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Speaker 1: Ye. Welcome to Packers Unscripted. I am Mike Spoffer, joined

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Speaker 1: today by a very special guest, Aaron Nagler. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the show. Well, thanks for having me. I couldn't believe

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Speaker 1: I got in the door. It's pretty impressive. This is

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Speaker 1: a nice set up you guys got. Well, Aaron is

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Speaker 1: here for covering Packers training camp for the first couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks. We thought we'd take advantage of his visit

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Speaker 1: to get him on the show and talk a little

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Speaker 1: Packers football. Aaron, We're coming off of Family Night last

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Speaker 1: Friday night, kind of the big moment, you'd say, in

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Speaker 1: training camp before that first preseason game. A lot of

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Speaker 1: different standouts on both sides of the ball, But I

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Speaker 1: want to start on the offensive side. What caught your

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Speaker 1: eye on Family Night? Well, it's interesting. I know a

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Speaker 1: lot of headlines have been generated around the receivers, you know,

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Speaker 1: Trevor Davis, et cetera. But I'm gonna go with Dexter

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Speaker 1: Williams and I don't think he had an standing evening.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he had his ups and downs, but continually

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Speaker 1: through camp so far, and then particularly on Family Night,

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Speaker 1: you saw him in Blitz pick up. Really know his

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Speaker 1: assignments have them down. And you've been around a long

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Speaker 1: time watching Packers rookie backs come in and just be

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Speaker 1: completely overwhelmed when it comes to picking up the blitz, right,

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Speaker 1: I think it's really encouraging to see where he is

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Speaker 1: at this point. Yeah. Well, certainly nobody wanted Aaron Jones

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Speaker 1: and Jamal Williams to have to sit out the time

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Speaker 1: that they have with some minor injuries. But it's been

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Speaker 1: a heck of an opportunity for Dexter Williams, a sixth

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Speaker 1: round pick out of Notre Dame, coming into camp as

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Speaker 1: the number three running back, to not only get reps

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Speaker 1: with the number one offense, but just the sheer volume

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Speaker 1: of opportunity getting Yeah, and I mean this can be

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Speaker 1: really important for a young guy that the Packers they

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Speaker 1: drafted him for a reason, they want to find where

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Speaker 1: he fits in this offense. Even though you know Aaron

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Speaker 1: Jones when healthy is going to be the number one

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Speaker 1: guy here. But where do you see Dexter Williams perhaps

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Speaker 1: fitting into this mix. Well, he does seem to be

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Speaker 1: such a perfect scheme fit. A lot was talked about

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Speaker 1: after the draft about the zone scheme in his place

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Speaker 1: in it and his ability to stick his foot in

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Speaker 1: And you've seen that on the practice field. You've seen

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Speaker 1: It is interesting. Jamal Williams obviously has been out much

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Speaker 1: longer than Aaron Jones has. I do wonder if that

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Speaker 1: gives Dexter Williams a bit of an opportunity to maybe

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Speaker 1: become Obviously, I don't think he's going to be splitting

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Speaker 1: him a bit of a crease to wedge himself in

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Speaker 1: there to be the guy who's in the rotation. And

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Speaker 1: the longer Jamal is out, you never know what these injuries,

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Speaker 1: but the longer he's out, the more opportunities Dexter has

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Speaker 1: a guy who gets, you know, five six touches a game,

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Speaker 1: at least early on in the season. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: that's definitely a possibility, and we'll see how the rest

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Speaker 1: of this preseason goes. But with Jamal Williams out as

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Speaker 1: certainly think that Dexter Williams is going to get a

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Speaker 1: big opportunity in this opening preseason game against the Houston

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks of training camp. Elsewhere offensively, you mentioned,

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Speaker 1: obviously the receivers Trevor Davis and Jake Kumer. I thought,

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Speaker 1: simply continued continued what they've been doing all training camp

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Speaker 1: in terms of their bids to to make this team

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Speaker 1: and to get into the receiver rotation. The other thing

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Speaker 1: I thought that stood out, and I know Matt Lafleur's

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Speaker 1: is about how the officials were a little generous with

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Speaker 1: the with where they were spotting the ball and how

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Speaker 1: many yards they were giving the offense here and there.

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Speaker 1: But I thought in one of the move the ball

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Speaker 1: drills and in the two minute drive, I thought this

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Speaker 1: path Ker's offense, the ones with Aaron Rodgers at quarterback,

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Speaker 1: I thought they looked as smooth and efficient as they've

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Speaker 1: Rogers was spreading the ball around. It was Adams, then

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Speaker 1: was Geronimo Alison. That ball was going to four or

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Speaker 1: five different receivers within a given drive. That's exactly what

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Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur wants, right, Yeah, and the ability. It's funny

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Speaker 1: get the ball. And Davante Adams is open a lot.

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Speaker 1: But as camp has gone on, you've seen Aaron really

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Speaker 1: start to work with these other guys, really spreading it out,

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Speaker 1: like you said, and I do think I mean it's

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Speaker 1: funny because you've seen one guy we haven't talked about

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Speaker 1: in that mixes Uh Vitality, the fullback who has been

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Speaker 1: a legit receiving weapon. I mean, people traditionally don't think

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Speaker 1: of the fullback as a receiver, but he certainly has

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Speaker 1: been so far in camp in this offense. You talk

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Speaker 1: only is he going to spread it out to all

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Speaker 1: these different receivers, but he can play with personnel in

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Speaker 1: a way. Okay, you bring a fullback in you think

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Speaker 1: as a defensive coordinator. Okay, I got a counter with power,

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, we saw it the other day where

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Speaker 1: what you're looking for from your fullback. It's all over

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Speaker 1: starting to gel with the quarterback and that's exciting. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And I think for those who want to read more

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Speaker 1: our website right now about Vitality and everything that's been

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Speaker 1: first day of camp. As I think you know, right,

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Speaker 1: and that's what I was going to say. The very

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Speaker 1: sign that there's a place for a fullback in this offense.

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Speaker 1: Look at the very first play of eleven on eleven

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Speaker 1: just the fullback leaking out as like a checkdown guy.

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Speaker 1: That there is some of that, but there is also

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Speaker 1: the fullback running a wheel route or even running down

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Speaker 1: I mean wide open. Rogers hays something for a big game.

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Speaker 1: So that tells you, you know, the defense is so

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Speaker 1: worried about those other receiving options. If Aaron can get

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Speaker 1: you're not as a defensive back or a defensive coordinator.

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Speaker 1: It's just not You're the primary guy you're gonna be

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Speaker 1: then here comes vitality screaming wide open, and it's a

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Speaker 1: lot of possibilities. Yeah, well before we switch gears to

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Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball. When it comes to Family Night,

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Speaker 1: what caught your eye? You know, there were a number

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Speaker 1: of plays where you know, you always like to watch

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Speaker 1: his locker last week in regards to what he was

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Speaker 1: watch the young guys how they respond to being under

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Speaker 1: I thought a couple of guys too, In particular, Montravius

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Speaker 1: And there are so many instances where and some of

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Speaker 1: closing on the ball so quickly. You do think this

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Speaker 1: I have been talking about him a lot because he

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Speaker 1: does stand out on the practice field almost every day.

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Speaker 1: But it's time for Rashaan Gary to get more reps

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Speaker 1: he has nothing left to prove against those. I mean,

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Speaker 1: There are just moments where he is a complete mismatch

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Speaker 1: Obviously the other thing with regards to family and on

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Speaker 1: UH we saw Tony Brown with a pick six. He

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Speaker 1: jumps the sideline route, uh snags Deshaun Kaiser's pass and

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Speaker 1: to be consecutive on the roster. But Tony Brown and

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Speaker 1: dar Holman, these are two guys who could end up

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Speaker 1: playing some important roles on this defense going forward. You

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Speaker 1: So uh yeah, there's no question that Brian thought, Okay,

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Speaker 1: that has certainly borne out early on here in camp. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: no question about. Well we're out of time, Aaron, but

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Speaker 1: I want to say thanks for joining us on the

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Speaker 1: show today, filling in for West for uh for one morning,

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Speaker 1: and with that we will sign off on this edition

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Speaker 1: of Packers Unscript. Would be sure to follow all the

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Speaker 1: coverage of the team and of training camp on Packers

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Speaker 1: dot com on Twitter. You know where to find Aaron

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Speaker 1: Egler on Twitter, check it out TV dot com. I'm

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Speaker 1: at Mike Spofford at Packers for the team account. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for tuning in, everybody, We'll see you next time.