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Speaker 1: Countdown to Kickoff continues. The San Francisco forty nine Ers

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Speaker 1: and the Jacksonville Jaguars coming up the NFL on Fox

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Speaker 1: in Town with analyst Daryl Johnston the Moves. It's great

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Speaker 1: to talk with you, and hey, the Jaguars are in

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Speaker 1: the mix. I haven't been able to say that over

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Speaker 1: the last ten to fifteen years.

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Speaker 2: No, no, kind of right in that wave from the

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Speaker 2: way they finished the end of last season. But what's

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Speaker 2: been impressive to me is, you know, the five game

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Speaker 2: road trip where they had five weeks consecutively in five

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Speaker 2: different stadiums, and that's something that as a staff, and

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Speaker 2: Doug Peterson is the head coach, you're going to see

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Speaker 2: that coming and you try to prepare your players for that.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna have some adversity at the beginning of the season.

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Speaker 2: We've got a tough stretch after that, just based on competition.

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Speaker 2: So the most important thing is is finding a way

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Speaker 2: on the road. And they did a great job. And

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Speaker 2: this is a team, you know, they got off to

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Speaker 2: a slow start last year, finished strong, They've started strong

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Speaker 2: this year. They're finding ways to win. They know they're

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Speaker 2: not playing their best football right now. So I think

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Speaker 2: the six and two start is very, very impressive for Jacksonville.

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Speaker 1: Derol. You were on the you know, you were drafted

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Speaker 1: by the Cowboys in nineteen eighty nine. It was Jimmy

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Speaker 1: Johnson's first year, a one win season. But then just

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Speaker 1: and beat the Bills in the nineteen ninety two season.

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Speaker 1: At what point, I'm not comparing the Jaguars now to

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Speaker 1: the early nineties Cowboys yet, However, at what point did

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Speaker 1: you guys realize that you had a shot, that maybe

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Speaker 1: you had turned the corner as an organization and taken

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Speaker 2: I think one of the big things for me was,

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Speaker 2: you know, playing at Syracuse University, you know, it a

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Speaker 2: very competitive collegiate level of football, and seeing the talent

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Speaker 2: that was around me there, seeing the guys that had

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Speaker 2: guys like Troy Yigman, Michael Irvin, Charles Haley, emmittt Smith,

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Speaker 2: Darren Woodson. I mean, it was just it was a

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Speaker 2: that roster. Now for the first the first couple of seasons,

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Speaker 2: there was different reasons year one year in a total rebuild,

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Speaker 2: and it takes a long time. It takes a lot

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Speaker 2: longer than I think fans and people interested in that

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Speaker 2: that talent in place, and we had a similar season

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Speaker 2: But there was a lot of positive things coming from

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Speaker 2: what we accomplished down the stretch. The biggest thing for

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Speaker 2: only do we have the talent, but now we have

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Speaker 1: You know, Dave.

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Speaker 2: Wanstad had been there from day one, and those guys

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Speaker 2: you it's there's a lot of similarities of that that

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Speaker 1: Daryl Johnston with us from NFL on Fox, and at

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Speaker 1: the head of all that is Doug Peterson, a guy

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And really who his mentor is to right, Andy

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Speaker 2: So I think it's great to have that experience, uh,

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Speaker 2: And just talking to Trevor Lawrence yesterday and and having

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Speaker 1: You like Trevor, did you like the conversation with him,

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Speaker 1: then you know, would you be confident with him in

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Speaker 2: Always have, always have liked him. He's kind of that

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Speaker 2: very important to Trevor Lawrence. You watch him on tape,

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Speaker 2: he's a lot more athletic than you expect. From six

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Speaker 2: And I think he's also patient. He doesn't try to

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Speaker 1: A lot to ask Daryl Johnston with us from the

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Speaker 1: NFL on Fox, former Cowboys fullback, of course. All right,

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Speaker 1: the San Francisco forty nine ers, they dropped three in

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Speaker 1: the most, Cam Robinson, Anton, Harrison strap In, let's go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, and they're gonna have to be one on

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Speaker 2: one at times. You can protect your tackles in situations,

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Speaker 2: but eventually and at times during the course of the game,

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Speaker 2: they've got to stand up and they've got a block

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Speaker 2: Nick Bosa one on one. They've got a block Chase

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Speaker 2: Young one on one. They've got a block Randy Gregory

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Speaker 2: one on one. These guys are fast upfield players. They

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Speaker 2: they defend the run on the way to the quarterback.

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Speaker 2: I'm expecting, you know, Press Taylor and Doug Peterson to

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Speaker 2: do something to take advantage of that upfield style of play.

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Speaker 2: It's I think it's something that they're all familiar with.

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Speaker 2: They had Jim Schwartz with them in Philadelphia for a while.

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Speaker 2: You know, you understand that defense that Jim Schwartz has

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Speaker 2: is not exactly like it. You know what Robert Salad

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Speaker 2: that wide nine upfield penetrators. Can you get off tackle?

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Speaker 2: You know, it's kind of like what the Bears eighty

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Speaker 2: five defense was. As everybody started to try and figure

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Speaker 2: out how do we move the football against this group guys,

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Speaker 2: what you found was quick passes and weak side runs,

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Speaker 2: and that's what everybody started to do. But eventually that

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Speaker 2: defense adjust to that. I said, Okay, they're coming after

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Speaker 2: us with quick passes in week side runs, so you

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Speaker 2: put a little patch on that. I think the patch

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Speaker 2: that people are looking at in this defense is that

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Speaker 2: that defensive end getting upfield, getting him kicked out, and

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Speaker 2: then getting stuff wrapped up around inside. So can you

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Speaker 2: hit some of those big off tackle gap scheme runs.

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Speaker 2: You have to have some type of run game, and

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Speaker 2: I think that that has been over the last three weeks.

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Speaker 2: The area that I think if you talk to Steve

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Speaker 2: Wilkes would say, this is where we have to get better.

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Speaker 2: We have to stop we have to start defending the run.

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Speaker 2: We have to stop missing tackles and allowing more rush

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Speaker 2: yards after contact. That's what's really gotten this into a

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Speaker 2: difficult situation because now our strength is getting after the

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Speaker 2: quarterback and if they're not in third and seven plus,

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Speaker 2: you know, it's hard to defend that. So if we're

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Speaker 2: playing against third and three to five all day long,

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Speaker 2: that's not who we are. So they've got they've got

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Speaker 2: to shore up taken away that run. So Jacksonville, Uh,

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Speaker 2: you know VTN can get you know, kind of on

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Speaker 2: those edges, you know, just off tackle and then to

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Speaker 2: your point, you know, can can Anton and cam Can

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Speaker 2: they be key components of that. They would probably be

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Speaker 2: blocking down and pulling. But you've got to displace, right

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Speaker 2: we talk about the edges for San Francisco, they've got

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Speaker 2: some good guys inside that can hold that point. So

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Speaker 2: when you're doing that gap scheme and you're trying to

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Speaker 2: edge gets set a little bit wider, you know, you

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Speaker 2: can squeeze it a little bit. So I think that's

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Speaker 2: going to be fun to just kind of look at

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Speaker 2: that part of the matchup in this game and see,

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Speaker 2: you know how how big those running lanes are inside

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Speaker 1: All Right, So I've asked Doug Peterson this. I know

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Speaker 1: his answer to it. But what would a win for

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Speaker 1: the Jaguars do for the perception of this organization this season?

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Speaker 1: Or is it just another win on the schedule and

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Speaker 1: you got eight more after this?

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Speaker 2: I can guarantee you would, Doug. Doug Peterson would get

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Speaker 2: us to seven and two.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly.

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Speaker 2: Let's not make too much about this. It's right inside

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Speaker 2: though it's a big win. It's a big win. It's

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Speaker 2: it's the San Francisco forty nine er franchise. It is

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Speaker 2: a super Bowl caliber roster. There's a lot of positives.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I watched this team dismantle my old team,

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Speaker 2: Dallas forty two to ten. When this team is functioning

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Speaker 2: and firing on all cylinders, I don't know if there's

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Speaker 2: a team that can stay with him right now. Philadelphia

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Speaker 2: is not the same team they were last year. Kansas

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Speaker 2: City is not the same team that were last year.

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Speaker 2: When when San Francisco has been good at times this year,

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Speaker 2: I don't think there's a better team in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: So that's a huge statement for Jacksonville. That's a ton

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Speaker 2: of confidence for these guys. It validates everything that Doug

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Speaker 2: Peterson has been talking about for the last two years.

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Speaker 2: For us in Dallas, it was we lost to Washington

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Speaker 2: on Monday Night football, real close game. I think it

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Speaker 2: was a thirty one to thirty game. They were defending

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl champions. That kind of even in a loss,

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Speaker 2: that gave us confidence. And then when we went and

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Speaker 2: beat them at RFK later that year, they were eleven

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Speaker 2: and oh and we were six and five, and you

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Speaker 2: can say all you want about a win is a

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Speaker 2: win and don't make too much out about it. When

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Speaker 2: we went into RFK and knocked off the the defending

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl champions who were eleven and oh, we had

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Speaker 2: a ton of confidence and we rode that wave all

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Speaker 2: the way into the playoffs. So this is one of

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Speaker 2: those games that just all the hard work, all the effort,

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Speaker 2: everything that we've been telling you during this process gets

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Speaker 2: validated with a win over a team like San Francisco,

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Speaker 2: especially if you play that clean game that's been elusive

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Speaker 2: for them this year. If you come out and play

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Speaker 2: clean against San Francisco, this is a team that's going

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Speaker 2: to have a little bit of swagger going into that

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Speaker 2: second half of the season.

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Speaker 1: Daryl Johnson, you're the best. Appreciate the time. We'll see

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Speaker 1: you at the yard.

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Speaker 2: Awesome, looking forward to a great game.