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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A bombshell in the courtroom.

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Speaker 1: A witness describing Seawan Combs aka Diddy, fully nude from

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Speaker 1: the neck down, disguising his face as a Muslim woman

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Speaker 1: at a freak cough with the male punisher escort this

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Speaker 1: as we hear about a federal raid on his Miami

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Speaker 1: mansion where.

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Speaker 2: Crates of baby oil.

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Speaker 1: Sex toys, ropes, and guns with serial numbers scraped off seized.

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Speaker 1: I'mancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. I want to thank

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Speaker 1: you for being with us.

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Speaker 3: He is obsessed. I'm in the biggest.

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Speaker 2: Tootsy roll, the size of a tutsy roll.

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Speaker 1: About that's ed b d d dy ed bdddy the

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Speaker 1: Tutsi roll.

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Speaker 2: Sean Combs is Tutsi roll.

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Speaker 1: We are live at the courthouse and joining us now

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Speaker 1: investigative reporter Laurenland, star of Pop Crime TV.

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Speaker 2: Lauren, thank you for being with us. A lot happening

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Speaker 2: in the courtroom today.

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Speaker 1: First of all, we kicked it off this morning with

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Speaker 1: direct examination of a special agent, Girard Gannon.

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Speaker 2: What happened this morning in court?

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Speaker 4: We finished the direct examination of special Agent Girard Gannon.

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Speaker 4: He's with the HSI and he finished showing us all

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Speaker 4: of the evidence that was collected during the Miami raid

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Speaker 4: of Sean Colins's house, and this is his house on

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Speaker 4: Two Star Island and what they seized from the house.

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Speaker 4: They seized two defaced AR fifteens, and these AR fifteens

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Speaker 4: they were separated. We saw the the lower barrels and

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Speaker 4: the upper barrels. The upper barrels were actually they were

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Speaker 4: wrapped in a towel and the lower barrels were in

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Speaker 4: a separate spot. And the magazines were not with the

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Speaker 4: lower barrels. However, the lower magazines were loaded, both of them.

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Speaker 1: You know, a lot is being made of the of

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Speaker 1: agents at the raid, and I find that very very disturbing.

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Speaker 1: Sidney Sumner, also joining US Crime Story's investigative reporter Sydney,

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Speaker 1: I understand there were dozens of federal agents at the raid,

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Speaker 1: So what what's the issue?

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Speaker 5: Well, Nancy agents went in feeling like they were going

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Speaker 5: to be confronted by armed guards. That's what they thought

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Speaker 5: they were walking into when they came into this house.

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Speaker 5: They specifically waited for Comes and his family to leave

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Speaker 5: before they entered to avoid any more confrontation. They only

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Speaker 5: found six people at the home, a music producer who

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Speaker 5: has not been named, a property manager, and a few

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Speaker 5: other staff members. But they put all of those people

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Speaker 5: ninety agents total just about and they had people sitting

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Speaker 5: out at the water to make sure nobody tried to

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Speaker 5: flee into the canal right behind his home. They had

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Speaker 5: to come into this in full force, and they were right.

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Speaker 5: They found a r's with several modifications scratched off serial numbers.

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Speaker 5: They knew they were possibly coming into a firefight and

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Speaker 5: prepared for it.

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Speaker 1: You are seeing shots now of the Miami mansion that

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Speaker 1: was rated. The Feds even have the backside that is

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Speaker 1: on the water completely surrounded.

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Speaker 2: You know what, Sidney Summer.

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Speaker 1: You and I've covered a lot of cases together when

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Speaker 1: we've gone on location and investigated a lot of cases.

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Speaker 1: You know what a gun it makes a big man

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Speaker 1: little and a little man big.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 2: Let's tell it like it is.

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Speaker 1: Chris mcgunn adjoining me former homicide to detective, A star

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Speaker 2: Chris mcdunna. You get an AR going, you get an

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Speaker 2: M sixteen going.

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Speaker 1: How many Feds could they shoot down in about thirty seconds.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot.

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Speaker 7: And that's why these operations. You know, you start out

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Speaker 7: with an OP plan and you discover those vulnerabilities and

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Speaker 7: relationship to officer safety.

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Speaker 3: You know, where do.

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Speaker 7: Officers need to be placed and are they safe in

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Speaker 7: those positions based on the potential threats that you could

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Speaker 1: They would be mowed down like an old gangster movie

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Speaker 1: where machine guns are used.

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Speaker 2: And you know, you got to hand it to the fans. McDonough.

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Speaker 1: They even had the backside cover that bordered on the

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Speaker 1: water because I could absolutely see some of Dde's cohorts

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Speaker 2: Make a getaway by water.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, And Nancy, I actually had a case where five

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Speaker 6: guys were mowed down within ten seconds from an automatic weapon.

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Speaker 7: It was an SKS.

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Speaker 1: You know when you just said that, that put a

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Speaker 1: chill down me because I've had friends that were gunned

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Speaker 1: down over nothing, cops LA law enforcement. So when I

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Speaker 1: hear them in court going on and on and on about.

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Speaker 2: How excessive it was.

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Speaker 1: At eighty agents surrounded this mansion.

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Speaker 2: They were armed to the hilt.

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Speaker 1: Sidney Sunders, Did I hear you say that the serial

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Speaker 1: numbers were scratched off some of the weapons.

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Speaker 5: Yes, both of those assault rifles, Nancy. The AR fifteen's,

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Speaker 5: these serial numbers were scratched through, so it's unclear exactly

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Speaker 5: how they were obtained. If Colme's bottom with the cereal,

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Speaker 5: I don't care.

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Speaker 2: I don't care.

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Speaker 1: If the Angel Gabriel came down from heaven and dropped

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Speaker 1: them in Diddy's lap. That is a serious, serious offense. McDonough,

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Speaker 1: jump in, this is critical. You know why serial numbers

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Speaker 1: are scraped off of weapons.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, Nancy, And this tells us maybe there's a wider

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Speaker 6: neck here.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 6: What the FEDS are going to do is throw it

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Speaker 6: into the system called NIVEN, which is the National Ballistic

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Speaker 6: Information Network, and they're going to see if these weapons

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Speaker 6: are tied into any other crimes anywhere in the country.

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Speaker 2: Put him up.

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Speaker 1: You think a bad guy is going to go to

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Speaker 1: the gun and knife show down at the mall and

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Speaker 1: buy a gun Hlno, they get weapons like Ar's basically

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Speaker 1: machine guns on the black market. Why is a serial

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Speaker 1: number scraped off because that gun could be connected to

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Speaker 1: another serious crime. I want to see McDonough. McDonough, you

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Speaker 1: need to get real on this. You think they've ever

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Speaker 1: found the gun that killed Tupac Shakur or guns that

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Speaker 1: are related to many many other ag assault shootings and murders.

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Speaker 2: No, they've never been recovered.

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Speaker 1: And if they were recovered, unless you do a ballistics test,

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Speaker 1: you don't know if it's the murder weapon or the

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Speaker 1: assault weapon. Why, because criminals scrape off the serial numbers.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't get this.

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Speaker 7: No, you're one hundred percent right, Nancy.

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Speaker 3: And here's the other question.

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Speaker 1: I heard that I nearly did a backflip. A backflip,

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Speaker 1: because that's what that means. When you scratch off the

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Speaker 2: I mean, think about it like this.

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Speaker 1: We see movies all the time where criminals go and

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Speaker 1: their their fingerprints change by scraping the skin off nearly impossible.

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Speaker 1: They'll do anything to hide evidence of a violent crime.

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Speaker 1: And that is what scraping the serial number off a

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Speaker 1: gun means. When I heard that, I forgot, I forgot

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Speaker 1: all about the baby oil and the TUTSI roll because

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Speaker 1: that means.

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Speaker 2: To me these guns were illegal.

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Speaker 1: Now I got to figure out why crimes, if any, were.

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Speaker 2: They connected too.

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Speaker 1: I can't stress enough, how serious it is that he

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Speaker 2: Serious weapons.

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Speaker 1: I don't mean Grandma's daisy rifle in the back of

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Speaker 1: kind of weapon, nasty weapons. And why were those serial

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Speaker 2: No good reason?

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Speaker 1: Straight back to Lauren Colin other In addition to all

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Speaker 1: the weapons, I mean a lot of weapons. What can

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Speaker 1: you tell me about women's shoes with seven inch platform heels?

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Speaker 4: And it was pretty wild to see a special agent

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Speaker 4: we saw a fourth cell phone in a separate room.

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Speaker 2: We saw a.

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Speaker 4: Gucci bag that was filled with a rolled up one

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Speaker 4: And oh, we also saw xanax. Drugs were tested for xanax.

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Speaker 4: There also was a wooden box in the bathroom they

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Speaker 4: found and on top of that wooden box was a

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Speaker 4: gold inscription that said Puffy. There were mushroom pills in that,

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Speaker 1: You know, Sidney Sumner, that reminds me of one of

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Speaker 1: the first times we heard about a male escort.

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Speaker 2: And look, I'm not the church lady. I don't care

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Speaker 1: The point is bringing in prostitutes, bringing in sex workers

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Speaker 1: across state lines is the federal offense, and that is

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Speaker 1: one of the charges in the indictment. That's why I care,

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Speaker 1: And because more than one woman claims they were drugged

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Speaker 2: With painting their vagina and their rear.

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Speaker 1: Ends having been exposed to or participating in sex acts

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Speaker 1: why at the very beginning, Sidney Sumner, we heard that

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Speaker 1: around in eight inch platform heels. He has the women

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Speaker 5: That's completely correct, Nancy. And we heard a similar story

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Speaker 5: and she's disguised. She's wearing some kind of lingerie, a

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Speaker 5: it doesn't make sense the defensive theory that they're saying

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Speaker 5: that this is all just private sex matter for Sean

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Speaker 5: Diddy Combs. There is no reason to own half of

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Speaker 5: the Spencer Store and just keep that in your home.

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Speaker 5: If that's purely for personal use where there's not more

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Speaker 5: than one person involved, you're not having opious amounts of

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Speaker 1: Well, that's what we think, Sydney, but that's not what

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Speaker 1: the defense is going to argue that Sean Combs things.

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Speaker 1: Their theory is Their argument is that all of this

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Speaker 1: was consensual, and I guess all of these women are lying,

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Speaker 1: and Shawn Combs is the Okay, there's great a baby,

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Speaker 2: And that all the women are lying and Sean Combs

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Speaker 2: is the only one telling the truth.

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Speaker 1: Now hold on, We've heard this week about a Louis

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Speaker 1: Vuitton bag, a huge Louis stuffed full of horse trunk, ecstasy, cocaine,

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Speaker 1: pink cocaine, plan Be birth control pills, and of course

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Speaker 1: high powered viagra.

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Speaker 2: Diddy needs his viagra.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna have to go to our shrink in

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Speaker 1: Joining me Scott Johnson, Forensics Psychologists, thirty three years addressing

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Speaker 1: sex Predators Forensicconsultation dot org.

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Speaker 2: It's where you can find him, author.

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Speaker 1: Of Physical Abusers and Sex Offenders. When I Love You

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Speaker 1: Turns Violent. That's another book. Scott Johnson, thank you for

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Speaker 1: And if you drop it in one of these ladies' drinks,

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Speaker 2: Have on her. Lauren Collin in front to the courthouse

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Speaker 1: This morning, we are live at the courthouse bringing you

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Speaker 1: the latest and the federal government versus Sean Combs, a

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Speaker 1: Tutsi role reveal?

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Speaker 2: Oh no, did he's really angry this time?

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Speaker 1: Oh so he's mad about his Tutsi rol everybody finding

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Speaker 2: He is mad about? What is he mad about? Throngs

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Speaker 2: of people not coming to the courthouse.

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Speaker 1: Ever since I started investigating Seawan Combs, all I've thought

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Speaker 2: You know what. I can barely open this Tutsi roll, Midgie.

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Speaker 2: You know suddenly I've lost my appetite. Shawn comes, and

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Speaker 1: Episode one Free Cough, as it is ephemistically called, some

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Speaker 1: people call it sex trafficking, that Shawn comes actually dressed

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Speaker 2: Quite the dichotomy. He was entirely nude. Listen.

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Speaker 9: nineteen ninety five. He has thought he was booked for

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Speaker 1: Straight out to Lauren Colin standing by at the courthouse,

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Speaker 4: We heard the testimony of Sharay Hayes aka the Punisher,

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Speaker 4: few times when she was being directed by Ditty during

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Speaker 4: things that the other escort mentioned on the stand. Daniel Phillip,

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Speaker 1: Okay, Now, as much as we want to laugh about

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Speaker 1: But the significance of what Lauren Colin just reported is

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Speaker 1: corroborates what other sex workers say, and transporting sex workers

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Speaker 1: from out of state into this jurisdiction for free coughs

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Speaker 1: What more did the punisher say, Lauren Colin?

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Speaker 4: He also mentioned that he experienced a rectile dysfunction as.

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Speaker 4: Was experiencing it before did he and Cassie. Whereas Daniel

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Speaker 4: Now the punisher or Hayes, also wrote a book about

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Speaker 4: a reptile dysfunction, and there was a moment in court

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Speaker 1: Meet Crime Stories with Nancy Greece straight out to that

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Speaker 1: one trial lawyer joining us Eric Fattus, trial lawyer or

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Speaker 1: TV legal analyst, founding partner of Varner Fattus, elite legal

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Speaker 1: former prosecutor Eric Fattus. How are you going to get

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Speaker 1: that mental image out of the juror's minds? Because if

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Speaker 2: But just hold this thought.

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Speaker 1: Fattest Shawn comes having a sex worker, a male sex worker,

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Speaker 1: the punisher flown in from out of state.

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Speaker 2: When he comes to the door, there's Shawn Comes wearing

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Speaker 1: To hear and nothing from here down and then sitting

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Speaker 1: how to do his business. Hey, are you going to

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Speaker 2: Fattest Nancy A.

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Speaker 10: Jarring image, not something you would ever want to highlight

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Speaker 1: Did you say the people actually still say that that word? Well,

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Speaker 1: I thought the whole point of that is that the

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Speaker 2: It sounds like you might know more about it than me.

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Speaker 10: I'm not sure, but but but what it sounds like

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Speaker 10: in this testimony, In this testimony, you know, they're talking

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Speaker 1: And his testimony from Okay, that's the best thing you've

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Speaker 2: Listen to this.

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Speaker 11: Hayes testifies he did not recognize the couple during their

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Speaker 11: twelve freak offs between twenty twelve and twenty sixteen. Hayes

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's neither here nor there. This is not

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Speaker 1: Rob Shooter, longtime p R guru two Puffy aka Diddy

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Speaker 1: aka Shawn Combs doesn't work for me anymore. He is

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Speaker 1: the host of a hit podcast, Naughty but Nice. He's

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Speaker 1: that's at robshooter dot substack dot com, and he's the

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Speaker 1: author of a book Before Word Answer Rob Shooter. I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to keep count up. How many men has did

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Speaker 1: he given erectile dysfunction? I've already got I think three,

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Speaker 2: That I know of. I mean, say, and certainly.

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Speaker 3: It's it's hard to perform for did he apparently?

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Speaker 12: So we find out three three gentlemen have a rectile

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Speaker 12: dysfunction while being hired to have an erection. So that's

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Speaker 12: a problem. There, a job problem. However, I'm being flippant.

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Speaker 12: What I'm talking about here, Nancy, and I've been listening

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Speaker 12: When I worked with Puffy, although I thankfully never saw

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Speaker 12: I've been to restaurants with Puffy where he wore baseball cap,

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Speaker 1: Are you actually equating Diddy disguising himself as a female

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Speaker 1: and then completely.

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Speaker 2: Nude from the neck down. That's something I do not

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Speaker 1: I've already had to think about this. The Tritsi roll midgie,

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Speaker 1: Now I got to think about that.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, it's not a good look, Nancy. However, the point

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Speaker 12: he's also very slippery. When Puffy does not want to

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Speaker 12: be noticed, he isn't He lived in New York City

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Speaker 1: You think completely nude from the chin down and wearing

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Speaker 2: I mean that would make me look right at him.

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Speaker 12: Well, you can't see his face. And that's the point here,

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Speaker 3: Person is in the room.

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Speaker 12: Although I think I have a little insight into that.

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Speaker 12: He was a huge fan of Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson

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Speaker 12: used to wear burke as when he wanted to go

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Speaker 12: out and not be recognized.

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Speaker 3: So maybe that's the connection there.

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Speaker 12: But the point I'm trying to make is did he

447
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Speaker 12: knows how to disguise himself? And if this escort hadn't

448
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Speaker 12: seen did He's welcome message on the television, he might

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Speaker 12: still not know who he was performing for.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so Rob Sheeter, you mentioned that did he like

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Speaker 1: to dress up, what kind of costumes, what kind of disguises.

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Speaker 12: I've seen dark sunglasses, I've seen fake beards, I've seen

453
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Speaker 12: fake mustaches, I've seen scarves, I've seen masks long before

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Speaker 12: COVID was a thing. And so he does know how

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Speaker 12: to dress down. He's not always did he He's not

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Speaker 12: always the center of attention. I've been in restaurants with

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Speaker 12: him where he slipped in and out. I've been on

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Speaker 12: aeroplanes with him where he slipped on and out. So

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Speaker 12: this is a guy who knows how to go under

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Speaker 12: cover when he wants to. He's not used to being

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Speaker 12: told no.

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Speaker 2: Shaun Kombs controlled every part.

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Speaker 3: Of her mind is a heat control for eachment.

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Speaker 5: He is a vile, greedy abuser.

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Speaker 12: He is running the show, and this is the show

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Speaker 12: he thinks is going.

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Speaker 3: To get him.

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Speaker 1: He may be vile, he may be controlling, he may

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Speaker 1: be an abuser.

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Speaker 2: But is he.

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Speaker 1: Guilty of all the counts or any of the counts

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Speaker 1: in this federal indictment? So far, according to my legal analysis,

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Speaker 1: the charges of sex trafficking have been shown by not

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Speaker 1: only Cassi Venturra, but another female witness as well. Transportation

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Speaker 1: of male sex workers across state lines to engage in prostitution. Yes, now,

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Speaker 1: racketeering is going to have to be explained to the jury.

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Speaker 2: Racketeering.

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Speaker 1: Just think about Tony Soprano, right, didn't anybody see Sopranos

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Speaker 1: on each It went for years and years and years.

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Speaker 1: It is a loose confederation of people that engage altogether.

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Speaker 2: To achieve a criminal act.

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Speaker 1: In this criminal conspiracy, the act would be sex trafficking,

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Speaker 1: bringing people in from various states to perform prostitution or

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Speaker 1: and to force women to engage in free coffs against

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Speaker 1: their wills.

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Speaker 2: Bam easy. Now.

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Speaker 1: Earlier, Eric Fattis God bless him was stating that the

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Speaker 1: free coffs were all consensual. But my question is what

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Speaker 1: woman in her right mind would consent to have sex

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Speaker 1: with not just a male escort, A lot of people

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Speaker 1: do that, but a convicted killer slash male escort.

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Speaker 2: Listen.

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Speaker 1: Her series, Jigglos took over Vegas and the formula because

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Speaker 1: in Vegas these guys were stars.

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Speaker 10: Jigglos was fun, it was sexy, it was glamorous.

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Speaker 2: It was Vegas on steroids. They owned the town. They

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Speaker 2: were traded like rock stars. Here's guys heres. We always

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Speaker 2: thought one of them would do something stupid.

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Speaker 9: We never thought one of them would be a murderer.

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Speaker 9: At least two of the male escorts. Cassie identified worf

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Speaker 9: It on the Showtime reality series Jigglows. What is also

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Speaker 9: a convicted murderer Okshaya Kubiak, who uses the name ash

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Speaker 9: armand beat her lean Doulai to death. Kubiak claimed he

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Speaker 9: blacked out after taking mushrooms with Duly, one of Kubiak's clients,

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Speaker 9: and when he woke up the next morning, she was

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Speaker 9: brutally beaten to death.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna found it in pain because it lived in pain.

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Speaker 2: We took mushrooms together last night.

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Speaker 5: They were to struggle in concerts or breeding.

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Speaker 1: We have the melody Dane right now.

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Speaker 10: Tossters and medical personnel arrived on scene and that female

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Speaker 10: was pronounced deceased.

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Speaker 2: This was one of the worst meetings of a person

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Speaker 2: of a human that I've seen.

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Speaker 1: The sole situation is what horror movies are made of.

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Speaker 2: On the morning of the murder, they didn't call nine

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Speaker 2: one one first. They actually called another Jiggle.

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Speaker 1: Laugh that from Paramounts Sin City Jigglow. They find the

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Speaker 1: dead body and they don't call nine one one they

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Speaker 1: actually call another Jigglow. Okay, you know to Rachel Fisher

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Speaker 1: joining us a special guest joining Us. Rachel is an

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Speaker 1: anti trafficking expert featured in the twenty two documentary.

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Speaker 2: Surviving Sex Trafficking.

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Speaker 1: She is a forensic nurse, a sex assault nurse examiner,

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Speaker 1: an expert witness, and she is at Legal Art Inc.

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Speaker 2: Consult dot Org. Rachel, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: It's one thing to talk about Diddy dressed up in

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Speaker 1: a Muslim female burka from the neck up. It's another

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Speaker 1: thing to talk about this male escorts. Moniker is the punisher,

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Speaker 1: but it's another thing to force a woman that would

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Speaker 1: be Cassie Ventura into sex with not just a Jiglo,

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Speaker 1: but a convicted killer Jigglow.

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Speaker 13: That's the danger of forcing somebody to be involved in

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Speaker 13: a commercial sex act.

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Speaker 2: Whether you're the recipient.

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Speaker 13: Or you're the one performing it and getting paid for it,

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Speaker 13: that's still a commercial sex act that she was being

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Speaker 13: coerce and forced into. And you never know who's on

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Speaker 13: the other end of the call when you click that

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Speaker 13: ad online to order an escort, because you can get

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Speaker 13: one faster than you can get a pizza. In most places,

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Speaker 13: and whoever shows up, you don't know their background. It's

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Speaker 13: a very dangerous career to be in the sex industry,

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Speaker 13: and many of the people that are there are not

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Speaker 13: there willingly, and some are, but you never know what

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Speaker 13: their story is on the other side and what they're

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Speaker 13: going to come with. That's why we have so many

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Speaker 13: that are murdered when they're in the sex industry. Or

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Speaker 13: you get an in call where an escort comes to

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Speaker 13: you and you get murdered or robbed. It's a very

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Speaker 13: dangerous thing that you're forcing somebody to be a part of.

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Speaker 13: And whether he was there present for it or on

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Speaker 13: the phone on video in a different state across state lines,

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Speaker 13: he was still you know, causing all of that to

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Speaker 13: come to play. Whether somebody else was handling the finances,

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Speaker 13: somebody else was booking the ad, clicking the ad, responding

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Speaker 13: and chatting back and forth with the escorts that were coming.

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Speaker 13: There are multiple people involved, and so all of those

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Speaker 13: people become part of that scheme and you don't know,

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Speaker 13: you don't vet the person, you don't do a background

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Speaker 13: check on the escorts that you are bringing into your

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Speaker 13: home space. That's no longer safe because it's the fear

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Speaker 13: of the unknown. You don't know what you're going to

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Speaker 13: get until they show up.

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Speaker 2: And same thing for the escort.

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Speaker 13: They don't know what they're walking into.

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Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: You know, as Rob Shooter was saying earlier, let me

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Speaker 1: go to you, Rob Shooter, host of a hit podcast,

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Speaker 1: notughty but nice and author, Rob Shooter. When I think

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Speaker 1: about Cassie Ventira, who was so desperate to please Shawn Combs,

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Speaker 1: being put in this position over and over and over,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how anyone could we see the photos

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Speaker 1: of Cassie's beaten face, the scar that needed plastic surgery

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Speaker 1: over her head, the bruises along her back, her mom

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Speaker 1: took pictures of these.

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Speaker 2: Rob Shooter, having.

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Speaker 1: Worked with Seawn Combs for so long, did you ever.

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Speaker 2: See this side of him?

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Speaker 1: I find it really hard to believe that Cassie would

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Speaker 1: go along with having sex on camera with a convicted killer, Jiglow.

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Speaker 12: It's incomprehensible. It makes no sense whatsoever to me. Did

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Speaker 12: I see any of this?

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Speaker 5: No.

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Speaker 12: I knew he had a temper, I knew he was bossy,

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Speaker 12: I knew he liked to do things his ways. Had

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Speaker 12: this sort of attitude where he was above the law.

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Speaker 12: Rules did not apply to him. So if you take

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Speaker 12: that to its logical conclusion, we end up where we

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Speaker 12: are today. I'm not sure when the turning point was

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00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 12: in Puff's life, but clearly that there was one when

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00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 12: he felt that he was invincible, and that's when the

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Speaker 12: monster that was probably always there was unleashed.

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Speaker 1: A hole Louis Verton bag stuffed full of ecstasy, coke pie,

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Speaker 1: The women were drugged out of their gourds, pie on horse,

596
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: trying ecstasy, klonopin, and more.

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Speaker 2: I wonder what Idy Biddy did.

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Speaker 1: He is feeling and thinking right now in a courtroom

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Speaker 1: as a Homewwn Security special agent describes everything that was

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Speaker 1: found in his mansion that was rated, crates of baby oil,

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Speaker 1: asto glide.

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Speaker 2: That's not against the law.

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Speaker 1: What I care about are the federal counts in that

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Speaker 1: federal indictment. I guess I can put that down now,

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Speaker 1: sex trafficking, extortion, transporting sex workers across state lines to

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Speaker 1: engage in transportation, to engage in prostitution.

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Speaker 2: But to Eric Fadus, Eric.

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Speaker 1: Can we not spark just one moment and in simple

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Speaker 1: terms explain what Rico racketeering and a criminal organization means,

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Speaker 1: to make it simple, it's a group of people, even

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Speaker 1: if loosely joined together like gang members, that together advance

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Speaker 1: the criminal enterprise.

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Speaker 2: Would you agree with that? It's essentially correct.

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Speaker 10: There are a few other wrinkles. There has to be

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Speaker 10: at least two predicate offenses of racketeering within a ten

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Speaker 10: year period, they have to be related, and also the

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Speaker 10: criminal enterprise has to have an effect on interstate commerce,

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Speaker 10: and so there are some significant requirements here. It's a

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Speaker 10: tall order to prove this charge in federal court, and

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Speaker 10: the prosecution is kind of just dipping their toes in

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Speaker 10: this now, and I'll be to the see kind of

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Speaker 10: what direction they take it and what predicate offenses they

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Speaker 10: can expose, because you know, look, marijuana, simple assault, those

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Speaker 10: kind of things, while they might be unlawful in some jurisdictions,

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Speaker 10: they are not necessarily predicate offenses that would qualify as

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Speaker 10: racketeering activity to support a RICO charge. Those are things

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Speaker 10: like murder, kidnapping, obstruction, victim and witness intimidation fall into

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Speaker 10: that category as well.

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Speaker 1: Sex trafficking. Sex trafficking would be the underlying felony. Okay,

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Speaker 1: let me get right back down to what's happening in

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Speaker 1: the court room.

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Speaker 2: Take a listen to this.

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Speaker 14: Former assistant David James testifies that Combs was occasionally violent

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Speaker 14: with private shaff Jordan Atkinson. According to James, after an

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Speaker 14: altercation at his Alpine, New Jersey home, Combs instructed him

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Speaker 14: to file a police report, stating Atkinson was the aggressor

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Speaker 14: and hit him first. James, who witnessed the altercation, says

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Speaker 14: he simply drove around Alpine for roughly an hour before

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Speaker 14: returning and telling Combs it was filed. James says he

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Speaker 14: didn't want to comply with Combs's request because he did

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Speaker 14: not want to file a false report.

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Speaker 1: Sidney Sunmery joining me investigative reporter, Crime Stories. Sidney explained

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Speaker 1: to me, Am I getting this correct. The former assistant

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Speaker 1: David James described an incident where Seawan Comebs allegedly attacked

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Speaker 1: a female chef.

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Speaker 2: But then wanted James to go.

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Speaker 1: File a police report, stating it was the other way around,

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Speaker 1: but James didn't do it.

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Speaker 5: That's absolutely correct. James said that Combs and this chef

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Speaker 5: got into an altercation in Colmes. Immediately after it ended

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Speaker 5: came to James and asked him, look, let's go to

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Speaker 5: the cops. Let's file a police report, but make sure

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Speaker 5: it says that she attacked. She hit me first, she

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Speaker 5: was the aggressor. And James kind of did his okay, yeah,

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Speaker 5: I'll do that, and he got into a car and

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Speaker 5: just drove around for about an hour before returning home

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Speaker 5: and saying, yeah, filed it. It's in there. They'll contact

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Speaker 5: me if they need anything else from us. And the

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Speaker 5: whole time he never spoke to a police officer about

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Speaker 5: it because he didn't.

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Speaker 2: Want to be know what is proved about this Sydney.

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Speaker 1: This right here, here we have rob shooter Seawn Colmbs

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Speaker 1: beating the Steve out of Cassie venture. She's holding up

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Speaker 1: her thett left hand to fight him off, and they're

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Speaker 1: going to argue, according to Geragos, and of course this

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Speaker 1: could change, just like the defense in Scott Peterson changed

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Speaker 1: from a satanic cult took Lacey to burglars to I

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Speaker 1: mean it changed over time. So at one point giy

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Speaker 1: Ghost let it slip that the argument to defeat this

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Speaker 1: video is that Cassie ninety pound Cassie.

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Speaker 2: Is the aggressor here.

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Speaker 1: She's the one giving him the booty beating over text

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Speaker 1: from another woman. Okay, she's the aggressor. Same thing with

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Speaker 1: the chef. See what I'm saying. The connection. So apparently

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Speaker 1: that's his MO modus operandi method of operation. He attacks

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Speaker 1: the woman, according to evidence, then says she's the aggressor.

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Speaker 1: Did he ever take responsibility for anything, Rob Shooter?

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Speaker 12: He took responsibility when everything went well. When things were

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Speaker 12: going good, it was because of him. When things were

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Speaker 12: not going well, it was because of everybody else. But

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Speaker 12: this video here, Nancy, this is the case. To me,

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Speaker 12: This video changes everything. And there's some irony that a

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Speaker 12: man who has spent his whole life putting out images,

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Speaker 12: videos to make him into the star is is ultimately,

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Speaker 12: I believe, going to be brought down because of this video.

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Speaker 12: That is something that is going to be in the

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Speaker 12: jury's mind. And the excuses are just excuses, and I

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Speaker 12: think actually makes things worse for him that they're lame excuses.

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Speaker 1: Shawn Colmbs on trial in a federal courtroom to Rob

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Speaker 1: Shooter former PR guru Too, Shawn Combs, you just stated

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Speaker 1: that Cove spent an entire lifetime curating an image through

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Speaker 1: video and photos, Like what what image?

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Speaker 3: Let me give you examples of this.

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Speaker 12: There were images to make him look powerful, images to

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Speaker 12: make him look important, images to make him look literally

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Speaker 12: like a king. I got Diddy was People magazine Sexiest

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Speaker 12: Men Alive issue. He wanted the cover. He did not

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Speaker 12: get that, but he was in the issue and he

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Speaker 12: shot it as if he was a king. He asked

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Speaker 12: at the photoshoot if he could have a crown on

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Speaker 12: his head, if he could have a coat, a fur coat.

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Speaker 12: And he knew the power of images. I remember distinctly

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Speaker 12: he once said to me, Rob, the story doesn't matter.

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Speaker 12: The headline and the photograph is all anybody remembers. He

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Speaker 12: knew the power of media, he knew the power of video,

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Speaker 12: and he exploited it. And now it's going to bite

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Speaker 12: him in the bumber.

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Speaker 1: Sydney Sumner. Toward the end of the day, a shrink

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Speaker 1: was on the stand. What can you tell me about

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Speaker 1: doctor Don Hughes, Nancy.

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Speaker 5: We know that Don Hughes has testified for several important cases.

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Speaker 5: She was called at the stand for r. Kelly's case,

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Speaker 5: Keith Bernieri, that sex traficking case. She even testified in

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Speaker 5: Amber Depth and Amberhurd and Johnny Depp's trial and she

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Speaker 5: is a blind witness here. She is not privy to

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Speaker 5: the facts of the case. She hasn't spoken to Cassie Ventura.

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Speaker 5: She admitted on the stand she has seen a little

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Speaker 5: bit of news coverage about the case, but she is

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Speaker 5: not familiar with exactly what happened here, and she is

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Speaker 5: testifying to give the jury an insight into why Cassie's

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Speaker 5: seen in this relationship for so long.

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Speaker 1: We wait as justice and Foles in the courtroom, and

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Speaker 1: now we remember an American hero, police officer Demitris Johnson

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Speaker 1: thirty four, passed away in the line of duty. Lee's

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Speaker 1: behind wife turned widow Chosen and his two year old son,

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Speaker 1: American hero Demitrius Johnson.

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Speaker 2: Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend,