have ever been caught. You never know. You 250 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: know what's interesting about that, there's all these parallels between 251 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: the Lincoln assassination and the Kennedy assassination. Um, some are untrue, 252 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: some are just ridiculous. But one of them was that 253 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: John Wilkes Booth killed Lincoln in a theater and went 254 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: and hit out in a warehouse, and Lee Harvey Oswald 255 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: killed Kennedy from where our house and went and hit 256 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: out in a theater where he was caught. That's a 257 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: pretty good one. I like that one. Um. So he 258 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: was apprehended in the theater and reportedly said, well, it's 259 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: all over now. But he also said something interesting at 260 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: one point to the media I'm a patsy, which has 261 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: fueled speculation over the years that, uh, well, we'll get 262 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: into the different theories before we go any further. Get this, 263 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: the president of the United States of America has just 264 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: been shot in front of a crowd in Dallas. That's right. 265 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: That's huge, that's enormous. That's what's going on right now. 266 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: And there's a man hunt for this guy who's just 267 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: been caught for killing a cop. Yeah, so people don't 268 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: know that the president's killer has just been caught as well. 269 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: That's right. So this is a it's a pretty emotional time. Uh, 270 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: and let's talk about Oswald himself. But first, um, let's 271 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: do a message break and we'll talk about Oswald when 272 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: we come back. A h alright, So here's a little 273 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: bit about Lee Harvey Oswald. He was a mixed up guy. Um, 274 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: he was sort of an outcast, sort of didn't really 275 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: fit in. He was born in Um his father died 276 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: two months before he was born, which I think, you know, 277 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: probably has a lot to do with emotional scarring later 278 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: on and maybe being a mixed up kid. Uh. He 279 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: was in an orphanage for a little while with an 280 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: older brother and half brother, but his mother was able 281 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: to get him back out of that orphanage uh and 282 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 1: raised them age five five when he got taken on 283 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: the orphanage, which was enough years to also do some 284 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: damage psychologically. I think that probably set the theme because 285 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: I read a little bit about what you know, contemporary 286 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: reports of him growing up concluded his problem was and 287 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: that it was. One social worker said that he believed 288 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: his mother doesn't give a damn about him, uh so 289 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: uh and that somebody else said that they've never met 290 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:07,160 Speaker 1: a kid more emotionally starved than this guy. Uh So. 291 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:09,640 Speaker 1: I'm quite sure that being left it in an orphanage, 292 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: even being picked back up after a while it was, 293 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: probably did have a pretty big effect on him on 294 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,120 Speaker 1: his development and how he viewed his mother. Well. Yeah, 295 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 1: and when you look at what he did for the 296 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 1: rest of his life, um, it seems like he was 297 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: always looking for a new family quote unquote, um, whether 298 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: it was the Marxist or the Communists, or Cuba or Russia. Like, 299 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 1: it seems like he never and it's kind of a 300 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: it's like one oh one, you know, he was looking 301 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: to fit in somehow somewhere with somebody, but at the 302 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: same time, it was always on the fringe of wherever 303 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: he was at. Yah, you know what I mean, Like 304 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: he's never happy with where he was. He wanted to 305 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: fit into whatever was counter what he was doing or 306 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: with the status quo of where he was right. So 307 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: at sixteen he drops out of school and tries to 308 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,919 Speaker 1: join the Marine Corps. Um he was too young, so 309 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: they said come back later. He wrote the Socialist Party 310 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:08,360 Speaker 1: when he was Socialist Party of America when he was seventeen, 311 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:11,400 Speaker 1: to say, hey, I'm weigh into Marxism and like, can 312 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: I come join your club? I guess at the very 313 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 1: least we send me a free button. Uh. And then 314 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: at seventeen he reapplied to the Marine Corps and he 315 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 1: was old enough at that point. And turns out he 316 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: had quite an act for shooting guns. He's a sharp 317 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: shooter during boot camp, but then during the actual ranking 318 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 1: testing only rated as a marksman, which is still really good. Yeah, 319 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 1: just below sharp shoot the sharp shooter the highest or 320 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 1: is that the dead eyes the highest level. I think 321 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:42,120 Speaker 1: sharp shooters size. But at the same time, even while 322 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 1: he was a marine, a Marine marksman, he um he 323 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 1: taught himself Russian. He studied about the Soviet Union and communism. 324 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: And this is during the Cold War. This is like 325 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 1: during the most paranoid finger pointing part of the Cold War. 326 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 1: But Oswald's in the Marines, like teaching himself Russian and everything, 327 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 1: see what I mean, like a confused guy. Yeah, but 328 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 1: even still like it's just it's so strange to me 329 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: learning about his experience that he was relatively left alone 330 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: while expressing pretty publicly this interest in the Soviet Union 331 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:19,880 Speaker 1: and communism during the peak of the Cold War. It's 332 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: just I thought, if you had if you even wore 333 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: the color red, people like communists get him. But apparently 334 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 1: you could just hide him plain sight or admire the 335 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: Soviet Union plain sight. Well, he eventually would find himself 336 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 1: on a watch list because he went to Russia um 337 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 1: under um he obtained a passport falsely with an application 338 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: to a college in Switzerland and applied got to Moscow, 339 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:48,679 Speaker 1: applied for citizenship there and they were like yet, and 340 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:50,439 Speaker 1: so he he goes, oh, yeah, if you know, I mean, 341 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill myself. He basically did the same day 342 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 1: he was rejected by Russia. He slit his wrist and 343 00:19:56,560 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: the warmhearted Soviets were like, well, okay, you can stay 344 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: a young man. I thought that was interesting. Yeah, that's 345 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: what allowed him to stay. Ye, like, yeah, that's just weird. Yeah, 346 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: is so he said, I don't want to be Um. Well, 347 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 1: he he did not officially announce his citizenship in America, 348 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: although he expressed interest in doing so. Yeah, he kind 349 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 1: of mouthed off about it, but never actually did it. 350 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: That's right. Uh. In Russia he fell in love with 351 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: a lady named Marina Prusakova. And you're not going to 352 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 1: try our middle name nicola Venna nice Nikolavna. Yeah, I 353 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: think that's right. And um, basically he was like, you know, 354 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: we should probably go back to the United States because 355 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: it turns out Russia sucks. These breadlines I weren't expecting 356 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: them to be so long. Yeah, it said he'd become disenchanted. 357 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: I think that's a nice way of saying that Russia sucked. Right, 358 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 1: So he says, Hey, I know a place where you're 359 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: gonna love. It's called Texas. Let's move back there. Uh, 360 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 1: just forget the fact that you don't speak any English. 361 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: You don't know anybody in Texas. Everybody back in America 362 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:08,439 Speaker 1: thinks I'm a weirdo and I'm your husband. Uh, just 363 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 1: let's go and move to Texas. And she's like, she said, 364 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,880 Speaker 1: what did you say in Russian? He's like, nothing in Russian? 365 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 1: And so they moved to Texas and uh, she apparently 366 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 1: very quickly became just she felt isolated, she didn't have 367 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 1: any friends, and a woman named Ruth Payne UM felt 368 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 1: bad for her and took her under her wing and 369 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: they became kind of friends. And Ruth Payne will come 370 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: into play a little later on. Yeah, and this is 371 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: where he was finally sort of um on the radar 372 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 1: of the FBI. Yeah, when he moved back. Yeah, you 373 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 1: can't move to Russia and then come back. And they just, 374 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,199 Speaker 1: you know, don't even bother talking to you know, but 375 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,479 Speaker 1: they did talk to him and they said, okay, well listen, 376 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 1: if if the USSR gets in touch with you and 377 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 1: want you to do sp N, just let us know. Sure. Okay, 378 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:56,640 Speaker 1: They're like, all right, we'll have a great day. Thanks 379 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 1: for the coffee, ma'am. She's like, what did you say 380 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:04,639 Speaker 1: in Russian? It's pretty remarkable. So on April tenth nine, Um, 381 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 1: another interesting thing happened a few days after losing his job. 382 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: He tried to assassinate Major General Edwin Walker. This guy 383 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:15,640 Speaker 1: was a piece of work himself. Yeah, he was a 384 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 1: hardcore right wing conservative, possibly gay man. Oh I hadn't 385 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: heard that. Yeah. Later in life, in his seventies, he 386 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: was arrested twice for fondling men in public. I wonder 387 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: if he was the model for um, the dad in 388 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: American beauty. Oh, maybe I could see that then. Yeah. 389 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: I mean he never married, and they I don't think 390 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: they ever came right out and said he was gay. 391 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: But he was arrested twice for fondling police officers. If 392 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: that's the case, email and let us know. Okay, Yeah, 393 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 1: which is neither here nor there, but it's interesting. No, 394 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: but he he was, like you said, extreme, a right 395 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,439 Speaker 1: wing extremist in the very definition of the work. He 396 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: was very um, well respected, decorated military leader, like he 397 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 1: was commanding all of the troops in West Germany. At 398 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: one point when no he hated the Kennedys. He called 399 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: Harry Truman and Eleanor Roosevelt pink, which means that they 400 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 1: were communists sympathizers, which is a big deal. He was 401 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,880 Speaker 1: temporarily relieved of his post while he was investigated for that, 402 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 1: and he said, you know what, I'm not even gonna 403 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,959 Speaker 1: I'm not going back because the US has given up 404 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,400 Speaker 1: his sovereignty to the United Nations and I can't fight 405 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: for it any longer. And this guy was so convinced 406 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: by his own convictions that he refused a military pension 407 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: for years afterwards because he didn't want to have anything 408 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 1: to do with him. Well, apparently he refused it, but 409 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: then kind of quietly tried to get it right. Well, 410 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 1: and they gave it to him. Yeah, um, But then 411 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,199 Speaker 1: he was celebrated as a great soldier later on in 412 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: life and after his death. So another example though of 413 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 1: Oswald is sort of a confused guy, like he tries 414 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: to assassinate this right wing conservative general he also was 415 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 1: at a marine. He also killed Kennedy. He was just 416 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,400 Speaker 1: sort of like it didn't seem like he knew what 417 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 1: he believed. Well, he believed that Um was the general's name. 418 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: Walker was like Hitler in the making. Yeah, basically that 419 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,439 Speaker 1: he was an extremist who needed to be taken up, 420 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 1: but he missed. Yeah, from about a hundred feet away, 421 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:26,120 Speaker 1: he shot into his dining room from the street where 422 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:27,959 Speaker 1: he was sitting in a desk and hit the window 423 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: pane and uh that you know, made the bullet go 424 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 1: a different directions, so he missed. So Lee Harvey Ostal, 425 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 1: it's basically doing anything he can to insinuate himself in 426 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,159 Speaker 1: international global politics. Yeah, but he got away with it 427 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: like they never It was a cold case until they 428 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: finally caught him and put the you know, I think 429 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: his wife was the one who's who fingered him later on, Yeah, 430 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: because he comes home and says, hey, we're moving to 431 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: New Orleans and she's like, what did you just say? 432 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: And so they moved to New Orleans and UM while 433 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 1: they're there, she's like, I've had enough, you're shooting at 434 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: um public figures. Now we're moving from Texas to New Orleans. 435 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: I'm moving back, and she moved in with her friend 436 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: Ruth Payne. And that surely had an effect an impact 437 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: on Oswald. There's no way it couldn't because he already 438 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: had abandonment issues from his mother. Now his wife leaves 439 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 1: him because he's just crazy, and he's like, well, you 440 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 1: know what, fine, I'm gonna stay here and I'm going 441 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: to start a chapter of a pro Cuba pro castro 442 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: sympathizer club and I'm gonna be the one and only member, 443 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: but I'm gonna be a loudmouth member. I think you 444 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 1: wanted more than one member. But it was another example 445 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,159 Speaker 1: of like nobody was interested in this guy. Nobody. Russia 446 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 1: didn't want him, No one joined his club, his wife 447 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: left him, Cuba didn't want him. No. He went down 448 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: to Mexico and visited the Cuban and Russian embassies, trying 449 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 1: to basically get in them with them, and they're are like, 450 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: it's okay, thanks man. Yeah, like nobody was. I think 451 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: the words strictly used was no one was ever very 452 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:11,160 Speaker 1: impressed with Oswald. They were unimpressed Soviet and Cuban officials. 453 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 1: I mean, if this guy was a Patsy, he was 454 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 1: the perfect Patsy. Oh yeah, but you can also take 455 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: all of this evidence and say, well, this is what 456 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: made him do this. Yeah, if he was a Patsy, 457 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: you imagine how easy it would have been for like 458 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: one of the theories is the mafia, for them to 459 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: put their arm around and be like, you're you're a 460 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 1: pretty great guy, right, you know what you should do? 461 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: You should kill the president? Yeah? Yeah, he would have 462 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 1: been very easy to manipulate, I imagine because he's also 463 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 1: just twenty four. It when the kid, which is crazy, 464 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 1: um so he uh he left New Orleans, went back 465 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,679 Speaker 1: to Dallas, got a job, and about a month later 466 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: at the school book depository, Uh shot and killed John F. Kennedy. Yes, 467 00:26:55,680 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: so um Oswald's done is shooting He's called. They started 468 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 1: to investigate his background, and Lynnon Johnson ordered a um 469 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 1: an investigation of full investigation into the Kennedy assassination, what happened, 470 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 1: what lessons learned, all that stuff, And this commission, led 471 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: by Chief Justice Earl Warren UH was called the Warrant Commission, 472 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: and the report they compiled several hundred page reports called 473 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: the Warrant Report. And in addition to the several hundred 474 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 1: page report, they also released twenty six volumes of transcripts 475 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: of the hearings that they conducted. So it's this exhaustive 476 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: investigation that was very transparent. Supposedly, there's so many documents 477 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 1: that to try to censor them, really censor them, it 478 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 1: would be virtually impossible. So a lot of people point 479 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 1: to the very fact that the Warrant Report is so 480 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 1: voluminous that it is like in fact correct, and it's 481 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,160 Speaker 1: not part of a larger cover up at least. Yeah, 482 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,040 Speaker 1: and acsuently the article did you read the one in 483 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,880 Speaker 1: the New York Times that some people think they're still 484 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 1: documents the CIA won't release. Well, they won't. Well, but 485 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: the one anti conspiracy guy that they interviewed said, people 486 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: that I don't know how the CIA works that believe 487 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 1: this stuff. He went, there would be no documents period. 488 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 1: They wouldn't be hiding things, they wouldn't exist Operation killed 489 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 1: President Kennedy. Yeah, I mean he's sort of like a 490 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,160 Speaker 1: little pad on the head, like you think there are documents, 491 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 1: you sweet little conspiracy theorists. Um, alright, So the warrant 492 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 1: Commission comes out and immediately conspiracy theorists start to suggest 493 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 1: different things, like one theory was that it was an 494 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: outside job by the KGB and or Cuba. Right, we 495 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,959 Speaker 1: should say, the warrant Commission concluded that Lee Harvey Oswell 496 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: killed President Kennedy on his own volution, by himself, um, 497 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 1: without acting at the behester the benefit of anybody else. Yeah, 498 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: just a lone, singular, crazed gunman. So the conspiracy theories 499 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: are everybody else saying no, that's not the case, and 500 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 1: we gave the example of the Grassy Knoll, the acoustics 501 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: and daily plause of the fact that a cop was 502 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 1: running towards the Grassy Knoll, and conflicting eyewitness accounts, like 503 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: from the literal beginning of this event. In history, there 504 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: have been all sorts of hey, that people have been 505 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 1: able to make conspiracy theories out of, Like there's been 506 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: no shortage of all sorts of different weird things that 507 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 1: you can start to piece together with other things and 508 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 1: come up with these very interesting, some um sound conspiracy theories, 509 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 1: but that when you really get down to them, they're 510 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: not supported by evidence exactly. I'm glad you said that. Uh. 511 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 1: The KGB or Cuba theory that maybe their governments were 512 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 1: acting out and trying to kill Kennedy had some legs 513 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,959 Speaker 1: because the Bay of Pigs had just happened. They were 514 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 1: certainly no friends of Kennedy at the height of the 515 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: Cold War. There was definitely a motive there, but um, 516 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 1: there was no evidence to tie Oswald in any substantive 517 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 1: way to either of these countries. No, they looked at 518 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: his finances over they went back a year and a 519 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 1: half and looked at his finances to see if there 520 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: were any weird payments or whatever, and apparently the only 521 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: amount total that they could have they couldn't account for 522 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: came to like a hundred and sixty dollars could have 523 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 1: been cash and diamonds, though I guess it could have 524 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 1: been so how they liked the deal. One of the 525 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 1: other popular theories I mentioned was the mob and that 526 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 1: Jack Ruby was working with the mob, and the second 527 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 1: Oswald said I'm a patsy. They're like, we need to 528 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 1: go take care of this, like right now. Yeah, we 529 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: haven't mentioned Jack Ruby. Two days after Um, Kennedy was killed, Um, 530 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: they were transporting Lee Harvey Oswald and a guy named 531 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 1: Jack Ruby, who was a Dallas nightclub owner, came up 532 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 1: and shot Lee Harvey Oswald in the chest and killed him. 533 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 1: Lee Harvey Oswald actually died in Parkland Memorial, the same 534 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: hospital that Kennedy had two days before. Yeah, very famous 535 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 1: photo which has since been made into very funny photo. 536 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 1: Have you seen the band one? No, you never saw that. 537 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 1: It was big years ago. It was, you know, the 538 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 1: photo of Ruby killing Kennedy, and someone went in and 539 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 1: photoshopped and in musical instruments because they're all like have different, 540 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 1: you know, pained expressions. And Jack Ruby's at the keys 541 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 1: and I think Lee Harvey Oswald has a guitar and 542 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,239 Speaker 1: it looks like it's pretty funny. Check it out. How 543 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 1: about another moment here for a message break touch All right, 544 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: let's get back to it. So we were talking about 545 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: the mafia. Um, because Jack Ruby owned a nightclub, Everybody's 546 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: just like, well, he's went down with the mob. What's more, 547 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: Lee Harvey Oswald probably was acting on behalf of the 548 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: mob because he had an uncle in New Orleans who 549 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: was mafia connected. Mobbed up, as they say, Is that 550 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 1: what they say? Yeah? But um, apparently there's no evidence 551 00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: that Oswald and his uncle communicated at all, and the 552 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 1: these connections are fairly h tenuous at best. Jack Ruby 553 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 1: himself said that the reason he did it was because 554 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 1: he wanted to spare Jacqueline and Caroline the heartbreak of 555 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: having to come back to Dallas to testify against Lee 556 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: Harvey Oswald. That's what he officially said. And apparently there's 557 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 1: a transcript of and it is just hearsay, but it's 558 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 1: um Oswald talking with his lawyer saying that, Um, he's 559 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 1: saying like this whole charade we're doing that. He that 560 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 1: he shot Oswald while he was blacked out, and he 561 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: he can't be held responsible. That it's all just it's 562 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 1: just just stupid, and they should go with the truth that, 563 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 1: you know, he did this because he wanted to spare Jackie. Interesting, 564 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 1: that's supposedly it. But then apparently also it's supposedly he 565 00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:00,120 Speaker 1: said that that was a charade as well, So who knows. Well. 566 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 1: Another theory is that it was the CIA and it 567 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 1: was an inside job. Kennedy had criticized their practices and 568 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 1: um was, you know, trying to scale down Vietnam, and 569 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 1: those weren't very popular things to do at the time 570 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 1: if you were in the government. And so a lot 571 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 1: of people say, you know what, Lennon Johnson might have 572 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 1: orchestrated this whole thing, and it was an inside job 573 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 1: with the CIA. They're like, he barely ever wore pants, 574 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 1: for God's sake. Uh. I don't know if this remained 575 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:34,479 Speaker 1: true to her death, but both Bobby Kennedy and Jackie 576 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 1: Kennedy at one point I believe that quote he was 577 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: felled by domestic opponents. Um. And of course Bobby died 578 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 1: not too long after five years but um, I don't 579 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 1: know if Jackie held that opinion her entire life. I'm 580 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 1: not sure about that. I'm curious, but it seems to 581 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 1: ring a bell that like she was suspicious of LBJ. Yeah. Um, 582 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 1: I know. Since two thousand, there have been five legit 583 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 1: tenured historians that IT published studies, and four or the 584 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 1: five concluded that there was probably some larger conspiracy at work, 585 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 1: but none of them agreed on what it was, so 586 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 1: it's it's hard to get a consensus. So ultimately, what 587 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,279 Speaker 1: the what it came down to the official line was 588 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 1: that there were Um, there was a rifle that had 589 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 1: Oswald's fingerprints on it that was found at the crime scene, 590 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,799 Speaker 1: that there is a picture in existence that of Oswald 591 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 1: holding that exact same rifle before the crime was committed. Um, 592 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:34,800 Speaker 1: he had already tried to kill a general. Yeah. And 593 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 1: the fact that he said well it's all over now 594 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,320 Speaker 1: when he was apprehended. You take all this together, everybody 595 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 1: who a lot of people think it was Oswald. That's 596 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 1: the official line, right, Yeah, And the Suppruter film has 597 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 1: been used to that. You know, hey, how can you 598 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:52,600 Speaker 1: shoot someone from this direction? And they had to go 599 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 1: that direction? Um, there were other films of the incident, 600 00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 1: but the Supruter is the most complete. I did look 601 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 1: at some of the others. I've never seen any of 602 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 1: those before. It's weird to see it from different angles, yeah, 603 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 1: if you're used to seeing just the Brooder film. UM. So, 604 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:13,319 Speaker 1: the Warrant Commission did not put this issue to bed 605 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:19,760 Speaker 1: at all, even back then. Uh. The there was another 606 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 1: commission that took place in nineteen seventy six, the House 607 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:28,880 Speaker 1: Select Committee on Assassinations, and they investigated both JFK and 608 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 1: Martin Luther King's assassinations. And this is a group of 609 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:37,879 Speaker 1: UM House representatives who, you know, it's true, are known 610 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 1: for being the rabble rousers of the government, that brands 611 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:46,400 Speaker 1: of government. UM. But they basically investigated this, carried out 612 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,840 Speaker 1: a full investigation and found that, you know what, we 613 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,279 Speaker 1: actually think that JFK did die as a result of 614 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,840 Speaker 1: a conspiracy. We don't think it was the mob, we 615 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 1: don't think it was the c i A, we don't 616 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 1: think it was the FBI, and we don't think it 617 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,759 Speaker 1: was the Cubans. But we do believe that it was 618 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,279 Speaker 1: a conspiracy and that um Lee Harvey Oswald did not 619 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 1: act alone. This is the House of Representatives saying that, yeah, 620 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,960 Speaker 1: well they initially said that there were four shots, but 621 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 1: they were actually wrong. And then later we can did 622 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 1: that um with acoustic evidence and said, you know what, 623 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,239 Speaker 1: we were wrong on that and they did never find 624 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,320 Speaker 1: any like hard evidence. But was there did they remain 625 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 1: true to that statement? Yeah, that was never their final report. 626 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 1: Interesting yeah, um, yeah, that it was part of a conspiracy. 627 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,920 Speaker 1: So that definitely didn't quell any No. And as a 628 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:35,719 Speaker 1: matter of fact, it's like, oh, well, the House of 629 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,200 Speaker 1: Representatives just said Kennedy was killed as part of it 630 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 1: a conspiracy, like if if it was dying down before 631 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,920 Speaker 1: it flared right back up. And there was another one 632 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,719 Speaker 1: almost at the same time, a Rockefeller Commission by Vice 633 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 1: President Nelson Rockefeller. And a lot of people think that 634 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:55,080 Speaker 1: the Rockefeller Commission was basically just like a fact finding 635 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,719 Speaker 1: committee that was there to basically cover up and um 636 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,239 Speaker 1: derail any other investigations. Really yeah, kind of like we 637 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 1: got this, we got this. You know. It didn't work though, 638 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 1: because of the House Select Committee. Well, they invalidated one 639 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 1: of our favorite little parts of the theory, the three 640 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,640 Speaker 1: tramps theory. Um. At the time, there were these three 641 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:21,000 Speaker 1: vagrants that were detained by police that had been traveling 642 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:25,439 Speaker 1: by boxcars supposedly, and um, that's how they travel often, 643 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 1: that is how they travel. And two of the men 644 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,440 Speaker 1: for a while, we're believed to have been E. Howard 645 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:34,200 Speaker 1: Hunt and Frank Sturgis, who were the dudes who broke 646 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:38,839 Speaker 1: into Watergate, which would be a nice little coincidence. Yeah. 647 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 1: Well there's a whole side by side photographic comparison of 648 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,279 Speaker 1: the two. I mean, it looks a lot like them. 649 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 1: Well it does. Um, the FBI got experts to do 650 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:52,200 Speaker 1: the same thing though that said, no, that that's not them. Uh. 651 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,840 Speaker 1: And the third guy, And if you're a conspiracy theorists, 652 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:58,160 Speaker 1: you're like, oh, okay, well thanks, FBI appreciate that. I 653 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:02,120 Speaker 1: believe you. Um. The third guy was rumored to be 654 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,400 Speaker 1: what he Harrelson's dad, Charles Harrison. He was a hit 655 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 1: man and he they were estranged. By the way, what 656 00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,759 Speaker 1: he Harrelson is not like he doesn't talk about this much. 657 00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,759 Speaker 1: It's not one of his favorite topics. Sorry, we got 658 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,719 Speaker 1: to talk about it. But um, he he killed a 659 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,719 Speaker 1: federal judge and then when he was caught in a 660 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:26,120 Speaker 1: standoff in nineteen eighty high on cocaine. He said I 661 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 1: killed Kennedy too, and then later on recanted that and said, 662 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,839 Speaker 1: I just said that because I was high on cocaine. Yeah, 663 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:34,800 Speaker 1: and I was trying to elongate my life. And like 664 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,440 Speaker 1: they I don't think they would have killed me if 665 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,880 Speaker 1: they if I had information. That's what he said in 666 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,680 Speaker 1: a in an interview from prison. But conspiracy theorists latched 667 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,520 Speaker 1: onto this and said he's the third tramp. He was 668 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,680 Speaker 1: the youngest one of the three. And the pictures kind 669 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:52,160 Speaker 1: of look alike, you know it to Harrison's dad was 670 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,399 Speaker 1: one of a trio of men who killed JFK. Well, 671 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:56,759 Speaker 1: all of this could have been put to bed if 672 00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,719 Speaker 1: the dudes look nothing like the other guys, but they 673 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,400 Speaker 1: all kind of did. So another thing to add field 674 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,560 Speaker 1: to the fire for sure. And we should say also, 675 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,120 Speaker 1: there's um even more like you were saying, the CIA 676 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:12,320 Speaker 1: still still will not declassify documents that they have about 677 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:17,239 Speaker 1: the JFK assassination. That's not helping things. Something did come 678 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,880 Speaker 1: to light though, from UM investigations into the CIA. The 679 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:27,280 Speaker 1: guy named George Joannity's he Um was a CIA agent 680 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,240 Speaker 1: who was basically in charge of a group of anti 681 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:36,640 Speaker 1: Cuban Student Dissidents right or anti Castro Cuban student dissidents, 682 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,400 Speaker 1: and he was running their operation in Miami and New Orleans. 683 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,440 Speaker 1: They actually beat up Lee Harvey Oswald while he was 684 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:48,000 Speaker 1: in New Orleans handing out pamphlets that were pro Cuban 685 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:52,919 Speaker 1: and pro Castro um like a few months before the assassination. 686 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:58,160 Speaker 1: So George Joannity's ran that operation and then later on 687 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,800 Speaker 1: in when the House elect Committee was investigating it again, 688 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,680 Speaker 1: he was the liaison for the CIA, but no one 689 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:11,759 Speaker 1: told the How Select Committee the involvement he'd had before. Interesting, well, uh, 690 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:14,879 Speaker 1: with Wood, he's dad. He actually had a co conspiracor 691 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,759 Speaker 1: that said, you know what, He's confessed this before to 692 00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,279 Speaker 1: me and even drew maps about where he was hiding 693 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:26,160 Speaker 1: the day it happened. Um. But in arrest records were 694 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:31,960 Speaker 1: released and identified the three tramps as uh Gus Abrams, 695 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,320 Speaker 1: Harold Doyle, and John Gedney. It was all sound like 696 00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,960 Speaker 1: suspicious names and they I think they interviewed a couple 697 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:40,520 Speaker 1: of these guys later in life and they were like, yeah, 698 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:44,040 Speaker 1: we were the guys, and we were just buckscar dudes, 699 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,800 Speaker 1: even though we had suits on and we're clean shaven 700 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:51,440 Speaker 1: and oh well, everybody back then was like, even if 701 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:56,399 Speaker 1: you were like just the total complete hobo, you still 702 00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:02,399 Speaker 1: wore a suit in Fedora usually. Uh. So again people 703 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,840 Speaker 1: point to that and say, these clearly weren't you know, 704 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,480 Speaker 1: these guys were paid or you know. And then a 705 00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:11,640 Speaker 1: lot of other pinky things happen. 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Uh 751 00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:37,360 Speaker 1: and Sam Larusa, thank you for being lazy and napping 752 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,080 Speaker 1: on the job and then using our work to uh 753 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,759 Speaker 1: do your job. But not really though, because he could 754 00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,920 Speaker 1: have just been like, oh, well, I guess they're just 755 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,000 Speaker 1: gonna sit there quietly for two hours. He like, really hustled, 756 00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:52,480 Speaker 1: that's true, he took initiative. Uh. 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