WEBVTT - Player’s Lounge: A Team In Disarray? 0:00:04.160 --> 0:00:06.720 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:06.760 --> 0:00:16.600 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is the player's 0:00:16.680 --> 0:00:27.880 level broadcasting line from Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the Star. Hi, 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:31.240 everybody knew he scrugged. Here, longtime Cowboys reporter joined by 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:35.280 former Dallas Cowboys Jesse Holly and Everson Walls. We got 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:37.680 forty five minutes to break down and get into a 0:00:37.680 --> 0:00:41.040 whole bunch of Dallas Cowboys topics with you. Everson. How 0:00:41.080 --> 0:00:44.360 are we doing today? My man? I'm doing well. Man. 0:00:44.479 --> 0:00:47.879 We can go one hour. I'm good. You know. I 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:50.280 don't get it. I don't get any overtime, but still 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:53.280 I can go one hour today. This our last show 0:00:53.320 --> 0:00:56.280 of the week, right, Yes it is, Yes it is. 0:00:56.960 --> 0:00:59.480 And I just want to be like Jesse Holly. Jesse 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:02.400 Holly is a morning guy you're seeing post on Twitter 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:06.240 all the time. I see him on Twitter every morning 0:01:06.880 --> 0:01:11.280 waving his T shirts. Listen as the youngest. As the 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:15.000 youngest person on this podcast, I should not be the 0:01:15.040 --> 0:01:18.320 one who are who is the happiest about seeing the 0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:22.240 next day. I'm the youngest one here. I'm just saying 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:25.400 a lot. You ever seen you and knew you guys. 0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:28.640 You know what I'm saying. We should be a card. 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:33.200 We should be we should be all excited about seeing 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:36.000 the next day. I should not be the excited person 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:39.240 about seeing. If I was doing some of that stuff 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:42.200 that you did, I'd be tired right now. I'd be 0:01:42.240 --> 0:01:45.560 taking it now if I was that excited every morning, Mercy, 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:51.480 I am a morning person. Jesse. Is interesting you say that. 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:54.520 And here we are on Veteran's Day, and and we 0:01:54.640 --> 0:01:56.960 salute all of our veterans out there, specially my father 0:01:57.840 --> 0:02:01.080 who served in the army. I was. I was born 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:05.880 in Germany. And here's where my my distain, you could say, 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:08.000 for getting up in the morning was. Look, when we 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:10.720 lived on base, you could hear the soldiers running in 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:13.480 the morning, and and my dad obviously had to get 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:15.919 up and do the pt and and there was one 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:18.119 commercial that they used to air when I was a kid, 0:02:18.240 --> 0:02:20.800 when they were promoting the army, and they said, we 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:24.520 do more things before before nine am than most people 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:28.280 do all days, right, And I used to say to myself, yeah, 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:30.680 my goal was not to get up before nine ams. 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:34.400 That was my goal. Once I got out of my 0:02:34.520 --> 0:02:38.119 dad's house, man, it's like, uh, I didn't take any 0:02:38.160 --> 0:02:40.520 classes in college before nine ams. I was to men, 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:42.959 I was gonna do anything. I was trying to. Nine 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:44.639 thirty was by the Earl Sun tried to get a 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:49.640 class nine thirty ten o'clock. So we have no we 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:53.600 had no choice, right two of days, three of days, 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:57.000 you know, morning till night. So as much as I 0:02:57.320 --> 0:03:01.359 could make that bow to myself, I couldn't uphold it. 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:06.160 If you recalled Eddie Robinson's going through the at Gramming State, 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:09.800 Eddie Robinson's going through the hallway clinging a cow bell 0:03:10.320 --> 0:03:12.720 for you to get up for breakfast. So now I 0:03:12.840 --> 0:03:16.760 was not my life wasn't my own, Okay, So I 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:18.760 would love to say that, But I do want to 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:23.200 say I have a brother in law who served. Also 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:27.640 his son, my nephew was in the Air Force for years. 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:32.160 So yeah, definitely happy happy Veteran's Day to these guys 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:35.920 and anyone else with families that served in the military 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:38.000 and are still serving. I want to thank you so 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:44.280 much for your absolutely now absolutely thank you so much. Yes, indeed, 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:46.839 we definitely have a massive amount of respect for those 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:50.440 who made the ultimate sacrifice and those who continue to 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:52.240 sign up for the military and go out there and 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:56.240 represent the United States of American, protect our freedoms and 0:03:56.320 --> 0:03:58.839 allow us to be able to do this sholt right 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:00.720 here that we do. So it's as a guy who's 0:04:01.640 --> 0:04:05.080 born on a military base. My parents still live in Fayeville, 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:07.280 North Carolina, which is where Fort Bragge is. Fort Bragge 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:09.800 is in our backyard. So I am one of those 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:15.160 that has a special affinity for our soldiers. All right. 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:17.760 So to Jesse, this was something that I hit you 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:22.360 and Everson up on earlier today. And Jack Taylor wrote 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:25.520 a column in the Dallas Morning News. Jacque longtime columnist 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:29.800 for let's say, a long time beat writer, and Jack 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:32.600 also works with me on NBC five, and he wrote 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:35.599 a column today and he said that the Cowboys are 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:38.960 in disarray and it's up to Steven Jones and Jerry 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:42.039 Jones to recognize what's going on. And I bring up 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:43.400 a couple of points. It was made here. He says, 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:45.680 one year ago today, Dallas lost in Minnesota twenty and 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:48.360 twenty four. Since then, Dallas is five and eleven after 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:51.359 started twenty nineteen three. You know the Cowboys have lost 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:55.960 fifteen of twenty two games. So start with you, Jesse, 0:04:56.040 --> 0:04:57.560 and then going over to you, Everson Walls or the 0:04:57.600 --> 0:05:02.560 Cowboys in disarray in your opinion, Yes, and they've been 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:07.640 that way for about twenty five years, do we And no? 0:05:07.680 --> 0:05:12.600 They no, seriously that they have been this, this Cowboys 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:18.160 team and nobody, and we spoke briefluently yesterday. Nobody sells 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:22.040 hope better than the Jones family. They can sell you hope. 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:24.880 They can sell water to a well, they can listen, 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:30.279 they can sell underwears to strippers. They can get it done. 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:36.120 And so they they should do like masterclasses and selling 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:39.400 hope to people because year in a year out they 0:05:39.440 --> 0:05:42.520 find small little things to get these fans and people 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:45.680 excited about the Cowboys season. And yet none of it 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:50.160 has produced anything long standing or that you know, no 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:52.880 deep playoff runs and no NFC East Championship games, no 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:56.040 Super Bowl appearances. And yet still that is still most 0:05:56.200 --> 0:06:00.640 recognizable franchise and their most expensive franchise in all of sports. 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:04.240 But when you look at where we are today, and 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:07.800 we say it every single year, while on paper, this 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:11.360 roster looks to be tremendous. On paper, this roster can 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:14.360 go a long way. On paper, we can really do 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:17.960 something in the NFC East and in the NFL as 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:20.760 a whole. But year in and year out it goes 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:24.120 from but on paper too, we come up short again. 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:28.840 And this I think people are starting and maybe it's 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:30.880 just a culture thing because I think the whole entire 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:33.640 world is just kind of so much stuff that's been happening, 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:37.239 and just over time, people are kind of getting tired 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:41.040 of hearing that same old sell us hope, sell us 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:44.479 a dream, tell us it's going to be okay, the roses, 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:47.400 the flowers in the meadows and all that kind of stuff. No, no, 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:49.719 we want to see production now, not now. We want 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:52.560 to see things really come into play and it be 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:55.520 something that we can truly chair about, deep into the 0:06:55.520 --> 0:07:02.560 playoffs and possibly a Super Bowl. Ever. Yeah, he's right, 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:06.839 that's what we talked about yesterday. Jesse's correct. And here's 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:10.320 the dilemma that you have. You're looking at there's some 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:14.560 two different lenses. I mean, we as as as the public, 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:21.320 as fans and former players. Jesse, we know what it's 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:26.120 all about. We understand that things can look great on paper, 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:29.160 and if you don't have the coaching staff for the 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:32.120 game plan to put it together, I don't care what 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:34.680 kind of players you have, you're gonna fail. We canna 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:37.480 look at the La Clippers and take a look at 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:42.920 that ball club, and it's in pretty much dictating what 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:50.160 a talented team can look like with no direction. Either 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:52.800 you have to have it from leadership on the field, 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:56.120 or you have to have it from the locker room itself, 0:07:56.200 --> 0:08:00.640 meaning the coaches or upper management, from from you know, 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:05.000 the owners and the staff that creates a culture. And 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:08.520 the dilemma that you have is you're looking at an 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:13.800 owner who is the most successful sports franchise owner in history. 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:18.880 So when he explains what's going on to the public, 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:24.520 he can't help but be rosy. Right. It's always rosy 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:28.040 for him, regardless of how many games they lose, regardless 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:30.520 of the pandemic. Yes, I know he lost a lot 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:33.760 of money with the Star and all of the ancillary 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:37.079 income that goes with having the Star, all the real 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:40.640 estate deals. That's a whole nother story. I took business 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:43.520 in school, so I know exactly how much money he's 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:46.160 losing in that regard. But when it comes to the 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:49.480 pride of the Dallas Cowboys, he has nothing to hang 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:52.480 his head about, and he never will. He can be 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:54.920 upset that the players all at once. But when it's 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:57.839 all said and done, it's hard. If I'm Jerry Jones, 0:08:57.880 --> 0:08:59.840 I'm gonna be upset about the players, and I'm gonna 0:08:59.840 --> 0:09:04.040 say I still have, as Jesse said, the most expensive, 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:11.959 most popular, highest rated sports franchise in the world. So 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:15.680 when you start looking at who's gonna be disappointed and 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:19.800 what where is my priority as an owner? Yes, he 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:23.040 wants to win, you you don't even don't even try 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:26.280 to doubt the fact that he wants to win. But 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:31.880 how can you go about running a team that you 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:34.640 think is going to be successful just the way you 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:40.160 ran the business that is uber successful. There's a difference 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:42.480 between running a football team and running a business. When 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:45.559 you run a football team, you got so many egos involved, 0:09:45.960 --> 0:09:48.440 You've got just so many personalities that you have to 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:52.800 deal with up and down the line. It's different from business. 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:56.840 You've got players. Go ahead, Jesse, I'd like to do 0:09:56.920 --> 0:09:59.680 step here on that. I just I just I want 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:03.120 to challenge one point of yours. And the point I 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:10.560 want to challenge of yours is do we really know 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:15.400 if Jerry wants to win? And I say that only 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:19.200 because this year, or just do after twenty five years 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:21.720 that you were talking about, I'm going to talk about 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:26.200 we can use the last twenty five years, okay. And 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:29.000 the only reason I challenge you on that is because 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:37.840 when you see a pattern as a business person that 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:43.160 is it conducive to you having success, what do you do? 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:46.640 You change it and you put it in a situation 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:51.040 where you're now being successful. What are the most common 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:56.120 things that has been in the last twenty five years 0:10:56.120 --> 0:11:03.040 of this team not having success? Players are involved, coaches, yes, 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:07.480 are involved, but him sitting in that general manager seat. 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:11.200 Some will say that is a large part of the 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:16.000 reason why this team isn't being constructed and put together 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:19.000 the proper way to go out there and to win 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:22.520 games on football. And so if you were caring about 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:27.200 winning and that was the ultimate care of yours, is 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:30.199 it not enough for you to remove yourself from a 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:34.560 situation at least try it? At least try it to 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:38.960 remove yourself from a situation, allow someone else to come 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:41.679 in and to sit in that role and have that 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:45.400 role and see if that then can produce success for 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:48.560 your business. That is the one thing that I would 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:53.560 challenge you on that that he has tried that, and 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:57.320 I think this year is kind of indicative or maybe 0:11:57.320 --> 0:11:59.719 even in the past few years where he's kind of 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:05.360 Steven step up. I think that's his idea of you know, 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:08.760 handing the baton off so to speak to someone else. 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:12.479 Of course, he still wants to be the figurehead uh 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:15.400 when he when he became GM, He'll tell you at 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:18.959 every single turn, yes, Will McClay has to say so, Yes, 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:22.600 Stephen Jones has to say so oh. But oh but 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:26.440 at the end of the day, it all runs through me. 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:29.880 I'm the last signature on everything that goes in and 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:34.640 out this door. I'm the last Jesse that's that. That 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:40.200 is probably uh maybe uh misguided leadership on his part, 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:45.120 But when it comes to intent, his intent is to win, 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:49.880 his his his his idea of himself. I'm sure as 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:53.800 GM is I am Jerry Jones. I built my business, 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:57.400 I built this team. Uh. Even when I let Jimmy 0:12:57.520 --> 0:13:01.200 Johnson go, I still want a Super Bowl. I have 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:03.959 been able to run this team. Even while we're losing, 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:08.680 we're still uh winning so to speak. Even while we're 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:13.080 losing as a team, we're winning as a franchise. His 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:19.120 being a GM has nothing to do with UM wanting 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:23.600 to win as much as competence. You understand, he wants 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:26.040 to win, he just doesn't know how to do it 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:30.720 necessarily as GM. It's something that over these years or 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:33.839 decades or how long he's been GM, he hadn't been 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:38.080 able to figure it out. That's his uh that's what's 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:41.959 sticking in his call right now. So he has no 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:44.520 choice but to kind of, you know, let the reins 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:47.360 go and give it to Stephen. But once again, once 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:50.959 that ego steps in, Jesse, and and and uh knew it. 0:13:51.080 --> 0:13:55.920 Once that ego steps in, he's got to realize that 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:58.320 that's gonna be that. That is the main problem with 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:01.240 the Dallas Cowboys. His go running the team or a 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:05.400 competent GM running the team. He wants to win, he 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:09.120 just doesn't know how to do it consistently as a GM. 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:14.760 I agree, all right, let's let's take a break here. 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:19.360 When we come back, Jesse, based on what you said, 0:14:20.000 --> 0:14:24.000 I'm going to tell you what Jerry Jones has told 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:25.960 me in the past, because I've asked some of these 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:28.440 similar questions to him back when I used to do 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:30.840 the Jerry Jones Show. So I'll give you that. On 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:32.840 the flip side, this is the players not brought to 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:36.800 you by Hotels dot com on Dallas Cowboys dot Com radio. Hey, 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:40.840 they're Cowboys fans with Tight Cleaners at Home pickup and delivery. 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:44.520 Cleaning your clothes has never been more convenient. 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Former Dallas Cowboys players Jesse Holly and 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:11.520 Everson Walls join me. That Jesse, you spoke about that 0:17:11.640 --> 0:17:15.560 Jerry doesn't want to win, and I will tell you unequivocally, 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:19.040 Jerry Jones wants to win. Okay. I got to start 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:21.840 covering this team back when they had won their first 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:23.840 Super Bowl. So as after their first Super Bowl win, 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:26.760 I got to start covering this team. Jerry wants to win. 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:30.160 Jerry Jones and I talked about it yesterday. Is very 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:35.480 much like George Steinbrenner. George Steinbrenner never changed the way 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:38.879 he went about running the New York Yankees when they 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:42.360 won the World Series is seventy seven and seventy eight, 0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:46.040 and then after that they didn't win anything until the nineties, 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:49.680 and when the Yankees got good again. It was actually 0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:53.359 when Gene Michael took over the franchise because George Steinbrenner 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:56.359 had got suspended by Major League Baseball. But George was 0:17:56.400 --> 0:17:59.119 always the guy who was out there writing the largest 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:02.359 checks and going about things in free agency. Once Jimmy 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:05.840 Johnson left, so many people like Randy Galloway, who who 0:18:05.840 --> 0:18:08.639 ever seen you know very well a longtime columnist M. 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:12.880 Brote used to have a radio show together. Yes, Randy 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:16.919 was one of the main people saying Jerry, Jimmy built this, 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:20.639 This was all Jimmy and that bug Jerry and bugs 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:24.840 into this day that that it was all. And He's like, no, 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:27.239 I was there with Jimmy. I hired Jimmy. Um, he 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:29.960 wants his credit. Okay, there's no time. He wants his 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:37.480 credit and hollidays. And when I was a long time, 0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:40.760 when I was doing the radio show, he would tell 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:44.359 you can't question my bil might want to win. He's like, 0:18:44.400 --> 0:18:46.560 look at them, look at the kind of contracts I've 0:18:46.640 --> 0:18:48.359 signed here, look at what I've done, look at what 0:18:48.400 --> 0:18:51.159 I put into my franchise. I mean, Jerry Jones is 0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:53.320 in the Hall of Fame because he went out there 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:56.320 taught other NFL owners how to make money. But Jerry's 0:18:56.359 --> 0:18:59.439 always been the guy who's been willing to pay. Agents 0:18:59.480 --> 0:19:01.639 will tell you how much they loved Jerry Jones because 0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:04.320 he's always willing to pay. So he wants to win. 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:10.080 The issue Jesse with Jerry is truly this his ego 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:12.639 of wanting to win and wanting to make sure he 0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:14.680 gets all the credit. His mentor when he got in 0:19:14.680 --> 0:19:18.080 the National Football League is Al Davis. Until Al Davis died. 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:22.120 Al Davis ran the Raiders his own way. Other people tried, 0:19:22.119 --> 0:19:24.160 Ali should do this, you do that? Know Al did 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:27.200 it his way and Jerry's gonna do it his way now. 0:19:27.240 --> 0:19:30.199 Along the way, he has made some concessions. Johnny Manzel 0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:32.480 is one of the biggest concessions things that I've ever 0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:34.920 seen come out of Jerry Jones, because I was sure 0:19:35.040 --> 0:19:36.680 they were gonna draft that kid out of Texas A. 0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:40.919 Jerry absolutely loved Johnny Manzel. And I remember when they 0:19:40.960 --> 0:19:43.040 had the Cotton Bowl game between Texas A and m 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:45.920 and Oklahoma at Jerry World Man they were selling they 0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:48.480 were selling upper level seats for five hundred bucks. That's 0:19:48.480 --> 0:19:51.560 how much people wanted to go see Johnny football. And 0:19:51.600 --> 0:19:53.399 there it is right there for him, the ability to 0:19:53.440 --> 0:19:56.760 take Johnny football. And it's Steven Jones and Will McClay 0:19:56.960 --> 0:20:00.080 who were right there saying, no, that's not the guy 0:20:00.320 --> 0:20:02.760 we need to take. Zach Martin and so they take 0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:04.800 Zach Martin and even as we get to training care 0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:08.080 at Oxnard, California, Jerry's still moaning and grown and about 0:20:08.080 --> 0:20:10.800 how they didn't take the risk it should have taken. 0:20:10.880 --> 0:20:14.080 Johnny Johnny football, I mean, but that's him. So he's 0:20:14.160 --> 0:20:17.200 changed a little bit. But Jesse, he does want to win. 0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:20.600 Will his ego allow him to step back? He'll tell 0:20:20.680 --> 0:20:23.119 you no, he says. If I hire general manager, they 0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:24.920 still got to come through me. He says, I own. 0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:27.800 He told me going town he owned was like seventy businesses. 0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:30.159 He says, I make decisions on every single wat them. 0:20:30.480 --> 0:20:33.280 So this is just how he operates, Jesse. But he 0:20:33.359 --> 0:20:37.040 does want to win, but he wants to win his way. Yeah, 0:20:37.040 --> 0:20:39.960 he wants to win his way at his costs. And 0:20:40.440 --> 0:20:43.320 I think sometimes that can be a detriment to the team. 0:20:43.720 --> 0:20:47.480 I think questioning do he does he want to win? 0:20:47.600 --> 0:20:50.359 And again, when you have one hundred foot yacht and 0:20:50.400 --> 0:20:54.080 you have planes and helicopter and twenty four carrot gold 0:20:54.119 --> 0:20:58.159 silverware and you're already Hall of Fame Jesse, so you 0:20:58.160 --> 0:21:01.200 know you're in the home. I mean, you're winning, You're 0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:04.200 already winning. So I get it, you know, I get, 0:21:04.520 --> 0:21:07.480 you know, from a from a standpoint where I'm looking from, 0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:09.119 I just I just think about let's say, you know, 0:21:09.600 --> 0:21:13.920 if there's anything, because I think this is his baby, right, 0:21:14.000 --> 0:21:17.720 the Cowboys is his baby. He has a two billion 0:21:17.760 --> 0:21:21.119 dollar energy company, he has billion dollar real estate, and 0:21:21.160 --> 0:21:24.120 he has oil and gag. I mean, he has tightened 0:21:24.160 --> 0:21:27.919 type stuff that he owns and the cash flow is 0:21:27.960 --> 0:21:31.520 always coming. But this, this is his baby. This is 0:21:31.560 --> 0:21:35.400 his pride and joy. Of all of his jewels, this 0:21:35.520 --> 0:21:37.840 is the one that sits at the top. This is 0:21:37.840 --> 0:21:40.479 the one that takes his hardness. It's like, it's like 0:21:40.480 --> 0:21:42.600 your baby girl. You can have all these kids, but 0:21:42.680 --> 0:21:45.680 you got that baby girl that's the apple of your 0:21:45.880 --> 0:21:49.160 eye and you want everything in the world to work 0:21:49.200 --> 0:21:52.800 and go in her favor. But sometimes, as you know, 0:21:52.880 --> 0:21:55.400 you you can cripple her as a as a dad 0:21:55.440 --> 0:21:57.959 because you spoiler and you and you coddle her and 0:21:58.000 --> 0:22:00.760 you you kind of wrap this this thing around her 0:22:00.800 --> 0:22:04.080 and exposure to the world, and then when you're gone 0:22:04.600 --> 0:22:07.280 and she's like, oh my god. But that's the thing 0:22:07.280 --> 0:22:09.320 with Jerry. This is his baby and he was so 0:22:09.440 --> 0:22:13.439 close to it. I think it's something I wish that 0:22:13.480 --> 0:22:16.639 he would see it to the point where, you know what, 0:22:17.240 --> 0:22:20.960 let me just be an owner, because he still want 0:22:20.960 --> 0:22:23.760 to get the credit like you're still not gonna be 0:22:23.920 --> 0:22:26.480 He's not gonna be about Kraft. He will never be 0:22:26.560 --> 0:22:29.240 Bob Kraft. Bob Kraft wanted to be like Jerry Jones 0:22:29.280 --> 0:22:31.320 when he first got involved in New England Patriots, who 0:22:31.359 --> 0:22:34.120 was dealing with parcels. He got smacked around and figured out, 0:22:34.160 --> 0:22:35.720 I don't want to deal I don't want to deal 0:22:35.720 --> 0:22:37.160 with the media. I don't want to be that guy. 0:22:37.280 --> 0:22:39.640 And he let Belichick run it. But that's not ever 0:22:39.720 --> 0:22:43.960 gonna be Jerry Jones. Okay. And see that's the difference, Nui. 0:22:44.600 --> 0:22:48.159 You start talking about he's no Bob Kraft, then you're 0:22:48.200 --> 0:22:52.840 talking about he's buddies with Steinbrenner. That's his mentor, Steinbrenner. 0:22:53.600 --> 0:22:56.120 As much as he and Billy Martin did not get along, 0:22:57.040 --> 0:23:00.159 they cursed each other out almost every day in up 0:23:00.200 --> 0:23:03.280 like in private, didn't really matter. But when it was 0:23:03.320 --> 0:23:07.399 all said and done for a long time, Billy Martin 0:23:07.520 --> 0:23:12.800 was sitting right there in that dugout, winning championships, winning 0:23:12.880 --> 0:23:17.240 the World Series. He won the difference three times. He 0:23:17.280 --> 0:23:21.120 gets into it with Jimmy. He lets his ego take over, 0:23:21.520 --> 0:23:24.800 and you know I'm being uh, I'm wrapping it up 0:23:24.800 --> 0:23:27.520 in a in a messy little little not here but 0:23:27.840 --> 0:23:30.600 over not accepting a drink, you know what I mean? 0:23:30.640 --> 0:23:33.440 That was? You know, that's like a trigger. These kind 0:23:33.480 --> 0:23:37.520 of things you do not let interrupt a dynasty. Billy 0:23:37.640 --> 0:23:43.200 Martin was left alone because Steinbrenner realized that Billy Martin 0:23:43.320 --> 0:23:50.080 was helping him create a dynasty Bob Craft. He fired 0:23:50.119 --> 0:23:52.879 Billy Martin, but Billy Martin was hired to fight. He 0:23:53.000 --> 0:23:55.840 finally fired Billy Martin after how long it took him 0:23:55.840 --> 0:23:59.600 a while? It took him a while to fire Billy Martin. Yeah, 0:23:59.640 --> 0:24:01.920 many world series before he finally did that. If I'm 0:24:01.920 --> 0:24:06.960