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Speaker 1: Second hour, Clay and Buck kicks off right now. The

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Speaker 1: Kamala campaign. Perhaps the should call it the Kamala charade.

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Speaker 1: The whole thing is a joke, a pretense, a falsehood,

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Speaker 1: want to speak to a presidential candidate in a press

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Speaker 1: conference or even have a sit down. We'll put Clay,

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Speaker 1: what is the point of a news organization if it

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Speaker 1: cannot and will not sit down with the nominee of

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Speaker 1: the party that they support, by the way, for president? Like,

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Speaker 1: what are you doing over at CNN? We'll get into that.

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Speaker 1: The whole thing strikes me as absurd, but we live

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Speaker 1: in an absurd political environment. Now. The other thing, though,

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Speaker 1: this is absurd Kamala's hiding from the public, But then

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Speaker 1: we also say I kind of understand why they're hiding her.

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Speaker 1: So it's a catch twenty two. It's a difficult place

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Speaker 1: to be in for this campaign, and I think it's

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Speaker 1: likely to start to unravel more and more. I meant

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Speaker 1: wrong clip. Here is the one that I had in mind.

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Speaker 1: Though Kamala was in Pennsylvania over the weekend yesterday, Clay

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Speaker 1: has said that is the key state, and it certainly is.

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Speaker 1: And here is what Kamala Harris when she's just talking

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Speaker 2: Our election is about understanding the importance of this beautiful

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Speaker 2: country of ours in terms of what we stand for

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Speaker 2: around the globe as a DeMont as a democracy. We

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Speaker 2: know there's a duality to the nature of democracy. On

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Speaker 2: the one hand, incredible strength when it is intact what

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Speaker 2: it does for its people to protect and defend their rights,

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Speaker 2: their liberty and their freedom. Incredibly strong and incredibly fragile.

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Speaker 1: As a democracy. I mean, it's tough. I'm just gonna

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Speaker 1: say it. Some of these things matter.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: One of the challenges Rfka Junior had Clay it's just

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Speaker 1: politics as well. It's no one's fault. It's the reality

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Speaker 1: Kamala Harris's voice for vocal register and also the kind

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Speaker 1: not come across well. It does not appeal to people. Basically,

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Speaker 1: she does not even have the political skills of a

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Speaker 4: She simultaneously. I think the two ways to think about

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Speaker 4: her are one, she always is talking like someone who

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Speaker 4: hasn't read the book that they're supposed to be talking about.

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Speaker 4: She hasn't done her homework. Second part of this is

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Speaker 4: she also has a drunk wine mom effect.

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Speaker 5: I like drunk wine moms.

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Speaker 4: There can be a lot of fun to hang out

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Speaker 4: I don't want a drunk wine mom to be in

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Speaker 4: to her, think to yourself when Kamala talks, does it

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Speaker 4: Then the other thing I'll say, Buck is I was

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Speaker 4: looking at the Washington Post poll numbers that came out

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Speaker 4: men are not voting for Kamala Harris. Democrats haven't won

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Speaker 4: men overall since nineteen sixty four. Kamala Harris is not

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Speaker 4: breaking that. That's a crazy stat Think about that men

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Speaker 4: This election really, to me, is going to come down

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Speaker 4: this campaign. He picked Jade Vance. I would suggest people

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Speaker 1: With the women vote. You're trying to limit the damage

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Speaker 1: it's the Midwestern, it's the Big Three. Now it's Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of what is left for them? Is it

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Speaker 1: just an economic calculation, the same way it is for

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Speaker 1: see what I mean? The messaging that would work for

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Speaker 4: Do you buy into me that Trump's gonna win men

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Speaker 4: then the election might well be decided by, to your point,

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Speaker 5: Again.

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Speaker 4: People always send me emails like I love Trump, I

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Speaker 5: To get him to change their mind.

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Speaker 5: That's how you change the perception.

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Speaker 4: If Tulci Gabbard, who I think is an incredible advocate,

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Speaker 4: I like Tulci Gabbert. She appeals to me. Same thing

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Speaker 4: Wears carhart, he coached football. They're trying to appeal to

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Speaker 4: Think about how much of a coup this is that

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Speaker 1: Well, this is also why Trump is going to win.

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Speaker 4: function that works all day and Joe Biden does not.

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Speaker 4: So I don't think Kamala would make good decisions, but

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Speaker 4: I think she's capable of making decisions all day long.

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Speaker 4: Where I really genuinely don't think Joe Biden is. I

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Speaker 4: think he's got mental and physical frailties that make his

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Speaker 4: cognition not work. The best thing they could actually do,

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Speaker 4: certainly for the Democrats and arguably for the country, would

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Speaker 4: be stepped down tonight.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 4: I don't think he'll do it, to your point, because

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Speaker 4: I think his ego is too strong. I think his

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Speaker 4: family is too committed. They don't want video like Nixon

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Speaker 4: style where he throws up the peace sign and flies

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Speaker 4: off in a helicopter from the lawn.

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Speaker 1: They already threw everything they had at him to get

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Speaker 1: him to step Do you know what what threats are

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Speaker 1: they gonna make now they already clipped his wings. He

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Speaker 1: doesn't really care at this pay.

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Speaker 4: But if he truly wanted to be George Washington, which

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Speaker 4: they're going to try to compare him to to now Cincinnatus,

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Speaker 4: for those of you out there that are really old school, yeah,

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Speaker 4: there you go.

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Speaker 1: The general who just wanted to be on the farm.

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Speaker 5: That's right, just wanted to go back and plow.

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Speaker 4: If they were actually going to make that argument, if

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Speaker 4: they got John Meacham and Michael Beschlos and all these

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Speaker 4: historians that talked about how Joe Biden was the modern

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Speaker 4: day FDR, this would actually be the way to elevate

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Speaker 4: himself to a different level. He's the president who voluntarily

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Speaker 4: gave up power for the betterment of the country. And

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Speaker 4: then if Kamala won, historically his residence would look better.

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Speaker 4: His ego is too much to do it, but I

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Speaker 4: do think it's worth just kind of putting in the

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Speaker 4: back of your mind, what big news story that would

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Speaker 4: help Kamala could come out of the DNC. To me,

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Speaker 4: this is the one that's the one coupdi gras major

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Speaker 4: genuflection at the altar of Kamala that makes her ascendancy

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Speaker 4: more likely that could occur. I don't think it's likely

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Speaker 4: to your point. I'd put it at twenty to one,

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Speaker 4: but I do think in the back of your mind

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Speaker 4: it's worth contemplating.

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Speaker 1: Now. Now there's another problem though with this, And there

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Speaker 1: I was watching Morning Joe was weak this Morning Clay. Honestly,

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Speaker 1: the propaganda not getting it done for me. I was

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Speaker 1: a little bit like I was a little wanted.

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Speaker 4: They were too they were too too honest, too too

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Speaker 4: good at what they were doing.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't even too it was just it was. It

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Speaker 1: was nothing. It was just kind of you know, d

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Speaker 1: N C rah rah DNC, like there was no I need.

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Speaker 1: I need like them to be truly mendacious. I need

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Speaker 1: Soviet style. That's usually what they give me. I turn

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Speaker 1: on Morning Joe looking for that Soviet style propaganda where

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Speaker 1: they tell me up is down and down is up,

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Speaker 1: And when they don't deliver, Mika, I get a little upset. Mika, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I get a little hissy about it. And the problem

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Speaker 1: I think they have with this narrative they're probably gonna

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Speaker 1: have on John Meacham, and they love to do on

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Speaker 1: that show, particularly on MSNBC, to bring on the presidential historian,

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Speaker 1: as if that's I don't I don't the presidential story.

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Speaker 1: I don't care, like so you you spent a lot

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Speaker 1: of time in the archives about some guy who's president

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Speaker 1: than two hundred years ago, and now I'm supposed to

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Speaker 1: be like, oh, well, whatever you say about the you know,

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Speaker 1: carried interest tax loophole, like it's ridiculous. But Biden clung

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Speaker 1: to power with all the ferocity of his bony old fingers. Okay,

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Speaker 1: and we all saw it over and over again. I'm

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Speaker 1: the nominee. I'm the nominee. That's nonsense. That's nonsense. George Washington,

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Speaker 1: George Washington, you know, made the decision to step down.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't like he was telling everybody vote for me,

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Speaker 1: I'm the only future of the country for months and

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Speaker 1: then he was like, psych, I'm stepping down. So I'm

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Speaker 1: just saying, yes, you're right. They will try this, But

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Speaker 1: on its face, this is a laughable narrative. Biden is

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Speaker 1: kicked off that they shoved him aside and it was

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Speaker 1: not a decision that he made any interest of anybody

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Speaker 1: other than the Biden families' finances going forward.

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Speaker 4: Also as somebody who majored in history, and there's a

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Speaker 4: different multiverse out there where I went and got a

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Speaker 4: PhD in history, and I'm sitting around in some university

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Speaker 4: still teaching history, like there is a world where that

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Speaker 4: could have happened. I love history, historians are not very

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Speaker 4: useful diagnosing real time issues and how they're going to

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Speaker 4: play in the historical context. And any of you out

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Speaker 4: there that love reading history, like Buck and I both,

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Speaker 4: do you recognize that people still argue sometimes for hundreds

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Speaker 4: even thousands of years over whether a general made a

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Speaker 4: right decision at a battle, over whether a leader made

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Speaker 4: the right choice, and even things that we now consider

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Speaker 4: to be completely decided are sometimes takes decades, fifty sixty

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Speaker 4: eighty years for that to be the case. Good good example,

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Speaker 4: most people now would say, yeah, FDR shouldn't have put

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Speaker 4: Japanese people in internment camps during World War Two.

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Speaker 1: I think everyone says that.

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Speaker 4: I don't think anyone wants to people say yeah, I

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Speaker 4: think there's very few. There's probably a few people out

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Speaker 4: there there like that was the wrongest move FDR ever

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Speaker 4: made in real time. Buck, a historian certainly would have

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Speaker 4: come out and said, this is in no way an

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Speaker 4: irrational move by FDR because, for instance, again history nerd here,

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Speaker 4: Abraham Lincoln suspended the writ of habeas corpus during the

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Speaker 4: Civil War. He could just throw anybody that he wanted

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Speaker 4: in prison without needing to bring them in front of

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Speaker 4: the front of the judge. And in retrospect, because Lincoln

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Speaker 4: won the Civil War, almost no one talks about that.

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Speaker 4: But I guarantee you that they had radio shows talking

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Speaker 4: about current events back in the day, they would have

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Speaker 4: brought on some Civil War historian and he would have said, well,

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Speaker 4: this is one hundred percent defensible by FDR, because look

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Speaker 4: at what Lincoln did rid of habeas corpus, wartime changes

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Speaker 4: the law, look my reality on it is. Oftentimes what

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Speaker 4: a historian would say is totally wrong when other historians

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Speaker 4: analyze the legacy of history and so these days could

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Speaker 4: be proper for current events is crazy. The big problem

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Speaker 4: for some of these historians is, I mean, what was

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Speaker 4: Lincoln's policy on trans bathroom usage? I mean, there's just

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Speaker 4: not enough of a you know, that's that's really what

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Speaker 4: the historians are today. They're like, I mean, would Abraham

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Speaker 4: Lincoln obviously have supported biological men competing in women's sports

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Speaker 4: in the Olympics.

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Speaker 1: We don't know what honesty would have said.

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Speaker 4: Would Abraham Lincoln even buck have been a man if

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Speaker 4: he were alive today, he might have decided to identify

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Speaker 4: as a woman in honesty.

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Speaker 1: Could have been the first woman president. I know, but

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Speaker 1: that that this is the stuff that history. Most historians

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Speaker 1: today spend their time on nonsense like this. I'll just

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Speaker 1: tell you they spend their time on what is a historiography?

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Speaker 1: And uh and uh. I'm trying to think of the

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Speaker 1: phrase that they used for.

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Speaker 4: When they historiography by itself is such a nerdy word.

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Speaker 4: I bet five percent of our audience knows that, but

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Speaker 4: anybody who studies history. I did my thesis on the

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Speaker 4: burning of Chambersburg, Pennsylvania, Buck, which was the only time

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Speaker 4: the Confederacy South burned down a Union a northern city,

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Speaker 4: and I analyzed the this is you want to talk

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Speaker 4: in Chambersburg, Pennsylvania and compared it with eighteen sixty four

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Speaker 4: more of a total war mindset, much like Sherman on

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Speaker 4: his March to the Sea, would that have potentially altered

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Speaker 4: the outcome of the eighteen sixty four presidential election. That

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Speaker 4: was my thesis.

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Speaker 5: So I'm a nerd on history.

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Speaker 1: That sounds pretty good. I actually would read it did nothing.

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Speaker 4: You know what I found? It would have changed the

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Speaker 5: He didn't do it.

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Speaker 4: Only city to ever be burned Chambersburg, Pennsylvania, by Will

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Speaker 4: clear that she disagreed with him on his stance on Israel.

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Speaker 4: I've never even seen this, but I do think it's

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Speaker 4: the meantime. Sonia in Spring Texas.

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Speaker 5: What you got for us?

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Speaker 3: Yes, I think got. Trump has to do two things

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Speaker 3: win over women. One of them is that he stops

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Speaker 3: putting people down and calling people stupids. I mean, he

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Speaker 3: justifies it because he's gone through the ringer with the

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Speaker 3: court cases, which I agree, but he needs to act

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Speaker 3: The other thing is women are very protective of their daughters,

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Speaker 3: and he has to really hammer the fact that trans

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Speaker 3: men are not only hurting women but in girls. But

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Speaker 3: they're also taking the opportunity away. Those two boxers that

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Speaker 3: won in the Olympics, they took the opportunity away from women.

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Speaker 2: I agree with that we have Trump that has a

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Speaker 2: great meaning and it's cultural prohesis.

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Speaker 4: Okay, there's Kamala telling us about hypothesis. By the way,

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Speaker 4: we had Trump on a couple of weeks ago to

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Speaker 4: talk specifically about that issue, because I do think it's

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Speaker 4: one that cuts through and is an eighty twenty or

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Speaker 4: with many women out there that recognize how unfair that is.

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Speaker 4: Maria in Terrytown, New York, what's up, Maria.

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Speaker 7: Hi, Buck and Clay. I want the world to know

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Speaker 7: that the reason all these people attend Trump's rallies is

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Speaker 7: because they genuinely want to hear him and be in

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Speaker 7: his present, and he understands us and he cares about

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Speaker 7: America versus in the Hair's case. I mean, she's pushing

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Speaker 7: all these new headliners like Chappelle, Rowan and who draw

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Speaker 7: in all these crowds. But they're like, Okay, you get

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Speaker 7: the picture of the crowds, but they're there for other

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Speaker 7: reasons too. Yes, and you just here in her arguments

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Speaker 7: there's no sustenance and basically, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 7: app how are you gonna pay for all your purposal?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I also it's worth though, I mean crowd size is

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Speaker 1: for the purpose. I mean, it's it's fun if you're

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Speaker 1: there and everything else. But I mean crowd size is

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Speaker 1: a waste of time as a proxy for which side

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Speaker 1: has more support or whatever. But obviously they don't want

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Speaker 1: Kamala to show up with a super small crowd, so

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Speaker 1: they will because that visual is damaging just a perception.

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Speaker 1: So I think that that's why you have these rock

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Speaker 1: concerts or not rock whatever they have concerts, whatever the

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Speaker 1: music is that go alongside with with with Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't know, I kind of clay kind

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Speaker 1: of do you want to go to Do you want

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Speaker 1: to go incognito to a Kamala Harris rally? The way

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Speaker 1: I don't think she's coming to Tennessee. We could wear

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Speaker 1: we could wear some N ninety five masks. We could

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Speaker 1: dye our hair purple, you know, I don't know, maybe

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Speaker 1: get like a.

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Speaker 4: Neck tattoo or something to be for not getting of

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Speaker 4: a sectomy to be willing to go, but